Judging The Battle.net Forum TvP Strategy... | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck?
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2022
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Poll not working for me but add protoss, can u add a poll for league?
holy sh*t you posted a link after so many months (maybe years)
Poll also not working here. Zerg btw
So most people dont even play
I'd like to complain about the poll not working. I'm obviously Terran.
27:13 disruptor hits for -12 protoss supply
27:20 disruptor hits for -12 terran supply
balanced! as all things should be.
lmao
lol, good one XD
But the enemy won't ever notice you killed your own units, so both hard hits demotivate him! 😤
3:09 It's so funny to me how Harstem is like, "Considering the map size, obviously 3 CC is a bad build and our Terran will go Factory instead." Like, when you're in Platinum League, you're WAY ahead of the game if you've memorized 1 build per race. I think our Terran is going to probably do the same build he's done in the last 30 games. XD
Edit: Oh my God, Hamster - that Live Trade Graph is SUCH a good idea, I love it!
If the units that I build every game get countered by the units that my opponent builds every game then I'm going to lose.
@@Jordan-Ramses That is the most perfect summary of Bronze-Plat I've ever read.
@@Jordan-Ramses Wow, well you completely miss understand terran. Maybe leave your dunning-kruger plat stupid mountain and learn the game?
Live trade graph really takes it to the perspective
Bro i make it from low gold to diamond 2 using only all in 12 pylon proxy robo vs terran and toss xD mostly losing vs zergs but have above i 90% wr vs others XDDDD low mmr is fun
Having yet to watch, the statement "Chrono boosting upgrades is definitely imbalanced" needs more love than it got in the first two minutes.
My favorite part is that, objectively, it holds water, it's absolutely insanely broken and not particularly fair...
Which is the entire reason why Protoss upgrades all take longer at all tiers than the Zerg and Terran counterparts.
Protoss needs 129/154/179 seconds; whereas Terran and Zerg take only 114/136/157 seconds.
Thus, it's not merely expected but compensated for that Protoss will use Chrono Boosts for upgrades, each of which remove only 10 seconds from that upgrade's time -- Protoss otherwise takes an entire minute longer than Terran and Zerg do in order to get from +0 to +3.
Hey hamster there's definitely been a large increase in the quality of editing in this iodis really love it !!!
Hamster lol
@@signalpathproductions harstem's editor is called hamster.
@@Andreas-mr6wc Awww makes sense v clever
@@signalpathproductions I dont think its even related, just a weird coincidence.
@@signalpathproductions you might've heard him in of the episodes of rank roulette
My man really built exactly one Siege tank and kept it at his 3rd the entire game.
and that toss was so afraid of that one tank like it was a tiger 2 lol
7:55 "You need to know when to leave the party before you need to help cleaning up"
LOL such a wise life advice from the captain!
That's how i selected my friend when i was a teenager. You wouldn't be one of mine.
@@quentinpotie1814 Meh, doesn't seem bad to me. When I forced myself to visit a party to not insult a friend, damn straight I couldn't possibly bring myself to stay till the very end, the fact that I even forced myself to only be the second or third person to leave was already a sign of angelic self sacrifice and outmost dedication to the friendships.
21:48 "you're a smart person with a brain"
it was at this moment, harstem regret everything.
The timing is impeccable as the Terran immediately proved him wrong.
i didnt realize the terran's name was "Amandus" and kept thinking harstem was randomly saying "Among us" during explanations
I thought it was sus.
27:14 the protoss at least tried with the disrupters :D
I love how that perfectly counters his argument on "you cant criticize me for not being able to control ghosts" when the other guy did pretty much the same or rushed with full energy templars into autoattacking the opponent until death
I can't believe that i was in platin at my best times
watching those games makes me realize how damn much i have to suck
Zerg players are bred to invade whilst being sacrificed for the swarm.
Protoss Players are taught from birth to be warriors and fight as one whilst their rebirth awaits them.
Terran players hide behind walls to avoid early confrontation and become marines after being convicted felons.
7:30 This was a really good trade until he started losing all of his units.
-- Harstem, 2022
It sounds funny but it's absolutely true😂
I'm about 9 mins, 40 seconds in... What also sticks out to me is that he said he was ahead in workers the whole time, yet the Protoss has been ahead in workers up to this point... Unless I'm mistaken, having an economic advantage for the first 10 mins of the match is pretty useful. He also claimed that no storms were used, yet there was a storm used at the 16:22 mark... You don't help your case when you lie about the details...
21:40... I was making a face watching the fight... look over and Harstem is making the same face
The small peptalk about how you can use the timer to countdown stem on marines is pure comedy gold 🧨
1:12 Kevin's smile when he said the race Amandus plays made my day. This is that type of detail which immediately cheers you up when you notice one of them.
Yup it's just like "haha, of course, another one of these..."
The IODIS submission are mostly Protoss while Harstem is commenting about how whiny Terrans are is peak comedy.
But memes tho
you know, maybe they actually do get mostly terran replays but he rejects them much more often
@@Ghruul I don't think so. I think that stats provided by Hamster is actually about those that submit complaints. Probably it is 2 things First is confirmation bias: Harstem believes that terrans are more whiny so his subconscious counting (if he ever counted this carefully he would have seen that this is not the case) goes to support this bias. Second is that he just says things that make the show no matter if they are correct
If you adjust that by viewerbase then zergs are the whiniest and protoss the least.
@@Ghruul these stats include ALL forms we received since I started on the channel in May of 2020 ^^
"My beloved tanks get crushed by zealots" - I guess he's saying this is why he didn't build more than one? Yet he continues with "Marines get evaporated by the archons", but these he keeps building 😄
26:20 lmao. Best editing ever
I dont play this game but this content is just max quality. Love it. Your is it imba series is easily my fav one.
Holy crap, Hamster killed it with this video.
Love the new trade graph! Great insight into when you can back out of a trade not just if it was won or lost. Awesome stuff!
Wonderful aditing as always Hamster, I love the sound effect when you add info or notes!
Running the numbers from the community poll and the IODIS complaint percentage given at 1:55, I am surprised to say that the most complaints seem to come from Zerg players (as long as you divide Random players equally between all 3 main races)
By ratio, Terran made up about 30.3% of the player base recognized in the poll, with their complain percentage being slightly under at 29.0%
Protoss accounted for 34.9% of the player base, while owning 36.6% of all complaints
Finally, Zerg made up 31.8% of the player base, and seem to have submitted 34.4% of all complaints, making Zerg the most complaining race in Harstem's (and Hamster's) channel
I will update this information every few days if the poll numbers seem to change. Love the videos and the editing guys, yall always make my dinner time a great time, much appreciated from Canada!
Tactic of the game: Maneuver into a self surround.
The editing and extra graphs, add a lot, it's freaking top quality.
I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE SURPRISED!
Ho ho ho. Oh...
@@hermeticinstrumentalist6804 imagine if he was a commander in like ancient age, he would move his army into a full surround getting it crushed by war elephants and stuff lol
@@alpha-cf2oi That visual is very easy to imagine, due to this gameplay being fresh in my mind.
Lol.
Huh, in den ersten 2 minuten ist mit direkt Hamsters neue Animation für die Einblendungen aufgefallen, sieht sehr geil aus! Weiter so :)
It will be really great and funny to do this kind of videos with player perspective and fog of war.
This replay is the equivalent of the Simpsons quote of "You gotta help us doc. We tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
I haven't been watching for some time, I'm back, the production quality surprises me. Good job
At the Big Surround Slaughter, the Disruptors didn’t even fire, which would have been even more of a massacre since splitting out of the surround was not happening. At least the Terrans died like brothers I guess.
This is accessible via the IODIS playlist on the channel page, Cap/Hamster, FYI o_o
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Only naughty bois check for that! ;o
so glad i found this series, just incredibly valuable
thanks a lot, a sub very well earned :)
I enjoy how your face cam lines up with the hud in game. Nice job 👌
"Amandus" translates into "one to be loved" from Latin.
that 'clean up into getting cleaned up' pun was s-tier. if he isnt scripting these beforehand thats honestly impressive how fast he is with all these jokes every video
thats not scripted
@@alpha-cf2oi is correct. He did an interview with someone, they asked. It's all on the fly xD
"Rammus: OK" I love it :D
Amandus has learned to drop. Pick up is a whole different skill
Great work with the torture stamp Hamster
I also have always found it weird that Terrans complain that it’s too hard to use ghosts while simultaneously complaining about Templar. It’s the same thing - you click the hotkey and click the army. Plus - Terran doesn’t have to research EMP, gets an upgrade to make it god like (EMP radius is exactly the same as storm before the upgrade), it does MORE damage than storm and instantly instead of over 3 seconds, and the auto attack and HP comparisons are laughable
Ye, toss to beat MMMM army neef Storm colosus and distuptors at one, micro them and do diferent tech trees, terran have to build academy and use 2 hotkkeys IMBALANCE
I think that is because they use one group for all main army (or F2) and then... having Ghosts makes steaming the marines harder (you need to TAB then steam!)... in case of Amadeus that could actually save some of those poor over-steamed the Marine junkies
On one hand, yes, it is quite funny, but on the other hand: storm has the capacity to kill units, and your using it primairly zgainst the squishy terran bio and small zerg forces (lings, hydras, and roaches), whereas EMP cannot kill anything under any circumstance, at best it can bring an archon down to 4 HP, and is only useful in that regard against protos, a race that can out tank terran before accounting for shields with most of there comparable units. Which isn't saying storm is IMAB or necessarily better than EMP, just that the 2 can't be compared as equivalents despite having a similar function at a surface level.
o7 Now, this is a complete shot in the dark, Cap'n, but regarding the balance-whine Terran thing, I'm pretty sure that the Terran race is simply a jack-of-all trades, since it is so well rounded-up. So, naturally, they would notice that both Zerg and Protoss have specific advantages in places and will end-up complaining in the long-run since the grass is greener on the other side. Just a viewpoint from someone who doesn't play SCII. PS: thanks for including that option in the poll!
love u harstem, thanks always for the amazing content, congrats on the 80k+ subs, 1 mil in no time
Something about seeing a balance complaint in platinum league really makes me want to play that strategy, I could use some points
Two base chargelot archon man. 44 worker and 9-10 gateway with prism. Go out at about 6-7 min. I shot my protoss up from plat 2 to D3 once just doing that nonsense for couple hours straight vs all races. :D it's really interesting how my least played race often seems easiest to play. I guess it's just that people at our shit leagues cannot deal with protoss. I rage myself against it with other two races.
@@Broformist i did something similar with zerg, bane bust or or 2 base muta in a few weeks to diamond, never playing zerg before hand..
Man these videos are so educational!!
That live trade counter at 7:14! That was awesome
Once I graduate with my Psychology degree from Harvard, the first job I’m applying to will be the Harstem Research Facility, specifically the branch for studying mental disabilities in Terran players
omg Hamster's editing is sooo good
I just love this series!
Sooner or later it always makes me laugh! =)
This time it really didn't take long!
"No one can expect me to build ghosts" xD
It's asking too much xD
As an ex-terran player my reasoning for ghosts being too hard is that I've seen some pro games of maru or cure playing vs zerg, then got excited to play ghosts myself, and got absolutely blasted by zerg players. Snipe is super hard and keeping them alive is even harder.
In my mind I turned off the option to build ghosts because they were too hard, so I never used them against protoss either, even though that literally makes 0 sense, since EMP is a lot easier than snipe.
Pro tip, if u didnt give up early u would be probably good in microing ghost by now
The production quality on IODIS has gone up I feel. Great work by the editor!
Complaining is just part of the package deal that comes with playing the most micro intensive race
Good hypothesis, but harstems observations do not seem to match the data. At the very least, terrans complain to him the least often, perhaps because he complains about terrans complaining so much.
Congrats on 80k!!!
Thank you Harstem for saying what I've been thinking for a long time. How can terrans whine about how hard ghosts are to use when they get rolled by toss at the same level using high templar? The only differences between them are that ghosts are tankier, faster, can't friendly fire and can turn invisible. The ghost is objectively much easier to use than a high templar.
People will then point out that you have to micro your marines or whatever but a) none of these people are microing their units well anyway and at least half of them would literally be better off a-moving, and b) if you carpet bomb a toss army with EMP before they can storm, you can actually just stim, a-move it and win like they always complain toss does.
Lmao the party analogy at 8:05 is one of your best ones yet!
28:14 I'm going to steal this burn for my own use in the future, that was straight fire.
Nice! I liked your cameo in the corner. (Protos)
You're a content MACHINE!
Thanks for the video!
It's always fun to see the Terran doing more damage to his own units than the opponent. Don't do (too much) drugs kids.
yeah its just like in reality a bit of drugs good, too much not lol
TBH, I just watch your videos for you and the amazing content you guys put out, I am mental incappable to play this game :).
From 21:32 to 21:42 I love Harstem facial expressions to the Terran massacre. I can picture the Terran player screaming like Artosis
17:20 that FACT got me offguard, i had to laugh so much! Hamster you are the man!
Hamster, the live trade graph was awesome.
Would have been nice to see for the drop when he killed the forges as well. I imagine it takes quite a while to make though
Another content drop from the captain, another good day.
IMHO (as a gold terran), the issue with ghost is that you have to manage marines with stim, sieging your siege units and use EMP which make a lot of things to do for a low level player and tend to be overwhelming. Ghost being higher priority than marines in the selection make it harder to control part of your army if you want to manage multiple groups, or you need to "panic stim" when you don't iniate the engagement.
Just using one single extra unit is a big advantage over using all of them. This guy didn't make mines, didn't make liberator and didn't make ghosts, just 1/3 would have made the game a lot easier.
@@henningbreede6428 I meant as a general thing for why low level terran say they don't use ghost cause they can't control them.
@@henningbreede6428 just even kiting back a single time instead of walking into full surround would have made the game easier lol
21:32 the face of every woman when i drop my pants the first time xD
wow! I wish I played against terrans like this.. ANY amount of emp and a couple widow mines and protoss loses everything instantly!
The "live trade graph" was awesome!
Harstem's expression and what is happening from 21:30 - 21:52 is fucking priceless. XD
this series is pure gold
Harstem describing terran players made me think of Artosis 😂
My immediate reaction to the complaint form is to think about the Platinum Terran who completely demolished me with some well-placed EMPs the other day. EMPing Archons is... argh.
28:19 "The devil is in the details, and... you will never meet the devil." LOL
At the 17 minute mark the terran is mining 700 minerals less per minute and 300 gas less per minute yet has 13 more workers then the protoss same base count always make sure to send workers who have mined out to the new bases!
Giving advice while roasting…..only harstem!
13:00 -40000 social credit
mad respect for hamsters editing in this episode! guess the weird guy talking all day long did well too :P
I find it interesting that if you compare the relative percentages of what race people play to the races played by players who submit IMBA complaints they are almost the same. The difference is probably due in some part to random players. Anyway I find it interesting because this would suggest that all 3 races submit IMBA requests equally. And you could reasonably then surmise that perhaps that means things are balanced.
that cleaning up at the party analogy was perfect
11:10 Hey, it worked for Mengsk.
"Well, you're a person. With a brain."
*immediately begins to doubt own statement*
I'm watching this IODIS episode, I'm 20 mins in and thinking "2 ghosts would be the doom of that Protoss"
Harstems face around 21:40 kills me
To be honest, if you stay til the end of the party you end up in some sort of after, or just find a way to keep partying. The cleaning part also is not to underestimate, you normally get offered free beers (or drugs too if you are into that kind of thing), and end up with the most fucked up people. Our boy here knows it all, I like him.
-from someone that always ends up cleaning the entire rave
Oh god. the look on your face at the 20 minute mark when Amandus just threw his army away was glorious.
Edit - and that was an entirely ground based Protoss army, with very few abilities to attack up. Where was the air transition?
I don't even play SC2 lol. But I still watch every video
What the hell guys, a live trade graph?! Hamster is just insanely good at his job!
14:26 Some kind of Au-THOR-ity...get it?
Solid like, captain
Ok, I have an idea. Basically, you do IIODIS, except you watch and review from the perspective of the winner, not the complainer.
18:00 Who also understood "electromagnetic pils" - an thought of a beer? ^^
My beloved tanks
12:37 Golden words: "Using drugs twice isn't going to make you twice as fast, its just make you feel worse"
21:33 That face should become a meme
as he loses the game he finally decides to break his vow to never build ghosts
1:49 Is that a chart of all IMBA complaints inbox or just the ones, that Harstem made videos about?
BGMwSS: Replace every unit in your army with a unit in the same tier and as similar tech wise as you can get.
E.g.
Zealots/Adepts
Carriers/Tempests
Voidrays/Pheonixes/Oracles?
Stalkers/Sentries
HT/DT
Disruptor/Collosi
Immortal/Archon?
Bonus: Prisim/Mothership (they're both transports... right?)
If you play terran:
Reapers/Ghosts
Marines/Marauders
Mines/Hellions/Helbats
Tanks/Thors (Inspired by this video)
Medivacs/Vikings
Battlecruisers/Liberators
27:14 I cant believe harmstem didn't react to that
can you make a playlist of the vids that ending with imba? thx
just curious what is actually imba
I would like to note that at 1:31 the protoss was ahead in workers.
I suggest a study with two groups of a significant amount of participants
One group will get assigned a race
The other will be able to choose freely at any point
Then over the course of half a month or two they will have to play a couple games a week while filling in a survey at the end of each week
Questions regarding fairness and race sentiment
Happiness and frustration
Then you will have a result that shows Whether race choice affects sentiment inherently or whether it is more likely to be a cultural thing
BGMwSS: one supply depot!