Yoshino B660 - World's FIRST Solid State Portable Power Station
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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Good video. Looking forward to seeing more solid state options on the market.
That is a beauty, our world is quickly changing !
Not ready for the big leagues. Doubling the solar and A/C charge rate would help immensely. LIPO4 has proven itself safe and reliable, so I’ll stick to those units until the solid state units mature more. Plus I’ll save some money.
Plus they cost less.
Whatever weight advantage solid state may have, it sure isn't being expressed in Yoshino's product line.
LiFePO batteries of similar Wh ratings weigh the same or *significantly* less, at approximately the same physical unit size. (Up to a whole kilo difference between an ECOFLOW 256Wh unit and Yoshino's 241Wh unit. -And at half the price point.)
Solid State may have some decent qualities yet to be exploited, but they're not here yet.
Glad to see the technology being given a shot, though.
Isn’t a solid state battery supposed to charge much faster than regular
Lithium ion battery?
Nice review! Found what I was looking for, noise when in use. Hopefully this will improve in future units. Looking for something to use in a small camper and 50db I think would be to loud for sleeping.
It has kinda of a 1950's early 1960's color and style to it. Very attractive... Jeff
I remember Prouse doing a safety test on some solid state cells!
Didn't end well! 🔥
Sodium iron is the safest! But it has a weird charge and discharge curve and it sits around 17.2 volts SOC which inverters don't like!
a power brick kills it every time
Looks interesting, hopefully it will last longer than my Pecron.
Which one did you have? I been thinking about getting one.
Thanks for the review. I do not believe that the 5521 barrel connector is made to handle 10A, 5A is about the most for 5521. I also wonder why they have NEMA 5-20R AC outlets.
Nice unit and review. Very lightweight. Is there a peak surge on unit? Didn’t see anything advertised
Would be nice to see the solid state battery destructively tested. Pretty high price for not much capacity, the only selling point is supposedly safer, which if it actually passes the test makes it worth the expense.
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Maybe not the definitive destruction test you envisioned but all I could find with a quick query.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors seems like an expected result, just don’t know if that is the same battery, maybe if the tested battery was compared to one from a tear down and confirmed to be the same. That being said I understand not wanting to destroy a nice piece of tech you have been gifted with or purchased yourself. Guess we will have to wait for a test from JerryRigEverything. He seems to really like tearing things up.
So..I have the Dabbsson semi solid state power station. What's the difference?
Having external AC power supply / charger vs. internal. I don't think I've ever had a power brick fail. Ever. For anything. In ~30 years. Maybe I'm just lucky. A much more common pro / con would be if it is internal you have to lug that weight around when you carry the power station. If external that is a choice. And for many uses (like camping) it would be unnecessary.
This is for early adopters who like to be on the cutting edge of technology. As a functioning unit, it's mediocre. As a glimpse of what's probably to come in the future, it's intriguing. As with almost any other kind of technology, I'd wait for the 3.0 version.
I would have thought the dc output would have been better than ac. Not sure what I'm missing. High voltage cells in the unit?
Yeah you'd think. But for whatever reason, my test setup almost always nets more usable capacity on the AC side. It's very consistent across nearly all of the units I've tested.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I get ya, I'm not questioning your test bed or ability, just a little strange to me. Thanks for the videos BTW
They use a dc to dc converter on the dc and it looks like it's less efficient than the ac side
@@clevernduruza8624 why dc to dc? Unless they have to down volt it
@@scotth9984DC voltage reduction or increment will always be necessary. Even USB loads demanding the same power might need different voltages. E.g a 20W load might be 2A, 10V or 1.67, 12V.
Alphaess vitapower..... From France....
I thought SS batteries were supposed to charge faster?
It's their small unit. It's capable of charging much faster. It's just capped to try and make you buy one of their extremely overpriced larger models.
Premium price for sub average performance. Solid business model, lol.
Based on this review, I see no tangible benefit to solid state battery and its premium price.
Ahhh... Yoshino might be a scam. My opinion. They say that they pack solid state batteries, but the weight, capacity, and specs are no better than a LiFePO4 power stations. In fact, the stats are extremely lackluster and unimpressive in general. And they charge a premium for those lack-luster specs. I am not convinced that these contain solid state cells and if they did they aren't any better than LiFePO4.
-Matt
I'd be extremely surprised if they aren't using SS cells - surely SOMEONE would have made a very public revelation of that fact...and I actually DID search before I accepted the invitation to review the unit, because I had the same concern. Came up with nothing. And they didn't just start shipping this product line super recently. They've been on the market since well into last year. In any case, I may have to see if I can non-destructively (or not) get into it and see for myself. I'll certainly report back if I find anything worth reporting.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors They are likely ether condensed matter (aka gel electrolyte) CATL cells, or generic LiFePO4. Or even worse, NMC.
Someone would have to tear the thing apart to get a charging profile for the BMS+cell pack with all the other power electronics out of the loop, read off cell IDs, and even potentially tear apart a cell (which can be rather dangerous to do which is why cell tear-downs are not done by enthusiast youtube reviewer channels. Only by actual chemists or actual battery EEs).
In anycase, nothing about the company makes any sense. Their web pages are static and don't seem to get updated, they are pairing bottom-of-barrel-cheap power electronics with supposedly high-end battery cells, unit weights don't imply a high power density. Very limited current caps. Nothing makes sense.
None of this points to the use of actual solid-state cells. It's probably marketing nonsense. And even if they were, the units are no better on any metric than LiFePO4 would be. Nobody should be wasting their money paying a premium for this brand.
-Matt
There is no way this is a Solid State Battery.
Very disappointing. Color and design are nice. Great if it had Anderson power pole and all port on the front. Also, a red light would be nice for those who do astronomy when powering their telescope. .
Oh nice idea on the red light! I just started dabbling in astrophotography. Got a 10" Dobs for visual and just using a Star Explorer GTI and mirrorless camera for photo
Just don't get the whole power brick thing. So easy to misplace a cable as opposed to a brick. Sending a power station away for a month or more is a really big downside. I actually prefer the brick one less component to go wrong on the inside. To each his own on that one. Unit is pricey and solar charging is ridiculous. Did they have to severally limit charging because it is solid state? Smarter people then me know that answer.
The limits are basically just low-balling the design. The cells themselves (no matter the chemistry) are not that severely limited. And I seriously doubt the battery cells are actually solid state in the first place.
Insofar as the AC brick goes... when power stations first came onto the market having an external brick was fairly common, but those bricks are annoying as heck once you've collected a few (I have at least a hundred in my pile now, over the years). Most people far, far prefer just plugging a standard computer AC cable directly into the unit. I got piles of those too, but at least computer power cables are all interchangeable.
There isn't really anything that can burn-up with an internal AC adapter. It is literally just a transformer, rectifier, and a capacitor. Like three parts. Ok, four if we include the internal safety fuse.
AC bricks are basically used in designs to avoid having to have UL AC testing done on the unit as a whole. The brick is purchased with all the certifications already done. Useful for quick-and-dirty designs but annoying otherwise.
-Matt
@@junkerzn7312 A brick would not deter me either way. However, not having reasonable solar input pretty much just makes the unit in the video a really super small battery that you can't even charge. I have several units as well but they have to be rechargeable to be truly useful. Thank you for the info. on the bricks good stuff!
Great review! Ugly powerstation.
HOBO Tech imitator, much?
I thought that was pretty funny though…
Sucks😅
its retro ugly !!