For the price point, they seem to deliver well. Keep in mind, the 3 year is graphene based and it appears to be holding well considering it's formulation. I use Gtechniq both CRYSTAL SERUM LIGHT and CRYSTAL SERUM ULTRA. My guess (and a guess it is) the CRYSTAL SERUM LIGHT would be comparable to the DIY 5 year while the DIY 8 year is in i's own category below the CRYSTAL SERUM ULTRA. What I and others would easily appreciate with the DIY line, is NO REQUIREMENT for certification to purchase and apply their products. The quality of the videos from this channel and the DIY DETAIL channel covers installation quite well; this opens up the product line to more operators and purchasers. There is something for GTECHNIQ to learn in marketing product as well. Well done KEAV.
Gtechniq I think would rather cater to the shops that pay them to be accredited and make their coatings feel more “professional”. I really wish they would make an all in one coating without having to add EXO to get all the hydrophobics.
Happy Birthday buddy! I was considering offering all of the DIY coatings to my customers but I’m having a hard time justifying the 3 year after this video. I know you have put it through the ringer but I want to be confident in the coatings we offer and I can only imagine the type of abuse some of my customers will put it through which is another big factor for me.
It’s doing well on my wife’s car, but it gets touched once a week and is garaged most of the time. No winter salts either. I thought it would do better than this though.
I had the DIY stack (8 year + 3 year) on my Tesla Model Y for 5 months now. It still performs very well but then again I park my car in the garage everyday. The installation is simple as it can get.
I'm glad you made this update! I too was having issues with the 3 year. A vehicle I coated with it 3 months ago came in yesterday for a maintenance wash and the whole coating was slow sheeting. Spoke to some friends of mine and they too have had issues with it degrading prematurely as well. The 8 year that I installed 7 months ago still looks like day 1 though!
8 year is doing well on my car as well after a year. Garaged mostly though and only washed once a week and rarely an opportunity for the coating to get clogged so a perfect case scenario for durability. Yvan does say after a decon leave in the sun for the day if it’s not working well. “The chemical decontamination process lightly scars the surface, the sun will close it back up again. Once you bring it in, do a quick DIY Detail Rinse Less Wash, use some DIY Detail Water Spot Remover, no agitation, dwell a few mins rinse, then check again” Now this did not help my 3 year, but it made the 5 and 8 to me even better than they were.
Has it been a year already, went so fast. Nice update video. I haven't gone the level of ceramic coatings yet, but it's good to know how these products hold up.
Thanks for the update Keav. The Gyeon Mohs coating I have on my car is nearing the end of its lifespan and I've ordered the DIY Detail five-year coating to replace the Mohs. It looks amazing.
How was Mohs? ive applied it few weeks ago on my car, wandering if you where satisfied? I am so far (amazing washing, great slickness, and my god the looks...) but i was wondering about durability, and maybe how did u unclog it (getting ready for winter..)
Thank You! Yeah the solo sprayer head works awesome on bottles, but just need to make sure you be careful because you can waste product pretty quick it puts out a good bit of flow.
I applied the 3 year to my truck about a couple weeks ago I hope it holds up . I noticed on the lower panel on the door it seems to sheet more then bead. I did purchase the ceramic gloss so hopefully that keeps it going.
Depending on the road grime it can lose the evading. Maintenance wash usually helps, but it’s only been a few weeks. Ceramic gloss will get the Hydrophobics back for sure.
I should have researched this coating before I bought it. That said, this will be my first coating experience ever, so I went with something not too expensive. Also, hoping the graphene will help with water spots, as this car is not in a garage. Thanks for you guys comments, they really help!!
The one 460LI I was using is basically not sold anywhere anymore. I bought a few extra when I found out they were being discontinued. They have a new one out called the 260LI which is good, but I prefer the older one. It is also very popular and either out of stock or on backorder at most places like Obsessed Garage.
Thanks for taking the time for these videos. Much appreciated. Quick question: Can you put either of these ceramics on top of glaze? I love the way glaze makes black vehicles pop. If ceramics can make the glaze last longer that would be awesome. Thanks
That 3-year is not performing as well as I expected given DIY quality and realistic expectations. However all the longer formula's compared well but key is the concentration of the ceramic levels, often longer equates to stronger resistance to chemicals and gloss second.
That is the main attribute to the 8 year is the chemical resistance. Everybody is saying the 5 year on their car is holding up real well. Mixed bag on the 3 year I’m sure the coating is still there just not at it’s optimum anymore.
@CarsWithKeav I have used the 8 year and 3 year besides using it as a stack, and they have been awesome. They should definitely send it to you too in order to compare and do your tests
I hear they are doing really well was going to try that next, but the next is C6 Hydro Lite which that kind of performance in a single application and they say is even glossier and more hydrophobic. Those nano diamonds helps with the water spot ting as well so the graphene isn’t needed.
Numbers is all marketing. Especially Americans you have to say on their somewhere how long it lasts or they won’t buy it. We are our own demise when it comes to that.
I must say the 5 and the 8 look ok, but the 3 year is hmm... i just bought it and kinda disappointed. But still i like their brand (the things that i can get here in the EU, not all of them mind you, over a year in looking for the decon towel and water spot remover..) UPDATE: ive got the towel and water spot remover - and contempalting the stack :)
I mean one year in length, but 3 years of abuse. I still thought the hydrophobics would hold up better though it’s still their, but the beading is gone for sure.
@@CarsWithKeav agreed. Although its been in a controlled environment and not seen the abrasion from road salt and sand and wind and sun. I would think in your environment and with all the washing keeping the coating from getting clogged it would last way longer.
@@jfarm_1311 I don’t think it has that abrasion resistance the other two coatings have. Agreed on the controlled environment which is why the next coating going on is going to get left outside a lot more. Not much road salt in the south so I couldn’t replicate that anyways or the sand.
It’s on my wife’s car at the moment and doing really well. I think it doesn’t have the chemical resistance the other two have with the constant washing I’m doing to the hood.
@@CarsWithKeav Not Yet, contemplating buying the 8 year and doing the stack on my daily, but man it's a little expensive here (Poland) but it's my birthday today so - u only live once.. :) And i love DIY and i trust them and i hope they won't betray my trust.
@@victoryensured7137 The stack is the way to go for sure. If you prep right it is going to last a long time and have that water spot resistance the 3 year is known for on top of the 8 year durability and dirt repellent feature.
Doesn't look that impressive for the 3 year. I know you do a ton of washes, and throw a LOT of car cleaning products at it, but that hood isn't being subjected to the sun, or other assorted cr@p out in the environment.
For sure UV light depends on the amount as some UV is actually good for the coating especially after a maintenance wash from what Yvan told me. “The chemical decontamination process lightly scars the surface, the sun will close it back up again.”
The over selling and marketing of coatings is one of the reasons I’ve stayed away from them. The stated timeframes are just ridiculous. There’s no chance the 8 year lasts anywhere near that long on anything but a show car. These ridiculous claims turn me off more than anything. The product hasn’t been out long and the company isn’t much older than that. So there is no real world history to back it up or any guarantee the company will even be around in 5 years. I just so sick of marketing and overhyping things. The worst part for me is that it works on the masses. I always top up after each wash so a coating didn’t seem necessary. I’m finally looking to do a coating, but with bit more realistic expectations. I’m going to treat it more as a longer term sealant/base coat for my topper so at least there’s something under if it failed. I won’t be using DIY, but a competitor who’s been a bit more realistic about expectations and is cheaper. Ive almost completely weened myself off the expensive boutique brands. As everything has gotten better it’s just a matter of finding the products that work just as well and are a good value.
You have a few points I agree with and I always respect others opinions as long as it is constructive and is not just a few words of hate. I do agree on the timeframes, but I can't really factually state they can't last that long as it has not been 8 years. I think 8 is possible with like you said for a well kept garaged car that is in the south (Show Car). I never go by the years really other than to decide which to use I know the 8 year which might not last 8 is going to be the more durable and of course more expensive due to the use of the more expensive chemical known as Silicon Nitride which is the more flexible type and is what keeps the coating from fracturing and failing over time. The more durable the coating the concentration of Silicon Nitride is going to be there which of course raises the price.
@@CarsWithKeav I definitely understand that different chemicals can cost more, but I have a feeling there is a massive profit margin in coatings. Seems that way with the chemical segment of this industry. The amount they charge for research, blending the chemicals, packaging and selling in some cases is crazy. Some brands just seem aimed at higher price points as their business model. When I find a much cheaper product or brand that works as well or better than an expensive one, which we are seeing more and more of these days, it kind of proves the point. I can’t blame these companies for charging it if people are willing to pay though. That’s where it’s on us as consumers to be more discerning. Luckily we have things like YT and forums these days so we can share our real world experiences and help each other weed through the good and bad products. This video is a great example of your experience with a product and people in the comments sharing their experiences with it too and we’re all better off for it. Keep up the good work. These video reviews definitely help a lot of people focus their spending to suit their needs.👍
@@seashackf1 I think the biggest thing is in todays market with constant evolving technologies you have to recoup your research costs much sooner as the time on market is probably much less than it used to be before you have to come out with version 2 or a whole other line to compete with everybody else. So much competition sometimes it’s better to charge more and rely more on that and less on volume. All about business models. If people will pay it then why not charge it. Also inflation is crazy as well on everything from bottles, spray heads, etc. some companies use crap spray heads and others spend more on food Tolco ones.
😂😂😂 POINTLESS! Sorry Dude, but this "Update" video is pointless! - Unless you have been pushing that Panle up an down the street @ about 45mph, daily for about 20-30min!🤦♂
Pointless to you, but not to me any many others. This lets us know chemical and contact resistance which is an important part of coating durability. Hope you find the video with the parameters you need if not time to install them and pickup a camera to show us all.
For the price point, they seem to deliver well. Keep in mind, the 3 year is graphene based and it appears to be holding well considering it's formulation. I use Gtechniq both CRYSTAL SERUM LIGHT and CRYSTAL SERUM ULTRA. My guess (and a guess it is) the CRYSTAL SERUM LIGHT would be comparable to the DIY 5 year while the DIY 8 year is in i's own category below the CRYSTAL SERUM ULTRA. What I and others would easily appreciate with the DIY line, is NO REQUIREMENT for certification to purchase and apply their products. The quality of the videos from this channel and the DIY DETAIL channel covers installation quite well; this opens up the product line to more operators and purchasers. There is something for GTECHNIQ to learn in marketing product as well.
Well done KEAV.
Gtechniq I think would rather cater to the shops that pay them to be accredited and make their coatings feel more “professional”. I really wish they would make an all in one coating without having to add EXO to get all the hydrophobics.
Thanks for the update!
You’re welcome
you had me at rinseless wash
I knew it would.
Happy Birthday buddy! I was considering offering all of the DIY coatings to my customers but I’m having a hard time justifying the 3 year after this video. I know you have put it through the ringer but I want to be confident in the coatings we offer and I can only imagine the type of abuse some of my customers will put it through which is another big factor for me.
It’s doing well on my wife’s car, but it gets touched once a week and is garaged most of the time. No winter salts either. I thought it would do better than this though.
Keav for the win!
I’m glad you enjoyed !
DIY is stout!
Especially that 8 year makes washing my car so easy. Beads like crazy.
Great update dude! Cool to see the impact a year of constant washing will do.
Thanks!
I had the DIY stack (8 year + 3 year) on my Tesla Model Y for 5 months now. It still performs very well but then again I park my car in the garage everyday. The installation is simple as it can get.
I have heard nothing but good things about the 8/3 stack.
That’s a lot of washes on that hood, thank you for doing the work .
You’re welcome
I'm glad you made this update! I too was having issues with the 3 year. A vehicle I coated with it 3 months ago came in yesterday for a maintenance wash and the whole coating was slow sheeting. Spoke to some friends of mine and they too have had issues with it degrading prematurely as well. The 8 year that I installed 7 months ago still looks like day 1 though!
8 year is doing well on my car as well after a year. Garaged mostly though and only washed once a week and rarely an opportunity for the coating to get clogged so a perfect case scenario for durability. Yvan does say after a decon leave in the sun for the day if it’s not working well. “The chemical decontamination process lightly scars the surface, the sun will close it back up again. Once you bring it in, do a quick DIY Detail Rinse Less Wash, use some DIY Detail Water Spot Remover, no agitation, dwell a few mins rinse, then check again” Now this did not help my 3 year, but it made the 5 and 8 to me even better than they were.
@CarsWithKeav Good to know! Thanks for that info Keav!!
Thank you for your test and update brother! Applying 5 year to my truck tomorrow.
Nice! Hope you enjoy it!
Has it been a year already, went so fast. Nice update video. I haven't gone the level of ceramic coatings yet, but it's good to know how these products hold up.
Time flies when your having fun.
You were at a loss of words for this video 🤣😂 Thank you for the update. I wonder how the stack is? Have a great week!
I hear the stack is good, but I’m not big on doing multiple coats so probably won’t test it. I’ll be trying the new c6 Hydro Lite next.
Thanks for the update Keav. The Gyeon Mohs coating I have on my car is nearing the end of its lifespan and I've ordered the DIY Detail five-year coating to replace the Mohs. It looks amazing.
It’s a great coating gave the bottle to a friend and it’s amazing on his Acura. The ease of install is icing in the cake as well.
How was Mohs? ive applied it few weeks ago on my car, wandering if you where satisfied? I am so far (amazing washing, great slickness, and my god the looks...) but i was wondering about durability, and maybe how did u unclog it (getting ready for winter..)
Happy Birthday! Interesting looking great! DIY Detail 💪 nice tip with the solo sprayer head! I didn’t know that would fit on my bottles. Ty.
Thank You! Yeah the solo sprayer head works awesome on bottles, but just need to make sure you be careful because you can waste product pretty quick it puts out a good bit of flow.
Currently out of stock on Amazon.
Happy birthday keav!
Thank You!
Got the 5 year on the wife's car but might have to apply c6
5 year is a great coating as well.
I applied the 3 year to my truck about a couple weeks ago I hope it holds up . I noticed on the lower panel on the door it seems to sheet more then bead. I did purchase the ceramic gloss so hopefully that keeps it going.
Depending on the road grime it can lose the evading. Maintenance wash usually helps, but it’s only been a few weeks. Ceramic gloss will get the Hydrophobics back for sure.
I should have researched this coating before I bought it. That said, this will be my first coating experience ever, so I went with something not too expensive. Also, hoping the graphene will help with water spots, as this car is not in a garage. Thanks for you guys comments, they really help!!
Were can i find that solo spray head ? I have searched online and cant find that particular one. Can you attach a link?
The one 460LI I was using is basically not sold anywhere anymore. I bought a few extra when I found out they were being discontinued. They have a new one out called the 260LI which is good, but I prefer the older one. It is also very popular and either out of stock or on backorder at most places like Obsessed Garage.
Thanks for taking the time for these videos. Much appreciated. Quick question: Can you put either of these ceramics on top of glaze? I love the way glaze makes black vehicles pop. If ceramics can make the glaze last longer that would be awesome. Thanks
Coating first as a base, glaze over it
Thanks for answering that question I have bo experience with glaze to answer that.
Nice!!!
Thx
Loving the videos man!!!
What’s the update on the Kranzle pressure washer video tho?!?!?!?
Was delivered yesterday. Hope to film the video this weekend. So maybe Thursday next week or the following Monday I’ll have it released.
That 3-year is not performing as well as I expected given DIY quality and realistic expectations. However all the longer formula's compared well but key is the concentration of the ceramic levels, often longer equates to stronger resistance to chemicals and gloss second.
That is the main attribute to the 8 year is the chemical resistance. Everybody is saying the 5 year on their car is holding up real well. Mixed bag on the 3 year I’m sure the coating is still there just not at it’s optimum anymore.
Wait! Wth kinda sorcery was that sprayer in the water spot remover
Just the top part of a solo sprayer. This one amzn.to/3ycehU1 They work really good great misting and battery lasts forever.
Internet Keav back at it again 🤣
You know it! 🤣
Great video....did you use the Adhesion Promoter Polish? Don't recall if you said it. Let me know. Not sure if it's required but curious.
No, at the time the APP polish was not even available or talked about. Just a decon wash, polish with gold standard and panel prep.
@@CarsWithKeav The 8 years seems great! Do you think it's worth to go with their Hydro Lite being it's double to the price?
@@talkingwithcars I don’t really, I wouldn’t have bought it if it wasn’t given to me. 8 year is on my show car and I’m not changing it.
What product are you using for tires and wheels? Wondering if it'll hold up to high pH
P&S brake buster 5 to 1
When will you be doing that for DIY Detail Rinseless v2?
Didn’t even know a V2 was coming out I’m not exactly the guy you send those samples to. 🤣
@CarsWithKeav I have used the 8 year and 3 year besides using it as a stack, and they have been awesome. They should definitely send it to you too in order to compare and do your tests
Any thoughts on the DIY stacks?
I hear they are doing really well was going to try that next, but the next is C6 Hydro Lite which that kind of performance in a single application and they say is even glossier and more hydrophobic. Those nano diamonds helps with the water spot ting as well so the graphene isn’t needed.
I feel like these coatings (as nice as they are to use) are severely overstated for durability.
Numbers is all marketing. Especially Americans you have to say on their somewhere how long it lasts or they won’t buy it. We are our own demise when it comes to that.
I must say the 5 and the 8 look ok, but the 3 year is hmm... i just bought it and kinda disappointed. But still i like their brand (the things that i can get here in the EU, not all of them mind you, over a year in looking for the decon towel and water spot remover..) UPDATE: ive got the towel and water spot remover - and contempalting the stack :)
I think we talked in another comment about doing the 8/3 stack. If you do that let us know how it goes for you.
Sad to see the 3 year barely make a year.
I mean one year in length, but 3 years of abuse. I still thought the hydrophobics would hold up better though it’s still their, but the beading is gone for sure.
@@CarsWithKeav agreed. Although its been in a controlled environment and not seen the abrasion from road salt and sand and wind and sun. I would think in your environment and with all the washing keeping the coating from getting clogged it would last way longer.
@@jfarm_1311 I don’t think it has that abrasion resistance the other two coatings have. Agreed on the controlled environment which is why the next coating going on is going to get left outside a lot more. Not much road salt in the south so I couldn’t replicate that anyways or the sand.
Regretting putting the 3 on my car.
It’s on my wife’s car at the moment and doing really well. I think it doesn’t have the chemical resistance the other two have with the constant washing I’m doing to the hood.
Yeah i just bought it and i regret it already...
@@victoryensured7137 Hopefully it works out though. Did you install it yet?
@@CarsWithKeav Not Yet, contemplating buying the 8 year and doing the stack on my daily, but man it's a little expensive here (Poland) but it's my birthday today so - u only live once.. :) And i love DIY and i trust them and i hope they won't betray my trust.
@@victoryensured7137 The stack is the way to go for sure. If you prep right it is going to last a long time and have that water spot resistance the 3 year is known for on top of the 8 year durability and dirt repellent feature.
Doesn't look that impressive for the 3 year. I know you do a ton of washes, and throw a LOT of car cleaning products at it, but that hood isn't being subjected to the sun, or other assorted cr@p out in the environment.
For sure UV light depends on the amount as some UV is actually good for the coating especially after a maintenance wash from what Yvan told me. “The chemical decontamination process lightly scars the surface, the sun will close it back up again.”
The over selling and marketing of coatings is one of the reasons I’ve stayed away from them. The stated timeframes are just ridiculous. There’s no chance the 8 year lasts anywhere near that long on anything but a show car. These ridiculous claims turn me off more than anything. The product hasn’t been out long and the company isn’t much older than that. So there is no real world history to back it up or any guarantee the company will even be around in 5 years. I just so sick of marketing and overhyping things. The worst part for me is that it works on the masses.
I always top up after each wash so a coating didn’t seem necessary. I’m finally looking to do a coating, but with bit more realistic expectations. I’m going to treat it more as a longer term sealant/base coat for my topper so at least there’s something under if it failed. I won’t be using DIY, but a competitor who’s been a bit more realistic about expectations and is cheaper. Ive almost completely weened myself off the expensive boutique brands. As everything has gotten better it’s just a matter of finding the products that work just as well and are a good value.
You have a few points I agree with and I always respect others opinions as long as it is constructive and is not just a few words of hate. I do agree on the timeframes, but I can't really factually state they can't last that long as it has not been 8 years. I think 8 is possible with like you said for a well kept garaged car that is in the south (Show Car). I never go by the years really other than to decide which to use I know the 8 year which might not last 8 is going to be the more durable and of course more expensive due to the use of the more expensive chemical known as Silicon Nitride which is the more flexible type and is what keeps the coating from fracturing and failing over time. The more durable the coating the concentration of Silicon Nitride is going to be there which of course raises the price.
@@CarsWithKeav I definitely understand that different chemicals can cost more, but I have a feeling there is a massive profit margin in coatings. Seems that way with the chemical segment of this industry. The amount they charge for research, blending the chemicals, packaging and selling in some cases is crazy. Some brands just seem aimed at higher price points as their business model. When I find a much cheaper product or brand that works as well or better than an expensive one, which we are seeing more and more of these days, it kind of proves the point.
I can’t blame these companies for charging it if people are willing to pay though. That’s where it’s on us as consumers to be more discerning. Luckily we have things like YT and forums these days so we can share our real world experiences and help each other weed through the good and bad products. This video is a great example of your experience with a product and people in the comments sharing their experiences with it too and we’re all better off for it. Keep up the good work. These video reviews definitely help a lot of people focus their spending to suit their needs.👍
@@seashackf1 I think the biggest thing is in todays market with constant evolving technologies you have to recoup your research costs much sooner as the time on market is probably much less than it used to be before you have to come out with version 2 or a whole other line to compete with everybody else. So much competition sometimes it’s better to charge more and rely more on that and less on volume. All about business models. If people will pay it then why not charge it. Also inflation is crazy as well on everything from bottles, spray heads, etc. some companies use crap spray heads and others spend more on food Tolco ones.
😂😂😂 POINTLESS! Sorry Dude, but this "Update" video is pointless! - Unless you have been pushing that Panle up an down the street @ about 45mph, daily for about 20-30min!🤦♂
Pointless to you, but not to me any many others. This lets us know chemical and contact resistance which is an important part of coating durability. Hope you find the video with the parameters you need if not time to install them and pickup a camera to show us all.
@@CarsWithKeav I found a lot of value in this video. Thank you for making it.