Am I the only one who loves the anount of detail he puts into the review and how fast he gets into it instead of talking way to much before like many other review channels
To avoid having binder pour out of tube, I store my tubes upright. That way, the paint collects down by the cap and the excess binder floats up to the top. Sometimes it's enough to just to set the tube upright on the table for a few minutes before squeezing out paint. BTW, How's the little princess doing?
I have to say that I had some Windsor and Newton artist grade that have had loads of binder pour out. Usually 37mls. I seem to go through Ultramarine, burnt sienna and burnt umber. It was the last tube of burnt umber I had that was like that. Thanks for good review.
@@redmoon8217 yep happens to every brand now and again. I had it happen to a QoR tube, almost 1/4 of the tube was pale yellow liquid ("aquasol") of course, the store refunded me.
Big tubes don't sell so fast, so they spend a long time on the store shelves. This happens with all brands. You could try to stir the paint with a needle while still in the tube. It helps a lot.
@@huyle2057 only if you know you're going to use that much. If you're just trying a brand, a colour, or just don't work big and fast, it's usually better to buy less. Watercoloutists don't tend to use that much paint.
I haven't bought any Jackson's own brand paints before, but i have bought other items. I have to say Jacksonsare one of the best retailers around, and have extremely helpful staff. Thoroughly recommend buying from them. PS you can get round the binder issue by shaking the tube well. I've had separation problems with W&N Professional, and Daniel Smith before and shaking the tube always does the trick.
That separation problem has actually nothing to do with the pigment/binder ratio in the tube but the way art stores display them, cap sides up. In the tubes stored that way for a long time , binder separates and then elevates up to the mouth and for some certain pigments like cobalts, PR7, PV15 with heavy particules, this is even more common. That's why shaking, stirring with a tooth pick or keeping them on their caps side down for a while usually works to get the binder remixes back to the paint. This happens for most of the paints regardless of the brand, including oils.
I tried out these as the price point is so good. I didn't get tubes but tried full pans and really struggled with them. I noticed cerulean blue, burnt umber and sap green were slightly chalky and yeah the Alizarin crimson wasn't accurate at all. As these are the base colours I use I couldn't really change to them. One thing though I did really like the yellow and reds.
I’ve had binder separation issues with just about every brand I’ve tried, including Daniel Smith, so it wouldn’t prevent me from getting these. I like my Sennelier paints as well. I might have to try these.
I recently set up an 18-color palette of Jackson's Artist Watercolor because I want to experiment with painting large. I brought the pigment labelling issues to their attention and they told me that they are going to redo and correct all of their labels. I'm pretty sure that Quinacridone Gold has PY150 (Nickel Azo Yellow) in it, for example. I also love their Permanent Alizarin Crimson Deep which uses PR206 (called Quinacridone Burnt Scarlet in the Daniel Smith line). It is super transparent and mixes well to create deeper shades of red for shadows.
I'd never seriously considered watercolours in pan form before discovering your channel and within two weeks I'd ordered a set of Jackson's 12 half-pans from the UK. I've never had so much fun!
I have set of Jackson's full pans and several half pans. I have only good things to say about them, though I wish they had a PY150, too. I have no doubt that a review of them would be quite favourable to the brand.
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this review. As a student I have to watch my budget and these colors look like they’re great if you need artist quality paints on a paupers budget.
I think an addendum/correction should be made after this video. I almost dismissed/rejected Jackson's because of it, but I have reevaluated my opinion since I wrote to Jackson's. Here is what I learned when I asked Jackson's about the binder issue. Some wise people have already figured this out and commented below. "Pigment/binder separation is something that we see across all watercolour brands and it is common with certain pigment more than others. It is due to the weight of the pigment particles and it does not affect the quality of the paint. Instead of pouring out the excess binder at the top, it is best to mix it within the tube with a metal wire to re-integrate the pigment with the binder. "
As a beginner I have a large number of JAS tubes and have been very happy with (apart from Cerulean Blue), but I am moving more to Daniel Smith and W&N replacements. I would still recommend JAS paints though as they’re a real improvement on student grade paints.
Hey Teoh, I was wondering, rather than it being Sennelier/Jackson's labellling things wrong, could it be that Jackson's chose the pigment and names and asked Sennelier to manufacture that for them, hence the discrepancy ?
Yes, the paints don't have to be exactly the same to be manufactured by Sennelier. The fact that the printing on the tube is the same is a pretty good indication, since if Jackson's used that mark for another brand of paint they'd be open to litigation. I find it odd that people think private label paints need to be identical. Since Jackson's is selling this at a lower price point, they'll choose the less expensive colors and Sennelier may make substitutions. Also, Sennelier seems to substitute PY154 and PY153 in both brands. Since PY153 is harder to get, it may depend on availability. I would trust the pigment listed on the tube is correct for each batch, rather than what's on the website. Binder separation has very little to do with brand in my experience, more to do with storage conditions and type of pigment.
Love your videos, I’ve only just come across them, thank you. I agree with the previous comments about Sennelier making this paint but it not being the same. The pigments listed are correct on the tubes and correspond to the Jacksons colour chart for their brand paint. Just because a company make something for someone else doesn’t mean it’s the same product packaged differently. I bought Jacksons paint first and was very disappointed with the lack of vibrancy from certain colours, especially the Magenta. I then bought Sennelier after seeing a friend using the Billy Showell flower set. They are gorgeous and some of the colours are called the same as the Jacksons paint but they are definitely not the same. Sennelier use honey, they spread beautifully and I adore using them. I’m thinking about offloading most of my Jacksons paint as I don’t enjoy them. When you compare pigments used, the Jacksons ones tend to use more single pigments in the set I bought, whereas Sennelier tend to have more than one pigment per colour which I guess is not so good for colour mixing, although I haven’t had any problems. I was quite surprised to see they’re made by Sennelier as the paints are so different from each other. You should try Sennelier tune paint, it’s very different from Jacksons.....although some tubes do separate like the Jacksons ones.
Hi Teoh another great video, I am a fan of the Jackson range of watercolours, and have also noticed the heavy use of binders in some colours. However the price I am more than happy with!
Agree, but could anyone please tell me how to assess the amount of binder in a tube? Some separation is bound to happen in even the best brands (?). Cheaper brands, like Cotman has dextrine in addition to gum arabic, and Sennelier/Jackson's and others have a speck of honey (hygroscopic) as well. The cheaper brand has less separation than the more expensive ones, but likely not as much pigment.
@@trondbirkeland8094 So glad you mentioned the honey as Sennelier is known for that and hadn't heard it mentioned...I think it has something to do with this weeping and the overall goopiness -- something Maimeri also suffers from with their honeyed recipe.
I enjoyed the review. I recently bought a 24-half pan set of Jackson's paints. In the empty spaces, I added Sennelier paints. I had the excess binder issue with two Sennelier colors, Turquoise Green and Quin Gold. In fact, I filled a half pan with gum arabic from a new tube of turquoise green.
I have had similar problems of too much gum Arabic in Winsor & Newton's gouache and Blockx watercolour - almost half the tubes were gum - this happens occasionally in oils also.
I love this brand and the sennelier brand. There is an issue with some pigment info between the jacksons website and the tubes, same with sennelier I think they keep switching formulas.
I always enjoy your swatching videos. If you had the colors I would really be interested in seeing swatches of these & the Sennelier side by side, especially the ones where the names & pigments are different. I would be interested in seeing you filling a pan with them too. I would like to see how much each one shrinks in the first fill, and maybe hear how many times it took you to fill one all the way. Thanks for the video!
I use Sennelier and have not had the binder problem. They do not crack when I fill the pans due to the honey. Their Aliz Crimson is the same PR206. Their Ultramarine deep is beautiful and a staple on my palette. May be the same situation as Cheap Joes and DaVinci.
Cerulean Blue (PB35) is usually a more expensive pigment and has a tendency due to the weight of the particles, I believe, to separate from the binder in many brands. I was surprised to see the Perm. Magenta separate, though. Have heard that exposing the tubes to lower temperatures may cause separation, but seems unlikely here (!!!) Have had a similar experience with some tubes, but the lower cost on the more expensive paints makes it OK. I am puzzled, though, as the Cerulean Blue is listed as PB28 for both Sennelier and Jackson's. Has it been relisted as PB35 by now?
I was wondering the same! :) was looking to pick up a cerulean but wasn't sure if to go with my usual go-to brand (Sennelier ) which has PB28 or get a DS Cerulean with PB 35/36.
@@teohyc Yes, I agree, it absolutely should, but I have two10ml tubes of Sennelier Cerulean Blue, and both they and the chart says PB28 which I find really weird. I had to double-check it, just now. Could it be a huge typo or is it some lightly roasted cobalt blue? www.sennelier-colors.com/article/photo/dossier241/ColorChart-ENG-WATERCOLOR.pdf If that is the case, I think they should call it Cerulean Blue Hue or Light Cobalt Blue instead. Would be very grateful if someone would unravel this mystery. Been puzzling me for a while...
Any problems with separating I've had have uusually been with Magentas, for some reason. Daler Rowney Artists was bad for this. They kindly sent me a new tube from a different batch and it did the same thing.
I stick a long toothpick into tubes that have gum arabic separation issues and that seems to do the trick getting things back to normal. Once in a while I'll throw in a drop or two of thick honey to make the mixture get back to being a goopy consistentcy.
I think u are correct. Have senellier paint and they hve the same pigment as you have shown here in Jackson. Specially the alizarin color is exactly same. Now other brand has the that tone of alizarin crimson.
I bought all the available Jackson's pans from its web site. it's total of 46 (if you count them online). Even though you don't recommend the Cerulean blue, I like its color - a reddish blue (made of PB35) closer to PB36 but on the bright side (instead of gloomy side). I don't like its Permanent Alizarin Crimson either - too muted between Burnt Sienna and Venetian Red. My favorite version of Perm. Aliz. Crimson is Da Vinci - made from PV19. Jackson's Aliz. Crimson is weird too - different from Sennelier's Aliz Crimson Lake of PR83.
My Sennelier Cerulian blue and Magenta tubes have the same gum arabic separation issue as Jacksons, so it must be true they are manufactured by Sennelier
Thanks for the in-depth review. I was considering getting these, but it’s a little disappointing to see the amount of binder separation and inconsistency even at this price point.
I've looked at extensive reviews on Jackson's paints before buying them. I think they are an example of different name but same paint quality as big brand name? If anybody had doubts these paints are made in the same factory as sennelier, this tube is a dead giveaway (and it becomes some sort of collector's item, lol!) Now onto the paints: from personal experience all the few tubes of Jackson's paint I have ordered had no binder separation, but they were all 10ml. The only 21ml tube I got from them had the same issue as yours: cerulean blue. It's funny because in the first squeeze in a pan I didn't face this problem, but when I tried to fill another pan the binder separation happened. I guess it's a problem of their paint recipe for this specific pigment? And upon looking other reviews, their perm. alizarin crimson really is an odd shade, more of a maroon red than the usual deep, pinkish red. A very unusual pan color I also got from them is cadmium red violet... Or something like that? It's a really gorgeous red, with a slight brown undertone, very granulating and the closest thing to the color of blood.
I got my 10mL sennelier tubes for the equivalent of $2.85 AUD each but i had to get the 100 tube set. I haven't tried every colour yet but the Sap green looks really similar to the Jackson's one. I didn't have the binder problem with the ultramarine deep and permanent magenta but i did get it with blue violet and turquoise green in the set i got i haven't used my tube of cerulean yet though.
I believe the identification on Jackson’s tubes is right, you can check on Handprint.com. PY154 was used on the old Sennelier watercolors the same paints many people say is now rebranded as Jackson's. When Sennelier launched the new line they changed the labeling from PY154 to PY153, what is really strange because, at that time, the pigment PY153 was already discontinued, the reason Daniel Smith changed his New Gamboge formula. However, some brands still use (allegedly) PY153 on their paints, Schmincke and Daler Rowney for example. Personally, I don’t believe Sennelier Yellow Light is made with PY153 because doesn’t make sense to change from one easily available pigment to another one discontinued. The runny paint is a frequent issue with Sennelier tubes, especially on pigments that need more binder, but since I can buy the 21ml really cheap, it is not a major issue to me.
You might try putting the tubes upside down to let the separation reverse its direction. It works most of times. And this routine every some weeks could avoid severe separation in other paints too.
Thank you for this public service. I was almost duped by their GORGEOUS looking thumbnail swatches when shopping online, combined with the extremely low prices, but given how low the pigment concentration is IRL, & how little you’re really getting in that 21ml tube when you account for that, I’m probably better off just paying more for a properly pigmented paint.
I always wonder when I hear that a more expensive brand also makes their product for another cheaper brand. I would be curious to know if Sennelier makes the watercolor for Jackson's with the same exact formulas as they do their own? I tend to think there may be some short cuts & cheaper ingredients in the "private label.". Still, you showed us the label underneath on the Jackson's.
I wonder if the La Petite 21 ml/10 pc set of Sennelier tube is the same as the Jackson tube, because of the separation of binder.. I have a set of the 10 pc set and the problem is mutual.
Sennellier is not as good as many present it to be, Bruce MacEvoy on handprint reviewed them quite unfavorably. Sennellier makes a good watermark for reviewing reviewers though, a lot of people get hung up on the name and the history, and excuse the weak pigment load and high amout of fillers by spouting tired marketing "they're designed for layering" "they're made in the European tradition" "they have a glowing quality due to the honey" etc. Anyways, thank you for the review, you are one of the very few people who does watercolor reviews for a living and treats it as such.
I've tried Sennelier pans before and they perform alright. I've not tried their tubes before though. Hopefully the quality is not the same as those tubes in this video.
The problem is, Handprint is out of date - paints are reformulated and updated by all manufacturers so tests need to be re-done. I like Sennelier, they are built for light layering which brings out a luminosity seldom seen in other brands, hence why a lot of professional botanical artists use them. There’s no definite confirmation Jackson’s paints are Sennelier and some pigments differ anyway. Even so, if Sennelier do make them, the formulation could be different too, more binder used for example, as they are cheaper than Sennelier.
I use sennelier paints quite a bit and they are actually quite good. The handprint site does refer to the formulation a few years before and the company has reformulated the paints since then and have recieved better reviews. I've had this gum Arabic separation issue in only one of my tubes so far and it does improve if I give the tube a really good shaking before opening it and squeezing it out.
Yep, thought exactly the same as your review. I also tried the Red Ochre - a most peculiar brute of a paint that invades everything around it. Guess paints like that have niche uses but not exactly normal.
Love your use of "brute" this way! 😆 Because it's spot on! I'll be using that from now on with other British paints! (Spell check changed brutish to British LOL)
@@EstrafaDC Ha, spellchecker fun. Think you will find my use of "brute" refers to that specific brand and paint rather than to British paints in general. Try butting a wash of one manufactures paint up against the same pigment of another manufacturer - see which pushes the other aside. Its not a "national trait" when it comes to watercolour paint. Jacksons Red Ochre will try to own any pallet. Try it.
@@TobermoryCat Oh, I've definitely experienced it! And as for the spellcheck, it wasn't even correct here as it should've corrected to Frankish (?) I assume the interaction has to do more with binders and fillers but some pigments just don't play well together, do they?
@@EstrafaDC Yep, you know the problem. All sorts of binders and fillers which may not mix well with others. I thought Red Ochre would be less strident. Some of these new flashy granulation pigments also get tricky when mixed or mix across a paint box. Feels like I am heading back to the traditional tried and tested range which I thought had been superseded by the newer offerings - save for the less reliable ones; alizarin crimson and prussian blue etc. All fun.
I have a number of these paints and have decided that they have some great yellows and reds, okay to good blues and pretty poor earth tones. So for the price if I stick to the colours that I like from them I am very happy. I have their py154 New Gamboge from before they switched the formula and it is a favourite warm yellow.
Teoh Yi Chie actually it’s labeled with py153 and called Indian Yellow and it’s quite lovely. I think it may have been leftover pigment because it’s not a popular brand.
Smaller sized pigment needs more milling or special manufacture process. That means more cost in general. The ceramic pigment cobalt blue is way cheaper than the ones for paints or inks. PV19 comes in different sizes and purposes from plastic stainning to inks making, which varies in price, too. Holiday ultramarine is one of the most pricy ones(relatively because ultramarine is very cheap comparing to the others), which is safe enough for make up product and food containers while some other cheap ultramarine could be only used for plastic coloring. And pigment from certain manufacturors are much cheaper, the quality not so good generally but not always.
Thanks Teoh, I purchased their 10 tubes x 21ml, their color is great. Cerulean Blue is the only that has binder and paint seperation. Once you open the tube you will notice the watery/bubbly liquid. You are right, it has a lot of gum arabic than the paint. However, most of the color is really fantastic! I hope they will continue producing watercolor paint.....and keep on improving the mixing ratio or procedure to combine the gum arabic and paint.
Thanks Teoh for sharing this review, my experience with Jacksons Watercolor Paint ---- is not good most of the paints has a defective misture of binder and pigment. However, the customer service is great.
They will crack or shrink when dry. It's best to fill one third, have it crack and shrink, the squeeze to fill the cracks and gaps, repeat. They rewet fine.
It will be soft and take a very long time to dry hard. Which means if you use in a watercolour box outdoors, it will be difficult to keep the box after each painting session. These are not ideal for squeezing into half pans. There are many other better options out there, e.g. Daniel Smith, Holbein, Winsor Newton, Schmincke, Shinhan. Brands that don't do well in pans are Jackson's, Mission Gold, M Graham, White Nights.
Nobody has mentioned the fact that Sennelier uses honey in their formulations. I would assume Jackson’s does as well. Also Sennelier is well known for being able to glaze in multiple layers. Billy Showel uses them exclusively these days, it seems. HOW an artist works with their paints may determine which brands they use. i.e. many botanical watercolorists seem to use W&N or Sennelier. Just musing here so don’t pounce on me please... 🙂
If layering is needed, one can choose transparent and staining watercolour. Many brands would have colours that meet these criteria, so it's not just Sennelier, unless their range is just made up of transparent or semi transparent colours.
Interesting video! I have heard a lot about Jackson's paints being manufactured by sennelier which are what I use primarily here in India. The tube watermark was a complete giveaway! Could see swatches of colours I don't yet have and consider them :) Just wanted to ask if you tried putting any of them in pans and they dry out successfully? Sennelier's honey formula makes them moist (not too runny) but rather sticky in pans and if this is the same formulation it should behave similarly?
Ramya Ramakrishnan, they dry out almost exactly like the sennelier tubes do, and paint very similarly. In fact I have found them to be indistinguishable. They are sticky and rather shiny on the surface when you pour them into pans or half pans, and they retain that slight stickiness, which makes them rewet quite easily.
Cobalt is a heavy pigment and will separate from the binder easily. You can pour out the paint into pans and mix with toothpick. This is make the paint more usable then have them separate inside the tube
I have used these extensively with a selection of a 16 paint palette mainly single pigment They are bold brash opaque colors lacking the subtlety and transparency of W/N Many tubes have up to 1/4 arabic gum separation They are fun paints for the price, good for direct bold painting such as urban sketching but nothing more But do not layer with them They do not offer the real pleasure of watercolor painting
Neeman Callender .Odd I have used an eight colour palette of these, all single pigment except a slightly weak sap green, none of them are remotely opaque, and they all take a considerable amount of layering. I have not had the separation issues that Teoh shows, maybe because we live in very different climates. I have added some sennelier colours to this selection and they are very comparable and dry in pans to a very similar consistency, slightly sticky. An exception is quin purple that remains fairly sticky always. I have regular Alazarin Crimson which I do not use in permanent work, its such a shame it is fugitive because it is such a beautiful colour, of course it is fine for work for reproduction
When you've cleared up some space for new paints, I would love a comparison between these and the Sennelier tubes to know if they actually are the same :) I read a lot of places that they are identical, but I cannot find an actual comparison anywhere.
Does anyone else have the same experience with these paints? Or any experience they want to share for that matter? Because ya girl just ordered a TON of these and now I'm sweating
king0baka, don't sweat, I think you will find them very nice paints to use. Obviously you wil like some colours better than others depending upon how you use them in. your work, but I don't think you will be disappointed.
The quality is good, just that for some colours they are going to be used up fast. And stir the paint with a needle/stick/paper clip for those problematic ones.
Correct review. I have purchased Jacksons watercolor paint in tube, I can say that the the quality of the paint is not even worth to try, because it has a lot of binder - out of 12 colors 8 of them are not usable. Especially Cerulean and Quinacridon Gold
maybe u should use more better brushes to swatch out instaed of these cheap one like da vinci casaneo or similar ,it will be more fun to watch ,just suggesting by the way, i love your videos ;)
Am I the only one who loves the anount of detail he puts into the review and how fast he gets into it instead of talking way to much before like many other review channels
。ジョン YES. YES. YES
Even if you WERE the only one, it would still be true
Not at all, I love these on point detail reviews as well!
(Very professional in my opinion:))
I also love that there isn't a few minute skillshare ad at the beginning of every video
@@catsontherise4300 Because of his supporters on Patreon!
To avoid having binder pour out of tube, I store my tubes upright. That way, the paint collects down by the cap and the excess binder floats up to the top. Sometimes it's enough to just to set the tube upright on the table for a few minutes before squeezing out paint. BTW, How's the little princess doing?
Thanks for the tip. The little princess is very big now. One and half years old 😂
What a GENIUS HACK!!! Will have to remember that trick! ¡Gracias!
I have to say that I had some Windsor and Newton artist grade that have had loads of binder pour out. Usually 37mls. I seem to go through Ultramarine, burnt sienna and burnt umber. It was the last tube of burnt umber I had that was like that. Thanks for good review.
@@redmoon8217 yep happens to every brand now and again. I had it happen to a QoR tube, almost 1/4 of the tube was pale yellow liquid ("aquasol") of course, the store refunded me.
Best and most detailed reviews on UA-cam. :)
Thanks :-)
Its a great review as always
Big tubes don't sell so fast, so they spend a long time on the store shelves. This happens with all brands. You could try to stir the paint with a needle while still in the tube. It helps a lot.
idk why people prefer small tubes and paint, big tubes always are more economy
@@huyle2057 only if you know you're going to use that much.
If you're just trying a brand, a colour, or just don't work big and fast, it's usually better to buy less. Watercoloutists don't tend to use that much paint.
@@huyle2057 I like smaller tubes (7ml and 10ml). They are fresher, I don't have to worry about separation or expiration etc.
Teoh you have confirmed the myth for all of us!! 👍🏼
I haven't bought any Jackson's own brand paints before, but i have bought other items. I have to say Jacksonsare one of the best retailers around, and have extremely helpful staff. Thoroughly recommend buying from them. PS you can get round the binder issue by shaking the tube well. I've had separation problems with W&N Professional, and Daniel Smith before and shaking the tube always does the trick.
That separation problem has actually nothing to do with the pigment/binder ratio in the tube but the way art stores display them, cap sides up. In the tubes stored that way for a long time , binder separates and then elevates up to the mouth and for some certain pigments like cobalts, PR7, PV15 with heavy particules, this is even more common.
That's why shaking, stirring with a tooth pick or keeping them on their caps side down for a while usually works to get the binder remixes back to the paint. This happens for most of the paints regardless of the brand, including oils.
I tried out these as the price point is so good. I didn't get tubes but tried full pans and really struggled with them. I noticed cerulean blue, burnt umber and sap green were slightly chalky and yeah the Alizarin crimson wasn't accurate at all. As these are the base colours I use I couldn't really change to them. One thing though I did really like the yellow and reds.
I’ve had binder separation issues with just about every brand I’ve tried, including Daniel Smith, so it wouldn’t prevent me from getting these. I like my Sennelier paints as well. I might have to try these.
I recently set up an 18-color palette of Jackson's Artist Watercolor because I want to experiment with painting large. I brought the pigment labelling issues to their attention and they told me that they are going to redo and correct all of their labels. I'm pretty sure that Quinacridone Gold has PY150 (Nickel Azo Yellow) in it, for example. I also love their Permanent Alizarin Crimson Deep which uses PR206 (called Quinacridone Burnt Scarlet in the Daniel Smith line). It is super transparent and mixes well to create deeper shades of red for shadows.
Thanks for the added information!!
I'd never seriously considered watercolours in pan form before discovering your channel and within two weeks I'd ordered a set of Jackson's 12 half-pans from the UK. I've never had so much fun!
I have set of Jackson's full pans and several half pans. I have only good things to say about them, though I wish they had a PY150, too. I have no doubt that a review of them would be quite favourable to the brand.
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this review. As a student I have to watch my budget and these colors look like they’re great if you need artist quality paints on a paupers budget.
I think an addendum/correction should be made after this video. I almost dismissed/rejected Jackson's because of it, but I have reevaluated my opinion since I wrote to Jackson's. Here is what I learned when I asked Jackson's about the binder issue.
Some wise people have already figured this out and commented below.
"Pigment/binder separation is something that we see across all watercolour brands and it is common with certain pigment more than others. It is due to the weight of the pigment particles and it does not affect the quality of the paint. Instead of pouring out the excess binder at the top, it is best to mix it within the tube with a metal wire to re-integrate the pigment with the binder. "
As a beginner I have a large number of JAS tubes and have been very happy with (apart from Cerulean Blue), but I am moving more to Daniel Smith and W&N replacements.
I would still recommend JAS paints though as they’re a real improvement on student grade paints.
Hey Teoh, I was wondering, rather than it being Sennelier/Jackson's labellling things wrong, could it be that Jackson's chose the pigment and names and asked Sennelier to manufacture that for them, hence the discrepancy ?
It could be. I would need to buy the same colours from Sennelier to compare, especially to see if the same colours have binder separation issues.
Yes, the paints don't have to be exactly the same to be manufactured by Sennelier. The fact that the printing on the tube is the same is a pretty good indication, since if Jackson's used that mark for another brand of paint they'd be open to litigation. I find it odd that people think private label paints need to be identical. Since Jackson's is selling this at a lower price point, they'll choose the less expensive colors and Sennelier may make substitutions. Also, Sennelier seems to substitute PY154 and PY153 in both brands. Since PY153 is harder to get, it may depend on availability. I would trust the pigment listed on the tube is correct for each batch, rather than what's on the website. Binder separation has very little to do with brand in my experience, more to do with storage conditions and type of pigment.
Love your videos, I’ve only just come across them, thank you.
I agree with the previous comments about Sennelier making this paint but it not being the same. The pigments listed are correct on the tubes and correspond to the Jacksons colour chart for their brand paint.
Just because a company make something for someone else doesn’t mean it’s the same product packaged differently.
I bought Jacksons paint first and was very disappointed with the lack of vibrancy from certain colours, especially the Magenta. I then bought Sennelier after seeing a friend using the Billy Showell flower set. They are gorgeous and some of the colours are called the same as the Jacksons paint but they are definitely not the same.
Sennelier use honey, they spread beautifully and I adore using them. I’m thinking about offloading most of my Jacksons paint as I don’t enjoy them.
When you compare pigments used, the Jacksons ones tend to use more single pigments in the set I bought, whereas Sennelier tend to have more than one pigment per colour which I guess is not so good for colour mixing, although I haven’t had any problems.
I was quite surprised to see they’re made by Sennelier as the paints are so different from each other.
You should try Sennelier tune paint, it’s very different from Jacksons.....although some tubes do separate like the Jacksons ones.
If Sennelier make them for Jacksons, it makes sense that they might use cheaper pigments than in the Sennelier branded products.
I love your videos and always feel like I learn so much from them. Thank you for making such quality reviews and videos!
Hi Teoh another great video, I am a fan of the Jackson range of watercolours, and have also noticed the heavy use of binders in some colours. However the price I am more than happy with!
Agree, but could anyone please tell me how to assess the amount of binder in a tube? Some separation is bound to happen in even the best brands (?). Cheaper brands, like Cotman has dextrine in addition to gum arabic, and Sennelier/Jackson's and others have a speck of honey (hygroscopic) as well. The cheaper brand has less separation than the more expensive ones, but likely not as much pigment.
@@trondbirkeland8094 no idea Trond until you start using the paints, but tbh for the price these are well worth the money anyways!!
@@trondbirkeland8094 So glad you mentioned the honey as Sennelier is known for that and hadn't heard it mentioned...I think it has something to do with this weeping and the overall goopiness -- something Maimeri also suffers from with their honeyed recipe.
I enjoyed the review. I recently bought a 24-half pan set of Jackson's paints. In the empty spaces, I added Sennelier paints. I had the excess binder issue with two Sennelier colors, Turquoise Green and Quin Gold. In fact, I filled a half pan with gum arabic from a new tube of turquoise green.
I have had similar problems of too much gum Arabic in Winsor & Newton's gouache and Blockx watercolour - almost half the tubes were gum - this happens occasionally in oils also.
I love this brand and the sennelier brand. There is an issue with some pigment info between the jacksons website and the tubes, same with sennelier I think they keep switching formulas.
I enjoy Jacksons branded paints to!
See Carolyn Roberts' comment on this thread about her communication with Sennelier about this issue.
I always enjoy your swatching videos. If you had the colors I would really be interested in seeing swatches of these & the Sennelier side by side, especially the ones where the names & pigments are different. I would be interested in seeing you filling a pan with them too. I would like to see how much each one shrinks in the first fill, and maybe hear how many times it took you to fill one all the way. Thanks for the video!
Maybe I’ll do that comparison in the future
Fantastic review, thankyou. Am doing a Jackson's order and will pick up some primaries in these.
I use Sennelier and have not had the binder problem. They do not crack when I fill the pans due to the honey. Their Aliz Crimson is the same PR206. Their Ultramarine deep is beautiful and a staple on my palette. May be the same situation as Cheap Joes and DaVinci.
The color pay off of these are very nice! Great detailed video 😊😊
Thank you for your work. I ordered some of this paint today
I mentioned your youtube review that helped me make my choice
Billy from Arizona
You should shake your tubes before opening! I just learned that and thought I'd pass it on!
Cerulean Blue (PB35) is usually a more expensive pigment and has a tendency due to the weight of the particles, I believe, to separate from the binder in many brands. I was surprised to see the Perm. Magenta separate, though. Have heard that exposing the tubes to lower temperatures may cause separation, but seems unlikely here (!!!) Have had a similar experience with some tubes, but the lower cost on the more expensive paints makes it OK. I am puzzled, though, as the Cerulean Blue is listed as PB28 for both Sennelier and Jackson's. Has it been relisted as PB35 by now?
Cerulean should be PB35
I was wondering the same! :) was looking to pick up a cerulean but wasn't sure if to go with my usual go-to brand (Sennelier ) which has PB28 or get a DS Cerulean with PB 35/36.
@@teohyc Yes, I agree, it absolutely should, but I have two10ml tubes of Sennelier Cerulean Blue, and both they and the chart says PB28 which I find really weird. I had to double-check it, just now. Could it be a huge typo or is it some lightly roasted cobalt blue? www.sennelier-colors.com/article/photo/dossier241/ColorChart-ENG-WATERCOLOR.pdf If that is the case, I think they should call it Cerulean Blue Hue or Light Cobalt Blue instead. Would be very grateful if someone would unravel this mystery. Been puzzling me for a while...
Any problems with separating I've had have uusually been with Magentas, for some reason. Daler Rowney Artists was bad for this. They kindly sent me a new tube from a different batch and it did the same thing.
I stick a long toothpick into tubes that have gum arabic separation issues and that seems to do the trick getting things back to normal. Once in a while I'll throw in a drop or two of thick honey to make the mixture get back to being a goopy consistentcy.
I think u are correct. Have senellier paint and they hve the same pigment as you have shown here in Jackson. Specially the alizarin color is exactly same. Now other brand has the that tone of alizarin crimson.
Very informative. Thank you.
I bought all the available Jackson's pans from its web site. it's total of 46 (if you count them online). Even though you don't recommend the Cerulean blue, I like its color - a reddish blue (made of PB35) closer to PB36 but on the bright side (instead of gloomy side). I don't like its Permanent Alizarin Crimson either - too muted between Burnt Sienna and Venetian Red. My favorite version of Perm. Aliz. Crimson is Da Vinci - made from PV19. Jackson's Aliz. Crimson is weird too - different from Sennelier's Aliz Crimson Lake of PR83.
My Sennelier Cerulian blue and Magenta tubes have the same gum arabic separation issue as Jacksons, so it must be true they are manufactured by Sennelier
Thanks for the in-depth review. I was considering getting these, but it’s a little disappointing to see the amount of binder separation and inconsistency even at this price point.
I've looked at extensive reviews on Jackson's paints before buying them. I think they are an example of different name but same paint quality as big brand name? If anybody had doubts these paints are made in the same factory as sennelier, this tube is a dead giveaway (and it becomes some sort of collector's item, lol!)
Now onto the paints: from personal experience all the few tubes of Jackson's paint I have ordered had no binder separation, but they were all 10ml. The only 21ml tube I got from them had the same issue as yours: cerulean blue. It's funny because in the first squeeze in a pan I didn't face this problem, but when I tried to fill another pan the binder separation happened. I guess it's a problem of their paint recipe for this specific pigment? And upon looking other reviews, their perm. alizarin crimson really is an odd shade, more of a maroon red than the usual deep, pinkish red. A very unusual pan color I also got from them is cadmium red violet... Or something like that? It's a really gorgeous red, with a slight brown undertone, very granulating and the closest thing to the color of blood.
I got my 10mL sennelier tubes for the equivalent of $2.85 AUD each but i had to get the 100 tube set. I haven't tried every colour yet but the Sap green looks really similar to the Jackson's one. I didn't have the binder problem with the ultramarine deep and permanent magenta but i did get it with blue violet and turquoise green in the set i got i haven't used my tube of cerulean yet though.
I believe the identification on Jackson’s tubes is right, you can check on Handprint.com. PY154 was used on the old Sennelier watercolors the same paints many people say is now rebranded as Jackson's. When Sennelier launched the new line they changed the labeling from PY154 to PY153, what is really strange because, at that time, the pigment PY153 was already discontinued, the reason Daniel Smith changed his New Gamboge formula. However, some brands still use (allegedly) PY153 on their paints, Schmincke and Daler Rowney for example. Personally, I don’t believe Sennelier Yellow Light is made with PY153 because doesn’t make sense to change from one easily available pigment to another one discontinued. The runny paint is a frequent issue with Sennelier tubes, especially on pigments that need more binder, but since I can buy the 21ml really cheap, it is not a major issue to me.
I shake my new tubes to get the pigment to mix with the binder. I wouldn’t let the gum Arabic drip out, you need that mixed in with the pigment.
You might try putting the tubes upside down to let the separation reverse its direction. It works most of times. And this routine every some weeks could avoid severe separation in other paints too.
Oh wow looks good. Have you tried the pan version? Also is it better to get the tube version or the pans?
I’ve not tested the pan versions
I use them a lot. My opinion is they're not quite as good as Winsor and Newton but they're more than adequate, great value for money.
Thank you for this public service. I was almost duped by their GORGEOUS looking thumbnail swatches when shopping online, combined with the extremely low prices, but given how low the pigment concentration is IRL, & how little you’re really getting in that 21ml tube when you account for that, I’m probably better off just paying more for a properly pigmented paint.
I always wonder when I hear that a more expensive brand also makes their product for another cheaper brand. I would be curious to know if Sennelier makes the watercolor for Jackson's with the same exact formulas as they do their own? I tend to think there may be some short cuts & cheaper ingredients in the "private label.". Still, you showed us the label underneath on the Jackson's.
Where is the link to the used art products for sale? I looked on the blog and didn't see it.
Oops. It's here www.parkablogs.com/content/watercolour-paint-sale
Can I ask if the Ultramarine has the same level of granulation as Windsor and Newton?
I wonder if the La Petite 21 ml/10 pc set of Sennelier tube is the same as the Jackson tube, because of the separation of binder.. I have a set of the 10 pc set and the problem is mutual.
There is lot of binder also in the original Sennelier, like blue and purples
Now I understand why you said their Cerulean Blue have too much gum arabic... I guess I'll stick with Holbein...
Sennellier is not as good as many present it to be, Bruce MacEvoy on handprint reviewed them quite unfavorably.
Sennellier makes a good watermark for reviewing reviewers though, a lot of people get hung up on the name and the history, and excuse the weak pigment load and high amout of fillers by spouting tired marketing "they're designed for layering" "they're made in the European tradition" "they have a glowing quality due to the honey" etc.
Anyways, thank you for the review, you are one of the very few people who does watercolor reviews for a living and treats it as such.
I've tried Sennelier pans before and they perform alright. I've not tried their tubes before though. Hopefully the quality is not the same as those tubes in this video.
The problem is, Handprint is out of date - paints are reformulated and updated by all manufacturers so tests need to be re-done. I like Sennelier, they are built for light layering which brings out a luminosity seldom seen in other brands, hence why a lot of professional botanical artists use them. There’s no definite confirmation Jackson’s paints are Sennelier and some pigments differ anyway. Even so, if Sennelier do make them, the formulation could be different too, more binder used for example, as they are cheaper than Sennelier.
I use sennelier paints quite a bit and they are actually quite good. The handprint site does refer to the formulation a few years before and the company has reformulated the paints since then and have recieved better reviews.
I've had this gum Arabic separation issue in only one of my tubes so far and it does improve if I give the tube a really good shaking before opening it and squeezing it out.
He reviewed the older line.
@@rumyas According to Sennelier they reformulated the line by adding more honey.
Yep, thought exactly the same as your review. I also tried the Red Ochre - a most peculiar brute of a paint that invades everything around it. Guess paints like that have niche uses but not exactly normal.
Love your use of "brute" this way! 😆 Because it's spot on! I'll be using that from now on with other British paints! (Spell check changed brutish to British LOL)
@@EstrafaDC Ha, spellchecker fun. Think you will find my use of "brute" refers to that specific brand and paint rather than to British paints in general. Try butting a wash of one manufactures paint up against the same pigment of another manufacturer - see which pushes the other aside. Its not a "national trait" when it comes to watercolour paint. Jacksons Red Ochre will try to own any pallet. Try it.
@@TobermoryCat Oh, I've definitely experienced it! And as for the spellcheck, it wasn't even correct here as it should've corrected to Frankish (?) I assume the interaction has to do more with binders and fillers but some pigments just don't play well together, do they?
@@EstrafaDC Yep, you know the problem. All sorts of binders and fillers which may not mix well with others. I thought Red Ochre would be less strident. Some of these new flashy granulation pigments also get tricky when mixed or mix across a paint box. Feels like I am heading back to the traditional tried and tested range which I thought had been superseded by the newer offerings - save for the less reliable ones; alizarin crimson and prussian blue etc. All fun.
I have a number of these paints and have decided that they have some great yellows and reds, okay to good blues and pretty poor earth tones. So for the price if I stick to the colours that I like from them I am very happy. I have their py154 New Gamboge from before they switched the formula and it is a favourite warm yellow.
PY154 is a wonderful yellow. Too bad they switched and is no longer even offering this pigment.
Teoh Yi Chie actually it’s labeled with py153 and called Indian Yellow and it’s quite lovely. I think it may have been leftover pigment because it’s not a popular brand.
That perm.aliz.crimson looks beautiful
Thank you Teoh, this is great review.
Perhaps Lemon Yellow, Jackson's Yellow Light, French Vermilion, Carmine, Ultramarine Deep.
@@teohyc Thank you very much
Smaller sized pigment needs more milling or special manufacture process. That means more cost in general. The ceramic pigment cobalt blue is way cheaper than the ones for paints or inks. PV19 comes in different sizes and purposes from plastic stainning to inks making, which varies in price, too. Holiday ultramarine is one of the most pricy ones(relatively because ultramarine is very cheap comparing to the others), which is safe enough for make up product and food containers while some other cheap ultramarine could be only used for plastic coloring. And pigment from certain manufacturors are much cheaper, the quality not so good generally but not always.
The opaqueness sometimes comes from the filler and in other times the coarse size itself. That is partly how they make it more affordable.
I will continu with Winsor & Newton, thanks for that video, it was very useful :-)
You can mix up the colors in the tube with a long wire.. then the gum Arabic would be incorporated Thanks, Eileen
still love my MG
These are amazing paints that I also enjoy a lot. 😍😍😍
Just I got shook when I saw that both Sennelier and Jackson's tubes have the same logo?? Looks like they didn't even try to hide it xD
Just an fyi, the senellier version of cerulean blue has the same binder separation issue!
Cerulean is heavy and binder separation is a common problem with most brands.
Thanks Teoh, I purchased their 10 tubes x 21ml, their color is great. Cerulean Blue is the only that has binder and paint seperation. Once you open the tube you will notice the watery/bubbly liquid. You are right, it has a lot of gum arabic than the paint. However, most of the color is really fantastic! I hope they will continue producing watercolor paint.....and keep on improving the mixing ratio or procedure to combine the gum arabic and paint.
Thanks Teoh for sharing this review, my experience with Jacksons Watercolor Paint ---- is not good most of the paints has a defective misture of binder and pigment. However, the customer service is great.
Have you tested to fill pans with Jacksons tubes?
How they rewet? Cracked when dry?
Thank you!
They will crack or shrink when dry. It's best to fill one third, have it crack and shrink, the squeeze to fill the cracks and gaps, repeat. They rewet fine.
Do more expensive brands crack as well? I only see it in my less expensive ones but I don’t have a lot to compare.
@@lotuslove6753 It depends more on the colour/pigment than the brand.
Does it set up hard in a pan or does it stay soft?
It will be soft and take a very long time to dry hard. Which means if you use in a watercolour box outdoors, it will be difficult to keep the box after each painting session. These are not ideal for squeezing into half pans. There are many other better options out there, e.g. Daniel Smith, Holbein, Winsor Newton, Schmincke, Shinhan.
Brands that don't do well in pans are Jackson's, Mission Gold, M Graham, White Nights.
Thank you!
Nobody has mentioned the fact that Sennelier uses honey in their formulations. I would assume Jackson’s does as well. Also Sennelier is well known for being able to glaze in multiple layers. Billy Showel uses them exclusively these days, it seems. HOW an artist works with their paints may determine which brands they use. i.e. many botanical watercolorists seem to use W&N or Sennelier. Just musing here so don’t pounce on me please... 🙂
If layering is needed, one can choose transparent and staining watercolour. Many brands would have colours that meet these criteria, so it's not just Sennelier, unless their range is just made up of transparent or semi transparent colours.
You're a treasure. Thankyou.
Interesting video! I have heard a lot about Jackson's paints being manufactured by sennelier which are what I use primarily here in India. The tube watermark was a complete giveaway! Could see swatches of colours I don't yet have and consider them :)
Just wanted to ask if you tried putting any of them in pans and they dry out successfully? Sennelier's honey formula makes them moist (not too runny) but rather sticky in pans and if this is the same formulation it should behave similarly?
Ramya Ramakrishnan, they dry out almost exactly like the sennelier tubes do, and paint very similarly. In fact I have found them to be indistinguishable. They are sticky and rather shiny on the surface when you pour them into pans or half pans, and they retain that slight stickiness, which makes them rewet quite easily.
They do dry given enough time. Surface will be sticky but not runny. Paint shrinks a lot though
Watercolor painting is the hardest type of art
I think it’s one of the easiest because I started out with it, but it def. isn’t beginner/budget friendly at times
Jackson's Cobalt Blue pours out of the tube as thin as water. I informed Jackson's, sent photos too. Their reply: "
Too bad."
Cobalt is a heavy pigment and will separate from the binder easily. You can pour out the paint into pans and mix with toothpick. This is make the paint more usable then have them separate inside the tube
so that solves that issue, some of the jacksons paints are sennelier. tfs
I have used these extensively with a selection of a 16 paint palette mainly single pigment
They are bold brash opaque colors lacking the subtlety and transparency of W/N
Many tubes have up to 1/4 arabic gum
separation
They are fun paints for the price, good for direct bold painting such as urban sketching but nothing more
But do not layer with them
They do not offer the real pleasure of watercolor painting
very strange as Sennelier is famous for their layering properties....
Neeman Callender .Odd I have used an eight colour palette of these, all single pigment except a slightly weak sap green, none of them are remotely opaque, and they all take a considerable amount of layering. I have not had the separation issues that Teoh shows, maybe because we live in very different climates. I have added some sennelier colours to this selection and they are very comparable and dry in pans to a very similar consistency, slightly sticky. An exception is quin purple that remains fairly sticky always. I have regular Alazarin Crimson which I do not use in permanent work, its such a shame it is fugitive because it is such a beautiful colour, of course it is fine for work for reproduction
If you're the type of person who likes weak paints like W&N, then it's not surprising that you didn't like these more vibrant paints.
Ohh I was thinking of trying them, but all that gum Arabic dripping out is putting me off. Thanks Teo!
You can just remove the gum arabic. In terms of value for money, you still get a lot of paint with these.
@@teohyc you think so? I’ll get a tube to check it out next time I buy paint. Which colour was your favourite?
@@thuntz29 Ultramarine, Hansa Yellow, Pyrrol Red. I don't think you can go wrong with these colours
When you've cleared up some space for new paints, I would love a comparison between these and the Sennelier tubes to know if they actually are the same :) I read a lot of places that they are identical, but I cannot find an actual comparison anywhere.
Check out Oto Kano's colour comparison videos, she often has both Sennelier and Jackson's colours and they always look/ perform identically!
@@TheCookieOverload Thank you for this! :) I am so sad they are the same, it makes me regret buying Sennelier...
Stand the tubes on their lids to allow the pigment to fall into the gum arabic The colours you do don't recommend are fine.
Does anyone else have the same experience with these paints? Or any experience they want to share for that matter? Because ya girl just ordered a TON of these and now I'm sweating
king0baka, don't sweat, I think you will find them very nice paints to use. Obviously you wil like some colours better than others depending upon how you use them in. your work, but I don't think you will be disappointed.
The quality is good, just that for some colours they are going to be used up fast. And stir the paint with a needle/stick/paper clip for those problematic ones.
Correct review. I have purchased Jacksons watercolor paint in tube, I can say that the the quality of the paint is not even worth to try, because it has a lot of binder - out of 12 colors 8 of them are not usable. Especially Cerulean and Quinacridon Gold
maybe u should use more better brushes to swatch out instaed of these cheap one like da vinci casaneo or similar ,it will be more fun to watch ,just suggesting by the way, i love your videos ;)
So... Jacksons = Senelier + gum arabic.