Nice job....great video reminds me of my days in a Bell Ranger when I was a radio tech for our local police dept. Never forget that turbine whine. I'd go up after we repaired the police radios & or antennas, to make sure all was well in flight. Nothing like a flight over the Atlantic Ocean at sunset in Summer ! Good Luck to you.
Thank you so much for this VERY EXCEPTIONAL point of view : dashboard, cyclic and collective and the forward, I felt as I was piloting for real even if a disability can't led me to any cockpit to try !
Thanks for sharing this. I'm transitioning to a 206B2 and appreciate people like you sharing this. Nice smooth AR's. They're so much nicer to do in the 206 vs R22's.
Gordon power off autos are taught as well... I own a bell 407, and I've practiced both power down, and power off autorotations.. so yes power off autos are taught as well.
Last flare was kind of high or this point of view is deceiving me? As for me, I aim slightly before where I want to land, because the flare gives you time to cover some more distance depending on the speed you initiate the flare with.
+Georgi Galabov Not all are perfect, that's why we practise ;) last one was high yes. Also when we do a power recovery we do them slightly higher to reduce the risk of hitting the tail during the flare
+Tim Loens Don't apologize for your talents. Most don't know how difficult it is to fly a helicopter. You did it just right. Well done and well said. No tail-boom strikes when we practice. You can fly with me any day.
This is awesome. A couple weeks ago I was up in a B-407 Long Ranger and I guess I'm so used to them them that I sometime forget I'm in a helicopter. Very quiet (with headset on) and very smooth with the 4-blade rotor. Very comparable to being in a Cadillac going down the highway. I've now been in the Bell 47G, UH-1 Huey, 206 Ranger, and 407 Long Ranger. I've thought about other make helicopters but I'm still impressed with Bell helicopters so that is the one I always request. At some point I want to ride in the Huey 2 with composite blades.
BTW, one of the reasons (not the only) we don't do a full down is that you don't have to ask permission. Depending on location, some property owners get quite righteous. Happens w/hot air balloons too.
Although this was a good film to watch and touch control on the students part was very good, it gripes me to no end that the civilian training does NOT teach power-off touchdown autos.....
Gordon Mccoy YES! Granted in the army we only do touchdowns while in the school house but we still always chop the throttle to idle. Its just not the same training value without that.
Right - agreed! I'm finding out that even in the US Army they aren't teaching power-off touch-down autos any more.... Keep in mind that I did my solo in the Spring of '68 @ Ft Wolters, TX - a long time ago.... Things change...
Gordon Mccoy not sure what will happen at Rucker once they transition to lakotas for primary trainers instead of th-67's/b06's. But for now in 67's and 58's we still did touch down power off autos. Currently im flying 58D's... Till they divest the rest...
Gordon Mccoy That is not true!! At my school whenever winds are 10 kts and higher we do power off touchdown on hardsurface!! so thats pretty much each flight!
Well done. I miss the JetRanger - haven't flown one in years. You don't appear to rest your right forearm on your leg - have you tried that? Most pilots find it helps. Good luck!
+motokid032 Hi, sorry for the late reply. you want the RRPM as high as acceptable during an autorotation so you can use it later to cushion the landing and just to be on the safe side of the arc.
Rotor and Turbine RPM gauge, big one more or less in the middle of the instrument panel. you see the two needles split when the autorotation is initiated.
Good point Gordon McCoy. Every9one always says the military had the money to spend on dings or burning out skid shoes....but evern with 4000 hours in the huey it was the touchdown that mattered when I had a catastrophic engine failure at 700 feet agl. Nope, let them touchdown....power recoveries are cheating them of valuable realistic training.
so how do you initiate the autorotation, do you have a timer that tells it to cut off engine power at a certain time? does someone push something the moment before?
@ bgast 33...watch his left hand, he lowers the collective to minimum main rotor blade pitch, and reduces the throttle, which is the twist grip throttle on the collective lever, this allows the free-wheeling clutches to kick in and basically with downward and forward momentum, the rotor system drives itself (maintains nominal rpm), the flare up at the end is to be able to raise collective pitch without lowering rpm when you need it most, allows for a nice cushion to slow the aircraft down while not slamming into the ground.
I see, thank you for your detailed answer. I did not know there was a freewheeling way of transmitting power (given the right settings and situation of course).
Were you at idle during descent? It sounded like you were at 100% engine RPM throughout the maneuver and I didn't see a yaw indicating throttle down or throttle up. The only yaw appears to be when you transitioned from flat pitch to hover torque.
Tim Loens Cool, a friend posted your video on Facebook and we were just trying to figure out what happened. I figured the best way was to ask you. Thanks for the reply and good job on the autos!
And that's what does not make sense; he's, (or who ever is sitting in the PIC seat) only rolling it off to 90%, (the turbine needle is the larger of the two). If he was rolling it off to flight idle, it would drop to 62% and he'd be getting a low rotor horn as well. The only needle you care about during an auto is the small rotor needle and keeping that in the green. I've never done a auto in any helicopter, 206's, 500's, and 44's that didn't get a low rotor horn during a full down or power recovery auto.
I have never done an auto in a 206 that produced a low rotor horn. Technique in the 206 is to begin by closing the throttle and then lowering the lever (reverse of R44). Yet rotor RPM stays in the green. Nor have I got low rotor horn in the 500 during auto.
Tim Loens Of course....I made my CPL on a Jet Ranger as well at Ranger Helicopters ( now called Canadian Helicopters ) in Sault St. Marie / Canada. Total training time 100 hrs 60 on the R22 and 40 on Jet Ranger incl. some slinging time. They always trained the AR's full on even on tarmac, insane noise..., grass and ice...
Nice job....great video reminds me of my days in a Bell Ranger when I was a radio tech for our local police dept. Never forget that turbine whine. I'd go up after we repaired the police radios & or antennas, to make sure all was well in flight. Nothing like a flight over the Atlantic Ocean at sunset in Summer ! Good Luck to you.
Yes the start-up in the bell does sound very nice ^^ thanks! :)
nice work Tim Loens
Thank you so much for this VERY EXCEPTIONAL point of view : dashboard, cyclic and collective and the forward, I felt as I was piloting for real even if a disability can't led me to any cockpit to try !
Fantastic Job. Autorotations and landing are the the toughest things to learn when helicoptering. You did a great job. Well done.
Flying sideways with crosswind is harder I reckon.
Helicopters are so cool the visibility is so much better then a small plane. You can fly low and slow so maneuverable.
there are planes with good visibility, just need one with glass doors. But yeah having the engine up front is gonna obstruct a lot of your view.
Beautiful work, Don't be afraid to flare
Thanks for sharing this. I'm transitioning to a 206B2 and appreciate people like you sharing this. Nice smooth AR's. They're so much nicer to do in the 206 vs R22's.
+sbFIFTY9 ahmen and well said!
What job did you get from the R22 to the 206? Can I join you lol.
sbFIFTY9 i bet
Hi Tim very amazing, great control,nicely done and thanks for sharing.Thumbs up!!!
+ldee247 thanks!
Tim Loens how does it jump back to 100% power that faster?
Sound reminds me of Sky News 9 Oklahoma. Keeping an eye on tornados.
Damn, that was so sharp and great performing overall
Gordon power off autos are taught as well... I own a bell 407, and I've practiced both power down, and power off autorotations.. so yes power off autos are taught as well.
Bob Gilchrist : Thanks, yes I am actually resting my elbow on my leg but it's out of the image! But it's a good tip :-)!
Andy Peet : Thanks Andy! =).
Those looked nicely done. Very smooth. Great to watch, cheers and well done.
Last flare was kind of high or this point of view is deceiving me?
As for me, I aim slightly before where I want to land, because the flare gives you time to cover some more distance depending on the speed you initiate the flare with.
+Georgi Galabov Not all are perfect, that's why we practise ;) last one was high yes. Also when we do a power recovery we do them slightly higher to reduce the risk of hitting the tail during the flare
+Tim Loens Don't apologize for your talents. Most don't know how difficult it is to fly a helicopter. You did it just right. Well done and well said. No tail-boom strikes when we practice. You can fly with me any day.
+melvin292 Thanks, appreciate it! ;-)
That was fun. Thanks.
that second one was boss! you can see the happiness in your calm face
Awesome! I wish there was a second camera pointed at the gauges. Was hard to see the rotor RPM.
This is awesome. A couple weeks ago I was up in a B-407 Long Ranger and I guess I'm so used to them them that I sometime forget I'm in a helicopter. Very quiet (with headset on) and very smooth with the 4-blade rotor. Very comparable to being in a Cadillac going down the highway. I've now been in the Bell 47G, UH-1 Huey, 206 Ranger, and 407 Long Ranger. I've thought about other make helicopters but I'm still impressed with Bell helicopters so that is the one I always request. At some point I want to ride in the Huey 2 with composite blades.
I love watching this
BTW, one of the reasons (not the only) we don't do a full down is that you don't have to ask permission. Depending on location, some property owners get quite righteous. Happens w/hot air balloons too.
+stereopolice That's true indeed
Very nice! 👌
Although this was a good film to watch and touch control on the students part was very good, it gripes me to no end that the civilian training does NOT teach power-off touchdown autos.....
Gordon Mccoy YES! Granted in the army we only do touchdowns while in the school house but we still always chop the throttle to idle. Its just not the same training value without that.
Right - agreed! I'm finding out that even in the US Army they aren't teaching power-off touch-down autos any more.... Keep in mind that I did my solo in the Spring of '68 @ Ft Wolters, TX - a long time ago.... Things change...
Gordon Mccoy not sure what will happen at Rucker once they transition to lakotas for primary trainers instead of th-67's/b06's. But for now in 67's and 58's we still did touch down power off autos. Currently im flying 58D's... Till they divest the rest...
Gordon Mccoy That is not true!! At my school whenever winds are 10 kts and higher we do power off touchdown on hardsurface!! so thats pretty much each flight!
Glad to hear that, Billy....! What school and where is the location???
Well done. I miss the JetRanger - haven't flown one in years. You don't appear to rest your right forearm on your leg - have you tried that? Most pilots find it helps. Good luck!
Great video - that last one looked difficult
Does the P1 normally sit on the right on a 206? I've never flown one but was passenger on the left.
You started your flare at the top of the trees on the last one about 20ft to high but practice make perfect.
he did that on purpose to avoid a full down auto since you cant exactly recover your power instantly with a turbine
how high are you supposed to flare
I only sim in X-Plane so I could be wrong but aren't you supposed to keep the RRPM from climbing with like it was during your approach?
+motokid032 Hi, sorry for the late reply. you want the RRPM as high as acceptable during an autorotation so you can use it later to cushion the landing and just to be on the safe side of the arc.
With all the respect but can you just pick a random field to practice on and assume it's ok with the owner?
Well done Man ;) thumbs up ..stay cool in all conditions ;)
+Meikel Myers thanks!
Interesting. Can anyone tell me which gauges I should be looking at during this video?
Rotor and Turbine RPM gauge, big one more or less in the middle of the instrument panel. you see the two needles split when the autorotation is initiated.
Tim Loens, best also be monitoring the airspeed indicator.
Awesome!
Why are you flying on the left seat?
Good point Gordon McCoy. Every9one always says the military had the money to spend on dings or burning out skid shoes....but evern with 4000 hours in the huey it was the touchdown that mattered when I had a catastrophic engine failure at 700 feet agl. Nope, let them touchdown....power recoveries are cheating them of valuable realistic training.
This guy was the killer in Manhunter???
Tim, How many hours did you have at this time? Did you first start with a piston engine for your initial lessons?
Thanks, Dino
Probably had around 260hrs at that time. I started on the Cabri G2, which is a piston yes
Well done!
so how do you initiate the autorotation, do you have a timer that tells it to cut off engine power at a certain time? does someone push something the moment before?
@ bgast 33...watch his left hand, he lowers the collective to minimum main rotor blade pitch, and reduces the throttle, which is the twist grip throttle on the collective lever, this allows the free-wheeling clutches to kick in and basically with downward and forward momentum, the rotor system drives itself (maintains nominal rpm), the flare up at the end is to be able to raise collective pitch without lowering rpm when you need it most, allows for a nice cushion to slow the aircraft down while not slamming into the ground.
I see, thank you for your detailed answer. I did not know there was a freewheeling way of transmitting power (given the right settings and situation of course).
Were you at idle during descent? It sounded like you were at 100% engine RPM throughout the maneuver and I didn't see a yaw indicating throttle down or throttle up. The only yaw appears to be when you transitioned from flat pitch to hover torque.
+Sean R. Yes i was at idle, you can see it on the engine instruments
Watch the tachometer (to the left of the heading indicator)
Needles split = no engine torque
Which school did you attend? Looks like northern Sweden or in Småland perhaps... Great flying :-)
Yes it was in Sweden indeed. This was around the area of Jönköping. I went to Northern Helicopters
What happened on the first try?
Had to flare it a little more gently I think
Tim Loens
Cool, a friend posted your video on Facebook and we were just trying to figure out what happened. I figured the best way was to ask you. Thanks for the reply and good job on the autos!
Jamie Dee Thanks!
very nice
thanks
Very young pilot 👩✈️
Why are you flying left side? And also, how is that an auto if you're not rolling off the throttle?
did you not see the needles split?
And that's what does not make sense; he's, (or who ever is sitting in the PIC seat) only rolling it off to 90%, (the turbine needle is the larger of the two). If he was rolling it off to flight idle, it would drop to 62% and he'd be getting a low rotor horn as well. The only needle you care about during an auto is the small rotor needle and keeping that in the green. I've never done a auto in any helicopter, 206's, 500's, and 44's that didn't get a low rotor horn during a full down or power recovery auto.
I have never done an auto in a 206 that produced a low rotor horn. Technique in the 206 is to begin by closing the throttle and then lowering the lever (reverse of R44). Yet rotor RPM stays in the green. Nor have I got low rotor horn in the 500 during auto.
Good job.. ^^
Você tá do lado esquerdo ?
Sim, porque foi por mim formação de instrutor.
Nice!!
Thanks!
Nice hover!
damn! that looks stressful.
It's all right actually, the Bell is really nice to autorotate in because of the high blade inertia :)
Why do pilots put the mic so close to there mouth that would irritate the hell out of me if it rubs on my lip
the mic picks up sound but will block out cockpit noise so it has to be close if not touching to be able to pick up your voice.
Good job. You obviously aren’t Army
Das sind doch keine Autorotationen!
not an auto. needles never split, and landed under power. watch rotor tach.
You can quite clearly see the needles splitting, the shorter needle is the rotor RPM. It was a power recovery though, so he reintroduced power.
To bad it wasn't a full on....
yes, companies tend to avoid that because of the risk... More accidents happen during autorotation practise than during actual emergency autos.
Tim Loens Of course....I made my CPL on a Jet Ranger as well at Ranger Helicopters ( now called Canadian Helicopters ) in Sault St. Marie / Canada. Total training time 100 hrs 60 on the R22 and 40 on Jet Ranger incl. some slinging time. They always trained the AR's full on even on tarmac, insane noise..., grass and ice...
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Practise? A second grade education and this guy is allowed to fly an aircraft over a populated city? Yikes!
that was bad, you would be dead