The concussion from these things (even in long rifle form) in 8x56 is immense. There were some of these used at Stalingrad and I think everyone had a serious case of tennitus when a group armed with M95s came up against a group armed with M38s. A couple friends of mine and I went to a gun range (indoor) and we brought an M38 and an M95 to their rifle range 😂. We were *politely* asked to leave after about three rounds from both the M95 and M38.
Recently got my hands on one of these, unfortunately it was sporterized but I’m working to undo that. I’ve got an original handguard and rifle bands, now I just need the woodworking to replace the missing part of the stock under the handguard and then she’ll be in prime condition once again. Terrific rifle!
8x56R is loaded to 51,000 psi. 8x57 is loaded to a mere 46,400 psi. 8x57 case volume is about 4.5% less than 8x56R. Am going to try to emulate the 8mm pressure in the 8x56R and create a "reduced" load.
These are sweet rifles. I bought 4 Steyr marked rifles from SOG back when they were cheap. I got one on a Christmas sale for 89 bucks and the other 3 were 119 bucks, all are super nice refurbs like most are. I also have a Hungarian Budapest marked one and a Yugo conversion 8mm Mauser M95M.
Regarding the hang fires, I think you need to strip the bolt and clean it thoroughly. Lightly lubricate and reassemble. Not striking the primers hard enough. I’ve never had one hang fire from the Austrian stuff
Some observations from an old hand at these rifles. The ammo is stout. Welcome to when military rifles were not for the faint of heart. Ballistics of the round put it nearly identical to the service ammo in a 98K Mauser in absolute energy. Not really a surprize but Mauser isn't really a fun gun to shoot either. Those rifles with their heavy boattail bullets were intended to really reach out to long ranges and still be effective. I've had the M95M, the M95 long rifle and a couple of the Stutzen. Definately prefer the long rifle because it is a bit more tolerable to shoot. The straight pull action is strong. Elegant and sleek lines mean the Mannlicher straight pulls can be beasts to shoot. Basic physics. Heavy bullet, light gun equals hard felt recoil. When I handload my ammo, I bring it down to Krag ballistics. Makes a world of difference in having a fun shooting session vs. feeling like you've been in mixed martial arts match with Godzilla.
I have two of these rifles one marked with an S and the other one doesn’t have the S mark. My local gun shop always had this ammunition in their bargain bin and I would buy three or four at a time when I went in there and amassed over 60 boxes now. But good luck finding it anymore I’m glad I got it when I did. I still have not found any of the original 8 x 50 R ammunition for the unmarked carbine.
I’ve found some of the Austrian for like 30 a box. It’s probably more now. I don’t even know if you could find original 8x50r anymore. I imagine you’d have to hand produce that stuff.
With the old ammo, shake it and listen to see if you can hear the loose powder. If you can hear it shake, it should be good. If you don't hear it shake, it's because the powder has clumped together (like little hairs growing in it, and that one will misfire/hangfire. If you pull the bullet on the hang fire, the powder comes may come out as one long clump. The bullet is able to be re-used. The brass is usually berdan primed, so is therefore not reloadable.
There’s a guy on gunbroker who sells this ammo for $2/round and includes the clips and boxes and their shipping speed is wicked fast and the ammo is in great condition
I had maybe 10 boxes of that Austrian ammo that I shot in mine about 10 years ago and had little to no duds that I can remember . I also had some Bulgarian (I think) that did have several duds. I've got a set of Lee dies and have done some reloading for 8X56 but I just don't get enough accuracy out of that rifle to motivate me to do much with it.
A hangfire is a delay in firing, what we are seeing is a dud. I have one of these and the same ammo, never had 1 dud, would be interesting to see the ding in the primer
Talking with different people or reading from forums, it’s pretty common for this ammo to dud. I still have the dud rounds and the dent in the primer is pretty strong.
I bought one these rifles about 2 years ago and it was made in Budapest, Hungry and my rifle has a “S” stamp for the conversion instead of the “H” I find that interesting!
I have one too! I nicknamed it: "The A$$ Kicker".I love taking it to the range and letting the "pew-pew" guys shoot it. After one or two rounds, they hand it back to me and say "I'm good".
En bloc 'clips' were originally patented and marketed as the 'Mannlicher Packet Loading System'. They were first used on the Gewehr 1888 'Commission Rifle'.
Mine cycled fine when I got it… but after I took it apart to detail clean it… I apparently put something together incorrectly as it is too tough to even attempt to cycle from the shoulder. Any help here?
I picked up one of these and I've never fired it. One reason I never fired it is because the ammo I bought with it also was also vintage, just like in the video. I don't know if that ammo will even fire, but I I figure it's worth more unfired.
I just purchased one of the long rifle variants of this firearm for $100 and recieved about 70 rounds of this ammunition and 10 clips, although I'd feel kinda bad shooting it since I think it's kinda neat. I'm looking at buying some privy partisan to shoot, do you know where the best place to get some would be?
@GarandGuy2553 any idea where a good place to get some Mauser C96 parts would be? I know Wolff springs make good spring kits, but I need a new bolt since one of the two C96s I got for like $90 each has a bolt that had a piece chip off when I fired it.
Yeah, now I had wished I had done that but it's all good. I'm always a little nervous that they'll go off even if they've been sitting out for long enough.
Just picked up a whole boat load of this stuff for dirt cheap a few months ago. Its all gonna flood the market soon because all the guys that bought it in the 80s are selling it off or passing away. The guy I got mine from had arounf 2000 rounds left of the original 2500 he bought. You'd be surprised how many people have this stuff laying around.
Just saw your video been shooting the m95 a long time I use the modern ammo for it now but when I first got it I used the old 1930s ammo what you need to do when it hang fires when you wait for a little bit you just pull back on the hammer re cock the hammer and it should fire the second time! Have fun stay and enjoy
@@GarandGuy2553 good job I knew you'd figure it out! I love those guns they're very high quality and shoot very nice! Don't know if you noticed I know I did the sites they seem to shoot High seem like I had to bring it down quite a bit. I know Hornady used to make custom rounds in that caliber too and they shot very nice!
Have had 2 for 18 years or so now 1 Long Style 1 Carbine I know the pain of the carbine, 18 years ago both had for under $200 GOOD LUCK TODAY. I do not think I have seen one under $500.
By the rust on a lot of the en bloc clips in these boxes, I don't think this ammo was stored very well before it made it to the USA. Despite its age...Plus those cardboard boxes don't seem to have any kind of wax or sealant to keep out moisture.
You have to site your gun in long as in 500 meters to start and 300 meters short for this .338 8x56R rifle. It was meant to shot across windy alps at Italian soldati. Not to be a zero at 100 meters as I understand. It's 500. Nickname mule kicker. The Italians even had a song about this rifle. ua-cam.com/video/piWeRcolSX8/v-deo.html
Yeah, a few people have mentioned that. I’ll have to shoot those rounds again and see if they fire. I also haven’t disassembled my bolt which might tell me more.
I just bought one of these rifles for 500 looks like an almost new barrel with some fresh cosmalean in the action and some ammo made by ppu it was 35 bucks a box of 20 not something imma want to just blow rounds through alot like my Mosin nagant
Hang fire is a slight delay when the trigger is pulled and the bullet fires . sometimes a second or two. If the bullet has some contamination in it ( oil from weapon maintenance) you can often hear the powder charge sizzle before detonation. This ammo should be pulled and recharged with clean powder...
@@terrancenorris9992 A "bullet" is merely a projectile. A metallic _cartridge_ may have "some contamination in it" which may affect ignition of primer or propellant ('powder'). The 1938 dated cartridges being used in video may have been improperly stored at some time. Components of a metallic cartridge are: Case Primer Propellant Projectile Hang fires are common with muzzle loaders, particularly flintlocks. _Keep your powder dry._
Nazis didn't follow the way rules at the time. I think you have an issue with your firing pin. Mine fires every time. I ran a magnet over the rounds and "thung" they came right up to it
@@markbroad119 It’s still pretty bearable for grown men though. I’d take a shorter rifle but yeah, that’s why they eventually created shorter cartridges that weren’t crazy powerful.
YOU CAN RE-COCK THIS WITH THE THUMB PIECE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU !!! PERHAPS YOU SHOULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU ARE SHOOTING BEFORE YOU DEMONSTRATE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THIS WEAPON !!! ITS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS WEAPON AT ALL. STICK TO AIRSOFT ...
The concussion from these things (even in long rifle form) in 8x56 is immense. There were some of these used at Stalingrad and I think everyone had a serious case of tennitus when a group armed with M95s came up against a group armed with M38s. A couple friends of mine and I went to a gun range (indoor) and we brought an M38 and an M95 to their rifle range 😂. We were *politely* asked to leave after about three rounds from both the M95 and M38.
Mmm to me these didn’t sound any different than any other high powered rifle, atleast with hearing pro on.
Recently got my hands on one of these, unfortunately it was sporterized but I’m working to undo that. I’ve got an original handguard and rifle bands, now I just need the woodworking to replace the missing part of the stock under the handguard and then she’ll be in prime condition once again. Terrific rifle!
No doubt! Yeah, they are real nice. Unfortunately, mine was sanded down at some point.
8x56R is loaded to 51,000 psi. 8x57 is loaded to a mere 46,400 psi. 8x57 case volume is about 4.5% less than 8x56R. Am going to try to emulate the 8mm pressure in the 8x56R and create a "reduced" load.
These are sweet rifles. I bought 4 Steyr marked rifles from SOG back when they were cheap. I got one on a Christmas sale for 89 bucks and the other 3 were 119 bucks, all are super nice refurbs like most are. I also have a Hungarian Budapest marked one and a Yugo conversion 8mm Mauser M95M.
Yeah, I think you mentioned that in one of my other videos - Super neat!
Regarding the hang fires, I think you need to strip the bolt and clean it thoroughly.
Lightly lubricate and reassemble.
Not striking the primers hard enough.
I’ve never had one hang fire from the Austrian stuff
You’re probably right. Will do when I take it out again.
Some observations from an old hand at these rifles. The ammo is stout. Welcome to when military rifles were not for the faint of heart. Ballistics of the round put it nearly identical to the service ammo in a 98K Mauser in absolute energy. Not really a surprize but Mauser isn't really a fun gun to shoot either. Those rifles with their heavy boattail bullets were intended to really reach out to long ranges and still be effective. I've had the M95M, the M95 long rifle and a couple of the Stutzen. Definately prefer the long rifle because it is a bit more tolerable to shoot. The straight pull action is strong. Elegant and sleek lines mean the Mannlicher straight pulls can be beasts to shoot. Basic physics. Heavy bullet, light gun equals hard felt recoil. When I handload my ammo, I bring it down to Krag ballistics. Makes a world of difference in having a fun shooting session vs. feeling like you've been in mixed martial arts match with Godzilla.
Might want to check your coil spring around the firing pin. You might be having light strike on the primer of those cartridges.
Yeah, that’s probably it to be honest. Haven’t taken it apart yet.
I have two of these rifles one marked with an S and the other one doesn’t have the S mark. My local gun shop always had this ammunition in their bargain bin and I would buy three or four at a time when I went in there and amassed over 60 boxes now. But good luck finding it anymore I’m glad I got it when I did. I still have not found any of the original 8 x 50 R ammunition for the unmarked carbine.
I’ve found some of the Austrian for like 30 a box. It’s probably more now. I don’t even know if you could find original 8x50r anymore. I imagine you’d have to hand produce that stuff.
With the old ammo, shake it and listen to see if you can hear the loose powder. If you can hear it shake, it should be good. If you don't hear it shake, it's because the powder has clumped together (like little hairs growing in it, and that one will misfire/hangfire. If you pull the bullet on the hang fire, the powder comes may come out as one long clump. The bullet is able to be re-used. The brass is usually berdan primed, so is therefore not reloadable.
Good call! Yeah, it’s all berdan primed so not usable.
@@GarandGuy2553 Berdane primed brass is really not that big of a problem to reload all you need is the proper equipment.
@@worldtraveler930 that’s true.
Shoot it at night and see how big that muzzle blast is :D
haha she does have a large flash
There’s a guy on gunbroker who sells this ammo for $2/round and includes the clips and boxes and their shipping speed is wicked fast and the ammo is in great condition
I’ll check it out!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the video brother 👍
Anytime man! Thanks for the comment.
I had maybe 10 boxes of that Austrian ammo that I shot in mine about 10 years ago and had little to no duds that I can remember . I also had some Bulgarian (I think) that did have several duds. I've got a set of Lee dies and have done some reloading for 8X56 but I just don't get enough accuracy out of that rifle to motivate me to do much with it.
They’re fun guns for sure!
A hangfire is a delay in firing, what we are seeing is a dud. I have one of these and the same ammo, never had 1 dud, would be interesting to see the ding in the primer
Talking with different people or reading from forums, it’s pretty common for this ammo to dud. I still have the dud rounds and the dent in the primer is pretty strong.
Or try hit again, simply recock the firing pin.
I bought one these rifles about 2 years ago and it was made in Budapest, Hungry and my rifle has a “S” stamp for the conversion instead of the “H” I find that interesting!
It may have been put into Austrian or German arsenal after it was manufactured. It happened more than you may think. I got one and love it
I’d like a Hungarian one at some point too.
I have one too! I nicknamed it: "The A$$ Kicker".I love taking it to the range and letting the "pew-pew" guys shoot it. After one or two rounds, they hand it back to me and say "I'm good".
It’s very smooth though!
En bloc 'clips' were originally patented and marketed as the 'Mannlicher Packet Loading System'.
They were first used on the Gewehr 1888 'Commission Rifle'.
I’d love to get a Gew 88 at some point! Just haven’t come across the right opportunity yet.
The Mannlicher M1886 used them before the Gewehr 1888, though I'm pretty sure the Gewehr 1888 was the first to use Smokeless ammo in them
Mine cycled fine when I got it… but after I took it apart to detail clean it… I apparently put something together incorrectly as it is too tough to even attempt to cycle from the shoulder.
Any help here?
Mmm I’m not sure. I’ve honestly never taken the bolt apart but I should do that just to learn it’s function.
That’s weird! I just pulled 2 clips out of display case dated 1938 with the Eagle but my clips have ridges
I picked up one of these and I've never fired it. One reason I never fired it is because the ammo I bought with it also was also vintage, just like in the video. I don't know if that ammo will even fire, but I I figure it's worth more unfired.
It’s up to you. This vintage ammo is cheaper than newly made ammo so plenty of people shoot it. But that’s totally up to you.
I just purchased one of the long rifle variants of this firearm for $100 and recieved about 70 rounds of this ammunition and 10 clips, although I'd feel kinda bad shooting it since I think it's kinda neat. I'm looking at buying some privy partisan to shoot, do you know where the best place to get some would be?
Umm best thing would just be to google it. You’ll probably find many such sites.
@GarandGuy2553 any idea where a good place to get some Mauser C96 parts would be? I know Wolff springs make good spring kits, but I need a new bolt since one of the two C96s I got for like $90 each has a bolt that had a piece chip off when I fired it.
@@beanos2287 You can always try Numrich or eBay. That would be a good start.
Are you sure they’re dead primers and not a light strike from your firing pin? Could well be some cosmoline or similar in the fp channel too...
Ahhh if you watch until the end I mention that
I always send ones that go off through a couple more times, usually they go off unless the ammo is really bad...
Yeah, now I had wished I had done that but it's all good. I'm always a little nervous that they'll go off even if they've been sitting out for long enough.
@@GarandGuy2553 pretty much impossible, after a few seconds that round aint leaving
Maybe mention reloading for the cartridge. I believe the hardest part is finding reliable reloading data
Yeah, I’m not sure but I know a few folks who reload for them.
My 95 doesn’t have any letters on chamber, just some small numbers
Just picked up a whole boat load of this stuff for dirt cheap a few months ago. Its all gonna flood the market soon because all the guys that bought it in the 80s are selling it off or passing away. The guy I got mine from had arounf 2000 rounds left of the original 2500 he bought. You'd be surprised how many people have this stuff laying around.
Yeah, I’d definitely shoot more of this stuff! I’ll probably pick up one box just for the heck of it.
Just saw your video been shooting the m95 a long time I use the modern ammo for it now but when I first got it I used the old 1930s ammo what you need to do when it hang fires when you wait for a little bit you just pull back on the hammer re cock the hammer and it should fire the second time! Have fun stay and enjoy
Yeah, I ended up taking some of the ammo back out and it shot fine!
@@GarandGuy2553 good job I knew you'd figure it out! I love those guns they're very high quality and shoot very nice! Don't know if you noticed I know I did the sites they seem to shoot High seem like I had to bring it down quite a bit. I know Hornady used to make custom rounds in that caliber too and they shot very nice!
If you get a hangfire, pull the striker back and try firing again.
Have had 2 for 18 years or so now 1 Long Style 1 Carbine I know the pain of the carbine, 18 years ago both had for under $200 GOOD LUCK TODAY. I do not think I have seen one under $500.
I picked mine up for about 300 bennies back in 2020 which was a good deal for then I think.
Great guns. Good for driven deer IMO
I imagine it would!
You’re yanking the trigger from a nearly straight finger. Try a slow squeeze rather than a hasty pull and anticipatory wince.
I bought mine from J&G Sales (years ago) for about 90 Bucks, plus (I think) 25 bucks for shipping.
Damn, that’s one heck of a deal!
By the rust on a lot of the en bloc clips in these boxes, I don't think this ammo was stored very well before it made it to the USA. Despite its age...Plus those cardboard boxes don't seem to have any kind of wax or sealant to keep out moisture.
Yeah, definitely not stored well.
Need new firing pin spring or firing pin and spring may help some of the duds
Yeah, definitely!
You have to site your gun in long as in 500 meters to start and 300 meters short for this .338 8x56R rifle. It was meant to shot across windy alps at Italian soldati. Not to be a zero at 100 meters as I understand. It's 500. Nickname mule kicker. The Italians even had a song about this rifle. ua-cam.com/video/piWeRcolSX8/v-deo.html
You must have a weak spring, Ive shoot about 200 rounds of 1939 never have one hang fire.
Yeah, a few people have mentioned that. I’ll have to shoot those rounds again and see if they fire. I also haven’t disassembled my bolt which might tell me more.
I just bought one of these rifles for 500 looks like an almost new barrel with some fresh cosmalean in the action and some ammo made by ppu it was 35 bucks a box of 20 not something imma want to just blow rounds through alot like my Mosin nagant
Yeah, it’s like a once a year gun. Definitely a good one but not cheap if you don’t reload!
Bro, you got hosed….$500???
I paid $89 for mine at Big 5
Granted that was awhile ago, should’ve kept your money, this things aren’t worth that much
@@joelgeiser675big 5 sells used guns?
What's a hang fire
Sorry, meant to be a dud.
Hang fire is a slight delay when the trigger is pulled and the bullet fires . sometimes a second or two. If the bullet has some contamination in it ( oil from weapon maintenance) you can often hear the powder charge sizzle before detonation. This ammo should be pulled and recharged with clean powder...
@@terrancenorris9992 click......... Boom!
@@terrancenorris9992 A "bullet" is merely a projectile.
A metallic _cartridge_ may have "some contamination in it" which may affect ignition of primer or propellant ('powder'). The 1938 dated cartridges being used in video may have been improperly stored at some time.
Components of a metallic cartridge are:
Case
Primer
Propellant
Projectile
Hang fires are common with muzzle loaders, particularly flintlocks.
_Keep your powder dry._
I've got the same gun. My ammo is 1938. Steel jacketed
Steel jacketed? Interesting.
Nazis didn't follow the way rules at the time. I think you have an issue with your firing pin. Mine fires every time.
I ran a magnet over the rounds and "thung" they came right up to it
@@markbroad119 Yeah, I probably just need to breakdown the bolt and see what’s going on.
I like how a long rifle would be too awkward but we'll give you a shorter one with long gun power
@@markbroad119 It’s still pretty bearable for grown men though. I’d take a shorter rifle but yeah, that’s why they eventually created shorter cartridges that weren’t crazy powerful.
Maybe a new firing pin spring….
I will just need to take it apart.
schritt, not meters btw
Is that what the Austrians used as their official measurement?
@@GarandGuy2553at that time period, yes.
@@PhilReturns I thought the metric system became compulsory in Austria in 1876?
@@GarandGuy2553yeah, 1 schritt = 0.75 meter
I thought german ammo survives 1000 years😀
It’s not even real German ammo…it was made in Austria lol
IF, stored Properly...
YOU CAN RE-COCK THIS WITH THE THUMB PIECE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU !!! PERHAPS YOU SHOULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU ARE SHOOTING BEFORE YOU DEMONSTRATE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THIS WEAPON !!! ITS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS WEAPON AT ALL. STICK TO AIRSOFT ...
Why are you typing in all caps?
That’s weird! I just pulled 2 clips out of display case dated 1938 with the Eagle but my clips have ridges