8x50R Austrian M1895 Mannlicher Straight-Pull - the original!
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In this video, Mike takes a look at an 8x50R M1895 Austrian Mannlicher straight-pull long rifle, and takes it out to 300m for a shoot. In the discussion, he talks about how you can keep an 8x50R fed despite there being no ammo available (hint - trimmed 7.62x54R brass), and describes how the Austrians loved their M95's, but the Swiss hated their model 1893 cavalry carbines, which use basically the same action but with a detachable magazine, and busts some myths.
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M95 Mannlicher straight pull 8x50R Austrian
M95/30 Mannlicher 8x56R
M1893 Swiss Mannlicher cavalry carbine 7.5x53.5 GP90
M1911 Carbine (K11), 7.5x55 GP11 Swiss
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miss having alex on this channel i think now this guy is my favorite on this channel mainly because he shows similar old guns like alex used to
>Be me
>Buy hand guard for M95 carbine
>Turns out hand guard is for 1895 Carbine-Stutzen
>Turns out I have a 1895 Stutzen-Carbine
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BlindAF verɪfɪed greentext appreciated
@@itsuo163 i think in Austro-Hungarian (aka KuK) parlance the Stutzen was a shortened gun for engeners and similar units. The carbine was designed for cavalry, therefore shortened and designed to be carryed on the back. And the long rifle was used by the regular infantry. The length allowed for realy long ranges. Except that it turned out that trenchwar happens on short ranges and the long gun is way to cumbersome to handle.
My great grandfather killed 11 italians during the first world war with one of these. He was a croatian fighting for the austro hungarians
Good kil count eh?
South African Defense Force sweet k/d ratio. Did he remember to call in his killstreak?
My grandfather instead fought against the Austro-Hungarians in the two battles of the Piave 1917, 1918, but I don't know how many croats he killed with his Carcano 91.
h@@67claudius He probably ran.
@@pesfrdaman Yes, he ran towards Vienna
A member of my family actually has 1 of these but I’m disappointed in the total lack of ammunition availability. It doesn’t have the “S” Spitzer marking, so I know it’s an original (He bought it in a catalog back in 1958 lol). Triggered!!! 😾😾😾
Who is this bloke?
Does he live on a range?
Yes
At 1:28 he simply takes the time to write "ouch." Great video, thank you.
Great video! I read a part of an old austrian infantry manual: soldiers were to train to estimate distances in paces (Schritt) and this was also examed! (If i remember correct they had to be right 7 out of 10 times to pass) And the bolt part: as far as i read in a forum, if the bolt snaps this easy it is a sign of wear. Oh and to the conversion: Austria didn't have enough money to buy new rifles in the 30s also i think the treaties forbid anything more modern etc.
My dad had one of these, he bought a large quantity of original ammo and blanks with a wooden bullets too. He would pull the wood blanks and dump the powder and loaded it with new components. He also made his own loads from Norma 7.62x54R brass. It has quite a kick when fired. Still a lot of fun.
Dear Bloke,
Would it be possible to get some content with you and Alex collaborating on an episode for a one off? I think it would be good. If only for old time’s sake.
I read somewhere that the inventor of the m95 was as genius as John Browning. Ferdinand von manlicher
Thanks Mike I just went on gunbroker and bid on a Swiss 1893 didn't know about those ain't even finished paying off the M1917 Enfield I put on layaway
To get the bolt head back out i like to grasp it with two fingers and pull it straight out. dont worry about twisting as much if at all.
I almost feel ashamed, but I never paid these much attention until I used them in Battlefield 1. Since then, I've handled a few and really enjoyed them. Now I really want one. Unfortunately, my local gun shop that has one knew to jump up the price the second BF1 released, so they've been sitting above market pricing since then.
I love this gun, but it’s so rare that I would rather get a Lee Enfield or Mosin Nagant
Same her in Austria, i was collecting M95 and Austrian arms long before BF1, now my Collection mostly doubled in value.
I got one 2 years ago for 125 $ and an bock clips for the are by no means hard to find
I actually own the carbine version of this rifle. The Germans called it the "ruck zuck", meaning back and forth. Ammo wasn't as difficult to find as the stripper clips. And the gun kicks like a bastard!!
Where’d you get the ammo and clips?
I've got an M95 long rifle dated 1903 from Bulgaria, in 8x56. They're really the most pretty rifles to me, period.
Absolutely love this type of information MORE PLEASE!
bloke on the range is a nice addition to the tfb tv team, cool to see you guys expand and to help educate people on gun facts and rifle and pistol history.
I've been around these parts since February 2017 :)
Thats a evil assault rifle!
Hornady in America makes a bullet for it. I have a short rifle chambered in 8X56 and the barrel slugs 0.331 so I cast bullets and size them to 0.331 inches. I shoot them over 11 grains of Red Dot powder and the 205 grain gas checked bullet. This combination shoots well.
M95 in original caliber is nice to shoot ,easy recoil very accurate. There is a trick to replacing the bolt. One needs to push down on the bolt while trying to align the rails on the underside of the bolt body. It’s tricky but easy to learn
I have a Dutch Mannlicher Geweer M.95 No. 3 Carbine. Its a cool gun that handles great.
If the bolt head collapses when the bolt is out you can slide it outward and put a dime between the bolt body and head. It holds them in position to reinsert without worrying about hitting the lock just right.
I have 2 95/30 carbines. I had a mould made to cast .333" bullets that I powdercoat and size to 330 with a Lee sizer. Works great.
I’d like to see a Chinese Type 56 AK on here
Not in Switzerland.
I've got this rifle in the 8mm-06 wildcat cartridge! Shoots amazingly well at long distances, 500 meters and more!!!
I'm on my second one. Both have been 8x55R, first was short rifle. Second is the long
Great vid Bloke. I love these rifles for no real reason other than the mechanics but have found everything you've said to be true.
Now you should take a look at the Carcano m91
Put a lil piece of wood in the bolt when you take it out and put it back in! that way the bolt doesnt snap down on you
I'm a huge fan of this rifle, as well as the M95/30. Between the straight pull bolt, and the en-block clip loading, it must have seemed like a "Wunderwaffe"! I also like the Swiss Schmidt-Rubin, but the Canadian Ross rifle was such a disaster!
Actually Austria, like Britain, was looking to replace their rifles in 1914 but WWI happened, it was mainly hindered by the slightly anemic cartridge due to the decision to downrate said cartridge so it wouldn't wreck earlier rifles with weaker locking mechanics kept as reserve arms
I had the chance to buy one of these in a carbine configuration with a bunch of surplus ammo on clips for like 250 a few years ago, I regretted not buying it immediately but I had no money left after buying a Garand from them. :/
The easy way to rotate the bolthead, is to loosen up the striker and then tighten it when the bolt is in the gun.
There is a 330 jacketed bullet available but quite expensive.
Thanks you for this video, i'm verry learning. Thx
Man I would love to see what kind of energy that thing is putting on target.
Nothing spectactuar, to be honest.
Well, Steyr-Mannlicher's history with the straight pull action starts with the year 1885 in the "Geradezugrepetierer M85".Ten years later they released the M95 which got adopted by the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
The 1885 is some sort of holy grail for Mannlicher or Austrian Firearms collector. Saw one in my life a few years ago and i was so stupid that i don't bought it.
I must say, what a superb pronounciation of Schritte
I know you can use 338 180gr and 200gr bullets resized of course a lot of work but hey it works
Have you thought of using the .330 bullets produced by Woodleigh for the 318 Westley Richards? They are 250 grain as well. I was considering getting an 8x50R M95, as there is a guy in my country who supplies brass.
11:55 maybe arm day wud b the fix ur looking for bro
@TFB.tv can you please review the Desert Tech MDR PLEASE!!!! Also, I love you guys. James, continuing wearing your short shorts.
From like 1880 to like 1920 , this was the real transition into modern firearms. If a country wasn't making up to date guns during this time, then they are all but excluded from the discussion of weapons technology. You aren't even relevant. This was the period that was so important.
My Swiss 1911 bore measured 309 .
Til 00:45 ... "...encouraged [Austria in 1938] to join the Reich..." ...well, someone teach this dude history please!!
The eastern parts of Germany, namely Tirol, Ostmark, Kärnten ect. aka Austria was part of the Reich as Bavaria or Hessen or the the many countries/counties in Prussia.
By the way - Vienna was over 500 years the capital of the German Reich.
People like to pretend the HRE wasn't a legitimate country because they afforded a great deal of autonomy to their subjects, a complaint the same people have about the "legitimate" ones not doing.
Germany has a far more ancient history than almost any country on Earth, and was able to keep it's people separate and distinct (unconquered) for thousands upon thousands of years. More than basically anywhere else, with the exception perhaps of China.
When you consider that Germany geographically is "in the middle" of things it's even more impressive.
I wonder how these would compare in terms of rate of fire, smoothness of operation, and accuracy to another straight pull of that era, the Ross Rifle. I'm Canadian and, though it failed to perform as a infantry rifle, I'd like to see how it stands up side by side with others of same type.
Nick U. The Ross is a better rifle in just about every way, except weight and to some degree manufacturing complexity. But in all other performance categories the Ross is 100% better.
I love the swiss carbine
Does that guy live in England?! I can see the oppression and tyranny in his eyes.
No, you're just seeing things.
That's a dangerous assault rifle in England
Justin Jake Tabasa
Eternal anglo
@@OneInTheRiver are there assault muskets in england?
No he lives in Switzerland were I want to live
read the description and went ?GP90? on the M1893 but of course you meant the OLD GP90 :D i really should sleep a bit longer from time to time. btw, if you ever want to shoot a Armi Jager AP85 in .22lr (the rather rare one that looks like a cross between a famas and a bullpuped AK47) just ask. Living in the canton of Bern.
ig o, gau! :D
Were is Alex?
That’s a big freakin boi
Sehr elegante Waffe.
good vid bud
Hey, It's that Bloke from the range
Good show old chap
isnt the 8x56 ,,S-Patrone" variant a bit lower powered, because i found some Energy measurements of 8x50R Mannlicher and 8x56R Mannlicher and the 8x56R seems to have a slightly lower bullet energy
No the 8x56 was the upgrade it's bigger and a good bit more powerfull
What happened to Alex
Could the issue with the bolt at 10:52 be due to wear and tear?
I mean this is a WW! rifle, so I imagine it went through quite a number of shots
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WELCOME MIKE!!!
Is this the same 8x50R that the Siamese rifles are clambered for? Thanks.
Oh shit its bloke on the range
Do you think the ejection is not very positive do to the modified brass or just an issue with the rifle. Or maybe you were being light on the pull to save your brass? :)
He explained below. Those cases were S&B and the rims weren't the right shape. The Prvi cases he used afterwards ejected better
A very nice rifle.
However bullets in .329 are very hard to find.
Colonel Sanders then use something between .323 and .329
Sure but you can forget the precision.
If you use flat base round nose bullets, you can use .323 bullets with good accuracy. Grafs has some if you're in the states.
What is the zero on the long refitted M95/30?
ahhh fiddley bits
I miss alex
bloke on the range
Straight pull rifles are those guns where altought I find them pratical, I wouldn't like to take it at war.
Yes, I am a partisan of straight pull but it's to safe to say my maternal grand father couldn't have better than a Lee Enfield No.4 when he got deployed at Juno Beach during the D-Day. Nowdays you can have a reliable straight-pull but back in the days, turn-bolt fanboys were able to argue with reliability, cost and resistance to mud.
I think the best way to explain it, and why the damn thing is so hard to open at times, is that its actually cock on open, while camming the lugs free, and possibly yanking a hot sticky ctg out of the chamber. ...
how can you fire .323 through a .330 bore accurately?
Hollow base bullets that bump up into the grooves.
huh gun jezus from forgotten weapons looks different
Bolt Weapons are best
What's the name of the length metric for the rear sight graduations?
I said it in the vid. " Schritte" - paces. 80cm each :)
try resetting that bolt head with arthritic fingers that have lost their strength and grip.....
6:40 why wasn't it extracting properly?
It extracted fine. It didn't eject properly probably cos the rims on the S&B cases aren't really the right shape. The subsequent bit of shooting footage had it ejecting fine - Prvi cases.
Would 8mm BSA fire from this rifle? The one that Indians used. SA
yea and the swiss 1893 is a copy of the MAnnlicher M1888 8x50r
Yes it's the same gun
But the k31 Swiss rifle is better and it's straight pull
I think you mean the M1890 carbine, not the M1888.
Do firearm experts/ Historians believe that this was the first rifle that introduced the En Block clips?
Not stripper clips
Simple answer? No. :D
9 years earlier there's the M1886 Mannlicher with general adoption ua-cam.com/video/mx2L-cG44DM/v-deo.html
There's an even earlier M1885 that was troop trialed: www.hungariae.com/Mann85.htm
Bloke on the Range: thank you for the information, you answered my question. 👍
Looks like a lot like the Kar 98....
Not even close...
It’s been a while, where’s Alex?
It's been a very long while, something like 2 years :D
Bloke on the Range bruh what happened?
Straight pull bolt actions are faster than standard bolt actions *therefore* you can shoot faster, and be more deadly.
Please spread the word that normal citizens shouldn't be able to own assault bolt-actions.
Such a crazy assault rifle, when the founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment it was for assault rifles loaded from the end of the barrel. Not this crazy thing with a massive clipazine and 100 shots per minute.
I have a Steyr-Mannlicher M88/90 in original 8x51R mannlicher is there any other cartridge that can be milled down for use. Also the bolt on my 88/90 is way simpler.
The two possibilites are mentioned in the vid ;)
WHERE IS ALEX!!!!!!
Willindor he is In the older vids but I don’t see him in more recent vids
He's appeared on the FirearmRack.
MYNAMEISFROWNER does he have a youtube channel
Wasn't it a Hungarian gun ?
Pale Lady Actually it’s made in Austro-Hungarian Empire.
이동연 I know that , but I think the designer was Hungarian if I'm not mistaken
Pale Lady Actually the designer of this rifle was born in Mainz, Grand Duchy of Hesse in Germany.
이동연 funny , ain't it ?
Pale Lady I know right! It’s so ironic.
BTW, it's not horrible because it's pink... For those snowflakes who might get triggered..
M1911 xd
First!