Why You Should ALWAYS Strap Your Ceiling
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Currently finishing strapping out my basement ceiling tonight. Great for led pot lights, pipes, and access panels. I’ve used a tons of your brilliant advice on my basement remodel. I’ve rewatched your basement videos many times. Your soffit idea want BRILLIANT! Thanks again Jeff
That is awesome! Cheers! Bri!
Because of you Jeff, I strapped my living room ceiling and it turned out looking great. My wife was shocked Lol
well done Mark!
My basement ceiling is already dry-walled but I think I might put strapping over it anyways because you made it look so easy
Question!! Do you frame the wall before you strap the ceiling?
I started strapping but it looks like it’s going to cause more trouble when I try to frame out the room
I just read through all the comments {before posting, and all my questions were answered} Jeff, good bless you for answering the same comments over&over and for putting up with us harry homeowners and armchair contractors
you said it -- don't overthink this, folks!! -- I needed to hear that.
thanks.
🤩 I’m not a contractor/builder, I was watching a renovation program and the guy was explaining new siding to be installed. He said, but 1st we have to do the strapping, I looked it up & here’s your video. Your EZ explanation filled my knowledge bank with something I’d not even heard b4🎉
Start from the beginning of the basement series and watch Soundproof Your Basement From Impact Noise👉🏼 ua-cam.com/play/PL34cQkzKfXWa2Ut7SGpMFRoWlUFt0ZA1r.html
Jeff what lenght of nail do you use to nail them? thanks :D !
I love your tutorials. Did I miss a video on drywall ceiling into roof trusses? I need to drywall my primary residence 2nd floor 24" oc roof trusses. I assume 1x3 strapping, one ring shaft nail(?) At each strap-truss connection??
2 1/8" , Cheers!
for 24"0c I would use a 1x4 and 2 screws at each location. I would also suggest using 5/8 drywall to keep kit from warping over time.
Don't exactly know why, but this is one of your most enjoyable videos for me. I'm finishing my basement, and often come back to this video when I'm second guessing myself or getting overwhelmed. It pumps me up, gets me back in the saddle. Thanks!
That’s awesome Tyler. Happy to help!
Great information - and on a side note, especially with today's technology, I would definitely take lots of photos and videos of any major house remodeling -- for your own reference or for the new buyers. I had remodeled two bathrooms at my parents house and took a huge amount of photos. The new buyers were beyond flabbergasted at the detail and could easily see the electrical and plumbing runs.
Absolutely!
Awesome stuff, thanks for posting. I am finishing my 1987 basement and this will be extremely useful, along with your other videos on framing walls, sub-flooring, vapor barriers, etc. Thanks so much.
Awesome, thank you! You are your best contractor! Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYsame. Prepping for Reno in several months. Didn't even think of this.
Nice! Now I know why my floor bounces when my wife walks on it! I thought she just needed to go on a diet! I'll be strapping my basement when I finish it in 2023!
Also a nice gap for mice to run about your ceiling and joists. We had strapping right above the bottom beam of the joist just opposite side of where you were putting it. A spray foam for roughly 16" thick of insulation between floors, double rock (going perpendicular to each other with an airspace) in the ceiling, and the soundproofing is beyond words you can't hear anybody drop anything up above you and from up above you can't hear anything going on beneath you - that I liked!
Literally just finished doing this same job myself and totally agree with Jeff. The ability to go in and add more cables for future ceiling speakers (if I choose to) is really handy.
Cheers Jack
Explain this to me. I do not understand why strapping aids in running cables other than that the wire would lay on the strapping instead of on the sheet rock if you ran the line perpendicular to the strapping. If you run the wire same direction as strapping how would this help at all?
@@quandt4847 I struggles with this too, I guess maybe you’d only have to punch a small hole in the drywall to fish the wires through and not have to go through the joists
Great video. Thanks again. Just having the knowledge, even if we don't do the job ourselves, it's so helpful to be sure the job(s) are done correctly by whom ever we are paying to do them.
Glad to help
Remember the end in the beginning.
Excellent.
Right on! Scrapping is a GREAT IDEA!
Cheers!
Love the enthusiasm and humor! I'm building a timberframe house in Belgium.
Sounds great! Cheers to Belgium!
I like your videos Jeff! Thank you!
Here in Massachusetts, USA, strapping has always been done on all ceilings since the dawn of time. Building/Electrical code even has a change in it to allow wires to be ran between the joist and the drywall. The ceiling basically becomes a huge chase for wiring if needed. It otherwise would not be allowed because there is not 1-1/4" of clearance between the nailing surface and the wiring.
We use ring-shank nails. 2 per joist. Not 1 like you show in the video.
In this video I was strapping to set up for a t and g wood plank ceiling. for drywall 2 nails are best to prohibit twisting and nail pops. Cheers!
This video is amazing! You answered all of my questions and answers that I never knew existed!
Great tip. I wish my whole house ceiling was strapped for lighting & wiring that always seems to change.
Ah, papa Jeff. Always bringing fun quick videos with a lotta satire and jokes because of experience. Gotta love to learn a lot by watching a quick video on a break, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Please make shirts that say "Perfect every time!" You're my new favourite building and renovation channel. I'm about to finish the basement on our new home and I'm doing it myself to get the best result.
THAT CEILING IS RAW
F me, it is RAAAR!
Wow, this is how you get production work done fast! When I added strapping to my ceiling, I didn't know about the spacer trick. Also, I used screws even though I have a nail gun. I was just being lazy because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of getting out the compressor. It's DIY for me, so luckily I'm not on a time budget. Great tips Jeff!
Cheers Robert!
For ceiling strapping screws are superior. For obvious reasons, ...gravity likes to pull stuff down and screws hold better against pulling forces.
Nothing lazy about using screws! They create a far superior assembly which will not pull out over time. There's essentially no risk of the screws breaking because the load is all tension, no shearing.
there is no shear force on a vertically installed nail. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I think you might have misread my post. 😉🍻
Spot on as always! I just demoed the finished part of my basement to start from scratch. I was contemplating whether or not to strap because ceiling height is already below 8’. Now I know it will be a mistake not too and what am I sacrificing? 3/4”
Okay my material list just got a couple hundred dollars bigger but WELL worth it!
Thanks!
Perfect timing. Heading out tomorrow to pick up material.
Great news. strapping is only 5/8 of an inch thick so you will have a wee bit of extra head room. LOL. Cheers!
Yeah, for basements under 8, you are sacrificing some headroom plus any additional inches you add to floor (insulating/vapor floor boards). Inches start mattering a lot. Running conduit everywhere might make more sense.
@@Lsidjejaickenw833 its 1200 sq ft of open space. I have been designing multiple concepts for over 2 years. Although I think I have a pretty good idea how it will be set up I might change my mind over time. Being able to fish speaker, broadband and electrical wire practically anywhere makes more sense by giving up less than an inch. Trust me. I know how much it already sucks having less than 8'. My last home had over 9' ceilings in the basement. I had such a sweet setup but we moved to a historic area where most homes are over 100 years old. I tried several companies to under pin my home but had no takers. Beggars cant be choosy. Gotta make due with what I have now.
@@Lsidjejaickenw833 my late husband was 6'4". Our basement when finished was 6'6". We put in recessed lighting, and used the rim joist on each end, and built the adjacent walls about 2 inches off the block to create a chase way for all the wires, plumbing, etc.
Waste of time and money.
100% right on how it contributes to reduced deflection. Made a huge difference with my TGIs!
In the states some parts of the country strap some parts do not strap. I know there are a lot of names for those lights. I think " Wafer Lights" best describes them. Great video as always.
I used strapping on my ceiling as well to hold my drywall. Drywall gives a better fire barrier and looks like another part of the house. People complain about not accessing things, but you can get spring loaded access panels for these items and can service things if needed. If you nail the strapping, use ringshanks to avoid anything loosening up! Another great video, Jeff!
exactly!
So happy I happened upon your channel.
As a new DIYer Jeff is smooth as a superhero 😂
I totally agree with everything you said, thank you for the video
Great...now I need a Ramsey burger. Great info. Made me feel good that I did it this summer and it wasn't a waste.
So good!
It is 9 feet from my walking basement slab up to the bottom of the upstairs floor joists. We live in the Southern U.S. where we added a basement bedroom & the contractor framed for the different rooms, bathroom, etc., but he also used the existing basement walls by running 2x4's across from the framing, cut to length and sandwiched between them and the walls. Those 2x4's were connected to the joists above with shorter 2x4 pieces. Sheetrocked attached to the 2x4 runners to make a lower ceiling. Your thoughts.....
this is the video that I needed! Thank you
This has been a very strapping video!
I was already ripping my strapping cause i thought it would be worse for drywall. Now, i know better! 😂 thanks👍
Thanks again Jeff
Cheers Alexander!
I like the ideas of strapping, although I’ve never done it. It seems like we use drywall screws to hang the drywall. Wouldn’t it be better to use screws to mount the strapping?
Definitely something I need to do before I install engineered floors. Thanks
cheers.
Adding 3/4" pine boards flat under the joists won't do much for the floor strength, the glued subfloor is doing that work, the engineered flooring if it is 3/4" is stronger than this strapping. The little gap for wires sounds nice, but don't forgot that's good for low voltage, but high voltage wires that close to the face of the sheetrock would always have metal strike plates to protect it. Unless you are hanging the sheetrock yourself I wouldn't trust a crew to not hit your can light wires.
Hadn’t thought about this, but I love it.
Cheers!
So glad you shot this video! I was always curious on why strapping was beneficial.
When is it necessary to install a vapor barrier? Is this something that needs to be done 100% of the time when finishing a basement?
Always run 6mm poly on exterior walls. Tape off all joints
Great videos Jeff! I'm considering putting a drywall ceiling in my garage. Would you recommend strapping since I am making an walkable attic space above with 1/2 inch ply. .?
thank you for the tips. I love your videos.
Quite the early Christmas gift Jeff, thanks!
You bet! got a video twice a week for the next few months. Cheers!
Your the greatest Jeff!!!
Cheers Bri!
Thank you, Father Beocca!
Really help mate I have a crack across my ceiling due to a long span I bet that's what I need to sort it
One thing to note as well, if you are willing to put in a small amount of more work, you get some rubber strips to place in between your 1x3 and floor joist and nail/screw through. You will isolate much of the sound coming from footsteps above if you do this.
I love your videos, I've learned so much from watching them. I would like to ask about drilling the holes in the drywal for pot lightingl-I saw you use the drill in reverse to begin-I'm a bit concerned that I'd do damage so thinking about making a mock setup to practice. Would this be your approach as a beginner? TIA!
I encourage drilling in reverse for beginners to avoid the hole saw running away from you. this was designed to give you the best chance of success. Cheers!
I just strapped my roof ceiling with membrain vapor barrier above it for zero penetrations through the barrier.. I used sealing tape at every strap screw I put in. Walls will be built after drywall is done on the ceiling. perfect barrier. Strapping was the only way I could fit the wafer lights in the ceiling without having to cut into the barrier.
My 1940 house had strapping from the beginning. But the sheetrock was 2x4 strips with 1/2" of plaster on top. Not really sure why they did it. But i like it and duplicated with the new addition and remodel. Foes make some lighting and duct work a bit challenging.
Probably reduces cracks. I have zero cracks in my house to this day.
Thanks for this! I am wondering what nail type is recommended for this application?
Besides spreading the load out, which preserves the integrity of the drywall joints over the life of the house, the other big reason is you can nullify structural brackets and any other protrusions (less than 3/4 inch) from bulging out the sheetrock.
Fixing any 16 oc layout issues is also a significant (and common) plus to Strapping.
Snapping lines every 4-8 ft is good practice for large rooms (greater than 16 ft or so), so your 16 oc doesn't get out of whack with the spacer block.
Great video though. (Also should stagger the joints for the furring strips).
Dang, furthermore if necessary Strapping can be leveled with shims or spacers for floor/ceiling joints that are out of plane.
He was using floor trusses with a 3.5" screwing surface. You'd have to have some of the worst framers in history to not have adequate surface area to attach drywall. Do what you want, but his reasoning on why to put up strapping had nothing to do with logic.
@@darinvee4980 That doesn't necessarily address layout issues, where the joists layout flip 90 degrees, which is common. Also sometimes there's angle brackets and stuff sticking down even from those floor trusses. And while those engineered floor trusses are quite firm, any deflection forces without strapping goes right into the sheetrock (negligible in this case, probably, but not with maximum length joists (whatever that may be; 16+ ft)).
Agree, that if there's ever a time where strapping can be skipped it's with those engineered floor trusses. Other considerations may still apply.
or... NO strapping
@@tredogzs I'm doing a house right now that has 4 rooms with beams, brackets and long crowned ceiling hosts.
Strapping is necessary.
Though people are free to do hack work if they want. Have fun with that.
@@chrisroyuri Your particular situation is not any comparison to this video. He is in new construction with engineered floor trusses. They are used because they are uniform and do not have long crowns or other defects. The use of strapping in this video is just a waste. No logical reason to do it for this project.
Could you do a video on how to stringline and level your strapping
Hey thanks for this. I am actually going to be strapping my ceiling soon. Would construction screws be an option instead of nails. Online community is divided. Nails are faster but screws "won't pop out". Is nails the correct answer and is it worth buying a framing nailer to do it? Not that I don't want more tools I try to put it down as "necessary" on the list of a couple projects before my SO notices I have a tool problem.
trick when strapping offset each row of strapping so that all the seams don't line up this adds more structural integrity and reduces the chance of ceiling cracking
As someone lives in rural Colorado mountains, I tore down my basement ceiling and insulation because of mice ! In rural mountains these mice seek warmth and were so destructive chewing holes to get in the house and would run all over the basement ceiling and insulation creating their own warm village. It was best to rip it down so could put traps so they couldn't have place to hide and thrive.
Muito boa sua explicacao
good idea
Great Video.
The strapping you are using (3 x 1?) seems very flexible in itself?
Would not 3 x 2 be better, or am i getting it all wrong here?
Sound advice. I have an unfinished basement... I added a section of drywall to the ceiling without strapping a few years ago... the light pops out an inch, and now I want to do the rest, I do actually have to take down all the drywall I put up and do it right. Wish I saw this 5 years ago.
Just finish it as it is. Why do all that extra work? I've hung shit loads of drywall over the yrs and never once did I hang a sheet on a strapped ceiling or wall. If you've that far that's how new houses are built. If you're worried put some more screws in each sheet and it'll never sag especially if you screwed off 5/8 sheets
I mean this is pretty good. Strapping doesn't add strength or distribute load to adjacent joints, and squeaking won't occur anyway because the subfloor is also glued, but all in all this is a pretty good video. (Construction professional)
Second that, no strength added. Strapping will only act to help prevent the beam from twisting, but not sagging or bouncing. Only adding blocking between joists actually transfers the load from one joist to another...but only if it is done right and tight. No loose fitting blocks and don't space them out too far. Old homes with 8" joists benefit from closer spacing to firm up the floor.
Journeyman carpenter here, agree with you, strapping really only serves an aesthetic purpose, it helps you install different finish materials more flatly and get away from protrusions, aside from that it does nothing
seems to me that it is optimistic to assume strapping makes it 3 times stronger as mentioned at 1:28
@@jwiereng its optimistic to say it adds any strength at all
@@chrisc5334 Ya, it this was true, you would see the engineer calling for straps and save $$ by allowing for smaller joists or smaller floor trusses
Just a note: adding strapping does not make your floor "3x as strong". Might not of meant that literally, but def not true.
Thanks for this. Great idea for making electric retrofits easier. I didn’t catch what strapping material. Is it 1x3? 2x?
I used 1 x 3. you could use 1x4 to make it easier to drywall but then use 2 nails to install. if you have old dimensional lumber then upgrade to 2x4 if it is only 2x8 joists.
Love your videos. Thank you! Renovating a basement from a 1937 build. Ceilings and walls have strapping on them already. It’s 1/2” actual thickness, and varies from 6 inches to 10 inches wide. Would you recommend keeping that up (have to remove screws from previous drywall) or removing and putting in uniform 1”x3” strapping with 16” oc spacing?
Sounds like they were straightening floor/ceiling joists out if they were using stock that wide. Wouldn't lose that strength by replacing with 1x3 stock. If you need a nailer in a spot or two, just add additional strapping. Just my 2 cents
What gauge nails do you use to attach strapping?
Never knew this!
I believe that things will turn out a little nicer if you take the time to measure and cut the strapping so your but joints will land on the joists and staggering the joints will also reduce problems with drywall cracks. Screws or ring shank nails
the drywall runs contrary to the strapping so there are no butt joints. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY again, wouldn't you want strapping butt joints to land on joists? You wouldn't need to worry about the backside splint.
I think he's saying the drywall is long enough that there's no butt joint... Like a 12' sheet makes it across the whole bay.
@@nbco55 ok, 12 x ? I do believe you will have butt joint, no?
I meant that the cut of the strapping was a but cut it is not mitered .Cheers!
I am sure he can use any brand....but craftsman is a serious brand now I have some of the newest and they are very good.
Can you do this over an old saggy drywall ceiling before putting new drywall over it?
I want to do this, but have a specific circumstance that I want to accommodate a 5/8" thick strapping. Do you think ripping 5/8 plywood and using that would be suitable to hold drywall?
Very nice... do you put the vapor barrier after the strapping?
Informative
so if I am planning an addition over my garage, and I am currently planning on installing drywall to my garage ceiling, should I add strapping prior to installing the drywall ceiling?
Was iffy at first but good logic. Thank you for the vid. 🙏
Hi Jeff, I have a new house I just finished my strapping. Was I supposed to put a vapor barrier up?
I would consider this as a retrofit to an existing finished out garage
….prefinishing the boards (paint, stain, or texture) though somewhat & then nailing them into place over the existing drywall ceiling.
Can you use Resilient Channel as strapping? I'm finishing up my walls with channel in my basement home theater build. I even strapped the front wall for a flat projection surface. I've already run speaker and lighting wire, but I was going to run channel for additional sound proofing and to hold the rockwool safe-n-sound batting. No RC means I get the maximum height. RC means I lose 1/2 inch in the ceiling when my ceiling is already height challenged. Adding RC and strapping would lose slightly over an inch and I can't really afford that for my ATMOS ceiling speakers.
would resilient channel take the place of the strapping if building a music studio? or would we strap, then channel the other way, then drywall? I would love if you answered this quickly, I'm trying to source for my home that should be done April 24! Thanks
As an electrician I don't know how much more it costs to do this, but I'm absolutely certain it costs FAR less having me cut a trench along your ceiling to run a new circuit then have to get it patched later.
say that. Cheers!
As an electrician you should know this provides zero mechanicsl protection. Would you run wire thru the strapping between the trusses and the roof plywood.
@@geoduct As an electrician I know this is not about protecting wires. It makes it possible to fish between studs without having to cut open the ceiling.
Can you do this in a crawl space to help with floor flexion?
Hey. DO you strap the ceiling before you frame the walls?
If part of the benefit is to relieve tension on the nails in the flooring above would it be helpful to rent a screw gun and use a fastener stronger in tension loads for the strapping? Or would it not really matter?
that is over thinking it a bit. just giving the deflection a bit of a resistance is more than enough. Cheers!
Definitely a plus when trying to find the fastening point 👉 lol yeah I'll find the 2x4 eventually 😅
say that!
I'm trying to drywall the ceiling of the main floor of my house (with only an attic crawlspace above it). Is strapping necessary? Also there already is some strapping from the current ceiling tiles that I want to remove, should I just leave what's already in place? Thanks for the video!
Good for new construction and modern homes. But there’s so many of us older houses with limited height basement ceilings.
I use the same system when I install tongue and groove pine
Sure would like to find a video showing where/how insulation is placed around heating runs. I see here that a thin layer of insulation is put under the run. Is any insulation put between the tube/run and the floor?
You use the battens to straighten the ceiling as well. Also is there a nail shortage in the United States? I'd generally put more than one nail in haha!
I’m finishing a back room and was planning on just attaching the drywall to the floor joists - until I saw a previous video about strapping from your channel.
Question : do furring strips work for a small back room strapping ?
anything to change the direction of the drywall installation to avoid a butt joint is a good thing. Cheers!
working on my house built in the late 40's early 50's the ceiling from floor to joist is 8' 1 1/2". been taking out old sheet rock in each room as i go. updating electrical with 14/2 for lights, 12/2 for outlets. adding insulation in all exterior walls. would you still add strapping with the possibility of cutting all the wall sheet rock on the walls. by the way love your video's learning alot on my house repair and updating.
I put strapping everywhere. especially when there is dimensional lumber floor joists!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY thanks for answer and info
Hey Jeff, what is the size and lenght of you're nails that you are using?
It's likely you won't answer until I've already moved on but should I be adding blocking on the ends where there's no joist for either end of the strapping to attach to? It's not looking like you did in the videos I'm checking but I'm wondering how long is too long for the ends to not be supported. The wall drywall will help support the ends too but I'm just trying to cover my bases.
Hey do you do drywall on the walls first then? If you do ceiling first there'd be no mod to plate left to screw into.
Jeff, I plan to use Sonopan sound board ,then rc plus resilient Channel with 2 layers of 5/8 drywall, should I strap the ceiling first?
Which way should the resilient channel run in relationship to the floor joists?
Thanks
Mike
Hi Mike, Yes! I actually did a theater room in this basement. we strapped and then sonopan and then strapped with 2x3 again and then 5/8. this gave us a perfect seal and a chase to add potlights without breaking the sonopan layer. the end result was fantastic. of course we also used 2 layers of fiberglass r20 and only 1 layer of 5/8. Not perfect since the room shares a trunk line with the room above but that video will be coming out i the new year. It all depends on the level of sound protection you want.
What type and brand nailer are you using - thanks
I needed this 5 months ago =(
Oh well, now, I know for next time.
What size strapping and nails are you using? Thanks
best wood to use for strapping
Strapping will add structural stability? I would love to see where that info came from.
an engineer. Cheers!
Interesting choice of Craftsman tools! Was that a sponsor/ gift?
Another benefit to strapping is that it will level out the ceiling if the joists are not perfectly level.
I started framing in 78’ in the NW. suburbs of Chicago. Strapping was never done and all the sheetrocker’s I’ve ever talked to you about it hate the idea because it screws up the wall heights. Besides, with the widespread use of engineered floor joists, deflection deflection is no longer an issue. So, for the extra time and material cost, it’s just not worth it.