I would be careful with this. The balance I've gained from practicing manual did helped me to push the bars consistently. I agree that the impulse is the only necessary part, also that weight shift too far back is the downside but that Impulse comes much easy when you practiced manual already.
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@@SunSnowGravity Well I started learning bunnyhops by sort of alternating between manualing and (trying to!) bunny hoping. I can already, sort-of, do manuals. Bunny hops I can not at all do! And I believe that I was always too far back, trying to basically manual when trying to hop. When I just did what I thought I should do, it went better than with the manual technique.
@ true, I had the same execution path, first going too far to the back before learning it. The manual impulse it's a gain which I profited a lot for the bunnyhop, that's why I still see manual as helpful.
"With a little bit of practice"... or in my case with 9 months of practicing approximately every other day for 30-45 minutes at a time (that was to get to hopping 20" with good form).
This might sound weird, but the motion of pushing with the legs, with the mass of your body behind your saddle and over your rear axle, also helps to raise the front wheel (as you're kind of forcing your rear wheel forwards and underneath your rising front wheel). A lot of learners (me!) get stuck with just trying to muscle the front end up with arms and backwards body weight. But, driving your legs really helps... and is essential to the next phase of lift off anyway! Every phase is connected. Getting the wheel up without that fluid transition to the leg drive is where most people falter on their progression. (Also me!)
I think you are the first legit MTB rider who accurately describes what makes the back wheel rise up. So many riders claim they 'scoop" the back wheel up with their feet which is totally ludicrous when the reality is it's simply Newton's first and 2nd law of motion in action which generates the rotation needed to lift the rear up. The feets have zero ability to "scoop" up the tires on flat pedals. All the feet does is accelerate up to get out of the way allowing the rear to rise as the bike rotates about the front wheel. Thank you for not claiming you "scoop" the back up. Also thank you for not claiming you need to practice lifting the rear up. The physics of popping the rear up is not the same physics that lifts the rear in a bunny hop. So no, you do not need to practice popping up the rear to bunny hop. So glad to see someone who is a legit beast on an MTB properly explain the bunny hop.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss It is so awesome to have a legend such as yourself squashing these ludicrous teachings! It gives it more credibility because no one's going to say, "Jeff can barely bunny hop so what does he know." You have mad skills and to hear you shut down these crazy ideas and confirm that all things must conform to the laws of physics is probably reverveberating through the biking community like an earthquake. It's all these crazy non-sensical teachings that make it hard to learn things. The problem is people think they are an expert once they start to acquire a few skills. They think MTB is all skills and no physics when MTB is nothing but all physics like everything around us. The skills we acquire are just our brains and muscles syncing so we can obey these physical laws. When we fail to obey, bad things happen. Newton's first law is probably the one that comes to mind most often, be it slamming into a tree or endowing over the bars on a jump. Again, so awesome to hear a legend of the MTB community teaching it correctly!
I like that you’re using a hardtail. A lot of beginners are riding hard tails, myself included. The preloading phase looks different on a full suspension with the rear shock, it always throws me off since I can’t make my bike as bouncy.
the suspension, if you havent yet learnt how to use it, can actually work against u and make it harder. when i started manualling ad bunnyhopping my dirt jumper, it felt super different to my dual sus. then when i went back to my dual sus, it took a while to get used to the suspension squish, even after like 2 weeks of riding my DJ. when i did adjust back though, i was making waaaaaay more height. hardtails teach you better technique coz u cant just bounce on the suspension.
Your video is the 🔑 to my 🐰 hop 🔐! All the videos out there teach the "manual method" which put my weight to far back. Been trying for a year with no real progress. I tried to stay more centered after watching your video, and I had my first real bunny hop within 5 minutes. It wasn't good, but I now have something tangible to practice!
This is one technique I really need to work on. When I was half my age I could bunny hop close to 30" (I had made a rack with 1" increments to practice with). I had quit mountain biking for almost ten years and have lost a bit of my ability, now at 54 years old I am back into riding trails like I use to.
54?? I still had pimples when I was 54. I'm now 69 and crushing it. Not doing any of that magic that Jeff does as I am primarily a cross country rider but slowly delving into some of the tricks Jeff is teaching us. No reason one can't continue to ride with exuberance when you are 70 or even 80. Once you hang up your spurs for a year it's difficult to get your mojo back. note; I know an 85 year old mountain bike be rider.
I feel attacked in these last few video releases😂. Completely different view of how to do learn these skills - bunny hop, wheelie, etc.. well done Jeff!
Amazing to see one of the trials OG’s still doing tutorials 😬🤘🏽Remember the Evolve days 💪🏽 Came here by looking for “Ribble HT 725 bunny hop”. I come from a bmx background (after trials) and can hop my bmx about 2” above bar. But I feel itll be a whole new learning curve on a 27.5! Thanks for the mtb tips, excited for when the Ribble gets delivered 😬
If you blended this vid with Phil Metts’ it would be an amazing guide. The two together have really helped me with my hops! Thanks for all the amazing content.
I learned the hopping both wheels together mistake the hard way, hopped over a teeny drop, about a metre, maybe less, clipped the back tyre on the edge and took a brutal OTB
I’m stuck on the second part where I can get my front tire up but the back feels like 1000 pounds and won’t come off the ground. In these videos people make it look so easy!!!
I love your sharing very much, however, are you able to share a step by step for newbies like myself? Got into this a little late but I am pumped watching all these
Do You bunny hop off the face of bike park style jumps? I rode park for the first time last year. On My last run, I almost had the rear wheel go over My head!
You missed an important step in the bunny-hop : the way you must position your shoes on the pedals ( pointing to the ground ) + the leg movement in order to lift the back wheel off the ground. Without these key elements, the bike doesn't just "follow the upward movement as you pull on the handebars". Thx !
When Jeff gets really high, it looks like he's doing the opposite (pointing his heels down). I had to re-watch the slow-mo of him jumping several times, and I think that's what he's doing (heels down) . Correct me if I'm wrong. I run into this mistake @2:02 when I point my toes down.
you're pointing your toes down at the begining of the scooping motion that lifts your back wheel off the ground. When you brought your back wheel up, your pedals are flat & level, or even heel down, as you are in a crouching position with your back wheel close to your bottom :)
It went together easily in less than an hour. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
Hi! Jeff. Thanks for the awesome videos as usual. One thing I noticed even from the part when you set the world record (ON A HARDTAIL) then is that I don't see much of a preload. First, how much do you recommend the front shock be opened, HALF WAY? When I was 18 on a rigid bike, I mastered the English bunny hop after considerable practice, I was able to clear 3 feet lengthways easy. Now at 50, I recently bought a 2nd hand full suspension Specialized bike and it has taken a lot of getting used to. This bike has a separate "Brain" on the rear suspension which I can easily adjust to make the rear suspension firmer even to become a hard tail. I now want to make a bunny hopping bar with 1" increments from the Ali Clarkson video. I have also watched other videos with the "row and anti-row technique" which is what you really do but my question(s) remains the same, how much of a preload do you really need and how much should the front shock be opened because if its fully opened it's just too spongy to preload properly! (2) In my case, do you recommend me setting the brain to be completly firm like a hard tail or from your experience does a "normal" full suspension bike bunny hop as good as a hard tail with the SAME amount of effort? I, and other viewers I am sure thank you for your response especially to num 2. Looking forward to your response and your other videos to come. Thank you. Take care.
Hey Roger, Firming up your suspension can definitely help but I tend to use the same settings all the time. When I rode mostly trials my front fork was REALLY stiff though. My point is, it can help but I usually don't fiddle around too much. Rear suspension plays a HUGE factor in bunnyhopping. Hopping a squishy bike takes a longer more deliberate preload because you want to have a firmer base once you start springing up on your feet. If you only pressed down quickly most of the energy would be absorbed by the softest most squishy part of your suspension. Does that help?
Thanks for the video, Jeff! How much is your bike weight? It would be impossible for me to lift the bike as you do at 4:03, and I'm not a weak person exactly, you seem to lift your bike effortlessly.
So, you are doing a full preload on both tires, but the difference is that you are lifting up your front wheel pulling back your hands, bending elbows, then you straighten them while bending knees. WOW... ok
Hey Jeff Good tips i can onsistently bhop about 20 inches with my seat up from a manual but cant seam to get any higher do you think the manual position ie way back then up is hindering my height ?
Good information, but a couple thing: Your speech volume is really low and you sound really far away. The "please subscribe" thing only needs to be said once. Seeing it pop up multiple times is absolutely obnoxious, as is explicitly repeating it rather than coming up with a more fluid way of integrating it.
Whenever I come across people lying across the trail, bunny hop is my go-to
I favour a bump jump in that situation :D
Lol
Unless there rangers i just wheelie into them let the chainring do the work ha ha
Nah I prefer to just roll that.
That makes no sense. You have to BRAKE so you can steal their wallet.
Finally, someone saying that a manual is NOT the right way to start a bunny hop! I soon realized this by myself.
Now I don’t have that excuse either!
Lee Mccormack said the same thing.
I would be careful with this. The balance I've gained from practicing manual did helped me to push the bars consistently. I agree that the impulse is the only necessary part, also that weight shift too far back is the downside but that Impulse comes much easy when you practiced manual already.
@@SunSnowGravity Well I started learning bunnyhops by sort of alternating between manualing and (trying to!) bunny hoping. I can already, sort-of, do manuals. Bunny hops I can not at all do! And I believe that I was always too far back, trying to basically manual when trying to hop.
When I just did what I thought I should do, it went better than with the manual technique.
@ true, I had the same execution path, first going too far to the back before learning it. The manual impulse it's a gain which I profited a lot for the bunnyhop, that's why I still see manual as helpful.
"With a little bit of practice"... or in my case with 9 months of practicing approximately every other day for 30-45 minutes at a time (that was to get to hopping 20" with good form).
This might sound weird, but the motion of pushing with the legs, with the mass of your body behind your saddle and over your rear axle, also helps to raise the front wheel (as you're kind of forcing your rear wheel forwards and underneath your rising front wheel). A lot of learners (me!) get stuck with just trying to muscle the front end up with arms and backwards body weight. But, driving your legs really helps... and is essential to the next phase of lift off anyway! Every phase is connected. Getting the wheel up without that fluid transition to the leg drive is where most people falter on their progression. (Also me!)
Absolutely
I think you are the first legit MTB rider who accurately describes what makes the back wheel rise up. So many riders claim they 'scoop" the back wheel up with their feet which is totally ludicrous when the reality is it's simply Newton's first and 2nd law of motion in action which generates the rotation needed to lift the rear up. The feets have zero ability to "scoop" up the tires on flat pedals. All the feet does is accelerate up to get out of the way allowing the rear to rise as the bike rotates about the front wheel. Thank you for not claiming you "scoop" the back up. Also thank you for not claiming you need to practice lifting the rear up. The physics of popping the rear up is not the same physics that lifts the rear in a bunny hop. So no, you do not need to practice popping up the rear to bunny hop. So glad to see someone who is a legit beast on an MTB properly explain the bunny hop.
Thanks! Glad that helped explain it.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss It is so awesome to have a legend such as yourself squashing these ludicrous teachings! It gives it more credibility because no one's going to say, "Jeff can barely bunny hop so what does he know." You have mad skills and to hear you shut down these crazy ideas and confirm that all things must conform to the laws of physics is probably reverveberating through the biking community like an earthquake. It's all these crazy non-sensical teachings that make it hard to learn things. The problem is people think they are an expert once they start to acquire a few skills. They think MTB is all skills and no physics when MTB is nothing but all physics like everything around us. The skills we acquire are just our brains and muscles syncing so we can obey these physical laws. When we fail to obey, bad things happen. Newton's first law is probably the one that comes to mind most often, be it slamming into a tree or endowing over the bars on a jump. Again, so awesome to hear a legend of the MTB community teaching it correctly!
You should get back on a trials bike and make a video about it. Would love to see what you can still do.
I like that you’re using a hardtail. A lot of beginners are riding hard tails, myself included. The preloading phase looks different on a full suspension with the rear shock, it always throws me off since I can’t make my bike as bouncy.
the suspension, if you havent yet learnt how to use it, can actually work against u and make it harder. when i started manualling ad bunnyhopping my dirt jumper, it felt super different to my dual sus. then when i went back to my dual sus, it took a while to get used to the suspension squish, even after like 2 weeks of riding my DJ. when i did adjust back though, i was making waaaaaay more height. hardtails teach you better technique coz u cant just bounce on the suspension.
Your video is the 🔑 to my 🐰 hop 🔐! All the videos out there teach the "manual method" which put my weight to far back. Been trying for a year with no real progress. I tried to stay more centered after watching your video, and I had my first real bunny hop within 5 minutes. It wasn't good, but I now have something tangible to practice!
Your "Why You Suck At....." Series is fantastic!!
Thank you Leon!
I get a chuckle at this. Great tips. I am 54 years old , I remember this being the first thing to learn on a bike at nine years old. Great video.
This is one technique I really need to work on. When I was half my age I could bunny hop close to 30" (I had made a rack with 1" increments to practice with). I had quit mountain biking for almost ten years and have lost a bit of my ability, now at 54 years old I am back into riding trails like I use to.
Awesome! Make another bunnyhop bar.
54?? I still had pimples when I was 54. I'm now 69 and crushing it. Not doing any of that magic that Jeff does as I am primarily a cross country rider but slowly delving into some of the tricks Jeff is teaching us. No reason one can't continue to ride with exuberance when you are 70 or even 80. Once you hang up your spurs for a year it's difficult to get your mojo back. note; I know an 85 year old mountain bike be rider.
Do it…!!!
I started Mtb at 54 about 3 years ago
I'm a beginner at age 66, after years of road biking. Still learning and trying not to bounce off the forest floor too often.
I feel attacked in these last few video releases😂. Completely different view of how to do learn these skills - bunny hop, wheelie, etc.. well done Jeff!
Amazing to see one of the trials OG’s still doing tutorials 😬🤘🏽Remember the Evolve days 💪🏽
Came here by looking for “Ribble HT 725 bunny hop”. I come from a bmx background (after trials) and can hop my bmx about 2” above bar. But I feel itll be a whole new learning curve on a 27.5! Thanks for the mtb tips, excited for when the Ribble gets delivered 😬
thanks jeff
Thanks for the tips! Can you please break down the mechanics of a nollie?
I can work on that one
If you blended this vid with Phil Metts’ it would be an amazing guide. The two together have really helped me with my hops! Thanks for all the amazing content.
I learned the hopping both wheels together mistake the hard way, hopped over a teeny drop, about a metre, maybe less, clipped the back tyre on the edge and took a brutal OTB
did you check out the drop video?
Wow, thanks Boss Jeff
I had the same problem with my weight to far back, no one in other videos said this. Thank you very much for this video!
Thank you!
I definitely have the issue hopping both tires at the same time. I ride clipped in. Thanks for the tip on pull the bars back to my hips!
I’m stuck on the second part where I can get my front tire up but the back feels like 1000 pounds and won’t come off the ground.
In these videos people make it look so easy!!!
First time I've seen something that recognises the 'too far back (manual) set-up'. That would be me!
I love your sharing very much, however, are you able to share a step by step for newbies like myself? Got into this a little late but I am pumped watching all these
Whoa man!!!! Your tips are right no the money, again, you mention stuff that is key, but no other videos talk about.
Hey Im a fan of your 'never bunny hop again' video when it 1st came out! I mostly use the pedal hop n punch technique on trails. Thanks mate!
LOL, I still prefer the Punch!
I don't suck at it anymore but I still need and like your video 🤟
Great vid! Lots of valuable tips, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching
Great little video !! ✌🏼
Please do tutorial. How to lift back tire om hardtail...
Great video Jeff. This series is awesome
Thanks Dan!
Just subscribed 👌🏽
Thank you!
Thank you for a good lesson, would you please share your bike model?
awesome video, going to practice this tomorrow!
Lets Go! Going to start working on this. Thank you
Thanks Jeff this really helps!
Yes 🎉🎉
Way to find another thing I suck at Jeff !
Thanks for tutorial
POP IT AND HOPPITT!!
Do You bunny hop off the face of bike park style jumps? I rode park for the first time last year. On My last run, I almost had the rear wheel go over My head!
Check out my previous video on Jumping.
The name of the video is the best part😂lol
Is it wrong to jump first than lift your front wheel then pushing the bars forward ? Or i need to left front wheel than jump
I can only jump over sidewalk borders: 10-30sh cm. But I would like to jump over longer objects like a log for example. What can I do? More speed?
I take all these tips are applicable on a cross bike too, correct?
In Texas we bunny hop danger noodles. Or you can hit it and piss it off for the rider behind you.
Man, you sure know everything I suck at!
I think you forgot a link to your Facebook?
I’ll edit the description!
You missed an important step in the bunny-hop : the way you must position your shoes on the pedals ( pointing to the ground ) + the leg movement in order to lift the back wheel off the ground.
Without these key elements, the bike doesn't just "follow the upward movement as you pull on the handebars".
Thx !
+1 I was struggling to learn for weeks untill i found video that actually mentioned it
When Jeff gets really high, it looks like he's doing the opposite (pointing his heels down). I had to re-watch the slow-mo of him jumping several times, and I think that's what he's doing (heels down) . Correct me if I'm wrong. I run into this mistake @2:02 when I point my toes down.
you're pointing your toes down at the begining of the scooping motion that lifts your back wheel off the ground.
When you brought your back wheel up, your pedals are flat & level, or even heel down, as you are in a crouching position with your back wheel close to your bottom :)
Do you still have all your old trials frame s for back in the day would love to see all your bike parts and frame s
why doesn't your computer like "s" connected to "frame" frames vs frame s
It went together easily in less than an hour. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
Nice vid as always jeff. Question : did martyn ashton beat your bunnyhop record? Thanks
I'm not sure if Martyn ever did, but lots of new school guys have since.
I've almost got bunny hopping down, just need to figure the part out where I "get the bike off the ground and into the air."
Hi! Jeff. Thanks for the awesome videos as usual. One thing I noticed even from the part when you set the world record (ON A HARDTAIL) then is that I don't see much of a preload. First, how much do you recommend the front shock be opened, HALF WAY? When I was 18 on a rigid bike, I mastered the English bunny hop after considerable practice, I was able to clear 3 feet lengthways easy. Now at 50, I recently bought a 2nd hand full suspension Specialized bike and it has taken a lot of getting used to. This bike has a separate "Brain" on the rear suspension which I can easily adjust to make the rear suspension firmer even to become a hard tail. I now want to make a bunny hopping bar with 1" increments from the Ali Clarkson video. I have also watched other videos with the "row and anti-row technique" which is what you really do but my question(s) remains the same, how much of a preload do you really need and how much should the front shock be opened because if its fully opened it's just too spongy to preload properly!
(2) In my case, do you recommend me setting the brain to be completly firm like a hard tail or from your experience does a "normal" full suspension bike bunny hop as good as a hard tail with the SAME amount of effort? I, and other viewers I am sure thank you for your response especially to num 2.
Looking forward to your response and your other videos to come. Thank you.
Take care.
Hey Roger, Firming up your suspension can definitely help but I tend to use the same settings all the time. When I rode mostly trials my front fork was REALLY stiff though. My point is, it can help but I usually don't fiddle around too much. Rear suspension plays a HUGE factor in bunnyhopping. Hopping a squishy bike takes a longer more deliberate preload because you want to have a firmer base once you start springing up on your feet. If you only pressed down quickly most of the energy would be absorbed by the softest most squishy part of your suspension. Does that help?
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Thanks Jeff! Yep, it does! Stiff it will be front and back. Will get to making that bopping bar. Hope your week goes well.
Looks like Harris Lake
It was!
hey jeff, what frame is that? looks great, good tips
Here ya go!
reebcycles.com/bikes/mountain/redikyelous/
Thanks for the video, Jeff! How much is your bike weight? It would be impossible for me to lift the bike as you do at 4:03, and I'm not a weak person exactly, you seem to lift your bike effortlessly.
You should go back and measure that big hop from CR3 some day, that must have been some kind of record too.
That was probably 50 inches but it’s easier going onto something
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss I say it was bigger than that. Where was it, maybe I can find it on Google maps or something?
😍😍😍
that bike looks soo good!? what is it?
Most likely his Reeb Redikyelous. Really nice bikes
That’s my signature bike from Reeb called the ReDikyelous
what you doin at Harris Lake County Park?
1:25 You say start out centered but you're not. Your butt is over the rear axle, way behind the seat when starting (frame 1:27)
anyone have the link to the facebook group?
Waiiit i need flat pedals?
they definitely help!
So, you are doing a full preload on both tires, but the difference is that you are lifting up your front wheel pulling back your hands, bending elbows, then you straighten them while bending knees. WOW... ok
Hey Jeff Good tips i can onsistently bhop about 20 inches with my seat up from a manual but cant seam to get any higher do you think the manual position ie way back then up is hindering my height ?
seem vs seam
Voo doo!
Shit Jeff, first you told me I suck at wheelies, now I suck at bunny hops. Where do you get off??
………for the record, I do suck at both.
bro u need to make longer vids
Some are some aren’t. It depends on how much there is to talk about. Make sure you’re subscribed
Did you have to say reverse-row because Lee has trademarked anti-row 🙂
Fawking help me!
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Look how easy he lifted the bike, i can t do that.
Just only this trick im ok.
Good information, but a couple thing:
Your speech volume is really low and you sound really far away.
The "please subscribe" thing only needs to be said once. Seeing it pop up multiple times is absolutely obnoxious, as is explicitly repeating it rather than coming up with a more fluid way of integrating it.
thanks for the input!
Wait a minute... How did you know I sucked at bunnyhops?
lol
broke a roscoe 8 doing this :/
This guy hops. Amirite?
Kind of a bragger
lol