Why this Snare Drum DESTROYS all Pretenders
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- Опубліковано 28 бер 2024
- Find out why this is the greatest snare drum ever made. Why do all other snares COWER in its presence? In future videos, we will go into great depth at how to recreate this sound without selling one of your superfluous organs like I did.
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I have one of these and can 100% confirm that this is a stunning drum. It simultaneously has the best low end AND top end crack in one drum I've ever heard. I've lusted after this sound for years and this snare delivers in spades!
It’s ridiculous! And I haven’t even done my normal tweaks to maximize its awesomeness… Have you recorded with it yet? One thing that has come up, which I expected, having other bell brass snares, is that when tracking, afterwards I need to strip silence the kick mics so the snare doesn’t bleed egregiously into them, it’s so loud, but so GLORIOUS!!
How much you pay?when did you get it? I'm.not.too In the know, but I'd have to guess that like 15 years ago, you could get one for like, a grand, maybe a little more.sorta like the price on any high end snare currently, usually like somewhere in the 8-14 range
@@NintenDub $4k for the 40th Anniversary, $4k for the 50th Anniversary, $2200 for the Dialtune, $2k for the Savage 14x8, $1k for the Ludwig, $550 for the Trick Copper Free Floater… keep in mind in 1980, the Terminator cost $3300, which in 2024 money is just over $12k!!!
@@BeatsAndMeatsyou could get a really nice car in 1980 for 3,300 👀 And I like the Acrolite Snare way better than that Ludwig and the 402 as well but I’m going for a higher pitched drum.
@@williamperri3437 14x8 snare drums sound great tuned up really high. They still have a ton of body which makes it sound not so pingy… almost like you have a snare room sample behind it. But the Acrolite is definitely a sound that some people love, which is totally fine! What a boring world it would be if everyone had the exact same snare
great work !
The snare drum that Nicko mcbrain had made for him when he went to premier drums in the early/mid 90s is the absolute boss of all the bosses when it comes to a heavy metal snare drum, he's had sonor remake it and sell it as his signature snare drum and when he left and became part of the British drum company he had a remake again with a variation in the way the drum is made ( essentially it's been the same type of drum on every single album from fear of the dark to senjitsu )
Please take a listen to the recordings made of the last tour , I think you might change your mind when you truly hear it .
What kind of Sonor snare drum was he using?
saw your post on facebook and wanted to check out your video
love the editing!
Thank you thank you thank you!!
You have a nice snare collection. I don't record much so i wouldn't need a really high end snare drum. When I play live I'll use my rogers powertone brass shell from the 60s. I also have a Yamaha stage custom birch kit. The snare is super nasty. Or my modified ludwig vistalite snare. It's loud, bright, and cuts like no other.
Exactly! If you’re not recording regularly, there’s no need for something like this… and I’ve only played a Ludwig Vistalite kick, 22x14 I think, and it sounded killer!
Rogers Dynasonic snare drum holds the title.
I was under the assumption that the Ludwig Supraphonic was on the most records
The Supraphonic is definitely on the most records, but the Copperphonic wasn’t released until 2016. The Copperphonic sounds so much better than the Supra, it’s not even close… and the 14x8 Copperphonic is indeed the best drum they have ever made.
Black beauty. Coliseum. I have 50s cob.pre serial as good as the Tama have a hammered bronze as good. Tama excellent tho.
@@robertdemaree2165 Too zingy, at least for modern recordings. The Pearl Black Beauty clone, I think its the Steve Ferrone signature model, has better hardware, WAY BETTER throwoff, better edges, more consistent manufacturing, looks better, plays better... still can't hold the jockstrap of the Copperphonic
Ludwig 400 from the 80s onwards was the linn drum
Great demo!🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Nice demo, liked the copperphonic best.
And can I just say, no offense to your drumming intended, thank God I'm not your neighbor. LOL!
I have never liked Ludwig snares, too zingy for my taste. But that Copperphonic is incredible. Definitely their crown jewel! As for my neighbors… I’ve done a decent job of knocking down the SPLs to a not too annoying level. There’s only so much you can do without violating a million city building codes 🙁
@@BeatsAndMeats Been there, done that!
Years ago a fellow drummer friend of mine built a home from scratch. It was in upstate NY where staying warm was of utmost importance.
He did something for insulation that was ahead of it's time and it turns out it was perfect for sound insulation.
He built double 2x4 insulated walls with a 4" uninsulated space in between the 2 walls.
Keep it up! New channel but top quality indeed
Thanks man! I really appreciate it!
I have the dialtune black nickel over brass and it is still my favorite drum, even with this video, but that's more to do with convenience than sound - even though the sound is amazing too
I’m shocked more people don’t have them. They’re fucking great!!
I SOOO WANT ONE BUT MONEY IS MONEY
The second I saw the title I knew what snare it was about
Great video btw!!
Thanks Andrei! Im glad you liked it. I’m eventually going to do a video on this, but the cheapest way to get very close to this sound is the Gretsch USA Bell Bronze, which is about $1000-1200 Freedom Bucks
To be honest, all those snare drums sound great. I'd be happy with any of them. The ultimate recorded and mixed sound can be influenced by so many things that I'm not sure if this search for THE perfect drum is ever to be finished.
I'm going to make my own brass snare. Melt a bit of alu and copper, cast the basic shape in a mold and then CNC machine it to specs.
Kudos for the shirt!
For sure the search is never completed, but I can say with confidence that my snare sound holds up with the best in the world. And that’s good enough for me.
Now I get it. Great explanation. Great showcase. But I am a 60s guy and I will tell you I like the airiness of the Ludwig. That's what I am conditioned to hear.
Well i certainly can’t criticize you for that!Maybe you should pick up a Copperphonic and enjoy the absolute best that Ludwig has to offer! They only started making them in 2016 so you’ve probably never heard one out in the wild… they’re KILLER sounding drums.
@@BeatsAndMeats I was more referring to being conditioned to listening to the Supraphonic on all 60s-70s recordings. I own and have played a Ludwig Smooth Bronze 6 1/2" x 14" for decades(what's not to Love? super versatile). I'm a little old and not playing enough to warrant a Copperphonic purchase. Drummer Dmitry Kim of NOAPOLOGY would LOVE to own a 50 year anniversary TAMA! maybe I'll start $aving my money to buy him one! You're an exciting player, I'll be checking out more of your content!
Thank You,
Ted Furlo
Great video. The 50th anniversary TAMA definitely sounded the best.
I don't know if anyone has brought it up yet, but the Tama Rosewood 14x6 and 1/2 from the early to mid-80s would be my pic for the best sounding snare drum ever. Listen to "Diver Down" or "Fair Warning" by Van Halen. That is probably tied for best sounding snare I ever heard in my life.
The other is the snare sound from "Physical Graffiti". I agree that your Tama sounds better than an LM 402 (except Bonham), but there was something about the recording of Physical Graffiti that made the 402 sound the best I ever heard it sound. I know they recorded in a farmhouse in the countryside in England. Maybe it was just the acoustics . Chad Smith admitted he used a Ludwig Supraphonic on "Blood Sugar Sex Magic". The one he used was from the '70s. I only throw that in there not for my preference but many people think it was an iconic sound. I like the sound but just not a super fan.
The last snare drum sound that I truly love is from "Ghost in the Machine" (1981). Of course the snare drum that Stewart Copeland used on that record can't be bought by anyone. It's a one-of-a-kind although, Tama tried to reverse engineer it years ago and make a Stewart Copeland signature.
So much of it depends on how fast the song is, and how much other shenanigans is happening in the song. A song like “Under The Bridge” doesn’t need an atom bomb of a snare and has tons of room for a big verby room sound. But imagine the Enter Sandman snare on a Police record, hahaha!!
See if you can get your hands on a Tama Rosewood 14 x 6.5
I would love to hear it with your setup.
@@ludwigdrummer7802 I've heard they're pretty great! HOWEVER... I've only heard one wood snare that I really liked... a 13x6.5 Yamaha Musashi... for reasons I can't explain, I really like oak drums... makes no sense to me at all.
I know when Dave Abruzzesse played with pearl jam he used Brady snare drums
Curious to know how it would sound with pinstripe head, great video!
In a live situation… an Ebony Pinstripe sounds incredible… but for recording, I want as bright of an attack as possible, that’s why you need a 1-ply head. I have tracked whole albums with a Clear Pinstripe snare batter head and it sounded cool, but it moves the frequency of the attack down from 8k to 6k… and 6k is dominated by heavy distorted guitars so the snare gets lost easily…
@@BeatsAndMeats thanks for reply! I didnt know this damn
@@eurosnuke1678 I'm going to have to make a video about this... thanks for the idea!!
Cool vid, thanks - "the thing": It's good to know what 'the thing' is. I'd suggest getting the snare recordings under a spectrogram, so you can see the harmonics. Might be able to actually tell you something - and specifically from the microphone recording (not after a mix, or compression, or web presentable-processing type stuffs). You might see exactly what 'the thing' is in a way.
the blastbeat stuff was fun btw, nice work there.
That’s a GREAT idea!!… how good are YOU at reading spectrograms? Cuz I’m not at all.
@@BeatsAndMeats I've used one, once, to look up and visually tell if a bassdrum was happening at triplets or 32nds (at some high speed) - to support someone's verdict on it. That worked - as far as reading the harmonics themselves?? I dunno but I'd be super curious to see if they make any visual patterns that really stick out. You can use it to see a sinewave bank... I used one to see exactly what kind of groundloop feedback a mic setup was getting (europe or US will look different based on the 55/60hz whatever differences). So I'm very curious if you can actually see the secret sauce. everyone should be! :)
Ah! Now I know what you’re talking about… the waterfall! yes I’ve done that. It’s basically a bit more scooped, and a lot louder. The loudness gives better signal to bleed ratio, so you can process heavier, compress harder, and thus get this beautiful smack.
Rock9 snare everyday of the week.
What’s a Rock 9?
Tama 40th is my jam.
It’s such a BEAUTIFUL freaking snare!!!
It's a cool drum. Hearing it over UA-cam, to me it just doesn't live up to the hype. Maybe in person or in a higher fidelity medium i'd hear some other stuff and think different, but recorded as it is, to me it's just another flavor for a deep snare. It doesn't really "terminate" the others, but it's a cool drum nonetheless. It's always a great thing to find your perfect tool, congrats!
Thanks man! The thing about it is that it doesn’t start sounding thin in a full mix. You can pile on as many instruments as you want and it still sounds big. But I agree, deep snares always slay for me!
@@BeatsAndMeats excellent, that's an important factor! And to be fair, judging a drum just because how does it sound recorded over UA-cam would not be OK. I can imagine that such a drum surely sounds killer in a live setting. I used to play in a band with a drummer who owned a 14x8 Yamaha brass snare from the 80s and we used to call it the "amp killer". It was my first experience with a deep snare, and also the first with a brass made one. We also had the reference of the Nevermind snare, and that day I was in love! I also own a 14x8 myself, a very important tool in the arsenal and my most recorded snare (I own a recording studio). Congrats again and thank you for the video!!
How much for the trick snare ?
$750 and it comes with a Humes and Berg Enduro Pro hard case.
My Ludwig snare does not cower in its presence.
Let’s hear it! Which one do you have?
You need to put the remo cybermax on these snares and they will sound much greater than they have ever sounded
I have no idea what that is but I’m gonna look it up right now.
@@BeatsAndMeats Its a marching head usually used in the scottish bagpipe music made out of technora fiber. Normally this head is tuned pretty high on special made snaredrums but it works on drumset snares aswell. I use this head since years cause i love the gunshot like rimshot sound this hesd produces. Its a great head when you want the ultimate agressive snare sound
@DavidKrautscheid Well now I HAVE to try it!
@@BeatsAndMeats yeah! i always wanted to put this head on a bronze snare cause i think the rimshots will sound like a gunshot but i never have the money to buy a bronze snare. Maybe soon it is possible.
Rogers dynasonic!!!!l
I have never ever played a Dynasonic. Is yours steel or wood?
Brother why didn't you just put coated Ambassador on it? It would have sounded 100x better
Hey Petar! Coated Ambassadors do indeed sound great. But they don’t last even 10 minutes with the way I play. I’m not SUPER accurate in where I hit my snare. It’s something I’m working on everyday. Also, I use Danny Carey signature sticks, which are basically 5Bs but with a reverse taper at the back of the stick. Ambassadors don’t stand a chance. So I just end up with dents all over the head. I use clear heads because they have more attack than coated heads. The coating shaves off a bit of low end and high end. The black dot is just to add more durability to the head and it does focus the sound quite a bit. A Controlled Sound is just an Ambassador with the black dot.
You can buy a mastercraft wood snare from the early 80's add a custom bronze shell and you have a $15K terminator for less than $1500
A friend of mine has one of the dark red Mastercraft snares from 1982? And it sounds awesome! But it sounds NOTHING like a bell brass snare. It doesn’t have the 8k bump and the low end isn’t even in the same zip code. In the Snare Top mic, they remarkably sound similar, but in the Overheads and especially in the Room mics, there’s no comparison. One thing those old 80s Mastercraft snares have is that the original die cast hoops were made of iron that was chrome-plated… really really cool sounding, but good luck finding one of those.
You’re wrong!!🥁🤨the402 was the best. The copper/bronze/ brass snare drums are darker sounding. Aluminum all the way!!!🥁🥁😃
The cool thing about aluminum is that it is its own thing. I have a 14x8 aluminum shell that I can put in that Pearl Free Floater basket. When I was using it, it has been his enormous fundamental note without much high end in the attack. But I was much worse at tuning back then. Maybe I should revisit that shell and see what I can do with it.
Also see if you can get a Ludwig Black beauty 14x16.5 from the '70s.
@@ludwigdrummer7802 I have a super sensitive black beauty from the 70s.. still darker sounding than aluminum!
You said that the diameter of the drum is slightly larger, but you didn't say by how much. Honestly, I don't buy for one second that an extremely-minute increase in size, which is just enough to make the head fit a bit more snuggly and allegedly make seating time longer is the key to its supposed sound superiority.
Also, the fit of assorted snare head brands and models could and probably would be slightly different, too. But, it doesn't appear that you tested whether that would factor into your assertion. You seemed to ONLY use what looks like a Remo Clear Black Dot head.
Further, the sound of the snare would obviously change using different tunings of the top and bottom heads. Again, you didn't indicate whether you tested that either.
Lastly, you don't know if any of the above factors played a part in the sound of the drum on the multiple recordings you cited on which it was supposedly used. You're simply claiming that it's the best snare to be used to get the sound of those recordings.
Respectfully, I can't find any reason to lend any legitimacy or credibility to your claim of the superiority of the snare. Thanks.
Finally SOMEBODY is asking the right questions!!! Props to you kind sir, I will answer all of your questions.
1) The shell is 3mm larger than normal. The company making the shells back then mixed up the outside diameter for the inside diameter, and the shell is 3mm thick, so the shell is 3mm wider than it should have been.
2) 3mm is a MASSIVE fucking difference when your talking about shell construction, much the same way that a 6mm thick shell will sound COMPLETELY different from a 3mm shell. Especially when you're talking about how the bearing edge is going to seat on the head. Think of it this way, if your snare has just a 1/16" inch flat spot on the bearing edge, it will sound like complete and total ASS and you'll think your snare just sucks, when in reality, the bearing edge is damaged and needs to be fixed. This happened to the Trick shell that I put in the Pearl Free Floater, it sounded like garbage when I first got it. I emailed Trick and the owner of the company had me ship it to his house and he re-welded the shell and recut the edges and now it sounds great!
3) Yes indeed, snare head brands do fit differently, but the biggest factor is actually quality control. Remo has absolutely fucking terrible dogshit quality control, and I'd say 1 in every 7 Remo heads are unusable. Thats why I cant buy them online, I have to go to the damn Guitar Center and inspect every single head that I want to buy. I used the Remo Controlled Sound Clear on all the snares because its easy to tune and for some reason, the welds on the collar are more consistent than any other head Remo makes.
4) I DO know literally every single thing about those factors mentioned above. I have tried almost every snare head ever made on each of my snare drums except of course on the snare that I just unboxed right in front of you. It would've made for the most boring video in history if I demo'd 17 different snare heads on 6 different snare drums. I know precisely what snare heads work on heavy metal shells and which do not. The 2nd best head to use on a heavy shell snare is the Evans Genera Dry. The 3rd best is a Remo P77 with the muffling ring cut out from the head. The 4th best head is the Aquarian Triple Threat. The 5th best head is the Evans Power Center Reverse Dot. The 6th best head is the Evans EC Reverse Dot.
5) All that being said.. which did you like best? Keep in mind that I tuned all the drums to 311.1hz on the batter (quite high) and 432hz on the snare side head. This is because some of my snares sound like ass at lower tunings and I wanted to do a fair comparison, eliminating as many variables as possible. 261.6hz on the batter is my preferred tuning.
6) Ross Garfield, the owner of Drum Doctors, who owns the actual Terminator, said that he has owned 7 of the 1980 Tama Bell Brass snares and that they all sounded different, but the ones that had the widest circumference, were the hardest to tune and also sounded the best.
@@BeatsAndMeats, thank you for responding and for the detailed clarification. Take care and God bless. 🤘
@@gregoryvlchek269 No, thank YOU for using your brain and leaving a thoughtful comment! It is sincerely appreciated!
@@BeatsAndMeats, thank you for the compliment. Oh and, by the way, personally, I think that the best recorded snare sound I ever heard is Lars' snare on "Sad But True" from the 'Black Album'. Holy shit! Producer, Bob Rock is a genius!
Yeah Sad But True is as good as it gets. Avenged Sevenfold “Shepherd of Fire” is really great too! You should definitely check it out.
No matter what you use, if your sound man sucks and is too lazy to mic you properly for a gig, you're screwed.
I bring my own mics to shows. Clip them on my drums backstage. Saves setup time and lets the sound guy spend more time making it sound good.
Good review except the playing part. That was an interesting beat to try them on 🤨 Plus didn’t really dig the mix. Sure it sounds 100x better in person.
Oh I am absolutely NOT a mix engineer, that’s just my recording template… as far as the playing… It drives me up the wall when people demo these beastly snares and then hit them with their purse for 10 minutes… so when I demo a snare, it’s blastbeats only Baby! Especially with a drum like this, it’s meant to be beaten like it stole something! Thank you for watching!
@@BeatsAndMeats yeah 100% agree with that. That snare needs to be beaten at absolute top volume to sing. But I would’ve grooved something like Sad but true. Either way though. We get the gist🤘🏼
@@BeatsAndMeats You didnt play a blast beat, blasts are 16ths on the snare.
@krusher74 I got my first “AKSHUALLY” comment! This is a watershed moment for my channel!! Anyways… you are correct in that some blastbeats, like Gravity Blasts, have 16ths on the snare, but most are 8th notes on the snare, with either 8th or 16th notes on the kick. I play a variation of a Bomb Blast… which I affectionately refer to as a Freedom Blast… which is 1/4 note on the China, 1/8th notes on the snare, and 1/16th notes on the kicks, the China/kick/snare all start right on the 1. 66Samus has a video called “Different Types of Blastbeats.” Check it out! I can never remember the names of them so I’m constantly referring to that video.
@@BeatsAndMeats blast beats are just such trash in general though. :)
Half into the video, and I expect the real deal to "do the thing" for you. Ah, okay, it's the 50s reissue.
However, I dare you to get someone else to tune them all the same, sit back in a room with a blindfold, and then pick out the one you THINK is the 50th reissue. Do this at three different tuning ranges, low, medium, high. I bet 95:5 that you will fail two or three times.
...provided that you use the same snare wires, that is. ^^ Get 8 times the same cheapo wires and try with those. I guranatee to you that your eyes, your confirmation bias and the sunken cost fallacy (with regards to time invested into this journey, not necessarily money) will make more difference in how you percieve the sound than the actual physical sound differences.
Yes, I hear that they are different, but what I'm saying is that if aomeone else tunes them (and soes so well), and if you can't look, you will probably not be able to even pick it out.
I think you’re absolutely correct... except for the Dialtune snare. That thing is quite the pain generator. Part of the journey was to see “Well how good can this possibly get.” As it turns out, I was pretty damn close beforehand. And now I can safely lay it to rest knowing that there is no magical better thing out there.
$4k? Yikes.
Yikes indeed! It’s like any other stupidly expensive piece of gear though… if you’re doing it for a living AND it makes you money, well then it’s not so bad. There’s plenty of vocal mics that are well over $10k.
with all the money you spent on all those snares. surely you wouldve just been able to spend the 15k on the one????? or was it more like a trial run to the last best one
I bought one snare a year for 6 years. I was a lot poorer when I started haha! They all still don’t quite add up to $15k… but back then it was, and still is, pretty much impossible to find an original Terminator for sale. Back then they were only going for $5-7k… so I guess the joke IS on me ahhhhhhh!!! STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!