Holy trinity for dps: Acheron Firefly Feixiao Holy trinity for supports: Ruan Mei Robin Sparkle (Harmony trailblazer and Jiaoqiu for honorable mentions). Holy trinity of sustains: Aventurine Lingsha Huohuo (Gallagher and Fuxuan are great too). Firefly ruan mei acheron robin Feixiao, if you have these 5 characters, you can built 3 teams, using 4 star characters as supports. If you have at least 2 sustains and 2 harmony supports (Trailblazer is free), you'll be good in all 3 endgame mode. Good luck everyone 👍
As a returning player, thank you so much for saving my time and answering the question everyone hates to answer. Do you think Sunday and Fugue could change any spots here?
@@nishisun5008 yes sure, sparkle will fall down a little. If you count even eidolons, Fugue with e1 can be a replacament for ruan mei. For super break meta fugue will be a great alternative for those that don't have ruan mei yet. Sunday will help hypercarry teams and summons teams too. We all know supports age very well, while dps get powercrept. Super break is a very f2p archetype to build. I will save for fugue. I already have acheron aventurine firefly feixiao robin (E1) Lingsha, so i'll skip rappa. Fugue will be more valuable for me. Both Sunday and Fugue will be top meta, supports are always very powerful in the long run. Good luck for your pulls, don't rush and analyze the situation based on your account teams.
Aventurine is the #1 pull of the game. Can be used in all teams, unlimited sustain potential, cc resistance, debuff application. Pretty tough to powercreep him
I think my personal best investments going into the future will be Ruan Mei, Robin, and Aventurine. Ruan Mei has already proven herself by being just as op now as she was almost a year ago, Robin will be extremely hard to powercreep because full team action advance will always be op for multi dps teams, and Aventurine I think will hold up because extra crit dmg, eff res, and sp positive sustain will never be bad.
@@lionmask3630 yeah something a lot of these CCs fail to mention is that an E0S0 Acheron performs significantly differently to her E2S1 version. She might have the potential for huge damage, but requires a lot of vertical, and even potentially horizontal investment to shine. That's already asking a lot for a "must pull".
@@handrel1 PREACH, get gim bro legit baiting folks into a bad pull, like imagine people skipping aventurine to get acheron because of him hyping her to the moon
@@XenonDantedawg she’s as good as she’s going to get for a long time. E2 literally exists to tell you e0 team will always be relatively mid. Best you might get is a better sustain, or dev can just say get s1 Aven for the debuffing sustain.
stop over hyping acheron so much, probably acheron will drop in the next prydwen tierlist, like no doubt on that, she just don't have the numbers at e0s0. i have ahceorn e0s1 without jiaoqu and she can't clear any content on a way above average build and she will keep aging worse and worse because she requires 2 nihility and she alredy got the best support for her, which is jiaoqu. not having energy is not an inherent advantage, the only issue is that we still don't have a 5 star battery character, the moment that comes out energy users will probably even have an advantage over stak based ultimates, especially if it works with huohuo. there isn't a single dps in the game right now that i would say is close to a must-pull, and the only dps units that are overperforming at the moment are Feixiao and Firefly and both of them are part of 2 of the main team categories of the game( FUA and Break). with the only difference is that feixiao would benefit from 1 additional 5 star fua dps as she would just slot her in place of topaz for faster ult generation
@@3.16music nah, FF and feixiao have consistantly better results than acheron, especially when there is no lighning weakness. edit, idk why the fuck he cant clear content with acheron tho, you should not have problem "clearing" content with her.
@@lionmask3630 eh, it depends. 2 cycling Hoolay with AOE unit and without electro weakness is very good imo and worthy to be considered a top tier. Not to mention how there’s just a ton of content made specifically for superbreak, no wonder why she clears faster sometimes
@@3.16music my acheron has 3k atk, 130 speed, 75% CR, 240 CD If mine is a build issue probably 80% of the other acherons got “build issues” aswell. Spin it as you want, acheron is not a must pull or even a dps i would recommend right before 2 op supports and the start of a new planet in 3.0. If she isn’t at the very top right now having received a tailor made support( jiaoqu) she will just simply not hold up compared to new dps
@@Hencid 1) why even having 130 speed if you don’t cross the speed breakpoint? 2) why having speed boots in the first place 3) I honestly don’t know how you’re struggling with stats like these, it’s just unbelievable for me. If you can’t play it doesn’t mean character is bad. Mine Acheron is crushing content like there’s no tomorrow and in most cases I see no difference between her and Firefly performance. She rarely even goes beyond 2 cycles, what are we talking about I would agree if she did in fact fell off and did not perform well, like Blade or JY for example, that’s just not what I see in my game
Every Harmony unit, Houhou/Lingsha, & the Aven/Fu are imo the only units I'm going for since I already have Break & Fua's BIS teams (hoping I can get Rappa as well before Sunday) To add the only reason I'd pick Acheron up now would be to just quickly clear things in the over world esp the chests with enemies but even then my fua/break team can clear practically anything now
I think that people here in the comments fail to realize that, even with only one dedicated support, Acheron hits something like 500K per ult with an okay build. As time goes by, she will only get stronger and stronger, it's just a matter of when will she receive another dedicated support and sustain. Of course, just like any other dps, if Acheron doesn't have someone like Jiaoqiu, her damage will decrease, but that's not an Acheron problem, just think how Firefly gets worse when she's not on a team with Ruan Mei for example.
That being said, Acheron already achieves very good numbers even with just one 5-star support. Compared to Firefly, which basically already has her complete team, and Feixiao and the follow-up archetype, Acheron still has A LOT to grow within the game before becoming completely obsolete.
If she gets another support then why would anyone ever get e2. It’d be the worst in the game compared to FF or Feixiao. Both of those e2s double down on their BiS teams for e2. Meanwhile Acheron’s relies on the second nihility being dead weight for the power spike. There is no second amplifier for her (and if you know how def shred works, this is why JQ doesn’t have any in his kit, it would make him worse for e2). Next nihility is break, and next one after is summon. Acheron will get her second amplifier when Blade gets his dedicated support, which at best will happen when he’s about to get powercrept.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Firstly, there's nothing stopping Mihoyo from creating a new support for Acheron, literally, if they want, they'll create one in the next patch. There is no way of knowing whether they will do this or not because none of us predict the future, the best we can do is just speculate. And, using your own argument, if the rumors are correct, why would Firefly gain another support for the break team (Fugue)? Wouldn't this make people pull less for Firefly herself (needless to say that her e2 is broken as hell)? The point is, it is much more practical and beneficial for anyone to have individual characters (supports) than eidolons (especially if you are F2P). So, yes, Mihoyo can create another dedicated support for Acheron, just like they did for every archetype in the game, like with Follow-up and Break.
@@monochrome3978 the idea that you could even think of FF e2 is a counter to what I said is insane. Her e2 means she wants more bars to break. And doing so increases damage her damage. This means a support that can give break bars would boost it. See the difference yet? If you can’t then god can’t save you. Fei’s e2 says play with FuA chars. So what does Acheron’s say. Acheron’s e2 says get rid of the nihility unit. Get it now. The idea that you somehow thought FF’s e2 was in the same boat is so unbelievably insane. Like bro just think about where the damage comes from. How did you not get this. Lastly, what’s to stop them from releasing Acheron^2 next patch and just powercreep her into irrelevancy? The above is why we don’t make meaningless statements like “none of us can predict the future” because if you seriously thought that then you would have only typed that and nothing else. Instead people with brains examine evidence and create conjecture. One piece of evidence you can look at to understand the devs vision for a character is their eidolons. Again Fei’s e2 say PLAY HER IN FUA AND FF’S SAYS GET MORE BREAKS. WHAT DOES ACHERON’S SAY? GET RID OF THE SECOND NIHILITY!!! I still can’t get over the fact that you thought e2 FF was a good counter. Wild.
Even then you need tu pull for the 5* dps, the lightcone and wait for jiaoqui to rerun because theres no way you pulled for him if you dont have acheron. Investing so many pulls on a dps right before 2 limited supports that dont work with her is one of the worst ideas you could make
acheron glazing near ver 3.0 with all the relic/planar set releases, fugue/sunday beta test coming and value of e2 vs e0 acheron being questioned is crazy work lol, it's obvious the meta is changing and acheron is not a part of it. this is supposed to be a pull value video not current tier list video
I watch this as a husbando collector, knowing I will likely never get any of these characters aside from a certain special gambler On the bright side, At least Aventurine is one of my favorites. Him, Sunday, and Argenti are my kings 🙏 if Sunday leaks are right, I'll be able to use all three in one team
Pls tell me should I get firefly Light cone or Acheron's Light cone bc I'm guaranteed and close to pity. (Btw I need more 50% break effect for firefly so that she ignore additional 15% def , and her lc gives free 60% break)
Firefly’s LC is one of the worst to get bc of how good the Herta LC is, Acherons LC is one of the best and biggest improvements, so probably Acheron? Also does the 50% include firefly’s atk conversion?
as a firefly simp, go for acheron lightcone, just use herta lightcone for FF, in battle u will get 60% BE because of the attack buff from the lc if you have 200& BE on the stat page outside of battle, that enough, you will get close to 500% BE in battle anyways if u are using her in her correct team and correct sets.
I started playing honkai: star rail mid way through feixiao's banner. I haven't lost a 50/50 yet and I've pulled for Feixiao, robin, kafka, topaz and lingsha. I'm saving for Aventurine.
you gotta look at dps units like a six-month lease right now and any eidolons prolly add up to a one-year lease. with how quickly the game has been moving on from dps units, the only "futureproof" units are those where you pulled for a valuable e2 and all of their best supports. an e2 acheron with JQ will last far and away longer than an e0 with pela and SW. at the current time, I wouldn't recommend a single dps unit in the game as a must pull at e0. Jingliu and DHIL are in the literal mud right now behind even the second-tier 2.x dps' like Boothill and Yunli. Without DHIL E2, he would have literally no place in the game anymore. i loved using him early on, but his relevance has petered out into nothingness. ACH, FF, and FEX are "must-pulls" to catch up to the current meta, but they will not last long into future metas.
Holy trinity for dps: Acheron Firefly Feixiao
Holy trinity for supports: Ruan Mei Robin Sparkle (Harmony trailblazer and Jiaoqiu for honorable mentions).
Holy trinity of sustains: Aventurine Lingsha Huohuo (Gallagher and Fuxuan are great too).
Firefly ruan mei acheron robin Feixiao, if you have these 5 characters, you can built 3 teams, using 4 star characters as supports. If you have at least 2 sustains and 2 harmony supports (Trailblazer is free), you'll be good in all 3 endgame mode.
Good luck everyone 👍
As a returning player, thank you so much for saving my time and answering the question everyone hates to answer. Do you think Sunday and Fugue could change any spots here?
@@nishisun5008 yes sure, sparkle will fall down a little. If you count even eidolons, Fugue with e1 can be a replacament for ruan mei. For super break meta fugue will be a great alternative for those that don't have ruan mei yet. Sunday will help hypercarry teams and summons teams too. We all know supports age very well, while dps get powercrept. Super break is a very f2p archetype to build. I will save for fugue. I already have acheron aventurine firefly feixiao robin (E1) Lingsha, so i'll skip rappa. Fugue will be more valuable for me. Both Sunday and Fugue will be top meta, supports are always very powerful in the long run. Good luck for your pulls, don't rush and analyze the situation based on your account teams.
100% agree, fax right there
Aventurine is the #1 pull of the game. Can be used in all teams, unlimited sustain potential, cc resistance, debuff application. Pretty tough to powercreep him
Only must pulls are harmony characters of the comp you want to play the most
I think my personal best investments going into the future will be Ruan Mei, Robin, and Aventurine. Ruan Mei has already proven herself by being just as op now as she was almost a year ago, Robin will be extremely hard to powercreep because full team action advance will always be op for multi dps teams, and Aventurine I think will hold up because extra crit dmg, eff res, and sp positive sustain will never be bad.
Your hyping Acheron too much just like what you did to Jingliu in 2.1
i think so too, i always thought she was too overhyped in the beginning, i pulled bcoz of fomo, but i dont like her performance.
@@lionmask3630 yeah something a lot of these CCs fail to mention is that an E0S0 Acheron performs significantly differently to her E2S1 version. She might have the potential for huge damage, but requires a lot of vertical, and even potentially horizontal investment to shine. That's already asking a lot for a "must pull".
@@handrel1 PREACH, get gim bro legit baiting folks into a bad pull, like imagine people skipping aventurine to get acheron because of him hyping her to the moon
Acheron is as good as she is and hasn't even gotten her best team yet. Which she will get because she's Hoyo's flagship character Raiden Mei.
@@XenonDantedawg she’s as good as she’s going to get for a long time.
E2 literally exists to tell you e0 team will always be relatively mid.
Best you might get is a better sustain, or dev can just say get s1 Aven for the debuffing sustain.
stop over hyping acheron so much, probably acheron will drop in the next prydwen tierlist, like no doubt on that, she just don't have the numbers at e0s0.
i have ahceorn e0s1 without jiaoqu and she can't clear any content on a way above average build and she will keep aging worse and worse because she requires 2 nihility and she alredy got the best support for her, which is jiaoqu.
not having energy is not an inherent advantage, the only issue is that we still don't have a 5 star battery character, the moment that comes out energy users will probably even have an advantage over stak based ultimates, especially if it works with huohuo.
there isn't a single dps in the game right now that i would say is close to a must-pull, and the only dps units that are overperforming at the moment are Feixiao and Firefly and both of them are part of 2 of the main team categories of the game( FUA and Break). with the only difference is that feixiao would benefit from 1 additional 5 star fua dps as she would just slot her in place of topaz for faster ult generation
That’s just a build issue, straight up. She performs amazing even without E2
@@3.16music nah, FF and feixiao have consistantly better results than acheron, especially when there is no lighning weakness.
edit, idk why the fuck he cant clear content with acheron tho, you should not have problem "clearing" content with her.
@@lionmask3630 eh, it depends. 2 cycling Hoolay with AOE unit and without electro weakness is very good imo and worthy to be considered a top tier. Not to mention how there’s just a ton of content made specifically for superbreak, no wonder why she clears faster sometimes
@@3.16music my acheron has 3k atk, 130 speed, 75% CR, 240 CD
If mine is a build issue probably 80% of the other acherons got “build issues” aswell.
Spin it as you want, acheron is not a must pull or even a dps i would recommend right before 2 op supports and the start of a new planet in 3.0.
If she isn’t at the very top right now having received a tailor made support( jiaoqu) she will just simply not hold up compared to new dps
@@Hencid 1) why even having 130 speed if you don’t cross the speed breakpoint?
2) why having speed boots in the first place
3) I honestly don’t know how you’re struggling with stats like these, it’s just unbelievable for me. If you can’t play it doesn’t mean character is bad. Mine Acheron is crushing content like there’s no tomorrow and in most cases I see no difference between her and Firefly performance. She rarely even goes beyond 2 cycles, what are we talking about
I would agree if she did in fact fell off and did not perform well, like Blade or JY for example, that’s just not what I see in my game
Every Harmony unit, Houhou/Lingsha, & the Aven/Fu are imo the only units I'm going for since I already have Break & Fua's BIS teams (hoping I can get Rappa as well before Sunday)
To add the only reason I'd pick Acheron up now would be to just quickly clear things in the over world esp the chests with enemies but even then my fua/break team can clear practically anything now
I think that people here in the comments fail to realize that, even with only one dedicated support, Acheron hits something like 500K per ult with an okay build. As time goes by, she will only get stronger and stronger, it's just a matter of when will she receive another dedicated support and sustain. Of course, just like any other dps, if Acheron doesn't have someone like Jiaoqiu, her damage will decrease, but that's not an Acheron problem, just think how Firefly gets worse when she's not on a team with Ruan Mei for example.
That being said, Acheron already achieves very good numbers even with just one 5-star support. Compared to Firefly, which basically already has her complete team, and Feixiao and the follow-up archetype, Acheron still has A LOT to grow within the game before becoming completely obsolete.
If she gets another support then why would anyone ever get e2.
It’d be the worst in the game compared to FF or Feixiao. Both of those e2s double down on their BiS teams for e2. Meanwhile Acheron’s relies on the second nihility being dead weight for the power spike.
There is no second amplifier for her (and if you know how def shred works, this is why JQ doesn’t have any in his kit, it would make him worse for e2). Next nihility is break, and next one after is summon.
Acheron will get her second amplifier when Blade gets his dedicated support, which at best will happen when he’s about to get powercrept.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Firstly, there's nothing stopping Mihoyo from creating a new support for Acheron, literally, if they want, they'll create one in the next patch. There is no way of knowing whether they will do this or not because none of us predict the future, the best we can do is just speculate. And, using your own argument, if the rumors are correct, why would Firefly gain another support for the break team (Fugue)? Wouldn't this make people pull less for Firefly herself (needless to say that her e2 is broken as hell)? The point is, it is much more practical and beneficial for anyone to have individual characters (supports) than eidolons (especially if you are F2P). So, yes, Mihoyo can create another dedicated support for Acheron, just like they did for every archetype in the game, like with Follow-up and Break.
@@monochrome3978 the idea that you could even think of FF e2 is a counter to what I said is insane. Her e2 means she wants more bars to break. And doing so increases damage her damage. This means a support that can give break bars would boost it. See the difference yet? If you can’t then god can’t save you. Fei’s e2 says play with FuA chars. So what does Acheron’s say.
Acheron’s e2 says get rid of the nihility unit. Get it now. The idea that you somehow thought FF’s e2 was in the same boat is so unbelievably insane. Like bro just think about where the damage comes from. How did you not get this.
Lastly, what’s to stop them from releasing Acheron^2 next patch and just powercreep her into irrelevancy?
The above is why we don’t make meaningless statements like “none of us can predict the future” because if you seriously thought that then you would have only typed that and nothing else.
Instead people with brains examine evidence and create conjecture. One piece of evidence you can look at to understand the devs vision for a character is their eidolons. Again Fei’s e2 say PLAY HER IN FUA AND FF’S SAYS GET MORE BREAKS. WHAT DOES ACHERON’S SAY? GET RID OF THE SECOND NIHILITY!!!
I still can’t get over the fact that you thought e2 FF was a good counter. Wild.
Even then you need tu pull for the 5* dps, the lightcone and wait for jiaoqui to rerun because theres no way you pulled for him if you dont have acheron. Investing so many pulls on a dps right before 2 limited supports that dont work with her is one of the worst ideas you could make
acheron glazing near ver 3.0 with all the relic/planar set releases, fugue/sunday beta test coming and value of e2 vs e0 acheron being questioned is crazy work lol, it's obvious the meta is changing and acheron is not a part of it. this is supposed to be a pull value video not current tier list video
I watch this as a husbando collector, knowing I will likely never get any of these characters aside from a certain special gambler
On the bright side, At least Aventurine is one of my favorites. Him, Sunday, and Argenti are my kings 🙏 if Sunday leaks are right, I'll be able to use all three in one team
Pls tell me should I get firefly Light cone or Acheron's Light cone bc I'm guaranteed and close to pity. (Btw I need more 50% break effect for firefly so that she ignore additional 15% def , and her lc gives free 60% break)
Firefly’s LC is one of the worst to get bc of how good the Herta LC is, Acherons LC is one of the best and biggest improvements, so probably Acheron? Also does the 50% include firefly’s atk conversion?
@levi3248 I just want the 60% break effect 😭 , so the relic set is fully active.
Acherons lc 100%
@axHSR thx probably I will get Acheron's Lc then
as a firefly simp, go for acheron lightcone, just use herta lightcone for FF, in battle u will get 60% BE because of the attack buff from the lc
if you have 200& BE on the stat page outside of battle, that enough, you will get close to 500% BE in battle anyways if u are using her in her correct team and correct sets.
I started playing honkai: star rail mid way through feixiao's banner. I haven't lost a 50/50 yet and I've pulled for Feixiao, robin, kafka, topaz and lingsha. I'm saving for Aventurine.
BLADE BLADE BLADE RERUN BLADE 2.7 E6S5 DREAM I'LL PAY FOR IT ALL ALL OR NOTHING I WANNA BUST FOR BLADE
you gotta look at dps units like a six-month lease right now and any eidolons prolly add up to a one-year lease. with how quickly the game has been moving on from dps units, the only "futureproof" units are those where you pulled for a valuable e2 and all of their best supports. an e2 acheron with JQ will last far and away longer than an e0 with pela and SW. at the current time, I wouldn't recommend a single dps unit in the game as a must pull at e0. Jingliu and DHIL are in the literal mud right now behind even the second-tier 2.x dps' like Boothill and Yunli. Without DHIL E2, he would have literally no place in the game anymore. i loved using him early on, but his relevance has petered out into nothingness. ACH, FF, and FEX are "must-pulls" to catch up to the current meta, but they will not last long into future metas.
Robin for me is a Monster Unit
personally i dont have adventarine but i have fexioa and robin but i cant skip sunday and fugue no matter what and i already have acheron e0 s1
Shesh, had to skip around, dude used like 3-4x as many words as necessary to describe everything. We know how energy works bro...
Super characters? I see