I don’t normally share comments, even if I like what I’m looking at. However in this case. I must. I just tried the grinder trick for coping. IT WORKED GREAT !!!!! IM IN THANK YOU
I am doing my whole condo with new baseboards and after 40 diy videos on coping I am off to the store to get a 40 grit sanding disc for my grinder. BRAVO and thank you
My first sanding block is in the vice right now, fine grain sand glued to the form-block, using a special deep sponge to help push the paper into the forms of the baseboard moulding. This is about the best little thing I've seen yet, within the new realm of coping internal joints. Thanks!
+Stephanie Brunet / watch your fingers! Be sure to clamp the piece down tight and use 2 hands until you get the feel of the grinder. I've been using one for many years. Had a couple of newbies take alot of skin off fast. Respect the tool. Thanks for your comment!
Thanks man! Great vid! I agree with you about leaving the cope proud - A lot of guys on youtube are trying to get it perfect with power tools, and them some use files, or just sandpaper in-hand or whatever, but your sand paper method is really best, because the areas that are proud will be sanded first (the paper won't make contact with the areas that are recessed), followed by the areas that are close to perfectly coped. As you say, it has got to result in perfection. Very cool, I'm gonna try it out soon.
I've been using an angle grinder for years. I'ts so easy to mess up the cope at the final touch-up. I'm going to my shop right now to try the sanding block. looks like a great tip. Thanks!
Awesome technique, we use a Collins coping foot then clean our cope up with a Dremel rotary tool. I’m gonna try this out!! Makes for a beautiful fit!! Definitely useful info, keep making great videos!! Good message, yes he does!!
Thanks! the extra dust is well worth the time and accuracy. NOTE: choke up on the handle and set your pointer finger directly behind the shaft. this will improve accuracy and balance. be prepared to drop it a couple times before you get the hang of it so work over an unfinished floor. Let me know how it goes for you.
Bob, just tried your technique with FJ Pine.....love it. Don't have 20+ years experience with a grinder, but was able to produce an acceptable cope by the 3rd try. I guess the 20+ years would have prevented the v-cut I have in my thumb now. Sometimes you just got to learn lessons the hard way :-) Fortunately just a little knick.
wow, I really like this method I definitely want to try it. I've been using a coping saw and sometimes jig saw and files for years. I guess I'll be shopping for a grinder.
Thanks for posting; a couple of notes after trying this out: (1) A regular grinding disk works fine and a worn one works better than a new one because its rounded edge goes smoothly into the contours. (2) Sandpaper just doesn't shape itself well to molding that has deep narrow lines.
Use finer grit sandpaper for base with deeper profiles. OR use a taping knife or scraper to push into the deepest crevice FIRST then pull the paper to edges. (it's OK if it cracks in vallies, it has no negative affect on the the results) It's IMPORTANT to allow the contact cement to TACK UP or the paper just wants lift off the block.
Haha! I agree. I have coped since 1984. BUT it is faster once you get the hang of it. Especially crown. UNLESS it's oak. But MDF likes to break so, this works great.
If you give yourself a little platform to rest your hand that’s holding the grinder and just move the grinder with your wrist, you will have much more control and be able to become very accurate with it. Also, if you use a sanding disc backed up by another one (or even a diamond wheel ), you will be able to get into the little nooks. The flapper is too flexible I have found. . There’s a bit of a learning curve with it, but after a while you can quickly knock out a cope without any added sanding. I really like the hanger idea. Gonna use it on my next crown job. Thanks.
I am a finish carpenter and I just learned two things from this video. The sandpaper on the scrap of molding and the "Helping hand". Now I feel stupid. Why didn't I ever think of that ?
+Stanley Denning / you know, that's something that i really enjoy about this trade, there always seems to be a new trick for an old dog to learn. I've been at this since 1985.
be sure to purchase a grinder that locks in the ON position. this way you can use both hands and hold it at any angle. Be sure to clamp the piece and don't remove the guard if you don't have to. thanks for watching.
I AM THINKING THAT I would be attaching the sandpaper to the end of a longer piece of molding. It seems this would give me better control and more comfort. I ALSO THINK THAT using an inexpensive miter protractor like the Starrett to measure inside AND outside corner angles produces as good a result in far less time and with much less effort.
You can use all the sand paper you want but a short pc works for me. This video is paint grade and doesn't require such accuracy. Sure. You can use a miter gauge, you may even get it perfect. What happens when your wood shrinks? I install some very expensive cabinetry with no room for error and no extra material for mistakes. This works and looks perfect. I use it on fancy base too. Customers love my finished product. Thanks for your comment!
@@hugavet3049 Thanks for the info. Now that I think about it, thanks to you, I have have noticed that every video I have seen on the subject of making any kind of a tight fitting corner with molding is a "paint grade" molding video. My home is about thirty years old and every bit of woodwork is dark stained oak, very beautiful and in my opinion, the way it should be. Boy!!!... I would love to work with you. Sounds like a lot could be learned.
Start your career with a coping saw and practice, practice, practice!! All of these tricks, grinders, jig saws, etc. are more time consuming. I've made thousands of copes on everything from MDF to PFJ pine, to finished mahogany. Set your coping saw blade on the push stroke, back cut your copes. I dont reccomend back cutting too severely because the finished front edge ends up being weakened and could potentially collapse. Cope tight along your line so you dont by have to file or sand. "Aim small, miss small".
Agreed. Skills are important AND so is production. It takes time to reset your back cut three times on each pc. AND I need systems that work consistently. I don't have all day to train a guy how to cope quickly AND accurately. I'm not paying him $150.00/ day to wittle sticks. Thanks for your comment though, the world needs more guys like you.
@@hugavet3049 No just jig saw. With one hand I hold jig saw and with other jig saw plate. Similar what this guy do ua-cam.com/video/ogOHtaI-0oA/v-deo.html . Only I press crown to my horse with my leg (shoe off of course) to my horses. Same horses where is saw. Cut compound cut than move saw a few inches to make space for crown at horses and cut it. Here is my portfolio. s252.photobucket.com/user/bbsitum/library?page=1 . Need to say I don't see myself like a trim carpenter. I do just so much, at minimum, framing too. It just happen that I can cope and can flip a few numbers in my head (for compound cut) so I trim too. Especially when I see advice to cope with hand saw or sender, every one would ask itself why would I not install crown than.
Dear Bob - thanks for sharing .... great concept/tips! I assume you are using a variable speed grinder. Will a single speed basic model grinder just go out of control because the high speed is too hard to handle or do you think it would be okay?
+Eileen Ambrose . I use a single speed. Just be sure to get one that stays ON when you let go of the switch. That way you can hold it close to the top for Better control.
toscodav / agreed but crown is a minor portion of the project. I'm actually pretty conscientious about dust control. I'll run a dust deputy as much as possible. Check out my other video on the dust deputy. Thanks for your comments. get your free subscription today!
I don’t normally share comments, even if I like what I’m looking at. However in this case. I must. I just tried the grinder trick for coping. IT WORKED GREAT !!!!! IM IN THANK YOU
I am doing my whole condo with new baseboards and after 40 diy videos on coping I am off to the store to get a 40 grit sanding disc for my grinder. BRAVO and thank you
Watched "another" video on the same topic....took the guy "6 episodes" to convey what you did in less than one...THANK YOU!!
I'm VERY busy. Like most of us today, so I keep it short and get to the point.
you are WELCOME!
I've used the grinder and have had great success, but what i like most about this video is the sanding block you made!!
+Pat Lombardo/ I used to use different size and shape files. then it hit me, make a custom file!
Thanks!
Now *that* is how you cope a crown! Very tight corner sir, thank you for sharing. Will be giving this a try. The trick to use a sanding block is gold!
As an apprentice carpenter, this was very helpful to me. Thank you so much for the video. Great bonus feature too!
Nice job on whole video!! Been looking for way to fine tune cope. Never occurred to make a sanding template! Thanks!
Love that crown hanging clip! That might be my favorite UA-cam tip of all time. Thanks!
Thank you for the video. I love the crown hanger that you made. Brilliant simple fix for installing crown by yourself. Great job.
Bob, your method is the best for coping. Great video. Great sound too. More from you soon I hope.
My first sanding block is in the vice right now, fine grain sand glued to the form-block, using a special deep sponge to help push the paper into the forms of the baseboard moulding. This is about the best little thing I've seen yet, within the new realm of coping internal joints. Thanks!
Thanks for commenting. Enjoy your new home made tool!
Where have you been all of my life! You are a genius!
HAHA! you're AWESOME! Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. Check out my other videos too.
Great video! I love the way you used the scrap and a sanding block. And the flat bar is a hive tool used by beekeepers.
FERGIN GENIUS! The best tricks are always the most simple. Thanks for sharing.
This was the best method for coping but I have to say, the hooks to hold the long runs was a genius idea! I have to use 16-foot runs!
Thank you , no screaming music, just good old craftsmanship and ingenuity .
Great tips Bob, I'll have to try both out next time I install crown. Please keep the videos coming. Have a great day.
like the sandpaper trick.the hook idea its great.
Great idea, that hanger. Nice!
Great tip. Joints look awesome with nice tight corners. Quality work!
tried this method yesterday. perfection. thanks.
I think I will try this today also!
Awesome! I so hate coping! Thanks Bob, this will make my job so much more pleasent.
+Stephanie Brunet / watch your fingers! Be sure to clamp the piece down tight and use 2 hands until you get the feel of the grinder. I've been using one for many years. Had a couple of newbies take alot of skin off fast. Respect the tool.
Thanks for your comment!
Thanks man! Great vid! I agree with you about leaving the cope proud - A lot of guys on youtube are trying to get it perfect with power tools, and them some use files, or just sandpaper in-hand or whatever, but your sand paper method is really best, because the areas that are proud will be sanded first (the paper won't make contact with the areas that are recessed), followed by the areas that are close to perfectly coped. As you say, it has got to result in perfection. Very cool, I'm gonna try it out soon.
+Rama Ishaya / I'm glad you found this video helpful!
Thanks for your comments!
I've been using an angle grinder for years. I'ts so easy to mess up the cope at the final touch-up. I'm going to my shop right now to try the sanding block. looks like a great tip. Thanks!
Wow that's simple and easy I would have never thought of it thanks for sharing.
Thank you sir, thanks for this great demonstration,God Bless and loves you and your family aswell..
Wow. Great idea. I've got picture rail to hang in several more rooms, will try this out.
Awesome technique, we use a Collins coping foot then clean our cope up with a Dremel rotary tool. I’m gonna try this out!! Makes for a beautiful fit!! Definitely useful info, keep making great videos!! Good message, yes he does!!
Thanks! the extra dust is well worth the time and accuracy.
NOTE: choke up on the handle and set your pointer finger directly behind the shaft. this will improve
accuracy and balance.
be prepared to drop it a couple times before you get the hang of it so work over an unfinished floor.
Let me know how it goes for you.
Brilliant Bob! Way to go.
Really helped me do the project. A little harder with white oak, but the idea was the key!
+Ron Winter / just used mine to carve some maple.
A fresh pad really helps.
Good job brotherman, keep it up and may your rewards be plentiful !
YOU SIR, are a genius!!!
I came for the coping, and subscribed for the bonus feature.
Great ideas! I've been doing this a long time but never considered a flap wheel, gonna try that on the next job!
That was amazing. I knew there had to be an easier way. Thanks!
Great idea with the grinder, I'll try it on the 135° cope! Not crazy about the dust it generates with MDF.
In a closed room the grinder is not an option.
He loves you too sir. Thanks so much for the great tips!
Bob, just tried your technique with FJ Pine.....love it. Don't have 20+ years experience with a grinder, but was able to produce an acceptable cope by the 3rd try. I guess the 20+ years would have prevented the v-cut I have in my thumb now. Sometimes you just got to learn lessons the hard way :-) Fortunately just a little knick.
WAY easier than using a coping saw. Thanks so much!!!
Excellent video, I believe your way is the easiest for DIY to follow.
dude you're always having witty inventions man!
Very nice bonus trick. Love it.
no wonder you're booked so much, you do great work!
aw much chars for ft
Darn good coping tip Bob! TY:) Subbed...because people like Bob are solution based and that is what I am all about!
+FSAUDIOGUY / thanks so much! I really enjoy what i do and sharing it with others.
thank you for sharing your knowledge, excellent work congratulations GOD BLESS YOU
wow, I really like this method I definitely want to try it. I've been using a coping saw and sometimes jig saw and files for years. I guess I'll be shopping for a grinder.
Thanks for posting; a couple of notes after trying this out: (1) A regular grinding disk works fine and a worn one works better than a new one because its rounded edge goes smoothly into the contours. (2) Sandpaper just doesn't shape itself well to molding that has deep narrow lines.
Use finer grit sandpaper for base with deeper profiles. OR use a taping knife or scraper to push into the deepest crevice FIRST then pull the paper to edges. (it's OK if it cracks in vallies, it has no negative affect on the the results)
It's IMPORTANT to allow the contact cement to TACK UP or the paper just wants lift off the block.
(3) You both go do something else if you can not cope with jig saw.
Haha! I agree. I have coped since 1984. BUT it is faster once you get the hang of it. Especially crown. UNLESS it's oak. But MDF likes to break so, this works great.
Great tips I will try them today! The dremel and coping saws are not working out too well!
I made a two piece sled to hold both pieces. Great idea
If you give yourself a little platform to rest your hand that’s holding the grinder and just move the grinder with your wrist, you will have much more control and be able to become very accurate with it. Also, if you use a sanding disc backed up by another one (or even a diamond wheel ), you will be able to get into the little nooks. The flapper is too flexible I have found. . There’s a bit of a learning curve with it, but after a while you can quickly knock out a cope without any added sanding.
I really like the hanger idea. Gonna use it on my next crown job. Thanks.
Thank you for sharing and Yes He loves us all ,
Great work! thanks for sharing your knowledge and skill.
the sanding block genius!
Sweet instruction. Great bonus tip.
Nicely done!
I believe it is. however, heavy grit is a good thing here. we're going for speed with the wheel. use the sanding block for accuracy.
great ideas, thanks for sharing
Awesome video! Thanks!
Nice work 👍
cool video. Thanks for showing me how to do the trim.
+pcushen1 / you're very welcome.
Great video sir, thanks.
Great video very helpful, I should use a right angle grinder to do the coping .....
Great tips thanks for the insight and video👍
I like the sandpaper on the piece of scrap
Nice tip...thanks.
I like the bonus!!
it does burn up the disc faster. I buy a couple at a time. thanks for your interest!
I am a finish carpenter and I just learned two things from this video. The sandpaper on the scrap of molding and the "Helping hand". Now I feel stupid. Why didn't I ever think of that ?
+Stanley Denning / you know, that's something that i really enjoy about this trade, there always seems to be a new trick for an old dog to learn. I've been at this since 1985.
BRILLIANT! Subscribed.
+beauxtx1959 / thanks! Making videos takes time and effort. You guys let me know that I'm actually talking to someone and not just a camera!
Wow! That's great! Thank you!
very good and I like it.
Very clever.
thanks Stanley. I do my best.
Wow thanks for sharing 👍👍
that crown helper is clever.
just found your channel good info
It would be nice to know what angles you need to cut the coped piece before coping.
Ha. Like the bonus feature.
be sure to purchase a grinder that locks in the ON position. this way you can use both hands and hold it at any angle. Be sure to clamp the piece and don't remove the guard if you don't have to. thanks for watching.
Simple and genius
Interesting technique. The use of a sanding block is a great idea. However, the amount of MDF dust is concerning.
genius! Thank you so much sir!
+Nelson Lueiza / you're vey welcome. My grinder switch stays in the ON position. Watch your fingers. I've been using a grinder for 20+ yrs.
Cool! Got it:-)
what are those things called to hang the great molding and where can they be bought thanks
nice job.
What brand of grinder are you using...i want to purchase it.....
What model grinder are you using. Also are you cutting the long tip off?
Crown clips😀. I love when I can make something from cast offs rather than buy them, even if they are cheap.
I AM THINKING THAT I would be attaching the sandpaper to the end of a longer piece of molding. It seems this would give me better control and more comfort.
I ALSO THINK THAT using an inexpensive miter protractor like the Starrett to measure inside AND outside corner angles produces as good a result in far less time and with much less effort.
You can use all the sand paper you want but a short pc works for me.
This video is paint grade and doesn't require such accuracy. Sure. You can use a miter gauge, you may even get it perfect. What happens when your wood shrinks? I install some very expensive cabinetry with no room for error and no extra material for mistakes. This works and looks perfect. I use it on fancy base too. Customers love my finished product.
Thanks for your comment!
@@hugavet3049 Thanks for the info. Now that I think about it, thanks to you, I have have noticed that every video I have seen on the subject of making any kind of a tight fitting corner with molding is a "paint grade" molding video. My home is about thirty years old and every bit of woodwork is dark stained oak, very beautiful and in my opinion, the way it should be. Boy!!!... I would love to work with you. Sounds like a lot could be learned.
Hey thanks for the compliment!
Start your career with a coping saw and practice, practice, practice!! All of these tricks, grinders, jig saws, etc. are more time consuming. I've made thousands of copes on everything from MDF to PFJ pine, to finished mahogany. Set your coping saw blade on the push stroke, back cut your copes. I dont reccomend back cutting too severely because the finished front edge ends up being weakened and could potentially collapse. Cope tight along your line so you dont by have to file or sand. "Aim small, miss small".
Agreed. Skills are important AND so is production. It takes time to reset your back cut three times on each pc. AND I need systems that work consistently. I don't have all day to train a guy how to cope quickly AND accurately. I'm not paying him $150.00/ day to wittle sticks.
Thanks for your comment though, the world needs more guys like you.
So you do not know cope with jig saw and advise others to use hand saw. LOL.
you cope with a JIG saw? Do you use the Collins coping foot? I've never tried that.
PS I've never tired coping with a HAND saw either.
many others have appreciated the video and its working for them.
@@hugavet3049 No just jig saw. With one hand I hold jig saw and with other jig saw plate. Similar what this guy do ua-cam.com/video/ogOHtaI-0oA/v-deo.html . Only I press crown to my horse with my leg (shoe off of course) to my horses. Same horses where is saw. Cut compound cut than move saw a few inches to make space for crown at horses and cut it. Here is my portfolio. s252.photobucket.com/user/bbsitum/library?page=1 . Need to say I don't see myself like a trim carpenter. I do just so much, at minimum, framing too. It just happen that I can cope and can flip a few numbers in my head (for compound cut) so I trim too. Especially when I see advice to cope with hand saw or sender, every one would ask itself why would I not install crown than.
What angle should the miter be set at for coping a 45° corner?
Question - is it absolutely necessary to have that wood strip behind moulding?
No. But it helps keep it from flipping onto the floor while the other end jumps up into your face.
very nice looks like it was folded
Is the process the same to cope a 45° angle?
Jesus Mary and Joseph.....this is going to get my guys a raise...thanks brother
Dear Bob - thanks for sharing .... great concept/tips! I assume you are using a variable speed grinder. Will a single speed basic model grinder just go out of control because the high speed is too hard to handle or do you think it would be okay?
+Eileen Ambrose . I use a single speed. Just be sure to get one that stays ON when you let go of the switch. That way you can hold it close to the top for Better control.
Is this a wood molding or polyurethane molding?
Where did you get those wall brackets or clamps? Nice job
Made them from steel straps founds in the framing lumber section
@@hugavet3049 thank you
is the corner angle 45 deg.?
The grinder must create a lot of dust in the house?
no more than the saw....beside on new construction who cares.....oh yeah maybe an anal owner or general...
Way more than a saw. I care about my health, not so much the mess. If you do crown for a living, That dust over time will kill your lungs buddy.
toscodav / agreed but crown is a minor portion of the project. I'm actually pretty conscientious about dust control. I'll run a dust deputy as much as possible. Check out my other video on the dust deputy.
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