Homelander From The Boys Is The Best Villain In Recent Television History! And This Is Why!
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- The all american star spangled Homelander is the main antagonist in amazon prime's The Boys series, itself based on the comic with the same name. Homelander features in both but he might just be BETTER in the show despite the writers repeated attempts to ruin their best character.
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Arch as Homelander. I cannot see how this could be used against him.
Ye this is def gonna be used against him. But I guess he also has the mega lore one too so? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To be fair.... Arch Would make for a pretty good hero.... Tho he would probably commit mass murderer on GW headquarters
Lmao
XD
Archlander still somehow implies less immediate danger than Arch on butter...
Considering the caliber of "heroes" this generation, Homelander might as well be a damn hero.
Horrible isnt it.
That villians are more heroic then the heroes.
"heroes" with the writing and behavior of villains, created by people with zero knowledge or respect of what came before.
We live in cynicism and nihilism, the fame of The Boys and Invincible comics are a reflection of this, in addition of virtue signal over story and character building we see on modern Marvel and DC comics. Far from the values of optimism and goodwill to our fellow men from the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Age of comics.
Somewhere deep down underneath the psychopathy and god complex Homelander genuinely wants to be a hero, and that all comes across in the performance. He's fucked up but he has enough self awareness to know that he's fucked up, it's a beautiful disaster you just can't look away from.
The weirdest thing about the power balance in season 3 are how the prop items are suddenly effective. Maeve's gauntlets suddenly can eat a full laser eye blast; Soldier Boy's suit is fine after he explodes constantly (and so is Maeve's!), etc. The only one I can buy is Soldier Boy's shield since it's literally just a big hunk of massive metal but I think they forgot unlike the Marvel universe, outside of V there's not a lot of hi-tech super-scifi stuff in this universe and that characters like Maeve do not actually possess magic items.
i thought that in season one when Homelander shot her after ripping that guys heart out
Yeah, like in the comic when Maeve try to kill Homelander with her sword he destroyed it easily and mention that the sword was a prop and was basically made from cheap weak metal like aluminum.
@@Underworlddream It doesn't matter from what that sword was made. He ignores bullets completely. Even if she can strike faster than the speed of sound - it will be just another bullet.
I hate how in the media people always expect from swords more damage than from bullets.
@@ImperativeGames more mass applied
Despite the increasingly stupid plot points in Season 2 and Season 3 and the juvenile demonization of conservatives and conservative values the acting of Antony Starr as Homelander is out of this world, he is both so nuanced and terrifying at the same time it's fascinating.
He has a lot of depth because Antony is capable of showing how Homelander's life as a product of a corporate experiment to create a "product" fucked up his life and personality pretty much beyond repair, he is evil, unpredictable and unhinged but he is also struggling with issues of acceptance and abandonment despite being invincible and super-powered.
If the show had better writing he would have been one of best characters in TV history.
they attack both sides, so i can over look some of it.. but i can absolutely agree.. the way he plays it is amazing..
@@theone4179
They really don't. They show left wing wrongs as ultimately harmless but right wing stuff as actually dangerous.
@@majdjinn5042 They only laugh at corporate pandering(while practicing it themselves...), not leftie stuff. Expected nothing less from Hollywood though lmao
btw Queen Maeve got powered up in the end just because they "didn't want to buy into the harmful trope of killing off lgbt characters", XD
@@theone4179 Not really, they passingly make fun of corporate hypocrisy when it comes to wokeness, but there is really no equivalence at all between their very mild criticism of corporate woke hypocrisy and their absolute seething hatred for anything right wing or conservative.
It's really disturbing the terrible way they depict right wingers and conservatives and demonize them and anything they say.
The thing I always find amusing is everyone's fixated on the Homelander = Trump thing, and are ignoring that Corporations and the AOC stand-in are really the puppet masters behind everything. No way Edgar was betrayed, I'm sure it was all for show.
I always assumed Homelander had a fair amount of self control. The eye lasers I thought he has lots of power settings. He can slice through an aeroplane or slowly cook someone's head. I though Madalines death was more slow and deliberate as a final torture to prove she had only and illusion of control over him. As this is a guy who can cut throught a human in seconds or slowly turned her head to charcoal. I assumed when he used his lasers on Stormfront it was a lower powered version but all supers seem to be highly resistant to damage anyway.
Oh yeah he was way off on that being a mercy killing. He coulda killed her in like 0.01 seconds if he wanted. He didn't want to.
I mean, his default state is eye laser everything he looks at, just look at him when he's born.
Exactly, the beams intensity can be controlled. Didn't get Arch's problem on that point.
He heats up a plastic bottle of her milk with the laser eyes a few days later. It was 100% a deliberately slow and painful death.
To defend the laser eye stormfront thing, it's shown throughout the show that homelander can control the intensity of his lasers (they never actually visually change the laser graphic to match this, unfortunately).
He can keep it low enough to just heat up some milk, he can slowly romantically melt someone's brain while keeping their eye sockets intact, he can just blow someone's head open, he can cut large metal structures in half, and so on.
He most likely was not actually going full intensity on stormfront with his lasers, meanwhile Ryan was defending his mom, gas pedal on the floor type lasers.
Also, THANK YOU SO MUCH for being like the first person I've seen to actually TALK about the ending scene, instead of "hurr durr homelander did an evil again"
Like, yes, he lasered a guy to death for no real big reason, yes bad, BUT
Homelander's fatherly instincts kicked in and was like "someone hurt my son, who, death"
He didn't think, even for a SECOND, about his public image, he was just pissed at a guy who attacked his son, and did something about it (albeit in a homelander-ey way)
I know the writers intended for that ending to be like some "look homelander did a bigger evil and ppl are clapping" thing, but
To me, it just looks like a dad whose instincts were willing to sacrifice everything else he cared about all for the sake of his kid. Almost Joel from The Last of Us levels of self sacrifice
if HL wanted too he could get a ethno state for people who like him an for those similar to Super powerd plebs
YES, that "defend the family" instinct is one every father should have. The S3 finale left me really conflicted betweeen "homelander bad guy/villain" and "defending your child is BASED"
The 2nd best sequence from the animated shorts they did was Homelander's first mission, where he keeps trying to save people and keeps on making it worse until he gives up on the saving them part. My favorite one was "I'll save you, hostage!" *lasers a gun* *ammo explodes* "Uhhhhh... I didn't know it'd do that!"
That and the actual Garth Ennis episodes were pretty much the only really good ones of that series.
@@Zlyxon Yeah, like half of it is zoomer trash.
little correction Arch, Hueghie hates his mother because she abandoned the family, his dad is the actual good dad, also Mother's Milk, Annie also has a terrible mother, etc it's like shitty families in general.
there's a few "bad mothers" but the fathers being universally poor in the series was hardly a mistake.
Annie being a good case-in-point because it was a mutual decision (according to her)that annie get blue-blooded as an infant.
If we’re being real becka is the only decent parent we see in general.
Annie's mother being bad is a clear jab against conservative, christian mothers. Although there is smt in there about idiot mothers who take their kids into beauty contests and whatnot, too.
@@IRMentat I would argue the point of the show is having no father is shit.
actually in the show they make this big deal about how "Oh Starlights mother was just doing what she thought was best for her child, you can't blame her for that she did it out of love so its ok."
...villain?
Based
I agree. Although the comic book version isnt as vanilla, he is a lot less relatable. Many of us can at least recognize some things in the series versions, whilst the comic book is more "pure" evil.
Plus, having Black Noir as his evil clone who went crazy from not being able to kill him was just perfect.
Especially his confession
A lot of the success of the show and popularity of Homelander as a character is thanks to the phenomenal acting of Antony Starr.
@@MrLolguy93 at tiems it feels like a lot was lost with taking that from noir. Now he’s kinda just a corporate hitman
If you expect a test tube baby raised by scientists and corporate comitee to be "relatable" you fundamentally misunderstand the character that is homelander. His tv interpretation is a pale shadow of the comic book depiction.
Comic book Homelander is like a hit piece on someone who doesn't exist.
MM doesn't knock out Todd cause he can't convince him Homelander is a bad man. He knocks him out after Todd tells him that someone has to be a father for Janine. (Suggesting that MM isnt doing his fatherly duties)
Todd wasn't exactly wrong, the hit simply backed up his point.
MM went against his own word to become a "boy" again, lied about it and put his family at risk, then became a fugitive and dragged his family into a mess they didn't know was happening.
Hardly a role-model despite the (let's be generous here) good intentions.
Yes.
I have not yet watched season 3 but I'm guessing they were trying to show that he is a racist who used the "absent father stereotype".
Pretty sure in the minds of the show runners Homelander is less a twisted version of Superman and more a completely twisted paranoid Avatar for Trump and conservatism.
Removing the f'd politics the actor does a brilliant job of manifesting Homelander.
Sadly the (brilliant) show is flirting with becoming far-left propaganda trash though.
Just like Mr Robot changed from anarchic and counter culture to left-wing propaganda (only showing the corporatist right as the bad guys, never the corporatist left).
The problem with the politics is that it's based on fake news propaganda and the insane world view created by people who believe what they are told to believe. if the showrunners understood that news has always been fake BD propaganda, they could do a good job. They clearly have talented people that know what they are doing.
I felt like The Boys were a representation of the far-left and Vought a representation of the far-right. The show demonstrates that both sides have their flaws and misconceptions. Even if one side triumphs over the other, does it actually solve anything?
I notice that NNC (CNN) are right about every single thing and Vought news (Fox news) is wrong about every single thing Within the show, which we know is far from the truth of the real world
But the show does criticize corporatist the left. It shows what frauds they are. In corporations, there is no right or left, there is only what is popular and unpopular. The corporate right and left are literally the same.
@@evilds3261 Idk about that, Butcher would be probably run out of left circles as "toxic masculinity," especially in season 1
Antony Starr's performance is great, I just wish the show wasn't so damn political.
To be fair to Omniman, he may have fit his world's role as Superman, but he isn't superman. From the start he was his own character with his own story to follow.
Also he came as a
*Conqueror* to begin with to ready Earth for the rest of his Race (in the show),- (in the Comic i think was for reproduction with human´s)
@@umbragecko7520 in the comics, it was to strip mine the planet. The resolution to that conflict is that the Viltrumites learn that humans are the perfect species to cross breed with
@@khiryhelms Good to know! even more Mess up! :D......
@@khiryhelms that's a lot more messed up than I expected.
He's Vegeta, but as Superman.
One thing that makes this homelander so good is that they take the most important part of what makes Clark such a great hero, his upbringing. And work out what kind of life a child would need to live in order to become such a sociopathic person
Ultraman being close to that.
Hughie's mom isn't dead, by the way. She simply just left, according to the show.
I honestly think in the show, Hughie's dad is the only "good' dad (aside from Homelander in the season's finale, I loved that bit). Even after Hughie's mom left them, he stuck by and tried to keep the status quo as best he could, despite heartbroken himself.
And I think Anthony Starr would make a great Ciaphas Cain, if it ever were a thing. The trope is that Cain is a tremendous coward deep inside, and yet by the sheer will of the Emperor (aka luck, and also Juergen), becomes the luckiest and most survivable hero of the imperium, thus being forever thrown into the most immediate danger. Kinda like King in One Punch Man.
a man with so many masks, it's masks all the way down
i always imagined that bruce campbell could make a great ciaphas cain. The way he acts and how he is contantly drawn into horrible chaotic shit but some how manages to pull it off with either luck or real skill and how he can be coward, heroic, dumb, inteligent all at the same time reminds me a lot to ash williams. But he is old now and Anthony Starr could make a good ciaphas.
But Arch, my boy.
You're forgetting the original Homelander.
Captain Hero from Drawn Together :)
Save yourselves!
@@DraNayban ACTIVATE HERO SHIELD
Drawn together was a masterpiece
@@lordmaur180 sadly, if it was made today, Twitter would have an aneurysm
Anthony Starr would make a great Fulgrim, if it ever comes to that.
Perturabo...
In [Current year] he'll be given the house Velaryon treatment.
What sets him aside is he's played by Antony Starr, and he's a good fucking actor
I haven't watched The Boys because the Ennis Brothers (along with Warren Ellis) are the kings of late 90's -early 2000s Edgecore and their version of clever writing is taking a traditional thing and jamming it up its own arse because a simple juxtaposition is enough. Also, because guys like the Ennis Brothers and Ellis openly admit they hate superheroes and simply used it as a step up to get their own edge core stories to sell to a wider market (Gen X in a nut shell).
Here is the example I always think of, well Garth Ennis was writing Ghost Rider he had Michael The Arch Angel give a woman an abortion simply for getting in the way of his line of sight and then proclaims he doesn't care to another angel. This plot point neither advances the story nor provides a characterization of Michael as a villain because he literally is not involved in any way with the ending of the story arc.
Been loving the series, but the writers. .. . I have doubts.
As typical for activists of this type they keep tightening the noose never offering a way out only a "wait here while we find a way to destroy you".
I half want Homelander to utterly freak out but then I know he would be cut down by plot-convenience before he gets half way to anywhere of import.
The subtle as cyanide Conservative bashin' (the Qanon Shaman expy is one example of this) puts me off of what is otherwise a great show.
Or the acquiescence of logic in favor of creating plot holes just to save and preserve THE MESSAGE. Chief example of this, really, is the none-too subtle double-standard of Starlight acquiring Compound V just for the totally-innocent-and-not-deranged Kimiko, but casually refusing to get any more for either Hughie or Butcher despite knowing that they're just going to keep rocking the Temp V in order to gain the upper hand over Homelander and whomever else is still backing him.
And then Hughie just gives up on the Temp V because.... "Oh shit Starlight, you're totally right. I just wanted to feel like I could stand up to super-powered 'Heroes' for once after having not actually accomplished anything for the last two seasons and after having not actually gotten any sort of justice for Robin. Who's still dead, btw, and whose killer is still running around. Yeah, that's on me. My bad."
@@killer25014 It's not a double standard because the decision to get v wasn't just based in philosophical moral reasons but practical reasons as well. Compound v is not safe to give to adults and in many cases have outright killed subjects. The reason she got it for Kimiko was because she is someone who HAS successfully been injected before and therefore is under less risk. And temp V, as revealed in the show is lethal after 3 doses which is why Butcher stopped Hughie from taking it. Hughie's arc in season 3 was about learning that there are different kinds of strength. And that he can be useful despite not being able to fight on the level of supes.
MM smacked the step-dad because he said/implied MM was not a proper father.
MM lost his cool due to the insult not cause he lost his argument.
Otherwise Great breakdown.
to be fair doing that does prove the point
Dont let his brilliant performance distract you from how inconsistent his character is.
Are you suggesting people themselves cannot realistically be inconsistent?
@@evilds3261 Im suggesting that the script doesn't know who their characters are after a couple pages each time.
The cup thing. Maybe he in a kind of shock. He was at ease expecting everything to go well, he had his guard down and simply could not convince someone would do that to his son. When it happened even though he had the physical ability to react, he was so shocked at what was happening he mentally could not. I think we have all had those deer in headlight moments where we are so surprised by what happened so in shock that we simply do not react even though we have reacted to other similar actions well within time.
That makes a lot of sense. Sometimes your mind can see what's happening in front of you, but just can't process a response because of shock or sheer disbelief.
Homelander is the best part of the Boys, but there are so many things that just turn me off from finishing season 3. The lazy COVID allegory, the flip flopping morales, the seeming return to status quo with only two changes, etc….. it just feels like it’s not worth it. Hell, Soldier Boy is Jensen Eckles one of my most favorite actors ever and yet I find his character meh because you can predict every twist two or three episodes in advance cause he’s just Stormfront but not a Nazi. Just basic writing hidden behind blood, sex, and reputation.
Leftist writing
Nuff said
Just FFW the token characters.
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Exactly, spot on, season 1 was really good with very little in terms of modern day political propaganda, meanwhile season 2 and 3 are really REALLY bad, there is no equivalence at all between their very mild criticism of corporate woke hypocrisy and their absolute seething hatred for anything right wing or conservative.
The terrible way they depict right wingers and conservatives and demonize them and anything they say is really infuriating (for example by making a villain say something like All Lives Matter, as if that's a bad thing or going to change the validity of that statement), there is also inconsistent logic and lots of projection, one example with guns, they try to make conservatives look like gun-totting lunatics (the gun show episode) when at the same time the main characters in the Boys all use illegally obtained guns and use them quite liberally and the show is totally OK with that, on top of that they paint anybody who mentions George Soros as an evil deranged conspiracy theorist (Gun Powder) when even leftist publications in real life admit he is interfering in US politics and funding the election of progressive DAs in many US cities (the same ones who kept letting dangerous criminals get out of jail early without any real punishment for their henhouse crimes so they can vote Democrat), the list is too long to cover here.
And to top all of that they didn't have the balls to kill or severely injure any major character, the ending of season 3 is basically a reset back to the ending of season 2 with only one or two little differences, quite a shame really.
>The lazy COVID allegory
Yeah, that didn't work at all. Esp since the good guys wanted the public to do what, shelter in place so that when Soldier Boy goes off he still nukes them and the building they're standing in?
Hey now, concerning mothers. Starlight's mother is horrible.
in the beginning. I guess she does get a redemption. Any father figure getting one?
Yes, Hughies dad in fact. Mentioned a few times during season 3.
came back to appreciate how 2-3 other media outlets (copy-paste conveyors) "spontaneously" made basically the same article within a week of this video :)
all those seasons of the boys already and the timing? ~chefs kiss~ perfect
Archlander of the frigid north, and his army of Archers and Architect minions!
Where do I sign up to get a snazzy uniform and free dental?
They are called artillery and engineers these days.
I wanted to see what would happen if Homelander lost his powers, even if only for a very short amount of time.
I'm hoping him and ryan lose their powers in the end. Not w redemption arc, but more of a "go live with your own" way.
@@t-rex_tion9612 and then he gets his ass beaten for all the people he killed. Who knows
Absolutely fuck all nothing. Plot armor FTW.
@@Hisu0 based
@@Hisu0 much based.
I think you're spot-on about why he's such a good villain, and I think it's at least partly accidental. MM's ex-wife's boyfriend is portrayed as right-wing, listening to "alternative media", and at a rally with banners saying "god & guns"... but it's the mainstream media that's unequivocally pro-Homelander, he's a secular power raised in a lab and not in church, and he'd disarm the planet _Superman IV_ style - "what do you need guns for? I'm the only protection you need". He clearly doesn't value free speech/protest, or a right to due process.
Homelander, as you note, doesn't view people as individuals with rights, he views them as part of the collective that loves and/or fears him. And, like all collectivist regimes, sees no problem at all in executing the enemies of "The People".
21:30 you do have a very good point here. Homelander gave her a pick (however grudgingly), he just wanted to pick the other one. Starlight kind of forgot who she was dealing with and did something incredibly dumb by antagonizing him. Had she just gone to him and tried a more diplomatic approach she may have gotten him to pick someone besides the fucking Deep, maybe. Or at least kept things more civil. Hughie did tell her not to take Edgars offer since he know it wouldn't keep homelander in check but she got a taste of power and wanted more. Understandable but foolish nonetheless. I do honestly pity homelander.
Interesting breakdown! For my money, Omni-Man is the better evil Superman but Homelander is pretty great too for a lot of the reasons you describe. In the end I prefer Omni-man cause I personally find the effects of century long life on a very human mindset to be very compelling and interesting, especially Omni-man's conflict with his own humanity. Homelander, for as well performed and interesting as he is, doesn't fill the Evil Superman archetype for me purely because the only thing he has in common with Superman are all superficial, that being the color scheme, having a Justice League knock off, and the powers. Character and backstory wise, there's just very very little in common. You could argue that's part of the point and Homelander is what would happen if Superman wasn't raised by the Kents but was found and raised by a corporation, but at that point can you still say he's a Superman-expy?
Does seem like they are building up to the comic book ending where the military reveals they've had anti-super weapons all along by killing all the supers.
Butcher had a hand in that though. Without the research he provided thanks to a plot twist in the comics as well as their adventure to russia to start production on the stuff. So i'd say they havnt had those weapons for long. Though then again there are so many differences between the comic and the streaming serie that it is a whole different story alltogether.
They've confirmed there will be a new Black Noire..... so i'm guessing they're going for the comic ending.
Jerry questioned MMs role as a father, he got punched out. Jerry is the deluted super fan that believes everything he sees on TV.
Imagine how uninteresting this show would be if they had anyone less talented than Starr as Homelander. He's been the only thing keeping it going for two seasons.
It's a shame how quickly people forgot about Tywin Lannister portrayed by Charles Dance
Or alternatively, in a few words: he's a complex villain. The best kind, and the one that is unfortunately the most rare since in majory of situations the villains are not treated as humans, or you know a living, complex being in case it's an alien or something.
That Archlander art is pretty damn nice.
It's quite telling that in the second season, "I can do whatever the fuck I want!" went from a one-off line to his full-on catchphrase basically.
Here is what I would love to see for the end, a Homelander redemption arc. Their are many ways to do this, but I would find it amusing.
hmm... so Homelander is exactly as powerful as the plot currently requires him to be? Well, he is a superman spinoff, makes sense :P
When he snaps and kills a bunch of people, it will be interesting to see how people react because there will still be the ones cheering him on…will he be devastated and give up or will he keep the killing going to have some minimal amount of adoration?
It literally happens at the end of season 3 and it is one of the most underwhelming scenes ever....
@@John21WoW based f the cuccdad
"minimal amount of adoration"
That actually brings up an interesting thought. As Arch comments, Homelander is written with "my family and everyone else" mind set and his family was he alone for a long time. Everyone else he views as a collective. One collective. Sure, if he sits down and thinks actions and situations through. He will consider individuals, and multiple groups. But in general thinking he sees us all the same. With that in mind 28:10 looks not just like a "happy i didn't fuck up", but down right an epiphany. That we have groups that don't value the life of other groups. Quite the opposite even.
Public killing is now on the table of popularity measures.
2:38 OSP did a video on Superman recently where they suggested Omniman wasn't the Superman, but rather Invincible was; it's essentially a story of "what if Superman had an evil dad with his powerset"
They actually did worse and likened Homelander to Trump, which is a big reason I stopped watching the Boys.
Tbh not far off. Corruption, born being well off, family wasn't completely there in everything, had always been in public eyes and sensebof approval, though Trump has always had groups of people hated and love him. Heveas able to pay through multiple sandals.
@@hopeintruth5119 And this is why I fucking hate this show now, because idiots who think the MSM are truthful eat that cut together bullshit up like flies.
What corruption? You mean the Russia stuff that democrats spent 4 fucking years to prove with no fucking evidence that morons still believe is true?
He clothes his naked villainy to seem a saint, where at most he plays the devil.
1:20 - Ah yes, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
4:10 - One that has delusions of godhood.
10:25 - So the writers have daddy issues?
14:30 - Every villain is the hero in their own story.
18:05 - Hitting him where it really hurt?
22:00 - Ah yes, Niccolo Machiavelli, the patron saint of spin.
More Archlander memes are needed where he is sitting atop a pile of pastries.
Thanks for the video Arch
Another good Superman gone wrong story is "Superman: Red Son," where instead of landing in rural America his ship landed in the Soviet Union.
So, we know Soldier Boy was Homelander's dad, but who was the egg donor? There's only one supe of that Era with a similar power set similar to him:
Liberty aka Stormfront
*gagging noises*
or it could either be a normal woman or an undisclosed super
@@lmul1441 possibly, but i think my hypothesis is more likely
Also more disgusting, but what else do we expect from Hollywood these days?
@@paladinebahamut but if she was the mom donor, would she have known? Still gross if true but neither could be blamed for it if she didn't know.
@@lmul1441 probably not something that was on her mind. She was a psychopath, after all
I started watching the show recently but stopped after the scene with Starlight killing the guy trying to defend himself in the middle of nowhere because I felt it totally undercut the entire supposed point of the show aka standing up for oneself (apparently unless it goes against lefty talking points). But I'm tempted to try and finish it just to see more of Homelander since he is the first American villain I've seen in a while that was well-done. Though I still think he should have killed Vought's CEO after he talked down to him at the beginning of season 2 since A. he had already killed Madeline and B. the entire argument aside from being pompous the argument was outright stupid. We aren't a superhero company, we're a pharmaceutical company.... whose top pharmaceutical product was developed seventy years ago, before the company was founded, whose primary effect was to create superheroes, which until recently been completely secret and thus had not been sold to anyone outside of the company and thus the only way to monetize its existence was to create and then stage-manage superheroes. But yeah, Vought totally ISN'T a superhero company.
You conservatives are so thin-skinned -.- And you complain about Liberals being too sensitive to watch some shows.
1. The show isn't about standing up for yourself. It's a deconstruction of Superhero/celebrity culture. The scene where Starlight kills a man is supposed to show how jaded she's become by the ongoing conflict and we aren't supposed to fully sympathize with the action.
2. Yes, vought IS a pharmaceutical company. Just because its top product makes superheroes doesn't make it not a pharmaceutical company anymore. And they still have products outside of the superhero business.
3. Homelander can't just go around killing people willy nilly because he values his reputation. He got away with Madeline because, unlike with Stan, he could actually get away with it. She was already in a position where she was going to die and her body would be damaged enough that no one could link it back to him.
Omni-mans the visual represantation of J. Jonah Jamerson gone mad with power..
Hes what we should never let the media become... godlike.😉😂
I genuinely enjoy homelander. I love his personality, i mean, it makes complete sense why he does what he does, and is the way he is. His upbringing and the way he is mentally now, makes sense. And his actions reflect this. I greatly written villain.👌
An import proto-example of Superman gone evil: Marvelman by Alan Moore.
The character of Homelander is so well written it scares the crap out of me. He is truly an all-powerful and utterly terrifying bad guy. Sort of like what if Superman was the baddie.
Excellent video. I'd like to see more like this exploring the Lore of The Boys
Sorry but Soldier Boy is just straight up better
Ooooh wait I forgot he's not a villain :D
He actually is. He is a shit father that helped in Homelander becoming the broken man that he is.
And boring
10:27 Arch, if you want a show that has a very positive portrayal of father figures in their children's lives, I suggest you watch Arcane. There's not 1, not 2, but 3 really good examples of caring dads that you can cite.
Arcane is overrated trash.
what is scary is homelander is a better person then most of us would be given such power .
Unsure. Many of us do value human life more than homelander does, for having to stay on their levels for decades. Homelander never was an equal to normal huans, he always was above them... if someone was to gain homelander's power, he wouldnt instantly forget his life as a mere human and consider humans expendable.
@@thorveim1174 Highly... HIGHLY doubt that. We as humans are inherently selfish creatures and especially for most of humanity, living shitty lives, working shitty jobs, being beaten down by fellow people and the government, give any person like that power, and most will lash out and look out for the person who matters most, themselves.
He certainly values human life as much as your average person. Not at all.
I've said it before and will say it again, if you want to see how people would react with unlimited power just play an online multiplayer videogame that's infested by cheaters, like GTA:Online. Lost of people will jump up and say "But I'm a good modder!" and then proceed to crash half a dozen players for shooting them while they were in god mode.
@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 That's not the point; that's also why it's not serious. The point is how quickly absolute power, even in a tiny little simulated environment, turn people into monsters who morally justify all of their actions and keep insisting "they are the good ones."
It's like the prisoner/prison guard experiment. It's not real and it's happening in an artificial environment, but you can see the behavior all the same.
Why shill for a show that hates you?
Reminds me of when people were clapping for the recent Batman movie a few months back, despite that cringy scene with Catwoman talking about "muh whites"
This. They're not subtle about it either. It's one of the major plot points in the last seasons
Did you watch that movie? The movie is literally 3 hours long and that scene lasts 2 seconds. Batman overpowers Catwoman in every fight they have without breaking a sweat. I hate woke trash ( oh boy, MSheU and Star Wars have been fulll to the brim with this in the last years...) but hating on The Batman for a 2 seconds scene is overreacting. I knew of that scene before watching the movie and went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised.
@@John21WoW "Oh you're just overreacting pal, it's just two seconds!"
"Oh you're just overreacting pal, it's just a side character!"
"Oh you're just overreacting pal, your expectations are just too high!"
yes i've heard all of it before, i just don't care lol
the dead fish syndrome of comments like yours is what got us here, if you really "hate woke trash" you wouldn't give these tools a penny, let alone two seconds worth of your time
I believe quite firmly that Homelander is basically a superpowered version of Bill "D-FENS" Foster from Falling Down.
Didn’t even start watching your video yet, but you’re absolutely right. Terrifying
I think you mean Archlander is the best👌
first positive take on the show ive understood. nicely done.
In the comic book hes written even better. There in the end of the comics run you find out that he didn't actually do most of the evil things hes blamed for. It was an evil clone who just wanted to ruin his life. So yeah in the comic he has all kinds of delusions and visions of doing terrible things to other people who annoy him. However at the end of the day don't most people. And at the end of the day for him that's all they were just imagination (day dreaming). And yet he gets blamed for so many horrible things and winds up snapping.
No. The comic just had a good twist for him. Homelander as a character is far less developed. He's just an over compensating man child with a god complex.
I can see the need to talk about the best Villain of the show, yet may i tempt you to make another on the true villain of the show? The charming Butcher.
If you limit the choices to television and movies I completely agree.
I do love my Lex Luthor, Doctor Doom, and Black Adam.
But it depends on the writers to make them shine and I would argue those three are pretty much antiheroes 😜
I hope arch will say the same about his favourite “hero” corpse Emperor
The Boys is absolute shite, badly written, chock full of leftism, unbelievably bad plot contrivances, Homelander is the only thing that comes close to being enjoyable in it.
Fantastic Homelander video perfect comparisons starting at 1:23
Finally some context to what the fuck Arch is talking about when he brings up his mancrush.
Also the best depiction of politics ever by the way. Minus super heros. But that's basically how the world actually works.
Homelander is amazing villain and Antony Starr deserves awards for it.
However, Starlight is one of the worst. Her plot armour is sooo so thick. Also she constantly makes stupid decisions. She tries to keep Hughie back from possibly using the only way to kill Homelander. She secretly films Homelander to save herself despite the fact it could possibly endanger the lives of thousands maybe millions. Just depends one whether or not he gets bored. She’s portrayed as a hero for the people yet she hardly fights for them. Hell she even possibly kills one in the car scene. When she gets to herogasm she spends way to much time trying to convince Hughie rather than immediately warning everyone.
She also fails to see Hughie’s side of the argument. And when it gets out she was at Herogasm with another man combined with people talking about his troubles making a kid, he would get torn to shreds over that. All he wanted to do was not be the punching bag, and what does she do? Kick him down again and again and again.
Writing is extremely important. It can make 9/10
But good actor ? Can rise role up to 11/10.
"I live for laughter,
I live for the crowd,
Without them, I am nothing"
Jack of the Green
In the original comics it was Noir Black that killed Homelander. because he was Homelander 2.0 who had been raised only to kill him if he ever got out of line. Literally his upgraded clone. In a VERY FUN twist it turns out that it was also Noir that did most of Homelander's worst deeds in order to frame him so his orders could go through. He wanted to kill Homelander, but wouldn't do it without permission. And the final fight between the two kills Homelander and weakens Noir to the point that Butcher can finish him off. Of course by that point Noir is just a technically living skeletons with some organs and skin wrapped around it. But still alive.
Hughie's mother didn't die, she left her husband and son, presumably to get with someone else. Hughie blamed his father for being weak, for not going after her, fighting for her, this plays into his complex of feeling inadequate when it comes to Starlight/Annie. Uh mother's milk made the argument, he made it several times with Todd, Todd however wanted to be a smart ass and throw the fact that his girlfriend's daughter was being raised by him, that deserved the five finger put down he got. On one hand, you talk about fathers showing their sons restraint, yet failed to point out this is a situation where it's up to the individual whether or not they want to show restraint or let the fist do the talking. The Law might say it isn't deserving, but the consensus of public opinion will definitely say otherwise. We've invented the idea of "Respecting" one another for a reason, Todd choose to do otherwise, and therefore Todd forgot that his actions have consequences and thus had to be corrected.
Anyone else remember his rant about the boys show either during the tomb kings playtho or his shogun playtho
Archlander has a nice ring to it.
Antony Starr is the only good point in the entire show, which is ironic, because his character is complete crap. He isn't a great super villain, he's just a spoiled child with the ability to kill anyone and everyone whenever he wants. There is no nuance here; Homelander gets what Homelander wants. Brilliant acting doesn't cover for a paper-thin villain.
I agree I don't understand the appeal of Homelander or the rest of the show. The writers are stuck in some kind of time loop. They still think it's 2003.
Worst part of season three is that we now have to wait at least a year for season four.
Great review! I like your channel. SUBBED!
He's an evil man that wants to be good and loved. He commits evil to try and achieve being a hero loved by people.
Maybe it would be too on the nose, but I could see them giving his character a presidential run like Lex Luthor.
Homelander can use his laser eyes at different intensities.. Wich is shown with him heating the milk at the beginning of season 2.. Which Ryan could not yet so he used it at full power killing Becca and seriously injury stormfront,while being angry and scared.
1:04 That's more or less my problem with evil Supes, unless he is an elseworld Supes with the primary Supes to stop him there is no choice but to nerf him in both power and intelligence to an incredibly boring degree. This isn't so much a problem for other properties like Invincible or The Boys which have an evil Superman-like figure because they dont carry the baggage of actually being Superman
The thing I love the most about homelander despite the fact I have not watched this show is that in the series he is the strongest character that everyone is afraid of when you compare him to pretty much any relatively strong anime characters he pretty much always loses which is just hilarious to me even when he isn't in a verses battle with anime characters he's also just much weaker than other evil Superman's which is just hilarious considering how strong he is in the show.
Why the Homelander vs Omni-Man meme is pretty funny. Homelander's the biggest threat in The Boys but wouldn't last two seconds on that scale.
Plus Omni-Man could really offer some him great pointers on how to obliterate a civilization effectively.
@@BlazingOwnager homelander is really weak even compared to characters that are just as strong or just slightly less strong than him because he's really bad at fighting and doesn't have any special abilities like stopping time or something to make fights against equal opponents a little bit easier besides the laser eyes which could be predicted and dodged by a skilled enough character that's just as strong as him overall he is really just a big fish in a small pond in the grand scheme of things.
I don't know, I don't think the show hates fathers entirely. Huey's dad is always a good guy, Starlight's mom is an selfish ahole, etc.
I find it amusing how in their pollution of the word nazi they have forgotten how to depict them in tv
FINALLY A WORTHY WALLPAPER !
Homelander is one of favorite characters from the boys.
Imagining a Homelander actually raised by Stormfront/Liberty & Soldierboy is kinda terrifying yet interesting.
Stormfront - Okay mein kinder, what do we do with
Soldier Boy - (enters room) what’s going on?
Stormfront - Nothing, just some history lesions
Homelander - Mommy was telling me about ze Jewish question.
Stormfront - ……..
Soldier Boy - ……..
If propaganda wasn't entertaining you wouldn't watch it.
I was always under the impression that he didn't stop the cup because he was distracted by the crowd he was trying to soak in the attention he got because he revealed oh by the way I have a son who is going to be just as strong as me
Some of them do have bad mother's too. I mean, Hughys mom left his dad and starlight's mom was obsessed with her being a 'famous superhero'. Homelander had no parents and, like you said, he 'needs'/wants a family. Hell, he even had a scene or two where he is talking with himself and he even begins to 'downplay' him as "a weak human".
Oi! Pick up the phone ya bastards! I called it :D
Archlander "I can do whatever the FUCK I want"
no way! handsome jack: ''hold my beer"
Ah yes. The 'what if Superman was evil" villain. Truly a creative, never-before-seen masterpiece. As fresh and desirable as a beaten-to-death horse lying in the summer sun.
Needless to say, I don't get the fascination with this character.
Dislike 😐
It's a well-done Evil Superman, not just evil for evil's sake, although he is getting there. And it's all the stuff around him that's interesting. Well, at least in the first couple of seasons before it all went down to Predictably Random Shit Creek.
@@0bzen22 I just find the whole concept so boring now. Injustice, Red Son, that weird movie with the evil "superman" child. It's done to death. Time to move on.
@@PhilosophicallyAmerican another loser trying to hype up the fact that he doesn't get it as a strength of character instead of what it is: a fault.
@@0bzen22 Isn't he evil for the sake of it? The only thing that held him back was his image and vought, but outside of that he just did whatever he wanted with the knowledge that vought would protect him and cover up his criminal behavior since he earned them a lot of money.
Archlander the Hero the world deserves, But yes i enjoy the show and the Homelander question is great, He is a villian, and a hero