B-17 Flying Fortress : The Mighty 8th Redux | First Look!

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  • Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
  • Lets have a first look at the new B-17 The Mighty 8th Redux game which is due for early access release. Lets head up for a quick mission and have a look around the game.
    Please be aware this footage is from an early development version which is constantly being updated and the release version will be a more advanced version.
    The classic game remastered. Feel the power of flying a 10-men crew on a B-17 over occupied Europe in WWII. Plan the mission, choose your men and take action in every post onboard, from pilot to bombardier and machine gunners. Get ready for a high-flying adventure in this all-time classic remake
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    ABOUT THIS GAME
    The missions undertaken by the crews of B-17 bombers during World War II are the stuff of legend. What was it like to fly through relentless anti-aircraft fire over Nazi-occupied Europe? What was it like to have a thin layer of steel between life and death at 15,000 feet? How did it feel to furiously fend off enemy fighters zipping around your plane and then to precisely deliver your payload over enemy targets?
    Find out for yourself as you lead a 10-man crew to victory... or defeat... against squadrons of Nazi warplanes in the legendary B-17 Flying Fortress!
    Redux
    The same experience remastered with the original engine upgraded to support the functionality present in DX 12. Working on the redux will give us the opportunity to look back and learn in order to push forward with future Flying Fortress titles.
    Features
    Take Control of Different Crew Roles aboard a B-17
    Historical Campaigns
    Quick Start Missions
    Training Missions
    Historical Missions
    Updated visuals and interface
    An Early Access From the Inside Out
    During the early access release the game will continue to be updated.
    Currently you can look forward to seeing:
    Updated B-17 Interiors
    New Crew Models
    Updated Interfaces, no more comic sans in the interface
    Music in menus
    Updated Front end menus
    Updated Airfield interiors
    Aspect Ratio upgrade from 4:3 to 16:9
    In progress Terrain enhancements, including being able to see further into the distance making the navigator's job a little easier
    Improvements to the original Mighty 8th engine that have resulted in smoother frame rates and better performance on modern machines
    We are focused on continuing to improve the game as time goes on. The planned improvements include:
    Updated B-17 Exteriors
    Updated Fighter Exteriors
    Improved player control options
    New Missions
    Improvements to training missions and tutorials to better onboard new players
    A New game manual
    Larger Aircraft Formations
    And more
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  • @campbellgalloway1829
    @campbellgalloway1829 7 місяців тому +267

    I purchased this game when it first came out back in the nighties and have at least 4000 hours on it and now at 62 years old I still love playing it out of all the flight Sims I have 😊

    • @mattjohnson7369
      @mattjohnson7369 7 місяців тому +10

      Its an immersive experience. A lot of modern flight sims lack that despite the higher accuracy and fidelity.

    • @ARescueToaster
      @ARescueToaster 7 місяців тому +5

      @@mattjohnson7369 Now if we could get a marriage of those two.. Hopefully the Bloody 100th will be a good step in that direction

    • @Whimpy13
      @Whimpy13 7 місяців тому +7

      You do know you can timeskip? 😋 It took quite some time for me to find that out in the original Elite on the C64. I spent the time reading comics until you ran into pirats. ☺

    • @Debbiebabe69
      @Debbiebabe69 7 місяців тому +4

      You wont have bought this game in the 1990s as it didnt come out until 2000 ;)
      I presume you are on about 'B17 Flying Fortress', the original B17 game. 'B17 Flying Fortress The Mighty Eighth', the game this remake is based on, was the sequel to B17.

    • @Vachalen
      @Vachalen 7 місяців тому +12

      @@Debbiebabe69 Give the man a break he is 62, I'm 50 and I forget stuff that happened 30 yrs ago... sometimes.

  • @josteingravvik2381
    @josteingravvik2381 7 місяців тому +227

    I do like the improvements they have done, but I did honestly expect more... And, I noticed that there were still containerships in the port. Containerships weren't invented yet during WW2. Hopefully they have more improvements in the pipeline. Anyway, thanks for uploading this Taff !! Greets from Norway

    • @kellyshistory306
      @kellyshistory306 7 місяців тому +7

      With any luck, early access means the other stuff is going to get improved. A road map would be nice, I dunno if they put one out or not however.

    • @josteingravvik2381
      @josteingravvik2381 7 місяців тому +5

      @@kellyshistory306 Yeah, I don't know if there's a roadmap neighter. I think it might be too much wishfull thinking of us to expect a whole lot more while they are still working on the brand new game....

    • @mattjohnson7369
      @mattjohnson7369 7 місяців тому +4

      @@josteingravvik2381 They haven't done much to the externals yet, that's due during EA. I would certainly let them know about container ships though during EA :).

    • @artao5
      @artao5 7 місяців тому +3

      um .... Gotta ask ... What do you mean by "container ships?" EDIT: AH! I see. Nevermind then. Yeah. Quick eyes eh. :)

    • @josteingravvik2381
      @josteingravvik2381 7 місяців тому +2

      @@artao5 Yeah, they were in the original game too. It doesn't Really bother me though, it's just a small observation ! :)

  • @dtimm612
    @dtimm612 5 місяців тому +15

    Just pulled my original copy out of storage, the manual is 152 pages long! Back when games had detailed instructions. And the large colored fold out reference card for each flyable plane was great. Even though it was supper buggy I still have fond memories playing this a lot back in the early 2000s

  • @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo
    @Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo 7 місяців тому +177

    The graphics are better, but I had expected more.

    • @oscodains
      @oscodains 7 місяців тому +35

      ‘B-17: The Bloody 100th’ may be the game you’re looking for - it’s the next game in the series & photorealistic.

    • @majorborngusfluunduch8694
      @majorborngusfluunduch8694 7 місяців тому +6

      The game isn't done. Its going to get better during EA.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 місяців тому +5

      Yeah, so far they've done all the 2D graphics, but very little of the 3D graphics.

    • @Echo_4609
      @Echo_4609 7 місяців тому +5

      Its early access and a redux, not a remaster or remake. The only goal is to update the textures and basic optimization of the game. Virtually nothing else will be changed

    • @AnAmericanDodo
      @AnAmericanDodo 7 місяців тому +5

      I hope the 3d models would be improved. The engine cowlings and wheels really show the age of the models. A second hope is an improvement of the terrain textures. Volumetric clouds would also be desired. If those improve I'd expect the game to look good, not DCS good, but good enough to suspend disbelief.

  • @mekowgli
    @mekowgli 7 місяців тому +18

    What I would like more than anything from Microprose is a remake of 1942 "Pacific Air War" with modern graphics. Hands down my favorite sim of all times.

    • @darrensmith9356
      @darrensmith9356 6 місяців тому +1

      I tried to like that but struggled. Still, I persevered with it far more than 1944 - Across the Rhine. That game was obtusely difficult to get into and dare I say it, too much for the PC hardware of the era to cope with.
      However, if they are ‘reduxing’ a lot of their back catalogue - I cannot wait for M1 Tank Platoon to make an appearance. One of my all time favourite pseudo-simulations.

    • @ernest9727
      @ernest9727 5 місяців тому

      First thing I thought when I saw this video in my suggestions.

    • @stevweidlich
      @stevweidlich 4 місяці тому +1

      Or Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe - which was my favorite game around that era.

  • @AndiKoehn
    @AndiKoehn 7 місяців тому +13

    Good ol times when games came in a card box with full documentation, charts and stuff. 😊 Good memories.
    This still needs a lot of work to give me some itches again. Those textures man... Holy sh... 😅

  • @kerry1215
    @kerry1215 7 місяців тому +80

    I am hoping they update the models as well as the terrain/targets prior to release.

    • @neptunenavalmods4420
      @neptunenavalmods4420 7 місяців тому +17

      They are also working on a 100% new B-17 game with modern graphics; I heard it will also have Lancasters and B-24s

    • @cowboy10uk
      @cowboy10uk 7 місяців тому

      They will be updated after the early release on Friday. ( might be coming out Thurs can’t remember )

    • @thencrranger5628
      @thencrranger5628 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@cowboy10ukaccording to steam, it's going to come out in 8 hours from now.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому +2

      Loads of things still in development..watch this space :-p

    • @beedalton9675
      @beedalton9675 7 місяців тому

      ​@@TaffinExile is this one still avaliable to download?? It was supposed to be released today

  • @nickjoy8868
    @nickjoy8868 7 місяців тому +31

    Up to the plane shots, graphics looked greatly improved. But then straight back to the hexagonal tyres! Look forward to seeing you play a campaign on this redux version Taff.

    • @Vipre-
      @Vipre- 7 місяців тому +6

      Yeah they mentioned they haven't gotten to that yet as most of the focus went into the interiors. Doesn't look like they got to the terrain map either which is a big reason I don't play the original much.

  • @armatian
    @armatian 7 місяців тому +8

    This game had a mind blowing damage model, everytime you saw Microprose on the screen you were in for a massive experience. Such times, i dont like seeing how dated it is now frankly, in my memory it was cinematic.

    • @DenKHK
      @DenKHK 6 місяців тому +3

      I know how you feel! I used to play Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe in the early 90s and clearly remembered being awed by the graphics. So recently I looked up a replay of it and was aghast at what it looks like by today's standards... but one thing I still miss is the level of immersion, the career/campaigns of the older games. Like this one - flying through flak in this game somehow felt more immersive than even modern games like Il2.
      Good video and narration, very enjoyable especially with the dry humour~ :) Perhaps if TG actually downed an enemy fighter he'd get a Medal of Honor!

  • @keithmchugh5403
    @keithmchugh5403 7 місяців тому +39

    I wish they did this for European air war as well. I believe that was a Microprose game as well. I have been playing WW2 flight sims for 20 years and that was the best out of all of them by far.

    • @Pakal77
      @Pakal77 7 місяців тому +2

      I agree.

    • @blodiblodmann9207
      @blodiblodmann9207 7 місяців тому +1

      You played the Il 2 series? EAW was good in it's time, but Il 2 was a huge step ahead.

    • @keithmchugh5403
      @keithmchugh5403 7 місяців тому +1

      @@blodiblodmann9207 yes absolutely and those are definitely great! In my opinion I just think EAW was the best of them all but IL2 is amazing

    • @OpenGL4ever
      @OpenGL4ever 7 місяців тому +4

      @@keithmchugh5403 If you ask me i would say Battle of Britain: Their finest hour and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe from LucasArts where the best.
      Reason: They offered a great campaign mode.

    • @pxdave7488
      @pxdave7488 7 місяців тому +2

      IL2 was a huge step ahead, but EAW always was my favorite. Something about the massive feel of the air battles never felt as well done after EAW to me

  • @moconnell663
    @moconnell663 6 місяців тому +2

    I've never played this game, but the initial briefing format brought back lots of childhood memories of F117A Stealth Fighter, which used exactly the same format only with slightly more modern furniture.

  • @SOLDADITO76
    @SOLDADITO76 7 місяців тому +7

    Decent progress so far, definitely looking forward to updates as the MicroProse team continues to shine up this classic.

  • @AdrenalineJunky17
    @AdrenalineJunky17 7 місяців тому +4

    I used to play this game when I was a kid. I remember planning so many different bombing missions and letting them play all day long.

  • @Joe93819
    @Joe93819 7 місяців тому +4

    I remember seeing screenshots 4 years ago for the redux version and finally the wait is over! Only took 4 long years and a lot of doubt

  • @ecsdastro8236
    @ecsdastro8236 6 місяців тому +2

    I'm glad to see Microprose is back in the game again. They were one of the top tier studios back in the day then seemed to just vanish.
    Would be nice of Janes started producing sims again but really we have DCS for that

  • @JonRattlehead
    @JonRattlehead 7 місяців тому +2

    As someone who didn't get to play the original back in the day, I'm very excited about this.

  • @Nangleator22
    @Nangleator22 7 місяців тому +4

    Exciting to have this old entertainment come back fresh for us!

  • @TOTAL457
    @TOTAL457 7 місяців тому +4

    I remember this game. 40 years ago I played it on my ATARI STE. It had only 1Mb of RAM. This brings nice memories. I was so hooked to this game.

    • @AudioJellyfish
      @AudioJellyfish 5 місяців тому

      It's a different game. it's the one that came out in 2000.

  • @Ayns.L14A
    @Ayns.L14A 7 місяців тому +12

    This looks so promising, it obviously needs a bit of work but it's looking great so far.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому +1

      Yeah its a good first step and there are some big improvements planned for future deveopement steps

    • @Ayns.L14A
      @Ayns.L14A 7 місяців тому

      @@TaffinExile can't wait.....

  • @cheemy1000
    @cheemy1000 7 місяців тому +1

    This a game that is screaming out for a complete modern overhaul. I loved this game in the 90's. A rewrite from the ground up with updated GFX to rival the visuals of DCS or MS Flight Sim. Yes please

  • @Debbiebabe69
    @Debbiebabe69 7 місяців тому +3

    For those wondering, this was NOT 'the first B17 game'. 'B17 Flying Fortress', released in the 90s, was the first one. 'B17 Flying Fortress The Mighty Eighth'', the game this remake is based on, was the sequel to B17. The game was notorious because it was VERY hard to run, you had to have a really high spec for the time PC, in an era when graphics cars were just starting to come mainstream and CD drives and sound cards were still optional extras

    • @damos8406
      @damos8406 6 місяців тому

      I had B-17 Flying fortress on my Intellivision (with the Intellivoice module) in the mid 80's, pretty sure it released in '82.

    • @Debbiebabe69
      @Debbiebabe69 6 місяців тому +1

      @@damos8406 no, that was B17 Bomber, a completely different game to the Microprose series.

  • @GloryTime1611
    @GloryTime1611 7 місяців тому +29

    Calm down airmen, still got 24 missions to go before discharge.

    • @thatguy7085
      @thatguy7085 6 місяців тому

      The 25 missions was not true. My father did 35.

    • @theradgegadgie6352
      @theradgegadgie6352 6 місяців тому

      ​@@thatguy7085Depends on what year it was.

    • @theradgegadgie6352
      @theradgegadgie6352 6 місяців тому

      You didn't get discharged, you just got leave and reassignment.

  • @MrLimboTime
    @MrLimboTime 7 місяців тому +1

    The fact that ill be able to finish "limping home" now that im old enough to grasp the mechanics of this game is enough for me to enjoy this game to its peak. Bomber crew eat your heart out.

  • @brettpeacock9116
    @brettpeacock9116 6 місяців тому +1

    Gonna have to try this one....
    One Sim I would love to see a Redux of is a old (mid to late 90s) Sim called "Overlord", which was a campaign from Feb of 44 thru to July 44, concentrating on Gaining Air Dominance over Northern France
    You could fly a Spitfire IX, a P-51B, A Hawker Typhoon or a Mosquito in a wide variety of Missions, Train intercepts, Anti V1 missions, CAP and bomber escort, anti- ship and anti-armour as well as others.... One great feature was a single press vision lock on a Flying enemy (Bf 109G, Fw 190A or D, Junkers 88.) Basically your pov locked onto the enemy plane and you had to drag your gunfight into FOV to shoot it diwn. Worked a treat once you understood the physics and purpose....

  • @DrydockDreamsGames
    @DrydockDreamsGames 7 місяців тому +9

    Ouch, losing Memphis Belle on the first mission. Now there's a spot open for eternal glory for ChowHound, so it seems!

  • @marcuspearson87
    @marcuspearson87 2 місяці тому +1

    I bought this game when it first came out years ago, I loved it then. I am really looking forward to an up-to-date version of this game.

  • @michaelbourgeault9409
    @michaelbourgeault9409 7 місяців тому +15

    Modernized graphics and resolution - check; mouse compatibility - check. Expectations met, everything delivered after this is bonus :)

    • @cyberfutur5000
      @cyberfutur5000 7 місяців тому +3

      I couldn't agree more. Last thing I hope for is that the controller bindings work better. (maybe it was just a problem with my set up, but I just couldn't bind some functions to anything but a key board.) But yes, if it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, I couldn't be more happy.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому +2

      And there is alot more to come :-)

  • @namedropper9237
    @namedropper9237 7 місяців тому +4

    I would like people to note today a dev log just came out that includes the updated exterior bomber model, the roadmap, and the pricing model.

  • @user-ny3gs6wt5p
    @user-ny3gs6wt5p 6 місяців тому +1

    This is a game I remember playing a really long time ago. I played this game for a while and then stopped because the gunners on the other bombers didn't fire back at all.

  • @ironicallyeuropeanunironic2952
    @ironicallyeuropeanunironic2952 7 місяців тому +13

    Let's hope this is really "early access", and they don't intend to present this as a real redux

  • @fixfalcon2628
    @fixfalcon2628 6 місяців тому +1

    I played this game when I was a teenager in the 90s. I used to do dumb things like force the tail-gunner to be the pilot, or the ball-turret gunner to be the navigator. It was fun watching them struggle, lol.

  • @jindetwizol1399
    @jindetwizol1399 7 місяців тому +5

    I don't understand why they didn't improve the exterior textures... Inside looks really great, outside looks really shitty, I know the game have many textures for damage but that's the point of a remaster.
    Thanks for the video.
    Edit: it's early access I forgot about that but they making The Bloody 100th too, if it's the same gameplay Microprose is f*cking with their fans...

    • @cowboy10uk
      @cowboy10uk 7 місяців тому +1

      Well for one graphics isn’t everything, the gameplay and crew management is the important part here as well as aircraft internals. That said, they ARE updating the external textures later on in the early access progress, that was already confirmed. I guess they knew this was highly anticipated and Microprose felt as it was in a playable condition it was worth allowing us access now.
      Personally I think it’s a great shout and is everything I was wanting for the redux.
      I just hope we can still mod the nose art.

    • @cyberfutur5000
      @cyberfutur5000 7 місяців тому

      @@cowboy10uk I am pretty sure they said it'll have proper mod support, later on. Probably more than just nose art.

    • @jindetwizol1399
      @jindetwizol1399 7 місяців тому

      @@cowboy10uk Graphics isn't everything but this is the point of this remaster : modern graphics and controls.
      Okay I hope your right, thanks for the infos.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому +2

      The exterier models will be updated in the future, the EA will be constantly developed 🙂

  • @KorbinX
    @KorbinX 7 місяців тому +1

    Appreciate the video, Taff! Hope you are well!
    Im excited to see this game continue to develop and make those small adjustments to give it more playability with todays gaming systems.

  • @sais9221
    @sais9221 6 місяців тому +1

    Omg! I still have the disc for this game and its manual. I played it once and never went back because I didn't feel like learning how to play it. I liked the gunner action btw.

  • @pollock56th
    @pollock56th 7 місяців тому +2

    Masters of the Air is going to springboard interest in this genre again! I bet all the R&D is on the VR version.😅

  • @Batalia122
    @Batalia122 4 місяці тому

    Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe was also an excellent game for the time. Released in 1991, I still remember owning the mouse pad along with Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis.

  • @05Hogsrule
    @05Hogsrule 7 місяців тому +1

    I AM SO (!!!) Glad they are re-building this game!!!
    I would like to also see the strategic and historical strategy game called USAAF. Remember that???

  • @beaverdam1199
    @beaverdam1199 7 місяців тому +1

    Hooray love this! Amazing to see the redux is almost here! and hopefully will be an awesom rebot of the game!

  • @JGE_DK
    @JGE_DK 7 місяців тому +2

    I have MANY fond childhood memories, playing pretty much every one of the great MicroProse simulators / games : B-17 Flying Fortress (ofcourse ;) ), F--19 Stealth Fighter, F-15 Strike Eagle, Gunship, Project Stealth Fighter, Red Storm Rising, Silent Service, M1 Tank Platoon... I could go ON!!! And thinking back, those were actually some of the most "advanced" simulations / games that were available, back in the late 1980's. By todays standards, they may seem pretty "primitive", yes. But DAMN, MicroProse made some pretty immersive games, for the time!! ;) No doubt, that this will be a DAY 1 purchase for me (for nostalgias sake).

  • @Rich77UK
    @Rich77UK 7 місяців тому +1

    I loved this game on the Amiga. I grew up and spent most of my life only a few Miles from Ridgewell. They have a pretty good museum between Ridgewell and Great Yeldham dedicated to the USAF base.

    • @MrJC1
      @MrJC1 5 місяців тому

      think you are talking about the 90s game. not this one.

  • @wowdanalise
    @wowdanalise 7 місяців тому +1

    I played this game back in 2000. I was 7!

  • @LeeJPryer
    @LeeJPryer 4 місяці тому

    Used to play the Amiga version back in the early 80's it was one of my favorite games

  • @Chironseth1970
    @Chironseth1970 5 місяців тому +1

    Loved this game back in the day but my two faves from Microprose were Gunship and M1A1 they were both fantastic to play

  • @ebhayhurst
    @ebhayhurst 7 місяців тому +2

    Mouse control turret was exactly what i was hoping for.

  • @Autofire-nw5ty
    @Autofire-nw5ty 7 місяців тому +3

    It’s very early work, just my opinion but if they focused on the interior and it looks pretty good then they will do the same with the exterior before release. I’m happy Taff has access to this and I’m excited to see the end product (and plenty of videos)

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому

      Yes for the Full release 🙂

  • @user-ec8zd8zp4x
    @user-ec8zd8zp4x 5 місяців тому

    Man, I played this a lot on my Amiga back in the day! Lovely seeing it again.
    Would love to see a Knights of the Sky redux. It's my favourite Microprose sim game! Fun fact: it was the first game I ever installed on a HDD, the HDD of my Amiga 600.

  • @larrydee8859
    @larrydee8859 6 місяців тому +1

    That was a great original game!
    I'm glad they are re releasing it, however I would love to be able to be a German fighter pilot as well, opposing the B-17s.
    It would really be great if they upgraded and brought back, "European air War".
    The radio traffic in that game was very realistic also.

  • @cyberfutur5000
    @cyberfutur5000 7 місяців тому +3

    Not bad. Especially for a pre release build to an early access title. I'm just happy that in a few days I can play this game with less crashes and frustrating bugs (or at least in a few months, when it's fully finished)
    As long it runs stable and the controller bindings are working better, than in the old game (sometimes bindings just didn't work, like switching from manual to auto mode), every thing else is a bonus and the fancy graphics and new features will come with the full sequel, so chill people :)
    For the off chance the devs (or modders) read this, one QOL thing I'd love to see, would be a small indicator in the recon film, showing where north is, I'm pretty sure this info wouldn't be unrealistic to have, it's simple to implement (I would guess) and would help tremendously when planning the run or finding the target.

  • @QueenofHuronia
    @QueenofHuronia Місяць тому

    Looks like it needs my Clean Glass Mod I made back 20+ years ago, along with one of my skins, I also did a P47 skin Spirit of Atlantic City NJ. Glad to see this old sim updated for modern systems.

  • @modelrailwaynoob
    @modelrailwaynoob 6 місяців тому +1

    I played all the Microprose titles. I ran a flight sim BBS (before the internet existed) and a magazine. I went to their offices and they gave me all the demos for my BBS and early images for the mag.

  • @prichardgs
    @prichardgs 7 місяців тому +1

    WHAT!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! Thanks for posting this!

  • @wolfmaster8666
    @wolfmaster8666 Місяць тому

    I used to have a full package of the old version of this. And to be honest, I seriously couldn't catch what's the improvement they made after more than 20 years. It looks just the same!

  • @kellyshistory306
    @kellyshistory306 7 місяців тому +9

    The rear gun-sight being off centre is kind accurate in a round about way. The sight was linked to the two guns through a series of wires and pullies, and this system would develop slack over time so eventually the sights and gun didn't line up. It probably didn't get this bad, but the Operational Research Reports by the 8th Air Force found the tail position to be by far the worst gun position on the B-17 in terms of accuracy, to the point it was probably useless except at point blank range. That was however more the fault of the twin .50 cals rarely firing in unison, so each gun going off individually caused the guns to swing left and right constantly, with only the gunner sitting in an awkward position trying to hold the guns on target.

    • @cyberfutur5000
      @cyberfutur5000 7 місяців тому +1

      Well isn`t that just what you want to hear before going of on a mission? I can't stress enough how much I respect those lads.

    • @kellyshistory306
      @kellyshistory306 7 місяців тому

      @@cyberfutur5000 To be honest the entirety of the US equipment set for shooting down German fighter was pretty much useless for purpose, that is why the self-defending bomber concept went down in flames in 1943.
      The tail position was horrible, but on all gun positions (other than the Ball and Top turret) the gun sights were totally unsuited for air combat. A waist gunner for example could not actually use his sights to defend another US bomber under attack, so the whole idea of bombers mutually supporting each-other with their guns was almost impossible. The gun sights were only useful for self defense against a fighter attacking the aircraft the gunner was on.
      Only the compensating sights on the Top and Ball turret, which automatically calculated deflection so long as the gunner inputted the wingspan and distance of the German fighter correctly, had any chance. IMO the top and ball turret was probably responsible for the majority of German fighters shot down by US gunners during WWII, as they were the only ones that had the sights that really gave them a chance.
      Yeah brave guys in the US bombers, but unfortunately they never really had a chance until fighter escorts arrived. Too much of the American gunnery side of things was flawed (equipment) or not well thought out until later in the war (gunner training). It just wasn't really well appreciated during the war because the gunners submitted wildly inflated claims for how many fighters they were shooting down, and the USAAF leadership believed them for the most part. Eaker writes to Spaatz or Happ Arnold about US bombers shooting down 6 German fighters for every loss, which is what the claims were telling him, but the reality was 1-2 US bombers were falling for every German fighter until Escorts showed up.

    • @RandomStuff-he7lu
      @RandomStuff-he7lu 7 місяців тому

      @@cyberfutur5000 To be fair tail gunners didn't have to put up with it for long.

    • @goldleader6074
      @goldleader6074 7 місяців тому +1

      @@kellyshistory306 The tail gunner had the best opportunities to shoot down enemy fighters compared to all the other gunner positions, regardless of what gun sights were used. The other positions had to deal with firing into the slipstream and a constantly changing target aspect whereas the tail gunner position usually had a fighter approaching from a more predictable attack angle with minimal aspect changes that required less adjustments for leading the target.
      The top scoring USAAF gunner was a B-17 tail gunner, Michael Arooth, credited with aircraft 19 kills.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому

      I didnt know this, I'm not sure that level of accuracy is what the dev team were going for with this 🙂

  • @timjerrom7173
    @timjerrom7173 7 місяців тому

    Am super excited for this! Hopefully crews don't get injured so much like they did in the last one, as my B-17 made it through 25 missions but with not a single original crew member as they were all were off recovering in hospital. Now the original "first B-17 game" was fantastic and hopefully this one will be too.

  • @joeaustin4472
    @joeaustin4472 7 місяців тому +3

    Great episode taff, can certainly see a difference in the remastered version.. and the principles are the very same, plan out and combat is as gripping as the original, there is some very good differences but there's not really that much difference external wise, gunshots, AAA, aircraft model set outs, tracers and even explosions. Maybe there's more updates to come as we go along.. probably not the case but it's nice to think that way.. if so then I was proven wrong. Very nostalgic to the original, nice operational flight. Thanks taff, very entertaining 👍

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому +1

      The main focus I beleive has been on internals and moderising the code for current hardware, the externals will be coming 🙂

    • @joeaustin4472
      @joeaustin4472 7 місяців тому

      @@TaffinExile Oh is it? Oh right.. Well that's something I just learned, well best look forward to the rest of the updates. Early days indeed, but all the same THANKS so much for posting B17 on the channel, your B17 content is magnificent, the original series or.. TOS 😉, was utterly fantastic, so the new stuff will make a truly incredible series when all is released, thanks so much for that wonderful reply also. Really.. thanks a lot 👍

  • @Daimo83
    @Daimo83 5 місяців тому

    "We got a substantial bit of residential housing"
    10/10 realism

  • @HarmanMotorWorks
    @HarmanMotorWorks 7 місяців тому +1

    This brings back memories big time. Looks like the biggest improvements so far are inside the aircraft with the interior modelling. I wonder if they will finally let us look left and right from the waist gun positions...lol. Hopefully the updated exterior will mean the terrible pilot cabin windows LOD change when zooming out slightly will be a thing of the past. Looking forward to this one

  • @pakrej
    @pakrej 6 місяців тому

    Yes, I remember playing this game more than 20 years ago. But then came Il-2 Stumovick.

  • @3mate1
    @3mate1 6 місяців тому

    I remember playing that on the 486, I loved the cut away view of the B-17

  • @cmsxcb
    @cmsxcb 7 місяців тому +1

    The old crew pics just made the USAAF look deranged. It was like they shook the nearest tree and made whatever fell out a Sergeant.

  • @twoHRdrive
    @twoHRdrive 7 місяців тому +1

    I can't wait to play this. I loved the original, but lost the disc sooo many years ago.

  • @alstalbs2265
    @alstalbs2265 5 місяців тому

    Very much looking forward to seeing B-17 Flying Fortress The Bloody 100th. I'm far too old to play games now, my brain can't cope with all the controls :)) but still can't wait to see youtube/twitch gameplay

  • @baileys_battles
    @baileys_battles 7 місяців тому +2

    Wish it was on Mac as well, looks great!

  • @ChoppyChof
    @ChoppyChof 5 місяців тому

    I had my first driving lesson on part of Ridgewell airfield. Wish it was in a B17!

  • @spurgeonwoods
    @spurgeonwoods 7 місяців тому +4

    I understand this is probably not the EA release we'll get tomorrow and the game is in EA, but do we know if Microprose is planning on updating the aircraft and ground graphics? They look similar to the original in the build Taff is playing.

    • @Vipre-
      @Vipre- 7 місяців тому +1

      They are the original in the build he's playing. They mentioned in the release notice that their main focus has been on the plane's interior and that exteriors and terrain will come later.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому

      @@Vipre- Correct there will be further deveopments when the external models/terrain are updated 🙂

  • @scott1711
    @scott1711 6 місяців тому

    Love your videos. Game bring backs some good memories. Glad to see it still popular. I'm hopeful they eventually add support for the ultra wide monitors too.

  • @jeffb5798
    @jeffb5798 7 місяців тому +4

    Two comments: first, the 3D rendered models seem to still be low-poly, and I hope they get updated to high-poly/high-definition models and no texture maps. Second, the new limited visibility of the gun sights is deviation from the original. Some may find them more accurate and prefer them, but others might find the original ones more playable and more fun. I hope they offer an option to choose between the two (limited visibility, but accurate/open view)

    • @cyberfutur5000
      @cyberfutur5000 7 місяців тому +1

      I am pretty sure that they said it'll have mod support (at some point, maybe not from day one) I think if the game doesn't come with the option, someone will figure it out and make a mod.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому

      I'll add that to my list of suggestions to the team 🙂

    • @daverosinski3663
      @daverosinski3663 7 місяців тому

      Being able to use the OMF to mod the aircraft was great in the original sim.@@cyberfutur5000

  • @845SiM
    @845SiM 7 місяців тому +2

    So, guess i am waiting for bloody 100th. Lord knows whats happening with that!

  • @geminicricket4975
    @geminicricket4975 5 місяців тому

    Looking forward to this. Some years ago, I was able to update the planes to look like 401st 17s. I have a bias for that group. ;) I'm hoping I can still do that with this version.

  • @wavehopper4183
    @wavehopper4183 7 місяців тому +1

    Oooo, perfect person to play it first. Cheers Taff.

  • @jakeporter6523
    @jakeporter6523 5 місяців тому

    Dude, I loved this game when I was a kid, it would be amazing if they could integrate some sort of multiplayer, can you imagine, running missions with your friends. Kind of like Star Trek Bridge Crew.

  • @vrdrivesolutions3695
    @vrdrivesolutions3695 7 місяців тому +1

    Looks great, looking forward to see how the development goes!

  • @robertsartino7664
    @robertsartino7664 7 місяців тому +8

    Honestly it still looks the same with little improvements but overall majority still looks the same :(. I was hoping at least to see the B-17 model redone and new paint schemes. If this is what they are going to release than I don’t think it’s worth it. They have been teasing us for 3 years about the upcoming releases. I’m so let down overall on this quote unquote REDUX.
    Come on Microprose!

    • @Vipre-
      @Vipre- 7 місяців тому

      The models will be updated eventually. Their main focus was the interiors, the UI, the behind the scenes updates, and getting the game released to ea.

    • @robertsartino7664
      @robertsartino7664 7 місяців тому

      @@Vipre-I really hope so.

    • @TaffinExile
      @TaffinExile  7 місяців тому

      Yes the new external models are looking good 🙂

  • @campbellgalloway1829
    @campbellgalloway1829 7 місяців тому +2

    Do we have to pay for the game again or get it as a update to our original game nice inside not outside still looks the same 😢

  • @iandobbins3775
    @iandobbins3775 6 місяців тому

    Micro Prose was a company always ahead of its time, I played the original back in the day, and the other one they made "European Air War," which was the best flight sim back then. Hope they do a redux of EAW too, I still play both of these originals, and they're as fun now as they were back then .

  • @ARescueToaster
    @ARescueToaster 7 місяців тому +5

    Seeing a number of comments of people "expecting more", but personally I expected less. I had just assumed they were bringing it to a more playable state on modern OS's and with some slight improvements here and there. Easily surpassed my expectations, and if they continue to improve this.. it's just getting better and better for me!
    That said, I do have fairly high expectations for the Bloody 100th -- hopefully we can get some teases on that soon in the future!

  • @chris101gray3
    @chris101gray3 6 місяців тому

    Honestly IL-2 1946 is the definitive game representing this era, and that can be had for as little as $1 at goodwill stores

  • @Zatracenec
    @Zatracenec 7 місяців тому

    Man, I miss this more adventure like menus from flight simulators. I loved it. Nice video.

  • @LeShark75
    @LeShark75 6 місяців тому

    Used to play the original game on the Amiga 500 with my Father. Good times.

  • @Rhinozherous
    @Rhinozherous 7 місяців тому +1

    Wow, the externals are not finished yet I hope xD I will wait for the new part - The Bloody 100th

  • @rzr2ffe325
    @rzr2ffe325 6 місяців тому +1

    Perfectly timed with Masters of The Air Lol

  • @RBCharger
    @RBCharger 6 місяців тому

    Did you turn the music down? I always enjoyed when you came to the debriefing room and you got a sense of how the mission went by the tone of the music.

  • @gdwlaw5549
    @gdwlaw5549 6 місяців тому

    Graphics are abysmal and that’s why I love it ……..enjoying the series on Apple TV. Brave men

  • @johntowle
    @johntowle 6 місяців тому

    The sound of the turret motor whirring when they turn is this realistic as I don't hear this in the Masters of The Air mini series

  • @graemepennell
    @graemepennell 5 місяців тому +1

    Was awesome when it first appeared.

  • @thejetfighter
    @thejetfighter 7 місяців тому

    I remember this game from years ago. It looks good, obviously I could be improved in development. Nice video 😀

  • @AirForceAnecdotes
    @AirForceAnecdotes 6 місяців тому

    Coooool! This was such a great game back in the 90s!

  • @artao5
    @artao5 7 місяців тому +2

    When doing this mission I've found success re-routing the plane to bomb across the whole facility instead of head-on. In my experience, the mission planners are idiots regarding routing.
    Do we still have to wait until we're in the air to edit waypoints, or can we edit them before takeoff. (If you edit them while the plane is starting or even before everyone getting into formation and on the way, the plane ends up just circling around the airport. At least for me. The original that is, of course.) You can tell by watching the map. When the route turns green you can edit the waypoint safely. I hope this has been/gets changed/fixed.
    Excellent graphics update so far. Looking forward to seeing what they do with the clouds and terrain.

    • @cuaigmccuaig6703
      @cuaigmccuaig6703 6 місяців тому

      If you fly along the target and miss all your bombs are wasted. If you fly across the target chances are you will get some hits. The Vulcan in the Falklands War flow across the targeted runway to ensure at least one hit on the target.

  • @lozinja
    @lozinja 6 місяців тому

    I have a hazy memory of reading a review of this game back when I had my Amiga in a magazine like Zero. I think it was a reader submitted review and they detailed how you could cross bodies of water at 0 altitude like a lame big duck and it made me laugh.

  • @lonewolf5238
    @lonewolf5238 5 місяців тому

    I still have the original game, in its UPS colored box: Five 5.25 floppy disks, a large poster, a fold out keyboard map and control shortcuts, plus a 230 page manual that is more a textbook than a manual, wirh loads of historical information, background, period news, photographs and actual aircraft data and history. And a 22 page Technical Supplement. They don't make games like this any more, sadly.

  • @alexandrelamarche42
    @alexandrelamarche42 7 місяців тому +2

    Mouse control Gun!? SOLD

  • @FarmerFred84
    @FarmerFred84 5 місяців тому

    Still got my original flight manual on the shelf here. When I first got the original my pc couldnt play it, so laggy, needed to upgrade!

  • @barrywalker8790
    @barrywalker8790 7 місяців тому

    Great game and it's nice to see it being brought up to date it would be nice if they could put an option for an Olive Drab scheme loved this game when it came out now at 66 years old l get to buy and play it again thanks for the update 👌

  • @griffrhys
    @griffrhys 6 місяців тому

    I designed my first ever PC around the specs for this game! That was 22 years ago... Christ!

  • @Ambaryerno
    @Ambaryerno 4 місяці тому

    So it's an AU where Memphis Belle was a B-17G, not a B-17F, and was shot down on her first mission in 1944 instead of completing 25 missions in 1943.

  • @wingtipsworld5909
    @wingtipsworld5909 6 місяців тому

    could you imagine this in unreal 5 with full multiplayer co op... it would be flippin amazing

  • @MoodOnTele
    @MoodOnTele 7 місяців тому +1

    Man this is certainly not what I was expecting. The only changes for me that’s been made are the internal textures. The external models are the same as the original game including the terrain.
    I was expecting more.

  • @fox77th84
    @fox77th84 7 місяців тому

    For everyone that’s annoyed or disappointed, I believe way back they said that this was more of an experiment anyway that they would work on this one over time and use it as a sort of guide in helping make the bloody 100th. I don’t believe this version was ever supposed to knock it out of the park so to speak. They also said early access would only show interior improvements on aircraft.

  • @jerometurner8759
    @jerometurner8759 4 місяці тому

    Just found this game at Goodwill. Never heard of it before. How do I get the upgraded graphics?

  • @joen7521
    @joen7521 7 місяців тому +2

    Terrain is my biggest wish after what they have done so far

    • @icemorebutts
      @icemorebutts 7 місяців тому +1

      I hope they push the LoD out further.