In 1968, I was a patrol officer on the Houston Police department. Some of the students at one of the local colleges in town had a gripe about the fact that a major street went thru their campus, and they wanted it rerouted. To draw attention to their demands they set a large fire in the middle of the street and the police were called. Our department was totally unprepared for this type of situation. The tear gas we had was left over from the Korean war and most of the gas had leaked out. Those of us that had shotguns were issued the old paper shotgun shells that had been contaminated by the tear gas and had swollen to the point where they would not chamber. Two officers were wounded, and one was killed. Two weeks after the incident, we were contacted by a branch of the Army and offered to make the M-1 Carbine rifles available to us. Two hundred of us purchased them for $47.00 a piece. All were unused still packed in heavy oil and rapped in brown paper. Mine is a National Postal Meter. It came with a M2 stock, M2 Bolt, and a M2 magazine latch. I still have it an occasionally use it. I enjoy your articles, especially your tests of the .357 magnum. Keep um coming!!!
@@donaldboethel7430 that’s an awesome piece of history you have there, not the best way of it becoming available though. I’m glad you’re enjoying it! I have several more bullet test still inbound. 😉
I have a Wayne county Sheriff dept. in Michigan Issued M1 carbine my uncle sold me. Its a Inland that has he received for a friend who retired from there then passed to me. 3 owners after military use. I have 3 now... I have heard that Detroit PD after the riots carried two carbines and shotguns in trunk with 300rds of ammo.
Nice change up! Great looking little carbine you’ve got there, and you proved that with the right ammunition, the .30 carbine is devastating. Cheers to you!
Little know fact, Audie Murphy was a big fan of the M1 carbine. Once his unit reached the forests of France, he switched from carrying the Garand to the carbine. He said it was ideal for removing Krauts from their sniper perches in the trees.
Fascinating! Takes me back. I reloaded for and shot a friend’s Universal carbine around 1975-6. My old gun show buddy, the WWII Marine, had no use for the carbine, but I’ve long thought if you dumped the FMJ and used good expanding bullets, the .30 carbine would hit like a light bullet .357 magnum. Great fun to shoot, and doesn’t even look like an “evil black gun.” 🙄 Thanks.👍
Good stuff. Yes Sir the 110 RNSP is the best overall. It is definitely good for self defense or camp defense. Some might use it for close range deer and hog hunting. Thank you.
I put Wollf gun springs in my Inland and it was like putting a new dress on an old gal! Feed issues were never a problem. Stovepipes from a weak extractor spring. The springs are 80 years old or at least as old as the last armorers rebuild. Always good to have spring kits for all your firearms especially your mil Surp ones!
There's constant resurrection of the Korean War story that the carbine rounds were unable to penetrate the frozen vests of the N. Korean troops. Long since debunked by studies of penetration in a variety of ballistic media - like this - including the "bulletproof" vests that the Norks wore - just as they have been wearing since the time of the civil war and the failed French "punitive" action. Most explanations are that the short sight radius and light weight resulted in wild shooting - and it's really hard to bring down a soldier that you miss. But they took out the lion's share of Japanese troops in Okinawa, so they're no slouch. The M1 carbine was the first gun my dad gave me to play with - when I was in the 3rd grade - because it was light enough and short enough to handle. It has always played a special role in my memories as a result. He brought it home from the war, after being issued it when he went to Tientsin, China with the Seabees to build detention compounds for the Japanese prisoners after Okinawa and the surrender following the bombs. I bought a Universal Carbine back in the '60's before I found his carbine stashed away in a trunk. He'd passed away about 10 years prior, and we'd moved, so much was still in storage. I was very pleased to find it again, and it has a place of honor in my collection, owing to its provenance, along with his 1911A1. He had both; his brother, a Marine, gave him the pistol when he flew over from Okinawa and visited him in Tientsin. They are just incredibly fun to shoot, and are good out to about 300 yards with the right ammo - but just for punching paper; it's really a 150 yard weapon. Interesting video!
@@MrGsteele Awesome story and an amazing discovery! One of the earlier comments noted the higher temperatures down in the WW2 pacific campaigns were was increasing the pressures generated by the powder to unsafe levels in the .30 carbine ammo. The manufacturers started putting additives in the powder to reduce the pressure back to safe levels. A lot of this reduced power ammo designed for high temp environments ended up in Korea and was one of the culprits that gave .30 carbine a bad wrap. A lot of the Korean performance issues dissipated after the powder was adjusted for the much colder temperatures.
In the 80s there was a Coronoer in Texas who wrote gun articles, and was a bit of a gun guru. He said the .30 carbine was the most effective self-defense weapon, and it's what he kept by his bed.
I made up a load using the XTP for my 300Blk. It took a bit of massaging the feed ramps and putting a spacer in the mag to get it to function in my 8" pistol. I wanted a "barrier aware" load (didn't want it to blast through sheetrock...) and I had very similar results to what you got. Another great video, thank you!
Great video. I have had one for well over 50 years. My load is a Hornady 100 grain short jacket spritzer. When loaded with the end of jacket with the case mouth it is the correct length to work in the carbine. I am a DAV from the 101st AB.
When I was in the Air Force from 1962-1966, every year we had to qualify on the rifle range at 100 yds. We used M-1 Carbines from WWII and Korea. I was able to qualify Expert each year. I always liked the M-1. I have a surplus M-1 with a 1944, I think, date on it. It's so much fun to shoot.
The soft points usually get good reviews. Surprised they expand so much,, but still penetrate almost as much as the FMJ. You can see the jell block really jump with the 90 grain JHP, as it's releasing the energy faster. I got a few hundred bullets (Hornady XTP) cheaply from Midway as factory seconds. They are pretty short and will need taper crimping, which standard reloading die sets often don't include.
Speer and Hornady used to make some half jacket bullets that were devastating from a 30 carbine. I had a bunch loaded with Alliant 2400, it was still Hercules when I loaded them, and they fed perfectly in my Unversal carbine. It looked like you had a Williams sight on yours, just like I have on mine. Those 90 XTPs would be great in a Ruger Blackhawk.
@@williamgaines9784 yep, the Williams sight was on it when I got it. I have a mil-spec style replacement but haven’t bothered installing it yet. My local shop had a Blackhawk in .30 Carbine. Guy at the shop said it was the loudest revolver he had ever shot!! 😂😂
@@kentuckyrangetime the Ruger in 30 Carbine is pretty loud...painful if you forget to put your earpro in before touching it off inside a deer blind🤯🤕 👂🔔... long story. The original "slider" sight on mine said 100 200 300, but the 100 was 8 inches high, so Williams got the call for anything beyond hipshot range.
@@loquat4440 never had a problem feeding in mine, but, the Hornadys were more pointed and had a flat base, whereas the Speers were more rounded with convex bases so you could not line them up on the bench for seating was the only "problem" I encountered other than the occasional magazine fitment issues.
Nice video. Little known fact - the 30 carbine was intended to be a replacement for the 1911 Colt - for those soldiers who needed to be armed but didn't need a battle rifle. Why? Because almost anyone can learn to be accurate with a rifle, and accuracy with a pistol is difficult for the average person. That's why one of the design parameters was "5 pounds or less." The reasons the 30 carbine doesn't have a good reputation are several - 1. Hot weather deterants in ammo being used in minus 20F weather in Korea. 2. Trying to make the carbine fill the role of a battle rifle. 3. Forgetting that the carbine was intended to replace the PISTOL, not a battle rifle. 4. Short throw gas block system in minus 20F weather. My uncle used one in Korea. He stripped all the oils and lubed with graphite, AND he kept his magazines under his parka until needed. When he did that, the 30 carbine did its job. He actually used both it and the Garand. He said that he used the Garand until the enemy was within 100 yards, then he switched to the carbine. He said 15 shots were "way better than 8 when they were close." So, my take? When used appropriately, the 30 carbine is an excellent firearm, but it isn't (and never will be) a battle rifle. Keep the targets within 150 yards, and the carbine is an effective firearm. Try to make it fit a role it was never designed for, and you will experience issues.
This is why the P90 & MP7 were developed as well. Mortarmen, artillery, medics, MP’s, engineers, and similar groups that either operate heavy weapons, heavy machinery, or in between the front and the rear that might encounter sabotage elements or paratroopers.
Cold weather and the powder is interesting. I always thought that win 296 that is the same as H110 was the powder that was used in the military loads. You said something about 'Hot weather deterants' and think you meant detergents. I wonder if H110 loads will work all right at very low temps. I live in FL and so low temps are not a problem H110 also works well in the 300 blackout, but I have not found any loads for the 7.62x39. People tell all sorts of horror stories of what happens when one tries to load H110 in other cartridges. My own guess of winter problems with the carbines is that by the time of korea, most carbines had M2 full auto parts and the carbine on full auto is not the most controllable weapons and they were simply not getting good COM hits. Many of the attacks were also at night with bugles blowing and I assume a lot of panic shooting. A fellow named Frank Popper told me that he collided with a communist soldier while running at night. He recovered first and was using a BAR.
I’ve heard the 10mm adapts well to the carbine. Probably because it’s rimless. The 357 mag conversion has been adapted to the them for quite a while, and the case diameter of the 10 is the same as the rim diameter of the 357. All operate at 40,000 psi or under. The 10mm is a bit shorter though.
I really like my 30 Carbine. It wasva loose fit in the original stock which caused problems with cloud-like 100 yard "groups." Put it in a tight stock and the groups tightened up nicely. It is a sweet shooter
I had a surplus carbine in 1994 with two 15 round mags. Only problem was the followers would sometimes get stuck if I loaded more than 12 rounds, resulting in feeding failures.
It’s always been my opinion the Carbine was WWII M-16. People expected 30-06 ballistics from, what was essentially a .32 ACP Magnum (simplified of course).
@@greghardy9476 Agreed, it was purpose built to be a lighter rifle, lighter ammo and have more mag capacity. It was never expected to perform like the 30-06 rounds but that was the common comparison.
Love my carbines. Have one with a chrome lined barrel (USGI replacements made for ARVN). If you ever want to shoot a REALLY FUN gun, I’ll lend you my AMT III, it’s a gas!
Do the Hornady 90 XTP's feed reliably from a full magazine? Great test. It shows the power of the 30 Carbine. Everybody gets excited about pistol caliber carbines or the 5.7 but the 30 Carbine puts them all to shame. I'd give the win to the Sierra 110 soft point.
@@rangetime6779 The 90gr do not feed as reliably as the round nose bullets and the magazine fit into the receiver is a large part of it. I have a couple of mags that do better than some of the older ones though.
If that Universal has a stamped charging handle, be careful because they have a tendency to crack around the lug on the bolt, and it can be hard to see.
@@dennissmith460 True, I’ve already repaired it once. Got my welder at our machine shop to weld it back then so ground it down, polished and re-blued it. 😉
@@kentuckyrangetime speer still lists the varminter. I also used their plinker. It is a shame that the companies that made carbine clones are now defunct, I think everyone would want one, I know I would.
@@jagrench62 I’ll check out their website to see what so can find. I think a good clone from a reputable company would do great. I’d definitely be interested in a new production model too.
It is such a beautiful, svelte, sexy, practical rifle, a far cry from today's clunky, bulky, picattiny railed monstrosities that allow every attachment from a torch to an intercontinental ballistic missile to be attached,
When i was a kid i bought a bb gun that looks just like this gun. Still have it with the clip.. and its got plastic stock. Not wood. I ether bought it from sears or motgomory wards. Nice bb gun
What OAL for your 90gr XTPs? I loaded some of those and likely the numbers, but they wouldn't feed reliably. Also I loaded some Hornady 86gr SP (for 30 Mauser) for the Carbine that fed well. Might be worth your time!
@@kristopherjohnson7704 1.56 OAL for the 90gr. I’ve been looking for any bullets 110gr or lighter that looks like a good profile but can’t find any in stock anywhere.
In 1982 I bought an original carbine from WW2 in like new condition for $95.00. Still have it and I’m 60 now. I always thought they were handy little rifles to own and shoot. Ammo is crazy expensive for them.
@@kevinthorrington2131 and that’s the beauty of reloading! Not counting brass, which I already had some from range pickups, I think I’ve got between $.30 to $.50 per round in these, depending on which bullet I’m using. 😉
Great video and info. I am really liking your channel. The 30 cal XTP bullet is for the 30 Luger cartridge, IIRC. They are designed for 1200 fps from the Luger pistol. Looks good to me in the M1 carbine. In the "Handgun Stopping Power" books they also kept track of the 30 Carbine in the M1 Carbine. The FMJ loads showed a 90% one shot stops and the HP and SP loads showed 95% one shot stops. The M1 Carbine was once very popular with Law Enforcement. My uncle in WWII came up on Normandy. He said the M1 Carbine was much sought after during the war. It was lighter and held more ammo. He said he never heard any complaints about the carbine. The M1 Carbine was also made in 256 Winchester and in a 44 Magnum pump gun, also from Universal. When I worked in a custom gun shop, we made one up in 357 Auto Mag. The 15 shot mag held 7 and the 30 shot held 14. Velocity was 2000 fps with the 158 gr SP .357 bullets. I had to drop the charges by 10% of the pistol charges as the Auto Mag runs high pressure.
@@robertseafield5810 that’s some impressive stats! Thanks for posting those. I’ve been impressed by it so far. It’s light and very easy to maneuver and put on target. I can see why it was so popular.
Cool video,but im confused as to why, if you tested all 3 ammo types today do you only have one of the boxes out and why are the other 2 now buried so deep in the back of your shelf you can't get to them???
@@joemarchinski914 I loaded all that way over a year ago when I first got the rifle. The Hornady box of 100 is in my bullet cart. The 1,000 bullet boxes get stored on the shelf. 😉
are you allowed to say how many grains of H110 you used with the 110 grain bullets wts? Interesting that the plated berries behaved just FMJs. I would have thought that plated bullets would deform 2000 + FPS and they likely did not since they completely penetrated the block. .
@@donwyoming1936 I would assume that those bullets are swaged and then plated, But point is that they do not deform and that is important to know for sure.
@@loquat4440 14gr H-110 for all the 110gr loads. I could actually run the Berry’s a bit faster since it’s plated but haven’t taken time to push it on up.
@@kentuckyrangetime That is maybe where I was planning to set the loads. I think one can go about 5% more, but 2000 FPS is a good velocity in a 30 US carbine.
I have an original M1 Carbine I used mostly WW II production ammo in it back in the late 50's and early 70's. It is a good killer with the Solids with two to the heart and one if needed to the head. Read the Book A Rifleman Went to War by H. W. McBride (1987-09-01) Hardcover by Herbert W. McBride (Author) he used the carbine in Burma. I have a copy of the book.
Good luck with that Universal. Mine has broken 2 slides at the bolt lug groove in the operating slide. I would wager that you would find a crack in it under magnification on yours. It was a severe design flaw having that an open groove with no support. I closed off the gas port on mine and basically made it a straight pull bolt action. Be warned my friend, those Universal carbines are not safe as semi automatics. One day the top end of the groove that lug rides in WILL open up.
@@firestorm8471 👍🏻. Mine now has a reinforced repair weld at that location thanks to one of our shop hands. I cleaned it up and re-blued it. It’s not perfect but it’s doing fine so far.
I bought a second slide that some company started making about ten years ago , I found that it was just made from two pieces of bar stock spot welded together when it flew apart on the 5th or 6th round. I am just going to leave it as a manual operated slide. The gun has sentimental value and is actually SUPER accurate. I acquired a 1944 Inland about 35 years ago from a family whose grand father had "liberated"it after carrying it in WW2. It is absolutely pristine. With sling oiler and Bayonet even
@@normanpotts3169 Because they’re expensive and you only get about 6-8 remolds before they get too cloudy to see into them. Lol I’ve got about $500 in 2 blocks, a mold pan and the roaster big enough to fit the mold pan into. It takes about 8-10 hours to heat a block enough that the air bubbles float out and the debris to settle to the bottom, then another 12-14, for it to cool back down.
Dang Justin, I did not know you were into firearms. I guess with all your "training for your next fight" it's good for you to unwind a little. Anyway, good video and good luck on your next fight. (Michael Chandler's been talking smack about you.)
I would love to own one again. The two I owned so far both were very unreliable. Is there a new Carbine that works? Are there new production magazines that work? Willing to pay more if such a thing exists.
@@desertkid79 several possibilities. I have certain mags that jam worse than others. I also did a spring replacement on mine that seemed to help a bit. And I had some SP bullets with a LOT of exposed lead at the tip that also jammed worse than the FMJ bullets.
@@desertkid79 i haven’t seen the Magpul mags, may have to look for a few. Lol. The old metal GI mags are what I’m running. You can find the originals and some new production from a couple if different companies.
Aftermarket M1 Carbines often have feeding problems. Mags are really important, and many original Carbines don't like the 30 rounders. KCI in Korea has a good reputation and sold at Brownells.
Go to Wollf gun springs and get the replacement spring kit! She will run much better. Worn extraction from old springs caused stovepipes in mine. 43 inland.
@@kentuckyrangetime yes they cut down the 30 caliber to the 10 mm parent case and then they cut the 10 mm down to the 40 and the Germans hated the 30 caliber
I've hunted deer with it and the results were disappointing. They are accurate enough for sure , but the penetration was not ethical to me.. It's a shame as I really liked the rifle..
What on earth are you talking about? One of my main hunting cartridges is 30 Carbine and it is outstanding on deer, literally perfect penetration in most regards. The Rocky Mountain mule deer I hunt typically have dressed weights in the 170-270# range. Proper heart/lung combos after hitting a rib with RNSP typically result in the projectile being caught in the opposite hide or just barely penetrating... which is perfect. With no rib hits they exit with just a bit more energy, again perfect.
@@virgilhilts3924 I'm glad the rifle works for you.. I stand by my experiences and will not hunt with one of those ever again.. I'm not trying to down anyone just stating my results.. Good Luck Amigo.
@@chadhaire1711 At 100 the 30 Carbine produces very similar ballistics to 4" 357 Magnum numbers at the muzzle. I often see people decry the Carbine as "weak" or "underpowered", yet rave about the capabilities the Magnum. Handgun hunting with 357 Magnum is relatively popular and people talk about its proven capabilities.
*What's up with these low rent testers/tests that tell you absolutely nothing relevant about the rifle/round they're supposedly "testing"? Google needs to start weeding these useless content uploaders off and out of the Site*
@@ThorntonMeloni 👍🏻. I already did. 😂. The pouch fits on the buttstock but the mags don’t fit in the pouch well after that. Which is odd because you see pictures of it that way all the time. 🤷🏼♂️
@@kentuckyrangetime did the snap on the inside scratch the hell out of your wood? I’ve seen the trick where you have to put the mags in the pouch before you slide it back onto the butt stock. seen some mods were a guy will remove the snap before sliding it on so you don’t scratch the hell out of your wood, not worth it if you have a nice old war carbine
In 1968, I was a patrol officer on the Houston Police department. Some of the students at one of the local colleges in town had a gripe about the fact that a major street went thru their campus, and they wanted it rerouted. To draw attention to their demands they set a large fire in the middle of the street and the police were called. Our department was totally unprepared for this type of situation. The tear gas we had was left over from the Korean war and most of the gas had leaked out. Those of us that had shotguns were issued the old paper shotgun shells that had been contaminated by the tear gas and had swollen to the point where they would not chamber. Two officers were wounded, and one was killed. Two weeks after the incident, we were contacted by a branch of the Army and offered to make the M-1 Carbine rifles available to us. Two hundred of us purchased them for $47.00 a piece. All were unused still packed in heavy oil and rapped in brown paper. Mine is a National Postal Meter. It came with a M2 stock, M2 Bolt, and a M2 magazine latch. I still have it an occasionally use it. I enjoy your articles, especially your tests of the .357 magnum. Keep um coming!!!
@@donaldboethel7430 that’s an awesome piece of history you have there, not the best way of it becoming available though.
I’m glad you’re enjoying it! I have several more bullet test still inbound. 😉
I love the 30 carbine. Nice story and smart decision to buy yours'.
i have a June1944 "inland". All original with sling oiler and Bayonet. It is my "house gun".
I have a Wayne county Sheriff dept. in Michigan Issued M1 carbine my uncle sold me. Its a Inland that has he received for a friend who retired from there then passed to me. 3 owners after military use. I have 3 now... I have heard that Detroit PD after the riots carried two carbines and shotguns in trunk with 300rds of ammo.
@@markall8641 Awesome!!
Probably the most handy gun ever made, light, compact, reliable, effective, plenty of capacity, and easy to maintain.
Nicely done! I think the .30 carbine should be more popular than it is. I like it.
Nice change up! Great looking little carbine you’ve got there, and you proved that with the right ammunition, the .30 carbine is devastating. Cheers to you!
My grandfather earned himself a bronze star in France during the summer of 1945, he carried an M1 carbine, I keep one handy myself.
Summer of 45, France?
Little know fact, Audie Murphy was a big fan of the M1 carbine. Once his unit reached the forests of France, he switched from carrying the Garand to the carbine. He said it was ideal for removing Krauts from their sniper perches in the trees.
Fascinating! Takes me back. I reloaded for and shot a friend’s Universal carbine around 1975-6. My old gun show buddy, the WWII Marine, had no use for the carbine, but I’ve long thought if you dumped the FMJ and used good expanding bullets, the .30 carbine would hit like a light bullet .357 magnum. Great fun to shoot, and doesn’t even look like an “evil black gun.” 🙄 Thanks.👍
@@lanedexter6303 It is a very capable instrument. And yes, not scary, even with a 30 round mag. 😉😂 👍🏻.
I've read different accounts that indicated that the 30 round magazines weren't as reliable as the 15 round magazines. @kentuckyrangetime
Most underestimated round out there . I like the m1 carbine
My old cowboy friend passed on his M1 he modded for a saddle gun and his Ruger Blackhawk.
Good stuff. Yes Sir the 110 RNSP is the best overall. It is definitely good for self defense or camp defense. Some might use it for close range deer and hog hunting. Thank you.
Hmm. You've got me reconsidering my insistence on 110gr and looking at 90s as an option. Nice to have options!
The wood stock on that rifle is beautiful!
I put Wollf gun springs in my Inland and it was like putting a new dress on an old gal! Feed issues were never a problem. Stovepipes from a weak extractor spring. The springs are 80 years old or at least as old as the last armorers rebuild. Always good to have spring kits for all your firearms especially your mil Surp ones!
@@robertcainjr.7627 already did!! 😂. It definitely helps. 👍🏻👊🏻
Very impressive results
The 30 carbine is highly under rated.
Thanks from Spain| Very interesting, specially for the XTP 90.
There's constant resurrection of the Korean War story that the carbine rounds were unable to penetrate the frozen vests of the N. Korean troops. Long since debunked by studies of penetration in a variety of ballistic media - like this - including the "bulletproof" vests that the Norks wore - just as they have been wearing since the time of the civil war and the failed French "punitive" action. Most explanations are that the short sight radius and light weight resulted in wild shooting - and it's really hard to bring down a soldier that you miss. But they took out the lion's share of Japanese troops in Okinawa, so they're no slouch.
The M1 carbine was the first gun my dad gave me to play with - when I was in the 3rd grade - because it was light enough and short enough to handle. It has always played a special role in my memories as a result. He brought it home from the war, after being issued it when he went to Tientsin, China with the Seabees to build detention compounds for the Japanese prisoners after Okinawa and the surrender following the bombs.
I bought a Universal Carbine back in the '60's before I found his carbine stashed away in a trunk. He'd passed away about 10 years prior, and we'd moved, so much was still in storage. I was very pleased to find it again, and it has a place of honor in my collection, owing to its provenance, along with his 1911A1. He had both; his brother, a Marine, gave him the pistol when he flew over from Okinawa and visited him in Tientsin. They are just incredibly fun to shoot, and are good out to about 300 yards with the right ammo - but just for punching paper; it's really a 150 yard weapon. Interesting video!
@@MrGsteele Awesome story and an amazing discovery!
One of the earlier comments noted the higher temperatures down in the WW2 pacific campaigns were was increasing the pressures generated by the powder to unsafe levels in the .30 carbine ammo. The manufacturers started putting additives in the powder to reduce the pressure back to safe levels. A lot of this reduced power ammo designed for high temp environments ended up in Korea and was one of the culprits that gave .30 carbine a bad wrap. A lot of the Korean performance issues dissipated after the powder was adjusted for the much colder temperatures.
I have a wartime production Rock-Ola that I love, and shoot only rarely. Thanks for the video!
@@kbjerke that’s awesome!!
I love my 30 carbine and at 50 yds 115 grains quarter inch plates I reload my own
In the 80s there was a Coronoer in Texas who wrote gun articles, and was a bit of a gun guru.
He said the .30 carbine was the most effective self-defense weapon, and it's what he kept by his bed.
Good review, you're an example to all shooters.
It still makes me laugh when people say .30 carbine is a wimpy round
Good comparison test, I think I would prefer the soft point bullet also , take care👍
I made up a load using the XTP for my 300Blk. It took a bit of massaging the feed ramps and putting a spacer in the mag to get it to function in my 8" pistol. I wanted a "barrier aware" load (didn't want it to blast through sheetrock...) and I had very similar results to what you got. Another great video, thank you!
@@MikeJacobs-c4l Awesome results then!😉👍🏻
This came across my feed yesterday. I Liked, Subbed and Belled.
@@joeyhardin1288 Thank you!!!
Awesome video have a great weekend
Great video. I have had one for well over 50 years. My load is a Hornady 100 grain short jacket spritzer. When loaded with the end of jacket with the case mouth it is the correct length to work in the carbine. I am a DAV from the 101st AB.
When I was in the Air Force from 1962-1966, every year we had to qualify on the rifle range at 100 yds.
We used M-1 Carbines from WWII and Korea. I was able to qualify Expert each year. I always liked the M-1. I have a surplus M-1 with a 1944, I think, date on it. It's so much fun to shoot.
@@robertpeters41 Awesome!!
The soft points usually get good reviews. Surprised they expand so much,, but still penetrate almost as much as the FMJ. You can see the jell block really jump with the 90 grain JHP, as it's releasing the energy faster. I got a few hundred bullets (Hornady XTP) cheaply from Midway as factory seconds. They are pretty short and will need taper crimping, which standard reloading die sets often don't include.
Speer and Hornady used to make some half jacket bullets that were devastating from a 30 carbine. I had a bunch loaded with Alliant 2400, it was still Hercules when I loaded them, and they fed perfectly in my Unversal carbine. It looked like you had a Williams sight on yours, just like I have on mine. Those 90 XTPs would be great in a Ruger Blackhawk.
The half jackets did not feed well from my carbines as I recalled.
@@williamgaines9784 yep, the Williams sight was on it when I got it. I have a mil-spec style replacement but haven’t bothered installing it yet.
My local shop had a Blackhawk in .30 Carbine. Guy at the shop said it was the loudest revolver he had ever shot!! 😂😂
@@kentuckyrangetime the Ruger in 30 Carbine is pretty loud...painful if you forget to put your earpro in before touching it off inside a deer blind🤯🤕 👂🔔... long story.
The original "slider" sight on mine said 100 200 300, but the 100 was 8 inches high, so Williams got the call for anything beyond hipshot range.
@@loquat4440 never had a problem feeding in mine, but, the Hornadys were more pointed and had a flat base, whereas the Speers were more rounded with convex bases so you could not line them up on the bench for seating was the only "problem" I encountered other than the occasional magazine fitment issues.
@@williamgaines9784 👍🏻😂
Nice video. Little known fact - the 30 carbine was intended to be a replacement for the 1911 Colt - for those soldiers who needed to be armed but didn't need a battle rifle. Why? Because almost anyone can learn to be accurate with a rifle, and accuracy with a pistol is difficult for the average person. That's why one of the design parameters was "5 pounds or less."
The reasons the 30 carbine doesn't have a good reputation are several - 1. Hot weather deterants in ammo being used in minus 20F weather in Korea. 2. Trying to make the carbine fill the role of a battle rifle. 3. Forgetting that the carbine was intended to replace the PISTOL, not a battle rifle. 4. Short throw gas block system in minus 20F weather.
My uncle used one in Korea. He stripped all the oils and lubed with graphite, AND he kept his magazines under his parka until needed. When he did that, the 30 carbine did its job. He actually used both it and the Garand. He said that he used the Garand until the enemy was within 100 yards, then he switched to the carbine. He said 15 shots were "way better than 8 when they were close."
So, my take? When used appropriately, the 30 carbine is an excellent firearm, but it isn't (and never will be) a battle rifle. Keep the targets within 150 yards, and the carbine is an effective firearm. Try to make it fit a role it was never designed for, and you will experience issues.
This is why the P90 & MP7 were developed as well. Mortarmen, artillery, medics, MP’s, engineers, and similar groups that either operate heavy weapons, heavy machinery, or in between the front and the rear that might encounter sabotage elements or paratroopers.
@@soonerfrac4611 - 👍
@@kirkboswell2575 Absolutely!! Great info and advice! 😉👍🏻👊🏻
Cold weather and the powder is interesting. I always thought that win 296 that is the same as H110 was the powder that was used in the military loads. You said something about 'Hot weather deterants' and think you meant detergents. I wonder if H110 loads will work all right at very low temps.
I live in FL and so low temps are not a problem H110 also works well in the 300 blackout, but I have not found any loads for the 7.62x39. People tell all sorts of horror stories of what happens when one tries to load H110 in other cartridges.
My own guess of winter problems with the carbines is that by the time of korea, most carbines had M2 full auto parts and the carbine on full auto is not the most controllable weapons and they were simply not getting good COM hits. Many of the attacks were also at night with bugles blowing and I assume a lot of panic shooting. A fellow named Frank Popper told me that he collided with a communist soldier while running at night. He recovered first and was using a BAR.
How the hell is that little know. It’s literally in every literature that speaks of the carbine. Little known fact your mom likes it in the tail pipe
I’ve heard the 10mm adapts well to the carbine. Probably because it’s rimless. The 357 mag conversion has been adapted to the them for quite a while, and the case diameter of the 10 is the same as the rim diameter of the 357. All operate at 40,000 psi or under. The 10mm is a bit shorter though.
@@montycrain5783 I’d be interested in a 10mm version, never seen one.
my dad had a uni, all i can say is FUN FUN FUN to shoot!
I believe I'm going to outfit my black powder rifles with Hornady XTP's and sabots. You made a beliver out of me!!!
@@user-ts1fp4nm9y 👍🏻👊🏻. That would be a good video to do at this time of the year. 😉
I really like my 30 Carbine. It wasva loose fit in the original stock which caused problems with cloud-like 100 yard "groups." Put it in a tight stock and the groups tightened up nicely. It is a sweet shooter
I had a surplus carbine in 1994 with two 15 round mags. Only problem was the followers would sometimes get stuck if I loaded more than 12 rounds, resulting in feeding failures.
I can see why those FMJ's might have had mixed results during the war. But those 110's worked awesome.
@@rustynut1967 I have a couple more bullets to test. Hopefully I’ll be able to get a 2nd video out in a few weeks.
It’s always been my opinion the Carbine was WWII M-16. People expected 30-06 ballistics from, what was essentially a .32 ACP Magnum (simplified of course).
@@greghardy9476 Agreed, it was purpose built to be a lighter rifle, lighter ammo and have more mag capacity. It was never expected to perform like the 30-06 rounds but that was the common comparison.
I remember shooting this weapon when I went through AF basic training in the early 1960s.
Love my carbines. Have one with a chrome lined barrel (USGI replacements made for ARVN). If you ever want to shoot a REALLY FUN gun, I’ll lend you my AMT III, it’s a gas!
Do the Hornady 90 XTP's feed reliably from a full magazine? Great test. It shows the power of the 30 Carbine. Everybody gets excited about pistol caliber carbines or the 5.7 but the 30 Carbine puts them all to shame. I'd give the win to the Sierra 110 soft point.
@@rangetime6779 The 90gr do not feed as reliably as the round nose bullets and the magazine fit into the receiver is a large part of it. I have a couple of mags that do better than some of the older ones though.
If that Universal has a stamped charging handle, be careful because they have a tendency to crack around the lug on the bolt, and it can be hard to see.
@@dennissmith460 True, I’ve already repaired it once. Got my welder at our machine shop to weld it back then so ground it down, polished and re-blued it. 😉
Guess my Rock-Ola with soft points will work fine on the farm.
@@donwyoming1936 Absolutely!
Always love ball ammo in one.
Any Lehigh Solid Loads penatrater?
I had an old universal and would reload for and the speer varminter was awesome. There was a hollow soft point that worked good too.
@@jagrench62 I would love to find some of those to load. It seems several of the .30 carbine bullets are no longer available. 😢
@@kentuckyrangetime speer still lists the varminter. I also used their plinker. It is a shame that the companies that made carbine clones are now defunct, I think everyone would want one, I know I would.
@@jagrench62 I’ll check out their website to see what so can find.
I think a good clone from a reputable company would do great. I’d definitely be interested in a new production model too.
It is such a beautiful, svelte, sexy, practical rifle, a far cry from today's clunky, bulky, picattiny railed monstrosities that allow every attachment from a torch to an intercontinental ballistic missile to be attached,
@@stevelewis7263 😂 true….
When i was a kid i bought a bb gun that looks just like this gun. Still have it with the clip.. and its got plastic stock. Not wood. I ether bought it from sears or motgomory wards. Nice bb gun
Israeli police used the M1 Carbine quite effectively against the bad guys using 110gr SP from IMI Samson.
What OAL for your 90gr XTPs? I loaded some of those and likely the numbers, but they wouldn't feed reliably.
Also I loaded some Hornady 86gr SP (for 30 Mauser) for the Carbine that fed well. Might be worth your time!
@@kristopherjohnson7704 1.56 OAL for the 90gr.
I’ve been looking for any bullets 110gr or lighter that looks like a good profile but can’t find any in stock anywhere.
In 1982 I bought an original carbine from WW2 in like new condition for $95.00. Still have it and I’m 60 now. I always thought they were handy little rifles to own and shoot. Ammo is crazy expensive for them.
@@kevinthorrington2131 and that’s the beauty of reloading! Not counting brass, which I already had some from range pickups, I think I’ve got between $.30 to $.50 per round in these, depending on which bullet I’m using. 😉
Well the Japanese feared the m1 carbine it had a tendency to tumble, the m1 rifle went straight through.
@@phillipschneider1965 maybe that’s where they got the idea first the M16 rounds to tumble on impact. 🤔😉
Great video and info. I am really liking your channel.
The 30 cal XTP bullet is for the 30 Luger cartridge, IIRC. They are designed for 1200 fps from the Luger pistol. Looks good to me in the M1 carbine.
In the "Handgun Stopping Power" books they also kept track of the 30 Carbine in the M1 Carbine. The FMJ loads showed a 90% one shot stops and the HP and SP loads showed 95% one shot stops. The M1 Carbine was once very popular with Law Enforcement.
My uncle in WWII came up on Normandy. He said the M1 Carbine was much sought after during the war. It was lighter and held more ammo. He said he never heard any complaints about the carbine.
The M1 Carbine was also made in 256 Winchester and in a 44 Magnum pump gun, also from Universal. When I worked in a custom gun shop, we made one up in 357 Auto Mag. The 15 shot mag held 7 and the 30 shot held 14. Velocity was 2000 fps with the 158 gr SP .357 bullets. I had to drop the charges by 10% of the pistol charges as the Auto Mag runs high pressure.
@@robertseafield5810 that’s some impressive stats! Thanks for posting those.
I’ve been impressed by it so far. It’s light and very easy to maneuver and put on target. I can see why it was so popular.
I'm using that sierra bullet in my 300 blk.😊😊😊
@@fredbalster3100 Hadn’t thought of that but at 2300-2400 fps it’d be devastating!👍🏻👊🏻
@@fredbalster3100 Now I’ll be loading some up to add to my .300blk gel block tests. Lol
I am wondering how the expanding bullets would perform in the gel block when it is placed at 100 yds.
@@lorettacaputo6997 shouldn’t be much difference. The XTP bullets expand well down to around 1,000fps or less depending on caliber.
Cool video,but im confused as to why, if you tested all 3 ammo types today do you only have one of the boxes out and why are the other 2 now buried so deep in the back of your shelf you can't get to them???
@@joemarchinski914 I loaded all that way over a year ago when I first got the rifle. The Hornady box of 100 is in my bullet cart. The 1,000 bullet boxes get stored on the shelf. 😉
@@kentuckyrangetime oh ,ok gotcha 👍
@@joemarchinski914 I load about 35 different cartridges so things get shuffled around a lot at times 🙄😉
Awesome
are you allowed to say how many grains of H110 you used with the 110 grain bullets wts?
Interesting that the plated berries behaved just FMJs. I would have thought that plated bullets would deform 2000 + FPS and they likely did not since they completely penetrated the block. .
It's a hard cast bullet under the copper. I've never had any deformation with plated FMJs.
@@donwyoming1936 I would assume that those bullets are swaged and then plated, But point is that they do not deform and that is important to know for sure.
@@loquat4440 14gr H-110 for all the 110gr loads. I could actually run the Berry’s a bit faster since it’s plated but haven’t taken time to push it on up.
@@kentuckyrangetime That is maybe where I was planning to set the loads. I think one can go about 5% more, but 2000 FPS is a good velocity in a 30 US carbine.
@@loquat4440 yes, these little nuggets is why I’m doing gel test. 😉👍🏻👊🏻
Have you tried Hornady's Critical Defense with the plastic tip? They don't sell the bullet, you would need to get factory rounds.
@@jamieeakin1383 I have not. I load about 99% of what I shoot.
1000 plus Foot-pounds of energy....
It's a lot better than it's reputation. It's been judged by using an M1 Grand as the yardstick to measure it.
For sure. They were designed for two completely different types of engagements.
Light handy rifle... but the 110gr FMJ was always lacking. The Gold Dot and other High Performance have really helped the .30 Carbine shine...
Nonsense
@@virgilhilts3924 Would you use FMJ as a defensive round?
@@scottdunn2178
It was designed to use FMJ and did an outstanding job during three wars.
@@virgilhilts3924 You got my point...
@@scottdunn2178
You presented no point.
I have an original M1 Carbine I used mostly WW II production ammo in it back in the late 50's and early 70's. It is a good killer with the Solids with two to the heart and one if needed to the head. Read the Book A Rifleman Went to War by H. W. McBride (1987-09-01) Hardcover
by Herbert W. McBride (Author) he used the carbine in Burma. I have a copy of the book.
You can see why we used this round! it will spoil your whole day if your on the bad side of it!!
I own a M1 Carbine , excellent rifle. Little know fact is a 30 Carbine will penetrate level 1 and 2 and 3 body armor.
@@montanamountainmen6104 That would be another good video to do!! 😉😂
I do not believe distance to target was mentioned. If so then I missed it so please tell us. Thanks for sharing.
@@rbm6184 about 5 yrds
@@kentuckyrangetime Thank you.
Good luck with that Universal. Mine has broken 2 slides at the bolt lug groove in the operating slide. I would wager that you would find a crack in it under magnification on yours. It was a severe design flaw having that an open groove with no support. I closed off the gas port on mine and basically made it a straight pull bolt action. Be warned my friend, those Universal carbines are not safe as semi automatics. One day the top end of the groove that lug rides in WILL open up.
@@firestorm8471 👍🏻. Mine now has a reinforced repair weld at that location thanks to one of our shop hands. I cleaned it up and re-blued it. It’s not perfect but it’s doing fine so far.
I bought a second slide that some company started making about ten years ago , I found that it was just made from two pieces of bar stock spot welded together when it flew apart on the 5th or 6th round. I am just going to leave it as a manual operated slide. The gun has sentimental value and is actually SUPER accurate. I acquired a 1944 Inland about 35 years ago from a family whose grand father had "liberated"it after carrying it in WW2. It is absolutely pristine. With sling oiler and Bayonet even
Why do you guys always use shot up gel blocks??
@@normanpotts3169 Because they’re expensive and you only get about 6-8 remolds before they get too cloudy to see into them. Lol
I’ve got about $500 in 2 blocks, a mold pan and the roaster big enough to fit the mold pan into. It takes about 8-10 hours to heat a block enough that the air bubbles float out and the debris to settle to the bottom, then another 12-14, for it to cool back down.
Dang Justin, I did not know you were into firearms. I guess with all your "training for your next fight" it's good for you to unwind a little. Anyway, good video and good luck on your next fight. (Michael Chandler's been talking smack about you.)
@@dbx1233 Who’s Justin?? 😉
@@kentuckyrangetime He can be whoever you want him to be. Why do you ask?
Actual test starts at 5:50
I would love to own one again. The two I owned so far both were very unreliable. Is there a new Carbine that works? Are there new production magazines that work? Willing to pay more if such a thing exists.
@@discipleinlight Midway USA has restored rifles for sale on their website site. Not sure how good they are…
You owned two of what????????????????? What brand..what year??be specific and stop mumbling.
I know I love mine.
I got a national ordinance M1 with a jamming issue. Did Anyone else have a jamming issue that they might have overcome?
@@desertkid79 several possibilities. I have certain mags that jam worse than others. I also did a spring replacement on mine that seemed to help a bit. And I had some SP bullets with a LOT of exposed lead at the tip that also jammed worse than the FMJ bullets.
@@kentuckyrangetime I believe all I've shot were lead tips. And I got magpul magazines.
@@desertkid79 i haven’t seen the Magpul mags, may have to look for a few. Lol.
The old metal GI mags are what I’m running. You can find the originals and some new production from a couple if different companies.
Aftermarket M1 Carbines often have feeding problems. Mags are really important, and many original Carbines don't like the 30 rounders. KCI in Korea has a good reputation and sold at Brownells.
Go to Wollf gun springs and get the replacement spring kit! She will run much better. Worn extraction from old springs caused stovepipes in mine. 43 inland.
Had a guy tell me that it was effective past 200 yds 😅
I told him that I think that I would have a hard time telling a judge that it was self-defense past 200yrds
I have I been blow away
The parent cartridge to the 10 mm so those are like 10 mm super Duper
@@stewarttomkinson3356 ??? 10mm….😉
@@kentuckyrangetime yes they cut down the 30 caliber to the 10 mm parent case and then they cut the 10 mm down to the 40 and the Germans hated the 30 caliber
@@stewarttomkinson3356 so .40S&W is a trimmed down 10mm.
.30carbine is 1/10” smaller diameter. No way of sizing the base up from .30 to .40/10mm.
@@kentuckyrangetime Cooper took a 30 carbine and made the 10 mm 1983. Go look it up.
@@stewarttomkinson3356 you’re thinking of 30 Remington, not 30 carbine. Very different case
I've hunted deer with it and the results were disappointing. They are accurate enough for sure , but the penetration was not ethical to me.. It's a shame as I really liked the rifle..
You must have been using FMJ ammo, which do just punch through little holes. Soft points usually do much better in testing.
What on earth are you talking about?
One of my main hunting cartridges is 30 Carbine and it is outstanding on deer, literally perfect penetration in most regards. The Rocky Mountain mule deer I hunt typically have dressed weights in the 170-270# range. Proper heart/lung combos after hitting a rib with RNSP typically result in the projectile being caught in the opposite hide or just barely penetrating... which is perfect. With no rib hits they exit with just a bit more energy, again perfect.
@@virgilhilts3924 I'm glad the rifle works for you.. I stand by my experiences and will not hunt with one of those ever again.. I'm not trying to down anyone just stating my results.. Good Luck Amigo.
at what range???????????????????????????????
@@chadhaire1711
At 100 the 30 Carbine produces very similar ballistics to 4" 357 Magnum numbers at the muzzle. I often see people decry the Carbine as "weak" or "underpowered", yet rave about the capabilities the Magnum.
Handgun hunting with 357 Magnum is relatively popular and people talk about its proven capabilities.
*What's up with these low rent testers/tests that tell you absolutely nothing relevant about the rifle/round they're supposedly "testing"? Google needs to start weeding these useless content uploaders off and out of the Site*
The double mag pouch actually isn’t made to go on the butt stock but on a duty belt, you’ll find that out when you try to put it on the butt stock 🤣
@@ThorntonMeloni 👍🏻. I already did. 😂.
The pouch fits on the buttstock but the mags don’t fit in the pouch well after that. Which is odd because you see pictures of it that way all the time. 🤷🏼♂️
@@kentuckyrangetime did the snap on the inside scratch the hell out of your wood? I’ve seen the trick where you have to put the mags in the pouch before you slide it back onto the butt stock. seen some mods were a guy will remove the snap before sliding it on so you don’t scratch the hell out of your wood, not worth it if you have a nice old war carbine
@@ThorntonMeloni no scratches. Once I realized it wasn’t going to work well I took it off and quit messing with it. Lol
It’s historic. Don’t be stupid.