Lunarpunk actually already exists as a genre/aesthetic! It includes nighttime/bioluminescent themes combined with spirituality. It is seen as a companion to Solarpunk though, rather than an enemy.
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The world of monk and robot sounds like a nightmare to me. And I'm not even a capitalist. I genuinely don't like the solarpunk subgenre and think it's this weird compromise for people who like plants and solar panels. I feel like this whole living in harmony with nature idea is pretty conservative. Something being natural doesn't make it better than something made synthetically. It means you can add things that make it worse, but that was already the case with something natural. The problem here is human institutions, nature is just as relentless as it has ever been and in no way respectable. And your lungs don't care if oxygen was made by a tree or if it was made in a machine, it does the same with it. The reason we need nature right now is because we as a society decide to depend on it. People would die if it we ruined nature. However I think our dependence on nature is then the flaw. Why do we need natural air or natural plants to begin with? Especially in a society that progressed past capitalism. We could just decide to not breathe natural air anymore and make our own. Or progress from flesh into steel making plants just a hobby for our bodies don't need their produce anymore. I also think the solar punk genre is the industrial equivalent of the end of history politically. So we live made this ecological utopia, are we happy that we die at age 100 and don't get to see the stars? Like is there nothing we humans want to produce beyond this living in harmony with nature while accommodating our current life stuff? And last, I think this idea that because you live in a utopia you wouldn't want to ever leave or explore into the stars weird. Like I own a comfortable home that's warm. But that doesn't keep me from going out into the winter night and take a walk while drinking a beer with my boyfriend. If I want to go somewhere I go there even if it isn't ideal.
Even simpler than that Utopia without currency or living without labor is impossible. I'm all for letting people do what they want but it can't come at the cost for others. You want some water? Yeah I'm not going to stop you from drinking water from that stream over there, I think most people would be reasonable about that. But I'm sure as hell not going to filter and package it for you without anything in return. "Communist" ideas do work somewhat small scale and I'm not going to argue that, I and many others probably practice it already with neighbors and small community. However we do end up end of the day all coming out fairly even, yeah I'll help them with some electrical work in their house or put up a new building but I know they're going to help me with something else in return at some other point when I need help. The heading a digital currency like "pebbles" that you don't really need to earn or ever pay back if you're spending ones you don't have are completely nonsensical fantasy ideas.
I get wanting a solarpunk future. I want many parts of it. But from just living life, I cannot imagine a non authority/violence based government or even social structure. How do you prevent theft? How do you prevent revenge for that theft? How do you decide what to do with land? How do you prevent the rise of social elites and or more socialy powerful people? Renewable energy. Wonderful, but every cargo ship today uses diesel for a good reason. Nuclear requires large power grids which need to be built, maintained, protected and more. Which means workers, which means someones job is to keep those workers coming back and working, which means incentive like money or forced labor. Solar requires mining of heavy metals, wind tubines have the same issues as nuclear. There's too high of a population to NOT live in increasingly cramped places. Increasingly cramped places tend to make people very protective of their own property, and often dismissive of others since there's so many people you have to block out to get anywhere. It just seems wishy washy. No matter how nice it all seems, it doesn't strike me as something to strive for because it's something that doesn't look at all like it could ever exist. It's like a christian coming up to me and telling me we should make the real world like heavan. But all the plans he comes up with are just, mainstream environmentalism and mild social change that doesn't change anything. But looks nice.
I think the obsession with like renewables is weird. Nuclear reactors are interesting and probably more sustainable than having to replace the parts of like 30 windmills every couple of decades. Or those mines in china we don't often see that mine the resources to produce our solar panels. I also think a lot of like writers that dislike capitalism focus too much on the nobody gets paid aspect. Like I don't mind people who do hard work getting paid it's cool. But unelected board members that get payed 10 times more than me trough nepotism makes me cringe. If a boss sucks and doesn't pay me well I want to be able to vote that guy out so I don't lose my job.
Well… for the first paragraph, I’d say all governments are about authority. Someone, or a group of people has to be in charge to some degree. You can’t stop crime. Every time you have rules( even completely just and fair rules) they’re people who will break them. You can’t stop the rise of powerful people. Some people are just better at things than others. The most we could ever do it puts things in place to prevent these talented people from becoming monsters. For the second paragraph, everything you say is true. From what I’ve seen the point of Solarpunk is to inspire people to invest and study these energy sources. Maybe we could find a way to eliminate or minimize the flaws. While you are right that with the amount of people they’ll still be cramp spaces, but Solarpunk also inspires a sense of community. You don’t have to be best friends, just understand that the only way anything trully improves or gets done is by humans working together. As for the third paragraph. You’re right again, it is wishy washy. I don’t think Solarpunk was ever a step by step plan on how to create the perfect society. They are works of science fiction meant to inspire an idea. That we, humanity, are not doomed. That we can heal the planet. That we can be kind to one another. Heck! The idea that most of us are kind people who want a better tomorrow. Making something better than what we have today is the furthest from easy, but it is possible. We’ll never create a perfect world or a perfect governing system. But we can make something better. I’m my experience Solarpunk simply inspires you to not give up. On the Earth, onyourself, the people around you, or humanity as a whole. We humans really haven’t been on earth for that long( in the grand scheme of things) we have a lot of history ahead of us.( If we don’t get hit by a asteroid or a solar flare in the near future) Solarpunk simply says to try to make that future bright. Sorry, I know I’m going on long enough😅. If you read this far, or read this comment at all… thank you!
i much prefer a cyberpunk future it looks better more scifi more advanced tech trhen solarpunk and it just looks so much better solar puink is ugly its to curvy and bland were cyberpunk is very boxy straight full of color and neon lights and holograms and massive huge structures that look cool as fuck hence why i love how the cybertruck looks its the first step to the cyberpunbk style the only downside its battery powerd insted of disel powerd
watching through all of this video solarpunk just sounds way worse then our current place no goivernment letting stuff decay no factorys and being told what you can and cannot eat... sounds more dysoptian then cyberpunk were they dont tell you what you can and cant do technology in cyberpunk is in a place were everyething can basicly be made infinatly without decay not only is there space trabel for astroid mineing or just space xploration but much of cyberpunk has ways to print food and resoruces from many different types of resoruces solarpunk just sounds oppresive
You do know no one being told what they can and cannot do is kinda the reason cyberpunk is distopian. It’s called anarchy. For me Solarpunk doesn’t mean we can’t develop advanced technology. Quite the opposite. We can mine asteroids and even terraform other planets. In the end someone tells what you can and cannot do someone tells you there are things that are good to eat and not good to eat. Things you are welcomed to do and things that you will be punished for doing. If there is no order of some king then there is chaos and that is not sustainable for any animal really. Cyberpunk often means “cruel corporations rule everything and no one can stop them. People are often cruel, evil, or cyberphyco. The rest of the world besides from large industrial cities is a barren wasteland.” It’s cool for a action video game, but I sure don’t want to live in a world like that. At least, that is what I have learned from the Solarpunk and cyberpunk I experienced.
Very good! Nice to see the Solarpunk story. Well told. Have to mention ‘Demolition Man’ though, eventhough its not an anarchist society, its very solarpunk in other respects. And worth mentioning.
Lunarpunk actually already exists as a genre/aesthetic! It includes nighttime/bioluminescent themes combined with spirituality. It is seen as a companion to Solarpunk though, rather than an enemy.
Wow, really well done video. Always love when solorpunk is brought up in conversation!
Sweet vid, hopefully the algorithm picks it up
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Solarpunk mates !
Why can’t we live in a Solarpunk world 😢
Can't get over how you are saying idea
The Alternative Energy Zone at Burning Man - no noisy, smellly generators - this year was my 25th Burn with 21 in the AEZ! This year with the Burning Vardo Project or the Build Your Own Damn RV!
It's heartbreaking knowing that we should be living in a "solarpunk" society but sum old rich ppl would rather poison us
Read Ted Kaczynski or just ropemaxx already
The world of monk and robot sounds like a nightmare to me. And I'm not even a capitalist.
I genuinely don't like the solarpunk subgenre and think it's this weird compromise for people who like plants and solar panels.
I feel like this whole living in harmony with nature idea is pretty conservative.
Something being natural doesn't make it better than something made synthetically.
It means you can add things that make it worse, but that was already the case with something natural.
The problem here is human institutions, nature is just as relentless as it has ever been and in no way respectable.
And your lungs don't care if oxygen was made by a tree or if it was made in a machine, it does the same with it.
The reason we need nature right now is because we as a society decide to depend on it. People would die if it we ruined nature.
However I think our dependence on nature is then the flaw. Why do we need natural air or natural plants to begin with? Especially in a society that progressed past capitalism.
We could just decide to not breathe natural air anymore and make our own. Or progress from flesh into steel making plants just a hobby for our bodies don't need their produce anymore.
I also think the solar punk genre is the industrial equivalent of the end of history politically.
So we live made this ecological utopia, are we happy that we die at age 100 and don't get to see the stars?
Like is there nothing we humans want to produce beyond this living in harmony with nature while accommodating our current life stuff?
And last, I think this idea that because you live in a utopia you wouldn't want to ever leave or explore into the stars weird.
Like I own a comfortable home that's warm. But that doesn't keep me from going out into the winter night and take a walk while drinking a beer with my boyfriend.
If I want to go somewhere I go there even if it isn't ideal.
Even simpler than that
Utopia without currency or living without labor is impossible.
I'm all for letting people do what they want but it can't come at the cost for others.
You want some water? Yeah I'm not going to stop you from drinking water from that stream over there, I think most people would be reasonable about that.
But I'm sure as hell not going to filter and package it for you without anything in return.
"Communist" ideas do work somewhat small scale and I'm not going to argue that, I and many others probably practice it already with neighbors and small community. However we do end up end of the day all coming out fairly even, yeah I'll help them with some electrical work in their house or put up a new building but I know they're going to help me with something else in return at some other point when I need help.
The heading a digital currency like "pebbles" that you don't really need to earn or ever pay back if you're spending ones you don't have are completely nonsensical fantasy ideas.
Get used to it . Its HcoNa s planet .
I get wanting a solarpunk future. I want many parts of it. But from just living life, I cannot imagine a non authority/violence based government or even social structure. How do you prevent theft? How do you prevent revenge for that theft? How do you decide what to do with land? How do you prevent the rise of social elites and or more socialy powerful people?
Renewable energy. Wonderful, but every cargo ship today uses diesel for a good reason. Nuclear requires large power grids which need to be built, maintained, protected and more. Which means workers, which means someones job is to keep those workers coming back and working, which means incentive like money or forced labor. Solar requires mining of heavy metals, wind tubines have the same issues as nuclear. There's too high of a population to NOT live in increasingly cramped places. Increasingly cramped places tend to make people very protective of their own property, and often dismissive of others since there's so many people you have to block out to get anywhere.
It just seems wishy washy. No matter how nice it all seems, it doesn't strike me as something to strive for because it's something that doesn't look at all like it could ever exist.
It's like a christian coming up to me and telling me we should make the real world like heavan. But all the plans he comes up with are just, mainstream environmentalism and mild social change that doesn't change anything. But looks nice.
I think the obsession with like renewables is weird.
Nuclear reactors are interesting and probably more sustainable than having to replace the parts of like 30 windmills every couple of decades.
Or those mines in china we don't often see that mine the resources to produce our solar panels.
I also think a lot of like writers that dislike capitalism focus too much on the nobody gets paid aspect.
Like I don't mind people who do hard work getting paid it's cool. But unelected board members that get payed 10 times more than me trough nepotism makes me cringe.
If a boss sucks and doesn't pay me well I want to be able to vote that guy out so I don't lose my job.
Well… for the first paragraph, I’d say all governments are about authority. Someone, or a group of people has to be in charge to some degree. You can’t stop crime. Every time you have rules( even completely just and fair rules) they’re people who will break them. You can’t stop the rise of powerful people. Some people are just better at things than others. The most we could ever do it puts things in place to prevent these talented people from becoming monsters.
For the second paragraph, everything you say is true. From what I’ve seen the point of Solarpunk is to inspire people to invest and study these energy sources. Maybe we could find a way to eliminate or minimize the flaws. While you are right that with the amount of people they’ll still be cramp spaces, but Solarpunk also inspires a sense of community. You don’t have to be best friends, just understand that the only way anything trully improves or gets done is by humans working together.
As for the third paragraph. You’re right again, it is wishy washy. I don’t think Solarpunk was ever a step by step plan on how to create the perfect society. They are works of science fiction meant to inspire an idea. That we, humanity, are not doomed. That we can heal the planet. That we can be kind to one another. Heck! The idea that most of us are kind people who want a better tomorrow. Making something better than what we have today is the furthest from easy, but it is possible. We’ll never create a perfect world or a perfect governing system. But we can make something better. I’m my experience Solarpunk simply inspires you to not give up. On the Earth, onyourself, the people around you, or humanity as a whole. We humans really haven’t been on earth for that long( in the grand scheme of things) we have a lot of history ahead of us.( If we don’t get hit by a asteroid or a solar flare in the near future) Solarpunk simply says to try to make that future bright.
Sorry, I know I’m going on long enough😅. If you read this far, or read this comment at all… thank you!
i much prefer a cyberpunk future it looks better more scifi more advanced tech trhen solarpunk and it just looks so much better solar puink is ugly its to curvy and bland were cyberpunk is very boxy straight full of color and neon lights and holograms and massive huge structures that look cool as fuck hence why i love how the cybertruck looks its the first step to the cyberpunbk style the only downside its battery powerd insted of disel powerd
watching through all of this video solarpunk just sounds way worse then our current place no goivernment letting stuff decay no factorys and being told what you can and cannot eat... sounds more dysoptian then cyberpunk were they dont tell you what you can and cant do technology in cyberpunk is in a place were everyething can basicly be made infinatly without decay not only is there space trabel for astroid mineing or just space xploration but much of cyberpunk has ways to print food and resoruces from many different types of resoruces solarpunk just sounds oppresive
You do know no one being told what they can and cannot do is kinda the reason cyberpunk is distopian. It’s called anarchy. For me Solarpunk doesn’t mean we can’t develop advanced technology. Quite the opposite. We can mine asteroids and even terraform other planets. In the end someone tells what you can and cannot do someone tells you there are things that are good to eat and not good to eat. Things you are welcomed to do and things that you will be punished for doing. If there is no order of some king then there is chaos and that is not sustainable for any animal really. Cyberpunk often means “cruel corporations rule everything and no one can stop them. People are often cruel, evil, or cyberphyco. The rest of the world besides from large industrial cities is a barren wasteland.” It’s cool for a action video game, but I sure don’t want to live in a world like that. At least, that is what I have learned from the Solarpunk and cyberpunk I experienced.
Very good! Nice to see the Solarpunk story. Well told.
Have to mention ‘Demolition Man’ though, eventhough its not an anarchist society, its very solarpunk in other respects. And worth mentioning.