2024 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro first impression / review
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2024
- Triumph has really stepped up their game with the newest 900 Tiger. The changes may look small on paper but on the bike they are much larger.
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I rode the 2024 and 2023 Tiger Rally Pro bikes back to back a few days ago. Immediately I noted the seating position is naturally further back on the 2024 due to not only the handle bars being 15mm closer to the rider but also because the foot pegs are (10mm) further back. It makes the bike feel like steering more with the rear like an off-road bike than with the front like a street bike. The 2024 feels easier to ride all round and the rubber mounted handle bars coupled with the new free revving motor makes the bike feel less strained at highway speeds.
Thank you!! I have an older Triumpgh 1050 Tiger Sport, and I love it, but it's definitely time to upgrade and this has so helped me to finally make a decision🙏 I looked at the 2023 and I'm now soooo glad i hesitated. Thank you😊👍
Thanks Brett for the impressions. I take delivery of a new 900 Rally Pro in the next few weeks. I have a Tiger 800 which I really like but the 2024 900 is a huge step up. Well done Triumph for listening to customers and sorting the dash, power and vibes on the 2020-23 versions. Sure to be a winner this updated model.
Can I ask did you consider the 1200 at all- Im a little conflicted as to which one to go for , albeit I haven't had a test ride on either yet
@@MrBerry67 Hi, I did consider the
1200. I am 5’7” and 75kgs and the 1200 felt tall and heavy for me. The 900 is plenty powerful even two-up, fully loaded (my 800 is a little lacking here). Lastly, my mates ride middle weight adventure bikes (KTM 790/890’s and KLR650’s) and the 1200 just won’t cut it with them when we venture off road. For me, the 2024 900 RP fits the bill perfectly. And after a long sealed road ride home, I know who is the most comfortable! Perhaps in Europe, if you’re doing long high speed motorway miles fully loaded, two up and need 150hp to hold 200km/h, then the 1200 might be the way to go 🙏
many thanks for your reply - that helps me - enjoy yours when it arrives@@clarkstreetcustoms6775
you’re going to love it. i took deliveryof 900 gtpro today - super impressed. agonized rally v. pro but reality is i do mostly road. but AWESOME bike. motor/clutch/shifter/tech/weight balance all extremely well done. enjoy.
Thank you Bret ! Looking forward to trying this babe !!
Great video Bret Thanks!
I have the old 900 RP (in green-white of course) and I love it. It is an excellent bike that does everything. There isn't really anything I miss.
Although.... she doesn't like to crash. And that always worries you a little bit and holds you back. "Explore that dodgy looking sidetrack over there? Nah... another day, sure."
When she falls, she falls hard. It can bend the handlebars or twist the cockpit. The Triumph crash bars don't take much force and it doesn't take much to dent the tank, which costs 900€.
She's very, very capable, don't get me wrong. But you should also be a capable rider so as not to drop her too often.
I've got the old one and LOVE it! I've had it a year and about to do the valves as soon as my gaskets come in... Keeping an VERY close eye on the new ones, but I've got to get my son his x400 scrambler first.
SAme boat..2023 is one year old.
I had a strange engine noise on my 22 model. I took it to my dealer who also noticed the problem. They couldn't resolve it. The dealer took it to the Triumph importer in Auckland who did nothing. I even contacted Triumph Uk; next to useless as well. I ended up trading it in for a new 900 24 RP and then had to wait the best part of the summer for it.
I did have to pay an eye-watering amount of money for the delta, but I just couldn't face legal action against my dealer. I finally have my new bike and Brett is right, the engine is smoother, it just feels like a totally new model compared with my 2 years old model.
Maybe I had a lemon before. I must say that having been a Triumph owner in the UK many years ago, I never experienced warranty issues there. The New Zealand importer doesn't give Triumph a good name, in fact my experience shows they simply don't cate enough about the brand they represent.
Great video and on point as usual. Looking forward to the in-depth review if you can make that happen. Im a happy 2020 Tiger 900 Rally Pro owner with 34K miles on it and LOVE the bike so really interested in this evolution. I wish something would break on mine to give me an excuse to change !
Technical progress. Fantastic that Triumph is giving us a gentle triple growl. Hope you can ride it extensively in 2024. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
Thanks for the video. Looks impressive.
Solid review. I have the new 1200 and owned the old 800. Would agree with all the comments Bret makes. He is a good guy, took one of his offroad classes in Washington State. The class where most of it is on BDR like trails and roads. Great class would highly recommend it. Took it on the new 1200RE.
WOW - -MY BIKE ! - - - -I LOVE IT . . . . . .thanks for sharing . . . . . . . . . . .thanks for your work ! . . . . . . . . Greeting from GERMANY !
BY all accounts a great all round bike.I have the 22 model.
Brett you are my go to guy for all riding technique videos. In this video it feels you were trying too hard to like it without providing much of technical reasoning. Will wait for more user review. Keep up the good work...👍
I’d live to have a triple, but never rode a triple ADV style. I need to get a test ride, she looks great.
I had just sent you an email last night offering my 2024 RP if you needed to finish your review and to my pleasant surprise I see this video pop up. I just picked up the RP yesterday so I haven't had a chance to really ride it yet. Weather is turning nasty this next week in North Georgia, so I'll have to be patient. However, I am one with a short inseam (30") and am able to comfortably get my feet down (not flat footed, but a good contact nevertheless). I was surprised that it felt less top heavy than my 2019 650 V-Strom. I do like the handlebar position and that the handlebar is fairly straight (not curved like the GT).
I got that email 😊 sorry I hadn't replied yet. It was on my list of "to get too's"
I started my Adventure bike journey with a 2018 KTM 1290 SAR. After 5 years realizing the bike was too big in a lot of ways I traded for a Husky 701. As I'm getting older in a few years from now I'll probably be looking at a mid size bike and this so far looks to be in the running with a few others. At least this bike is appealing to the eye.
I owned a Tracer 9GT, an MT09 on stilts that gets scared when faced a speck of dust on the road. And really it was dull.
(Not so with my Speed Twin 1200. Oh regarding gravel yes, but dull it is not.)
Long story short. Today I visited my dealer here in Gävle Sweden (yes Very snowy and icy) and my salesman started up the 900 Rally Pro… my Goodness that throaty angry sound! Awesome!!! He and I wondered what it will sound like with an Akra system! I’m sold and a down payment will be transferred for a green one.
Thanks for the up!
Thanks for the video Brett, useful and helpful as always! I have short inseam and thinking in a KTM 890 adventure or this Triumph... I believe many riders that combine off road adventures with commuting and some duo weekend ride might have the same question!
The 890 does have "GS" like balance which is very helpful if you are shorter. The Triumph is MUCH better at heat management and more comfortable on the road. I would test both, make an honest assessment of your riding needs and then decide.
Would love to see your review about Aprilia Tuareg 660
Hi Bret. Firstly, I want to say I enjoy watching your videos. That said, why isn't the Africa Twin a primary competitor to the new Rally Pro 900? It's true the AT has less HP, but it has more torque. Just curious. Thanks.
The Africa Twin is a larger bike in both physical size and engine capacity
Actually, the numbers are pretty darn close in terms of weight and power. Take a look. @@tactical1224
Great first impression review. I am thinking about getting the 900 GT Pro or the Rally Pro. I ride mostly on road. I am thinking of getting more into offroad, but have not committed yet. Which one would you buy?
Great job on the first impression. Just wondering about the air filter accessibility? Hopefully they made it easier the maintain. I’m really interested in this bike.
Thanks! Inspiring! Can you post a link for a guide who can do a custom M/C ride in Spain? Looks amazing!
I'm tempted I wish I waited a year to buy. But I've had really good luck with the 900 offroad and I'm not sure I have the skill to benefit from upgrading... I feel like the 2023 fits me like a glove with my body shape...
Bret! My guy!
I own a 2016 800 XCA but I've ridden a 2023 and I want one of the 900s now
I'm on a 2017 800 XCa , I found the last 900 good but not good enough to upgrade, this new model might have all the little improvements that make it worth it... still have my eyes on a 1200 tho as I commute on my 800 and would love a littel bit more GO and also the ease of the Shaft!
I had tiger 800 2012 i absolutly loved !! I ride it for 4 season and put on it total of 40k miles naw I got 2021 850cc and I can't see better bice then tiger on the market right naw absolutely outstanding bices❤❤
Tack!
Great vid! Triumph dealer is letting me know when they get them here near Atlanta. Excited to ride it. Wanna start doing way more off road. So I’m also going to look at a 2021 890 R Rally with 1100 miles on it. The 890 is super clean and is the owner of the dealerships bike, he keeps in the showroom, so I’m conflicted. Worried about the KTM gremlins. My current 2020 Tiger 1200 has been bulletproof so I’m definitely leaning towards another Triumph.
I am pretty shy about the big KTM's too. Such a shame because they are so much fun to ride
What about the heat? I have a multi v4s and want something lighter and less hot... But dont want to loose too much from the chassis/suspensions... About the engine my mind is ready to know that if i want something lighter i will loose the best engine
The people in Maglalagalaga here in Spain are going to be extremely disappointed you avoided a second take pronouncing it. It is really easy: maAa-la-ga-lä-ggh-aàh...ahahahh!.
BTW, the (real) demonym is Malagueños. That's a tricky one ;D
Glad to see you visiting, and happy to see in the South the temperatures were nice when that was shot. A few hundred miles North we´re freezing theses days. Nice first impression video!
2:30 My aprilia tuareg 660 stays in off road mode with rear abs disabled when you cycle the key. Also you don't have to stop to switch to off road mode from road mode, also you can adjust traction control on the fly, it's nice having adjustable traction control, not just one setting like the tiger.
But you always have front ABS so it meets the legal requirements
The 890R allows full abs off when holding the down button for a few seconds while in rally mode and it stays off. This is per the latest software update on the bike.
High praise from you for this bike would ordinarily land the Triumph on my list of possible contenders for my next bike. What keeps it off my list, at least as a new bike, is Triumph's warranty.
Under "Conditions And Exclusions" the warranty states "1. The machine must not have been used for competition, misused*, inadequately maintained, or incorrectly serviced or maintained."
"Misused" being the operative word here.
Then under "Service Records" the official warranty states "*Misuse includes any use not in accordance with the recommendations made in the ’how to ride the motorcycle’ section of the owner's handbook and any use contrary to the warnings given in that same handbook. In addition, misuse will include, but not be limited to any use of the motorcycle which does not constitute normal road use."
The last sentence basically says that the warranty excludes "misuse", so anything other than "normal road use". Take it off road and you cancel the warranty. Makes no sense to me.
Husqvarna's warranty (looking at the 901 Expedition) does not have that limitation and neither does BMW (will look at the new 900GS when out)
I have pointed this out to Triumph many times. This is a real concern as one of my instructors ran into this issue. From what I can tell how the dealership handles it is the real issue
Those tires look interesting; what are they? Will they be the OEM in the U.S.?
Really wish it would have been a review of the 1200.
"They all takes you back to default settings..." unless you re on the Tuareg. You set riding mode on the fly - and it stay 😁
A good review of the bike size compares it to your height and lets us know how it feels. Other than that, the review was great.
Hi Brett
When you were in South Africa a while back we met in person that day and you said to me your favourite bike at that stage was your old BMW 800 GS....😂. Will you say that the 800GS handle better off road than the 1200GS....
TX
Johann
Hey Bret. I know they don’t go head to head but what’s your take on the 1300 GS vs this new 900 RP?
I’m down to these two as my shortlist of two to buy later this summer.
Thanks.
what I like to this is that it looks by far more quality&luxurious bike than ktm890r&norden 901 expedition and suspension wise&motor capable also!!
Congrats to triumph I already book my test ride and waiting here in Greece!
It is definitely more refined than the 890/901
Thanks Bret! How are the ride modes/ABS compared to, say, a KTM 890? Also, I like you Rev'it kit!
KTM has been the leader in off-road electric riders enhancments in my opinion but that gap has closed in the last couple of years with Ducati jumping in. (Ducati is still behind in offroad ABS tech though).
Triumph was horrendous with it's off-road tech when it emerged in 2015. It was seamless on the 2024. I still like having more control over each setting than just general settings like Triumph, BMW and others.
Ducati seems to the the best at individualized settings with KTM just behind (KTM still has the best offroad electronics performance though).
I’ve got 22k miles on my ‘21 Rally Pro. Prolly 10k of that dirt mountain roads. Have pretty much figured out all my setups for off-road, on road, touring. I moto-camped for 9 weeks last year (zero hotels/motels). Every rider’s fitment will be different. And I think I have mine pretty dialed in.
Rode to my local Triumph dealer yesterday, actually to check out the new 400 scrambler which is now delayed months (Thanks to Houthi radicals bringing all shipping through the red sea and Suez canal to a standstill). So no 400’s for a bit. I was looking to add a small fun bike to my stable for visitors.
But they had just PDI’d the ‘24 Tiger 900’s. They didn’t have a demo to ride yet, but I was able to side-by-side some things. Ok… horsepower and torque. The first gen 900’s needed to be able to be restricted for EU. You could have your Tiger detuned to 47hp while you put in your time and miles. But the EU limited max hp to 94 for “Configurable” bikes. In the fuel mapping, the ecu restricted max throttle opening above 7,500rpm thereby limiting max hp. So opening up that restriction, viola, more hp. Something that can be done with tweaks to the map. Also a much better flowing exhaust (just a look at the header tells you this). The sales person, also rides a first gen, and we both agreed…we would GLADLY pay like $1,500 for the upgraded TFT.
I’ve worked out my setups in the ride modes, dialing them into my preferences. I’ve gone through enough tires to find what works for me. When they have a demo ready, they’ll give me a heads up. But it would be a tarmac only ride as they are many miles from any of the mountains I ride in.
I chose my Rally Pro because IMHO it represented the best ALL ROUND adventure bike on the market, and not by a little, by A LOT. When I took the time to really concentrate on adjusting it to the riding conditions and my riding style, it has become quite an amazing machine.
I can’t think of another bike that would better cover one of my loops I like to call “Shake and Bake”. It’s about 175 miles. Covering over 31,000 feet of elevation changes, 80 miles of mountain dirt atv/4x4 roads, AND the Tail of the Dragon thrown in just because.
To put a new gen 2 Rally Pro together with what I consider essential gear, I’d be over $21k otd. If it were cosmically better than my gen 1, kinda like my RP was to the 800XC, I might consider it.
In the end, if the new bike gets the respect that the gen 1 failed to garner, all the better.
Looking forward to a full review.
Just rode my '21 5500 mile to and from Alaska and am wondering if I'm the only one who gets blasted by the wind coming off the stock wind screen? Swapped to a tall Givi when I got home, but it's too tall for off road rides.
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Great comments. Think the motor is more than just "de-restricting" - different cams and valve settings too I understand.
Great insights. Got any more details on that route?
@@AVRides
Here ya go…
Hope I got it right…
Based on Gaia…
Shake ‘n Bake
From Gatlinburg
321N to Cosby
R on 32 Mt Sterling Rd.
R (straight) on Old Cataloochee
Continue on Cove Creek
R on Jonathan Creek
R on 19
Stop at Wheels Through Time… Look at amazing old HD’s and Indians, enter raffle, hope for the best…
Continue on 19
R on Hyatt Cove (Cherokee Res)
Continue onto Upper River Road
L on Jenkins Creek East Fork
Stream crossing!!!
R on Jenkins Creek West Fork
R on Dobson Ridge Rd
R on Mile High Rd
Straight (Center) Mile High Campground Rd
L on Heintooga Ridge Rd
Straight on Balsam Mountain Rd @ Flat Creek Trialhead
L on Bunches Creek Road to Indian Creek Campground
Continue on Bunches Creek to Big Witch Gap
R on Blue Ridge Pkwy
R on 441 to Gatlinburg
Hop over the Smoky Mountains at New Found Gap
L at Fighting Creek Gap
Continue to Cades Cove Loop
At Cades Cove Visitor Center, straight onto Forge Creek Rd
R on Parsons Branch Rd
R on 129 (Tail of the Dragon)
R on Foothills Pkwy
Continue Foothills Pkwy to 321 Wears Valley
321 to Pigeon Forge (It’s a R or L depending on your exit choice)
On to Gatlinburg
Done!
I owned a 900 Rally Pro which I sold last year due to major reliability issues - three warranty claims: 1. Wheel failure; 2. Gearbox failure; 3. Complete ignition failure and rewire. To be fair, the Triumph warranty covered all the problems, albeit the bike was off the road for weeks at a time. And to be honest, I completely loved the bike, riding over 18,000 miles in 2 years. Maybe, I had a 'Friday' bike, but it has put me off buying another Tiger.
Similar experience with a Desert-X. These perimeter tubeless rims seem to fail with every brand. Hopefully, Triumph stood behind theirs, as Ducati would not. I also have a friend with a nearly new GS with a similar failed wheel.
I did too, great bike when it ran, shitty warranty support so I sold mine and took a bath, never again
Buyers beware
I did too, great bike when it ran, shitty warranty support so I sold mine and took a bath, never again
Buyers beware
I did too, great bike when it ran, shitty warranty support so I sold mine and took a bath, never again
Buyers beware
I did too, great bike when it ran, shitty warranty support so I sold mine and took a bath, never again
Buyers beware
Did they fix the heat blowing straight at your knees? In hot weather its super bad on the previous generation.
I will wait for the reviews when the F900GS hits NA shores.
Great video, which bike do you prefer most?? Ducati DesertX or the 2024 Triumph Tiger 900?
I bought a 2023 DesertX but the Triumph is more bike for the buck.
If I did any real road travel I'd go Triumph. The Duc is capable but the Triumph is more refined with more options at a lower price.
Ducati is just a bad addiction 😁👍
I will have take a look at the new tiger since my 890 had a catastrophic engine failure.
How many miles and what happened?
Does the new skid plate fit the older generation?
Is that a small dent on the skidplate perhaps? 🧐Noticed it just as you started to discuss it...
Thank you for the review, still some questions.
- isnt the norden expedition 901 not competitive priced (also with heated seat, grips and a oem bashplate that is offroad worthy.
- In the Netherlands we have a lot of short stretches of offroad sections so you need to change ride mode easily. Or it should be easy to turn ABS off on the rear wheels. Am I correct that it is only possible to change ride modes when standing still, even with the short cuts? Because that makes the bike unusable for me. Is it possible to change ABS mode when riding?
The 890 and 901 ride in the same frame, with the same motor made by KTM and branded as Husqvarna. I didn't think it needed to be said but... Yes
You can change to street on the move but not street to dirt
Blimey. If that's you riding dirt with the big drop, fair play to you and your giant cohones. I've got a 21 900 Rally Pro which I found surprisingly capable off road in my not very good hands. Anakee Wilds were excellent in Welsh mud.
Hi great video thank… I am looking at buying the new 2024 model myself.. after doing so research online I saw a some cases of the frame cracking and having problems… I was wondering if that’s now been solved with the new model? TIA
Most frame cracks were caused by aftermarket crash bars shearing front motor mount bolts.
Yep 100%@@stk0308
I ordered mine after seeing it at the NEC bike show. Should have it by the 20th of January.
Curious how low first gear is. I have a 800Xc (spec'd out to Xca) and first gear is just ridiculously tall for any sort of slow offroad work. Engine braking while descending is basically just not a thing. I think they made a small update to 1st (lower) and 6th (higher) a couple years after mine, but I'll bet it could use a full revamp.
If it's anything like the previous gen 900, it will be fairly low. I puttered around a number of passes in CO using 1st gear with no stress.
@@stk0308 That's good to know.. Not like I really need to replace my bike though. ;)
Norden 901 expedition comes standard with all those features and more.
Only with the Norden 901 Expedition. The regular 901 falls short of some of the included items notably the heated seat and heated grips.
What are the "more" features the 901 has that the Pro does not?
You must be on this video at Catalonia. Looks very close to a desert
I had 22 Rally Pro, loved the bike, but it kept having rear spokes breaking, two time on road use. So I lost all confidence in its safety
Really great review 👍🏻👌🏻 wanna buy one right now ☝🏻
Looking at the Tiger both 900 and 1200 to eventually replace my Honda AT 2017 DCT (which I like very much) but maybe want some more power (1200) or slightly more nimble (900) but similar power. And more gadgets 🤪
Tuff choice 😅
It's worth going for a ride 😁👍
Bret, biggest question tho, can you turn off the headlight on the US version. Honestly that might sell me because I hate that the headlight is on all the time
Good question... I know the DesertX allows us daylights in the US. I will check into the Tiger
@BretTkacs thank you Bret!
My only comment would be how does it compare to the Norden 901 on the dirt Brett. We know that Triumph have consistently made motorcycles with impeccable road manners and are very well appointed. So, is the dirt handling a difference? That low-slung saddle fuel tank on the Huskies and KTM 's sure make a difference when low speed handling on broken surfaces. It the new Tiger 900 top heavy, or does it hide its weight very well?
In truely tight technical riding the 890/901 still have the advantage.
The DesertX is better than the 890/901 in high speed dirt and pavement...
The Triumph seems like it's going to give the Ducati a real fight but with more comfort.
The exhaust from the engine poured right onto my long legs on the previous generation. It's fine on the 1200 because they direct it away from you. Did they address that on the new 900?
They appeared too however weather was perfect and seat time avoided sitting in traffic so I really don't know yet how much it's improved. With that said HP always comes with a cost and the 890/901 and DesertX both put off serious heat with the 890/901 being absolutely scalding at times.
I had a 2018 800 xca but I found the geometry was off. Couldn’t hold a line on the pavement corners and it never felt confident on gravel in the corners. How is this one?
That sounds interesting. Can you explain that better please ? I have 2018 tiger and now I'm confused. Thanks
18k valve checks is a good start. I hated that on my 21 Tiger. It’s really expensive service. I hope the engine change is good. The highway vibration is why I sold mine.
It's a shame most manufacturers are still chasing those like Yamaha with 24k checks. Of course Yamaha is pushing the power threshold like KTM, Triumph and Ducati. It's also nice that Triumph left BMW behind in performance and still moved up the valve interval
how did your 21. 12k miles valve check service go. I've not heard of any that needed much of anything so far.
@@kee7678 needed a small shim at 12k on exhaust ports. Then at 24k needed inlet ports as well.
Hmmm. ok thank you. What does the 12k mile service typically cost ?@@jasonshortphd
@@kee7678 in my area $1800-$2100 depending on the shop. That’s expensive.
Confused about the tyres. Tubed or tubeless? Different on the GT?
Tubeless on both the Pro and GT
Have they done anything different with the spokes?
Unfortunately most manufacturers has decided to take the spokes to the outside edge (ala BMW) making them harder to clean and wider (easier cosmetic damage).
I was able to ride the bike hard bit we were definitely not in "rock" terrain
@@BretTkacsIt seems to me the spokes have a weak spot and break there consistently; many have reported that. A recent trip on tarmac left me stranded with 6 broken spokes. If you look, there is a slight bend right before the connection with the rim. And there are not good choices to solve this problem: aftermarket spokes void the warranty, aftermarket wheels still have issues with holding air, new oem wheels or spokes don't guarantee solution (obviously).
Though I REALLY like the new colorways, I'll keep my 21. I dont ride like you do and the extra ponies would just be wasted on me (also, been through three rear tires in a year...new bike would mean four or more =D). It does look like they may have modified the radiator outlet ducts slightly, possibly addressing the "hot knees" issue I've seen others comment on? I like the new display graphics.
It is a sexy looking bike in person... I need more than two days of perfect temperature weather to comment on the heat management
@2:20, Bret... then Aprilia is breaking the law (what law?) you're citing with the Tuareg 660. It stays in off-road or individual mode, with TC/ABS/etc disabled or tuned to your spec in those two profiles. But I am 100% certain my Tuareg keeps ABS turned off if I kill the bike and take out the key while in one of those two modes, then turn it back on.
I used to own a 2013 800XC... does the rake still suck on this new model (I was a new adv rider when I bought the 800XC)? My understanding is the 900 series you have to dismount and crank down the rear preload to get an offroad bias rake.
And does servicing the air filter still involve dismantling half a dozen pieces of body plastics and the gas tank? Or did they pull their heads out of their asses and put it under the seat and make it more accessible?
Hey Bret, how stupid of an idea do you think it would be to take the gt version to light/medium off road? Rally pro is a bit too tall for me as I am very short rider
Having ridden a 19" alloy wheeled GS for almost ten years, and taken it some places I wished I hadnt at the time, I dont think you would have any issues. Just make sure you have a decent bash plate.
Any bike can do gravel. It all depends on how aggressive you are and how fast you ride.
As a note I didn't care for the GT handling at first. I had to really play with the suspension to get it feeling more planted on paved corners.
@@orangelion03 Thank you for your answer. The reason I asked is, after having done quite rough offroad on it (teth valey in Albania) I was beginning to get worried if I kept at it, I could permanently damage front suspension, the wheel itself or something to that effect.. I don't ride it too hard often. But I'm worried when I do, I might damage it because after all, it is a road focused bike.
“By Law” regarding always switching back to an enabled mode when you turn the bike off and back on is interesting. My GSA does not do this which makes me question the “by law” comment. Can you explain this further please?
What year is your GSA?
@@BretTkacs 2022
I ride 1200 gs adventure thinking of changing what are your thoughts on the difference between the 900 and the 1200 tiger what would be your choice? I ride long distances around Europe and beyond
Honestly both are fine for touring. The shaft drive would be nice for street touring. I would have to ride both back to back.
In 2009 I passed on the R1200GS for the F800GS only because the 800 made me smile more.
Many thanks bret I'll go and book test ride on them both but I still love my gs adventure don't like the new 1300 they have lost their way with that one. Once again many thanks
Would you take one over a Husqvarna Norden 901 expedition?
Just for the reliability I would go with a triumph. The Norden is a fantastic bike to ride and has balance only rivaled but the BMW boxers but it is still build on the 790/890 platform which is one of KTM's least reliable big bike platforms.
I hope the clutch is better than my 1200 Tiger, after 11,000km I am on my second one. I didn't care for the old 900 but loved the 1200, when it ran. With the new screen I wonder if you can display either the trip meter or the odometer since you can't on the 1200.
I can't speak to the clutch but this 900 produces more smiles than the last gen.
I have the 2022 tiger 900
I think you talked me into trading it in
Ride one first and see if it is enough of a change. For me it felt significantly more fun. Not everyone is likely to agree
Your 22 is fine.
i think the best version of the rallys is the Aragon edition. the 2026 or 27 tiger should be a whole new beast!!
But you cannot get Aragon edition for 2024, can you now? Or you indeed mean 2023 version? (I mean you can go to dealership and get Aragon editions, but they are 2023 models. Even website says the same)
Bloopers--- I went from thinking about buying to oh shit it's tax season I may want to wait. Last work physical they offered a free hearing aid too. Seat review was my favorite part
Not sure I like the higher compression ratio of the motor. Much more ponies on tap but the engine has to work harder to produce it.
I'm not familiar with the technicalities, but +10hp sounds like a spec war between manufacturers and not something that is really noticeable by the riders.
Yes, longevity could be compromised, but there are quite a few bikes with that ration. Also, it will not like bad octane fuel much more than previuos model. Because the higher compression ration the more important that fuel doesn't burn by itself too early.
This bike feels like a lot more than the numbers suggest. The sound and power delivery are noticable. None of us will ride the max ponies on any bike as we seldom ever hit that rev range but this bike was fun! If I hadn't bought a DesertX at the end of the 23' season I might have bought one of these.
@@BretTkacsI also have my eye on the Tiger 900, just thinking about longevity of the engine compared to a bike with a lower compression ratio. I guess it's all about compromise in the end
Still failed to updated the software so you can change the rider modes on the fly, and turn off abs, and have it actually remember the settings when you cycle the ignition. That note about by law (in which country?) they have turn ABS on when you cycle key must be BS (on Triumph's part) given the KTM doesn't. On a long multi surface tour you aren't going to want to be stopping ever hour to change modes, or play around having to turn ABS off.
Which KTM model and year and what country?
790 and 890 adventure all across the EU don't re-enable ABS when you turn the ignition off. If you set it to off-road abs, it will stay there. You owned one so you are probably familiar with it too. My remark about BS was referring to Triumph claiming it's due to the law. @@BretTkacs
😂 Less inseam sounds so much better than short person.
But it has less power and torque < 4k RPMs compared to 2023. Identical between 4k and 5k. It has more power and torque between 5100-6000 RPMs. Identical between 6000 and 6300, and then it finally has more power and torque than old engine in the rest of the range. In other words, for average riding < 5000 RPMs it should be slower.
Maybe the feeling is different, but the specs are specs.
I test road 2023 GT Pro in November, almost ordered on the spot Aragon edition. But with clearer head at home decided to wait for the new model to show up. Test rides should be soon available. Though, I wonder how much worse Rally Pro handles in on tarmac compared to GT Pro. Because GT Pro was fabulous on twisties.
I spent 3 months with the old Tiger and really liked it but not enough to buy. This one by appearance anc spec sheet should feel very similar but it felt like much more than the numbers. I would love to have one in my bike shop
@@BretTkacs Thank you for your content! :)
"...no oem skid plate can hold that ". I think Husky Expedition skid plate can hold that.
Maybe... It does look good in pics. I haven't seen one up close yet.
i got one. 4-5mm thick aluminium
The 12k miles valve adjustment is enough to keep me away from this bike. On my DR its a 45 min job, on the tiger its a heck of a job if you do it yourself, and very expensive if done at the dealer.
18k for this bike.
@@branev3753Pretty good update! Still not great if you ride a lot (in my case it would need a valve check every year) and far from what Yamaha and EVEN Ducati offers on some of their new bikes.
The DesertX is 18000mi and the KTM 890 18600. The Yamaha and Honda are better but they are also not pushing their engines as hard for performance.
18000 for the new triumph isn't special but at least it's now on par.
The Ducati Multistrada V4s is 36000 (60000 km) but that's a bike in a different class
@@BretTkacs Yeah I was referring to the V4…when Ducati can get 60000km between valve checks you know all OEMs could if they wanted to :)
Honda isn’t great either it was 1000$ every 24000km on my africa twin…while my 92 nighthawk had hydraulic valve adjusters requiring no maintenance…so does the panamerica. Yamaha have been using 40000km intervals as long as I can remember which is very reasonable and it should be the baseline.
Completely agree with the growl. Old 800 was like a sewing machine, smooth but boring. Such a great sound from the new T Plane crank engines when you open them up. Deserves the tiger name now. Good they are taming the vibes a little. They weren't terrible at all but good to reduce them. Bar weights and bark busters basically eliminated the issue I had with the 2023 1200RE that I have.
I wish I didn't watch this video LOL. My 2023 Tiger 900 RP is awesome...but THIS..even MOREso.
CFMOTO IBEX 800T has all these features at 10.5K
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Reliability is a big issues with Triump (and KTM and sadly many others..)
Great bikes, when they run.....
Really? I did 2 yrs of research and did not arrive at the conclusion about Triumph, but agree on the KTM.
@kee7678 electronic, front wheel, corrosion (pain flaking off on new bike) subframe braking, spoke breaking etc etc.
I did hear 2 guys have broken spoke...@@Loiczzr
Too bad that the display is running old hardware. And the display graphics look terrible. We left that faux metal back in 2012 and other reviewers have said that the menu system is difficult to use while riding. If I'm paying higher than BMW-prices I want higher than BMW quality. Otherwise it looks like a great bike.
I'm also confused about the display. The previous one had too small RPMs, it was hard to see. I hit rev limiter a few times because of that on my test ride.
This new screen again looks weird. Revs shown in red, close to redline is marked in red, and redline itself is marked red. It doesn't seem like not hitting rev limiter will be any easier with this display.
Plus it should just let you display some things permanently on display like A trip kilometres, etc. The screen is so big, plenty of space.
Also, now we get only two styles. Why can't we get 4 like in Honda Transalp? So everyone would find something they like. The weird part is, that it's just a design, it's not like actually making hardware to send inputs, this part works no matter what design is used.
In South Africa the price is much lower than BMW. In fact, here it is only 10% more than the standard Tenere 700.
@@henryvaneyk3769are you referring to the outgoing Tiger or the 2024 model? Cause the brand new Tiger Rally Pro is R60K more than the Tenere
@@paulvandervyver4223 I got a 2023 (Aragon Edition) 5 months ago for R245k. At that time the T7 was about R220k I believe.
Triumph must have sent him this bike. His reviews are completely useless!
I guess you didn't watch the end 🫤
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