Eric Wagner definitely DOESN'T suck! Especially on TROUBLE's 1st 5 albums. He has the perfect voice for the band,so wailing and MOURNFUL. TROUBLE are one of the ALL TIME greats in Metal history,it's a FACT!
ganondorfchampin in interviews they discussed the influence judas priest, and black sabbath had on them and their sound.. caught trouble way back. when they put Manic Frustration..And they killed it..been a fan ever since.. Metal-on. !,,!
The day I got the ok to include some of Eric's lyrics in my heavy rock infused fantasy novel, Sword of Aeteurnia, I also got to have a long talk on messenger with him about many things. Eric has his beliefs, which are his business, but at his core I can tell you he is very much a peace and love guy. Someone very real in an artificial superficial world. What I got from Eric, is that he is very much like his lyrics. I call him a modern day poet. His view is that deep down people know what is right, but sometimes, for whatever reasons, don't make the right choices. Eric is also a very humble guy. Had an awesome short conversation with him, at the last Skull show with Saint Vitus in Dallas. We talked a bit about the old "white metal" thing with Metal Blade Records. Really liked his attitude about it. He basically said he was trying to provide a heavy alternative to all the negative lyrics and imagery. He was not trying to judge or anything, just being real, and writing about deeper things, his thoughts about things happening, and what will happen in this world. Once again, not judging, but if you wanted hate, satan, etc, there were those who would give it to you in music, entertainment, but he was not going to be one of them. Really cool attitude to me, an honor to collaborate with him, and feature selected lyrics of Trouble in my book, along with a few of Victor Griffin of Pentagram/Place of Skulls, Dave Chandler of Saint Vitus, and several other heavy bands. My biggest writing influences are Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. Regarding beliefs, I would say to all the real Christians out there, like you should for everyone, pray for people, for guidance and wisdom, and for those without hope in this wicked world, and don't judge. Every Christian needs to remember, that they once were not ....SG Smith. The book is available from Amazon and Kindle.
I've seen this band so many times here in Chicago. Bigger stages and small clubs. Always killer and a big influence. Doom, Christian, whatever. It all Metal.
Not 20 yet in 87 I remember drumming along this album ( along with King Diamond's stuff) while at college. Still my favorite music and some times I met with some folks to jam this. What a feeling.
@@paravan2000 Hi, I don't find them that way... for me, just great albums, 'especially' 1990's self titled album 'Trouble' which is one of my ALL time favourite albums 😊👍👊
@@norseman3514 Black metal seems to be exploding again as well. Although, like doom, it's always had a cult following. But, I think more are coming back to it or becoming new fans.
I love how Bill cones in and tosses the drummer out and finishes the song. Maybe on their next tour they can invite Bill to guest drum since Sabbath is having a stupid attack about him.
MUCH Respect from New Orleans Louisiana..Listen to this s.o. many times with my band members older than me..Turned me on..Way when we are doing Downll and before..On way to studio blasted this on our mixed tape..☆ Stephopal Opal Aka Big Mama ◇ NOLA ~~ music and Peace ♡♡
I haven't heard this song since August 1987. I heard it on Z-Rock 93 FM! I picked it up in Sheboygan, Wisconsin from Muskegeon / Grand Rapids, Michigan! I just happened to be thinking of the song in my head and thanks to Google ... !! Love it!
Trevor B I didn't know that Z rock had that big of an audience in 87 as I heard this song the same time frame. Plus I had a great old friend whose name was Trevor back when I grew up here in Albany New York
I was scanning the FM band and picked up Z Rock. I didn't know much about it at first but I did find out through the DJ comments that it was simulcast through Hart, Muskegon and Grand Rapids area. I was obviously picking up the signal from across Lake Michigan. since I would be very close to due West from that area of Michigan. It blew my mind the stuff they were playing. Stuff I had to always import (at the time) into Canada :-)
Wow what a blast from the fuckin past between these guys St.Vitus,Fu Manchu,Earthless,& Kyuss well underground mix of metal & hardcore punk fused in one genera yet still timeless amazing records to this day
One of the greatest bands I've ever heard someone to rated I love everything they've ever done I still listen to everything they played to this day awesome stuff!
Bible doesn't say that smoking weed is wrong. I'm a christian and if you ask me ganja is god's gift to mankind and brings people closer to his presence.
They formed in 79 and the first album was out in 82. They got as popular as they ever would be. Also the popularity they have on the internet is not the same popularity they had back in the day. They’re were playing big festivals and touring with big bands all the time back then. They just didn’t translate well to newer times.
This brings me back to when you could pick up an album, look at the cover, read the names of the songs on the back and figure out whether or not the band was going to suck or be good 90 percent of the time.
As we affectionately call Trouble here in Chicago -- they are our Black Sabbath. I saw Trouble twice -- the first time was in 1997 when they were touring with Plastic Green Head and again when Ron Holzner was opening with his current band Earthen Grave. Ron got up on stage with Trouble and played. Trouble is our hometown heroes.
I don`t believe i´m just listening to this band only a few months ago. This music deserves to be listened since.......all your life !fuck! it is so good.
Christ once said " chill out , head over to Ireland and listen to a bit of heavy rock music " . He further enthused , " I strongly recommend " Deep purple , in rock " , Trouble , the untitled album , Death angel act 3 and slayers south of heaven . Yet he cautioned , " Manowar would be worth a listen to too " . Here endith the lesson !
maybe the best thing christianity has to offer as far as music goes, especially metal. they made some excellent "doom" albums in the 80's and early 90's, but they were very positive albums, at least the lyrics were. the thrash metal band living sacrifice had an excellent self titled album as well, i would give them a close second.
Of course not. They are about Truth and Light, who wants to feel that, being in the darkness? That's what i saw too in my musical life. But know that many more will never speak but in stead be in peace with their Creator. That's why we make music.
Eric Wagner drew from the British invasion for his vocal attack as he does have a Robert Plant style attack; the Christians wrote the lyrics in Trouble as Bruce Franklin is the lone Christian in the band. They caught a lot of shit from Christian circles with Bastards Will Pay as Eric wasn't afraid of strong language. I saw them twice once in 1997 and again in 2011. Trouble is a unique heavy metal band that are a strong outfit since their formation as they were game changers in the 1980s -- like Stryper and Bloodgood they drew from The Bible with their early albums as they were accused of being a Christian band. Robert Sweet with recent bands plays doom metal as I was wondering what got him listening to Doom as it was a stark contrast from his glam metal roots as doom metal got mainstream with Alice In Chains and Soundgarden as they introduced it to alternative metal. Christian themes in heavy metal was an open thing in Chicago as Slauter Estroyes' current lead singer is a devote Christian as some heavy metal bands never got their proper due like Sacred Warrior (as Rey went to church with members of Trouble in the 1980s.) The difference between Stryper and Trouble is Trouble was quite punishing and dark with their delivery as they influenced Down and Corrosion of Conformity with their sludge metal delivery. Chicago in the mid-1980s into the 1990s had two metal movements Trouble and Ministry. When Ministry emerged with their Industrial Metal sound everyone shit their fucking pants including Wax Trax.
What year was that. I saw them first in 87, at Arcadia. Met them at Underground Records at the signing. Then saw the show right after at the Basement, but that was 90. I can't remember the year when the video was first shown ? Much has happened since then with me, became friends with them, and to make a long story short, my recently published heavy rock infused fantasy novel Sword of Aeteurnia features a few of Eric's lyrics in the story. Also some of Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Solitude Aeturnus, and several more. Available on Amazon, and Kindle....
Yes, I remember reading something about this video, a couple centuries ago(ok so it just seems like it), and Bill Ward did make an appearance in this vid.
Who's here in 2020?
Gotta love the comedy!
WHyyyyyy do you love the darkness?? How can you see where you are going?!?!!!
Rest in Peace Eric! Thank you for the music.
Metal with a positive message …. Rip Wagner.
Eric Wagner definitely DOESN'T suck! Especially on TROUBLE's 1st 5 albums. He has the perfect voice for the band,so wailing and MOURNFUL. TROUBLE are one of the ALL TIME greats in Metal history,it's a FACT!
Trouble might be doom metal, but I can feel the Judas Priest and Iron Maiden influence in their songs.
the rhythmic section is doom, the rest is mostly related to NWOBHM
ganondorfchampin
in interviews they discussed the influence judas priest, and black sabbath had on them and their sound.. caught trouble way back. when they put Manic Frustration..And they killed it..been a fan ever since.. Metal-on. !,,!
i thought doom metal is that super slow speed with heavy guitars band..
Yes, doom metal is slow. Old doom metal was somewhat less slow, but it's still slow. Trouble just has faster parts.
I always thought Eric Wagner kinda sounded like Robert Plant
The semi-acoustic bit in the middle sounds like Led Zeppelin. Trouble are a truly great and under-rated band.
The day I got the ok to include some of Eric's lyrics in my heavy rock infused fantasy novel, Sword of Aeteurnia, I also got to have a long talk on messenger with him about many things. Eric has his beliefs, which are his business, but at his core I can tell you he is very much a peace and love guy. Someone very real in an artificial superficial world. What I got from Eric, is that he is very much like his lyrics. I call him a modern day poet. His view is that deep down people know what is right, but sometimes, for whatever reasons, don't make the right choices. Eric is also a very humble guy. Had an awesome short conversation with him, at the last Skull show with Saint Vitus in Dallas. We talked a bit about the old "white metal" thing with Metal Blade Records. Really liked his attitude about it. He basically said he was trying to provide a heavy alternative to all the negative lyrics and imagery. He was not trying to judge or anything, just being real, and writing about deeper things, his thoughts about things happening, and what will happen in this world. Once again, not judging, but if you wanted hate, satan, etc, there were those who would give it to you in music, entertainment, but he was not going to be one of them. Really cool attitude to me, an honor to collaborate with him, and feature selected lyrics of Trouble in my book, along with a few of Victor Griffin of Pentagram/Place of Skulls, Dave Chandler of Saint Vitus, and several other heavy bands. My biggest writing influences are Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. Regarding beliefs, I would say to all the real Christians out there, like you should for everyone, pray for people, for guidance and wisdom, and for those without hope in this wicked world, and don't judge. Every Christian needs to remember, that they once were not ....SG Smith. The book is available from Amazon and Kindle.
Amen
Amen my friend
Awesome
Rest In Peace Eric Wagner.🍺
I've seen this band so many times here in Chicago. Bigger stages and small clubs. Always killer and a big influence. Doom, Christian, whatever. It all Metal.
Trouble and Solitude Aeturnus FTW!
The best drummer ever in the end! William Thomas "Bill" Ward! Rest easy Eric Wagner!
There's something spectacular about the way they get their guitars to sound. Nothing else like it.
DOWN.
True.
R.I.P.Eric,this is my Favorit Band since 1980🤘🎸🤘
Not 20 yet in 87 I remember drumming along this album ( along with King Diamond's stuff) while at college. Still my favorite music and some times I met with some folks to jam this. What a feeling.
EXCELLENT band period... heavy, positive even though they're technically, or often classed as a 'Doom' band etc... loved (still do) all their albums!
Their first 4 albums are actually very depressive, especially this one
@@paravan2000 Hi, I don't find them that way... for me, just great albums, 'especially' 1990's self titled album 'Trouble' which is one of my ALL time favourite albums 😊👍👊
fucking incredible. shame music isn't like this anymore
Even the "worst" of Trouble is still better than today's music
Adam Wagner totally agree
Metal is still fucking fantastic today, however there isn't much doom metal, unfortunately.
@@Brendini27 doom metal is exploding, people are realizing life sucks. So they get harsher music tastes and once again life doesn’t suck.
@@norseman3514 Black metal seems to be exploding again as well. Although, like doom, it's always had a cult following. But, I think more are coming back to it or becoming new fans.
Sad news guys Eric finally did run into the light, I hope his pain is but a memory. R.I.P. Eric
I wish they never split up, such a great band
I still love Trouble and The Skull
I'm 17 again. So glad I bought everything on Metal Blade I found in the backwoods. Great song, album, and band.
Troy Tryclay Same. I discovered them around the same time and then the self-titled album came out. Changed my life
Trouble are quite actually that good one of the best ever love the voice the syncopation and the guitar tone
An old band I've discovered so late. Great music!
hibertansiyar it would not be old band if you would have discovered early ;)
*classic..not old. old bands dont age very well.
Same :(
They are working on new material now.
right
before this,
i heard only Purple, Zeppelin, sabbath , floyd , etc.
I love how Bill cones in and tosses the drummer out and finishes the song. Maybe on their next tour they can invite Bill to guest drum since Sabbath is having a stupid attack about him.
You mean that was Bill Ward?
Yes it absolutely is in the video
Haha! Fuck yeah that's him...good call!
Yes, hopefully Bill can grab Sharon and toss her out a window
Trouble.......such a versatile band.......keep the faith........
I love trouble i got to see them live the following year in 1988. still have all my trouble cassettes, they kick total ass.
MUCH Respect from New Orleans Louisiana..Listen to this s.o. many times with my band members older than me..Turned me on..Way when we are doing Downll and before..On way to studio blasted this on our mixed tape..☆ Stephopal Opal Aka Big Mama ◇ NOLA ~~ music and Peace ♡♡
Master lyricist Eric Wagner R.I.P.
I haven't heard this song since August 1987. I heard it on Z-Rock 93 FM! I picked it up in Sheboygan, Wisconsin from Muskegeon / Grand Rapids, Michigan! I just happened to be thinking of the song in my head and thanks to Google ... !! Love it!
Your not originally from new York state are u?
tlansing18
I'm from Ontario, Canada
Trevor B I didn't know that Z rock had that big of an audience in 87 as I heard this song the same time frame. Plus I had a great old friend whose name was Trevor back when I grew up here in Albany New York
I was scanning the FM band and picked up Z Rock. I didn't know much about it at first but I did find out through the DJ comments that it was simulcast through Hart, Muskegon and Grand Rapids area. I was obviously picking up the signal from across Lake Michigan. since I would be very close to due West from that area of Michigan. It blew my mind the stuff they were playing. Stuff I had to always import (at the time) into Canada :-)
I used to listen to Z- Rock in Grand Rapids Michigan too!!
Got all their records and love each of them. Saw them two times live. Legendary Trouble, live forever!!
Trouble, the one and only!!!
Wow what a blast from the fuckin past between these guys St.Vitus,Fu Manchu,Earthless,& Kyuss well underground mix of metal & hardcore punk fused in one genera yet still timeless amazing records to this day
RIP Eric Wagner singer of Trouble... 📿📿📿
Run to the light, master voice of Doom, Eric Wagner (RIP)
Rip Eric Wagner we all miss you run to the light doom on 2021
Holy crap!! I used to LOVE this band!
one of my all time faves
american christian doom metal =]
One of the greatest bands I've ever heard someone to rated I love everything they've ever done I still listen to everything they played to this day awesome stuff!
Why is this band sooo awesome!? We need more bands like this!!
Angie Sangre we cant. Now we have screaming cross dressing chicks and talentless auto tuned black rappers. That’s it. 🙄
@@SonnyGTA wdym with screaming cross dressing chicks?
R.I.P my friend.... you can DOOM ON now... Respect...
Bible doesn't say that smoking weed is wrong. I'm a christian and if you ask me ganja is god's gift to mankind and brings people closer to his presence.
wow! Christian metal has come a long way since then.
Eric Wagner was TROUBLE's singer on "PSALM 9" as well. CLASSIC album.
Rest In Peace, Eric Wagner. This album got a lot of flack, but I always loved it. It was my first exposure to the band. Also, they. are from Chicago.
if this band would've appeared in the late 70s they would be a lot more popular
They formed in 79 and the first album was out in 82. They got as popular as they ever would be. Also the popularity they have on the internet is not the same popularity they had back in the day. They’re were playing big festivals and touring with big bands all the time back then. They just didn’t translate well to newer times.
@@norseman3514 And were extremely influential to many musicians too. They are definitely a 'musicians-favorite'.
without cheesy christian lyrics they would be more popular. but i don't mind. it's funny
That opening riff is truly epic.
His voice is absolutely mesmerizing. Its like the best elements of Dan MacCaffrey and RobHalford mixed together. Mind blowing.
This brings me back to when you could pick up an album, look at the cover, read the names of the songs on the back and figure out whether or not the band was going to suck or be good 90 percent of the time.
I bought it because it was on Enigma. But yea, totally agree with you!
mestres do doom metal,maravilhoso!
As we affectionately call Trouble here in Chicago -- they are our Black Sabbath. I saw Trouble twice -- the first time was in 1997 when they were touring with Plastic Green Head and again when Ron Holzner was opening with his current band Earthen Grave. Ron got up on stage with Trouble and played. Trouble is our hometown heroes.
White Sabbath!!!!!!! I had all the albums until my lovely neighbor flooded my basement. Brings back killer memories.
No man white sabbath is Led Zeppelin or White Witch
@@coppereagle3830 How is LZ a White Sabbath? They're not even remotely similar.
@@Annihilation_0f_The_Wicked9066 no not at all just the fact their both English rock bands from the 70s
@@coppereagle3830 Ah! In that sense, yes i do agree.
I don`t believe i´m just listening to this band only a few months ago. This music deserves to be listened since.......all your life !fuck! it is so good.
Rest well Eric! 💔
pain is just a memory,,,, yes yessssssss
Eric Wagner, Trouble R.I.P. - 22.08.2021 - Fan from Germany
So sad, great voice
R.I.P. Eric Wagner
If u don't like trouble your in trouble
stevemtc1 touché
stevemtc1 *you’re. As in...you’re SPELLING is in trouble.
Awesome
Eric Wagner is the graveyard poet of the heavy metal vocalists.
I honestly think that the vocals are the best! Very special, tormented-sounding voice.
Christ once said " chill out , head over to Ireland and listen to a bit of heavy rock music " . He further enthused , " I strongly recommend " Deep purple , in rock " , Trouble , the untitled album , Death angel act 3 and slayers south of heaven . Yet he cautioned , " Manowar would be worth a listen to too " . Here endith the lesson !
rest in peace Eric...
Rest In Peace Eric. Just found out. These guys were the pioneers of doom
I was at a beer dinner in new hampshire tonight and I heard that the drummer for this band is now a brewer for allagash brewing company in portland ME
Might be worth the trip!!!
true
www.allagash.com Look, there Oly is under Staff Photos :)
Awesome. Amazing band.
damn it bill ward hits the drums , in the end !!!
maybe the best thing christianity has to offer as far as music goes, especially metal. they made some excellent "doom" albums in the 80's and early 90's, but they were very positive albums, at least the lyrics were. the thrash metal band living sacrifice had an excellent self titled album as well, i would give them a close second.
Trouble members are in a band called The Skull they will be playing Last Concert Café in Houston on Nov 11th. The show in Houston is FREE to attend!!
Damn awesome to pay tribute to Bill Ward that way !!
such simple lyrics but powerful
Rest in peace
Eric Wagner
RIP Eric Wagner. Passed away from Covid...sad
trouble is a great band that doesn't get any credit for being a very good metal band
sadly happens a lot to many bands
Truth.
Saw them with Savatage in 1990, epic show with 2 of the most overlooked bands of the era.
Of course not. They are about Truth and Light, who wants to feel that, being in the darkness? That's what i saw too in my musical life. But know that many more will never speak but in stead be in peace with their Creator. That's why we make music.
Preachy as hell unfortunately....
Classic, classic, classic
RIP Eric Wagner
Eric Wagner drew from the British invasion for his vocal attack as he does have a Robert Plant style attack; the Christians wrote the lyrics in Trouble as Bruce Franklin is the lone Christian in the band. They caught a lot of shit from Christian circles with Bastards Will Pay as Eric wasn't afraid of strong language. I saw them twice once in 1997 and again in 2011. Trouble is a unique heavy metal band that are a strong outfit since their formation as they were game changers in the 1980s -- like Stryper and Bloodgood they drew from The Bible with their early albums as they were accused of being a Christian band.
Robert Sweet with recent bands plays doom metal as I was wondering what got him listening to Doom as it was a stark contrast from his glam metal roots as doom metal got mainstream with Alice In Chains and Soundgarden as they introduced it to alternative metal. Christian themes in heavy metal was an open thing in Chicago as Slauter Estroyes' current lead singer is a devote Christian as some heavy metal bands never got their proper due like Sacred Warrior (as Rey went to church with members of Trouble in the 1980s.) The difference between Stryper and Trouble is Trouble was quite punishing and dark with their delivery as they influenced Down and Corrosion of Conformity with their sludge metal delivery. Chicago in the mid-1980s into the 1990s had two metal movements Trouble and Ministry. When Ministry emerged with their Industrial Metal sound everyone shit their fucking pants including Wax Trax.
Rest in power eric wagner!
This tour in 1987 was terrific, the light and black tour, when Trouble opened for King Diamond....terrific memories from that particular garden.
Sabbath disciples Comes for Trouble, Rotten to the Core but Sill Alive!
If just bands had feeling these days.
One of the greatest bands ever! Long live Eric Wagner!
Amen!
Trouble=Classic Chi-Town Metal!
It's great seeing Barry Stern play drums!
These guys kicked ass, Always dug them... great songs...
Awe😮some doom metal😮out of Chicago
seen them open fr the romones in tampa 1990 great show .\../
R.I.P Eric Wagner 2021 😔🕯️🪦
Maestros de maestros.
R.I.P
I miss u guys
U live on. Always in my memories.
The live footage of this video was filmed at the Basement in Dallas TX. I was there and am in the crowd at about 1:19!
What year was that. I saw them first in 87, at Arcadia. Met them at Underground Records at the signing. Then saw the show right after at the Basement, but that was 90. I can't remember the year when the video was first shown ? Much has happened since then with me, became friends with them, and to make a long story short, my recently published heavy rock infused fantasy novel Sword of Aeteurnia features a few of Eric's lyrics in the story. Also some of Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Solitude Aeturnus, and several more. Available on Amazon, and Kindle....
William Thomas Ward (best drummer ever) at the end!
Bill Ward wasn't even the best drummer in the West Midlands in the 60s and 70s... not with Bonzo around!
Deus abençoe Trouble
Awesome 🇧🇷🔥
Mt bom
For doom Eric Wagner and Bruce Franklin is the same as Dio e Blackmore!
Yes, I remember reading something about this video, a couple centuries ago(ok so it just seems like it), and Bill Ward did make an appearance in this vid.
Incredible song, simply fuckin' amazing!!
ru to the light is the sabbath bloody sabbath of trouble
amazing band back in the day....
Love this band, Cool video. And this song may be my favorite. Fuitar solo is so moving
Pretty original
Good song, brilliant quality.