Great points! I carry a mid size glock 32 for edc and when hiking a full-size glock 31 ,that 31 has no problem hitting things at 200 yards ,357sig is awsome!
I still think lower capacity/ bigger caliber is good for a lot of city applications. If I was drawing from retention (like in a robbery) I would feel great with .357 sig.
Nice setup, I just ordered a shield .40 2.0 with night sights for $297, thinking about making it .357 sig as well but going to enjoy the .40 for a bit. Thanks to you and Chuke for the idea, I would never bought this if not for you guys.
Good video… I love this gun ! I have the exact same shield 2.0 40 but I don’t have a 357 sig barrel… I instead got a 9mm conversion barrel and it works well but I prefer it in 40. The main reason I got this was because it is one of, if not the smallest 40 caliber carry gun you can find. I have no problem at all with the “snappiness” as long as I don’t get into some really hot ammo with it. I also put night sights on mine and I carry it quite often… it’s good to see this gun get some love
As long as I don’t get into some really got ammo.. then wth is the actual point in carry a caliber like this, if you’re not going to shoot stout ammo?? You’re literally shooting 9mm if you’re not running stout ammo.
I can shoot it with hot ammo and keep it loaded with self defense hot ammo but I’m just not going to spend all day at the range shooting hot ammo with it…
@@spnfirearms actually, he is right. 357 Sig can’t be reloading properly in a 40 case. The 357 Sig case is longer than the 40 case but it doesn’t appear so because of the bottle neck. 357 Sig is actually a shorter 10mm case.
I just come across this video.357 Sig is my favorite carry ammo.I carry a Glock 32 Gen 3 during cold weather months.It's an accurate & very flat shooting round.
My concern with the 3.1" barrel isn't with the accuracy. In fact, the shorter barrel probably has the edge when it comes to speed, both of the draw and target acquisition. My concern is that the drop in velocity might reduce the bullet's performance. Chronograph the round. The ballistics may not be that much better than the 400 ft-lbs you'd get from a 9mm +P load, in which case a compact 9mm would serve just as well, and with higher capacity (and cheaper, more available ammo).
I think you just got the conversion barrel to get guys worked up about over penetration! Haha! Interesting idea. Think I’d still lean toward some plus P 9mm or a Shield 45, ammo availability and less expensive to train with. That’s just me though.
It really does pack a wallop. It’s not a bad cartridge to shoot either, loud but not much recoil compared to 180gr .40. Feels like a laser gun. While it shines in full sized duty pistols are extended ranges (that’s why it makes such a good caliber for highway patrol) .357 sig doesn’t lose as much velocity out of a 3” barrel as one might think. While a higher capacity micro 9 shooting light bullets might make a more suitable defensive pistol for the average shooter, .357 sig is especially effective against aggressive big bodied thick skinned critters.
This is very cool. Definitely a good self-defense tool. I would probably just stick with .40 S&W and run some hot ammo. Underwood 155 grain XTP @ 1300 FPS (probably 1200 out of this short barrel) is no joke. It's cheaper to shoot .40 as well.
I have a shield 40. Great gun. Very accurate. I feel well protected with it as it is. The 40 is a pretty hot round already with the right ammo. Even standard 165 gr basic range ammo is good with this gun.
3.1" pistol barrel is the equivalent to a 2" revolver barrel in 357 Magnum. Lighter projectiles accelerate faster and are ideally matched for shorter barrels. Try Underwood Nosler 115gr JHP and their 65 & 90gr Xtreme Defenders you should see 1400-1850fps / 450-550ft-lbs. There's no point in carrying 357 SIG unless you are reaching those one-stop energy thresholds.
One big plus for the 357 sig is it was made (among other things) to give good performance out of a short barrel. With a 5 inch barrel most self defense cartridges will perform great, but out of a 3 inch barrel? Don’t even think about a 45acp or 380 (I wouldn’t even want a 40cal).
Ummm, you don't have any idea what you're talking about. 357 SIG was developed to give equivalent ballistics to a 357 Magnum 125 grain shot from a snubbies, when the SIG is fired from a full size autoloader, i.e. a P226. And it did. But Rep. Barney Frank labeled it a "cop killer round" (who knows why, it was used almost exclusively by LE at the time), and threatened to (illegally) ban it if manufacturers didn't water down the ammo. Yes, 357 SIG is sensational. All calibers will lose velocity from short barrels, but even a 22lr from a 1.5" barrel retains enough velocity to be deadly. A 45acp from a typical 3.5" barrel compact will still provide more than enough ft-lbs to approximate most 9mm higher quality ammo in a 5" barrel. From tests I've seen and done, 357 SIG is maybe one of, if not the best in subcompacts, and 9mm the worst. 9mm ammo, unless you buy the outrageous priced hyperammo, tends to be underpowered/underloaded. If you have a 9mm compact pistol, or subcompact or micro, get some run of the mill ammo, two or three brands. Shoot a box of each from 30-40 yards. My bet is you will see inconsistent performance, a wide variance which isn't just you, and a significantly larger drop than you've been led to believe. In my tests, that starts showing up at about 18 yards, and is clear at 33 yards.
@@keithgraham9547 I guess people today feel they have license to speak disrespectfully to people they know nothing about. 30 years experience with hands on use and testing should at least qualify for an honest opinion which at the end of the day is what we’re all working with. Not to mention quality for a little respect.
@@csu111 Sorry you feel disrespected. I'm sorry when somebody with 30 years experience makes erroneous statements. You're factually wrong and it isn't like these are closely guarded secrets hidden away. If age had anything to do with it, I'll add 25 years to your experience. But it doesn't. Facts are facts.
that little baby is beautiful. probably kicks like a mule. I own an SA -XD spring field 357sig. and I love it. I wouldn't mind getting one of those beauties.
Thanks man, I appreciate that! And it’s actually very manageable, I was very surprised. I love this thing. Runs flawlessly. Respect and thanks for watching
It’s almost perfect… you should’ve got their 3.35” extended and ported 357 Sig barrel. .25” longer barrel, same small package. The ported barrel makes it not even more powerful but more accurate and faster follow up shots.
@@kevinrichardson8859 no because it’s .25” longer and the ports are at the tip of the muzzle not in the middle. Higher velocity and less muzzle flip is your reward.
The Liberty civil defense, don’t get me wrong I own them in 45 acp, but the penetration has always been questionable. My PT145 fires the Liberty civil defense 45 acp 10+1 at 1900 fps out of I think a 5” barrel. I keep seeing those rounds don’t have penetration. If you knick something ok. I like the idea of 357 sig but I’m not sure about the penetration of the Liberty civil defense. Maybe some v crown.
They’re not meant to penetrate deep , they explode on impact to create a big wound . Probably bleed out rather than hit a organ . Especially if you get hit more than once .
I bought one of those cuz I love the idea. The recoil was a bit lighter than .40. I know the power is there. The zero shifted a bit and the reliability just wasn't there
For Glock 19/23 size guns what's your go to for that size for edc ? Just curious ik you like the smaller ones but those models are smallest I can personally go
I converted my Glock 27 from 40 to 357 Sig. How does it compare in size to your Glock 26? Because capacity is greater yet in the Glock, especially with the Pearce + mag extension.
I feel anything over .45 in a micro, even subcompact requires a ton of training for the power to be worth the amount of recoil. Ive been dabbling with 10mm and I couldn't imagine that cartridge in a micro. No way I'd do this in 357 SIG.
Definitely an interesting game. I don't feel that in such a small barrel you get any of the few benefits of the .357 sig and the drawbacks glare especially with how good the modern 9mm bullets are. Pistols are really only going to incapacitate when hitting vital areas and that is definitely shown in the amount of survivors of pistol solutions vs center fire rifles. The extra flash and sound could be argued to help mentally incapacitate. But every moment you're carrying is a great thing, and keep it up. Good content
So get this… the velocity of that 9mm projectile with 357 Sig out of this 3.1” barrel is STILL faster than the same projectile 9mm +P+ out of a 5” barrel. Wrap your head around that.
So the difference between a 124 gr 9mm +P and a 125 gr .357 sig out of a 3" barrel is about 150 fps favoring the 357 sig. Obviously different loads number change the numbers a little up or down with either cartridge. If you really have to have that extra little bit of fps but at the detriment of twice as much flash and a good bit more recoil then that's a trade off you'll have to weigh yourself. Regardless, it's still a little 9mm/.357 size pistol bullet that is just poking holes in the target unlike rifle rounds that actually do damage.
Not sure how you classify the shield as a micro, but I own 37 handguns including all the shields and they IMO are sub compact but not close to micro. Too big, too heavy to ever be considered a micro. I say this so as not to confuse new buyers.
Same size and grain bullet 200+ fps faster...that would be better ? 🤔 or am I missing something..your goal is to stop the threat? 357sig has MORE velocity and ENERGY...energy is "the ability to do work" I'd say 357sig is better🤷♂️ 357sig is a barrier penetration round...it does BETTER at that than practically every common round rivaling 10mm even
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. 357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. 357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
Yes both with proper shot placement...357sig has the necessary penetration with a bonded round...mountain lions aren't that hard to kill as black bears I've hear...lighter body frames and bone mass
So 357 sig makes sense for where you live thick clothes can stop some rounds especially at range if you google Korean War statistics 30 carbine and 45ACP rounds where getting stopped by winter North Korea and Chinese uniforms Now I live in Florida our Winter wear might be your early Spring wear so I can EDC anything I want I 38SP 380ACP 9MM 40SW 45ACP 10MM will be fine now 10mm is my walk in the woods carry 9mm is my edc but sometimes I being 38 380 Now 357 is bad for Florida because it’s to fast it goes through walls
9mm goes through walls almost as well as 357 Sig but 357 Sig doesn’t penetrate any deeper than 9mm in flesh but does much more damage increasing the chance of one shot stop.
No its not the Glock 33 is smaller AND more powerful than Glock 30...the Glock 30 slings larger marbles...BUT it's not more powerful than a Glock 33 or a Glock 29 ...sorry
put a laser sight on it. 5:56 hahah homeboi can have a switch, wearing body armor cancels that out because homeboi still can't aim well enough to hit you in the face
Overpenetration, through the threat, with handgun cartridges is a non-factor. There are zero instances of a round being fired from a handgun through the threat and injuring another person. There are examples of handgun rounds going through building materials and vehicles and hitting innocent by-standers but those are not overpenetration per se, they are misses. As long as you are aware of your target and what is behind it, overpenetration is a non-factor. I would also add that exsanguination is the primary incapacitating factor in handgun wounds. Bleeding from two holes is faster than one.
As someone who lives in an apartment, overpenetration is a make or break factor for me in home defense. Even my Ruger PC Carbine can a similar velocity of .357 magnum, which can easily overpenetrate into the next 1-2 rooms. That's why it's my hiking/range gun until I save up for a house.
@@dillonc7955 yup, I also live in an apartment so over penetration is a constant thought when it comes to home defense. In my opinion I believe 45 acp is the best for home defense because it's such a slow round you dont need to worry about over penetration (as much), yet it's also a proven man stopper round
@@dillonc7955 Any round that is not capable of passing through drywall or lumber, won't make a lethal wound on a human. The use of the term overpenetration to describe shooting through walls is a misnomer. Missing the target is dangerous no doubt, but that is not overpenetration
So get this… the velocity of that 9mm projectile with 357 Sig out of this 3.1” barrel is STILL faster than the same projectile 9mm +P+ out of a 5” barrel. Wrap your head around that.
Don’t ever publish a firearms video, especially one making bold claims, without at least showing some brief firing footage. That’s what 90% of your viewers were expecting.
There's enough cartridge reviews on UA-cam. Personally, I think Paul Harrel has the best ones. There not much point in just replicating those. Just post a link.
Nah, you ain’t burning all that bottlenecked powder in a 3” barrel. Shoulda stayed with a 40 and fired 135 gr. 40 cal barrel has greater volume and burns more powder, which you need with 3”. Shortest barrel to mess with in 357 is a Glock 33 polygonal. 135s in 40 outshine 125 gr sigs from 3” barrel.
135 40s don't outshine 357sig in penetration in ANY barrel length but agree on the Glock 33..I have both the shield 40 with 357sig conversion and the Glock 33
135s will do 1400 fps in a 3” barrel from a 40, safely. Bigger diameter and 10gr heavier. I cannot get 1400 fps from my Glock 33 with a 135 gr bullet. I can get 1440,safely, with a 125 gr. In a glock 33, which also has a longer barrel
Did this exact same thing. It's an incredible little carry package. The 357sig is an awesome cartridge.
Keep the .357 sig alive brotha
Great points! I carry a mid size glock 32 for edc and when hiking a full-size glock 31 ,that 31 has no problem hitting things at 200 yards ,357sig is awsome!
I still think lower capacity/ bigger caliber is good for a lot of city applications. If I was drawing from retention (like in a robbery) I would feel great with .357 sig.
Yes agreed! And it’s perfect for my career!
love the oldschool runescape pfp 😎
@@spnfirearmswhat do think about the glock 33 in 357 sig?
What about your eardrums in a car? Which is louder? 9mm or .357?
@@cmhill0303I have a 27 and converted to 33 and love it. Easy to shoot.
Your content is drastically underrated. I love what you’re doing here, keep it up
Nice setup, I just ordered a shield .40 2.0 with night sights for $297, thinking about making it .357 sig as well but going to enjoy the .40 for a bit. Thanks to you and Chuke for the idea, I would never bought this if not for you guys.
Good video… I love this gun ! I have the exact same shield 2.0 40 but I don’t have a 357 sig barrel… I instead got a 9mm conversion barrel and it works well but I prefer it in 40. The main reason I got this was because it is one of, if not the smallest 40 caliber carry gun you can find. I have no problem at all with the “snappiness” as long as I don’t get into some really hot ammo with it. I also put night sights on mine and I carry it quite often… it’s good to see this gun get some love
As long as I don’t get into some really got ammo.. then wth is the actual point in carry a caliber like this, if you’re not going to shoot stout ammo?? You’re literally shooting 9mm if you’re not running stout ammo.
I can shoot it with hot ammo and keep it loaded with self defense hot ammo but I’m just not going to spend all day at the range shooting hot ammo with it…
.357 sig shells are longer than .40 s&w. I’m pretty sure it’s a 10mm case necked down to a 9mm bullet 🎉
No sir, no it is not.
@@spnfirearms actually, he is right. 357 Sig can’t be reloading properly in a 40 case. The 357 Sig case is longer than the 40 case but it doesn’t appear so because of the bottle neck. 357 Sig is actually a shorter 10mm case.
@@spnfirearms you are incorrect sir.
I just come across this video.357 Sig is my favorite carry ammo.I carry a Glock 32 Gen 3 during cold weather months.It's an accurate & very flat shooting round.
Big fan of .357SIG-- I carry my Glock 32 every day! Also I suppose I'm one of your YT Premium viewers. Just can't stand the ads! Love the content man
Great video and choice in converting to 357 sig. Can't go wrong with more ballistic power 💪
Great review. Gonna have to check one out. Never shot 357 Sig.
My concern with the 3.1" barrel isn't with the accuracy. In fact, the shorter barrel probably has the edge when it comes to speed, both of the draw and target acquisition. My concern is that the drop in velocity might reduce the bullet's performance. Chronograph the round. The ballistics may not be that much better than the 400 ft-lbs you'd get from a 9mm +P load, in which case a compact 9mm would serve just as well, and with higher capacity (and cheaper, more available ammo).
the ballistics blow +p out of the water
You're NOT getting 400 ft/lbs out of a 3.1 inch barrel 9mm PERIOD!!!! 9mm is no comparison to 357sig!
I think you just got the conversion barrel to get guys worked up about over penetration! Haha! Interesting idea. Think I’d still lean toward some plus P 9mm or a Shield 45, ammo availability and less expensive to train with. That’s just me though.
So he has a 9mm barrel available to train and can carry 357 Sig to stop with less rounds.
It really does pack a wallop. It’s not a bad cartridge to shoot either, loud but not much recoil compared to 180gr .40. Feels like a laser gun. While it shines in full sized duty pistols are extended ranges (that’s why it makes such a good caliber for highway patrol) .357 sig doesn’t lose as much velocity out of a 3” barrel as one might think.
While a higher capacity micro 9 shooting light bullets might make a more suitable defensive pistol for the average shooter, .357 sig is especially effective against aggressive big bodied thick skinned critters.
It does not feel like a laser gun. I have one and shoot it once a month.
If you like that, you would LOVE ❤a P239-357sig
I carry Glock 26, 19 mag with x grip IWB. Glock 42 in the pocket. Great Video, I enjoyed it!
This is very cool. Definitely a good self-defense tool. I would probably just stick with .40 S&W and run some hot ammo. Underwood 155 grain XTP @ 1300 FPS (probably 1200 out of this short barrel) is no joke. It's cheaper to shoot .40 as well.
Underwood 155 will NOT reach 1200 fps out of a 3.1 inch shield...however Underwood 357sig 125 grain WILL do 1300+ fps out of the shield 3.1!!!
I have a shield 40. Great gun. Very accurate. I feel well protected with it as it is. The 40 is a pretty hot round already with the right ammo. Even standard 165 gr basic range ammo is good with this gun.
3.1" pistol barrel is the equivalent to a 2" revolver barrel in 357 Magnum. Lighter projectiles accelerate faster and are ideally matched for shorter barrels. Try Underwood Nosler 115gr JHP and their 65 & 90gr Xtreme Defenders you should see 1400-1850fps / 450-550ft-lbs. There's no point in carrying 357 SIG unless you are reaching those one-stop energy thresholds.
Yes 357 Sig is the best all around pistol round in my opinion
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Excellent gun, great video! Thanks
One big plus for the 357 sig is it was made (among other things) to give good performance out of a short barrel. With a 5 inch barrel most self defense cartridges will perform great, but out of a 3 inch barrel? Don’t even think about a 45acp or 380 (I wouldn’t even want a 40cal).
Ummm, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
357 SIG was developed to give equivalent ballistics to a 357 Magnum 125 grain shot from a snubbies, when the SIG is fired from a full size autoloader, i.e. a P226.
And it did. But Rep. Barney Frank labeled it a "cop killer round" (who knows why, it was used almost exclusively by LE at the time), and threatened to (illegally) ban it if manufacturers didn't water down the ammo.
Yes, 357 SIG is sensational.
All calibers will lose velocity from short barrels, but even a 22lr from a 1.5" barrel retains enough velocity to be deadly.
A 45acp from a typical 3.5" barrel compact will still provide more than enough ft-lbs to approximate most 9mm higher quality ammo in a 5" barrel.
From tests I've seen and done, 357 SIG is maybe one of, if not the best in subcompacts, and 9mm the worst. 9mm ammo, unless you buy the outrageous priced hyperammo, tends to be underpowered/underloaded.
If you have a 9mm compact pistol, or subcompact or micro, get some run of the mill ammo, two or three brands. Shoot a box of each from 30-40 yards.
My bet is you will see inconsistent performance, a wide variance which isn't just you, and a significantly larger drop than you've been led to believe.
In my tests, that starts showing up at about 18 yards, and is clear at 33 yards.
@@keithgraham9547 I guess people today feel they have license to speak disrespectfully to people they know nothing about. 30 years experience with hands on use and testing should at least qualify for an honest opinion which at the end of the day is what we’re all working with. Not to mention quality for a little respect.
@@csu111 Sorry you feel disrespected. I'm sorry when somebody with 30 years experience makes erroneous statements.
You're factually wrong and it isn't like these are closely guarded secrets hidden away. If age had anything to do with it, I'll add 25 years to your experience. But it doesn't. Facts are facts.
Glock 29 is almost the size of the Glock 19 and is 1/8" thicker than the 19 too. It's not a subcompact, even if Glock calls it that.
I love the channel bro. Your putting a lot of quality content out daily. Underrated.
Your seriously having me looking for this gun
I still love my 26. I either carry that or my 43
M&P shield plus 9mm for me. I'm going to check this out
Man you always talkin about the 357 sig conversion. Lol 😂 jk. I love your vids bro. Your my go to channel
I daily carry a gen 5 Glock 26 with a slr plus 5 and a 19x back up mag with critical duty
Generally carry a g23 in 357 Sig as well. Good choice my man!
I think a 3d printed trigger on this setup in Nylon would be the move.
Have you actually tested fps of 50gr civil defense (2300fps) from this 3.1 inch barrel? Do you think it goes 2200?
that little baby is beautiful. probably kicks like a mule. I own an SA -XD spring field 357sig. and I love it. I wouldn't mind getting one of those beauties.
Thanks man, I appreciate that! And it’s actually very manageable, I was very surprised. I love this thing. Runs flawlessly. Respect and thanks for watching
I think I will convert mine thanks. I picked it from the CA Handgun Roster a few years ago.
It’s almost perfect… you should’ve got their 3.35” extended and ported 357 Sig barrel. .25” longer barrel, same small package. The ported barrel makes it not even more powerful but more accurate and faster follow up shots.
The ported barrel actually reduces velocities and makes it less powerful!
@@kevinrichardson8859 no because it’s .25” longer and the ports are at the tip of the muzzle not in the middle. Higher velocity and less muzzle flip is your reward.
The Liberty civil defense, don’t get me wrong I own them in 45 acp, but the penetration has always been questionable. My PT145 fires the Liberty civil defense 45 acp 10+1 at 1900 fps out of I think a 5” barrel. I keep seeing those rounds don’t have penetration. If you knick something ok.
I like the idea of 357 sig but I’m not sure about the penetration of the Liberty civil defense. Maybe some v crown.
They’re not meant to penetrate deep , they explode on impact to create a big wound . Probably bleed out rather than hit a organ . Especially if you get hit more than once .
@@noahcarter1056I would rather you switch to 357 Sig Underwood Xtreme defender 90gr or 115gr for guaranteed stopping power.
Thanks for the video 👍 just order my 357 sig barrel for my shield 40 👍👍
Basically a 9mm ++p
will this conversion work with OEM Shield .40 m2.0 magazines? or are there required mods to the mags as well?
I bought one of those cuz I love the idea. The recoil was a bit lighter than .40. I know the power is there. The zero shifted a bit and the reliability just wasn't there
What do you mean the reliability wasn't there?? Were you having malfunctions
The 3.35” extended and ported TR-Enabling barrel solves all that. Less recoil, extremely accurate.
I have a G23 Gen4 with a KKM 357Sig conversion bbl and my FNS-40 has an EFK Firedragon 357Sig conversion bbl ..
How does your G23 run with the kkm 357sig barrel? Recoil..accuracy..reliability? What mags do you use? 32 or 23?
For Glock 19/23 size guns what's your go to for that size for edc ? Just curious ik you like the smaller ones but those models are smallest I can personally go
You can’t go wrong with the M&P 2.0 3.6”. Had mine for years and its replaced my glocks for EDC mostly.
I converted my Glock 27 from 40 to 357 Sig. How does it compare in size to your Glock 26? Because capacity is greater yet in the Glock, especially with the Pearce + mag extension.
I like this. Perfect for self defense.
I feel anything over .45 in a micro, even subcompact requires a ton of training for the power to be worth the amount of recoil. Ive been dabbling with 10mm and I couldn't imagine that cartridge in a micro. No way I'd do this in 357 SIG.
Try it, you’ll like it
It would be even cooler with an extended barrel.
Yes I have this same set up but with the 3.35” extended and ported barrel for the ultimate set up.
I appreciate this video thank you!
A + 3 mag extention is available?
Looks very good.
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Definitely an interesting game. I don't feel that in such a small barrel you get any of the few benefits of the .357 sig and the drawbacks glare especially with how good the modern 9mm bullets are. Pistols are really only going to incapacitate when hitting vital areas and that is definitely shown in the amount of survivors of pistol solutions vs center fire rifles. The extra flash and sound could be argued to help mentally incapacitate. But every moment you're carrying is a great thing, and keep it up. Good content
So get this… the velocity of that 9mm projectile with 357 Sig out of this 3.1” barrel is STILL faster than the same projectile 9mm +P+ out of a 5” barrel. Wrap your head around that.
So the difference between a 124 gr 9mm +P and a 125 gr .357 sig out of a 3" barrel is about 150 fps favoring the 357 sig. Obviously different loads number change the numbers a little up or down with either cartridge. If you really have to have that extra little bit of fps but at the detriment of twice as much flash and a good bit more recoil then that's a trade off you'll have to weigh yourself. Regardless, it's still a little 9mm/.357 size pistol bullet that is just poking holes in the target unlike rifle rounds that actually do damage.
@@JNOSNOW 150 FPS is more on the low end but even still that 150 fps is a grand difference on target.
A 9mm coming out of a barrel going 2300fps i like the sound of that
I love mine but it is definitely snappy
Might I suggest the 3.35” extended and ported 357 Sig barrel.
Glock 29 man. Whassa matta wit u???
Haha yup here we go.. haha
Ok what barrel did you get? Maggots for 40 shield and what baseplates? Love that setup! Want it!
HI, any chance for a Beretta APX review plz?
Still waiting for the VPSK!!! Great vids
I have that one but in the original.40sw & carry the 43x
To work with you?
@spnfirearms p365 43x or the .40 shield & when I have smaller pockets the lcp max!
As long as you can do the Elisjsha Dicken drill with it (8/10 @ 40 yards in 15 seconds) 😉
I’m sure I could get close. Or do better than 99% people with to
You hit em once with. 357 Sig, its over. Fights done.
I always have my sig sauer p229 40 cal or I will rotate to my m/p shield 40cal. I enjoy your video.. what is your occupation
It not about how many bullets or caliber sizes. You have to hit the target first.
I edc a g26 slr rifle work baseplate 15+1 I think I want my next cop to be fn reflex it just look so good
Not sure how you classify the shield as a micro, but I own 37 handguns including all the shields and they IMO are sub compact but not close to micro. Too big, too heavy to ever be considered a micro. I say this so as not to confuse new buyers.
What's the name of the base plate for the magazine? And where can I find it?
What base plate are you running?
Great carry pistol
Wait so can anyone just buy this gun or do we have to convert or add something to get this build ?
I would like to see fact on the 357 sig is actually a better round than 9mm
Same size and grain bullet 200+ fps faster...that would be better ? 🤔 or am I missing something..your goal is to stop the threat? 357sig has MORE velocity and ENERGY...energy is "the ability to do work" I'd say 357sig is better🤷♂️ 357sig is a barrier penetration round...it does BETTER at that than practically every common round rivaling 10mm even
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
We’re so I get the conversion barrel ? And do I have to change the magazines ? For 356
Do you use a different clip for 357 or the regular clip
The regular .40!
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
Sorry, but the Bond Arms Cyclops 45-70 is the most powerful pocket pistol.
Where did you get the 357 barrel?
Google TR Enabling 357sig shield conversion barrel...or Remsport
I got premium my guy. I watched them all.
Thank you for sharing, G4G19 🇯🇲
Would a .357 be powerful enough to kill a black or brown bear? Or a mountain lion?
Yes both with proper shot placement...357sig has the necessary penetration with a bonded round...mountain lions aren't that hard to kill as black bears I've hear...lighter body frames and bone mass
I want to do this with a shield 1.0 (CA) What barrel, spring, and mags are you running with this setup?
Remsport .40-.357 Sig. Barrel with magguts kit in the oem .40 mags. Runs flawlessly
So 357 sig makes sense for where you live thick clothes can stop some rounds especially at range if you google Korean War statistics
30 carbine and 45ACP rounds where getting stopped by winter North Korea and Chinese uniforms
Now I live in Florida our Winter wear might be your early Spring wear so I can EDC anything I want I 38SP 380ACP 9MM 40SW 45ACP 10MM will be fine now 10mm is my walk in the woods carry 9mm is my edc but sometimes I being 38 380
Now 357 is bad for Florida because it’s to fast it goes through walls
9mm goes through walls almost as well as 357 Sig but 357 Sig doesn’t penetrate any deeper than 9mm in flesh but does much more damage increasing the chance of one shot stop.
G3c 40cal is killing the g26 so I get you 4:16
Any thoughts ob the 45 version of the same piece?
The 357 is an awesome round not saying you should change your setup at all
40 Smith & Breaker
Glock 33.
This is smaller than the 33 and lighter! But love my 33!! Respect
AYOOO
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Dude Clock 30 is your minimum sz and maximum power!
No its not the Glock 33 is smaller AND more powerful than Glock 30...the Glock 30 slings larger marbles...BUT it's not more powerful than a Glock 33 or a Glock 29 ...sorry
Hide a lil 22 in my dreads on god 💯
put a laser sight on it. 5:56 hahah homeboi can have a switch, wearing body armor cancels that out because homeboi still can't aim well enough to hit you in the face
Problem with 357 sig is over penetration. (Regardless of what seasonal clothes your threat might be wearing)
Overpenetration, through the threat, with handgun cartridges is a non-factor. There are zero instances of a round being fired from a handgun through the threat and injuring another person.
There are examples of handgun rounds going through building materials and vehicles and hitting innocent by-standers but those are not overpenetration per se, they are misses. As long as you are aware of your target and what is behind it, overpenetration is a non-factor.
I would also add that exsanguination is the primary incapacitating factor in handgun wounds. Bleeding from two holes is faster than one.
As someone who lives in an apartment, overpenetration is a make or break factor for me in home defense. Even my Ruger PC Carbine can a similar velocity of .357 magnum, which can easily overpenetrate into the next 1-2 rooms. That's why it's my hiking/range gun until I save up for a house.
@@dillonc7955 yup, I also live in an apartment so over penetration is a constant thought when it comes to home defense. In my opinion I believe 45 acp is the best for home defense because it's such a slow round you dont need to worry about over penetration (as much), yet it's also a proven man stopper round
@@dillonc7955 Any round that is not capable of passing through drywall or lumber, won't make a lethal wound on a human.
The use of the term overpenetration to describe shooting through walls is a misnomer. Missing the target is dangerous no doubt, but that is not overpenetration
Over penetration is key!! What are you "non-penetrators" going to do when a suspect attempts to run you over in a parking lot?
Bro, it is a (10) mm bottlenecked down.
No it’s not. It’s a 9mm with a .40 style casing. You are thinking of 9x25 Dillion. I do this for a living.
Maybe you might want to think about a new job. Ijs
Only problem is the barrel being to short. You need at least 4'' to reach velocities close to 357magnum. Now you get 9mm +p with the flame thrower.
So get this… the velocity of that 9mm projectile with 357 Sig out of this 3.1” barrel is STILL faster than the same projectile 9mm +P+ out of a 5” barrel. Wrap your head around that.
Or, you could just buy a Glock 33...
Don’t ever publish a firearms video, especially one making bold claims, without at least showing some brief firing footage. That’s what 90% of your viewers were expecting.
How do you know what 90 percent of people are thinking. You clairvoyant? 😂
speak for yourself nerd
Not me
Shut up talking bout 90% LLS
There's enough cartridge reviews on UA-cam. Personally, I think Paul Harrel has the best ones. There not much point in just replicating those. Just post a link.
all that talking just to not show us how it shoots
Lmao the videos are on the channel. Not very hard to find. This is a tabletop.
Nah, you ain’t burning all that bottlenecked powder in a 3” barrel. Shoulda stayed with a 40 and fired 135 gr. 40 cal barrel has greater volume and burns more powder, which you need with 3”. Shortest barrel to mess with in 357 is a Glock 33 polygonal. 135s in 40 outshine 125 gr sigs from 3” barrel.
135 40s don't outshine 357sig in penetration in ANY barrel length but agree on the Glock 33..I have both the shield 40 with 357sig conversion and the Glock 33
Sorry to be the one to tell you this but 135gr 40 S&W has nothing on 125gr 357 Sig out of this 3.1” barrel.
135s will do 1400 fps in a 3” barrel from a 40, safely. Bigger diameter and 10gr heavier. I cannot get 1400 fps from my Glock 33 with a 135 gr bullet. I can get 1440,safely, with a 125 gr. In a glock 33, which also has a longer barrel
Hows the recoil?
He literally talked about the recoil in the middle of the video.😂😂