A quirky plywood rocket with sawn-off scow bow - can the Ace 30 disrupt the IRC racing scene?

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  • @andrewbeale2585
    @andrewbeale2585 2 роки тому +21

    Thank you Toby,
    I love it how the French are constantly pushing at the boundaries of yacht design,
    We British used to be the ones doing all the innovation after the war, and of course there are many pram/scow dinghy classes like Cadets, Mirrors, Miracles, Fireballs, Poole ABs, Scamps, etc.
    But it is the brilliant French designers on the west coast who are leading the world now, and you are absolutely right to be featuring their designs so much these days in Yachting World

    • @yachtingworld
      @yachtingworld  2 роки тому

      Thanks Andrew!

    • @rouslant
      @rouslant 5 місяців тому

      Considering the quality of british food and the legendary beauty of your girls, there's no mystery why brits became the best sailors in the world.
      But nowadays, things are evolving fast, and as more and more random stuff and strange religions are entering our french territory, the call for the sea is rising fast.

  • @basicinfoplaybook
    @basicinfoplaybook 2 роки тому +13

    Multi-Million dollar yachts or unique non traditional designs - You can always count on Toby to bring a classy presentation. Love the variety - Thanks Toby!

  • @tms1624
    @tms1624 2 роки тому +6

    Is it comfortable or does it slam a lot? Toby, I think you should add some accelerometers to your toolkit and give us some numerical insights into how comfort or not the ride on the different boats is when there is a seaway.

  • @Wild1Banana
    @Wild1Banana Рік тому +3

    The Ace 30 is one superb looking scow sail boat I cannot remember ever seeing such a brilliant engineered Boat and want to monitor its racing progress and owner designer comments on this one squared away vessel of fun.

  • @Grantly
    @Grantly 2 роки тому +7

    Should be called the Narwhal IMO. Cool boat.

  • @stephen8086
    @stephen8086 2 роки тому +4

    A lot of fun downwind, how did she perform close hauled?

  • @pgpinto2000
    @pgpinto2000 2 роки тому +7

    Awesome, would like to see a sea trial under 25kt wind. I await for that. Congratulations to the designer

    • @team3383
      @team3383 2 роки тому

      Unfortunately it's still 700kgs (1400lbs) too heavy compared with a similar concept designed 50 years ago where I live albeit with a carbon rig...
      Same boat made in cold molded wood with say 500kgs less would interest me greatly simply for the available space inside, but otherwise too heavy as it stands today. Pity.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 2 роки тому

      @D R Depends on how you use it. It's far stronger if properly used and is usually lighter also. But you are correct.

  • @MrBluebeard3
    @MrBluebeard3 2 роки тому +16

    Love it! Great to see guys like Antoine try new things, if it wasn't for people like him, we'd all still be living in caves. Go it, the bow came off one of those Dutch sailing barges.

    • @absolutwater
      @absolutwater 2 роки тому +1

      Lemsteraak or a Skûtsje you mean?

    • @MrBluebeard3
      @MrBluebeard3 2 роки тому +4

      @@absolutwater Yep,yep! Those lovely boats, with the leeboards on the side and the curved gaff on the mainsail.

    • @d.j.vanderschoot3717
      @d.j.vanderschoot3717 2 роки тому +5

      @@MrBluebeard3 You mean a schouw. Which cannot be coincidental that it's also used in English as 'scow'.
      Same basic design parameters; cheap to build out of flat (steel) plates.

    • @MrBluebeard3
      @MrBluebeard3 2 роки тому +2

      @@d.j.vanderschoot3717 Thanks DJ, I'm learning s lot tonight, I just remember thinking there were some cool looking traditional boats in Holland, cheers.

  • @AntoineMainfray
    @AntoineMainfray 2 роки тому +4

    Nice video Toby ! It was a pleasure to sail with you for the EYOTY !
    The IRC TCC is 1.001, by the way ;-)

  • @vorda400
    @vorda400 2 роки тому +2

    An interesting and fun boat
    But I had a good laugh when I saw that monitor stand, that pressed board on which the monitor is mounted looks very modern

  • @jeremycox8261
    @jeremycox8261 2 роки тому +2

    Reminds me of the yachting world diamond from the 1960s. I have one and I absolutely loved it.

  • @benoitlaine1131
    @benoitlaine1131 Рік тому +1

    Very nice flat water vid. How does it perform in my sailing place's usual nasty/short chop ?

  • @antonomaseapophasis5142
    @antonomaseapophasis5142 2 роки тому +2

    Realistic setup.
    Unlike boats with a nav desk you can't sit at, which serves only one tack, they have a standby watch seat for both tacks which functions also as a navigator station.
    The only problem being that someone will eventually grab the nav station arm for support and take down the whole thing.

  • @davidwarnes5158
    @davidwarnes5158 2 роки тому +2

    What's it like in a east coast short sharp chop?

  • @colibrisurf1050
    @colibrisurf1050 2 роки тому +2

    And the trimmer smoking, bravo!

    • @WeAndTheSea
      @WeAndTheSea 2 роки тому +2

      Why is it always the guys in Wellies and shorts that smoke 😂 edit: and they’re probably also the foredecker

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 2 роки тому +28

    Reminds me of a fireball dinghy

    • @roncooper6302
      @roncooper6302 2 роки тому +6

      The Fireball dinghy designed by Peter Milne who went onto designing the Salty Dog a very fast 27ft cruiser. I bought number 1 and became very good friends with Peter.

    • @m__r1100
      @m__r1100 2 роки тому +5

      Came here to say the same

    • @rosewood1
      @rosewood1 2 роки тому +2

      Yes but my Cedar Mahogany and silver Ash Fireball looked beautiful and was stunningly fast. A really nice dinghy to sail.

    • @roncooper6302
      @roncooper6302 2 роки тому

      @@rosewood1 Am I correct in saying the Fireball was an Olympic Class dinghy?

    • @roythompson6137
      @roythompson6137 2 роки тому +1

      ​@@roncooper6302 Flying Dutchman yes (like a big Fireball 😂) , don't think the Fireball ever got there..

  • @Ladybirdsin16mm
    @Ladybirdsin16mm 2 роки тому +3

    if its a short hand racer, hows it going to perform in a rough upwind passage? Would like to see

  • @patrick35400
    @patrick35400 2 роки тому +2

    Hi Toby, waiting for your tests on Rapido's. Cheers

  • @AgneDei
    @AgneDei 2 роки тому +4

    Is the sound only in one channel?

  • @MrHalalk
    @MrHalalk 2 роки тому +1

    I guess it is a type of design where the waterlines of the tilting hull while sailing to the wind remain similar to the waterlines with the ship flat on the water. Especially the keel should remain parallel to the waterlines. Ships that have a classic bow and (very) wide transom tend to advance sideways regarding their waterlines while tilting. The form of the hull under water can rotate several degrees in relation to the keel. There is for me no doubt that those designs are far more efficient than the classic Sun Fast types.

  • @stevefink6000
    @stevefink6000 2 роки тому +1

    I used to have a hard chine Thunderbird classic racer, and I miss it. This looks like some sort of sci fi version of it. The famous Ragtime transpac sled was a stretched thunderbird, and it hauled ass in its day. My TBird was pretty stable and balanced as well, not sure if the hard chines had anything to do with it.

    • @number1genoa
      @number1genoa 4 місяці тому

      Ragtime was designed by NZ designer John Spencer who had had a thing for somewhat narrow hard chined plywood hulls, they tended to be rocket ships off the wind but not so good to windward.

  • @mini696
    @mini696 2 роки тому +1

    My left ear loved this.

  • @WillN2Go1
    @WillN2Go1 2 роки тому

    Reminds me of the first kayak I made. Similar shape. At a big kayak dealer event the guy with the company that had the most kayaks that day told me that in a canoe he could beat any kayak 'here today.' He told me that canoes skim, kayaks displace. My first kayak was a Great Auk design 17.5' x 23" beam. I think it was a skimmer. I consistently averaged 4.3 knots over 3-4 hour paddles. (I was only 50 at the time. Santa Monica Bay so not rough. Usually almost no wind.) So one of Tony's first comments "skims," I think is spot on. Since that first G.Auk I've built two other kayaks (both extremely narrow and long 18' and 19', beams 17.5" and 16") and have a commercially made kayak 19' - I've never been anywhere near 4 knots for more than a few minutes. I think some of the newer designs, like the Beneteaus may also be skimmers. And caveat, I'm no expert, I'll humbly defer to being set straight. Looks like a fun boat.

  • @jaaps7088
    @jaaps7088 2 роки тому +2

    This is a 'schouw'. Very common classic boattype in the Netherlands

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek 2 роки тому +1

    I want to learn more about this boat! The hull/bottom looks very much like my school design, Although mine was all motor. Since then I've wanted to re-do it as blue water capable sail boat. It had drag coefficiency of 0.7, so turning it to sailer, it would be very close to this.

  • @7times7seas
    @7times7seas Рік тому +2

    Beautiful! Amazing!

  • @micheldupont4905
    @micheldupont4905 2 роки тому +2

    looks really nice.... just a note your sound is backwards
    meaning left and right are reversed

  • @carryonsailing
    @carryonsailing 2 роки тому +2

    Hi Toby, hope you are well and enjoying life. You'll be terrorised with comments about this no doubt, when you export the project, go to settings and export with Mono audio.

  • @williammuseler5542
    @williammuseler5542 11 місяців тому

    How does it go to weather in a good chop? Slamming? Wet?

  • @J.Smith-rc6wh
    @J.Smith-rc6wh 2 роки тому +1

    we keep seeing the scow shaped boats in flat water, can we see what they do in waves , both swell and chop, still trying to get my head around it

  • @williamwightman8409
    @williamwightman8409 Місяць тому

    Actually reminds me of a snub nose Snipe (two-person 351 pounds) with the hard chine and with a little wind starts pushing up onto a plane. What it really looks like is a wide beam Star with a snub nose and a more practical rig.

  • @roncooper6302
    @roncooper6302 2 роки тому +1

    I predict the next development will be 'X' bow that you see on tugs. Not pretty but it will provide a great deal of room in the forepeak.

  • @leneanderthalien
    @leneanderthalien 5 місяців тому

    i'm very interrested by the Scow design, but all videos i see are in very calm sea whith very small waves and downwind sailing, what about rough sea and upwind sailing?

  • @wilfdarr
    @wilfdarr 2 роки тому +2

    I'm looking at this from a budget view:
    You've just saved 2m off dock/yard fees by cutting off the part off the boat that doesn't have any internal volume...
    It's ugly but I like it!

  • @Andy-gb4yr
    @Andy-gb4yr Рік тому

    Wow, 👏👏👏 I love it, 14 apparent 10 knots

  • @ohnezuckerohnefett
    @ohnezuckerohnefett 2 роки тому +1

    It's a good video, nice boat. Audio is sometimes mono ;)

  • @frankrusselldesign7563
    @frankrusselldesign7563 2 роки тому

    Does it go upwind or just downwind?

  • @timelwell7002
    @timelwell7002 2 роки тому

    Looks to be a really fun boat. Is there a head, I wonder?

  • @ff6173
    @ff6173 Рік тому

    Are plans available?

  • @ajnasreddin
    @ajnasreddin 2 роки тому +2

    I can't imagine but that blunt bow works as a break in other-than-ideal conditions.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 2 роки тому +1

      Ever seen an Optimist' sailing in rough seas ?

    • @ajnasreddin
      @ajnasreddin 2 роки тому

      @@team3383 I did see a video once of one getting swamped and sinking.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 2 роки тому +1

      @@ajnasreddin One; once ... Are you aware of how many optimists there are sailing worldwide ? LOL.
      Wake up mate.
      We are living the 21st century.
      Have a look at modern boat design and get up to date on it.
      If you think this design is a brake in anything else than ideal conditions then stay clear and let us people who recognise the advantages of it show you how seaworthy and how much efficiant and faster (and actually safer) than traditional bow design.

    • @ajnasreddin
      @ajnasreddin 2 роки тому

      @@team3383 Modern boat design, eh? Yeah, I've heard of a number of keels snapping off with modern boat design.
      This boat is probably nice when surfing, but I wonder how modern design will fair when caught in bad conditions.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 2 роки тому

      @@ajnasreddin Dude. I understood you the first time around.
      There comes a time when clipper ships and yachts with keels the length of the waterline are history.
      Nice to look at and sail on on a fair day; but history.
      Modern designs are far more reliable, efficient and safe.
      Even the foils are sailing around the world and I don't mean the AC race horses with assymetrical sails.
      Step into the 21st century and have a look mate.
      I like a classic yacht like anyone. They're nice at the helm but nicer in photos. Cheers.

  • @alexd7466
    @alexd7466 2 роки тому

    nice boat, that the rudders and tiller look cheap and looks like it could break any moment.

  • @joeordinary209
    @joeordinary209 2 роки тому +1

    Think this hull would be very economical with engines!

  • @PaulHarris-sl1ct
    @PaulHarris-sl1ct 9 місяців тому

    I have a 1969 26ft international folkboat (IF). With the Spinnaker in 14kn and flat sea it goes 7.5kn.

  • @55tutube
    @55tutube 2 роки тому +1

    Beautiful Racer…

  • @gregknipe8772
    @gregknipe8772 Рік тому +1

    show the beating upwind in an actual sea. a bathtub looks good down wind on a flat sea.

  • @stephenreardon2205
    @stephenreardon2205 2 роки тому +1

    Ashtrays?

  • @pironiero
    @pironiero 8 місяців тому +1

    300k on the water, that's a lot of money for a splinter, it's not a bad boat but it needs to be at least in the same price range as other 30ft racers, if not cheaper, what a loss
    For this amount of money you can get od30 or sf3300 with options and have a lighter hull that doesn't fear scratches as much

  • @knutarneaakra6013
    @knutarneaakra6013 2 роки тому

    Must be scary sailing downwind in big waves. Not for me being a old seadog

    • @TheAntoine191
      @TheAntoine191 2 роки тому +2

      if anything scows are more stable and less wet so only better for big conditions.

  • @bishopdredd5349
    @bishopdredd5349 5 місяців тому

    love it

  • @justinarundell1885
    @justinarundell1885 2 роки тому +1

    I doubt it's 100 m squared gennaker, probably 100 square metres. There's a huge difference.

  • @alfred-vz8ti
    @alfred-vz8ti 6 місяців тому

    easy to make a fast boat, easy to make a sea-worthy boat, but they ain't the same boat.
    this looks like a good middle position, and relatively cheap. should prosper.

  • @stevefink6000
    @stevefink6000 2 роки тому

    It looks like my old Thunderbird F@#%ed a Cybertruck! 😆

  • @ВикторАбакумов-в4з
    @ВикторАбакумов-в4з Місяць тому

    кто знает - почему лодки стали круглыми ?? ну острые же лучше режут волны ??

  • @bukwok
    @bukwok 2 роки тому +1

    ace of spades , If you like to gamble , I tell you, I'm your man , win some, lose some , it's all the same to me , ace of spades, ace of spades.

  • @geertbosch2778
    @geertbosch2778 2 роки тому

    The sound is really off: mostly coming through the left ear, hard to hear listen to through headphones.

  • @boringsoaring
    @boringsoaring 2 роки тому

    Big bow wave

  • @stevoschannel4127
    @stevoschannel4127 6 місяців тому

    Should be named “Nice Personality”

  • @78779
    @78779 2 роки тому

    It’s a giant Rainbow class.

  • @CanadianGrenadian
    @CanadianGrenadian 2 роки тому +1

    Beautiful

  • @christophmahler
    @christophmahler Місяць тому

    [squinting over stretched out thumb]: is this the optimal yacht for exploring aquatic planets ?

  • @ragemore7750
    @ragemore7750 2 роки тому

    The hull shape is extremely similar to the small race boat called the Fireball of 1962. Nothing new.

  • @dhanso928
    @dhanso928 2 роки тому +1

    Ugly awkward. Fast? If you have to walk backwards to get aboard without seeing it, I guess it'd be fun to sail, but sheesh!
    Half of sailing is how awesome sailboats are, IMHO.

  • @vplph
    @vplph Місяць тому

    basically a cat with a keel

  • @ozenliyelken3380
    @ozenliyelken3380 Рік тому

    güzel bir dizayn olmuşa benziyor ama videodaki vinçlerle ilgilenen kişinin Sigara içmesi hiç hoş değil madem bir tekne tanıtımıo yapıyorsun o elindeki sigara nedir...

  • @jaysparc
    @jaysparc 2 роки тому +2

    Bowling, darts, pool, sailing.
    name four sports where you can have a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other and call yourself an athlete.

    • @General_Crock
      @General_Crock 2 роки тому +2

      Clearly haven't raced a dinghy...

    • @jaysparc
      @jaysparc 2 роки тому

      @@General_Crock It's a joke.... seeing that guy smoking... I know sailing is a sport you noob.

    • @General_Crock
      @General_Crock 2 роки тому

      @@jaysparc I wish I was a noob 😕. Cheers.

    • @jaysparc
      @jaysparc 2 роки тому

      @@General_Crock I thought noob was nicer than humorless dwarf.

  • @edwardfinn4141
    @edwardfinn4141 2 роки тому

    Toby, OK it’s a racer, we get it.

  • @o0bananaman0o
    @o0bananaman0o 2 роки тому

    looks like my nephew's optima on steroids. stick steer and all

  • @philippesails4973
    @philippesails4973 2 роки тому +1

    Ugly but certainly as efficient as other scow designs, even I. Roughness!

  • @keithmoorechannel
    @keithmoorechannel Рік тому

    Floating brick.

  • @skaraborgcraft
    @skaraborgcraft 2 роки тому +1

    Wheres the shitter?

  • @lorentosi
    @lorentosi 2 роки тому +1

    What a misery of boat

  • @superalexdiz1
    @superalexdiz1 2 роки тому

    Забавный гроб.

  • @chrisbarrett2117
    @chrisbarrett2117 9 місяців тому

    Ugly, I wanted to like it, but it looks like a Dutch Herringbus

  • @Mahalo_83
    @Mahalo_83 Рік тому

    It’s undeniably ugly

  • @thomaselliott573
    @thomaselliott573 3 місяці тому

    that was great the way you cut off the price as tested, which was the most critical part of this review. I eventually got it - 250,00 for this piece of sh1t???? Stop dreaming