Max seems to have made a curly job difficult - gone about it the hard way. I would not attempt so much freehand milling where one has to coordinate turning two table controls - there is too much risk of cutting in where one shouldn't and having to scrap the work piece and start over. Surely, this is a job that has a mix of flat sides at arbitrary angles to the long axis, and a few constant radius curves. Surely this indicates the work should be held in a rotary table with the rotation axis parallel to the milling head axis, not at right angles as Max had it. Then nearly all surfaces can be precisely generated to high finish quality by turning one crank (the traverse crank on the milling machine for straight cuts, and the rotary table control for the curved cuts) instead of having to work 2-handed "freehand" as Max forced himself to do. UA-camr Inheritance Machining has shown how to do this sort of thing quickly and easily with his shop-made guided rotary table jig - but then he is one those that Max thinks is an edited UA-cam poser, not a real machinist, and therefore is to be deprecated.
So Max, I work for a fairly large fabrication company that makes a range of stuff from components to very large machined weldments, with many CNC machining centers on hand, including 5 axis machining, which is likely what we'd use for this job. However, I expect we would advise the customer we'd not be best suited for that job, because the cost of having someone (me) measure it as close as possible to produce a CAD model, then one of our machinists translate that into a CNC program would be too expensive. The CAD modelling and CNC programming alone would take as long as it took you to make the part start to finish by the looks of things. If a CNC shop happened to have a 3D scanner on hand that might change things - otherwise we'd be pricey for a one off. Now if it was to turn out a hundred of them - maybe even 10 - then maybe it would be worthwhile. I suppose if the customer brought a scan file with to help the programming that would aid the costing a bit.
My guess exactly . Large shops would not be able to charge out the time involved for a one off odd ball part . Would be too expensive for the customer & that is even if they would take it on . Cheers 👍
Thanks Max! Using a wood working technique to create pieces! 👏👏 I was wondering why didn’t you use a woodruff cutter with a follower on top for the other side?
Absolute mastery Max! the reading of the 3d model and then manually profiling it. Very rare to see this sort of machining anywhere nowadays, thank you, very enjoyable and educational.
Wow Max, that was amazing. It was very interesting to see how you thought through your process on which area to tackle first and sequence the work through to this point. Very helpful to a novice like me. Anxious to see the final stub shaft build and see it finished. This was great! Thanks for sharing. 🙂🙂🙂
Absolute Beauty! To do it in CNC without drawings I would probe it all the way around. This would get me an accurate shape by which I could make a drawing. It would probably take a similar amount of time too. The only benefit would be I can now produce as many funky handles as I want. It's just a different type of engineering skill as there aren't many of 'you' about anymore unfortunately. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Well no. Most of this is trivial for a 3 axis cnc and it could be done entirely on a 4 axis. As well a cnc works truly freehand without needing a template or jigs. These complex curves are one of cnc's strong suites. Max is a true artist of the old manual milling skills.
There is always something different being presented on your channel Max whether machine repair or creative solutions with manual machines that have stood the test of time along with being a third generation mechanic and machinist. Thanks for sharing your life's work with us all. Your tips and techniques remind me of my tool and die apprenticeship and career journey. mjm
Very nice work there Max, freehand milling would take excellent hand eye coordination or alternatively a lot of hand filing afterwards, something Tom Lipton would possibly tackle with gusto. I have seen some UA-cam videos where they used hand held scanning devices to scan a part, and then convert that to a file that could be imported into a program like Fusion 360 to tidy up and eventually output a file to some kind of machine centre. I am jus a machinist wanna be, with most of my knowledge coming from creators like yourself, so definitely have no first hand experience of CNC work. Thanks for all your considerable efforts in sharing your experience, you are doing a great job.
Watching you figure out simple steps to do a complicated job is impressive. I watch and see yes, of course, that way, but sheesh I'm over my head. Nice work.
Very very impresisve work indeed, Most viewers will have no idea how working both axis handles simultaneously is, let alone eveything else needed, I have a Bridgeport mill here in England, prety sure I couldn't have made that part, even after fourty years of using one. Bloody good engineering. One of my favourite YT channells
Hi Max, There you go thinking outside of the box again, anyone would think you knew what you were doing lol, outstanding work as per usual, keep em coming mate. Best wishes, Mal.
Hi Max, certainly gave me a headache watching you cut those complex shapes freehand. I was always perplexed how they machined the complex parts on my 303 Enfield, done in Lithgow more than a hundred years ago! Great job Max, keep them coming.
Very old school Max! I have done pattern routing in wood, but in metal?!? A good trick from woodworking is to make the first cuts as you did with the bearing wheel following the pattern, but make the subsequent cuts with the bearing wheel above the cutter, referenced off of the first cut.
Hi Max, excellent job mate, loved the jockey wheel idea👍. Lots of people already mentioned scanning, there's loads on the market today driven by the 3D printing game, however, industry have been using GOM (developed in automotive industry) for nearly 20 years now, it will get you a model within microns of the original, then the rest is straightforward CNC CAM. This tech is not cheap though so not many jobbing shops will have it, if any. 👍🏴
Thanks Jon . All that stuff is completely out of my wheel house . Technology over took me years ago when i shifted away from machining to heavy earthmoving / mining repairs many years ago ! Glad to be back machining though as the toll taken on my body from the previous was starting to catch up ! Cheers 👍
G'day, Max. I have a CNC, along with an aray of lathes and milling machines in my workshop, as you know. If that part were possible to make on a CNC, which it is not, that is my opinion, then the programming involved to create such a piece would not be cost effective. That is point one. Point two, it would probably fry the brains out of it like a robot, stuck in a corner of a room getting nowhere.😂 That is why freehand lathe work is such a skill, a skill I know for a fact is disappearing. A skill you and i both worked hard over the years to perfect. I have two apprentices on 5 year apprenticeships. Another one with two years still to go on his and a fourth who is in his last year. He is called Anthony, or Tony. I also have two other members of staff who are fully capable at completing any job sheet i give them to a high standard. A standard i set many years ago. Graham, who has worked with me since i started the business over 42 years ago, we teach the boys freehand lathe work. Even at college, which they attend one day a week, it is taught, but the emphasis is more guided towards CNC machines, etc.That's just bonkers. I have a similar piece in mind, used in a capstan which was recast last year and now we are making everything that was attached to it. I will ask him to work out all of the angles and measurements and then program the CNC. If the CNC is successful in duplicating the piece, then I will pay him a years wages in the form of a bonus in a single payment. That is how confident i am his task will fail. Not because he is not good at programming because he is. In fact, in some respects he is better at it than me. The youth of today, Max. Their willingness to do better plus, their eyesight is better.😂 There is hope yet. Going back to what I said about freehand. Last year, a guy came to work for me, i cant remember his name. He finished his apprenticeship like, six years previous. His CV looked good and he answered all my questions giving good replies. He even asked me a few of his own showing initiative. His skill, if you can call it that, using the modern machines and equipment of today, he was very good at. I can't fault his work setting up the machines, entering information, then pushing buttons. However, about 2 months later I gave him a job sheet to make a water pump housing from an aluminium block. It was about the size of a human head. He looked at me and asked where the plans were. I said, "There are none. The piece you need to machine is from a 1970s tractor engine. Therefore, detailed plans from that period were not available or did not exist." I'll bring you the damaged housing so you can freehand the piece i said. He looked pale in the face. That is when i found out he could not freehand. I say could not. Thats not strictly true. He tried it and successfully made the housing in the end, but it took him three days. Three days to machine a housing for which i allowed 6 hours plus set up times totaling 2 hours 45 minutes. That's some expensive housing. Suffice to say, he is no longer with me. Another example. In January, this year. Peter came to work for me. His CV looked impressive. He had all the right qualifications, but when i asked him about freehand work, his reply was. "I will only work if i have a job sheet which is in acordance with my contract. Rest assured, i will not do any private work." What the blazes was that guy on? I explained what i meant by freehand, and then he got up and left my office. Perhaps he was embarrassed, who knows because i never got the chance to talk with him again. His CV stated that he finished his apprenticeship in 2016. This meant surley, he had been taught freehand work, right? So, i contacted one of the engineering colleges in my city, not where my guys attend. They told me freehand lathe work was taught, but with the way engineering is progressing, and although it was included in the curriculum, it was in the process of being phased out over the next 10 years. Therfore, only basic instruction was given to cover the simplest of tasks. Tasks a first year does in his first week. WTF! What is this world coming to? So, i called two more engineering colleges around the country where engineering once was busy. One was in Manchester, once the heart of engineering back in the day. The other was in Newcastle, an industrial city. Both said pretty much the same thing as the first college i contacted, although Newcastle added. They will continue to teach students freehand until such time it seems unnecessary to remove it from the curriculum. It's all bonkers, mate. The world as we know it is going to the fookin dogs.🤬 Thanks for this second part, cobber. Nice work. Now i have to wait for part three, cheers, mate.🙄🏴⚒️
Thanks , an interesting story . My apprenticeship started as a 5 year one , but was shortened to 4 . Don't know why they did that , but it was the new standard in 1986 .I don't recall freehand training at tech , but the memory is a bit hazy from back then ! Mind you , i used to do a lot of free hand stuff playing around after school in my late Fathers shop on lathes & the milling machine . An early start ! But that being said , it is still an important part of the trade . How many times do you see people swapping tools just to do basic corner rad's & chamfering that can be done easily with the tool from the previous opp . Cheers 👍
Well, you really can’t beat a manual machinist for quality. The handle looks brilliant mate. It’s a shame that “machinists” are coming out of training as button pushers for CNC. Thanks reminding and showing how machining is about thinking outside the box and patience. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺
Beautiful work Max. There are programs in which you take a picture of the item, load it in, apply the dimensions to the picture and shazam it produces the CNC code, they are very spendy though. Otherwise you have to have a dude or dudette that's a whiz with graphics software and have them draw it up and then transfer it the program that produces the CNC code.
Max, some CNC machine shops have 3D scanners to digitize the measurements of a shape. The labour would include the optimization of the resulting mesh and the creation of the g code. You can use independent contractors on the internet who specialize in optimization of meshes, mostly for 3D printing, and subcontract in order to decrease labour costs. The optimization of g-code is proprietary of each shop (most use Fusion 360).
Thanks . Would i be correct in guessing , the machining in the areas outside the main profile , near where the part is held would have to be manually entered into the programme ? 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop should I have this particular job I’d first fit the round boss (weld it, press fit whatever) and hold it from that end. After finishing the cycle and all the machined parts, included the thread part it off there. At the end you’ll have the finished piece, the cylinder you were holding and a bunch of slivers. CNC is a complete different beast than manual machining.
Awesome outcome Max! It would be interesting to see how they did it originally. I'm guessing some type of tracing mill ? Thanks for bringing us along. Cheers....
Brilliant work Max. You must have spent a lot of time thinking about this one. A CNC shop would have to digitize the part to make a 3D model of the part. IMO Cheers
Liked as you used a follower bearing on your face and edge cutter. Long time technique used in Cabinetmaking. Applies perfectly well to metal working for pattern milling. For using a straight shaper cutter to follow a curved pattern I use a rub ring that is either under or over top the cutter, equal diameter to the cutter. That idea could be adapted to do the same thing with your end mills if you wanted to. You would need to fasten the fixed follower above the quill. Mark
Max, my guess at how a CNC Shop would handle that part (if at all) would be that they'd have some kind of laser scanner to 3D scan the part plus a 3D CAD system (with an operator) to make a drawing/model to send to their CAM system/Programmer. Then they'd probably have to charge a lot more than you did in order to pay for the expensive gear plus the entire staff running everything.
Over the last Pt1 and this Pt2 there were so many 'opportunities' for a foul-up, but You sailed thru. Hope the Lever is appreciated. ......... and the next 'item' is a Corker?!, surely easier than this one. ps - shout out to shy Col J.
Tradesman ! I was quoted $500 to reproduce a handle from an antique machine. They scann the part, then fine tune the plans with the software ... The next question he asked me was, "How many hundreds do you need ?"
Thanks, Max! Wow that was a doozy of a part. Information from work, if we need something like that made from a CNC shop we need to offset the cost for programming and setup by ordering a large batch. We have multiple maintenance shop in each state to get something made someone has to call each shop to ask if they need then and how many or if they have found an alternative part.
Brilliant as always Max. I’m guessing a CNC shop could 3 D scan the part into fusion as a model then try & create a machining program, BUT they still would have to allow for work holding on each end and probably finish it as you have I reckon. But that’s just a guess.
Max seems to have made a curly job difficult - gone about it the hard way. I would not attempt so much freehand milling where one has to coordinate turning two table controls - there is too much risk of cutting in where one shouldn't and having to scrap the work piece and start over.
Surely, this is a job that has a mix of flat sides at arbitrary angles to the long axis, and a few constant radius curves. Surely this indicates the work should be held in a rotary table with the rotation axis parallel to the milling head axis, not at right angles as Max had it. Then nearly all surfaces can be precisely generated to high finish quality by turning one crank (the traverse crank on the milling machine for straight cuts, and the rotary table control for the curved cuts) instead of having to work 2-handed "freehand" as Max forced himself to do.
UA-camr Inheritance Machining has shown how to do this sort of thing quickly and easily with his shop-made guided rotary table jig - but then he is one those that Max thinks is an edited UA-cam poser, not a real machinist, and therefore is to be deprecated.
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So Max, I work for a fairly large fabrication company that makes a range of stuff from components to very large machined weldments, with many CNC machining centers on hand, including 5 axis machining, which is likely what we'd use for this job. However, I expect we would advise the customer we'd not be best suited for that job, because the cost of having someone (me) measure it as close as possible to produce a CAD model, then one of our machinists translate that into a CNC program would be too expensive. The CAD modelling and CNC programming alone would take as long as it took you to make the part start to finish by the looks of things. If a CNC shop happened to have a 3D scanner on hand that might change things - otherwise we'd be pricey for a one off. Now if it was to turn out a hundred of them - maybe even 10 - then maybe it would be worthwhile. I suppose if the customer brought a scan file with to help the programming that would aid the costing a bit.
Beautifully done !!
My guess exactly . Large shops would not be able to charge out the time involved for a one off odd ball part . Would be too expensive for the customer & that is even if they would take it on . Cheers 👍
Hi Max. Using a free spinning jockey wheel on the arbor was inspired. Thank you for sharing your ideas. 👏👏👍😀
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That profile following technique is really excellent. Thanks for taking us along on this part a tricky one for sure!
Thanks Max! Using a wood working technique to create pieces! 👏👏
I was wondering why didn’t you use a woodruff cutter with a follower on top for the other side?
Yes , the wood router cutters with the bearing put the idea into my head ! Cheers 👍
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Your wealth of experience really shows in the way you resolve these complex problems Max.
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Max Grant the Rembrant of the mill table! Great work,Appreciate you bringing us along!
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Absolute mastery Max! the reading of the 3d model and then manually profiling it. Very rare to see this sort of machining anywhere nowadays, thank you, very enjoyable and educational.
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Wow Max, that was amazing. It was very interesting to see how you thought through your process on which area to tackle first and sequence the work through to this point. Very helpful to a novice like me. Anxious to see the final stub shaft build and see it finished. This was great!
Thanks for sharing. 🙂🙂🙂
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i liked the "routerbit" idea for following the profile max !
cheers ben.
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I reckon that’s some of the best manual machining I’ve ever seen on UA-cam. Amazing skill Max.
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Absolute Beauty!
To do it in CNC without drawings I would probe it all the way around. This would get me an accurate shape by which I could make a drawing. It would probably take a similar amount of time too. The only benefit would be I can now produce as many funky handles as I want. It's just a different type of engineering skill as there aren't many of 'you' about anymore unfortunately.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
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Max, your lifetime of machining is a joy to see.
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The CNC shop would punch it in the computer and the computer would say:"That does not compute"lol. Excelent job again Max.💯
Well no. Most of this is trivial for a 3 axis cnc and it could be done entirely on a 4 axis. As well a cnc works truly freehand without needing a template or jigs. These complex curves are one of cnc's strong suites. Max is a true artist of the old manual milling skills.
Lol , Cheers Al . 👍
There is always something different being presented on your channel Max whether machine repair or creative solutions with manual machines that have stood the test of time along with being a third generation mechanic and machinist. Thanks for sharing your life's work with us all. Your tips and techniques remind me of my tool and die apprenticeship and career journey. mjm
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Very nice work there Max, freehand milling would take excellent hand eye coordination or alternatively a lot of hand filing afterwards, something Tom Lipton would possibly tackle with gusto. I have seen some UA-cam videos where they used hand held scanning devices to scan a part, and then convert that to a file that could be imported into a program like Fusion 360 to tidy up and eventually output a file to some kind of machine centre. I am jus a machinist wanna be, with most of my knowledge coming from creators like yourself, so definitely have no first hand experience of CNC work.
Thanks for all your considerable efforts in sharing your experience, you are doing a great job.
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This is one of the neatest things I've seen in ages. Bravo.
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Watching you figure out simple steps to do a complicated job is impressive. I watch and see yes, of course, that way, but sheesh I'm over my head. Nice work.
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From reading the comments here. I think Max is going to be inundated with complex one off parts to be made. Good luck to you Max .Wonderful work, job.
Lol , no worries . Cheers 👍
Very very impresisve work indeed, Most viewers will have no idea how working both axis handles simultaneously is, let alone eveything else needed, I have a Bridgeport mill here in England, prety sure I couldn't have made that part, even after fourty years of using one. Bloody good engineering. One of my favourite YT channells
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Max very edifying, does show the two or so generations before you that passed their knowledge and skills to you. Good onya
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That was a master class in experience machining. Well done. So impressed with your skills. Loved watching it. Nothing beats old school touch.
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Hi Max, There you go thinking outside of the box again, anyone would think you knew what you were doing lol, outstanding work as per usual, keep em coming mate. Best wishes, Mal.
Lol , Cheers 👍
What you've got to understand is that with minds like Max has, there is no box.
Wow , a lot of work making that part , great job Max !
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Really enjoyed these video's Max. Always learn something new watching you at work.
Cam
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Astounding! You don’t need no stink’n, no good lousy rotten multi-axis CNC robot machining center. Truly amazing.
I could not afford one , let alone the tooling !!! And also would not have the faintest idea how to use one !!! 👍
Hi Max, certainly gave me a headache watching you cut those complex shapes freehand.
I was always perplexed how they machined the complex parts on my 303 Enfield, done in Lithgow more than a hundred years ago!
Great job Max, keep them coming.
They did an amazing job back then for war time production . Was looking at a Vickers & a Bren the other day . 👍
Really nicely coordinated feeding of both handwheels... and I liked he rotating guide... great ideas!
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Very old school Max! I have done pattern routing in wood, but in metal?!? A good trick from woodworking is to make the first cuts as you did with the bearing wheel following the pattern, but make the subsequent cuts with the bearing wheel above the cutter, referenced off of the first cut.
Thanks . I got the idea from a wood router bit with the bearing . 👍
That was just amazing! not seen anything like this on youtube, freehand milling to this accuracy, love it!
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Max. A CNC shop would probably say” take it to a foundry and have them cast a few”. 👍🏴
Lol , probably ! 👍
Brilliant job Max, it’ll be interesting to hear how a cnc shop would tackle this, cheers
Cheers Matty . Seems there must be a few with 3D scanners . Sounds expensive but no doubt a necessary evil to back up an expensive CNC machine . 👍
Masterly done Max.
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Excellent mate! Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to show us your tricks.
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Dude you’re a freaking artist!!!
Lol , not sure about that !!! Cheers 👍
Hi Max, excellent job mate, loved the jockey wheel idea👍. Lots of people already mentioned scanning, there's loads on the market today driven by the 3D printing game, however, industry have been using GOM (developed in automotive industry) for nearly 20 years now, it will get you a model within microns of the original, then the rest is straightforward CNC CAM. This tech is not cheap though so not many jobbing shops will have it, if any. 👍🏴
Thanks Jon . All that stuff is completely out of my wheel house . Technology over took me years ago when i shifted away from machining to heavy earthmoving / mining repairs many years ago ! Glad to be back machining though as the toll taken on my body from the previous was starting to catch up ! Cheers 👍
Very clever Max, that profile cutting
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Max, This is going to one expensive handle! Lots of interesting action. Thanks, TB
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You are the free hand king!
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I like your flying saucer router setup. Very funky indeed.
And I don't know a thing about CNC, so I can't answer you question.
Cheers Rusty . Seems we are in the same boat ! 👍
The best eye to hand to machine coordination I’ve seen in years, who needs cnc. Looking really good 👍
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G'day, Max.
I have a CNC, along with an aray of lathes and milling machines in my workshop, as you know.
If that part were possible to make on a CNC, which it is not, that is my opinion, then the programming involved to create such a piece would not be cost effective. That is point one. Point two, it would probably fry the brains out of it like a robot, stuck in a corner of a room getting nowhere.😂
That is why freehand lathe work is such a skill, a skill I know for a fact is disappearing. A skill you and i both worked hard over the years to perfect.
I have two apprentices on 5 year apprenticeships. Another one with two years still to go on his and a fourth who is in his last year. He is called Anthony, or Tony. I also have two other members of staff who are fully capable at completing any job sheet i give them to a high standard. A standard i set many years ago.
Graham, who has worked with me since i started the business over 42 years ago, we teach the boys freehand lathe work. Even at college, which they attend one day a week, it is taught, but the emphasis is more guided towards CNC machines, etc.That's just bonkers.
I have a similar piece in mind, used in a capstan which was recast last year and now we are making everything that was attached to it. I will ask him to work out all of the angles and measurements and then program the CNC. If the CNC is successful in duplicating the piece, then I will pay him a years wages in the form of a bonus in a single payment.
That is how confident i am his task will fail. Not because he is not good at programming because he is. In fact, in some respects he is better at it than me. The youth of today, Max. Their willingness to do better plus, their eyesight is better.😂 There is hope yet.
Going back to what I said about freehand. Last year, a guy came to work for me, i cant remember his name. He finished his apprenticeship like, six years previous. His CV looked good and he answered all my questions giving good replies. He even asked me a few of his own showing initiative.
His skill, if you can call it that, using the modern machines and equipment of today, he was very good at. I can't fault his work setting up the machines, entering information, then pushing buttons.
However, about 2 months later I gave him a job sheet to make a water pump housing from an aluminium block. It was about the size of a human head. He looked at me and asked where the plans were. I said, "There are none. The piece you need to machine is from a 1970s tractor engine. Therefore, detailed plans from that period were not available or did not exist." I'll bring you the damaged housing so you can freehand the piece i said. He looked pale in the face.
That is when i found out he could not freehand. I say could not. Thats not strictly true. He tried it and successfully made the housing in the end, but it took him three days. Three days to machine a housing for which i allowed 6 hours plus set up times totaling 2 hours 45 minutes. That's some expensive housing. Suffice to say, he is no longer with me.
Another example. In January, this year. Peter came to work for me. His CV looked impressive. He had all the right qualifications, but when i asked him about freehand work, his reply was. "I will only work if i have a job sheet which is in acordance with my contract. Rest assured, i will not do any private work." What the blazes was that guy on?
I explained what i meant by freehand, and then he got up and left my office. Perhaps he was embarrassed, who knows because i never got the chance to talk with him again. His CV stated that he finished his apprenticeship in 2016. This meant surley, he had been taught freehand work, right?
So, i contacted one of the engineering colleges in my city, not where my guys attend. They told me freehand lathe work was taught, but with the way engineering is progressing, and although it was included in the curriculum, it was in the process of being phased out over the next 10 years. Therfore, only basic instruction was given to cover the simplest of tasks. Tasks a first year does in his first week. WTF!
What is this world coming to? So, i called two more engineering colleges around the country where engineering once was busy. One was in Manchester, once the heart of engineering back in the day. The other was in Newcastle, an industrial city. Both said pretty much the same thing as the first college i contacted, although Newcastle added. They will continue to teach students freehand until such time it seems unnecessary to remove it from the curriculum.
It's all bonkers, mate. The world as we know it is going to the fookin dogs.🤬
Thanks for this second part, cobber. Nice work. Now i have to wait for part three, cheers, mate.🙄🏴⚒️
Thanks , an interesting story . My apprenticeship started as a 5 year one , but was shortened to 4 . Don't know why they did that , but it was the new standard in 1986 .I don't recall freehand training at tech , but the memory is a bit hazy from back then ! Mind you , i used to do a lot of free hand stuff playing around after school in my late Fathers shop on lathes & the milling machine . An early start ! But that being said , it is still an important part of the trade . How many times do you see people swapping tools just to do basic corner rad's & chamfering that can be done easily with the tool from the previous opp . Cheers 👍
Wow I am humbled ! That was some really great set ups ! Great work ! I enjoy your videos best Regards From USA Kentucky
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You are the Michelangelo of metal, Max! That is really amazing work. Using that guide wheel was genius. Thanks for another superb video.
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More really interesting approaches. Cheers.
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Thankyou max there was so much to learn from that one wow opened my training cheers
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Quite the craftsman doing that free hand work. Always enjoy,thanks!
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Excellent hands - eye coordination, enjoyed the video, thank you
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That is some impressive work, Max.
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Another fine bit of engineering Max. thanks again for taking the time to make edit and post this work.
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That was awesome… fun to watch!
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Just love that swarf! 😅 ... Deadly stuff . Its just like trimming a horses hoor ...just cut off anything that does not look like a hoof !!!
Gotta love the needles ! That's why i love face mills & insert cutters ! 👍
Max, You're a true craftsman and I love watching your video's
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Great work. And some clever tricks!
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You are so amazing, sir!!!!
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A very complicated job. Thanks for sharing .
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Smashing good job!
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G'day Max. Another Excellent Tutorial. Very complex part, which is turning into a Master Piece.
One small part left & its finished ✅️ ✔️ 👍🏻 🙌 🎉
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Max you tack on some realystrange jobs and you do great job my hat is off to you, take care care
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Awesome job!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Great Job Max. Thanks for sharing
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Well, you really can’t beat a manual machinist for quality. The handle looks brilliant mate. It’s a shame that “machinists” are coming out of training as button pushers for CNC. Thanks reminding and showing how machining is about thinking outside the box and patience. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺
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Beautiful work Max. There are programs in which you take a picture of the item, load it in, apply the dimensions to the picture and shazam it produces the CNC code, they are very spendy though. Otherwise you have to have a dude or dudette that's a whiz with graphics software and have them draw it up and then transfer it the program that produces the CNC code.
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Great work Max ......as usual
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Max, some CNC machine shops have 3D scanners to digitize the measurements of a shape. The labour would include the optimization of the resulting mesh and the creation of the g code. You can use independent contractors on the internet who specialize in optimization of meshes, mostly for 3D printing, and subcontract in order to decrease labour costs. The optimization of g-code is proprietary of each shop (most use Fusion 360).
Thanks . Would i be correct in guessing , the machining in the areas outside the main profile , near where the part is held would have to be manually entered into the programme ? 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop should I have this particular job I’d first fit the round boss (weld it, press fit whatever) and hold it from that end. After finishing the cycle and all the machined parts, included the thread part it off there. At the end you’ll have the finished piece, the cylinder you were holding and a bunch of slivers.
CNC is a complete different beast than manual machining.
Awesome outcome Max! It would be interesting to see how they did it originally. I'm guessing some type of tracing mill ?
Thanks for bringing us along.
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I think maybe forged then the various parts machined , held in special fixtures . 👍
Impressive machining Max. Great to watch your freehand milling. The finished profiles spot on. Cheers Tony
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Great work Max. I think if it was me I'd get it cast.
Cheers . Still has a bit of machining and a lot of set up time after casting ! 👍
Brilliant work Max. You must have spent a lot of time thinking about this one. A CNC shop would have to digitize the part to make a 3D model of the part. IMO Cheers
It sat on my bench for a couple of days ! 👍
I just discovered this channel and am really enjoying it! Thanks Max!
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Superb skills and a great ingenuity to plan the project,fantastic ❤
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Beautiful Max
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Liked as you used a follower bearing on your face and edge cutter. Long time technique used in Cabinetmaking. Applies perfectly well to metal working for pattern milling. For using a straight shaper cutter to follow a curved pattern I use a rub ring that is either under or over top the cutter, equal diameter to the cutter. That idea could be adapted to do the same thing with your end mills if you wanted to. You would need to fasten the fixed follower above the quill.
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Absolutely amazing work. Thank you
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The jockey wheel is just like a bearing on a flush cut wood router bit :) A heavy duty version :)
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@@swanvalleymachineshop Your idea worked perfectly :)
Fantstic skills, a pleasure to watch 👍
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very good job friend Max
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Really interesting set of vid's Max
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Max, my guess at how a CNC Shop would handle that part (if at all) would be that they'd have some kind of laser scanner to 3D scan the part plus a 3D CAD system (with an operator) to make a drawing/model to send to their CAM system/Programmer. Then they'd probably have to charge a lot more than you did in order to pay for the expensive gear plus the entire staff running everything.
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Wowzers, So much to take in as you do this, keep up the great work Max.
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Nicely done!
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Well done mate 👍
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awesome Max!
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Another high caliber job Max really enjoyed this one
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Over the last Pt1 and this Pt2 there were so many 'opportunities' for a foul-up, but You sailed thru.
Hope the Lever is appreciated. ......... and the next 'item' is a Corker?!, surely easier than this one.
ps - shout out to shy Col J.
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Great outcome max.
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Wow love your work
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awesome work and skills 👏 very interesting 👍
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Tradesman !
I was quoted $500 to reproduce a handle from an antique machine. They scann the part, then fine tune the plans with the software ... The next question he asked me was, "How many hundreds do you need ?"
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Great job Max👍
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Thanks, Max! Wow that was a doozy of a part. Information from work, if we need something like that made from a CNC shop we need to offset the cost for programming and setup by ordering a large batch. We have multiple maintenance shop in each state to get something made someone has to call each shop to ask if they need then and how many or if they have found an alternative part.
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Max, the Magic Hands Machinist 🙏
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G'day Max, far out buddy, thats a job well done mate, bloody lovely! is it another tractor part? I'm proper impressed
Yes , another tractor part ! Cheers Mate 👍
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Thank you Max!
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Brilliant as always Max.
I’m guessing a CNC shop could 3 D scan the part into fusion as a model then try & create a machining program, BUT they still would have to allow for work holding on each end and probably finish it as you have I reckon.
But that’s just a guess.
3D scan seems to be the go now days . 👍
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Parabéns. serviço magnifico.
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Great coordination with two handles Max. you are an CNC machine by yourself.
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great video
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yeah there may be better ways but , this was fun to watch .. id have knicked that sample 20 times !!!
thanks for the time it took ya you make the vid
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