You can tell CGB doesn't know that the Fairy Tales from Disney stray far from the original fairy tales where things like the step-sisters of Cinderella chopped off parts of their feet to fit into the glass slippers or the Evil Queen in Snow White was forced to wear red hot iron shoes and dance at the wedding happened.
Fun fact about a lot of these! The thing people think of when they talk about these 'original' stories are *mostly* the ones compiled in the works of the Brothers Grimm. But even those stories can't actually be trusted to be the original folk tales and oral legends! There's an amount of evidence that the brothers were... editorializing, let's say. Or picking their favorite versions of the stories they heard multiple iterations of. Their own preference toward darker narratives shaped their work, which then outlived the actual originals. In a way, Disney having their own take on things, and creating a 'house style' that is in contrast to where they got the story from in the first place, is just another cycle of a long tradition. Which is actually kinda cool, and deeply human.
@@Argusthecat Indeed, it's very clear they were editorialising, since they published several versions and changed details between their own publications. While there probably was some personal preference in there, much of it was probably also done with the taste of the public in mind, or the need to not cause to much scandal. As you stated, there was with a tendency towards darkness, or at least towards violence - particularly in punishing who or what was (perceived to be) morally reprehensible. On the other hand, some of the stories appear to have been more sexual in nature, contained more innuendo than the brothers Grimm ended up recording. Oh, also, in case you ever wondered what's with all the evil stepmothers in fairy tales: those used to be mothers in the stories, but that didn't quite fit the burgeoning bourgeois tastes that were served by these fairy tales. Clearly motherhood had to be this sacred thing in the equally sacred nuclear family. So double whammy on the stepmoms: not real mothers and clearly not a real part of the ideal family. Especially with stories like these, of course they got changed all the time, pretty much every generation. There may have been versions with more present ("pagan") deities, there may have been thousands of local variations with names, foods, clothing in the stories. These are archetypal stories that are pretty much there to be a mirror of their time. So I fully agree that Disney is just a part of that tradition, even in yet again reworking the stories with more supposedly woke angles, as some corners of the internet like to decry. That's just the nature of these stories and in a sense, of all stories. TL;DR: I agree.
@@tau.r.u The stories in the Grimm collections changed a lot between editions, very true. The reason isn't that surprising either - Wilhelm did most of the work on the editions past the first, and changed morals and characters within the stories to align better with christian beliefs. If I remember right (it's been a while since I read the history of the Grimm stories) the church invested quite heavily into the later editions as good ways to teach the masses "good" morals. Jacob only really contributed to the collection of the stories, and the first edition. A lot of the darker elements of the stories were heavily toned down, and many of the more characters/contrivances that would come to the heroes' rescue were changed from being folklore-ish to angels, God, etc. The first edition is no-doubt editorialised, and many stories will have been omitted, but the difference between it and later/final editions is fascinating, and seeing more modern interpretations of the stories is as much so.
One of my favorite commander shows. For the banter/dynamic between the players, but also because shay and I seem to build a lot of the same or similar decks. So it's fun to see them in action from a 3rd person view. 🔥🔥
We have a new year tradition of playing EDH all night, and we're playing all the wackiest variants. Plain chase, rivals of Ixalan, fog of war, archenemy, 2 headed giant, 8 players edh...and most of us, drunk, or sleepless
I never faked illness, but my mother correctly believe in "mental health days" which I did use to the legal maximum. I'd just tell her "can't do it today" and then I'd just take the day off.
My friend got me into yall recently and as of the end of this episode I did exactly what our King, CGB, has commanded: I have liked, I have commented, I. Have. Sub-Scribed.
Although yen is much less valuable than USD, 50 million is still worth 324,960.20 USD. If you wanted the crown to not be worth that much you should’ve used a smaller number because even after googling the least valuable currency in the world (Iranian rial) and doing the conversion, it would still be worth 1,188 USD.
I love Eldraine and fairytales in general! It would be nice to see full flavor decks without any cards which do not fit the theme. I build many of my decks in this style, it forces me to check different cards and building is fun in that way too.
Ben, He's never been sick a day in his life, faked an old football injury to save face but also marry the girl of his dreams, Ben took up a job at the stadium doing security, he was very good at profiling bad guys, Ben survived a train accident, he was the only survivor, Ben has a hard time with swimming, it's like his only weakness, Water is blue, Ben struggles with blue... Ben is universes beyond M. Knight Shamalan Superman/Bruce Willis.
As a fellow Michigander I feel obligated to answer the did you ever fake sick to stay home question from CGB. I faked so hard I got home schooled for a year to play Halo.
I recently played elfball while pretty drunk and it was best worst experience ever. My plays for didn't make any damn sense but I was having the most fun. Would recommend drunk elfball. You could even take a shot for each elf token you generate. Or maybe better not because you'd probably die
The production value of this is going crazy with a crown worth nearly 325 thousand dollars price money for just one plane. Wizards really needs to pick up the slack take note and step up their tornament prize money
For mossborn hydra, do lands entering at the same time double the counters separately? For example, if it had 8 counters and 2 lands entered, would it add 8 counters twice? Or add 8 then 16? I ask because scute swarm has a similar problem
Yes, they double separately. The lands enter at the same time, which triggers the hydra twice. So both triggers are on the stack, the first resolves, doubling the counters. When the second trigger resolves, it counts the counters at that time, doubling again. Basically it goes from 8 to 16 and then to 32. With scute swarm it is a little different, because only the swarms in play see the two lands entering. The newly generated swarms haven’t seen any lands entering when the second trigger resolves. So 8 swarms create 8 new swarms twice, going to 24 instead of 32 like with the hydra.
Comeon Blake you literally said the worst thing your deck can do is not kill him first and than you get so easily swayed to give him time to find something ^^
I actually never faked being sick as a kid. If I wanted to skip school (very rarely), I let my mom know and usually had a good reason why. It was straight up for legitimate reasons. Lol
I could be wrong but I do think on that last turn, if Vito was activated to give creatures lifelink, CGB dies! Since the enchantments would have been seperate instances of life gain right? No shade at all, just a fun interaction I thought! Love this game and love you guys! Always have fun watching your content.
Dont think so as no damage was dealt therefore no lifelink would be applied. Although if Shay did not attack with the flyer she would have had a flying blocker with lifelink that CGB had to answer before attacking in with Korvold as vito would have drained him out because Bloodletter had lifelink from one of the enchantments
the creatures still aren't doing damage directly since eriette doesn't do the damage herself. so CGB just kinda wins either way due to being able to sac his blockers
I wasn't able to get out of school by faking sick because my parents had a rule: you only stay home from school if you have a fever or are throwing up.
Ok, so MTG the drinking game: Do you drink when you deal damage or when you take damage? Conveniently, in commander you have 40 life which is exactly how many ounces there are in a bottle of malt liquor. So, do you drink from your opponent's bottle or do you drink from your own? Obviously, when you gain life you add that from additional drinks outside the game.
"it's like a thousand for a dollar" Buddy, if you want to give me that "worthless" 50 million yen just let me know where do I sign up, I don't mid some 50k USD extra
Not hate but really confused. I dont understand, every time they said CGB is the problem, and they removed another player instead. Why? Are they held hostage to be there against their will?
The threat assessment here is honestly very straightforward. In a vacuum, CGB likely has the strongest deck at the table, with his only major rival in that respect being Blake. But Ben quite literally asked for that attack, and while CGB would kill Blake eventually, there were very good odds that if Ben untapped he could have killed Blake immediately (and would have; there's not much reason to let someone who's going to swing a 128 power trampler next turn live). Every token Ben made was a 6/5 flying vigilance, and that number grew with every enchantment he cast. That's a very dangerous person to leave alive, and you have to kill the person who's going to kill you now, not the person who's going to kill you in four turns. And then the rest of the game did acknowledge that absent an immediate threat CGB was the problem. On the subsequent attack, Blake did attempt to kill CGB but was stopped. And on Shea's turns, she was generally putting her damage at CGB and forcing him to deal with Blake, who didn't really have damage of his own to pressure back with unless he untapped again.
@@Kestral287 CGB also basically needed EXACTLY an exile card or he was doomed. he had exactly the answer he needed when he needed it. it was probably the right move to just delete ben and try to delete CGB immediately after but CGB just had that exact answer. play this game another 10x with hydra on board like that and CGB loses most of those.
Yes. Infect causes a source to "deal damage in the form of poison or -1/-1 counters". This still counts as dealing damage and therefore gains you life with lifelink. It's a bit weird, but that's how infect officially works. It doesn't prevent you from dealing damage, it just changes the effects of that damage (poison counters instead of life loss for players and and -1/-1 counters instead of marked damage for creatures, normal damage to planeswalkers and battles).
Blake even said in his intro that non-killing CGB first would be a mistake. And yet he still went for Ben first. When will they learn
Spoiler: Blake did again his worst possible as foreshadowed, he didn't kill CGB first. 🤣
He really should know better by now
Appreciate you guys pushing through this one even though most of you were under the weather. Great games as alawys, really enjoy your content!
You can tell CGB doesn't know that the Fairy Tales from Disney stray far from the original fairy tales where things like the step-sisters of Cinderella chopped off parts of their feet to fit into the glass slippers or the Evil Queen in Snow White was forced to wear red hot iron shoes and dance at the wedding happened.
Fun fact about a lot of these! The thing people think of when they talk about these 'original' stories are *mostly* the ones compiled in the works of the Brothers Grimm. But even those stories can't actually be trusted to be the original folk tales and oral legends! There's an amount of evidence that the brothers were... editorializing, let's say. Or picking their favorite versions of the stories they heard multiple iterations of. Their own preference toward darker narratives shaped their work, which then outlived the actual originals.
In a way, Disney having their own take on things, and creating a 'house style' that is in contrast to where they got the story from in the first place, is just another cycle of a long tradition. Which is actually kinda cool, and deeply human.
@@Argusthecat Indeed, it's very clear they were editorialising, since they published several versions and changed details between their own publications. While there probably was some personal preference in there, much of it was probably also done with the taste of the public in mind, or the need to not cause to much scandal.
As you stated, there was with a tendency towards darkness, or at least towards violence - particularly in punishing who or what was (perceived to be) morally reprehensible. On the other hand, some of the stories appear to have been more sexual in nature, contained more innuendo than the brothers Grimm ended up recording.
Oh, also, in case you ever wondered what's with all the evil stepmothers in fairy tales: those used to be mothers in the stories, but that didn't quite fit the burgeoning bourgeois tastes that were served by these fairy tales. Clearly motherhood had to be this sacred thing in the equally sacred nuclear family. So double whammy on the stepmoms: not real mothers and clearly not a real part of the ideal family.
Especially with stories like these, of course they got changed all the time, pretty much every generation. There may have been versions with more present ("pagan") deities, there may have been thousands of local variations with names, foods, clothing in the stories. These are archetypal stories that are pretty much there to be a mirror of their time. So I fully agree that Disney is just a part of that tradition, even in yet again reworking the stories with more supposedly woke angles, as some corners of the internet like to decry. That's just the nature of these stories and in a sense, of all stories.
TL;DR: I agree.
@@tau.r.u The stories in the Grimm collections changed a lot between editions, very true. The reason isn't that surprising either - Wilhelm did most of the work on the editions past the first, and changed morals and characters within the stories to align better with christian beliefs. If I remember right (it's been a while since I read the history of the Grimm stories) the church invested quite heavily into the later editions as good ways to teach the masses "good" morals. Jacob only really contributed to the collection of the stories, and the first edition.
A lot of the darker elements of the stories were heavily toned down, and many of the more characters/contrivances that would come to the heroes' rescue were changed from being folklore-ish to angels, God, etc.
The first edition is no-doubt editorialised, and many stories will have been omitted, but the difference between it and later/final editions is fascinating, and seeing more modern interpretations of the stories is as much so.
It was all going so well for Ben until it wasn't 😢
was so excited to see ben play alela and then he gets one shot immediately 😭
One of my favorite commander shows. For the banter/dynamic between the players, but also because shay and I seem to build a lot of the same or similar decks. So it's fun to see them in action from a 3rd person view. 🔥🔥
Blake failing to heed his own advice *but* staying true to his word.
We have a new year tradition of playing EDH all night, and we're playing all the wackiest variants. Plain chase, rivals of Ixalan, fog of war, archenemy, 2 headed giant, 8 players edh...and most of us, drunk, or sleepless
glad to see Blake back
You know, that is one of the better "I would love to see that" follow ups I've seen.
Great to see Blake back!!
blake not listening to himslef was pure comedy welcome back bro
Very fun to see the Planar Championship back!!
I never faked illness, but my mother correctly believe in "mental health days" which I did use to the legal maximum. I'd just tell her "can't do it today" and then I'd just take the day off.
Missed the draw from sacrificing mindstone
My friend got me into yall recently and as of the end of this episode I did exactly what our King, CGB, has commanded: I have liked, I have commented, I. Have. Sub-Scribed.
I foresee a flu-cursed king.
Although yen is much less valuable than USD, 50 million is still worth 324,960.20 USD. If you wanted the crown to not be worth that much you should’ve used a smaller number because even after googling the least valuable currency in the world (Iranian rial) and doing the conversion, it would still be worth 1,188 USD.
HECK yeah Blake is back
Great game. Great watch!
I love Eldraine and fairytales in general! It would be nice to see full flavor decks without any cards which do not fit the theme. I build many of my decks in this style, it forces me to check different cards and building is fun in that way too.
Korvuld would be first guess
Ben, He's never been sick a day in his life, faked an old football injury to save face but also marry the girl of his dreams, Ben took up a job at the stadium doing security, he was very good at profiling bad guys, Ben survived a train accident, he was the only survivor, Ben has a hard time with swimming, it's like his only weakness, Water is blue, Ben struggles with blue... Ben is universes beyond M. Knight Shamalan Superman/Bruce Willis.
So 50 million yen is worth 324960.20 USD at time of typing. I have my doubts about the cost of the crown 🤔
turns out I was very wrong lmfao
As a fellow Michigander I feel obligated to answer the did you ever fake sick to stay home question from CGB. I faked so hard I got home schooled for a year to play Halo.
Finally the full crew is back!
I recently played elfball while pretty drunk and it was best worst experience ever. My plays for didn't make any damn sense but I was having the most fun. Would recommend drunk elfball. You could even take a shot for each elf token you generate. Or maybe better not because you'd probably die
Flu Blake is somehow even funnier and sarcastic 😂😂😂
The production value of this is going crazy with a crown worth nearly 325 thousand dollars price money for just one plane. Wizards really needs to pick up the slack take note and step up their tornament prize money
6:34 TLC’s least favourite land
At least now you know why the "Banned as a Commander" rule should've stayed when Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro took over the format.
For mossborn hydra, do lands entering at the same time double the counters separately? For example, if it had 8 counters and 2 lands entered, would it add 8 counters twice? Or add 8 then 16? I ask because scute swarm has a similar problem
Yes, they double separately. The lands enter at the same time, which triggers the hydra twice. So both triggers are on the stack, the first resolves, doubling the counters. When the second trigger resolves, it counts the counters at that time, doubling again. Basically it goes from 8 to 16 and then to 32.
With scute swarm it is a little different, because only the swarms in play see the two lands entering. The newly generated swarms haven’t seen any lands entering when the second trigger resolves. So 8 swarms create 8 new swarms twice, going to 24 instead of 32 like with the hydra.
Shae had an infinite loop that got missed in the camp link and the Vito you gain you drain when you drain you gain when you gain you drain etc.
Protect ben at all costs
Comeon Blake you literally said the worst thing your deck can do is not kill him first and than you get so easily swayed to give him time to find something ^^
Sometimes we have crazy endings, this game was exactly what you expect.
Famously fair plane that Eldraine...
Perfect timing! Let's goo
Blake's intro pic with the crown was totally bait!
Drunk or Ill? How about Drill?
I actually never faked being sick as a kid. If I wanted to skip school (very rarely), I let my mom know and usually had a good reason why. It was straight up for legitimate reasons. Lol
People make a big mistake in thinking fairy tales are light hearted and whimsical. Just like the fairies want.
Grate game every one that was surprising to see how good korvolt was i can never get the one i have to work that wall
Episode 134, the wpcs gang discovers edibles
I could be wrong but I do think on that last turn, if Vito was activated to give creatures lifelink, CGB dies! Since the enchantments would have been seperate instances of life gain right? No shade at all, just a fun interaction I thought!
Love this game and love you guys! Always have fun watching your content.
Dont think so as no damage was dealt therefore no lifelink would be applied. Although if Shay did not attack with the flyer she would have had a flying blocker with lifelink that CGB had to answer before attacking in with Korvold as vito would have drained him out because Bloodletter had lifelink from one of the enchantments
the creatures still aren't doing damage directly since eriette doesn't do the damage herself. so CGB just kinda wins either way due to being able to sac his blockers
Ohhh she didnt actually deal damage. Sick play on CGBs part then, viscera seers a menace!
And looking back, it seems like she was fully planning to do that too, he just beat her there with the sacrificing
nice first ramp by Ben...
I wasn't able to get out of school by faking sick because my parents had a rule: you only stay home from school if you have a fever or are throwing up.
Ok, so MTG the drinking game: Do you drink when you deal damage or when you take damage? Conveniently, in commander you have 40 life which is exactly how many ounces there are in a bottle of malt liquor. So, do you drink from your opponent's bottle or do you drink from your own? Obviously, when you gain life you add that from additional drinks outside the game.
I have not seen scoot mob in a while :)
3 cool decks and Korvold... looks unbalanced
NGL Korvold is a sweaty commander choice here.
UA-cam forced me to start watching this, I don't know if I'm gonna watch this mesa falcon guy video... maybe next one.
Grace! She passed away 30 years ago!
I think I got what they had just watching this ^^
I’ve definitely faked being sick. And now my son tries to pull the same moves I did to get out of going to school lol
I'm 37 and I still fake sick to avoid my responsibilities 😂
50 million yen is 325k in US dollars
Anyone else think the crew should change seats to add some variety?
Damn, I'm never this early to a video lmao.
I faked being well so I don't stay home
was literally last night we were all blitzed and smoked
Long may he reign
I really hope Blake didn't have Covid...
I don't think I ever faked being sick. I was a little nerd.
Let us know if you get sick, CGB.
Oh I just assumed Ben always played drunk.
Missed chance by Blake to play an infect deck.
"it's like a thousand for a dollar"
Buddy, if you want to give me that "worthless" 50 million yen just let me know where do I sign up, I don't mid some 50k USD extra
Not hate but really confused. I dont understand, every time they said CGB is the problem, and they removed another player instead. Why?
Are they held hostage to be there against their will?
The threat assessment here is honestly very straightforward.
In a vacuum, CGB likely has the strongest deck at the table, with his only major rival in that respect being Blake. But Ben quite literally asked for that attack, and while CGB would kill Blake eventually, there were very good odds that if Ben untapped he could have killed Blake immediately (and would have; there's not much reason to let someone who's going to swing a 128 power trampler next turn live). Every token Ben made was a 6/5 flying vigilance, and that number grew with every enchantment he cast. That's a very dangerous person to leave alive, and you have to kill the person who's going to kill you now, not the person who's going to kill you in four turns.
And then the rest of the game did acknowledge that absent an immediate threat CGB was the problem. On the subsequent attack, Blake did attempt to kill CGB but was stopped. And on Shea's turns, she was generally putting her damage at CGB and forcing him to deal with Blake, who didn't really have damage of his own to pressure back with unless he untapped again.
@@Kestral287 CGB also basically needed EXACTLY an exile card or he was doomed. he had exactly the answer he needed when he needed it. it was probably the right move to just delete ben and try to delete CGB immediately after but CGB just had that exact answer. play this game another 10x with hydra on board like that and CGB loses most of those.
@thatepicwizardguy Yup. Sucks that he had it but I'd probably play it exactly Blake's way every time.
@Kestral287 i guess because my playstyle is quite different hence my treat assessments are different too. Thanks for the input
i am very disappointed by the fact that tiny tates are not weed cookies
Does lifelink work with infect?
Yes. Infect causes a source to "deal damage in the form of poison or -1/-1 counters". This still counts as dealing damage and therefore gains you life with lifelink. It's a bit weird, but that's how infect officially works. It doesn't prevent you from dealing damage, it just changes the effects of that damage (poison counters instead of life loss for players and and -1/-1 counters instead of marked damage for creatures, normal damage to planeswalkers and battles).
No decklist for Ben?
I only faked being ill once when I was 9 yo and home alone. It was raining outside and I said my nose is bleeding 🤣
CGB was right.. its 38
I mean if we’re talking REAL fairy tales, they’re very adult and dark.
Show me..what..you….got….. 😅
Mesa Falking
So much for killing CGB, Blake. Korvold and korvold players are KOS
So happy to see CGB play Korvold. He was my first comander before I knew he was popular and hated.....
Drunk or sick? Why not both?
Average green card, a 3 mana 64/64 with trample. Surprised it doesn't draw cards or make x token creatures or something when it dies.
slways go for the korvold player first
I've never faked an illness because I'm sick af 🤙
Playing with a sick person, and they keep touching their faces…
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I dont get why you would play Korvold here. And even more I dont get why they didnt all team up against him. Korvold always wins.
Let's be real. The worst thing you can do with these commanders is play these commanders. (Except Alela. She fine.)
I miss Gina and Stokes :(
First!
The crown is worth roughly 325 Dollar :o