XC Race Bike Vs Trail Hardtail | Which Is The Better Mountain Bike?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- A Stallion vs a Donkey. A Supercar against an SUV. Neil and Blake compare their favourite hardtails. Both bikes might have a solid rear end, but that's where the similarities end...
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Neil's on a top of the range Canyon Exceed CF SLX, an all out cross country racing machine. It's got steep head angles and short travel. It's light. It's fast. How does it compare?
Blake's riding the Nukeproof Scout, an aluminium do it all trail bike. With wider tyres, a dropper seatpost and aggressive geometry. It might be heavier, but there is very little that this can't do.
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Which bike would you choose? Let us know!
Global Mountain Bike Network definitely nukeproof better for jumping around
Nukeproof - one do it all!
Nukeproof
Global Mountain Bike Network I guess I have more of a trail hardtail that I use to race
If I could only have one bike - the Nukeproof.
BUT!
If I could have two ... Enduro and a cheaper XC bike. Something I can afford to maintain.
I ride my XC bike like a trail/enduro cause I can’t afford a different bike and it gets sketchy sometimes but that’s what makes it fun
Sebastian Glenn You can still ride some crazy shit even on xc hardtails
Yesto mine is a full suspension but I honestly wish it was a hard tail. Yeah I’ve seen some pretty crazy shit being ridden on an XC bike and it’s awesome watching people push the limits of their bike.
Sebastian Glenn really? I hear having rear suspension saves a significant amount of energy in XC
I ride trials on my XC bike. I feel like it’s the best option for trials and trails.
Hey, put a wider bar, shorter stem and some Minions on the bike and boom you have a xc trail bike!
£1,699 is affordable? I'm in the wrong job!
it is, if ur comparing it to the other bike for 4,5k
4,5k is affordable... compared to a ferrari
2nd hand baby
Complain more
You could buy a motorbike for that money.
I am so freaking stoked hardtails are getting so much love lately! It always makes me sad when people apologize for only having a hardtail. 😔 Love the bike you've got and let's go ride!
A-MEN!
Won't get me apologizing for having a hardtail. Nor will you get me back on a soft girly bike (aka full sus) ;)
Hardtails become fun when u have tested full suspension. There is just something in hardtails... they are fun.
I always do these trails in the vid on a hardtail. Only done the first drop in the woods on a full sus
I love my Scott Scale 29"!! It will humble you to no end and make you respect every trail you ride on. It'all about riding skills for me.
Loving the camera chase style, feels like I'm riding with them
Backwards???
There’s some really interesting comments about this video. I largely take from this that both bikes are out of a lot of mtb enthusiast’s price bracket. I saved months to get myself a high end carbon race bike but it
would be great to see GMBN review two bikes between £500-1000. We’ve all had these bikes and importantly it makes you appreciate what you have now!
Only 1500 so 'ok to lock up outside the pub' - spoken like a man who doesn't pay for bikes . .
T Noltae well if you get a bike lock with an insurance payout you're likely to have less trouble claiming a 1600 bike than a bike worth over 4k. I don't even think there is a bike lock with an insurance payout to cover the xc bike.
And here I am taking the wheels and seat off my $400 bike to run in a store for 2 mins while it’s on my car carrier like a schmuck.
Spoken from somebody who isn't living in poverty. I leave my £3000 alloy road bike outside where I work... It's insured.
An indication of his, er, IQ perhaps: He seems to have problems stringing a sentence together.
Exactly - I have enormous respect for the GMBN crew but they do need to reality check every so often. That Nukeproof would be jackpot for a thief regardless of what you locked it with.
I like that you started including the price of the bikes in the videos, adds extra info on the comparison
Blake: the full saying actually goes like this: "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one". Which is very fitting for your nukeproof vs Neil's Canyon.
r00t 1010 I did not know that!
it actually doesn't
english.stackexchange.com/questions/408782/is-jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none-really-just-a-part-of-a-longer-proverb
I want that Nukeproof! That bike is sick.
you can get one for 500 quid or so less that has tektro brakes and shimano deore shifting everything else is the same realy nice bike for the money its a nukeproof scout aswell just a cheaper modek
Might be the greatest GMBN edit/comparison. The camera leading the riders on the trail was a great visual.
Thanks IronicStompin!
This is the kind of video we hardtail fans want!
I ride a Trek Roscoe 8 27.5+ hardtail. It's much like the Nukeproof in this video and I love the ride and cornering ability. XC bikes are awesome on flats and straightaways, but I'm all trail rider all the way.
I like this GCN style rear view recording
Filming and editing in this video is top notch. Great riding too, of course, lads.
That intro b-roll! Soooooo good!
im new to mountain bikes and just scored me a 2013 specialized epic comp 29er love the front and rear suspension on it been looking at doing alot of xc this summer on it
I race on a Carbon hardtail, they are rapidddd, I've taken mine to BPW for training and its insane going down red runs!
Towards the End of the video
Should have SWITCHED RIDERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and compared the Rides
You can visibly tell the difference in body position and where each one helps or hurts depending on the position of the rider. Super cool to see these side by side
I gotta say, I have a full enduro bike, and a hardtail (or workhorse). And something I've notice is that even though the enduro bike is the spoiled bike (the one I've spent the most money on) it's the hardtail the one I ride the most, and the most versatile. I use it for commuting to work, XC, and even enduro (when the other bike is at the workshop), and I just love it!. Yes, you'll go slower than a full enduro bike, or a XC bike, but that won't erase the smile on your face. Actually, I'm most likely to change my enduro bike in a near future than my hardtail.
Thanks for doing my video suggestion. I suggested it in the last video and u guys smashed it and brought it to the fans. Thanks GMBN .
Anybody else love watching these guys ride? And I also love their conversation. Super appreciate the videos GMBN posts...
Once again, Blake: the voice of reason and wisdom on the channel
I've installed a 150 mm reverb on my xc carbon racing bike. I feel much more in control on downhill parts now, without being afraid of getting thrown over the bars by the saddle.
We approve of that upgrade!
Alright, who's bike was creaking?
ThunderStruckCoach it was so loud - it would really do my head in!
Neil's was definitely the creaky one on the climb
This sound is called press fit
Sorry! Just fixed it, my BB was very dry
That's wwhat she said!!
I’m miss these types challenge series. Ive learned so much from these type of videos.
I have been riding the canyon exceed for over a year now. Added a 150 mm reverb dropper and 2.3 ikons and it is a great xc/trail racer.
I've been wanting to move over to a full susser this year but the more I see Blake tearing it up I feel like I want another hard tail!
I never understand how those XC guys don't get thrown off by the saddle. Speaking for myself, the dropper post surely is the best invention EVER.
I agree, even on my XC racing, I run a 100mm dropper
Practice mate. I do downhill stuff with sadle up. It never blocks my abbility's
Yoo!! That jersey that Blake has is MONEY!
Excellent comparison video guys, thanx for answering my question I had since day one. Wether there are XC specific hardtails and trail/enduro specific hardtails. Always thought their design philosophy was the same. Turns out i was wrong :)
This is an honest video. Good job!
Blake was on fire with the jersey and sending jumps on clipless! Nice!!
so many variables when trying to decide what bike to get.
One of each would be nice but if that's not an option the lads at GMBN will test them all and let you make up your own mind.
Loving the channels lads,
Keep it up 👍
Love the music at the beginning xD
Ive actually been and ridden here, thought i recognised it!! Charterhouse is beautiful
I’m on a lower end xc bike right now. I mostly ride rough trails. This video got me really excited to get a proper trail bike soon.
Awesome! Let us know what you get 👍
Global Mountain Bike Network Well, because I live in the US (so sadly no Nukeproof or Vitus bikes) my best option seems to be a Diamondback. Most likely a Mason 2 when it’s back in stock. :)
The nukeproof it looks so nice
Thanks for helping
Hardtails are so much fun! I builed up a Dartmoor Primal last week and its nuts!
i love the comparison. thankyou GMBN
This channel is so good, the content and the action shots are on a whole other level.
Thanks Ronald Tartaglia! We work hard!
Global Mountain Bike Network it shows, totally pro channel.
Which bike would I pick? Both! But with the same wheel size, and dropper on both. The alu frame for general riding and training, the carbon for racing. However the costs of both bikes in this vid made me cringe. I never spent more the $1400 USD on a mtb. And raced over 40 races in sport class (Norba, CORPS, local series events), & 4 endurance races. Maybe if I was expert/elite, and made 2x of what I made now, of course these 2 would be an option. Love the vid, none the less! Keep up the good work guys!
Sick video as always.. Love the edit
XC bikes are usually more affordable, I've got a 1000 € xc bike myself (scott aspect 920) and it handles really well on the trail inspite of the 100 mm of travel, that's because of the plus size tires that absorb a lot of shock and make the bike more forgiving, I know that for any future bike I'll own, I'll probably make it a priority to change the tires to something bigger if it doesn't have big ones already, changing tires is probably the best "cheap" upgrade you can give to your bike that makes a big difference to the kind of riding you have, so in my opinion the trail hardtail if priced at around 1600 isn't the most compeling option, a good entry level XC should be bought at around 700 and could totally ride trails (with no big drops), if fitted with right tires. Testing out a 1700 € good quality enduro full suspension that was lended to me by a friend, I'm pretty sure that for more extreme trails, the full sus is the way to go instead of the similarely priced trail hardtail, but of course, some riders will prefer the hardtail for it's easier maintenance, less weight and perhaps different handling so your choice I guess, both seem fine to me
Very simple: When it´s a CC-race, i will go for the CC-bike. For the fact that my last CC-Race was in 1998 and i never did a marathon, i will always choose the "work-horse" because it will take me everywhere, with proper comfort and speed, creating the fun i need.
.... "or a-loom-in-um" lol!
Did Blake use clips? Great video!
About to write the same. He did!
do you know Blake shoes?
26 inch ragley blue pig mk1. Still feels epic and able to ride it just as quickly as those on big bikes :-)
I’m not sure why, but you guys look strange not wearing knee pads on this haha! Great vid though 👏🏻🤘🏼
rad video! love the different editing style! and all that Hardtail LOVE!!!
Neil I think your super light bike is CREAKING AS HELL :D :D
Awwwwww Blake was showing off !! Awesome
I like the looks of the Canyon, nice color as well
Perhaps only the experts or the one who's riding bikes for years could see the difference between an XC or Trail bike. For newbies like me, as long as it has air fork (or sometimes even coil spring fork), I'll pedal it like hell regardless of terrain as logn as not water nor snow.. haha.
Great video. The trail bike looked significantly more effortless coming downhill...way more fun. I have a Diamondback Syncr 2019... Which is almost same as the Scout trail bike in this video. I also just bought a xc racing bike for my son. Im still debating with myself if I made right choice in getting the trail bike. The trail bike is way more comfortable to ride. It feels way more solid and smooth downhill too... especially the front shocks at 140 mm travel. But a compatible sx bike is about 4 pounds lighter...and has 29 wheels. I am a team leader on my son's high school cross country team...and I typically beat 90 percent of the team riders. But the lighter xc bikes with big wheels can sometimes leave me in dust on the flat and uphill climbs no matter how good of shape I'm in...and again I'm faster than most riders...it just takes more work on bigger, heavier bike. But I plan to go on bigger mountain downhill rides when race season ends and I have no doubt it will kick any xc ass downhill.
My son does MTB and he outgrew his old bike. Buying the new one I asked him several times: are you sure this bike’s enough? The reason was that compared to his peers bikes it was a lot cheaper (66%). He kept answering me: what they got is a brand on the frame, a frame in carbon. But I have the same or better components and a lighter bike at that (entry level carbons aren’t always the lightest). Must I say I’m a super proud dad?
What is he riding?
@@virgilferrer Crescent R50 2019 (SRAM, they've changed to Shimano in 2020)
i will definetly go for blakes nukeproof scout! but @3.33 of the vid im pretty sure blake rolled over some horse poop :D
bryan :D You need to get out and ride more brah!
Rowberrow Warren, Beacon Batch, Burrington Coombe...my home turf...looks like you guys loved it as much as I do...👍
maschy pee is that actually where that is? That looks sick!!
Joel Billington Yeah it is, here's the location on MTBtrails: www.mtbtrails.info/Trail_Venue_Map_TrailViewer.aspx?VenueNumber=111&TrailNumber=173&Unique=636655106985534439
They didn't ride the best part though, the superfast rocky downhill with mini waterfall at the Burrington end of the trail...
Had two racing hard tails Trek Elite 9.8 and Superfly 29ner. Both great bikes. Now injured & older and not taking part in races or events. Wanted bike that's little more relaxed and could take bit more pushment on the trails. But still felt nible like racing HD. So went for a Giant Fathom 1. Looked at Whyte and Nukeproofe. Between two bikes on show here go for Nukeproof. If had bigger budget Sant Cruz Chameleon 27.5 Carbon.
These guys are nuts. In what world is $2000 is "affordable"?
Blake riding clips. Something I never thought would happen
Would love to see you guys do a comparison on frame material in an all-mountain aggressive hardtail, carbon vs alu vs. steel.
Love the content boys
Thanks Reid!
Premium... Premim Neil- Blake, had me dead 👌🏻
Another great, GREAT vid you guys !!
Blake is on clips!!
Wow, love the new jersey color scheme! Definitely going to get one, I'm a sucker for retro colours. As for the bike, I would go for the nukeproof since I already have an XC 29er, but the all carbon xc bike is quite alluring. Keep up the great content, you guys are singularly responsible for getting me back into mountain biking.
Glad you're liking the new designs! Send us a pick when you get one!
The chainstay is scary short on the scout
Blake your bike is so Dope! great vid Gmbn
We used to do this with bog standard Raleigh bikes from Kay's catalogue. Three speed, no suspension and thin wheels. No need for all that flash gear.
Mine was an 1985 diamondback ridgerunner II...
Little more tech than your raleigh... but pretty basic.
Used to ride down stuff that most folks wouldn't even try to walk down.
This whole can't do x or y on bike w or z is total bullshit marketing hype.
Back in the early 2000s I would ride the same trails on my so called "trail" bike as I could on my race bike. (Just not as quickly uphill)
But chose not to NOT because my race bike couldn't handle it... It was just why wear out top shelf components and expensive lightweight tires
When a cheaper spec, somewhat heavier bike could be a perfectly suitible fun training tool?
Basically, any "trail" I can't ride on a good xc bike is not something I care to ride. And I can ride an xc bike (with a climber's saddle height) on damn near anything short of a no shit downhill course.
@@stinkyfungus
My first mountain bike was a diamond back. Really nice bikes for the money.
Somebody stole it and I needed up with a really nice Carrera.
I moved on to a really good trex that could climb and climb.
I just realized the cameraman is likely also on a bike riding these trails with you guys LOL no one ever thinks about the cameraman
It’s probably not easy to keep up with Blake Sampson on a trail full of jumps and doubles no matter what bike your riding!
I can do it, just need to remove his wheels before the start 🤣🤣
This video was sickkkkk, guys! And I love how Blake is.. well, he’s Blake 🤟🏽😈 cheeky bugga.. I love the man! That wheelie riding through that bushy section was the best for me.. all in slow motion too. I can’t feel bad for jake, I’m sure he has an enduro of his own too, anyways :)
Cheers, guys! Sexy post!
Noticed how gmbns most loved sponsors all begin with a C:
Canyon, Crankbrothers, Continental.
... concussion ...
Would have been helpful if you could compare the actual geometry or the influence of the wheels. Now it's just "it depends"
as always, you have an awesome trails
TBH, I'd buy a bike that fits me and my riding style the most. My bikes are always a colorfull mixture between cheap and expensive parts.
Great video! I love my hardtail.
you can combine those bikes, for sure. Run wide carbon rims and a carbon frame with maxxis 2.6's, and spec it well. Even with a dropper post you can build a more slack trail HT that is still about 22lbs. Thats what I have done. You dont need di2 or a power meter, who cares. A 100-120mm fork, carbon frame, wheels bars, a decent groupset and bam. have fun
“Premium Neil” love that, is going to have to stick,as usuall
B.A.T.U...😀
Obviously the better design. You can already see the racer bike has more momentum during cruising and on the tougher line. For my next bike, I just might get a hardtail. The seem easier to sell too. You still can't leave Blake's bike unintended. That will get stolen too. After spelling out the SUV, I was sold on Blake's bike but with 29.
I have a full squish XC race bike that’s full carbon but a bit older and it’s the only one I have so I give it hell and hope she makes it though 😂 I love the bike though. It handles jumps super well but man do I hate super rooty sections or rock gardens with only 100mm of travel
Niel vs Blake challanges are soo friggin good.
Super cool follow shots!
Cheers Sam Bookbinder!
Depends what you want to do... Jumps and drops and DH get blake's bike... If you want to ride fast and prefer climbing and going long distance and not jumping or going on technical downhills get Neil's bike. By the way I just found a carbon hardtail race bike brand new with x0 components and it is under 1500 new. So it all depends.
They're exaggerating the fragility of the xc bike. I ride a Cannondale F-Si carbon, one of the leanest, lightest xc hardtails on the market and I take it down some sketchy stuff most wouldn't ride down with at least a trail bike. They were complaining about it being bumpy and somewhat uncomfortable, but so what? That means nothing about performance; it's still fast and light and can beat the more "aggressive" hardtail in most every race.
Shredding vid!!!🤘🤘🤘Trail bike for me....I like versatility.
Definitely the Nukeproof 100%
A light bike great for ridding uphill, a heavy one good for descend.
5:22 think you forgot to bleep something out for the kiddies 😂😂
This is late but im pretty sure he said "but everyone likes a good challenge"
Mmm Rowberrow. My favourite trail in the Mendips too. Nice editing in the only drop on it no less than 5 times :-D
My dream bike would be something like that Nukeproof Scout/Dartmoor Primal/Norco Torrent/Commencal Meta HT. Even if I could get a bike for free I'd take a more aggressive hard tail over fulsus. It might be because they are less complicated and IMO are more good looking than a fulsus specially in stealth color scheme.
you can do even more with a XC race bike. i ride my giant XTC advanced in vancouver north shore without any inconvenience in black trails with drop offs and really rough sections
For £4000 you should be bloody expecting a lot more! I'm more than happy with my new £950 cube hardtail and my Cannondale for years before that.
Cool video. I would go for the nukeproof
How are 2.2 tyres now considered the skinny option!
Cool video great music guys
Thanks for the $ and lbs