There's a lot of solarpunk that focuses on massive modernist cities living in harmony with nature. That was my main exposition to solarpunk, and assumed was the mainstream.
YES. YES YES YES I LIKE THIS IDEA. Large cities that look like forests, covered in greenery and nature. A stream cutting through the landscape with boats going up and down. Roads with horse drawn floating carriages and bicycles. A flying bus goes overhead as you travel along with a field of livestock on your left, a dog on your right. You pull a little cart with carrots inside, to your home that's a massive tree. Leaves soaking up light to power the lanterns at night. You see your mother in the window, a phonograph playing a tune as she cooks. Your father stands on the porch, and the dog runs to him. Your neighbor is out, sitting next to the community lake. He's asleep with a rod at his side.
Yea but they're crushing the solar punk vibe though. 😂 Few things persuade me, commercial-wise, but that one comes very close to swaying me into buying their product.
unfortunatly there products are the only thing in the origonal flim not in sustainable packaging, whitch is proberbly why none of them made it into the clips used in the video. i think its a realy good short though, and i must agree, the aniimation is impeccable. somone re-uploaded a version a while back with all the brand logos removed and it realy was worth watching
@@bencharlwood8042 LMAO You're right! That didn't even occur to me that the only thing not sustainable in their videos is their own products. (The packaging at least) 🤣
They almost never show where all the materials for the tech comes from in solar punk. No factories, no mines, no refineries and that just makes it unbelievable.
@funnelingspace9268 The solar punk planet wouldn't be the origin planet of the species, or the first ships would be made in a past non-solarpunk era, before they start to be made in factory planets
@@TotoMoon157 No she's not. She knows what she's talking about. If it was a utopia, there would be no themes of rebellion or anti-establishment or non-conformity because there would be nothing to rebel against. Cyberpunk is anti-dystopian tech and tends to be focused on the loss of humanity aspect, solar punk is exactly the same but it's more focused on loss of nature than humans.
You should watch Scavengers Reign, it’s not as whimsical looking as this show they’re talking about, but it’s more dystopian and grim. Still it’s all futuristic and sci-fi :)
@@emstink utopia art is a type of modernity punk, that reject modern trends and explore other possibilities for a better future and move closer to a utopian world.
Ok I have no way of knowing the way she meant it but if I said it I’d mean: the selling point of many communes is a sort of separation from the reliance on the outer free market in favor of an isolated self regulating system that promises paradise like results, in the current almost definitionly dystopian society we DO live in there are malicious cults that prey on very real people who fall for illusions so many individuals mistake optimism for flagrant colorful scams.
I think we've been brainwashed to think any kind of lifestyle outside of the norm, where people work together for the good of humanity and ecology is immediately a cult, or utopic delusions
I think what she meant is that solarpunk feels so utopian, clean and perfect that it become eerie and uncanny. Edit: plus cults often have an ”in touch with nature” attitude like depicted in midsummer or the real life manson family.
It might depend on how people in the lower classes are treated. On one hand, you could have most of the working classes being forced to work their asses off in factories with horrible conditions while the rich live in prosperity, while on the other, such jobs could be done by robots with regulations so that humans treat them with care since they help the economy so much, and the lower class humans are also treated with respect as well.
I would pay good money for an "anything-punk" idea/concept/vision materialized in a book, movie, TV series, etc. that was NOT dystopian! Whatever happened to optimism in media? Is hope now regarded as naïve‽
@@rolandmeyer3729 some “punk” genres are inherently dystopian (cyberpunk is almost always a combination of lowlife and high tech), but I can see a utopian society with elements of steampunk and such
Cyberpunk is about the people that stay in the megalopolis because they have no choice/don't know how to live anywhere else, whie Solarpunk is the people that chose to live away from the megalopolis. They could totally exist in the same setting if the lands outside the dystopia city aren't just barren nuclear wastelands or just more dystopia cities.
@Someone-sq8im I mean, having to hazard a guess having seen the ad, most of the products (fruit, electricity, housing) has a large emphasis on making your own products (or as much of it as feasible) Especially since cyberpunk dystopias are victims of monopolies using capital to distance individuals from any meaningful work that benefits them. Similar to modern day work, where the labor you perform typically isn't for YOU, but rather for someone else
not just manual labour, see how sparse the population is. solarpunk always shows this kind of vistas and I think it's because solarpunk is kind of whats going to happen after a huge population crash recovery. Like 9billion humans going to 2-3billion humans
@@coffeeking9565monopolies and corporations are not the same thing, and you use them interchangeably. cyberpunk isn't bad because of corporations, it's just not the same type of individual-based evolution for technology that solar punk appears to aim for.
Actually to make Solarpunk happen you need to cut alot of automation because automation is what consume a lot of energy, the society is based on "conservation" Without sacrificing efficiency, Meaning cutting excess and only using power for essential production process the rest of non essential like packaging, sorting or storing is using manual labor. Like making a cake for example. The ingredients is manually loaded while the power is used for baking and making the dough and putting the topping, the rest like wrapping, putting cake in box, sealing, storing and delivery using manual labor.
What these solarpunk concepts dont show are all the factories, mines, workers, and logistical hubs used in the production of the glass, metal, concrete, and electronics present in the video. It comes across to my eyes as a hidden dystopia where a subset of people live in a utopia and the rest are hidden working class, not shown on screen, working for the bidding of the solarpunk utopia. Also, theres a reason why we dont let vegetation grow out of control in our homes... If we could without bringing downsides, many would have already.
No workers, robots. In an utopia only those who want to work/ oversee the robots would work. They had a harvest robot in this ad, so they would have other robots too.
Even games like subnautica know the you can't just magically summon raw materials to make anything because as a rule or the universe you can't create or destroy matter, so all those machines and infrastructure had to have some sort of supply chain of resources to build and maintain it.
@@immortalsunit’s called Dear Alice and it’s right here on UA-cam! The composer for the video is the same as the Ghibli movies, so it amplifies the Ghibli vibes. But if you meant the newest movie by Miyazaki that’s showing in theaters, it’s called « The Boy and the Heron ». I definitely enjoyed it!
The animation by the youtube team 'The Line' is amazing. Even if it is an ad, i still love the work and design that went into it. Dear Alice (the specific animation) deserves to be a movie or series, not just a yogurt ad
I don’t see how they could engineer a plot into this without making it look like environmentalism propaganda. It is hopelessly difficult to put together an engaging or emotional story without gaping plot holes when your original setting is an utopia.
I think you could make interesting plot but it would either have to not really interact with initial setting (exploring galaxy and challenges that come with it, or external threat: hostile aliens, natural cataclism) or change the initial setting by adding dystopian layer. But it does change the actuall setting so idk if that actually counts.
Ngl, that could be worked into the solar punk movement somehow. Idk maybe it's representative of a narrow solar flare that forcefully destroys just the right heads of overindustrialisation?
As an actual punk rocker this isn’t a new concept you just invent a new term to erase history you don’t know… The term was “hippie commune” or a kibbutz
@@kayoss8787 wtf are you talking about, do you realize this is not a serious discussion and a bit of a dad joke? Like nowhere I claim anything, especially creation of a term.
@@timmygilbert4102 the point is the term is bs and all conversations on the internet includes an audience, when you are the top comment… jeesh stating the obvious to the obtuse is intellectual oblivion 🙈
@@kayoss8787 so you are saying my joke is on point? Or you didn't realize it was about the absurdity of the name and that we are agreeing? What part of a sun putting up a mohawk is making you feel I mislead people, do you know personally any sun that put a mohawk? Don't you realize that's absurd? And that it point at how meaningless the naming is? I'm taking you intellectual card, you are forbidden to cast oblivion on people because you don't pass basic comprehension test 😂 I can't believe I had to explain the joke nearly anyone got but you 🤔
Imagine people fighting over winds, tides, suns, and ocean currents, to generate enough energy, to survive, feed their stocks and keep their families out of cold. Holy shit, it’s actually a good idea of world building, reminds me of the game “Frost Punk”, even it doesn’t use renewable energy.
quick question: how do you think you are gonna manufacturing all of those piece of technology? hint: you can't produce any materials out of electricity alone.
wow i'm sure literally nobody has ever thought of that before and surely it is absolutely impossible to make things that are more efficient than they are now or of entirely new technologies
@@jordanebel328The issue is making sure that the power used to produce the hydrogen fuel is clean. Just saying “hydrogen power” doesn’t mean much in this comparison - it’s more analogous to battery power than nuclear power in that context.
Capitalism is a very vague term if your a liberal. But for any anarchist (like me 2 years ago although I don't believe in anarchism anymore) capitalism is defined as a coercion toward the worker/proletariat that is also have correlation and have similarity with the state. So the video portrayed does look like anti capitalism but definitely not anti consumerism because of advertisement. (Noted: I'm not talking about the Hollywood Anarchy, I'm talking about the real life anarchist that actually doesn't believe in a lawless society, they usually believe in a stateless society which usually have a solar punk/cyber punk vibe that is portrayed in this UA-cam short.) Edit: people really can't tell I'm joking or being serious. If you can't tell then take a break from politic, seriously politics sucks. You should take a break if you can. And also another note, this is the only comment I'm being serious with. Another Edit: Don't let my pfp deceive you it's meant for luring out stupid rightist. And don't worry I'm not discriminating for the leftist bcuz I have a photo of a gay confederate symbol in my drive for the next February and July
@@BingusLover45 bruhhhh. Good your a teen like me as well. And I hope you know that my pfp is for like trolling people rather than what I actually believe in. Anyway YES I BELIEVE IN THE IDEA OF A UTOPIA EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD NEVER HAPPENED
"... punk" genre is about the world where the technological proggress after a certain point ( the "..." in the name) is impossible and this final technology is improved to its maximum. It's not about fighting something.
Yeah, I want to see the rebellion against the oppressive green regime. Like maybe the level of oppression needed to keep us all solar and wind happy is something like the drugs in Equilibrium… whatever it is, we need something to happen lol 😂
This isn't really what solarpunk is though. The solarpunk movement doesn't ask for fancy tech and flying busses. The solarpunk movement is a call to simplify where possible, reduce consumption, to create better infrastructures for things like public transportation and walkable cities, to embrace neighhborhood gardens and to greenify, to produce less new and reuse more of what already exists, to reduce monopolies and mega corporations and bring back small businesses and small production, etc. Yeah, in storytelling, creating a fancy, futuristic, sci-fi utopia looks nice, but that's just aesthetics. Solarpunk asks for change that could help real people today, with technology that is available to people today.
@@OdinsSage again, the technology that is available to people today is built off slavery. All the minerals procured for, and the labor used to manufacture modern day "green" technology is built off of slavery. If you're ignorant to this you need to research more in to where lithium and cobalt come from.
The true theme of solar punk is that beneath the veneer of clean, technological progress is a society that is oppressive and stifling to the individual. A truly idyllic future is not “punk”. There must be a counter-culture pushing against the status quo.
I think the punk in the end is more or less there just as a meta rebellion against current systems we got going on, and because people like putting punk in the end of the setting name. Not that it would prevent a setting from being written by the outlines of an oppressive to the individual regime.
@@Adrischano the rebellion is people who dont want to live a subsistence lifestyle entirely reloant on the government, commune, whatever that provides a very metered access to electricity that they can revoke at any time in the name of "saving electricity" also the fact that you cant have a large population and one that cant help provide so eugenics and euthanasia are on the table. Renewable energy isnt all its cracked up to be
Actually not! I've seen quite a lot of solar punk examples with mega cities that have plants on the walls and roofs and stuff. Even just google image results show this.
People still live in cities, but we just didn't turn the countryside into a toxic wasteland like in most dystopias. This is the direction we are going with technology as it becomes more human-centric; as the design, materials and energy all become more ecologically and socially sustainable. The only thing solar punk ignores are the ultra wealthy acting against humanity's long term interests by profit seeking, or at least imagines that corporations have been defanged by regulations which fix all the loopholes and externalities.
@@Litepawit is impossible, just because there is enough space for people doesn't mean that space is habitable, considering much of it is ocean, deserts, and mountains. Which means those areas cant be agricultural or even liveable without advanced structures or terraforming.
This video isnt Solarpunk. To be Solarpunk it would need to demonstrate inherent issues with a Solar-focused society. It would need to target issues like how the batteries used to store solar energy are strip-mined from the Earth while people pretend its somehow better for the environment than other energy alternatives. You could go more extreme with the theme by creating a set of laws that put the protection of nature over the value of human lives. Put those two together and now you have a society that uses forced labor to perform dangerous mining operations outside of the public eye that lives in their shallow Solar Utopia. There's plenty of great things that can be used with an idea like Solarpunk, but all I see are people acting like it should be all beautiful perfection and harmony.
If anything it would be like Logan's Run with population controls where they have to kill off the elderly and grow the next generation in labs to keep a handle on such a dispersed rural society. As well things like rockets and space travel would be too expensive so any expansion is banned. After all you can't run a rocket engine with wind. Plus outside of select jobs it seems most people are stuck at subsistence farming. Some people say there would still be cities with rooftop gardens to sustain them but that won't produce enough to feed a whole building of people for a year, unless you make the buildings long and wide which cuts down on actual farmland. Like you said it also gets into all of the ores and materials needed for these robots and panels and batteries. Which would most likely be moved to the harshest climates where farming can't be done. So the eco friendly manpower focused mines in Alaska and Siberia, after all to avoid pollution from machines you'll need people with pickaxes. Whole regions of the world will be abandoned due to the climates in this, or turned into nothing but endless fields of solar panels and turbines. The whole of death valley and the Sahara being an endless field of solar panels, wide stretches of the oceans being built over with turbines. A lot of forests will need to be clear cut and mountains removed to make way for more farms. All of this under the guise of "look we're saving the planet, this is all so renewable." Something like that would make it actually punk.
You hit the nail on the head, and then SPRINTED in the opposite direction! What are the characters rebelling against in your story? This isn't some kind of punk, this is 50 people who decided to form a commune.
@@samasoku at time of writing i have 11 likes. 11 separate people gave tacet approval of my comment. I thought i was clear enough, but if you really want me to explain... sure, i can do that. She says what a punk story is at the start. Then, This cloud punk setting she describes is NOT a punk story. ... She was correct when she defined what a "*-punk" story is. These types of stories are supposed to involve a rebellion. They're about chatacters fighting against a larger system in some way. She then contradicts her own definition. She describes people who are *working together* in a giant collective. And she calls this story setting "punk" because it goes against the industrial norm. This is not a punk story! It would be punk if (just to give a few examples): 1) the setting was largely INDUSTRIAL, and characters discovered a bunch of technologies that the societal elite had repressed, and were fighting to reveal it to a poluted world. --- 2) it were set in a world of turbines, farming, and zeppelins, & the society is fending off sky pirates. The main character tasked with hunting pirates/saboteurs discovers the REAL reason for prosperity in the floating world is because the society is actually stealing from other cities. The "pirates" are actually agents working against the sky empire. --- 3) A traveler comes to the sky town, falls to the "lowest level" and finds out that the people on the ground are at the mercy of a crime boss. And, in fighting to liberate the people, the traveler finds out that the "crime boss" is a sanctioned part of the local gov. And the agricultural portion of society is built on a more literal form of wage slavory. --- 4) 2 prisoners escape from one collective and seek shelter in another. While in the towns, they're recognized and are pushed into hiding by the society. After being separated, one finds out that they're breading humanity in a big eugenics project. The upper class is bread for their mental prowess, the lower classes for physical strength and resistance to disease. Meanwhile the OTHER one ingraciates himself to a powerful upper-class family. It becomes a tale of "brother vs brother" when the "smarter" of the 2 chooses a place among the mental elite, over his former cell-mate's morality. Get it???
Solarpunk aesthetic appears in a lot of Ghibli movies, and is usually existing in opposition to distinctly Dieselpunk aesthetic villains. I agree with a different comment that it really should be called Cottagecore-Futurism.
@@avroarchitect1793 no carbon neutrality, no solar panels, no deal 🥺 modern farms don’t coexist with the environment, they radically change it and soon destroy it, and i’ll have no part in that 😖
Solar Punk seems divisive in a more subtle way than say Cyber Punk would be. There would be several ethical, cultural and political implications to consider to obtain and maintain such a utopian world.
I don't think it has to be utopian. It's more a matter of necessity. It's a realistic/reasonable future that we can get to while maintaining most of our current values of liberal democracy to manage disagreements.
When something has a punk aesthetic, it's because the element emphasized is meant to be a bad thing, or is somehow corrupt from its intention. Solarpunk implies that there would be some corresponding oppressive force to enforce the values of this world. Maybe anyone who uses energy for personal or unauthorized use, even if it's abundant, would be punished.
Wow, you don't know what punk is, do you? Punk is rebellion. It is not synonymous with "bad" or "dystopian". Solarpunk is a genere defined by its rebellion against the industrial focused, capitalistic, climate destroying culture we currently live in. It dares to think of a future where technology and nature can live in harmony, and where humans play an active role in preserving that harmony.
@@OdinsSage You know you're punk when you side with the megacorps and the government. There's nothing punk about being part of a huge movement and following every Earth Day hashtag and carbon neutral climate pledge. If Amazon is doing it, there's no counter culture in following that lead. Oh, you have an electric car, just like the government wants you to? Punk requires contrast and aggression, or else you aren't fighting anything, you're just being.
@@erikm8707no, they are correct. I’m an environmental specialist that helps mining companies avoid polluting and disrupting the ecosystem around their operations. It’s you and the OP that have no idea what they are talking about, suggesting that all solutions for cleaner factories and mining is a fantasy. When we are literally implementing solutions as you talk 💩 on the internet.
" cleanest" And no. It is the cheapest way to achieve the "cleanest" step to a truly clean future but isn't clean till you find somewhere to store the radioactive waste and dispose of the "mildly" radioactive reactor building at the end of its life. Don't bother bugging me with your propaganda, we both have heard it for decades, I'm just putting the counter argument up so you don't get to talk twaddle unopposed.
@@bobkoroua It has no carbon emissions. The rocks become less radioactive after we use them and we store them in a less concentrated form when we're done with it. The only nuclear waste that doesn't get removed and cleaned is tritium which is literally water and is found naturally in the ocean. Please, tell me what is bad about nuclear energy. We perfected it 30 years ago. Dangerous things like Chernobyl only happen when dumb government officials tell the nuclear power plants to remove all safety measures. The nuclear bombs in Japan have even been cleaned so much that you can stand at ground 0 and get less radiation than you would from the potassium in a banana. So please, tell me again how nuclear power is bad.
@@bobkoroua you, friend, are the propagandist here. Stop with the fear mongering and learn about nuclear energy, it's the least scary form of energy. Even the solar panels are worse because they don't break down in nature at all, unlike nuclear materials which usually have a half life of around 30-50 years
That the ironic part. If you want to work with solar energy alone (and some pro's do like their communism) you have to destroy the whole nature to have "enough" energy.
The reason we can’t get to this point is because certain people that live in big cities have no idea how humans harmonically interact with nature but the public keeps listening to them for some reason .
And humans in more rural regions statistically tend to be worse at harmonically interacting with other humans. Kinda makes sense, honestly, living in a city, you are surrounded by other people, you can't go anywhere or do anything without brushing up against people. Often people who may look, sound, or behave nothing like you. Sure there is more conflict in a city, yes. However two things, one must consider how insanely dense cities are, and that conflict also drives their populations to having more conflict avoidance and resolution skills. Both ends of the spectrum have something important to bring to the table.
@@gearhead743 a completely made up statistic based on anecdotal data from fringe racist groups in the US. A group of people that have been dwindling for decades now. When examining per capita violent crime it’s plain to see that urban settings still have far more than rural areas and that’s consistent worldwide. So much so that the coping idea of “it’s cause cities are densely populated” is moot at best and an intentional misrepresentation of the data at the worst. Your plainly ignorant statement just further proves my point that most urbanites don’t know anything about life outside of cities whether it be natural or human. So no both ends of the spectrum dont bring important things to the table. I’ve lived in cities my entire life and I’m tired of fools living in smogged and poisoned cities telling people that live outside of those areas that THEY are somehow less knowledgeable on how to interact with nature or worse that they are part of the problem. Of course that is to say not all rural people are like this but they don’t preach at the public their false bill of goods as if they are somehow subject matter experts like those in cities do when they’ve spent little or no time outside of their cities.
Says@@gearhead743, who was a complete asshole to everybody he met when he left the city, and then found it very rude when they beat his ass for it. Now he hides in the city, talking about what jerks those country folk were for not tolerating his behavior the way these highly refined and educated city folk do.
That commercial has all kinds of things being randomly high technology. You see that hovering bus for example. Solarpunk is about being careful with technology.
Perhaps hovering buses, if executed correctly, could be a good thing and a way to be careful with technology- you could get places without damaging grass or brush, perhaps you could even travel over marshes and things like that without disrupting them, and it could avoid hitting animals as well, depending on how high it hovers/how large the animals are. To achieve all of this, it would have to meet some criteria: I already mentioned its hovering height, but also HOW it hovers would be an issue, (making sure it doesn't effect whatever it's hovering over- though obviously if anything hovered over plants for a long time they'd begin to lack sunlight, but I mean heat/chemicals. We don't want to burn trails into the grass.) and how much sound pollution it makes, because sound does disturb wildlife.
@@NighttimeDaydreamsperhaps more underground roads may help? Depending on how their made, there might be disruption to the ground above them but if dug at the correct depth it wouldn't be too bad, there are ways to do that. Many underground or through-mountain roads often have fume chimney things to stop the air getting toxic in the tunnels but electric vehicles don't have that as much of a problem as well.. I don't know. It works for trains. It could work for cars perhaps. Maybe underground tram systems or something like the underground
@@abgacha1247 Yeah, that's a great idea, that sounds really cool. The downsides to that would be it would require a lot of heavy machinery to dig, (and tech to make sure you're not gonna hit something dangerous) it could get really hot/cold down there, they could easily flood in storms (though there are probably ways that could be minimized), and they'd probably require a lot of upkeep. Also it would be dark and depressing, like subways lol. Idk, unless they've got artificial natural lighting down by then, and grew plants down there, which would be really cool.
It's funny how linguistic drift affects certain terms. Like how the term "capitalism" historically referred to peasants having exclusivity to the fruits of their own labor, but through various propaganda & popular misconceptions some people use the term completely differently.
That's a pre-industrial definition though. Capitalism now refers to how the owners of the means of production (capitalists) can take value from other people's labor (workers)
@@meri5012 well that in itself is directly opposite to the traditional definition and we have to look at the exegesis of where such a misconception originates. A lot of it comes from the economic anti-Semitism movement and more specifically the "stages of capitalism" theory, a myth by Werner Sombart, a soon-to-be Nazi propagandist. Things like late-stage capitalism or end-stage capitalism or state capitalism aren't real, they're just fascist propaganda made to justify the Holocaust.
I think you'll find you do have exclusivity to the fruits of your labor. Unless you still have a Lord somewhere who owns everything you make. Inb4 hurr durr my job, no one makes you work there. Inb4 hurr durr I don't get any status or benefits if I don't work though.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Even if we claim a small portion of exclusivity manages to exist, there's really no denying that the vast majority of wealth is controlled by a separate Ruling Class consisting of the State & the Wealthy they entitle. The "Moneyed Peasants" are by no means in control of their own lives, and many of the things that people can "own" is merely held through a title that grants right-of-use which can be revoked. You don't own your car, you have a title that lets you use it, for example.
Well we do have lords owning everything these days, including most of the fruits of our labor... Who can afford a house big enough for two kids these days? Kids are worth more than some nice machines. Capitalism was this ideal of how we could prosper, but drifted to mean what you actually get when you follow it to its extremes. The best approach seems to be somewhere between capitalism and communism.
This is all I dream of creating all day every day. I never knew others also sought out such a potential future. I was unaware that such terminology existed. It makes me happy very inspiring. My truest goal in life for humanity, earthlings, mortals, is perpetual motion to have limitless energy. Which of course goes against the laws of thermodynamics, so the only true potential is pure fusion energy to self perpetuate. Including all passive forms of collecting energy. Wind, water, solar, all on conjunction with Faraday’s First Law of Electromagnetic Induction. Ultimately everything feeds into itself and each other as needed. To which you could store and stockpile for such things. Like a back up generator, that by just powering on and operating further charges something else through electromagnetic induction. Of course the ocean or rivers or streams are the best to put those paddles in and just with every wave build energy. So that alone, obviously without polluting and demolishing the ocean/sea life, it has been done well before and has no excuse to continue to evolve like everything else. Of course the obvious obstacles for humanity/earthlings/mortals, is all the never ending contagious greed that is infecting most people on earth, but when it gets into big CEOs, board members, politicians, judges world leaders who male these decisions. Despite all the evidence of the harm being done, if you throw enough monies at someone's face they'll sign whatever you want. If that doesn't work you could always blackmail them with something from their family's past or something. Or you could always get rid of them and have the right person replaced to have your plans carried out seamlessly. It's just so blatantly obviously how greedy and selfish every single resource is. How many everything is made in China? Sweatshops, slaves. Yet that's the whole world's economy and hooray temu, I could have cheap clothing built off the blood of child labor. Around and around, so if all that is acceptable and cool and supported why not also destroying all wildlife habits and all wildlife becoming extinct, and all the oceans which all trash ends up in, is just pure plastic shredded up like sand by the ocean and floating throughout and all the fish just breathing/ingesting plastic all life every life. So all the ocean life have and are made up of micro plastics. Other land animals consume them. Ingest them becomes one with them. Countless health side effects for generations to come. Then pharmaceutical companies can make a profit with a medication that doesn't heal, but temporarily numbs the side effects. So the whole world can get addicted and get those side effects then treatment for that. So you know hopefully minimize or prevent or at least delay that future. Don't be wasteful Don't be greedy Don't be selfish Don't be angry Don't be rude. Do give back Do help Do give the shirt off your back. Do genuinely reduce. Reuse. Recycle. In all aspects of life. Do be patient and kind. Do be forgiving. It's not about you. Get over yourself. Nobody cares. The rules aren't for all to follow besides you. Be kind to the plants, who yes sadly do feel and have a degree of sentience, at least enough to signal to the neighboring plants of its same species that it is being picked. Be kind to the animals, it's not their fault they are born as that species with those instincts. Always remember that there is a food chain and humans have deformed it. In nature there is balance. Humanity has gone against nature and made it something else. Upsetting the balance, hence our overpopulation and the extinction of so many other species due to humankind's involvement. Animals are literally minding their own business, trying to roam and migrate and what the heck is with all this stuff in the way? These roads and buildings aren't supposed to be here, nor are these technologies we utilize currently, for all the streets and towers and stadiums, freeways, airports, all vehicles. All born of the earth. More like forced to give birth, more like forcibly extracting eggs against the earth's wishes. Be kind to the earth. Again minding it's own business. Oh providing everything for you isn't enough? My bad that the exact distance from the sun is the perfect temperature for all to live peacefully and comfortably for centuries to millenia with literally no threat besides off planet. Oh I'm sorry you have breathable air and a surplus of water to feed all these crops and species and genuinely naturally be its own self perpetuating machine of life energy. Say a rodent eats some fruit with seeds in it. Then say a bird eats that rodent. Then flies around. Dropping a deuce, planting that fertilizer seeds into some random unsuspecting soil. Then one day that plant or born. For a deer to eat and do the same and so and and so on. While that same deer provides food for the bear. Who's corpse becomes fertilizer itself mixed who knows what else? Fish? That came from upstream, after traveling from a different part of the world to get here? And what did they consume on the way over? Oh Plastic huh? Nice. After all my hard work. Regardless of whatever belief structures anyone does or doesn't believe in, all of them point towards carrying for the earth and its creatures and plants. I only mention it because I personally feel that all of humanity's collective wisdom is all pieces to a greater puzzle of understanding. So even if you don't personally practice or believe in or even disagree with certain aspects of some religions, I feel they all have some wisdom to offer. I refer to them as ancient truths. As in for centuries people still unanimously agree upon certain principles. Which ultimately point towards treat others the way you would want others to treat you and your people you care for. If you apply this to any and every situation in life literally 24/7 be considerate to all things, in all life. In ancient eastern cultures it is said that if you cannot create an ant, then you should not destroy an ant. I am not trying to convince people to go vegan or vegetarian, but if one must consume meat it is healthier in many aspects, but ultimately more considerate, and unrelatedly just more natural to be cruelty free. Cats just go for the throat and kill their prey. Even for hunting purists when hunting a animal that's all adrenaline and fear induced, it affects the flavor and is less preferable. For example that speciality wagyu beef, that is literally as a cow massaged daily like at a spa for life. Then the people who eat it say it's the best meat they've ever had. So the opposite of cruelty is preferable in taste. So apply all these aspects to the fact that yes the earth itself is literally alive its soil gives birth to anything, yes different conditions for different regions for different species of plants and animals, including all water upon earth, and it's lava and so forth from its core to its atmosphere. All alive, moving flowing, balanced in perfect harmony self-perpetuating motion and balance. Then what does humanity do? You know the rest, but we've all seen WALL-E, no need to act surprised. So ignore where every single millimeter of every single thing you own or consume ever throughout your lifetime. From the countless headphones, new cellphones, computers, media, electronics, electricity based anything. All powered from the earth. Perhaps with the sun and solar power, but who's body was mutilated to make solar panels. I'm not against them per se, but I'm saying see every single sacrifice for what it is, make it count. Do appreciate what the beautiful earth gives you. Literally do the opposite of being a hoarder. Look at something and say hmm will I love this forever, no matter what forever? 55 years from now? Will I still be in love with my collection of... or my trend of... or the hype of...? Should I even start collecting at all? If love it forever, and keep it in pristine museum quality for the rest of your life. Intending to seek out the one like minded one day to pass off your whatever it is to. Only a true appreciator of the thing you love and not selling it for not to someone who only wants it for a profit. The less you buy, the less they make. The less they waste. The less harm for earth. In the end we are but fleas and the earth is a dog who will shake us off. Tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, all are natural, but imagine if humanity had never intervened how many less severe ones would have been prevented. Imagine every missle, warhead, gunpowder ever created, had it not been. What would the earth be? What could it be? Anywho it's too late for that, but with what we do have left, what can we prevent? What could we create? Be kind to all, always. It doesn't matter what you say, it matters how you make someone feel. The earth and its mortal earthlings all have feelings even plants. Be kind. Rewind. Reduce. Reuse. Recycle.
If you haven’t watched the full length version of this short yet, go watch it now. Dami Lee and her team make such beautiful, thought provoking and informative videos.
I was listening to a podcast and one of the participants points out this issue saying that for him the word punk would be incorrect for the concept of solar punk since in all other 'punk' scenarios there is an ideology of dystopia while in this eco-friendly scenario it actually exists a utopia at the heart of the concept and that this would be strange to be represented by a word that brings with it the idea of dystopia. For him, Solar Punk sounds paradoxical.
It's not only going to happen, it's happening SOON. It's just none of us are gonna see it. It's all gonna be these woke elites living in bubbles on the coasts. They're gonna build their little fantasy bubbles and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves.
@@silverhawkscape2677 yeah it certainly will....for a time, but as more people arrive and are born then it's only a limited time before that planet becomes full of cities, and with enough time it would become a ecumenopolis
A few years back I saw a wind powered tree. The mechanical treat had little green windmills instead of leaves. So all the little leaves were turning and turning like shimmering while it provided energy. I certainly don’t want to have a world with out healthy living trees, but these wind trees could be placed in really neat areas. I’ve never seen this lovely idea again and anyone I’ve ever mentioned it to has never heard of them.
No, it would have been more loved if people were even aware of it. Disney did no promotions for it, and those who did talk about it bashed it for having a gay and mixed family lead. The movie is great.
But solar pannels only have a 10-15 year lifespan, aren't recyclable, and require huge amounts of deep-earth minerals required through mining and quarrying (on top of the plastics used and carbon produced during manufacturing of the panels) in order to produce. Solar power technology, as it stands today, is not renewable or sustainable, even if the world were to cut back on its energy consumption by 80%.
Much better than coal or oil. But nuclear is the way forward. Plus solar panel tech will only get better. Even will all those flaws it’s still far far better than a system of power that actively kills worldwide ecosystems by its very nature
None of this is true- solar itself is warrantied for 25 with real world usage closer to 40. The minerals in it are recyclable and not particularly valuable (you may be thinking of batteries).
@@rsmith02the silicon semiconductors which make up the actual solar cells cannot readily be recycled for use as a cell again. And the recyclable materials, like the metals, plastic, and glass, are incredibly difficult to repurpose. With only 10% of them being recycled in the US according to MIT. And because the used panels don't just go away you're going to have massive amounts of cadmium telluride and gallium arsenide laying around, both of which are horrible for your health since cadmium can burn you and arsenic is incredibly toxic. So no, they're not very recyclable, plus they can be really dangerous.
Interesting to frame the "punk" as rebellion, but cyberpunk used the work to represent the anti-authoritarian/anarchic and individualistic core of the music movement. Steampunk was less a statement of anarchism or response to authoritarian rule as it was an attempt to ape cyberpunk in a Victorian-era British aesthetic. "Solar punk", from what you are showing, also does not seem to have that individualistic or anarchic core. As such, while it may be rebellious in theme, there is no sign in what you showed of an oppressive authoritarian government.
Thumbs up for Valley of the Wind! Solar Punk imagery and themes runs through a lot of other Studio Ghibli films too. Has always been part of the appeal to me.
Also way less nature because everyone needs much more space. Cyberpunk often has the issue that its depiction comes from californians and everything is just dust and rocks and sand around. In other climates with more water it takes nature a couple of years till everything is overgrown and green.
Solarpunk is the exurb of cyberpunk with all the people turning a blind eye to the inequality in the cities. The irony of this 'anti-consumerist utopia' being coming from an ad isn't lost on me. Scratch the surface of your cute green technological farm: where do the raw resources come from? Who assembles it? Robots, probably, but who oversees it? In cyberpunk all the excess and high technology was a large part of its critique. Solar punk has ridiculous high technology which isn't even efficient. You have these HUGE means of production, namely the robot manufacturer. The only way for this to actually be a fair society then, is if these means are collectively owned. Suddenly, we lose the need for the 'punk'. We have futuristic eco-socialism. Now we're just struggling with how we win our resources. The only way for solar punk to be a thing without the above solved, is for rebels to withdraw from a more dystopian society, be it a cyberpunk one, a fascist one or another type of capitalism. They close off to the outside world other than for trade and live in their little bubble far away from the terrors and cries of the big cities where they get their tools.
Only film that reminds me of Solar Punk that was idk if it’s still in theaters is a movie named “The Creator” where yeah it’s futuristic sci-fi but has both elements of lost of humanity and humanity within robots that act as living beings and obv if you watch throughout the film you’ll see so much nature, the shots are beautiful
@tex4230 no they're two completely different and separate things. Just like militarism and Fascism. You obviously don't know the definition of these words. We have different meanings for each word for a reason. If Corporatism was the same as Capitalism, we wouldn't have separate words for them....
@tex4230 the US is militaristic. Has been since its inception. Does that mean they're all fascist? No! It just means they have aggressive military policies like a draft, billions a year on military, and one of the world's largest armed forces. South Korea is Militaristic. It's mandatory that every citizen do 2yrs service, spend billions on military and are constantly in a state of readiness. Fascist or Fascim are the means of controlling and organizing society in which the government has complete control of the lives of the people and who are not allowed to disagree. Like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and american leftist liberal activists.
@@codyringer1857 Are you unfamiliar with the English language? Because many words have similair meanings in it. Corporatism is merely an inevitable result of capitalism.
@tex4230 which is easy... hence why there are two distinct words for it. Franco was a fascist leader with no militaristic points. Stalin was a militaristic leader but not a fascist (at least according to the new new new left wing definition of fascist) The two are separate, just like your braincells
I wish solar punk was more likely to happen. As it stands we can't feed and house the population without vast industry and farming. Idyllic open spaces and forested villages aren't reasonable to achieve for everybody while the entire species is on earth and our population is this size.
when i hear in 2023 the world overpopulation im gonna go insane. its a myth. it doesnt exist. we actually need more people. just stop with this mainstream media nonsense
@@zachowonthere’s plenty of room, yes. Lots of the room is in giant deserts or other inhospitable regions. Dense cities are eco-friendly because they mean less transport is necessary to bring people the things they need, and because it means more land can be preserved for wildlife.
We really need to stop attaching the word “-punk” to name genres or art styles. This style is the antithesis to punk, it’s cozy and comfy. There’s nothing wrong with that, but even calling steampunk that has never felt fully accurate unless it was something about the dregs or rebels of that society.
Maybe this is supposed to be the idealised version of the world of how the rich live. Much like how cyberpunk the idealised version of the world is one of excess and luxury, but only for those at the top. Maybe solar punk can be the same, those at the top can live their nice eco-friendly idyllic lives, but the vast majority of people are still wage-slaves forced to mine endlessly for the materials to run the tech for the wealthy.
I'd like you to design a cyber/solar punk commune for me. Only 50 acres, all solar, wind, etc. But with 10 families living separately on the land and have a central building where everyone comes together for dinner and ale, more like a Viking hall with firepits inside the building. I can do it easily, but I'd like to see what you come up with if you have the time to quickly scribble something together, I'll do the same, and we can compare. What do you think?
Solar Punk would probably be some kind of Utopian Communist scenario with a lot of skeletons in their closets once you start scratching on the surface of this seemingly Perfect Utopia.
Things like healthcare, education, housing, energy, should be universal. Why tarnish everything with labels? Take all the best parts of ideologies and implement them. but yes, whatever we do there is always bound to be Skeletons.
The book the giver is exactly that A simingly utopian society that is completely controlled and death is a common punishment for stuff like flying you plane in the wrong spot or being a twin
This is it!!! I have always been trying to have a word to describe the world of Shinsekai Yori anime when I watched it in middle school. They have all these technological advances but everyone lives so indepth with nature and farming and traditional Japanese culture.
Hope dami credits the animators that did the animation in the full vid this short is from. The animators are 'The Line', and the animation is called 'Dear Alice'. Its a yogust ad but its still a very beautiful animation that deserves proper credit
chobani should turn that ad into a show. not only is it advertizing but its even better than advertizing because you can put products in the background, in scenes, make it as blatant as you want as long as its written well and the scenery is always quality beautiful animation.
@@brianvalenti1207 Nobody can be absooutely self-sufficient. Our current society damages the climate, and while we can make our own food, extract our own water, and build our own house and tools, to attempt to truly be self-sufficient we would need to reject a lot of luxuries. That's why an important aspect of this Utopia is a social reestructuring and technological develolment, not an ecologist regression to rural life.
Capitalism ≠ Greed. A system like this will also use capitalism as a foundation. Capitalism is a free market. The things you would use in this reality would still be made by others and bought by you. That's capitalism.
The problem is that the video depicts a social structure of tight-knit familial hierarchy that is incompatible with the universalizing and deconstructionist values of progressivism. Progressive/left dreams of a solar-punk future can only happen if they re-embrace the family unit as the fundamental building block of society.
It depicts families, not "familial" hierarchy. Progressives and leftists reject patriarchal oppression and toxic gender roles, not family and community. Solar-punk is not impossible because it requires strict adherence to the nulear family, it doesn't. It's impossible because solar is an absolutely garbage energy source.
I see a tight knit family/possibly community. I don’t think seen anything resembling a super strict heirarchy though. Also even if it is a family it certainly doesn’t depict a nuclear family.
Can someone please explain to me, without corporations and capitalism, can any of us watching this video and communicated to each other like what we are doing right now?
How could you wear cotton made clothes without slave labor? Capitalism and corporations aren't necessary, they are just an undemocratic middle-man that parasitizes people's labor, needs and environment to grow and extract maximum profit.
Well corporatism is the issue, not a free market but the eternal greed and growing interest of those who value profit over long term longevity of the planet and people.
Solarpunk is just sci-fi cottagecore
Underrated comment
There's a lot of solarpunk that focuses on massive modernist cities living in harmony with nature. That was my main exposition to solarpunk, and assumed was the mainstream.
YES.
YES YES YES
I LIKE THIS IDEA.
Large cities that look like forests, covered in greenery and nature. A stream cutting through the landscape with boats going up and down. Roads with horse drawn floating carriages and bicycles.
A flying bus goes overhead as you travel along with a field of livestock on your left, a dog on your right.
You pull a little cart with carrots inside, to your home that's a massive tree. Leaves soaking up light to power the lanterns at night. You see your mother in the window, a phonograph playing a tune as she cooks. Your father stands on the porch, and the dog runs to him.
Your neighbor is out, sitting next to the community lake. He's asleep with a rod at his side.
you forgot the /pos.
Discount Anna akana
Just a reminder that no mater how pretty ot may be, dear alice (the video in the background) is still an add for oat milk
Yea but they're crushing the solar punk vibe though. 😂 Few things persuade me, commercial-wise, but that one comes very close to swaying me into buying their product.
unfortunatly there products are the only thing in the origonal flim not in sustainable packaging, whitch is proberbly why none of them made it into the clips used in the video. i think its a realy good short though, and i must agree, the aniimation is impeccable. somone re-uploaded a version a while back with all the brand logos removed and it realy was worth watching
@@bencharlwood8042 LMAO You're right! That didn't even occur to me that the only thing not sustainable in their videos is their own products. (The packaging at least) 🤣
Okay?
I thought it was for yogurt?
They almost never show where all the materials for the tech comes from in solar punk. No factories, no mines, no refineries and that just makes it unbelievable.
If its futuristic, that could come from other planet
@@josepablo4575Last time I checked, you would still need factories, mines, and refineries to build space ships
@@funnelingspace9268 that ships are build in other planet too, where the ship's factories are🤣🤣🤣
@funnelingspace9268 The solar punk planet wouldn't be the origin planet of the species, or the first ships would be made in a past non-solarpunk era, before they start to be made in factory planets
So basically, all the unwashed masses make this eco-trch for the 1% who are presented here
I need more of whatever this genre is.
You mean solar punk
No, what she is showing and talking about is solar utopia not solar punk.
@@TotoMoon157 No she's not. She knows what she's talking about. If it was a utopia, there would be no themes of rebellion or anti-establishment or non-conformity because there would be nothing to rebel against. Cyberpunk is anti-dystopian tech and tends to be focused on the loss of humanity aspect, solar punk is exactly the same but it's more focused on loss of nature than humans.
You should watch Scavengers Reign, it’s not as whimsical looking as this show they’re talking about, but it’s more dystopian and grim. Still it’s all futuristic and sci-fi :)
@@emstink utopia art is a type of modernity punk, that reject modern trends and explore other possibilities for a better future and move closer to a utopian world.
the microplastic-punk futures gonna be so dope
Crimes of the future 2022
Microplastic traping hydrogel has has been discovered by iiser
can’t wait for nuclear-punk
@@glurberdurberman-cs4pd atompunk exists lol 😂
"Makes you think of a cult"
...no???
Ok I have no way of knowing the way she meant it but if I said it I’d mean: the selling point of many communes is a sort of separation from the reliance on the outer free market in favor of an isolated self regulating system that promises paradise like results, in the current almost definitionly dystopian society we DO live in there are malicious cults that prey on very real people who fall for illusions so many individuals mistake optimism for flagrant colorful scams.
Yeah me neither
Yeah wtf literally last thing I would think about
I think we've been brainwashed to think any kind of lifestyle outside of the norm, where people work together for the good of humanity and ecology is immediately a cult, or utopic delusions
I think what she meant is that solarpunk feels so utopian, clean and perfect that it become eerie and uncanny.
Edit: plus cults often have an ”in touch with nature” attitude like depicted in midsummer or the real life manson family.
Ngl I see cyberpunk and solarpunk existing at the same time
It might depend on how people in the lower classes are treated. On one hand, you could have most of the working classes being forced to work their asses off in factories with horrible conditions while the rich live in prosperity, while on the other, such jobs could be done by robots with regulations so that humans treat them with care since they help the economy so much, and the lower class humans are also treated with respect as well.
I would pay good money for an "anything-punk" idea/concept/vision materialized in a book, movie, TV series, etc. that was NOT dystopian! Whatever happened to optimism in media? Is hope now regarded as naïve‽
@@rolandmeyer3729 some “punk” genres are inherently dystopian (cyberpunk is almost always a combination of lowlife and high tech), but I can see a utopian society with elements of steampunk and such
Cyberpunk is about the people that stay in the megalopolis because they have no choice/don't know how to live anywhere else, whie Solarpunk is the people that chose to live away from the megalopolis.
They could totally exist in the same setting if the lands outside the dystopia city aren't just barren nuclear wastelands or just more dystopia cities.
@@octosquid48solarpunk usually wouldn’t have a class system at all
Notice that in solar punk, manual labor still plays a pivotal role. That in itself conveys much of the values behind the theme.
Explain
@Someone-sq8im I mean, having to hazard a guess having seen the ad, most of the products (fruit, electricity, housing) has a large emphasis on making your own products (or as much of it as feasible)
Especially since cyberpunk dystopias are victims of monopolies using capital to distance individuals from any meaningful work that benefits them. Similar to modern day work, where the labor you perform typically isn't for YOU, but rather for someone else
not just manual labour, see how sparse the population is. solarpunk always shows this kind of vistas and I think it's because solarpunk is kind of whats going to happen after a huge population crash recovery. Like 9billion humans going to 2-3billion humans
@@coffeeking9565monopolies and corporations are not the same thing, and you use them interchangeably. cyberpunk isn't bad because of corporations, it's just not the same type of individual-based evolution for technology that solar punk appears to aim for.
Actually to make Solarpunk happen you need to cut alot of automation because automation is what consume a lot of energy, the society is based on "conservation" Without sacrificing efficiency, Meaning cutting excess and only using power for essential production process the rest of non essential like packaging, sorting or storing is using manual labor.
Like making a cake for example.
The ingredients is manually loaded while the power is used for baking and making the dough and putting the topping, the rest like wrapping, putting cake in box, sealing, storing and delivery using manual labor.
What these solarpunk concepts dont show are all the factories, mines, workers, and logistical hubs used in the production of the glass, metal, concrete, and electronics present in the video. It comes across to my eyes as a hidden dystopia where a subset of people live in a utopia and the rest are hidden working class, not shown on screen, working for the bidding of the solarpunk utopia.
Also, theres a reason why we dont let vegetation grow out of control in our homes... If we could without bringing downsides, many would have already.
Exactly where are the Workers producing all of those things someone has to do it 😂
No workers, robots.
In an utopia only those who want to work/ oversee the robots would work.
They had a harvest robot in this ad, so they would have other robots too.
"I can't imagine a world where we extract resources and produce goods without hurting people"
Even games like subnautica know the you can't just magically summon raw materials to make anything because as a rule or the universe you can't create or destroy matter, so all those machines and infrastructure had to have some sort of supply chain of resources to build and maintain it.
@@Gigi4u Supply chains are quite possible without exploitation and suffering.
And then you have Desertpunk, where the sun says "No more" and hits back
Madmax would be DesertPunk and it's badass
...So you see, I am the balls.
Desertpunk?!... I'm out!
We never did shit to the sun, or did I miss something?
Sunabouzu...
Recently watched the full episode. You guys do a great job. Now I have a hankering for more Studio Ghibli.
There's some new stuff by him and his son if you didn't know 👀
Anyone know what it’s called?
I think it's from Love death and robots on Netflix
Edit: I was wrong it's a yoghurt ad
@@immortalsunit’s called Dear Alice and it’s right here on UA-cam! The composer for the video is the same as the Ghibli movies, so it amplifies the Ghibli vibes.
But if you meant the newest movie by Miyazaki that’s showing in theaters, it’s called « The Boy and the Heron ». I definitely enjoyed it!
@@lemonmart7793I was gonna mention it! It looks beautiful!
The animation by the youtube team 'The Line' is amazing. Even if it is an ad, i still love the work and design that went into it. Dear Alice (the specific animation) deserves to be a movie or series, not just a yogurt ad
I don’t see how they could engineer a plot into this without making it look like environmentalism propaganda.
It is hopelessly difficult to put together an engaging or emotional story without gaping plot holes when your original setting is an utopia.
I think you could make interesting plot but it would either have to not really interact with initial setting (exploring galaxy and challenges that come with it, or external threat: hostile aliens, natural cataclism) or change the initial setting by adding dystopian layer. But it does change the actuall setting so idk if that actually counts.
solar punk is when the sun act up and pull a mohawk
Ngl, that could be worked into the solar punk movement somehow. Idk maybe it's representative of a narrow solar flare that forcefully destroys just the right heads of overindustrialisation?
As an actual punk rocker this isn’t a new concept you just invent a new term to erase history you don’t know…
The term was “hippie commune” or a kibbutz
@@kayoss8787 wtf are you talking about, do you realize this is not a serious discussion and a bit of a dad joke? Like nowhere I claim anything, especially creation of a term.
@@timmygilbert4102 the point is the term is bs and all conversations on the internet includes an audience, when you are the top comment… jeesh stating the obvious to the obtuse is intellectual oblivion 🙈
@@kayoss8787 so you are saying my joke is on point? Or you didn't realize it was about the absurdity of the name and that we are agreeing? What part of a sun putting up a mohawk is making you feel I mislead people, do you know personally any sun that put a mohawk? Don't you realize that's absurd? And that it point at how meaningless the naming is? I'm taking you intellectual card, you are forbidden to cast oblivion on people because you don't pass basic comprehension test 😂 I can't believe I had to explain the joke nearly anyone got but you 🤔
Imagine people fighting over winds, tides, suns, and ocean currents, to generate enough energy, to survive, feed their stocks and keep their families out of cold.
Holy shit, it’s actually a good idea of world building, reminds me of the game “Frost Punk”, even it doesn’t use renewable energy.
Honestly a better idea than “solarpunk”, but I still don’t think it’ll strike as hard or be as easily relatable as a genre as popular as cyberpunk
quick question: how do you think you are gonna manufacturing all of those piece of technology?
hint: you can't produce any materials out of electricity alone.
Through the omnipitent magic of no climate change, duh.
wow i'm sure literally nobody has ever thought of that before and surely it is absolutely impossible to make things that are more efficient than they are now or of entirely new technologies
@@russellpierce3987 carbon sinks are a whole lot easier than space colony age technology, genius.
@@JustSomeGuywithEpicGrasses we already have it since a billion year ago.
we called it "a plant".
and it solve every problem about a climate change.
@@readingmachinenegi exactly. Every living being is a carbon sink. Some large-scale aquaponics would clear that carbon up easily.
Nuclear power: 🗿
Atom punk
Hydrogen power cleaner and the only byproduct is water and heat
@@jordanebel328 exactly
@@jordanebel328 Hydrogen is highly explosive tho
@@jordanebel328The issue is making sure that the power used to produce the hydrogen fuel is clean. Just saying “hydrogen power” doesn’t mean much in this comparison - it’s more analogous to battery power than nuclear power in that context.
>against consumerism and capitalism
>using an advertisement meant to promote consumerism and captialism to illustrate this
It doesn't promote that. It shows off a product that evitably must rely on that system.
@@melonsauce1474 there was footage used in the video that belongs to an ad for oat milk
Capitalism is a very vague term if your a liberal. But for any anarchist (like me 2 years ago although I don't believe in anarchism anymore) capitalism is defined as a coercion toward the worker/proletariat that is also have correlation and have similarity with the state. So the video portrayed does look like anti capitalism but definitely not anti consumerism because of advertisement.
(Noted: I'm not talking about the Hollywood Anarchy, I'm talking about the real life anarchist that actually doesn't believe in a lawless society, they usually believe in a stateless society which usually have a solar punk/cyber punk vibe that is portrayed in this UA-cam short.)
Edit: people really can't tell I'm joking or being serious. If you can't tell then take a break from politic, seriously politics sucks. You should take a break if you can. And also another note, this is the only comment I'm being serious with.
Another Edit: Don't let my pfp deceive you it's meant for luring out stupid rightist. And don't worry I'm not discriminating for the leftist bcuz I have a photo of a gay confederate symbol in my drive for the next February and July
@@Politictrolerandenthusiast you're* also all political ideologies suck and will never work
@@BingusLover45 bruhhhh. Good your a teen like me as well. And I hope you know that my pfp is for like trolling people rather than what I actually believe in. Anyway YES I BELIEVE IN THE IDEA OF A UTOPIA EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD NEVER HAPPENED
My brain went:
Cyberpunk: fight techno dystopia
Solar punk: fight the fucking sun
"... punk" genre is about the world where the technological proggress after a certain point ( the "..." in the name) is impossible and this final technology is improved to its maximum. It's not about fighting something.
Biopunk: fight yourself
@@Flesh_Wizard Gregpunk: fight Greg
The irony is that the cited video is a chobani advertisement 😂
Guess they're doing this because Greek yogurt creates a toxic byproduct when being made
The biggest reason that the solar punk aesthetic doesn't work for a rebellion storyline is because it is closer to a utopian setting.
It should be called Cybersolar.
Solar punk is just communism with eco-friendly terms. But like all functional communist societies, a work of fiction
Yeah, I want to see the rebellion against the oppressive green regime. Like maybe the level of oppression needed to keep us all solar and wind happy is something like the drugs in Equilibrium… whatever it is, we need something to happen lol 😂
That's exactly why it would work though. An aftermath.
I don't know.. I could easily see Brave New World in a solarpunk setting
The funniest thing about solar punk is they don't show all the slaves mining the materials.
This isn't really what solarpunk is though. The solarpunk movement doesn't ask for fancy tech and flying busses. The solarpunk movement is a call to simplify where possible, reduce consumption, to create better infrastructures for things like public transportation and walkable cities, to embrace neighhborhood gardens and to greenify, to produce less new and reuse more of what already exists, to reduce monopolies and mega corporations and bring back small businesses and small production, etc.
Yeah, in storytelling, creating a fancy, futuristic, sci-fi utopia looks nice, but that's just aesthetics.
Solarpunk asks for change that could help real people today, with technology that is available to people today.
@@OdinsSage again, the technology that is available to people today is built off slavery. All the minerals procured for, and the labor used to manufacture modern day "green" technology is built off of slavery.
If you're ignorant to this you need to research more in to where lithium and cobalt come from.
The true theme of solar punk is that beneath the veneer of clean, technological progress is a society that is oppressive and stifling to the individual. A truly idyllic future is not “punk”. There must be a counter-culture pushing against the status quo.
I think the punk in the end is more or less there just as a meta rebellion against current systems we got going on, and because people like putting punk in the end of the setting name. Not that it would prevent a setting from being written by the outlines of an oppressive to the individual regime.
@@Zizuzazupunk is there because it sounds cool and people who made solar punk don't know what it actually implies
Of course it is punk. It is a rebellion against current society. Just the becauSe the aesthetic is wholesme doesn't mean it isn't punk
@@AdrischaThat’s how I read it as well. When everything shown is doom and gloom offering a brighter future is counter culture.
@@Adrischano the rebellion is people who dont want to live a subsistence lifestyle entirely reloant on the government, commune, whatever that provides a very metered access to electricity that they can revoke at any time in the name of "saving electricity" also the fact that you cant have a large population and one that cant help provide so eugenics and euthanasia are on the table. Renewable energy isnt all its cracked up to be
Notice how cyberpunk is a realistic dystopia, while "solar punk" is just pretending that 6 billion people magically disappeared.
Maybe they died as a result of cyberpunk.
@@andrechaos9871 Maybe they died as a result of solarpunk.
Actually not! I've seen quite a lot of solar punk examples with mega cities that have plants on the walls and roofs and stuff. Even just google image results show this.
People still live in cities, but we just didn't turn the countryside into a toxic wasteland like in most dystopias. This is the direction we are going with technology as it becomes more human-centric; as the design, materials and energy all become more ecologically and socially sustainable. The only thing solar punk ignores are the ultra wealthy acting against humanity's long term interests by profit seeking, or at least imagines that corporations have been defanged by regulations which fix all the loopholes and externalities.
why do you people think everyone lives in an urban setting wtf
As soon as the flying bus appeared it stopped being cyberpunk and became bollocks.
Notable that it also depicts a low density, rural-esq future.
Which is an impossibility with our population numbers
@@john2432It might be set after an all cosuming war, pushing technology forward, while simultaneously killing most humans.
@@john2432it's really not. The world has a lot of space but most people have to live in cities
And it's sponsered by Chobani
@@Litepawit is impossible, just because there is enough space for people doesn't mean that space is habitable, considering much of it is ocean, deserts, and mountains. Which means those areas cant be agricultural or even liveable without advanced structures or terraforming.
Love solarpunk as an aesthetic
This video isnt Solarpunk. To be Solarpunk it would need to demonstrate inherent issues with a Solar-focused society. It would need to target issues like how the batteries used to store solar energy are strip-mined from the Earth while people pretend its somehow better for the environment than other energy alternatives. You could go more extreme with the theme by creating a set of laws that put the protection of nature over the value of human lives. Put those two together and now you have a society that uses forced labor to perform dangerous mining operations outside of the public eye that lives in their shallow Solar Utopia. There's plenty of great things that can be used with an idea like Solarpunk, but all I see are people acting like it should be all beautiful perfection and harmony.
If anything it would be like Logan's Run with population controls where they have to kill off the elderly and grow the next generation in labs to keep a handle on such a dispersed rural society. As well things like rockets and space travel would be too expensive so any expansion is banned. After all you can't run a rocket engine with wind. Plus outside of select jobs it seems most people are stuck at subsistence farming. Some people say there would still be cities with rooftop gardens to sustain them but that won't produce enough to feed a whole building of people for a year, unless you make the buildings long and wide which cuts down on actual farmland. Like you said it also gets into all of the ores and materials needed for these robots and panels and batteries. Which would most likely be moved to the harshest climates where farming can't be done. So the eco friendly manpower focused mines in Alaska and Siberia, after all to avoid pollution from machines you'll need people with pickaxes. Whole regions of the world will be abandoned due to the climates in this, or turned into nothing but endless fields of solar panels and turbines. The whole of death valley and the Sahara being an endless field of solar panels, wide stretches of the oceans being built over with turbines. A lot of forests will need to be clear cut and mountains removed to make way for more farms. All of this under the guise of "look we're saving the planet, this is all so renewable." Something like that would make it actually punk.
watch strange world. Its an animated movie by disney pixar (it was underrated)
You hit the nail on the head, and then SPRINTED in the opposite direction! What are the characters rebelling against in your story? This isn't some kind of punk, this is 50 people who decided to form a commune.
this comment makes no sense.
@@samasoku at time of writing i have 11 likes. 11 separate people gave tacet approval of my comment. I thought i was clear enough, but if you really want me to explain... sure, i can do that.
She says what a punk story is at the start. Then, This cloud punk setting she describes is NOT a punk story.
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She was correct when she defined what a "*-punk" story is. These types of stories are supposed to involve a rebellion. They're about chatacters fighting against a larger system in some way.
She then contradicts her own definition. She describes people who are *working together* in a giant collective. And she calls this story setting "punk" because it goes against the industrial norm.
This is not a punk story!
It would be punk if (just to give a few examples):
1) the setting was largely INDUSTRIAL, and characters discovered a bunch of technologies that the societal elite had repressed, and were fighting to reveal it to a poluted world.
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2) it were set in a world of turbines, farming, and zeppelins, & the society is fending off sky pirates. The main character tasked with hunting pirates/saboteurs discovers the REAL reason for prosperity in the floating world is because the society is actually stealing from other cities. The "pirates" are actually agents working against the sky empire.
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3) A traveler comes to the sky town, falls to the "lowest level" and finds out that the people on the ground are at the mercy of a crime boss. And, in fighting to liberate the people, the traveler finds out that the "crime boss" is a sanctioned part of the local gov. And the agricultural portion of society is built on a more literal form of wage slavory.
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4) 2 prisoners escape from one collective and seek shelter in another. While in the towns, they're recognized and are pushed into hiding by the society. After being separated, one finds out that they're breading humanity in a big eugenics project. The upper class is bread for their mental prowess, the lower classes for physical strength and resistance to disease. Meanwhile the OTHER one ingraciates himself to a powerful upper-class family. It becomes a tale of "brother vs brother" when the "smarter" of the 2 chooses a place among the mental elite, over his former cell-mate's morality.
Get it???
Solarpunk aesthetic appears in a lot of Ghibli movies, and is usually existing in opposition to distinctly Dieselpunk aesthetic villains.
I agree with a different comment that it really should be called Cottagecore-Futurism.
Never heard of solarpunk before now, but I might be in love with it?
Me too
just go work on a farm, its the same IRL but with fewer solar pannels.
@@avroarchitect1793 no carbon neutrality, no solar panels, no deal 🥺 modern farms don’t coexist with the environment, they radically change it and soon destroy it, and i’ll have no part in that 😖
@@avroarchitect1793 they aren't going to do that it would require them to actually leave home and work
Solar Punk seems divisive in a more subtle way than say Cyber Punk would be. There would be several ethical, cultural and political implications to consider to obtain and maintain such a utopian world.
I don't think it has to be utopian. It's more a matter of necessity. It's a realistic/reasonable future that we can get to while maintaining most of our current values of liberal democracy to manage disagreements.
When something has a punk aesthetic, it's because the element emphasized is meant to be a bad thing, or is somehow corrupt from its intention. Solarpunk implies that there would be some corresponding oppressive force to enforce the values of this world. Maybe anyone who uses energy for personal or unauthorized use, even if it's abundant, would be punished.
Wow, you don't know what punk is, do you?
Punk is rebellion. It is not synonymous with "bad" or "dystopian". Solarpunk is a genere defined by its rebellion against the industrial focused, capitalistic, climate destroying culture we currently live in. It dares to think of a future where technology and nature can live in harmony, and where humans play an active role in preserving that harmony.
@@OdinsSage You know you're punk when you side with the megacorps and the government. There's nothing punk about being part of a huge movement and following every Earth Day hashtag and carbon neutral climate pledge. If Amazon is doing it, there's no counter culture in following that lead. Oh, you have an electric car, just like the government wants you to? Punk requires contrast and aggression, or else you aren't fighting anything, you're just being.
And who is making all this tec. Clean factories clean mining of materials, oh what a fantasy
Clean factories are certainly possible. I'd argue pretty easy with some exceptions. Clean mining is harder but still doable.
@@thedudeamongmengs2051 and all of that comes down to cost.
@@thedudeamongmengs2051you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
@@erikm8707 I'm a machinist. I work in a factory. Depending on what you're making and the regulations you follow, factories can be very clean.
@@erikm8707no, they are correct. I’m an environmental specialist that helps mining companies avoid polluting and disrupting the ecosystem around their operations. It’s you and the OP that have no idea what they are talking about, suggesting that all solutions for cleaner factories and mining is a fantasy. When we are literally implementing solutions as you talk 💩 on the internet.
Heck yeah, I want that Solarpunk life. Just hearing the concept and seeing it is soothing to my soul.
The funniest part of this idea is that the only way to fulfill it in reality is to use the cleanest form of energy production: nuclear.
YUPPPP!
- a physicist
" cleanest"
And no.
It is the cheapest way to achieve the "cleanest" step to a truly clean future but isn't clean till you find somewhere to store the radioactive waste and dispose of the "mildly" radioactive reactor building at the end of its life.
Don't bother bugging me with your propaganda, we both have heard it for decades, I'm just putting the counter argument up so you don't get to talk twaddle unopposed.
@@bobkoroua
It has no carbon emissions.
The rocks become less radioactive after we use them and we store them in a less concentrated form when we're done with it.
The only nuclear waste that doesn't get removed and cleaned is tritium which is literally water and is found naturally in the ocean.
Please, tell me what is bad about nuclear energy. We perfected it 30 years ago. Dangerous things like Chernobyl only happen when dumb government officials tell the nuclear power plants to remove all safety measures. The nuclear bombs in Japan have even been cleaned so much that you can stand at ground 0 and get less radiation than you would from the potassium in a banana.
So please, tell me again how nuclear power is bad.
@@bobkoroua you, friend, are the propagandist here. Stop with the fear mongering and learn about nuclear energy, it's the least scary form of energy.
Even the solar panels are worse because they don't break down in nature at all, unlike nuclear materials which usually have a half life of around 30-50 years
That the ironic part. If you want to work with solar energy alone (and some pro's do like their communism) you have to destroy the whole nature to have "enough" energy.
Fantasy equivalent is the Noblebright, i.e Noble + Bright, as a contrast to Grimdark settings.
I could use more of that
That’s actually amazing, I was wondering about this exact thing. Thank you
The reason we can’t get to this point is because certain people that live in big cities have no idea how humans harmonically interact with nature but the public keeps listening to them for some reason .
Humans can't live harmonically with nature. We will always be taking in some form more than we give
And humans in more rural regions statistically tend to be worse at harmonically interacting with other humans. Kinda makes sense, honestly, living in a city, you are surrounded by other people, you can't go anywhere or do anything without brushing up against people. Often people who may look, sound, or behave nothing like you. Sure there is more conflict in a city, yes. However two things, one must consider how insanely dense cities are, and that conflict also drives their populations to having more conflict avoidance and resolution skills. Both ends of the spectrum have something important to bring to the table.
@@gearhead743 a completely made up statistic based on anecdotal data from fringe racist groups in the US. A group of people that have been dwindling for decades now. When examining per capita violent crime it’s plain to see that urban settings still have far more than rural areas and that’s consistent worldwide. So much so that the coping idea of “it’s cause cities are densely populated” is moot at best and an intentional misrepresentation of the data at the worst. Your plainly ignorant statement just further proves my point that most urbanites don’t know anything about life outside of cities whether it be natural or human. So no both ends of the spectrum dont bring important things to the table. I’ve lived in cities my entire life and I’m tired of fools living in smogged and poisoned cities telling people that live outside of those areas that THEY are somehow less knowledgeable on how to interact with nature or worse that they are part of the problem. Of course that is to say not all rural people are like this but they don’t preach at the public their false bill of goods as if they are somehow subject matter experts like those in cities do when they’ve spent little or no time outside of their cities.
Says@@gearhead743, who was a complete asshole to everybody he met when he left the city, and then found it very rude when they beat his ass for it. Now he hides in the city, talking about what jerks those country folk were for not tolerating his behavior the way these highly refined and educated city folk do.
@@able34bravo37 i didn't grow up in the city though lol.
That commercial has all kinds of things being randomly high technology. You see that hovering bus for example. Solarpunk is about being careful with technology.
This genre kind of feels made up
@@Iceh4wkvideosall genres are made up at some point.
Perhaps hovering buses, if executed correctly, could be a good thing and a way to be careful with technology- you could get places without damaging grass or brush, perhaps you could even travel over marshes and things like that without disrupting them, and it could avoid hitting animals as well, depending on how high it hovers/how large the animals are.
To achieve all of this, it would have to meet some criteria:
I already mentioned its hovering height, but also HOW it hovers would be an issue, (making sure it doesn't effect whatever it's hovering over- though obviously if anything hovered over plants for a long time they'd begin to lack sunlight, but I mean heat/chemicals. We don't want to burn trails into the grass.) and how much sound pollution it makes, because sound does disturb wildlife.
@@NighttimeDaydreamsperhaps more underground roads may help?
Depending on how their made, there might be disruption to the ground above them but if dug at the correct depth it wouldn't be too bad, there are ways to do that.
Many underground or through-mountain roads often have fume chimney things to stop the air getting toxic in the tunnels but electric vehicles don't have that as much of a problem as well.. I don't know.
It works for trains. It could work for cars perhaps. Maybe underground tram systems or something like the underground
@@abgacha1247 Yeah, that's a great idea, that sounds really cool. The downsides to that would be it would require a lot of heavy machinery to dig, (and tech to make sure you're not gonna hit something dangerous) it could get really hot/cold down there, they could easily flood in storms (though there are probably ways that could be minimized), and they'd probably require a lot of upkeep. Also it would be dark and depressing, like subways lol. Idk, unless they've got artificial natural lighting down by then, and grew plants down there, which would be really cool.
It's funny how linguistic drift affects certain terms. Like how the term "capitalism" historically referred to peasants having exclusivity to the fruits of their own labor, but through various propaganda & popular misconceptions some people use the term completely differently.
That's a pre-industrial definition though. Capitalism now refers to how the owners of the means of production (capitalists) can take value from other people's labor (workers)
@@meri5012 well that in itself is directly opposite to the traditional definition and we have to look at the exegesis of where such a misconception originates.
A lot of it comes from the economic anti-Semitism movement and more specifically the "stages of capitalism" theory, a myth by Werner Sombart, a soon-to-be Nazi propagandist. Things like late-stage capitalism or end-stage capitalism or state capitalism aren't real, they're just fascist propaganda made to justify the Holocaust.
I think you'll find you do have exclusivity to the fruits of your labor.
Unless you still have a Lord somewhere who owns everything you make. Inb4 hurr durr my job, no one makes you work there. Inb4 hurr durr I don't get any status or benefits if I don't work though.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
Even if we claim a small portion of exclusivity manages to exist, there's really no denying that the vast majority of wealth is controlled by a separate Ruling Class consisting of the State & the Wealthy they entitle.
The "Moneyed Peasants" are by no means in control of their own lives, and many of the things that people can "own" is merely held through a title that grants right-of-use which can be revoked.
You don't own your car, you have a title that lets you use it, for example.
Well we do have lords owning everything these days, including most of the fruits of our labor... Who can afford a house big enough for two kids these days? Kids are worth more than some nice machines. Capitalism was this ideal of how we could prosper, but drifted to mean what you actually get when you follow it to its extremes. The best approach seems to be somewhere between capitalism and communism.
This is all I dream of creating all day every day. I never knew others also sought out such a potential future. I was unaware that such terminology existed. It makes me happy very inspiring.
My truest goal in life for humanity, earthlings, mortals, is perpetual motion to have limitless energy. Which of course goes against the laws of thermodynamics, so the only true potential is pure fusion energy to self perpetuate.
Including all passive forms of collecting energy. Wind, water, solar, all on conjunction with Faraday’s First Law of Electromagnetic Induction.
Ultimately everything feeds into itself and each other as needed.
To which you could store and stockpile for such things.
Like a back up generator, that by just powering on and operating further charges something else through electromagnetic induction.
Of course the ocean or rivers or streams are the best to put those paddles in and just with every wave build energy.
So that alone, obviously without polluting and demolishing the ocean/sea life, it has been done well before and has no excuse to continue to evolve like everything else.
Of course the obvious obstacles for humanity/earthlings/mortals, is all the never ending contagious greed that is infecting most people on earth, but when it gets into big CEOs, board members, politicians, judges world leaders who male these decisions.
Despite all the evidence of the harm being done, if you throw enough monies at someone's face they'll sign whatever you want.
If that doesn't work you could always blackmail them with something from their family's past or something. Or you could always get rid of them and have the right person replaced to have your plans carried out seamlessly.
It's just so blatantly obviously how greedy and selfish every single resource is.
How many everything is made in China?
Sweatshops, slaves.
Yet that's the whole world's economy and hooray temu, I could have cheap clothing built off the blood of child labor.
Around and around, so if all that is acceptable and cool and supported why not also destroying all wildlife habits and all wildlife becoming extinct, and all the oceans which all trash ends up in, is just pure plastic shredded up like sand by the ocean and floating throughout and all the fish just breathing/ingesting plastic all life every life.
So all the ocean life have and are made up of micro plastics.
Other land animals consume them. Ingest them becomes one with them.
Countless health side effects for generations to come.
Then pharmaceutical companies can make a profit with a medication that doesn't heal, but temporarily numbs the side effects. So the whole world can get addicted and get those side effects then treatment for that.
So you know hopefully minimize or prevent or at least delay that future.
Don't be wasteful
Don't be greedy
Don't be selfish
Don't be angry
Don't be rude.
Do give back
Do help
Do give the shirt off your back.
Do genuinely reduce. Reuse. Recycle. In all aspects of life.
Do be patient and kind.
Do be forgiving.
It's not about you.
Get over yourself.
Nobody cares.
The rules aren't for all to follow besides you.
Be kind to the plants, who yes sadly do feel and have a degree of sentience, at least enough to signal to the neighboring plants of its same species that it is being picked.
Be kind to the animals, it's not their fault they are born as that species with those instincts. Always remember that there is a food chain and humans have deformed it. In nature there is balance. Humanity has gone against nature and made it something else. Upsetting the balance, hence our overpopulation and the extinction of so many other species due to humankind's involvement. Animals are literally minding their own business, trying to roam and migrate and what the heck is with all this stuff in the way?
These roads and buildings aren't supposed to be here, nor are these technologies we utilize currently, for all the streets and towers and stadiums, freeways, airports, all vehicles.
All born of the earth. More like forced to give birth, more like forcibly extracting eggs against the earth's wishes.
Be kind to the earth. Again minding it's own business. Oh providing everything for you isn't enough?
My bad that the exact distance from the sun is the perfect temperature for all to live peacefully and comfortably for centuries to millenia with literally no threat besides off planet.
Oh I'm sorry you have breathable air and a surplus of water to feed all these crops and species and genuinely naturally be its own self perpetuating machine of life energy.
Say a rodent eats some fruit with seeds in it. Then say a bird eats that rodent. Then flies around. Dropping a deuce, planting that fertilizer seeds into some random unsuspecting soil. Then one day that plant or born. For a deer to eat and do the same and so and and so on.
While that same deer provides food for the bear. Who's corpse becomes fertilizer itself mixed who knows what else? Fish? That came from upstream, after traveling from a different part of the world to get here? And what did they consume on the way over?
Oh Plastic huh? Nice. After all my hard work.
Regardless of whatever belief structures anyone does or doesn't believe in, all of them point towards carrying for the earth and its creatures and plants.
I only mention it because I personally feel that all of humanity's collective wisdom is all pieces to a greater puzzle of understanding.
So even if you don't personally practice or believe in or even disagree with certain aspects of some religions, I feel they all have some wisdom to offer.
I refer to them as ancient truths. As in for centuries people still unanimously agree upon certain principles.
Which ultimately point towards treat others the way you would want others to treat you and your people you care for.
If you apply this to any and every situation in life literally 24/7 be considerate to all things, in all life.
In ancient eastern cultures it is said that if you cannot create an ant, then you should not destroy an ant.
I am not trying to convince people to go vegan or vegetarian, but if one must consume meat it is healthier in many aspects, but ultimately more considerate, and unrelatedly just more natural to be cruelty free.
Cats just go for the throat and kill their prey.
Even for hunting purists when hunting a animal that's all adrenaline and fear induced, it affects the flavor and is less preferable. For example that speciality wagyu beef, that is literally as a cow massaged daily like at a spa for life. Then the people who eat it say it's the best meat they've ever had. So the opposite of cruelty is preferable in taste.
So apply all these aspects to the fact that yes the earth itself is literally alive its soil gives birth to anything, yes different conditions for different regions for different species of plants and animals, including all water upon earth, and it's lava and so forth from its core to its atmosphere.
All alive, moving flowing, balanced in perfect harmony self-perpetuating motion and balance.
Then what does humanity do?
You know the rest, but we've all seen WALL-E, no need to act surprised.
So ignore where every single millimeter of every single thing you own or consume ever throughout your lifetime.
From the countless headphones, new cellphones, computers, media, electronics, electricity based anything. All powered from the earth. Perhaps with the sun and solar power, but who's body was mutilated to make solar panels. I'm not against them per se, but I'm saying see every single sacrifice for what it is, make it count. Do appreciate what the beautiful earth gives you.
Literally do the opposite of being a hoarder.
Look at something and say hmm will I love this forever, no matter what forever? 55 years from now? Will I still be in love with my collection of... or my trend of... or the hype of...? Should I even start collecting at all? If love it forever, and keep it in pristine museum quality for the rest of your life. Intending to seek out the one like minded one day to pass off your whatever it is to. Only a true appreciator of the thing you love and not selling it for not to someone who only wants it for a profit.
The less you buy, the less they make. The less they waste. The less harm for earth.
In the end we are but fleas and the earth is a dog who will shake us off.
Tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, all are natural, but imagine if humanity had never intervened how many less severe ones would have been prevented. Imagine every missle, warhead, gunpowder ever created, had it not been.
What would the earth be? What could it be?
Anywho it's too late for that, but with what we do have left, what can we prevent? What could we create? Be kind to all, always.
It doesn't matter what you say, it matters how you make someone feel.
The earth and its mortal earthlings all have feelings even plants.
Be kind.
Rewind.
Reduce.
Reuse.
Recycle.
If you haven’t watched the full length version of this short yet, go watch it now. Dami Lee and her team make such beautiful, thought provoking and informative videos.
Where would I find it? TY☺️
What's it called
not always, but yes, quality content
What js it called? Solar punk? Lol
@@TsutomuGindithe video is called Dear Alice. It's a commercial for chobani lol
Oh my gosh it's beautiful! I'm in love! What a dream!
Is the socialism of it all :) a classless moneyless society so that profit inventive stops keeping in the status quo.
I really hope our future will look similar.
NOT THE OAT MILK AD
I want this world so much
Start with throwing your cell phone away.
@@brianvalenti1207 that sort of goes against blending the technology and nature together
@@maxwelldavenport2589 What went into your phone definitely betrayed nature. Or are you saying the ends justify the means?
@@brianvalenti1207
"We should improve society somewhat"
"Yet you have a phone, curious!"
@@aquau5777 Intereating how "we" often means "someone else". What tangible thing have you specfically done to achieve the ends you claim to support?
I was listening to a podcast and one of the participants points out this issue saying that for him the word punk would be incorrect for the concept of solar punk since in all other 'punk' scenarios there is an ideology of dystopia while in this eco-friendly scenario it actually exists a utopia at the heart of the concept and that this would be strange to be represented by a word that brings with it the idea of dystopia. For him, Solar Punk sounds paradoxical.
It’s always shown as rural, but humans have been clustering in cities for 12,000 years. I’m sure there’s a path there, but the Shire is not scalable.
I see this happening when Human Colonize a Habitable Planet.
It's not only going to happen, it's happening SOON. It's just none of us are gonna see it. It's all gonna be these woke elites living in bubbles on the coasts. They're gonna build their little fantasy bubbles and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves.
Gotta get those numbers down! Klaus is on it!
There are images and ideas about solarpunk cities. It’s just not as popular as space cottage core.
@@silverhawkscape2677 yeah it certainly will....for a time, but as more people arrive and are born then it's only a limited time before that planet becomes full of cities, and with enough time it would become a ecumenopolis
A few years back I saw a wind powered tree. The mechanical treat had little green windmills instead of leaves. So all the little leaves were turning and turning like shimmering while it provided energy. I certainly don’t want to have a world with out healthy living trees, but these wind trees could be placed in really neat areas. I’ve never seen this lovely idea again and anyone I’ve ever mentioned it to has never heard of them.
Solar punk looks so cool
it doesn’t sound like a cult it sounds like a future i wish we could have
Renewable energy’s create more waste in a single decade then nuclear power has in a century
Why? It sounds way to fake and awful
Strange World wouldve been much more loved and appreciated if it was 2d animated like this
Nah it would've been loved if it was anything other than a half thought up broken mess
Don’t blame the medium. 2D, 3D or a mixture won’t matter if the writing sucks ass.
No, it would have been more loved if people were even aware of it. Disney did no promotions for it, and those who did talk about it bashed it for having a gay and mixed family lead. The movie is great.
For those who'd like to know, the video that Dami is talking about is called "Dear Alice" and was created by "The Line" animation studio.
Fusion and fission ENERGY IN THE CORNER IS LAUGHING AT THEM VERY HARD. 💀
But solar pannels only have a 10-15 year lifespan, aren't recyclable, and require huge amounts of deep-earth minerals required through mining and quarrying (on top of the plastics used and carbon produced during manufacturing of the panels) in order to produce.
Solar power technology, as it stands today, is not renewable or sustainable, even if the world were to cut back on its energy consumption by 80%.
Much better than coal or oil. But nuclear is the way forward. Plus solar panel tech will only get better. Even will all those flaws it’s still far far better than a system of power that actively kills worldwide ecosystems by its very nature
None of this is true- solar itself is warrantied for 25 with real world usage closer to 40. The minerals in it are recyclable and not particularly valuable (you may be thinking of batteries).
@@rsmith02the silicon semiconductors which make up the actual solar cells cannot readily be recycled for use as a cell again. And the recyclable materials, like the metals, plastic, and glass, are incredibly difficult to repurpose. With only 10% of them being recycled in the US according to MIT. And because the used panels don't just go away you're going to have massive amounts of cadmium telluride and gallium arsenide laying around, both of which are horrible for your health since cadmium can burn you and arsenic is incredibly toxic. So no, they're not very recyclable, plus they can be really dangerous.
Love your videos and your breakdowns of these cool topics!
Interesting to frame the "punk" as rebellion, but cyberpunk used the work to represent the anti-authoritarian/anarchic and individualistic core of the music movement. Steampunk was less a statement of anarchism or response to authoritarian rule as it was an attempt to ape cyberpunk in a Victorian-era British aesthetic. "Solar punk", from what you are showing, also does not seem to have that individualistic or anarchic core. As such, while it may be rebellious in theme, there is no sign in what you showed of an oppressive authoritarian government.
It's giving "Real solarpunk has never been tried"
lol I see what you did there
Real nothing has been tried.
@@sporovid5856 You mean taking one stupidity and mixing it up with another?
Thumbs up for Valley of the Wind!
Solar Punk imagery and themes runs through a lot of other Studio Ghibli films too. Has always been part of the appeal to me.
"Muh capitalism,is destorying the world" 😂
And you want to know the kicker?
ITS A F***ING CHOBANI YOGURT COMMERCIAL!
Yepp. Add this explanation to "commie BS of the day".
Beautiful animation, music, and narration. Well done!
Meanwhile true solar punk is more authoritarian that cyberpunk
Also way less nature because everyone needs much more space.
Cyberpunk often has the issue that its depiction comes from californians and everything is just dust and rocks and sand around.
In other climates with more water it takes nature a couple of years till everything is overgrown and green.
@@nox5555how is it authoritarian
how is it authoritarian
@@Bell_plejdo568p What happens if you dont wanna be a green commie and build something powered by other fuel?
it actually is not
Solarpunk is the exurb of cyberpunk with all the people turning a blind eye to the inequality in the cities. The irony of this 'anti-consumerist utopia' being coming from an ad isn't lost on me.
Scratch the surface of your cute green technological farm: where do the raw resources come from? Who assembles it? Robots, probably, but who oversees it?
In cyberpunk all the excess and high technology was a large part of its critique. Solar punk has ridiculous high technology which isn't even efficient.
You have these HUGE means of production, namely the robot manufacturer. The only way for this to actually be a fair society then, is if these means are collectively owned.
Suddenly, we lose the need for the 'punk'. We have futuristic eco-socialism. Now we're just struggling with how we win our resources.
The only way for solar punk to be a thing without the above solved, is for rebels to withdraw from a more dystopian society, be it a cyberpunk one, a fascist one or another type of capitalism. They close off to the outside world other than for trade and live in their little bubble far away from the terrors and cries of the big cities where they get their tools.
Sooo... Final Fantasy 7?
Only film that reminds me of Solar Punk that was idk if it’s still in theaters is a movie named “The Creator” where yeah it’s futuristic sci-fi but has both elements of lost of humanity and humanity within robots that act as living beings and obv if you watch throughout the film you’ll see so much nature, the shots are beautiful
People need to stop blaming capitalism and realize it's corporatism that's the issue.
Trying to seperate them is like trying to seperate militarism and facism.
@tex4230 no they're two completely different and separate things. Just like militarism and Fascism. You obviously don't know the definition of these words. We have different meanings for each word for a reason. If Corporatism was the same as Capitalism, we wouldn't have separate words for them....
@tex4230 the US is militaristic. Has been since its inception. Does that mean they're all fascist? No! It just means they have aggressive military policies like a draft, billions a year on military, and one of the world's largest armed forces. South Korea is Militaristic. It's mandatory that every citizen do 2yrs service, spend billions on military and are constantly in a state of readiness.
Fascist or Fascim are the means of controlling and organizing society in which the government has complete control of the lives of the people and who are not allowed to disagree. Like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and american leftist liberal activists.
@@codyringer1857 Are you unfamiliar with the English language? Because many words have similair meanings in it. Corporatism is merely an inevitable result of capitalism.
@tex4230 which is easy... hence why there are two distinct words for it.
Franco was a fascist leader with no militaristic points.
Stalin was a militaristic leader but not a fascist (at least according to the new new new left wing definition of fascist)
The two are separate, just like your braincells
I wish solar punk was more likely to happen.
As it stands we can't feed and house the population without vast industry and farming. Idyllic open spaces and forested villages aren't reasonable to achieve for everybody while the entire species is on earth and our population is this size.
There is so much space in the world that there is plenty of room.
Population just likes to live in giant cities compared to rural areas
@@zachowon there's plenty of just space. There's a limited amout of arible temperate land.
when i hear in 2023 the world overpopulation im gonna go insane. its a myth. it doesnt exist. we actually need more people. just stop with this mainstream media nonsense
Yea and so many other factors that we can’t control.
@@zachowonthere’s plenty of room, yes. Lots of the room is in giant deserts or other inhospitable regions. Dense cities are eco-friendly because they mean less transport is necessary to bring people the things they need, and because it means more land can be preserved for wildlife.
It looks amazing
We really need to stop attaching the word “-punk” to name genres or art styles. This style is the antithesis to punk, it’s cozy and comfy. There’s nothing wrong with that, but even calling steampunk that has never felt fully accurate unless it was something about the dregs or rebels of that society.
Maybe this is supposed to be the idealised version of the world of how the rich live.
Much like how cyberpunk the idealised version of the world is one of excess and luxury, but only for those at the top.
Maybe solar punk can be the same, those at the top can live their nice eco-friendly idyllic lives, but the vast majority of people are still wage-slaves forced to mine endlessly for the materials to run the tech for the wealthy.
I'd like you to design a cyber/solar punk commune for me. Only 50 acres, all solar, wind, etc. But with 10 families living separately on the land and have a central building where everyone comes together for dinner and ale, more like a Viking hall with firepits inside the building. I can do it easily, but I'd like to see what you come up with if you have the time to quickly scribble something together, I'll do the same, and we can compare. What do you think?
Sounds culty 😂
@@Darksh0t009also sounds like a small town in the south? Everyone know each other and has a community day
Also I don’t think you want a cyberpunk commune? That’s a oxymoron. Lmao I don’t think you know what cyberpunk means.
I’m so happy your videos popped up on my feed
Solar Punk would probably be some kind of Utopian Communist scenario with a lot of skeletons in their closets once you start scratching on the surface of this seemingly Perfect Utopia.
no need to scratch even a bit to see capitalism's deaths toll. Ill take the communist utopia
Things like healthcare, education, housing, energy, should be universal. Why tarnish everything with labels? Take all the best parts of ideologies and implement them.
but yes, whatever we do there is always bound to be Skeletons.
@@nnnnnn496Anything with Punk in it's name would be a dystopia
@@harmandeepsingh8287 Well i was iterating more in terms of Reality rather than literary.
The book the giver is exactly that
A simingly utopian society that is completely controlled and death is a common punishment for stuff like flying you plane in the wrong spot or being a twin
Let’s just agree that the animation is beautiful
This is it!!! I have always been trying to have a word to describe the world of Shinsekai Yori anime when I watched it in middle school. They have all these technological advances but everyone lives so indepth with nature and farming and traditional Japanese culture.
So, solar punk has nothing to do with punk? Not culturally or aesthetically?
The genre needs renaming, something like Solartopia.
Not punk, more like solar mainstream.
I fell in love with your content ❤
Hope dami credits the animators that did the animation in the full vid this short is from. The animators are 'The Line', and the animation is called 'Dear Alice'. Its a yogust ad but its still a very beautiful animation that deserves proper credit
Do you know the name of anime that's she showed as an example?
Soo solar punk be just as broke but without the cool gadgets 😂
chobani should turn that ad into a show. not only is it advertizing but its even better than advertizing because you can put products in the background, in scenes, make it as blatant as you want as long as its written well and the scenery is always quality beautiful animation.
What movie is this? I need to see it!
It was an ad for a dairy-free milk drink.
It's called "Dear Alice" you'll find it on here.
I didn’t think of a cult at all when looking at SolarPunk works.
Thanks, never thought I needed solarpunk in my life
Thank you, I have even more reasons to hate hippies now
Just like communism, this will never work in real community 😂
What wouldnt?
I like the way you explain about it. Keep up the good content!
My factorio brain is not happy with this
Same
Where is the full video in the background please?
It's a video from the studio The Line animation
@@atomic_dreamz Thanks! I'll have to go watch the full video later, but I wanted to find the animation so I can save it for later.
The only solarpunk rebellion storyline I can think of is wanting more than what your community and family can provide. Or is willing to allow.
This feels like something came out of Ghibli Studio anime.
My personal future utopia
You can do manual labor at dawn right now. How's that going for you?
@@brianvalenti1207
Nobody can be absooutely self-sufficient. Our current society damages the climate, and while we can make our own food, extract our own water, and build our own house and tools, to attempt to truly be self-sufficient we would need to reject a lot of luxuries. That's why an important aspect of this Utopia is a social reestructuring and technological develolment, not an ecologist regression to rural life.
@@moontworks2232 I'm not stopping you. Go for it. How do you, personally, plan to start?
@@moontworks2232regression into rural life is the only viable option.
@moontworks2232 And that social restructuring is difficult and often brutal.
I'm loving these videos.
Capitalism ≠ Greed.
A system like this will also use capitalism as a foundation.
Capitalism is a free market. The things you would use in this reality would still be made by others and bought by you. That's capitalism.
How dare you say this Chobani ad supports capitalism.
The problem is that the video depicts a social structure of tight-knit familial hierarchy that is incompatible with the universalizing and deconstructionist values of progressivism. Progressive/left dreams of a solar-punk future can only happen if they re-embrace the family unit as the fundamental building block of society.
It depicts families, not "familial" hierarchy. Progressives and leftists reject patriarchal oppression and toxic gender roles, not family and community. Solar-punk is not impossible because it requires strict adherence to the nulear family, it doesn't.
It's impossible because solar is an absolutely garbage energy source.
This video stars a family but you can also live within communities who aren't blood-bound
I see a tight knit family/possibly community. I don’t think seen anything resembling a super strict heirarchy though. Also even if it is a family it certainly doesn’t depict a nuclear family.
It's just like the Cyber farm on Mars by birchpunk!
I love this aesthetic and concept, so it's pleasure to find out its name
Commie
Ah the upper middle class fantasy, meanwhile rest of us stuck in cities.
Can someone please explain to me, without corporations and capitalism, can any of us watching this video and communicated to each other like what we are doing right now?
Can't do it.
How could you wear cotton made clothes without slave labor?
Capitalism and corporations aren't necessary, they are just an undemocratic middle-man that parasitizes people's labor, needs and environment to grow and extract maximum profit.
Form some reason, a Cyberpunk future seems way more close to our reality than a Solarpunk.
Sounds like a cult
Like every punk, it means it doesn't work in reality.
So hyped for Solarpunk 2077
Looks great!
Capitalism isn't the problem.
Well corporatism is the issue, not a free market but the eternal greed and growing interest of those who value profit over long term longevity of the planet and people.
Capitalism is a waste of resources