Blizzard is clueless. Players are clueless. Real Classic+ will be lost in the clutter, and both Blizzard and players will be clueless to why vanilla blew up on pservers originally. They want an old school style mmorpg again, and we'll end up getting the same self-destruction expansion model that created the reason why vanilla was recreated to begin with. Blizzard chases money, and serves no fans. Their model can't support niche audiences. Vanilla players only want forever vanilla. TBC, and Wrath players are a separate audience. Cata shouldn't even be talked about. Blizzard ripped off Warhammer originally, and they should adopt their current model with dedicated games to different Warcraft time periods with each game it's unique gameplay style. Vanilla can't have flight, it can't have massive gear leaps, or relocating the player base to different cites across the world or universe. There can't be expansions that destroy the previous game. Expand on the game without changing it's core design principles, THAT is Classic+, not repeating the mistakes of the past and throwing the baby out with the bathwater (baby = original Wow world and feel).
the thing is tho classic starts at the end of warcraft 3.. so in that potential world theres still Arthas up in Northrend and what not so it kind of has to naturally atleast go that far. They could try to implement those storylines in a alternate timeline type deal and keep a super classic type feel to the alternate game tho.
Blizzard will never get Classic+ right unless they dedicate 4 years of development time and really study what made Vanilla WoW so great. But the higher-ups just can't justify the cost. Oh and what about the losing out on potential microtransactions :(((
Also, MMO's are kind of a temporary thing if you don't do it right, EVE online is a good example of how to do an MMO over a long period of time, but the continuous addition of content, features, and systems is getting bloated similar to Path of Exile.
Vanilla Era, TBC Era and Wrath Era all sound good, but I am looking for Classic Plus (or Classic 2), where they just make Vanilla "complete" as it was meant to be, give us some shiny improved and new armor sets, weapon graphics and mounts, fix lag for massive world pvp, and make some tiny adjustments to underperforming classes.
@@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN era and hardcore are running by themselves, cata und next expansions no one really asked for, shouldn’t have happened, or worked on by a different team, it’s not classic anymore. And ideally there should be much more than just 5 people working on a classic plus version for sure.
@@ajudmeister Yes, it should be more, but there aren't. You are expecting miracles by a team of 5. Be realistic about this lol. Era and Hardcore are not running by themselves, after every SoD update it gets leaked to those versions, which they have to fix.
you will never get a classic+ where they will just finish vanilla. and the reason is because the playerbase that drives classic+ doesnt just wand some more quests and dungeons. they want a heavy retail like version of vanilla.
Mop should not be considered Classic at all. Talent system changes, visual overhauls, etc. When Cata is done I as many other people will probably come back if they make SoD versions of the versions we like like TBC, Wotlk etc. To all the people that like MoP all good for u but that is not Classic! Would like a War4 the most but not happening sadly.
I agree. I think MoP is too far out from what Classic is. I can even understand Cataclysm, even if I disagree with it. But MoP and onwards is too far out.
Bliz wants evergreen content. They should do a rogue-lite version of hardcore that allows some unlock progression, and chromie time era servers that snapshot your character in each expansion and lets you move between them with seperate progressions
Classic Vanilla+ is what people want not Season of Lich King or TBC SoD. Vanilla is 2004-2006 and TBC is not what Vanilla Andys want. TBC Classic was alright but TBC should have never happened when it did to begin with, they should have kept building on Vanilla instead of pushing so much stuff off into future expansions. That's the main reason people want Classic+
dude, classic vanilla+???? this is just what the streamers have been saying for the last years, im tired of that, what does classic + even means???? people dont even know what they want
Classic+ means more lvl 60 content, better balance without making any of the already, existent content obsolete. Tbc made all of lvl 60 endgame redudant. This is the oppsoitve of clsssic+. Adding tbc cavern of times as lvl 60 t3. 5 raid would be classic plus. Look up turtle wow if you want to know how it could look like.
@@Zebrastreifen77 so let me get this right. I assume you already got a toon or many toons in classic or retail, whatever, you been progressing with those toons, you wanna start from 0 in some dumb "classic plus" or whatever the name is? So the progress you made in 1, 2 3 4 or 5 years means nothing? your time means nothing?
@@Zeth408yes I want to “start from 0” in a version of the game that would meet 98% of my criteria for an ideal game. As opposed to the current iterations of wow, which meet 0-70% of my criteria.
Running back the original 3 until classic + is really the only way , not sure if I want to re roll classic after playing sod but I like this idea 😁 another great video brother !
You know what could be cool.. classic (vanilla) > classic plus > tbc > wotlk with a fresh/transfer up to next xpac option after each transition (except classic > classic plus of course).
I dont know why theese youtubers talk like fresh wow is what players want. Players want classic pluss. Its like it been told by blizzard we gonna make same crap over and over again. If that so good luck. But players want classic+.
Want Classic Plus but I'm totally overwhelmed with all the wow going on already that I don't care if it's another year or two. I do want MoP classic to hit sometime next year, since I never did it back in the day.
@VegetoStevieD fair, but with an MMORPG people just think it's gonna be the same, but it isn't. It's the nostalgia people chase after. There's no nostalgia in chess really, it hasn't changed that much in 1500 years.
This take is so stupid man. Really? You really think nostalgia is the one reason people like classic? Nothing to do with being one of the best games to ever exist? People are just chasing nostalgia of course, it has nothing to do with loving the world, the mechanics, the lore, the raids. Of course it can't be replicated, absolutely no one is under the impression they are going to get a game which sends them back 20 years into the past lol. But you can replicate game design. You can replicate story writing, you can replicate world building. You can replicate your giant head being released from your ass for just long enough to realize the things I've listed are the qualities that players want replicated.
@@rosspritchett8423 You can think what you want, but we all know it's the truth. Look at all the classic servers, they're all dead. I even played on nostalgias, that had more population than the current wow classic. (which leads me to believe people don't want to pay for wow anymore). It would seem people are getting bored of classic, or are just outgrowing WOW in general. It's not really a stupid take at all, it's a take nonetheless.
I have been saying for quite some time. To make Classic + an absolute bomb, continuation from Wrath of the Lick King, an arc with Arthas' redemption. 1- Alternate Timeline or any other plot convenience they may choose. 2- At the final Battle at Icecrown Citadel, Tirion strucks the Helm of Domination instead of Frostmourne, freeing Arthas from Ner'zhul's grasp. 3- There is no Lich King, and the Scourge goes rampant as Terenas warned, wrecking havok on all over Azeroth. 4- Scourge is completely loose in the beginning, and as the plot progresses a relevant figure of the Scourge/Burning Legion would try to control the Scourge, birthing a new big bad guy. 5- Arthas would fight by our side, but not having the Light. Having forsakened it, he would seek atonement for his heinous acts. 6- He would recover the Light, flicker by flicker, as he progresses trough his atonement. 7- Arthas would try to claim his family's honor and legacy, restoring Lordaeron and becoming its King.
You think those progression realms / era servers are coming at the end of SoD? So they can focus on the development of classic plus or perhaps in the upcoming months already as alternative for classic player next to SoD?
It's hard to say with Microsoft taking over now, they will probably change the path blizz set out, which tbh I bet sucked. So it should be somewhat better that the shit blizz originally had planned.
I just got a “10 minute” survey that took me 30 minutes and it only asked one question about MOP just if I’d play or not. Most other questions were about SoD, Classic, Classic+ and TWW. Can’t go into detail cause I signed a thing too but sounds like they cooking some things up
So, I love the idea of a Classic Progression server. But, this is what i think Blizzard should do... Every time the Classic Progression get's to Cata, open the next set of Classic Progression... but do not stop the progression of the other servers, keep going past Cata. There are a large group of Players, including young new players that want to experience the game as it progresses through Classic to Retail... Once the progression reaches Retail, it merges in... But open up server transfers for players that do not want to progress to the next step, but want to move into a server going into the phase that they want to stay in. But I do believe Progression servers are necessary. It's kept Everquest Classic live for so many years, and I love EQ... I grew into MMO's with EQ and love the classic feel... but the other benefit for new and returning players with progression servers is for those that want to dive into the story... and learn it through each expansion. I would hate to go to Cata or stop at Frozen throne, and have to go to Retail and deal with the Cromie system to go into the past... I would rather a smooth process through a progression purpose server to get new and returning players wanting to live through the progression of Wow from Day 1 to where Retail is now.
With classic+ they should do classic but with reimagined lore,gear, dungeons, raids, quest, and etc. classic is cool and all but honestly judging by how dead the servers are I think people are tired of playing through the same game over and over again.
The re-releases of BC and WOTLK showed that people’s opinion of Cata being the step into modern wow isn’t exactly true. The ground work for retails style of gameplay and progression started in BC and really became its modern iteration in Wrath as much as people may not want to admit that. Right now retail is doing very well, while SOD hasn’t maintained a high population. The devs are going with where the money is and what they are good at doing. Doubtful to see anything other than a vanilla fresh as I think classic + will not be what people hope it will.
It's funny how Blizzard doesn't learn from their past mistakes. Cata shouldn't have happened, it's not classic. They just did it to sell a mount and a character boost. And in consequence most classic playerbase was lost...again
i don`t know ... if we get all 3 expansions on era starting from scratch it won`t be a good thing because it will split the players on 3 different things and mop is just dog shit it shouldn`t even be an idea, one thing i would like to see is tbc sod. The model of p1 in sod was very good and blizzard should look more into that, p2 was ok too but when we got in p3 things started to get very messy and people started to quit sod and wow, the 10 man raids were very nice and they should`ve kept it that way.As for p4 it just became like retail nothing to see there, and then they made runes from p2 and p3 cost reals when they should be bought with gold, farming reals to get some runes to start a new char sounds stupid and it feels like a chore
i know people want Fresh but if just starting over without fixing the issues that is the reason why people want Fresh in the first place the issues is just gonna come again and i think SOD proof those issues comes ALOT faster compare to 2019´s release like in week 1-2 there was already GDKP spam in LFG chat(lucky banned now and sure only was lvl25 but kinda still show my point), warlocks summons prices is inflated af p1=1g, p2=2g, p3=5g, and phase 4=10g & can easy see it become 20g and insane Big gold sinks is not the solution : people buy gold in order to get the 100% speed mount: why not having smaller amount gold sinks instead but more of them
I know SOD is a trial for Classic+, but its so far away from classic style that i cannot be bothered playing it anymore tbh. I have such a good "small" guild with rly fun and nice ppl, but that just not enough for me. Blizzard dont know what they are doing, they are getting closer to retail, than something like turtlewow, which have basically everything Classic+ needs and the only reason i dont play turtlewow is because i hate loosing all my chars and things i've achieved like happend with nostalrius and such.
No good will here. SoD was a fail for me and my friends... I'm on one of the old classic servers and the HC server. Bliz already has screwed and broken their promise about preserving the old classic servers as they were when they transitioned to TBC. And I never wanted a return to Cata (I played on the classic progression thru LK and had to abandon my characters as the build changes for Cata ruined my characters). Zero interest in the mess that is retail. They burned that bridge long ago for me in BFA.
Fckin fresh plz!!!!! but i do like the fact i can hop on era whenever i want and play my toon with no worries , and i also miss tbc alottt so progression servers would be cool.
@ebonhardt your ideas of this spreads the player base even more.... Fresh classic is a good idea every few years. Having TBC era and WoTLK era is a piss poor idea by someone farming for content as a creator.
I won't even lie to you, I probably won't play TBC Era or WotLK Era ever. I'd play TBC Fresh once, and maybe I'd revisit it every 2-3 cycles. But I'm a diehard Classic+ Andy and that's all I really want. I'm just currently making content about all the upcoming things Blizzard can do.
@@EbonhardtTV fresh servers is a thing in almost all mmos, it's actually just a mindset and a way people consume games nowadays. We wanna rush a game from 0 once in a while with everyone on the same level at start.
Release Vanilla fresh, and than let it progess all the way to WotLK. When the WotlK ends, keep it as an Era server and let people keep their chars.. release another Vanilla fresh and go again. Everyone happy. Drop this PLUS nonsense, everyone know it just won't work.
For me Cataclysm still is classic. We still have the old talents, raid are still have 2 difficulty, normal and hard (until LFR), we don't have to farm absurd amount of borrowed power, we don't have all the same legendary (ring, cape, artifact weapon...), no mythic plus dungeon. Yes, i know, the world was remade, in part to accommodate old world flying, in part to drive the deathwing narrative, and yes, we got LFR toward the end. For me, retail truly start in MoP. Cataclysm is like a bridge expansion between classic and retail, bu still classic for the most part.
What killed Wrath was their "Bring the player, not the class" mentality, basically dumbing down the gameplay. In my case, my main was a holy priest, and I did a lot of raid healing in TBC. In Vanilla and TBC, knowing how to downrank spells was an essential skill for holy priests. In fact, the priest epic staff (Benediction/Anathema) quest chain tested your ability to do just that. Downranking was removed in Wrath. I did the quest chain on my BElf priest at level 70 in late TBC, and *attempted* it on my Human priest at level 80, but kept running out of mana, despite having MUCH better gear.
So cringe to hear all content creators saying “classic+” is coming. SOD is classic+, people didnt like it that much, but it still is classic+. Everytime, content creators talk about what “classic+” is or should be, they literally enumerate features in SOD and maybe a few new ones like new or reworked races.
@@OrchinX i am hyped. I can't wait for Blizzard not to meet Reddit's expectations because they just laid off another 400 employees today, and the team consists of 5 individuals, who are already overseeing 4 iterations of classic. Let's go. CLASSIC+ HYPE HYPE
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you said so many words but also managed to say absolutely nothing
what you expect? they gonna milk this now
Thank you for saving me from everything but your 12 words.
Lol
Blizzard is clueless. Players are clueless. Real Classic+ will be lost in the clutter, and both Blizzard and players will be clueless to why vanilla blew up on pservers originally. They want an old school style mmorpg again, and we'll end up getting the same self-destruction expansion model that created the reason why vanilla was recreated to begin with. Blizzard chases money, and serves no fans. Their model can't support niche audiences. Vanilla players only want forever vanilla. TBC, and Wrath players are a separate audience. Cata shouldn't even be talked about. Blizzard ripped off Warhammer originally, and they should adopt their current model with dedicated games to different Warcraft time periods with each game it's unique gameplay style. Vanilla can't have flight, it can't have massive gear leaps, or relocating the player base to different cites across the world or universe. There can't be expansions that destroy the previous game. Expand on the game without changing it's core design principles, THAT is Classic+, not repeating the mistakes of the past and throwing the baby out with the bathwater (baby = original Wow world and feel).
the thing is tho classic starts at the end of warcraft 3.. so in that potential world theres still Arthas up in Northrend and what not so it kind of has to naturally atleast go that far. They could try to implement those storylines in a alternate timeline type deal and keep a super classic type feel to the alternate game tho.
why do i feel this post is actually accurate to the development of wow :(
Blizzard will never get Classic+ right unless they dedicate 4 years of development time and really study what made Vanilla WoW so great.
But the higher-ups just can't justify the cost. Oh and what about the losing out on potential microtransactions :(((
This is the truth truth
Also, MMO's are kind of a temporary thing if you don't do it right, EVE online is a good example of how to do an MMO over a long period of time, but the continuous addition of content, features, and systems is getting bloated similar to Path of Exile.
Vanilla Era, TBC Era and Wrath Era all sound good, but I am looking for Classic Plus (or Classic 2), where they just make Vanilla "complete" as it was meant to be, give us some shiny improved and new armor sets, weapon graphics and mounts, fix lag for massive world pvp, and make some tiny adjustments to underperforming classes.
Grim Batol, unfinished. Azshara, unfinished. Hyjal and emerald dream, never implemented. There is plenty to work with.
And you do know it's a team of 5 that's overseeing Hardcore, Era, Cata, and now SoD, yes?
@@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN era and hardcore are running by themselves, cata und next expansions no one really asked for, shouldn’t have happened, or worked on by a different team, it’s not classic anymore. And ideally there should be much more than just 5 people working on a classic plus version for sure.
@@ajudmeister Yes, it should be more, but there aren't. You are expecting miracles by a team of 5. Be realistic about this lol. Era and Hardcore are not running by themselves, after every SoD update it gets leaked to those versions, which they have to fix.
you will never get a classic+ where they will just finish vanilla. and the reason is because the playerbase that drives classic+ doesnt just wand some more quests and dungeons. they want a heavy retail like version of vanilla.
I just want tbc era
I want BC era so bad.
Yea I am in the same boat haha I love the leveling experience in TBC and sucks I can't just log on and level a toon at will.
Mop should not be considered Classic at all. Talent system changes, visual overhauls, etc. When Cata is done I as many other people will probably come back if they make SoD versions of the versions we like like TBC, Wotlk etc. To all the people that like MoP all good for u but that is not Classic! Would like a War4 the most but not happening sadly.
Visual overhauls don’t come till WOD…
I agree. I think MoP is too far out from what Classic is. I can even understand Cataclysm, even if I disagree with it. But MoP and onwards is too far out.
@@EbonhardtTV but at this point why not just let people who want to continue there characters?
I'm not against people continuing. They are clearly making the game anyway, Im just not personally interested but I'm happy for the people who are.
they already did MOP in a "Remix" so they have seen how popular it actually was and can base their decision where to go off of that data
Bliz wants evergreen content. They should do a rogue-lite version of hardcore that allows some unlock progression, and chromie time era servers that snapshot your character in each expansion and lets you move between them with seperate progressions
When is the Blizzard Direct happening?
My best estimate is last week of October or 1st week of November. Cant confirm the exact date, but that's my estimate give or take.
@@EbonhardtTV Thanks man! :)
Turtle wow 1.17.2 is coming soon!
I am curious to see how they pull off a supposedly playable version in Unreal Engine.
Who
Classic Vanilla+ is what people want not Season of Lich King or TBC SoD. Vanilla is 2004-2006 and TBC is not what Vanilla Andys want. TBC Classic was alright but TBC should have never happened when it did to begin with, they should have kept building on Vanilla instead of pushing so much stuff off into future expansions. That's the main reason people want Classic+
dude, classic vanilla+???? this is just what the streamers have been saying for the last years, im tired of that, what does classic + even means???? people dont even know what they want
Classic+ means more lvl 60 content, better balance without making any of the already, existent content obsolete.
Tbc made all of lvl 60 endgame redudant. This is the oppsoitve of clsssic+.
Adding tbc cavern of times as lvl 60 t3. 5 raid would be classic plus.
Look up turtle wow if you want to know how it could look like.
@@Zebrastreifen77 so let me get this right. I assume you already got a toon or many toons in classic or retail, whatever, you been progressing with those toons, you wanna start from 0 in some dumb "classic plus" or whatever the name is?
So the progress you made in 1, 2 3 4 or 5 years means nothing? your time means nothing?
@@Zeth408yes I want to “start from 0” in a version of the game that would meet 98% of my criteria for an ideal game. As opposed to the current iterations of wow, which meet 0-70% of my criteria.
Many players want TBC and Wrath though
Running back the original 3 until classic + is really the only way , not sure if I want to re roll classic after playing sod but I like this idea 😁 another great video brother !
You know what could be cool.. classic (vanilla) > classic plus > tbc > wotlk with a fresh/transfer up to next xpac option after each transition (except classic > classic plus of course).
I dont know why theese youtubers talk like fresh wow is what players want. Players want classic pluss. Its like it been told by blizzard we gonna make same crap over and over again. If that so good luck. But players want classic+.
I second your sentiment and would like to say that anyone asking for anything else is wrong
Want Classic Plus but I'm totally overwhelmed with all the wow going on already that I don't care if it's another year or two. I do want MoP classic to hit sometime next year, since I never did it back in the day.
Classic was an era. You can not replicate it.
Whatever. Chess is 1,500 years old and people still play it.
People are so spoiled now.
@VegetoStevieD fair, but with an MMORPG people just think it's gonna be the same, but it isn't. It's the nostalgia people chase after. There's no nostalgia in chess really, it hasn't changed that much in 1500 years.
@@brandonboss6868 It's actually the greatest game ever made.
This take is so stupid man. Really? You really think nostalgia is the one reason people like classic? Nothing to do with being one of the best games to ever exist? People are just chasing nostalgia of course, it has nothing to do with loving the world, the mechanics, the lore, the raids. Of course it can't be replicated, absolutely no one is under the impression they are going to get a game which sends them back 20 years into the past lol. But you can replicate game design. You can replicate story writing, you can replicate world building. You can replicate your giant head being released from your ass for just long enough to realize the things I've listed are the qualities that players want replicated.
@@rosspritchett8423 You can think what you want, but we all know it's the truth. Look at all the classic servers, they're all dead. I even played on nostalgias, that had more population than the current wow classic. (which leads me to believe people don't want to pay for wow anymore). It would seem people are getting bored of classic, or are just outgrowing WOW in general. It's not really a stupid take at all, it's a take nonetheless.
It sounds all good, but do you really expect blizzard to do their job properly?
Perma CLASSIC/TBC/WOTLK
I dont give F about retail
I have been saying for quite some time. To make Classic + an absolute bomb, continuation from Wrath of the Lick King, an arc with Arthas' redemption.
1- Alternate Timeline or any other plot convenience they may choose.
2- At the final Battle at Icecrown Citadel, Tirion strucks the Helm of Domination instead of Frostmourne, freeing Arthas from Ner'zhul's grasp.
3- There is no Lich King, and the Scourge goes rampant as Terenas warned, wrecking havok on all over Azeroth.
4- Scourge is completely loose in the beginning, and as the plot progresses a relevant figure of the Scourge/Burning Legion would try to control the Scourge, birthing a new big bad guy.
5- Arthas would fight by our side, but not having the Light. Having forsakened it, he would seek atonement for his heinous acts.
6- He would recover the Light, flicker by flicker, as he progresses trough his atonement.
7- Arthas would try to claim his family's honor and legacy, restoring Lordaeron and becoming its King.
It's really not hard, just get the Turtle team but use BC talents.
Please TBC release it @Theblizzardcompany 🥶
You think those progression realms / era servers are coming at the end of SoD? So they can focus on the development of classic plus or perhaps in the upcoming months already as alternative for classic player next to SoD?
It's hard to say with Microsoft taking over now, they will probably change the path blizz set out, which tbh I bet sucked.
So it should be somewhat better that the shit blizz originally had planned.
I dont want classic progression servers I don't want to play tbc or wotlk again I want a real classic plus.
I DO want classic progression servers, I DO want to play tbc or wotlk again and I DO want a real classic plus.
@@carlosmoreno-uk9wx you think you do but you don't
I just got a “10 minute” survey that took me 30 minutes and it only asked one question about MOP just if I’d play or not. Most other questions were about SoD, Classic, Classic+ and TWW. Can’t go into detail cause I signed a thing too but sounds like they cooking some things up
So, I love the idea of a Classic Progression server. But, this is what i think Blizzard should do... Every time the Classic Progression get's to Cata, open the next set of Classic Progression... but do not stop the progression of the other servers, keep going past Cata. There are a large group of Players, including young new players that want to experience the game as it progresses through Classic to Retail... Once the progression reaches Retail, it merges in... But open up server transfers for players that do not want to progress to the next step, but want to move into a server going into the phase that they want to stay in. But I do believe Progression servers are necessary. It's kept Everquest Classic live for so many years, and I love EQ... I grew into MMO's with EQ and love the classic feel... but the other benefit for new and returning players with progression servers is for those that want to dive into the story... and learn it through each expansion. I would hate to go to Cata or stop at Frozen throne, and have to go to Retail and deal with the Cromie system to go into the past... I would rather a smooth process through a progression purpose server to get new and returning players wanting to live through the progression of Wow from Day 1 to where Retail is now.
Blizzard under there own powers cancelled the event because they had other things to do it wasn’t a Microsoft thing
With classic+ they should do classic but with reimagined lore,gear, dungeons, raids, quest, and etc. classic is cool and all but honestly judging by how dead the servers are I think people are tired of playing through the same game over and over again.
Someone convince bliz to add 0.5.3 beta gnome customizations to sod I love them lol
The re-releases of BC and WOTLK showed that people’s opinion of Cata being the step into modern wow isn’t exactly true. The ground work for retails style of gameplay and progression started in BC and really became its modern iteration in Wrath as much as people may not want to admit that. Right now retail is doing very well, while SOD hasn’t maintained a high population. The devs are going with where the money is and what they are good at doing. Doubtful to see anything other than a vanilla fresh as I think classic + will not be what people hope it will.
It's funny how Blizzard doesn't learn from their past mistakes. Cata shouldn't have happened, it's not classic. They just did it to sell a mount and a character boost. And in consequence most classic playerbase was lost...again
I have given up on blizzard, finally gone turtle wow and loving it.
welcome, I hope you enjoy your stay !
Blizzard subscribers: we want classic+
Torta: we have classic+ at home for free
Do u pay any money for turtle wow?
@@AshKetchum2011 no
It really sucks there's never going to be another Blizzcon,but, Putting on an event like that is really really expensive
Nice haircut bro, you look great. Oh yeah good video too :D:D:D
i don`t know ... if we get all 3 expansions on era starting from scratch it won`t be a good thing because it will split the players on 3 different things and mop is just dog shit it shouldn`t even be an idea, one thing i would like to see is tbc sod. The model of p1 in sod was very good and blizzard should look more into that, p2 was ok too but when we got in p3 things started to get very messy and people started to quit sod and wow, the 10 man raids were very nice and they should`ve kept it that way.As for p4 it just became like retail nothing to see there, and then they made runes from p2 and p3 cost reals when they should be bought with gold, farming reals to get some runes to start a new char sounds stupid and it feels like a chore
i know people want Fresh but if just starting over without fixing the issues that is the reason why people want Fresh in the first place
the issues is just gonna come again and i think SOD proof those issues comes ALOT faster compare to 2019´s release
like in week 1-2 there was already GDKP spam in LFG chat(lucky banned now and sure only was lvl25 but kinda still show my point), warlocks summons prices is inflated af p1=1g, p2=2g, p3=5g, and phase 4=10g & can easy see it become 20g
and insane Big gold sinks is not the solution : people buy gold in order to get the 100% speed mount: why not having smaller amount gold sinks instead but more of them
Now you, Wille and Hammerdance have said the same thing. Obviously you have some inside info.
Go home everyone he's wasting everyone's time.
I know SOD is a trial for Classic+, but its so far away from classic style that i cannot be bothered playing it anymore tbh.
I have such a good "small" guild with rly fun and nice ppl, but that just not enough for me.
Blizzard dont know what they are doing, they are getting closer to retail, than something like turtlewow, which have basically everything Classic+ needs and the only reason i dont play turtlewow is because i hate loosing all my chars and things i've achieved like happend with nostalrius and such.
Microsoft did not cancel blizzcon
No good will here. SoD was a fail for me and my friends... I'm on one of the old classic servers and the HC server. Bliz already has screwed and broken their promise about preserving the old classic servers as they were when they transitioned to TBC. And I never wanted a return to Cata (I played on the classic progression thru LK and had to abandon my characters as the build changes for Cata ruined my characters).
Zero interest in the mess that is retail. They burned that bridge long ago for me in BFA.
You repeated yourself 10 times.
I will try for 15 next video lmao
@@EbonhardtTV lmfao do 20 and shout gofish out when you do it for being an idiot
Fckin fresh plz!!!!! but i do like the fact i can hop on era whenever i want and play my toon with no worries , and i also miss tbc alottt so progression servers would be cool.
I’m having g fun with cata classic but honestly 5 months of phase 1 is way too long
Isnt SoD still going? why are people already wanting another reset.
"No interaction with the audience."
@ebonhardt your ideas of this spreads the player base even more.... Fresh classic is a good idea every few years. Having TBC era and WoTLK era is a piss poor idea by someone farming for content as a creator.
I won't even lie to you, I probably won't play TBC Era or WotLK Era ever. I'd play TBC Fresh once, and maybe I'd revisit it every 2-3 cycles. But I'm a diehard Classic+ Andy and that's all I really want. I'm just currently making content about all the upcoming things Blizzard can do.
Playeble Murloc Race
I dont like fresh.
I'm still not sure if it's super wanted or a very loud minority. Blizzard has the metrics and analytics, so we'll find out at Warcraft Direct
I don’t want to level 1-60 again tbh. I could do 60-70 and 70-80 though.
@@EbonhardtTV fresh servers is a thing in almost all mmos, it's actually just a mindset and a way people consume games nowadays. We wanna rush a game from 0 once in a while with everyone on the same level at start.
hey look at that new mic
Need bot to be fixed, it was a real poison in 2019
Anything else but FRESH vanilla will be a huge disappointment
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These devs suck tho, every sod event is either bugged or sucks ass
war within classic :DD
So click bait
So you're buying the same product for a second time esentially, no? Right.
TBC SOD?!
It might happen. Kinda unlikely but not impossible
TBC Hardcore, possibly
Release Vanilla fresh, and than let it progess all the way to WotLK. When the WotlK ends, keep it as an Era server and let people keep their chars.. release another Vanilla fresh and go again. Everyone happy. Drop this PLUS nonsense, everyone know it just won't work.
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Nora Ferry
The future of WoW is private servers.
Huge title that says nothing
For me Cataclysm still is classic. We still have the old talents, raid are still have 2 difficulty, normal and hard (until LFR), we don't have to farm absurd amount of borrowed power, we don't have all the same legendary (ring, cape, artifact weapon...), no mythic plus dungeon.
Yes, i know, the world was remade, in part to accommodate old world flying, in part to drive the deathwing narrative, and yes, we got LFR toward the end.
For me, retail truly start in MoP. Cataclysm is like a bridge expansion between classic and retail, bu still classic for the most part.
The economy discussion is irrelevant because you can’t stop botting. The economy will only be fresh for the first three months maybe.
Is this content, or is it nontent?
very nice video! I mean clickbait... video
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No TBC era. No Wrath era.
They are worse versions of Vanilla and Retail respectively.
tbc hype!!
@@IvanBebozmoBeozo TBC as part of Vanilla's world sure why not
make original 2004 launch vanilla just add furbolg and murloc as allied races, horde can get worgen and ogre
I have always wanted a orge race so bad.
I am NOT interested in any of those races. High Elf or forget it.
cata is so bad
I truly do not think there is a big desire for TBC or WotLK era. WotLK was pretty dead soon after Icecrown came out.
Look at the comments on WillE's recent video - it's COVERED in comments asking for TBC classic, along with the forums. It's highly desired.
@@Miller1107 If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I just don't see it. Seems like something that would see a lot of initial play and quickly die out.
What killed Wrath was their "Bring the player, not the class" mentality, basically dumbing down the gameplay. In my case, my main was a holy priest, and I did a lot of raid healing in TBC. In Vanilla and TBC, knowing how to downrank spells was an essential skill for holy priests. In fact, the priest epic staff (Benediction/Anathema) quest chain tested your ability to do just that. Downranking was removed in Wrath. I did the quest chain on my BElf priest at level 70 in late TBC, and *attempted* it on my Human priest at level 80, but kept running out of mana, despite having MUCH better gear.
Aint got that 20 bucks for a real haircut bro?
I paid more than 20$ for this haircut :(
So cringe to hear all content creators saying “classic+” is coming.
SOD is classic+, people didnt like it that much, but it still is classic+.
Everytime, content creators talk about what “classic+” is or should be, they literally enumerate features in SOD and maybe a few new ones like new or reworked races.
Exactly. Any iteration of vanilla is essentially a classic+, but ppl cant accept it.
Everyone wants Blizzard to hire the Turtle WoW team. It's not going to happen.
Ok nice rant but it’s literally confirmed.
@@OrchinX i am hyped. I can't wait for Blizzard not to meet Reddit's expectations because they just laid off another 400 employees today, and the team consists of 5 individuals, who are already overseeing 4 iterations of classic. Let's go. CLASSIC+ HYPE HYPE
i just want MOP classic and gladiator tittles for 2v2, i dont care about "wow plus or whatever the streamers wants" i just want mop
Classic is trash, and so is the player base.
It's the worst of all of the WoW demand memes distilled into pure dredge.
I think Classic players log into Classic so they meet people who are not you.
Ebonhardt, you're almost 40 years old. It's time to let it go. It's ok. We are here to support you.
Eyo, 40??? I'm not even 30 yet lmao
Classic players are crazy.
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