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Mine just came in the mail today and I have it installed. On Watch Dogs I'm seeing temps of 74c - 76c max gpu fan & front case fans! This is with no OC whatsoever!
I just got the Titan V Monday, I also have a set of Titan X's in SLI and two set of Quadro 5000's in SLI on my workstations. I have found all of these cards lacking in the cooling department and losing performance whether I am gaming, rendering or doing computation just sucks across the board. I overclock everything I use including though limited the Dual Xeons workstations. Even a simple 3% increase can cut off 10 hours on some of the things I do. So to answer your question, yes I would be interested in a better cooling hybrid solution as long as care is taken to account for the hardware attachment to the PCB as to not damage it. I have not been able to get mine past 150/150 but mine is in a large Phanteks (lol typed Phantook) case with dual Xeons that have Corsair water cooling and 128 GB memory, not a gaming rig but yes I do game with it quite well. It is a quite box with good air flow but not as free as out in the open. The Titan X's in SLI that I removed were running 125/250 in the same case on auto, if I wanted to drown out the office at 90% they could reach 175/275 and run that way for weeks at a time.
Gamers Nexus Can you please show 580, Vega56 and Vega64 with and without crossfire overclocked, undervolted and full optimized with latest adrenalin features against overclocked Volta, Xp, 1080Ti, 1080 (with and without SLI). Using games and synthetic benchmarks with Vulkan and directX12, compared with current prices and AMD recommended prices. To me Xp and Volta are price fail. Current rocket pricing for AMD only shows it is market demanded and so better than nvidia.
+Gamer Nexus The company I work for bought these for many of our programming team. The reason why we prefer science (pro) cards to have a blower fan is because they get put in OEM machine from dell, hp.They often do not have a exit flow fan and only an intake so the gpu helps in expelling some of the heat. Also we've had issues with putting non "reference" cards in OEM builds when it comes to warranting a machine. Hope it helps a bit to explain.
We (automotive company) used that type of card with the blower type cooler in prototype autonomous testbed vehicles (company ordered 300+ 1080FE’s) they were in a small custom box with 6 itx computers and 2 1080’s in each car.
Tesla does a similar thing with Titan XP's. They every now and then buy several custom machines at a time. Not sure if the systems cook to death or if they just keep having new test vehicles.
For computation. Graphics cards do a lot more than just render pictures, especially these high end cards. They can do a lot more math than a cpu can at the same price.
Morbidcrab There's a lot of poor furries, trust me haha. It just so happens that there's a ton of furries in IT/Computer Science fields which pay handsomely. It's pretty common to be working with multiple furries at some of those jobs from what I've heard from IT friends.
At my university people rarely sit in front of the workstations (there are quadro cards in there ,no Titans, but I think my point is still valid). Most of the time they use a laptop to connect via SSH to the workstation, so noise output isn't really a concern. In a real production environment learning is most likely not done in a matter of minutes (unless you are showing that your algorithmus is 1% faster and/or better on a given benchmark dataset), so people won't sit in front of the workstation and wait until the result is there. It's not like gaming where the user is in front of the computer all the time and waiting for the result. It's more like rendering. No one really cares about the noise output of a rendering machine, because no one sits in front of it and waits hours or even days for the result.
blower style fits into every case though, thats the main point. you can put it it next to 7 others of its kind into a rack. good luck doing that with a card that has normal fans.
GN: I'm familiar with some companies who are ordering them to add to rack mount servers (unsupported by Dell, HPE, etc) as a cheap alternative to the Nvidia DGX server with the V100's when they don't need the additional V100 features. They're happy to have that perf at a comparatively low price and don't really miss the extra perf that would come from a better cooler. Plus they're in rack servers so blower is a must.
I purchased a couple of Titan X (Maxwell) cards back in the day for my gaming rig. Ended up custom water cooling both of them due to the stock coolers being horrible. They're now maxing out at a comfortable 45 C with 20 C ambient at 1.4GHz under gaming load. Aftermarket cooling was definitely worth it for me seeing as I got a great performance boost with much better thermals.
Stock coolers are so rubbish, they make such an expensive card and fuck it up with this joke, I also still can't believe that nvidia is charging 100$ more for "founders edition" for no reason... Like what are you paying for? Thermal throttling as a feature? Awful noise?
It should come with a fully custom loop. Before anyone says but people using titan v don't know how to use or maintain a loop, they are that rich they can get the butler to do it for them.
Lawrence Timme not everyone, you are thinking of massive corporations with huge check books. Many small businesses use small racks for their equipment, but don't necessarily have the budget for a quadro.
Just a heads up, I don't know anything about the Titan V but I did stay at a Holliday inn last night so I'm kind of an expert now. Just wanted to let you know you're not gonna do what you did.
Hi GN, we do ML for roughly 5 years now with Titan cards and we now have 24 of them. Most of them are in rack mounted workstations with 4 GPUs in each. In the server room the ambient temp is 15 °C so the cards stay well below 80°C most of the time. In this setup the most important part is that the hot air is not pumped into the case but leaves the case right away. We even have a machine now with 8 Titan Xp in the same case and it works fine. We naturally don't overclock the GPUs since they are training networks sometimes for several days in a row. We never had issues with thermal throttling and we would use this kind of cooler also in the future without hesitation.
My guess is most people who buy this card for what it is meant for will be throwing it in a workstation or rack mount, both of which usually have a very direct path for airflow. You wouldn't want a GPU that throws hot air in every which way, because you could screw up the airflow for the entire system. A cooler like this is suitable for the environment it will likely be used in.
Agreed. We've been thinking that a rack-mount configuration with high CFM intakes would allow for the greatest count of adjacent GPUs. That said, we still think the blower could be a better version of itself.
Alex939 you can't fit an AIO in a rack mount, and even if you could fit it into a workstation, you would drastically change the airflow inside the case, maybe to the point where you throttle other components because of it.
AIO is even less practical than your normal 3 fan card because you have extra tubes and radiator to manage and stuff. if you have a blower style cooler like this one you can mount 8 of them in one rack mount case right up to eachother with no problem.
I remember with the original Titan and I believe the Titan Z (Didn't use many of those) when they actually tried to add FP64 performance over FP32 instead of just making a bigger (X)80 series card we used to cram these into rack mounted cases that had four of those small 90mm high airflow fans facing into the intake at the rear of the card so the fan on the cooler only did a little to maintain even pressure in the case so we didn't get heat build up from the gap in the fans to the cards. Usually kept the cards around 75º without any room cooling which we thought was good enough. If you do the dual fans against each other like you need in a rack mount then you can get some bad clearance issues or some turbulence issues when rack mounting with internal high rpm fans. With the new Titan V it'll be nice to see how their new feature set works out in the semi-enterprise market.
Quadro doesn't offer the same type of cores. The Titan V runs Tensor cores, which significantly accelerate deep learning workloads. Quadro cards cannot offer the same performance right now.
There's no V6000 atm. No Tensor cores, no HBM2, less CUDA cores. V6000 will probably feature 24GB of HBM2, no Tensor cores and an identical number of CUDA cores, but it's far from even being announced. We don't even know if top of the line Quadros are going to be Volta-based. Quadro is a workstation line, Titan appears to be a scientific line. You workstation would still be beast if equipped with a Titan V.
We have a few of the old Titans & 1080s for our data science team. These are all in plugged into OEM workstations and are in the server room (AC controlled). Noise and temps aren't really a problem at our work
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I am software developer and got really excited learning about the new Titan V. Ordered 2 of those beasts for a mixture of AI research, gaming, and mining. Currently hold two Titan X (big P) which I would agree are becomming too hot so I cannot use them at their best. Tried to mod one of them with an AIO liquid cooler. Worked great for two days then died. The default cooler looks great, I like the design, especially of the new V version, the new titan label, and the new color. Considering my bad experience breaking a 1.2k priced card and liking the design I would probably stay with the default cooler. Though if there are easy, and most importantly safe mod on the market, which I doubt, I may reconsider in the sake of better performance.
Video Post Production company. For high capacity batch/transcode machines (running solutions such as Root6) we go with Titan cards in cases that are not well suited for open air coolers. Most workstations and rack mounted PCs simply don't account for a lot of heat dump inside the case as other sensitive components and add-in cards might get affected. Noise is indeed not a concern. It filling exactly two slots and leaving most of the hot air outside of the case is what we want. I wouldn't mind them showing up with an open air cooler as well, but given the pricing the Titan line simply doesn't seem like something Nvidia has any real interest of getting into the home consumers' hands.
These cards are placed in Workstations and server racks that have high CFM fans pushing air through defined air flow paths a card venting heat in the case screws that up.
i like the stock coolers for their watercooling potential. on my workstation with a Titan XP (not Xp!) i could really just watercool it from day 1. i didn't have to wait for board partner blocks to be released, which was a big plus.
Nvidia had me at 110 TFLOPS for $3k. Would I like another 5-10% boost to the clocks? Sure, whatever, just give me the damn card! This learning is gonna be DEEP AS HELL!
Since the card is definitely geared towards machine learning i think the blower design makes total sense. People in the deep learning field right now are mostly rocking 2-4 1080ti's in sli and with the close quarters of the cards i would have to think the blower design would be better (plus so many of these cards go into server style racks). It's also not uncommon to get a loop just for the GPU (leaving the CPU with a stock or air cooler) because the only part of the workflow you really care about is GPU performance. Great video, but thats just my take as someone doing deep learning daily.
Since many deep learning people use multiple GPUs, the blower style cooler actually makes more sense as it cools a bit more effectively when using multiple GPUs stacked on top of each other. Although, nvidia could still improve that airflow design...
I own and work with servers a lot. The rear blower is better but not great. An entirely passive cooler is better for servers designed for GPUs, the large, often around 60mm fans will have half their air send into a passive GPUs finstack and half to the CPU/RAM, so you get way more metal in them. Adding a fan can actuallty hurt the performance, because there is ample airforce, and the fan means the air has a 90° turn to make. However versus a down draft cooler, they usually make a complete mess of cooling in a server where directional controlled airflow is key to thermal management. This cooler is for use in a workstation case, not a rack server. Those kinds of more industeous and sciency PCs tends to wither be OEM or more obscur builds, so airflow is usually a little less. Its all about control and validation really, this kind of cooler will always work no matter the application, where as a passive server card or gamer open air cooler would vary a lot, from thermal failure to just bad performance.
Reasons to consider a blower card: 1) Better CPU thermals - Ryzen owners can sqeeze most of the OC headroom with the stock cooler 2) Cases with shit or very restrictive airflow. If the case has bad airflow an open air cooler will most likely cook the insides and then throttle 3) The shroud of the blower cards dampens coil whine a bit better 4) Crossfire/SLI 5) They look cool, I guess 6) Feels pretty nice to warm your hands at the back of the GPU
Modding aside, can the acrylic window be romeved and then just jury rig a 140mm fan to the side? Would that due anything or is the vapor chamber also a limitation, airflow concerns aside?
Hi Stan, Did that on my 1080TI reference. Put a 140mm fan on top of the vapor chamber, but it doesn't work. GPU hits nearly 90C during load, the vapor chamber is a bottleneck. No matter how much airflow, temps are gonna rise fast. Evantually just bought a Accelero Xtreme, temps are 70C at 7V fans.
I bought the TitanXp for advanced gaming sessions.... Seriously though. I bought a Evga Hybrid Kit and never looked back. Before the mod I had a max boost around 1650 avg and hitting the thermal cap set at 83C. After the mod it's 1950+ and staying at a stable 48C. I figured if I was going to "waste" money on a bragging card might aswell get full use out of it. I even got a great deal when buying the card so it was effectivly the same price as Evga Hybrid version of a 1080Ti.
Literally every computer at a university in the science department is a small box or a large box with bad airflow and a quadro in it so a FE card is better al around.
Dual axial coolers may provide more resistance in rack mount cases as the fins are oriented in a different direction, the opposite of the airflow in a rack case
After watching this channel for a few months and supporting on Patreon, I'm starting to get this strange sense that Steve is what you might call "a fan" of proper cooling solutions.
I'm not a "scientific" user but I prefer the blower coolers because multi-GPU tends to not be nice to dual axial / open air cards. The open air coolers do better in a case with a lot of airflow, or on open air test benches, but if they're near other hot things they seem to be a lot less happy. (At least, the current box I use with 2x 1080Ti FEs is much quieter than the 2x 980Ti Classifieds I used previously, because one of the card's fans sucked in already hot exhaust air from the other card and had to run fans at ~80% to remain operating. For 2 cards the blower cooler seems to be better, for 1 card the open-air cooler seems to be better.)
I tend to gravitate towards squirrel cage designs, that dump the heat outside the case. If you run aircooled on the CPU, it will make in the neighborhood of 10c lower temps as compared to the "better" coolers that leave the heat in the PC chassi. Does it mean you get lower clocks on the GPU? Sure. It is a trade of. If you want to "fix" that, get a watercooler for the CPU, and the aftermarket cooler for the GPU. Or even better, watercool both.
With the cooler used, any dust at all building up on the heatsink, will immediately and directly reduce performance, there is no thermal headroom to allow for dust buildup between regular cleanings.
I think you will find in most workstations, they dont overclock anything. Everything gets left at factory settings. Reliability generally comes before performance.
My buddy that only uses blowers does so because of the exhaust allowing him to get a higher static pressure as well as keeping away from interference with his PCI-E SSD
My Titan Xp arrived a couple days ago, I use it for gaming. Given the price of 1080 ti cards the past few months it wasn't crazy to step up from $1100 (newegg and amazon prices) to $1200. I should add the cost of a waterblock to the price since I used the stock cooler for one evening before switching to water. The stock cooler is too loud and like you stated the heat causes the GPU to throttle itself. I would expect a better designed solution for $1200 or $3000.
Blower-style coolers may be less effective at cooling the GPU, but they provide greater compatibility and have less impact on the thermals of neighboring hardware. A gaming PC has the luxury of being configured, maintained and monitored every minute of its operation by its owner, a workstation in a professional or academic environment on the other hand is one of many and can't expect anywhere near that level of TLC. Many of the people placing the orders for these cards probably haven't personally seen the interior of the chassis it's getting installed into. The fact that the GPU will more readily thermally throttle may seem like a bad thing, but it's at least a controlled operating condition that has been accounted for in the product engineering. If you think you can come up with a design that's more efficient but still operates under the constraints of exhausting 100% of its air outside, can be sandwiched between other GPUs, and fits within the same volume, then that seems like an interesting project but I don't think there's much room for improvement without going to a full-length fin stack and forced air like the rack systems have.
Let me put it this way - nvidia stock cooler (and the whole card) is designed to run 24/7 without issue. Aftermarket coolers and custom OEM designs are designed to run few hours per day. That's why people who run professional workloads usually prefer stock. For example for mining you really don't want to use some gaming card with seemingly fancy cooler.
$3000 card, $30 cooler. Huh. Seriously why manufacturers still refuse to go into 3-slots cooler design? Take the whole thing apart and you'll see the amount of fins area is just ridiculously small in compare to even cheap CPU cooler. With multi-GPU restricted to 2 cards only nowadays, I don't see why an ATX can't take two 3-slots cards with ease. Or at least 2.5-slots.
xone5447 because 3 slot coolers prevent multicard installation by blocking nearby slots and don't fit in many ITX cases where only 2 pcie slots are avaliable. 3 slot coolers on a reference design is absurd.
You should start making Scientific AI benchmarking videos now. Would be very interesting to watch those videos and see how all the current cards on the market work.
We got two 1080 tis for photogrammetry and plan on getting one or two more. They will all be right next to one another so the blower cooler seems more appropriate, especially since the cpu temps are also a concern.
It's in an NZXT S340 right now, with Corsair SP120s as intakes. When we get more cards we'll probably go to Corsair 750D. Temperatures are not a problem, but we don't care about noise and they run super loud.
Blower coolers are retarded. I have dual 1080ti's and I am here to tell you, switching to custom loop cooler with a 400cc reservoir and a 480mm radiator has resulted in a pair of cards that are dead silent (in a practical sense - as I am sure that the noise is measurable at some technical level) and the cards don't exceed 50c even under full load with overclocking and 120% power limits. This card (the Titan V) should be equipped with something much better than a blower cooler.
it's still impressively faster than anything for what it is intended for. if you REALLY wanted to cool that on air you'd need so much copper it'd cost even more and be too big, probably on liquid it would be difficult to install it in the intended application cases. i wouldn't compare the titan V to a 1080ti/TXp but to a V100.
Imagine this. Climate controlled server room, +5*C, 8 - 10 of these side by side in 2U server rack with fans on intake and exhaust. Side by side is key here - custom radiator and fans make card thicker, no? Airflow direction also important straigt trough the rack..
While I'm sure that the main reason for the reference cooler for this card being the same moderately ineffective cooler is due to the intended purposes of the card (namely being stuffed into rack-mounted servers with dedicated HVAC systems and ridiculously high CFM airflow), I kind of wonder if part of the reason that the Titan series only gets the underperforming reference cooler is that Nvidia doesn't want to spend the money to retool a line to a new cooler style, since it's extremely unlikely that they'd ever see a return on the investment since Titans aren't big sellers compared to mainstream GeForce cards.
On a really cold day, can you benchmark it again and see what clock speeds you can get with the test bench outside? If you can run the fan at 100% and knock the ambient temperature down by 25-30C, we may be able to see what it is capable of if it had a good cooler.
Hi Steve, EK Waterblock already confirmed that a waterblock is in development. In your opinion could the thermal throttling be responsible for the disappointing frametimes we saw? Cant wait for your hybrid mod as the EK block wont be out for a while. They probably got as surprised by this card as all of us, PS: I am one of those crazy enough to get one...
The argument i have given in the passed for Titan coolers is that to people buying them are watercooling anyway. But in this case, for this target audience, i think a better cooler should come with the card.
I would not, that's why I came here haha. Although I operate at a smaller scale, I have a server room with AC units that cool down the air. I'd love a better cooling solution on the cards!
This is not a premium card (server). It's a premium prosumer card. For that consumer market... I would so much rather see hybrid style cooler with a 120mm AIO seperated. For example. You put 4 beasts even in a not so physically big case (X399 platform with lanes to spare). I don't see a ventilation problem with connecting this and let's say a CPU 1x120mm or 1x240 AIO. That is all together 5x120 or 6x120. Not such a problem seperating even in a smaller case with 3x120 intake and 3x120 exhaust.
This is why working with 1 partner for a single partner card that either comes with a pre-installed waterblock for a custom loop or at least comes with some type of AIO would be worth selling. I understand that they are working to avoid partners cannibalizing their server and workstation business however, a partner card that is clearly not designed for anything but a gaming enthusiast would sell to the market that wants to absolute best option for their shinny new build. If there was any doubt people would pay for it, just remember the Gigabyte Waterforce Triple GTX 980
I prefer blower coolers for my sff systems. I'd be curious to see how the updated, copper finned vapor chamber would perform on a lower tdp gpu that may not overwhelm it, like a 1070 or 1080. The 1080 FE cooler does well for what it is. Maybe this cooler will show up on the next xx80 card.
It is just as with my Vega.........HBM 2 gets 80 degrees and above very easy and quickly on air BUT on water my Vega gets 48 degrees under full load max. I expect the same for the Titan V if you watercool it :)
just a note for you to improve the noise vs fan speed section of your test: fan % dont tell us anything, fan rpm if the measure that more usable, fan% is variable, fan rpm is fixed. anyone can define fan % as anything they want, you cant do that with rpm. and most fans of same type does sound the same in same rpm, making it easier for us to compare noise and performance. as a sidenote on the topic,. please start testing all colors for fan speed control, wish i mean how much control do we have over the fan rpm, i have got stuck with fans that wont go slow enough, msi afterburner cant go lower, meaning the graphics card has fan rpm locked in bios. as more gpus can run zero fan speed, it can actually become a big problem, then going from no noise to loud noise in an instant. but a good gpu with full fan controll can just slow down the fans to inaudible and keep the fans live longer and collect less dust while keeping idle temps to low temps compared to zero fans wish is all too hot. even if your noise floor is high, with the fan rpm tested, we can extrapolate noise lower than noise floor, at least from fans.
Well you can't define or read the fan rpm... You can only set a percentage. was the same in pascal and maxwell... People will compare using the percentage since theres no easy way to tell the RPM anyway. Well, i don't think a blower style card will have a problem with running too cool...
I think the captive audience effect has a lot to do with it as well. If you need a Titan, and you KNOW you need a Titan, this is the top of the pack. And really the only contender that fulfills the function, since there is no competition for it. It's similar to the Mac Pro in a way -- which is similarly overpriced and arguably poorly designed. But if you need a Mac workstation and you KNOW you need a Mac workstation, it's the only option at the top of the food chain. If your audience is captive, and needs the performance, why waste money on the thermal design?
Machine learning tasks are power efficient, I'm getting around 35C while training a model (got palit jetstream 1080 ti with fan speed at 55%). So Titan V cooler should be enough for ML, not sure about any other task.
Question for Ask GN: *If we are speculating, what is the purpose of Ryzen plus?* (answering this would then tell us the specs). When Ryzen was unveiled, the presentation had a purpose, to tell the world that AMD has a chip that surpassed Intel's Kaby Lake in all but core clock speeds. So with Ryzen plus, I think the purpose will be to bridge the gap in those clock speeds so now Ryzen beats Kaby Lake on clock speeds. *Would Ryzen release a chip just to announce Ryzen still loses to Kaby Lake but it's now within .2Ghz of it? Or that it now ties it?* I couldn't imagine them introducing a chip with more cores, like a 10/20.
If Volta is so powerful, what are they going to do about the 70 and 60 cards? Wouldn't they eat into the current Pascal 70 and 60 lines? Even in August of 2018? If the Pascal 1060 was as powerful as the 980, and the 1070 was as powerful as the Titan X, wouldn't the 1160 be as powerful as the 980 ti? I don't know. It's crazy.
couldn't they use dual axial cooler with the fins being in the same direction as the current cooler and an open front side, where the fan is and where the current design has fake fins. with this design the card would cool very good in your standard case, but also have great great performance in a server mount, because the server air flow can enter the card from the front to the back in adition to the downward air flow from the 2 axial fans, hell the axial fans might even be simply switched off in that mode. so this would be a great design, especially for such a card, where it's either high end work station or server mount.
It's like how high end motherboards don't bother with expensive integrated graphics. NVidia assumes you're gonna choose some alternative cooling solution anyway, so they have mediocre stock coolers.
I never understood why Nvidia never tried to offer both, their closed blower coolers and a "normal" 2-3 fan cooler for their cards. I mean they got to see that there's a gigantic demand for these cards considering how many people buy them from other companies.
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Mine just came in the mail today and I have it installed. On Watch Dogs I'm seeing temps of 74c - 76c max gpu fan & front case fans! This is with no OC whatsoever!
22% gain from a ~11% core oc and 200mhz mem oc??? Are we seeing the same bandwidth bottlenecking like on vega???
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I just got the Titan V Monday, I also have a set of Titan X's in SLI and two set of Quadro 5000's in SLI on my workstations. I have found all of these cards lacking in the cooling department and losing performance whether I am gaming, rendering or doing computation just sucks across the board. I overclock everything I use including though limited the Dual Xeons workstations. Even a simple 3% increase can cut off 10 hours on some of the things I do.
So to answer your question, yes I would be interested in a better cooling hybrid solution as long as care is taken to account for the hardware attachment to the PCB as to not damage it.
I have not been able to get mine past 150/150 but mine is in a large Phanteks (lol typed Phantook) case with dual Xeons that have Corsair water cooling and 128 GB memory, not a gaming rig but yes I do game with it quite well. It is a quite box with good air flow but not as free as out in the open. The Titan X's in SLI that I removed were running 125/250 in the same case on auto, if I wanted to drown out the office at 90% they could reach 175/275 and run that way for weeks at a time.
Gamers Nexus Can you please show 580, Vega56 and Vega64 with and without crossfire overclocked, undervolted and full optimized with latest adrenalin features against overclocked Volta, Xp, 1080Ti, 1080 (with and without SLI). Using games and synthetic benchmarks with Vulkan and directX12, compared with current prices and AMD recommended prices.
To me Xp and Volta are price fail.
Current rocket pricing for AMD only shows it is market demanded and so better than nvidia.
+Gamer Nexus The company I work for bought these for many of our programming team. The reason why we prefer science (pro) cards to have a blower fan is because they get put in OEM machine from dell, hp.They often do not have a exit flow fan and only an intake so the gpu helps in expelling some of the heat. Also we've had issues with putting non "reference" cards in OEM builds when it comes to warranting a machine. Hope it helps a bit to explain.
We (automotive company) used that type of card with the blower type cooler in prototype autonomous testbed vehicles (company ordered 300+ 1080FE’s) they were in a small custom box with 6 itx computers and 2 1080’s in each car.
Tesla does a similar thing with Titan XP's. They every now and then buy several custom machines at a time. Not sure if the systems cook to death or if they just keep having new test vehicles.
For computation. Graphics cards do a lot more than just render pictures, especially these high end cards. They can do a lot more math than a cpu can at the same price.
Autonomous driving AI use machine learning to do it... so probably that.
No wonder consumers don't have autonomous vehicles yet.
Morbidcrab There's a lot of poor furries, trust me haha. It just so happens that there's a ton of furries in IT/Computer Science fields which pay handsomely. It's pretty common to be working with multiple furries at some of those jobs from what I've heard from IT friends.
At my university people rarely sit in front of the workstations (there are quadro cards in there ,no Titans, but I think my point is still valid). Most of the time they use a laptop to connect via SSH to the workstation, so noise output isn't really a concern.
In a real production environment learning is most likely not done in a matter of minutes (unless you are showing that your algorithmus is 1% faster and/or better on a given benchmark dataset), so people won't sit in front of the workstation and wait until the result is there.
It's not like gaming where the user is in front of the computer all the time and waiting for the result. It's more like rendering. No one really cares about the noise output of a rendering machine, because no one sits in front of it and waits hours or even days for the result.
Haha calling out the haters again. Love those types of intros!
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I loved the OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS joke he pulled lol.
Elijah _ OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS was so good it basically became it's own meme.
He's using a Vega Frontier as a stand
Cos, the Titan beats the Flop, in tier-to-tier.
Wow I'm really disappointed in the quality of Gamers Nexus's recent videos. No out of the box thermals? *UNSUBSCRIBED!!!* 😡
Do you think this is going to be a consumer that just slaps in the cooler? This is going to be in a rack mount being configured by a IT engineer.
Can't tell if serious due to Poe's Law.
Can't tell if GN loves haters or agrees with this statement... 😂
i would assume that this is a joke in reference to the "OUT OF THE BOX" video GN posted a few weeks ago
OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS
Anyone remember the 7990. That had a decent stock cooler. Triple fanage
Henrix98 Are you trying to justify the shit cooler on the Titan? As if this doesn't have any reasons for a better cooler.
blower style fits into every case though, thats the main point. you can put it it next to 7 others of its kind into a rack. good luck doing that with a card that has normal fans.
do you remember the r9 290x?thats stock cooler was shit
yea i had one untill like 3 months ago. it was a beast and stayed mostly cool and quiet, until you load both cards to 60%+ and it is a jet engine.
doge have you seen 7990 mining rigs? you think they be leaving 2 slot gaps.......... nope
do I smell a hybrid mod coming up?
Well, hopefully you don't "smell" it, as that might indicate we fried something or had a coolant leak!
Gamers Nexus you guys going to use a threadripper aio?
GN: I'm familiar with some companies who are ordering them to add to rack mount servers (unsupported by Dell, HPE, etc) as a cheap alternative to the Nvidia DGX server with the V100's when they don't need the additional V100 features. They're happy to have that perf at a comparatively low price and don't really miss the extra perf that would come from a better cooler. Plus they're in rack servers so blower is a must.
I purchased a couple of Titan X (Maxwell) cards back in the day for my gaming rig. Ended up custom water cooling both of them due to the stock coolers being horrible. They're now maxing out at a comfortable 45 C with 20 C ambient at 1.4GHz under gaming load. Aftermarket cooling was definitely worth it for me seeing as I got a great performance boost with much better thermals.
Stock coolers are so rubbish, they make such an expensive card and fuck it up with this joke, I also still can't believe that nvidia is charging 100$ more for "founders edition" for no reason... Like what are you paying for? Thermal throttling as a feature? Awful noise?
It should come with a fully custom loop.
Before anyone says but people using titan v don't know how to use or maintain a loop, they are that rich they can get the butler to do it for them.
That would be totally impractical. Most people buying this card will be using a workstation or rack mount, both of which use direct path air cooling.
people who afford racks would buy the reel volta, not a toy one like this.
Lawrence Timme not everyone, you are thinking of massive corporations with huge check books. Many small businesses use small racks for their equipment, but don't necessarily have the budget for a quadro.
a quadro? quadros are for arti farti people. not skynet.
Lawrence Timme you're right, I moreso meant Tesla.
Just a heads up, I don't know anything about the Titan V but I did stay at a Holliday inn last night so I'm kind of an expert now. Just wanted to let you know you're not gonna do what you did.
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I also heard that you could save 15% by switching to Geico, something to consider.
And then there the abanded apartment you heard about
Hi GN, we do ML for roughly 5 years now with Titan cards and we now have 24 of them. Most of them are in rack mounted workstations with 4 GPUs in each. In the server room the ambient temp is 15 °C so the cards stay well below 80°C most of the time. In this setup the most important part is that the hot air is not pumped into the case but leaves the case right away. We even have a machine now with 8 Titan Xp in the same case and it works fine. We naturally don't overclock the GPUs since they are training networks sometimes for several days in a row. We never had issues with thermal throttling and we would use this kind of cooler also in the future without hesitation.
My guess is most people who buy this card for what it is meant for will be throwing it in a workstation or rack mount, both of which usually have a very direct path for airflow. You wouldn't want a GPU that throws hot air in every which way, because you could screw up the airflow for the entire system. A cooler like this is suitable for the environment it will likely be used in.
But how about an AIO watercooler? It is not Expensive for Nvidia to Ship the Titan V with them, and will Improve performance drastically.
Agreed. We've been thinking that a rack-mount configuration with high CFM intakes would allow for the greatest count of adjacent GPUs. That said, we still think the blower could be a better version of itself.
Alex939 you can't fit an AIO in a rack mount, and even if you could fit it into a workstation, you would drastically change the airflow inside the case, maybe to the point where you throttle other components because of it.
AIO is even less practical than your normal 3 fan card because you have extra tubes and radiator to manage and stuff. if you have a blower style cooler like this one you can mount 8 of them in one rack mount case right up to eachother with no problem.
True but then even if nvidia made it good because they thought it looked good(which it doesn’t) then why did they make it gold
I remember with the original Titan and I believe the Titan Z (Didn't use many of those) when they actually tried to add FP64 performance over FP32 instead of just making a bigger (X)80 series card we used to cram these into rack mounted cases that had four of those small 90mm high airflow fans facing into the intake at the rear of the card so the fan on the cooler only did a little to maintain even pressure in the case so we didn't get heat build up from the gap in the fans to the cards. Usually kept the cards around 75º without any room cooling which we thought was good enough. If you do the dual fans against each other like you need in a rack mount then you can get some bad clearance issues or some turbulence issues when rack mounting with internal high rpm fans. With the new Titan V it'll be nice to see how their new feature set works out in the semi-enterprise market.
Your interview with Chris Roberts is being used as evidence for Crytek suing CIG lol
GN: why would people get this vs the quadro cards?
because the equivalent quadro card is 10k and offers only very specialised features not needed in a normal pc setup.
Quadro doesn't offer the same type of cores. The Titan V runs Tensor cores, which significantly accelerate deep learning workloads. Quadro cards cannot offer the same performance right now.
I don’t think quadros have hbm2 and that extra bandwidth can be very benifitial to heavy science workloads+it has tensor cores
These are different tools for different jobs.
There's no V6000 atm. No Tensor cores, no HBM2, less CUDA cores. V6000 will probably feature 24GB of HBM2, no Tensor cores and an identical number of CUDA cores, but it's far from even being announced. We don't even know if top of the line Quadros are going to be Volta-based. Quadro is a workstation line, Titan appears to be a scientific line. You workstation would still be beast if equipped with a Titan V.
Should have started with the slide at 7:51 it's the clearest and most direct example of your testing. Great job!!! :D
Just make the heatsink RGB and cover the pcb with tempered glass.
We have a few of the old Titans & 1080s for our data science team. These are all in plugged into OEM workstations and are in the server room (AC controlled). Noise and temps aren't really a problem at our work
I've seen a mod mat like that before, but I didn't know this one was actually 'your' mod mat until I saw the logo, I thought you just meant yours in the sense the one in front of you, but made by another mod mat company. That mat is sweeeeeet! I'm going to get one! Cheers!
I am software developer and got really excited learning about the new Titan V. Ordered 2 of those beasts for a mixture of AI research, gaming, and mining. Currently hold two Titan X (big P) which I would agree are becomming too hot so I cannot use them at their best. Tried to mod one of them with an AIO liquid cooler. Worked great for two days then died. The default cooler looks great, I like the design, especially of the new V version, the new titan label, and the new color. Considering my bad experience breaking a 1.2k priced card and liking the design I would probably stay with the default cooler. Though if there are easy, and most importantly safe mod on the market, which I doubt, I may reconsider in the sake of better performance.
Video Post Production company. For high capacity batch/transcode machines (running solutions such as Root6) we go with Titan cards in cases that are not well suited for open air coolers. Most workstations and rack mounted PCs simply don't account for a lot of heat dump inside the case as other sensitive components and add-in cards might get affected. Noise is indeed not a concern. It filling exactly two slots and leaving most of the hot air outside of the case is what we want.
I wouldn't mind them showing up with an open air cooler as well, but given the pricing the Titan line simply doesn't seem like something Nvidia has any real interest of getting into the home consumers' hands.
These cards are placed in Workstations and server racks that have high CFM fans pushing air through defined air flow paths a card venting heat in the case screws that up.
i like the stock coolers for their watercooling potential. on my workstation with a Titan XP (not Xp!) i could really just watercool it from day 1. i didn't have to wait for board partner blocks to be released, which was a big plus.
Nvidia had me at 110 TFLOPS for $3k. Would I like another 5-10% boost to the clocks? Sure, whatever, just give me the damn card! This learning is gonna be DEEP AS HELL!
Since the card is definitely geared towards machine learning i think the blower design makes total sense. People in the deep learning field right now are mostly rocking 2-4 1080ti's in sli and with the close quarters of the cards i would have to think the blower design would be better (plus so many of these cards go into server style racks). It's also not uncommon to get a loop just for the GPU (leaving the CPU with a stock or air cooler) because the only part of the workflow you really care about is GPU performance. Great video, but thats just my take as someone doing deep learning daily.
Since many deep learning people use multiple GPUs, the blower style cooler actually makes more sense as it cools a bit more effectively when using multiple GPUs stacked on top of each other. Although, nvidia could still improve that airflow design...
Was watching the ad preparing my ears for savage Steve's fire breathing rampage
I love it how he placed the titan on top of the lackluster vega card ;)
I own and work with servers a lot. The rear blower is better but not great. An entirely passive cooler is better for servers designed for GPUs, the large, often around 60mm fans will have half their air send into a passive GPUs finstack and half to the CPU/RAM, so you get way more metal in them. Adding a fan can actuallty hurt the performance, because there is ample airforce, and the fan means the air has a 90° turn to make. However versus a down draft cooler, they usually make a complete mess of cooling in a server where directional controlled airflow is key to thermal management. This cooler is for use in a workstation case, not a rack server. Those kinds of more industeous and sciency PCs tends to wither be OEM or more obscur builds, so airflow is usually a little less. Its all about control and validation really, this kind of cooler will always work no matter the application, where as a passive server card or gamer open air cooler would vary a lot, from thermal failure to just bad performance.
Reasons to consider a blower card:
1) Better CPU thermals - Ryzen owners can sqeeze most of the OC headroom with the stock cooler
2) Cases with shit or very restrictive airflow. If the case has bad airflow an open air cooler will most likely cook the insides and then throttle
3) The shroud of the blower cards dampens coil whine a bit better
4) Crossfire/SLI
5) They look cool, I guess
6) Feels pretty nice to warm your hands at the back of the GPU
Modding aside, can the acrylic window be romeved and then just jury rig a 140mm fan to the side? Would that due anything or is the vapor chamber also a limitation, airflow concerns aside?
Hi Stan,
Did that on my 1080TI reference. Put a 140mm fan on top of the vapor chamber, but it doesn't work. GPU hits nearly 90C during load, the vapor chamber is a bottleneck. No matter how much airflow, temps are gonna rise fast. Evantually just bought a Accelero Xtreme, temps are 70C at 7V fans.
Niko A what if someone used a 80mm fan to pull the air so that the impeller pushes air across the fins and the 80mm pulls it's out of the area?
im a 3D animator. and this cooler is very useful to stack 4-8 GPU for GPU rendering, if i dont want to spend on custom watercooling
I bought the TitanXp for advanced gaming sessions.... Seriously though. I bought a Evga Hybrid Kit and never looked back. Before the mod I had a max boost around 1650 avg and hitting the thermal cap set at 83C. After the mod it's 1950+ and staying at a stable 48C. I figured if I was going to "waste" money on a bragging card might aswell get full use out of it. I even got a great deal when buying the card so it was effectivly the same price as Evga Hybrid version of a 1080Ti.
Literally every computer at a university in the science department is a small box or a large box with bad airflow and a quadro in it so a FE card is better al around.
Dual axial coolers may provide more resistance in rack mount cases as the fins are oriented in a different direction, the opposite of the airflow in a rack case
This is the one I usually use
www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/1197
After watching this channel for a few months and supporting on Patreon, I'm starting to get this strange sense that Steve is what you might call "a fan" of proper cooling solutions.
lol that intro
So much information in this video. Great work. Great video.
An interesting experiment here is to try it with very low ambient temperature (maybe 10C ? ). Just to see how it behaves.
I'm not a "scientific" user but I prefer the blower coolers because multi-GPU tends to not be nice to dual axial / open air cards. The open air coolers do better in a case with a lot of airflow, or on open air test benches, but if they're near other hot things they seem to be a lot less happy.
(At least, the current box I use with 2x 1080Ti FEs is much quieter than the 2x 980Ti Classifieds I used previously, because one of the card's fans sucked in already hot exhaust air from the other card and had to run fans at ~80% to remain operating. For 2 cards the blower cooler seems to be better, for 1 card the open-air cooler seems to be better.)
Nice job being the first to review that card.
I tend to gravitate towards squirrel cage designs, that dump the heat outside the case. If you run aircooled on the CPU, it will make in the neighborhood of 10c lower temps as compared to the "better" coolers that leave the heat in the PC chassi.
Does it mean you get lower clocks on the GPU? Sure. It is a trade of. If you want to "fix" that, get a watercooler for the CPU, and the aftermarket cooler for the GPU.
Or even better, watercool both.
With the cooler used, any dust at all building up on the heatsink, will immediately and directly reduce performance, there is no thermal headroom to allow for dust buildup between regular cleanings.
I think you will find in most workstations, they dont overclock anything. Everything gets left at factory settings. Reliability generally comes before performance.
My buddy that only uses blowers does so because of the exhaust allowing him to get a higher static pressure as well as keeping away from interference with his PCI-E SSD
My Titan Xp arrived a couple days ago, I use it for gaming. Given the price of 1080 ti cards the past few months it wasn't crazy to step up from $1100 (newegg and amazon prices) to $1200. I should add the cost of a waterblock to the price since I used the stock cooler for one evening before switching to water. The stock cooler is too loud and like you stated the heat causes the GPU to throttle itself. I would expect a better designed solution for $1200 or $3000.
+200 achieved. Looking forward to the hybrid mod guys.:)
I hope being first to cover the Titan V gets you guys a whole bunch of attention and subs.
What if you had a freezer/air cooler of some sort, spewing freezing cold air directly into the card fan. that'd be a fun experiment :)
Blower-style coolers may be less effective at cooling the GPU, but they provide greater compatibility and have less impact on the thermals of neighboring hardware. A gaming PC has the luxury of being configured, maintained and monitored every minute of its operation by its owner, a workstation in a professional or academic environment on the other hand is one of many and can't expect anywhere near that level of TLC. Many of the people placing the orders for these cards probably haven't personally seen the interior of the chassis it's getting installed into. The fact that the GPU will more readily thermally throttle may seem like a bad thing, but it's at least a controlled operating condition that has been accounted for in the product engineering. If you think you can come up with a design that's more efficient but still operates under the constraints of exhausting 100% of its air outside, can be sandwiched between other GPUs, and fits within the same volume, then that seems like an interesting project but I don't think there's much room for improvement without going to a full-length fin stack and forced air like the rack systems have.
Let me put it this way - nvidia stock cooler (and the whole card) is designed to run 24/7 without issue. Aftermarket coolers and custom OEM designs are designed to run few hours per day. That's why people who run professional workloads usually prefer stock. For example for mining you really don't want to use some gaming card with seemingly fancy cooler.
$3000 card, $30 cooler. Huh.
Seriously why manufacturers still refuse to go into 3-slots cooler design? Take the whole thing apart and you'll see the amount of fins area is just ridiculously small in compare to even cheap CPU cooler. With multi-GPU restricted to 2 cards only nowadays, I don't see why an ATX can't take two 3-slots cards with ease. Or at least 2.5-slots.
xone5447 because 3 slot coolers prevent multicard installation by blocking nearby slots and don't fit in many ITX cases where only 2 pcie slots are avaliable. 3 slot coolers on a reference design is absurd.
You should start making Scientific AI benchmarking videos now. Would be very interesting to watch those videos and see how all the current cards on the market work.
Will never get a titan v but had to hear about the THERMALS.
Great vid. Would love to see some AI tests and the difference in performance from stock to OC in that usecase.
PS: my hair is longer.
Lmfao the Savagery within the first 10 seconds is why I'm subscribed.
We got two 1080 tis for photogrammetry and plan on getting one or two more. They will all be right next to one another so the blower cooler seems more appropriate, especially since the cpu temps are also a concern.
Are you using high CFM/direct path intakes alongside them? Or are these in a normal case?
It's in an NZXT S340 right now, with Corsair SP120s as intakes. When we get more cards we'll probably go to Corsair 750D. Temperatures are not a problem, but we don't care about noise and they run super loud.
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cpu is a 3960x at 4.8ghz
all the cards are the founder's edition
Blower coolers are retarded. I have dual 1080ti's and I am here to tell you, switching to custom loop cooler with a 400cc reservoir and a 480mm radiator has resulted in a pair of cards that are dead silent (in a practical sense - as I am sure that the noise is measurable at some technical level) and the cards don't exceed 50c even under full load with overclocking and 120% power limits. This card (the Titan V) should be equipped with something much better than a blower cooler.
it's still impressively faster than anything for what it is intended for.
if you REALLY wanted to cool that on air you'd need so much copper it'd cost even more and be too big, probably on liquid it would be difficult to install it in the intended application cases.
i wouldn't compare the titan V to a 1080ti/TXp but to a V100.
i replaced my Titan x's cooler with an evga sc2 cooler. made a huge difference.
Try with an arctic accelero cooler too that would be interesting as a cheap air cooled solution for an easier way to get better cooling
Nice stand you got there for that Titan V, Steve.
"well we did" *shrug*
Don't ever underestimate Gamer Nexus.
:)
I can't wait for the Titan V Hybrid Mod.
Imagine this. Climate controlled server room, +5*C, 8 - 10 of these side by side in 2U server rack with fans on intake and exhaust. Side by side is key here - custom radiator and fans make card thicker, no? Airflow direction also important straigt trough the rack..
I like this channel a lot!!!
Keep up the good work sir!!!
And that hair!!!😁
While I'm sure that the main reason for the reference cooler for this card being the same moderately ineffective cooler is due to the intended purposes of the card (namely being stuffed into rack-mounted servers with dedicated HVAC systems and ridiculously high CFM airflow), I kind of wonder if part of the reason that the Titan series only gets the underperforming reference cooler is that Nvidia doesn't want to spend the money to retool a line to a new cooler style, since it's extremely unlikely that they'd ever see a return on the investment since Titans aren't big sellers compared to mainstream GeForce cards.
Ekwb support is the only reason i would choose those cards
On a really cold day, can you benchmark it again and see what clock speeds you can get with the test bench outside?
If you can run the fan at 100% and knock the ambient temperature down by 25-30C, we may be able to see what it is capable of if it had a good cooler.
Hi Steve, EK Waterblock already confirmed that a waterblock is in development. In your opinion could the thermal throttling be responsible for the disappointing frametimes we saw? Cant wait for your hybrid mod as the EK block wont be out for a while. They probably got as surprised by this card as all of us, PS: I am one of those crazy enough to get one...
The argument i have given in the passed for Titan coolers is that to people buying them are watercooling anyway. But in this case, for this target audience, i think a better cooler should come with the card.
EK - Waterblocks is what I do with any GPU I buy.
I would not, that's why I came here haha.
Although I operate at a smaller scale, I have a server room with AC units that cool down the air. I'd love a better cooling solution on the cards!
I think it's blower style to increase consistency between cases e.g. large and small
The poor Vega FE is being stepped by Titan V since the beginning of the video.
This is not a premium card (server). It's a premium prosumer card. For that consumer market... I would so much rather see hybrid style cooler with a 120mm AIO seperated. For example. You put 4 beasts even in a not so physically big case (X399 platform with lanes to spare). I don't see a ventilation problem with connecting this and let's say a CPU 1x120mm or 1x240 AIO. That is all together 5x120 or 6x120. Not such a problem seperating even in a smaller case with 3x120 intake and 3x120 exhaust.
they need a blower fan for server cases
This is why working with 1 partner for a single partner card that either comes with a pre-installed waterblock for a custom loop or at least comes with some type of AIO would be worth selling. I understand that they are working to avoid partners cannibalizing their server and workstation business however, a partner card that is clearly not designed for anything but a gaming enthusiast would sell to the market that wants to absolute best option for their shinny new build. If there was any doubt people would pay for it, just remember the Gigabyte Waterforce Triple GTX 980
I prefer blower coolers for my sff systems. I'd be curious to see how the updated, copper finned vapor chamber would perform on a lower tdp gpu that may not overwhelm it, like a 1070 or 1080. The 1080 FE cooler does well for what it is. Maybe this cooler will show up on the next xx80 card.
so basically like the r9 290, one needs custom fan speeds to get somewhat consistent performance on the expense of more noise
It is just as with my Vega.........HBM 2 gets 80 degrees and above very easy and quickly on air BUT on water my Vega gets 48 degrees under full load max.
I expect the same for the Titan V if you watercool it :)
Blower cards would work better on OEM systems that has bad airflow I think that's why Nvidia keeps it.
just a note for you to improve the noise vs fan speed section of your test: fan % dont tell us anything, fan rpm if the measure that more usable, fan% is variable, fan rpm is fixed. anyone can define fan % as anything they want, you cant do that with rpm. and most fans of same type does sound the same in same rpm, making it easier for us to compare noise and performance.
as a sidenote on the topic,. please start testing all colors for fan speed control, wish i mean how much control do we have over the fan rpm, i have got stuck with fans that wont go slow enough, msi afterburner cant go lower, meaning the graphics card has fan rpm locked in bios.
as more gpus can run zero fan speed, it can actually become a big problem, then going from no noise to loud noise in an instant. but a good gpu with full fan controll can just slow down the fans to inaudible and keep the fans live longer and collect less dust while keeping idle temps to low temps compared to zero fans wish is all too hot.
even if your noise floor is high, with the fan rpm tested, we can extrapolate noise lower than noise floor, at least from fans.
Well you can't define or read the fan rpm... You can only set a percentage. was the same in pascal and maxwell... People will compare using the percentage since theres no easy way to tell the RPM anyway.
Well, i don't think a blower style card will have a problem with running too cool...
If its bought for scientific/development, the reasons you list for OEM builders applies.
My DL AI rig is built in a server which has noise issues to begin with. A reference cooler would not be heard over the chassis fans.
I think the captive audience effect has a lot to do with it as well. If you need a Titan, and you KNOW you need a Titan, this is the top of the pack. And really the only contender that fulfills the function, since there is no competition for it. It's similar to the Mac Pro in a way -- which is similarly overpriced and arguably poorly designed. But if you need a Mac workstation and you KNOW you need a Mac workstation, it's the only option at the top of the food chain.
If your audience is captive, and needs the performance, why waste money on the thermal design?
Can't wait for another hybrid video :D
Machine learning tasks are power efficient, I'm getting around 35C while training a model (got palit jetstream 1080 ti with fan speed at 55%). So Titan V cooler should be enough for ML, not sure about any other task.
Question for Ask GN:
*If we are speculating, what is the purpose of Ryzen plus?* (answering this would then tell us the specs). When Ryzen was unveiled, the presentation had a purpose, to tell the world that AMD has a chip that surpassed Intel's Kaby Lake in all but core clock speeds. So with Ryzen plus, I think the purpose will be to bridge the gap in those clock speeds so now Ryzen beats Kaby Lake on clock speeds.
*Would Ryzen release a chip just to announce Ryzen still loses to Kaby Lake but it's now within .2Ghz of it? Or that it now ties it?*
I couldn't imagine them introducing a chip with more cores, like a 10/20.
Buyers of Titan V step forward and speak up!
If Volta is so powerful, what are they going to do about the 70 and 60 cards?
Wouldn't they eat into the current Pascal 70 and 60 lines? Even in August of 2018?
If the Pascal 1060 was as powerful as the 980, and the 1070 was as powerful as the Titan X, wouldn't the 1160 be as powerful as the 980 ti?
I don't know. It's crazy.
Greatly looking forward to seeing how this card will preform on water.
Just do Aircooled mod like DIY Perks. Mad temps using a noctua cooler on a 980ti.
Interested to see how this thing would perform under a good FC waterblock.
couldn't they use dual axial cooler with the fins being in the same direction as the current cooler and an open front side, where the fan is and where the current design has fake fins.
with this design the card would cool very good in your standard case, but also have great great performance in a server mount, because the server air flow can enter the card from the front to the back in adition to the downward air flow from the 2 axial fans, hell the axial fans might even be simply switched off in that mode.
so this would be a great design, especially for such a card, where it's either high end work station or server mount.
It's like how high end motherboards don't bother with expensive integrated graphics. NVidia assumes you're gonna choose some alternative cooling solution anyway, so they have mediocre stock coolers.
I never understood why Nvidia never tried to offer both, their closed blower coolers and a "normal" 2-3 fan cooler for their cards. I mean they got to see that there's a gigantic demand for these cards considering how many people buy them from other companies.