The Wretched Racing of Ricardo Rosset (10k Special)
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Ricardo Rosset. Wretched racer? Or tarnished talent?
An ever present in every ‘worst F1 driver’ top 10 list, with a host of mishaps and maladies cluttering his time in Formula One. Yet according to some, one of F1’s many promising talents, snuffed out thanks to bad timing, bad luck, and a multitude of issues, hidden from the general public until recently.
Today, we tackle the supposedly wretched racing of Ricardo Rosset, from his drubbing at Arrows, his struggles at Lola, and his meme-worthy antics at Tyrrell, just so we can answer the question… were things really as bad as they seemed?
Also I used the phrase 'bare statistics' and decided to include an animated clip of a bear, so that gives you a window into my creative process.
Today’s video is the most requested one in the history of the channel, so if you’re one of the wonderful 10,000 people who decided to click that little button marked ‘subscribe’ - thank you so much!
Timestamps:
Introduction 0:00
A Promising Junior Career 02:35
Awful Arrows (1996) 08:58
Languishing Lola (1997) 20:47
Terrible Tyrrell (1998) 29:02
After F1 40:43
Analysis 42:18
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The Mobile Chicane deserves well more than 10k subscribers. And that isn't a fairly short debate, that should be no debate at all
Agreed
Personally I think he’s overrated
hehe....the subscribers are coming, the cream always rises to the top
@@TheMobileChicane eh I think the overrated man wouldn't be able to cover the story of larousse or arrows failure under tom
That's not very democratic is it?
Amazing, as always. Now please do Roberto Moreno before Aidan Millward does :D
I can add it to the list! Can’t promise it out anytime soon though 😅
@@TheMobileChicane Better not dilly dally too long. Roberto Moreno is Millward's promised 100K subscriber video, and he's at ~96K subscribers as we speak.
@@hippyjason Given how slowly his channel grows there is no reason to hurry, TMC has plenty of time.
Yeah because if it's not first it's unwatchable. Idiocy.
Nope.
Aidan has called dibbs on that for along time
If you get pole and win your first race in F3000 and achieve second in the championship without having grown up racing, it means you have immense talent. Maybe not Alonso level talent, but more than most pro drivers. It sounds like he really needed a manager to structure his development.
Well put.
Tbf, while McNish never excelled at F1, which was probably more of a car problem then a McNish Problem, he excelled at everything but F1. He is one of the best drivers of his generation. This controlled aggression. Being able to pass anywhere, while lapping. He was brilliant.
McNish was brilliant in sportscars
That’s fair - McNish was just before I started watching F1 so I don’t have an objective view on his F1 career.. maybe worth a deep dive in the future?
@TheMobileChicane He had none. He drove around for a year in a useless Toyota. And then got back into his Audi R8. Especially in the 5,5 Liter Diesels he delivered absolute heroics.
@@TheNecromancer6666A year in F1 is still a year in F1, and that's still a career. No matter how good the car is. Alonso only needed one season at Minardi to impress. Schumacher (the good one) only needed one race at Jordan.
@T-Forever OK, so imagine a driver, who starts last after a problem on the warmup. Has a car that's 2 seconds slower then the best. And fights through and wins, because he himself it just that fast, that aggressive and determined. Because that's Alan. And while he isn't a Schumacher or Verstappen, he is one of the best drivers of the 21st century. Ahead of some F1 race winners and world champions.
The whole veto of Fontana has this dark conspiracy theory around it that I'm not sure people know about but here goes.
Remember the infamous 1997 finale at Jerez? The one where Fontana backed Jacques Villeneuve up? Well some people have crossed red thread on a whiteboard to point out how Tyrrell was sold to Craig Pollock, Jacques' manager at the time, and for the veto to kind of step over Ken himself... it's said this was a form of retribution for what happened in the championship decider.
There was also Fontana himself years ago coming out to say Ferrari had instructed Sauber to potentially help Michael if the chance presented itself,he claims doing so cost him that seat. But hey, that's just a theory...
As theories go, it’s a pretty creditable one! I knew about the alleged Ferrari involvement in 1997, but the Pollock connection there makes total sense.
Then Tyrell vecame BAR in 1999, which became Honda in 2006 which became Brawn in 2009 which became Mercedes in 2010
This channel is CRIMINALLY underrated, which is much much more than we can say about Rosset. Though his tale is just a number of many that success in other disciplines, junior or otherwise, does not guarantee success in F1.
Granted, put us and him in the same machinery and he'll wipe the floor with most if not all of us.
That being said his toxic behaviour will forever cement his bad reputation between motorsport fans and his ex-colleagues.
Some years ago I got CAR Magazine from Sep '98 with Rosset interview (yep, they really interviewed him). And to my surprise, Ricardo seemed way more level-headed than he was described in media. Moreover, he had some really valid points there.
Also, in appendix 'Formula None' about worst F1 drivers he was rated higher, than Inoue, Lavaggi and Deletraz. Now scans are uploaded at Flickr ('Ricardo Rosset Interview & Top 10 Formula One Losers').
And yes, thanks for another brilliant documentary!
Excellent video. I do wonder about the 'Rosset's mechanics were working against him' caveat, though. F1 is a team sport, and communicating with your engineers/generally motivating them to do their best possible work is a fundamental part of being an F1 racer.
We love a F1 Rejects shout out. Congrats on 10k!!
Thank you! Always got time for an F1Rejects shout out.
would love a "The Seriously Sad F1 Career of Scott Speed" vid in the far future
Love it - and you’ve saved me the job of thinking up a title!
This was very enjoyable from start to finish and does give a good revision of the insanity of Rosset congratulations on 10k can't wait to see where you go next.
Thank you so much!
I heard someone say he couldn’t make a 107% lap from back then in a modern f1 car. Jokes aside, his beyond the grid podcast feature is well worth a listen 👌🏿
You know, IMO Pedro Diniz became the driver Rosset wished he had become. Diniz also came from a wealthy background - his father is the supermarket magnate Abílio dos Santos Diniz and much like Rosset Phe started karting at a relatively late age. He wasn't particularly good in junior categories - namely British F3 and International F3000, but his father's backing landed him a spot at Forti in F3000 for 1993 and 94. And what a strange coinkydink that Guido Forti was looking to go to F1 itself, which happened in 1995. The GD01 (and later GD02) was uncompetitive (that car was the last one to use manual gearbox), but after a year due to his father's backing he was able to secure seats with the likes of Ligier, Arrows and Sauber. And when he had a chance to score points, he took it - in 6 seasons in total, he scored 10 points in total. Not too shabby, considering that it was the era where only the Top 6 have scored points and reliability was an issue back then - he would've scored way more under the current system (even while driving that Forti).
Diniz was actually very servicable if crash happy. I remember that barrel roll at Nurburgring which to be fair wasnt Pedro's fault.
Diniz actually had a strong work ethic despite his lack of natural talent
I’d agree with that. Diniz raced before I started watching F1, but I always remember how he was often described in the preview guides I read as more than a pay driver, who performed ably alongside the likes of Panis, Hill and Salo.
Your 20k special should be biased praise towards Wehrlein's unfairly short-lived career, I have decided 😄
I’m sorry, have we met? 😉
Rosset claimed he did not go back to the UK between Australia and Brazil in 97, when evidence shows he did a test for Lola at Silverstone between then. For a guy who apparently had a sense of superiority I would take what he says with a pinch of salt
Yes, I spotted that too, when I was mid-way through editing! Yet another Rosset claim with a lot of asterixes around it.
I did find Rosset kind of interesting after watching other videos about him and learning that he wasn't as dreadful in his career before and after F1 and I did think that you doing a video on him was only natural.
After seeing this video, I do think that Rosset just wasn't good enough for F1 and the reasons that he gave for why he struggled do sound more like excuses for his poor performances. Not qualifying for so many races in 1998 also sealed the deal for me as well especially considering his toxic relationship with the Tyrrell team as well.
This video also reminded that somehow this Tyrrell team would eventually become Mercedes who have been one of the top teams in F1 for almost a decade now.
Congrats on a well earned 10k as these videos have always been super interesting to watch since learning about motorsport history has always fascinated me especially stories like this with the drivers and teams who end up at the back of the grid since learning their stories can be very eye opening with drivers like De Cesaris and Stefano Modena proving very interesting to learn about a long time ago.
Thank you! You’ve been one of the original fans of this channel and it’s always good to see you in the comments for the latest video.
@@TheMobileChicane That is very kind of you. I will be eagerly anticipating whatever topics you cover in the future.
The first video of your's I saw was the BMW one, to be honest, I love your style, explaining in detail and even though there's not music in the background, it still isn't boring. Hope you make as many specials in the future as possible!
Thank you, I hope so too!
Just in time for my workout on the treadmill. Congrats on the 10k, keep up the great work. Have been a regular viewer since the Leyton House video
Glad it could keep you company on the treadmill!
Incredible channel. Got me bought back into the F1 past
I was always a big fan of the real backmarkers in the 90s/2000s and loved RR. I actually ended up with a signed visor of his which was pretty cool haha. This is a brilliant video! Loved the Deletraz one too. Really great content 🏁
I love your content keep it up its reflective and views every angle is tackeld i love that and something that deserves praise
I appreciate that, thanks!
One of the few channels where I see a notification & get excited. I remember when you still had about 1k subs, congrats on 10k, to say it's well deserved is an understatement!
Thank you so much!
There is not a single video of yours that is incredible. This is hands down the best motorsports channel on UA-cam. Congrats on your 10k, I hope you get so much more!
english warning, you want to say that there is not an episode that is not incredible.
@@alexsteimer5241 it wasn't because of my lack of English knowledge, but rather because I didn't double check the comment. Still, thanks for the correction!
Thank you - I appreciate it!
I remember the Badoer episode and buying a 1999 Minardi t-shirt off the back of it. This video should definitely be worth randomly DMing UA-camrs for. I rate Rosset more than others but that Murray Walker bats in the belfry moment at imola 1998 about letting Hill past for reasons known only to Murray thing makes me hellbent on defending him since there's only about 10 people willing to defend him
@@Bale4Bond t shirt printing site. Took an image of Badoers car and placed it on the front then put a minardi emblem on the chest because the real items are properly pricey these days
Great Documentary as always, congrats on your subs, you deserve a lot more! I think with Rosset that even if it was bad luck and underfunded engineering, his personality was that dreadful to his mechanics and numerous teams, that to this day they still haven't spoken out against the narrative, then he deserves the reputation.
Congrats on 10K subs. Rosset shows talent as you've got to have some to get into F1 but sometimes that's the ceiling. He was winning a decade after his main spotlight in F1 in the 2010's. Some of the crashes especially in 98 is like how does one crash or spin there.
Thanks! Grabbing all the footage from 1998 was really an adventure in just how ridiculous spins and incidents one man could be involved in within a single year!
I'm surprised that Rosset wasn't able to ask his family to invest in either Arrows or Lola. Or maybe he did, but they were sensible enough to say that's not going to happen!! Surely he had plenty of money, thanks to the family business??
What a bless to see this level of content. The final conclusion is glorious.
Today is a dark day - I've finally finished every mobile chicane video. Genuinely not sure how I'll spend my free time now. Love this channel.
I’m so sorry to hear that. My thoughts are with you during this difficult time. Next video should be out in a month!
Congratulations once again on achieving 10k, thing will go up and up! Now to enjoy the special 🎉❤
Thank you so much!
Interesting to have some more perspective on Rosset’s time outside of F1. It seems like he had a bit of talent, but not the work ethic to make good on it.
He was arguably unlucky with uncompetitive cars, but the best racers make their own luck and force their way up the grid.
Grats on the 10k! And the F1Rejects nod certainly takes me back.
His tale has always felt to me like the tale of someone who was just never well liked anywhere. Fully explains the lack of corroboration for his statements: he's as far from being a saint as he is from being a good driver, but knowing the toxic relationship that the British in particular had with F1 during that era whether they were directly involved in it or not, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a fundamental clash wherever he went.
Brilliant piece, thanks. Subscribed, here's hoping for 20k :)
Thank you - welcome to the channel!
This is the first video I watched of yours and I'm loving it!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
LETS GOOOOOOOOO. Such an Amazing video. Phenomenal stuff! as usual.
Thanks again!
This was amazing. Thank you ❤
Thank you - for watching!
Keep up the good work! :)
Amazing video!
Thank you!
i was here before 10k. just keep doing what youre doing and youll get to 100k+ your content, narration, voice, and story telling are very good.
last time i had a hunch like this, it happened to brian sutterer.
Thank you - appreciate that!!
Greatness Personified... Congratulations on 10K ❤
Thank you!
Nice work! Need to find the footage of Murray Walker talking about the rearranging of Rosset live on tv
Excellent
Great video again. The only criticism I'll give is the horrendous Takagi pronunciation. Also despite Takagi being an all round average talent, he has one of the most dominant championship wins of all time in Formula Nippon 2000. An absolutely insane Verstappen-like campaign from him.
I also think Rosset's main problem is not karting at all when he was a kid as funny as it sounds. When you don't race at all as kid like most drivers do, you lose a lot of feel and just overall instinctual ability that is there in every driver's psyche.
46:50 You gotta also remember that some drivers will obviously try to make themselves look as good as possible, since it's literally their job, so some will throw a few excuses in there to make themselves look a little better or just to not get made fun of by the media. Leclerc is one of the only ones that openly admits to mistakes, also I remember an article about Leclerc calling out certain drivers that don't admit to them.
First time on the channel. Really enjoyed it! Congrats
Thanks, and welcome aboard!
GREAT JOB SIMON ❤
I haven't watched it yet; I'm about to. But many congrats on achieving 10K subs. Your channel is one of the best in its genre and indeed deserves more subs. Maybe the topic of Jos Verstappen would be another good video. For the Dutch, he's one of the what could have beens. What would have happened had he signed for another team than Benetton in 1994 (he had options), or what if he'd replaced Herbert in 1995, or what if Honda didn't pull the plug on their 1999/2000 re-entry, or what if he hadn't spun off at Interlagos in 2003?
47:20 there is a kind of theme of Brazilian drivers playing the victim, blaming the team for sabotaging them and favoring the other driver, the brazilian media helps on these narratives too, Cristiano da Matta and Pizzonia say the same thing to explain why they failed on F1, Felipe Nasr recently too
Happy 10k buddy, hope to make that x100 soon!
If I could suggest a future video, maybe something on the death of Lotus? Johnny Herbert was really Mr. Unlucky sometimes
Thank you! Lotus could be an interesting one, just might be tough to pinpoint where to start on that one, but I’ll certainly consider it!
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I love this❤
Well done on 10k! really deserve the views and subs. another cracking video!
Rosset always felt like a raw talent, He was crazy fast and had skill but he relied on his natural talent which made him lazy and a bit too cocky, was he bad? yes in F1, but no he was pretty good... just not F1 levels of great.
Thanks!
Agreed, the potential he showed in F3000 shows there was a glimpse of something there. Maybe with a bit more application he would’ve been a more Pedro Diniz like figure.
I was 12 when I saw him going flat out against a wall of cars at Spa and already I could tell that was no way to drive an F1 car. This video just reminded me of so many more instances... amazing video, but we all still think it's a short debate don't we?
The problem is a mix of incredibly aggressive driving mixed with inexperience leads to heavy inconsistency and with the fucking terrible rides he had too it means his best moment were unseen by most and his worst moments were as flamboyant and attention grabbing as Gilles's best. Tho I don't have much sympathy after all it was his choice to go up to F1 as soon as he did and take any ride he could get even they were the shitbox among shitboxes.
If he did couple more years in Formula 3000 or in European endurance racing, gone to a reserve role somewhere to know some F1 tracks he hadn't raced on better. He would've been experienced enough to show his real speed at those tracks plus with the wait and the (most likely) growing rep. Probably would've debuted on a decent midpack team for 2000 like Sauber or Prost where his talent and patience would've shined and he would've been (especially with his funding) would've had every team wanting his name on their cars.
And he probably would've ended up as a second driver on a 2002 Renault maybe or a 2008 Mclaren and would've won some races and had decent success. But he made all the wrong choices, had the wrong attitude and bam now he's one of the worst drivers in history.
If he had calmed his ego his funding and junior rep would've meant he could've broken into F1 at anytime he wanted but didn't take advantage of that chance so few have.
buddy well done. more long form content plz you're the only person like black pants legion in motorsport out there. ta pal
Even Gio Lavaggi looked at Ricardo Rosset and thought “Bruh!”
Ayo he backkk!
Quite fair. Bad luck, financial mistakes and incompetence on one end, and a driver with some definite talent, but unable to adjust and a poor attitude. I'm glad he did well elsewhere. He just was not meant for F1.
Great video...one correction would be: MasterCard didn't pull the plug on Lola. Broadley did. MasterCard were caught off guard just as Rosset and Sospiri were. Eddie Jordan hosted their corporate guests over the weekend and had already arranged a meeting with the execs on Monday by the time word got out about Lola's withdrawal.
I would so love a mobile chicane on Jan Magnuson, especially since Jan have been quite open on his own flaws when it comes to F1.
It’s one of many ideas on my list! So one day!
I had the honour of seeing him bin a F1 car in the flesh at Silverstone in 1998 :D
Love seeing the Cat cameo and Red Dwarf in here
I’ve been rewatching the original series recently - and loving it!
I have a feeling you can be a great racer, but also a wretched formula 1 driver.
This man passed both of the above
judgement part is too long for rosset, he does not deserve such a debate
those mid 90s philips car systems and unimat liveries are iconic
One of the best drivers profiles you can find anywhere. 10/10
Thank you!
If it's any consolation to Mr Rosset, I always liked his helmet design. Nice and simple.
Just realised the 3 big chassis manufacturers in Indycar- Lola (Larrousse & Mastercard), Reynard (BAR) & Dallara (Haas) all tried to make cars in F1. A reminder Rosset was born in 1967, so he was already 28 when he took runner-up in 1995. Jos & Takagi were much younger than him, but his lack of talent nor work ethic exposed in F1. Some deride Kimi Raikkonen for being "lazy", but Kimi was renowned for his great technical feedback and entrusted to do tyre testing for Michelin. Kimi was also known for sitting besides kart tracks and he could hear which kart had more power by comparing revs via their engine notes. Rosset was a modern day Dave Walker, but without the beer belly.
Dallara had their own works operation in the late 80s too, even scored a couple of podiums!
Riccardo Rosset: The longest fairly short debate
I would love video about Tomáš Enge
what's the thing about him?
@@birandkoray his Cannabis scandal which cost him F3000 title, his races at Prost, his achievments in other series and in my opinion he deserved another chance
Dont know if you do requests,but would be intresting if you would do a video on Arrows /Walkinshaw combination !
It’s on the to-do list!
A video on Vandoorne could be pretty goo
Ah, the Tosser...
At least he didn't get run over by the safety car.
Excellent video. I will agree that F3000 in the mid 90s was pretty poor frankly. 1995 and 1996 might have been the nadir.
Wow, 1996 was indeed lacking in future F1 talent (the most notable I could see was Zonta and Da Matta), though to be fair had some decent talents, like Muller and Kristensen.
@@TheMobileChicane Brack was also quite beloved here over in CART. Great oval driver. Did Muller ever even have a test role?
Muller tested for Arrows and Sauber, and he did a lot of test work for BMW before they returned to F1 in 2000, he was linked to the drive at Williams that year before Jenson Button got it.
F1 is full of hard luck stories. Of course it's always been true that success in other formulas doesn't necessarily equate to success in F1. It's an extremely demanding discipline.
One race I did at Cadwell park I could not see the start lights because the bloke in front of me never went fully onto his slot, it was bloody awful and of course the car behind me could see the lights so you never know. We were in saloon cars though not low down things
15:22 brave man!
Host Sounds like
Drachinifel, I'm new to the channel.
I miss F1 Rejects :( but I saved all their podcasts before they went offline :)
Same! I regularly frequent the web archive when researching videos.
@@TheMobileChicane great video, subbed instantly :)
Andrea De Cesaris, anyone? "Uncle Rolf"?
I remember Rosset's F1 career. He's the poster boy for the complaints about pay drivers. In short, lol, Rosset was shit
Always felt bad for Rosset - ended up in joke teams 3 years running, two of which were in "transition" years where the cars were terrible and had no development at all - especially given that he was clearly only there as far as the teams were concerned to fill the second car. He's way better than the trolls give him credit for, but in the internet age it's always easy for talentless lackeys who'll never sit in a race car to have "opinions".
The Tosser ❤
Well crap im gonna be 50 minutes later at my friends party now.
Worth it!
what is insane? I’m Brazilian and NEVER heard of him 💀
He makes Zhou look like Senna
We will never see another like him nor Mazepin
Come on, some of fans are too harsh on Mazepin. Mick wasn't much better, as time has shown.
@@chibiy2j775too harsh on Mazepin?! Nah he was awful, two seconds per lap slower than Mick in race pace
@@crystalracing4794 well, Chilton was losing same seconds to Bianchi and was crashy as well, but he never received so much hate then.
@@chibiy2j775Chilton did slightly better in Indycar and was a contender to win 2017 Indy 500. But he also never slammed his team publically like Mazepin and his dad in DTS
@@chibiy2j775well Mazepin was bad and got alot of bad press(slamming his own team, allegations of inappropriate behaviour) whereas Chilton was just bad, there have been plenty of poor drivers in F1
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Finally a deep dive on Ricardo 'Tosser' Rosset
next up is 100k or is it 50k? It's gonna happen soon either way
I’d be grateful for 20k! I’ll have to think about what the next subscriber special would be!
Not trying to join trials makes him deserve all the slack he gets. Top competition demand top investment.
Rosset was good. Not great, but much better than superficial analisys usually credit him.
even rosset disagrees with you
Context should be taken when you look for a talent... Verstappen if he didnt had the support from red bull...he would have been dropped wkth all those mistakes...but look at him now,hes the greatest of all time possibly...maybe if teams had more time with Maldonado we would have had a great driver now
What's the problem with Piquet?
Because he called Hamilton the N . Word.
HWNMNBD? (Shout out F1 Rejects!)
If you know, you know!
He's still a bum to me. Finished runner up with the lowest points ever for 2nd place and in the weakest grid of the whole 90's in F3000 to Vincenzo Sospiri of all people, who wasn't F1 material either. Got anihilated by Jos Verstappen, an average F1 driver at best and Tora Takagi, a below average F1 driver.
Just look at what really good drivers did in bad cars, Alonso at Minardi, Bianchi at Marussia, Hulkenberg at Haas etc.
It's possible to shine in a bad car, Rossett only got attraction for doing stupid stuff on track and beeing terribly slow.
If you put him in the 98 Ferrari he probably would have qualified 4-5 seconds slower than Schumacher in the same car and that's the benchmark.
Ricardo Tosser
I'd say Rosset was a classic case of a decent driver who could have their confidence destroyed by the wrong environments, especially at the highest level.
Nelson Piquet. World Champion 3 times. Cry louder.