Old vs New: Is the New Ford Raptor Really Better Off-Road?
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2017
- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) Old vs New: Is the New Ford Raptor Really Better Off-Road Than the 1st generation SVT Raptor? Cliffhanger 2.0 trail.
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The Raptor wins.
+Paul Montero yes, that's soooooo totally true! ;-)
The Fast Lane Truck Thank you Roman and Andre and the rest of the TFL crew! I love your videos. Keep up the good work!
Paul Montero the 2017
Paul Montero bet my first gen Tacoma will beat both these raptors off road
guy proulx ummm, not even close.
Sticking with my 6.2 for now. I love the new ones, but he V8 is for us old-timers.
The designers hit a home run with the first gen Raptors and smashed it out of the park with gen 2.
Both those trucks are at the top of the food chain.
Patrick OHarold yea the wagon is hideous and the Chevy reaper.. I'm not even gonna say nothing lol
Wish they could just put the 6.2L V8 in the 2018/2017 Raptor.
5.0 would be better
No, i have one with the ecoboost and it does just fine
G63 engine?
I agree with the 6.2L V8 option.
Ty Murphy but that v6 is from the Ford gt belive it for not
I still can't understand why ford can't make a ecoboost V8 and have best of both worlds.
keepitmoving luckily those steep regulation demands have been rolled back with the new administration
Karnage543 they will be for the gt500. it'll be interesting to see if they do for the truck again. itd be expensive though
Dave Weber Luckily? Are you serious? You realise the US is the only country that's not agreeing to cut it's pollution....Even China agreed to it. Our administration this term is a joke but too many American's are to stubborn to want to change because of personal preference (like this with the V6 vs the V8, even though the V6 is better in every way) or because it requires some effort on their part but are lazy.
Seraphim Valkyrin You couldn't resist curbing your political dogma to put in your 2 cents on a truck page on UA-cam could you?
The heavy regulations on emissions for car companies are being rolled back so that's great news for the market. It means the people who want a V8 Ecoboost will have a greater chance of seeing it. And let's face it, people who will buy it could care less about emissions and mpg.
Seraphim Valkyrin V6 is better in every way? no replacement for displacement
call me Old Fashioned but i prefer the old Manual Transfercase and lockouts
Perry2186 Agree. Love my manual transmission, manual transfer case, manual locking hubs. Reliability.
Love your channels. Keep up that entertaining work. I can´t wait for my new Raptor late this year- early next year, here in Europe....
Ohhh man I love Andre! Glad he's in a lot of episodes!
That is such an awesome area to explore. Can't wait to retire and come do exploring all around there and other western states. Did some skiing there and Utah many years ago and its so beautiful out there. But never been in summer months to do stuff like Moab and stuff. Found that trail and see many others. Hope people take care of them. Those Switzerland trails are huge. Vey Cool.
I want to really see you take the heavy duties up there with the Diesel engines. Tons of torque at low rpm. See how well the heavier trucks with their off road packages do.hope to really see that one day even if it's the 250 platforms
Mike Tacey I have a lifted F350 with the 7.3L. beats you to death, but does great. I may install sulastic shackles and see if it helps.
Power Wagon would probably do it ... if it can make it around the razor bend, it might be too long for that section. A base model Wrangler had little issue with CH 2.0.
Nice. Hope us could post a vid next time. Still these new heavy duties say they are off road worthy as they are with out a lift, so would be great to see if and how worthy they really are when it comes to some off reading as opposed to how much they can haul or pull.
Hi guys, love your videos and the Tatra badge at the back of Blue Beard. I am living 50 miles from where these offroad Kings are made (well actually Queens, because Tatra is she in Czech language). So greetings from Czech Republic and keep making these awesome videos, you rock!
Such a sweet aerial shot towards the end. Great camera work and production yet again. 😎
+Aaron Stokes Thank you!
Awesome video keep up the good work. I've been a subscriber since January 2014
+James Kelsey thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching so long
The Fast Lane Truck thank you guys for posting these videos not only here but on TFLcar and TFLnow I watch all three channels and I am a pretty big fan
BradyTooSaucy No. Not even close
BradyTooSaucy don't be an internet tough guy bro. It makes you look like a douche.....
Love the cliffhanger trail videos. It really shows the truck's off-road capabilities. Nice work guys!
+Yeah Baby Racing Thanks!
guy proulx clearly not he's been saying that 2 everyone
Clearly Brady is an idiot
guy proulx 😂😂
Great video on two fantastic trucks. Great comment at the end about driver and a friend. Maybe a video on spotter responsibilities would be good. To start with I think the call is "Driver" not "Right".
Love this channel
Always love your videos guys. As a long time subscriber with a professional monitor, it looks like the color saturation and white balance was a bit off on this video. Most of the time it is fine. Keep on trucking Roman, you can't go wrong with either one that is for sure!
Great cinematography in that video.
Cool comparison. Thanks guys.
That red color is so badass. I love it
I love my 2018 raptor, love the ecoboost v6. Does everything i need it to do. Only haul my yamaha viking for hunting and it does just fine. Never been stuck in the fields once. Been in some shit in wet corn fields moving a muddy box blind and still made it in & out. I am running toyo open country MT tires tho
Awesome, thanks guys!
This is a very well made video.
I would have to admit this is a DIFFICULT trail but the view at the TOP is FAB!!!!! :)
Coming from a person who owns both a 2013 and 2018 I gotta say the 2018 is by far the way nicer and more comfortable and more powerful truck
Jonny Razor great! My order for my 2019 ford raptor just went through today!!
Joe Momma hell yea bro you’re gonna love it👌🏻👌🏻
Joe Momma congrats👌🏻🔥
Jonny Razor thanks bro!! I can’t wait!!!
I have a 2018 Raptor and still have to take it back in to have an issue with the seatbelts “potentially” catching on fire taken care of, lol
The EcoBoost is pretty sick. I love mine
airing down also softens the ride a bit
It seems that both of these trucks handled the trail much easier than either Jeep in the Rubicon/Sport comparison video.
I bought a 2014 instead of the 2017. No matter how much plumbing you put on the v6 it will never be a v8.
can we just admire how beautiful the new raptor is 😍😍😍
Man Andre is a class act
V8 and trucks go together like a cold beer on a Friday night
I don't care for Ford, but DAMN that red Raptor is gorgeous.
wicked video I love this channel keep it up guys I wish I had money to donate
Love blue beard. Love that v8 raptor. Also just looks meaner then the new raptor. Oh ya and sounds meaner. 👍🏻
Andre is getting much more profesional and his english is so perfect..!!!
Wrong explanation of how a torsen differential works.
The Torsen is NOT a locking diff. It is a limted slip, and the names are exactly right. A locker locks in BOTH wheels to get maximum traction. A limited slip does limit the slip by braking the wheel that is spinning in a low traction situation in the hopes that the other wheel will start spinning and gain some traction. That actually is fairly effective, but not as much as a true locker. You know that both tires are digging with a locker.
I like the way the gen 2 looks better than gen 1. But I'd sacrifice that for the 6.2 V8. That being said I adore my Chevy Silverado with the 6.2 V8 so I'll just stick with that.
Same! I have a Sierra with the 6.2!
Chevy for the win! though, can you go off-road with your Silverado?
@@Alviniscute Of course you can.
I would love to see a video of the ZR2 taking the cliffhanger. When can we expect to see that happen?
+Pete Woelke Hopefully in about a month.
I just tested the '18 raptor and found it to have too much lag in acceleration, not happy with it for $70k.
Phatt Daddy Pedal commander will clear that right up for 225.00
Lol yea 450 hp lags lol, what a joke, what do you drive a 800 hp civic??
@@redetroitwing 1600 j.a.
Would love to see the new Colorado ZR2 do this. I suspect it could probably do Dare without much trouble.
When you're spotting off road it's
not right or left its Passenger side or driver-side
+J.G. Conumdrum Yes, but Andre can read Roman's mind, so no need. :)
i love that red on the new raptor. i feel like im the only one who likes/doesnt mind the v6 in the new raptor/sound(not saying its better tho) lol
josh nalepa anyone that has driven one doesn't care. I rather like it in mine. Did get a bit of V8 envy hearing the Gen 1s roar at TRR, but my truck was significantly more capable
I am the same I love the v8 but the fact that the v6 gives more hp and tq sells me on it.
Now this is a good comparison....makes up for the Tahoe vs. SRT Durango (towing a boat) video.
billy mc That video was awesome!
Do you guys go descend the trail through the same trail taken going up?
Have yall tested the toyota tundra TRD pro of the cliffhanger 2.0 yet?
I totally agree with roman. I'd keep the old raptor if I were him just because of the V8. Ford certainty screwed up the new raptor with a twin turbo
Wouldve been betterif the cameras focused on the harder sections in full vehicle and obstacle view to compare how they handle them to compare differences
The end of the video is best.
we love what you guys are doing keep it up
I have a 6.2 and drove a v6, rather the old raptor any day
I think you should do a video where old-blue gets modified to match the 450HP in the V6 and show if there is (car and driver slang) any replacement for displacement.
There is replacement for displacement it's called turbos!
Hey guys so I have a suggestion. how about you take any off road truck or suv and do an uphill battle on a wet grass and see how the 4wd systems work!
I like the gen 1. No need to be the fastest. I like the looks, it has the great body lines but not over exaggerated like the new one. Insane that they are still selling for so high
Honestly, I unintentionally did a similar trail with my 14' Silverado LTZ Z71 when I went on an A to B jeep trail without doing enough research. Handled it just fine minus the clear coat damage from the width of the trail lol. Not saying my silverado is comparable to a raptor. Just saying this stuff is too easy haha
Nice Pioneer, you should showcase that!
+Donnie Ragland Tomorrow on our car channel the Pioneer takes on the Wrangler. Please subscribe if you want to get a notification. www.tflcar.com
the old one is better because of that beautiful 6.2l v8
titanium turbo 3.5 is a monster of a motor
titanium turbo now if you dropped the 4.0L V8 twin turbo in it that Audi uses in the S8........
I find it cute all the v6 turbo lovers. Put the same turbo setup on the 6.2 and go pound sand.. NO replacement for displacement.
Really good video, both trucks made it look easy. Good driving guys.
Damn I wish I had the money to buy a Raptor. They are perfect factory trucks for being a daily driver and off roader when you want it/need it.
Wow... seemed so easy to put it in D to shift it into “crawl mode”. Or is that cause I don’t have an extra 30k for a “decent” truck. Or maybe it’s also because I prefer manual T Cases where I physically put it into whatever 2 to 4 high low configuration I want. Not to mention the fact I can lock or unlock the front hubs to “whip” around objects. And I forgot to mention. This is a 1993 Ram W250 which makes both these trucks look bitchmade.
I would love to see both trucks scaled to see what the real world difference in weight is. I bet its not going to be a big difference. What do you think TFL
I tend to think expectations should match sticker price with some of these tests. And since you can't just create ideal new roads maybe you should figure a standard way to handicap these rather than just expecting apples to be able to compete with old apples, huh? Just a thought 💭 but if my $63000. Pickup didn't go up that little trail, I'd be giving it the "here after" story.. 😜 thanks Guys
Bob/Okc
What kind of gas should you use in a GEN 1 Raptor? What kind of gas should I put in my 2018 Raptor? I get so many different answers. Thanks
Anyone know what rating and size are the raptor bfg KO2 tires?
TFL folks, please make your life easier and buy a proper tire deflator. Saves so much time and you are sure to hit the mark you want in no time. I’d also be interested seeing such comparisons without lockers engaged. I am always wondering why you guys engage lockers almost by default. I hardly need to use the lockers in my JK and would have gone up Cliffhanger without them too. Also, there is less stress on your drivetrain, what is important to me long term. In an old truck with no traction control at all, that’s a different story of course. I’d take the old Raptor anytime and would not care about the lack in performance. The V8 rumble and a less complicated engine is enough reason for me. But I understand everyone who prefers the newer model for added performance and improved suspension. Thanks TFL for all your hard work!
+mauiman52 thanks. We have a deflated, but we were deflating three vehicles at the same time. A locker helps on a steep incline going up with not much side slope. You are right, a locker can make you 4x4 slide sideways on a side slope.
i noticed the black plastic piece between the hood and windshield is cracked on the new Raptor
Where is this trail? Colorado somewhere?
blue beard still got it!!!
Lots of mention of the new trucks torque, but Are high levels of torque available while rock crawling? What about turbo lag?
Hey guys, the pedal commander or the Diablo pcm kit is legit?
great video! you finally convinced me to become a patreon
+Aaron Cupp Thank you for the support!
What do you guys do when you scrape the dealer trucks on this video? Do you have to pay for any damage?
I would take either truck both look good
I like the crew. They compliment each other, but I'm sure Roman is a challenge to work for.
63k? In Cali they have 20-30 thousand dollars tacked on to the price "market price". I couldn't get into one for less that like 90k. So I kept my FX4.
Turbo blue beard! You'll get the power of the new raptor and the rumble of the 6.2
why are they rock crawling Baja trucks, i thought these trucks were built for high speed whoops etc.??
Curt Kautsch this trail is fit for trucks with the likes of the ram power wagon not the raptor
The Raptor will go anywhere any other truck its size will go.
Could you swap the V6 twin turbo for the 6.2L V8 in the 2017 Raptor? If so, another question. Could I add twin turbos to the swapped V8 or is it better to add a supercharger instead? If I go with the supercharger option, it's probably better to just swap for the Shelby Raptor engine, no? That V8 sounds amazing.
Long time overdue but you're better off just getting a Whipple for the 6.2. As time has gone on the 3.5 Ecoboost has a lot of issues from cam phasers to fuel system failure. The 6.2 has and continues to be a proven workhorse.
Also, consider that engine swaps for new vehicles aren't even remotely easy anymore. You're looking at 25,000 for just the engine.
Do you know what Raptors are good for? Convincing people that they need a $70,000 truck to go off road. And by off road I mean a dirt road that happens to have a basketball sized rock in the middle of a puddle that's a foot deep.
CRQ5508 Gotta hand it to the marketing dept for creating that desire to purchase these. I've never seen a Raptor outside of the suburbs, let alone on a gravel road.
you should get old blue beard the supercharged roush package and then compare it too the new raptor.
the beard part could have been the skid plate under the front
HI guys! Great video! Question; i have seen you take the new titan pro 4x up this hill but not a fx4 F150, would you say that it is because the pro 4 x is superior at off roading over the fx4 or are they comparable and you just haven't gotten to it?
I bet/wonder if my 03 rubicon could make it up the trail
How does turbo build boost at low rpm
Where in Colorado are they?
Andre! did you buy a truck yet? I'm willing to bet it will be a 2018 f150 v8 10spd. I just purchased a 2017 ram 1500 bighorn for cheap! couldn't pass on the deal.
I bet you trade blue in before end of year! 😂😂😂 You deserve the new raptor buddy!
Automatic transmission or dual clutch?
Put the old engine in the new body. Get the V8 sound track and torque band and the rust resistance of the new body with all the new tech as well
You know what Roman? I have a 2012 Raptor, short one though, and I thought when they announced the new one I'd rush over to Ford to get the new one, with the 10 speed, massive torque, better suspension. And today, I still can't do it. I've gotten attached to it much more so than any other vehicle I've owned.
G. W Cook i have a 2014 and I can't get enough of it. I wanna constantly drive it
BradyTooSaucy ur not funny.
Just have both 🙃
Man what a view up there. Always see going up. So out of curiosity, I guess you take a different way down. If you go back down same way. Does someone at bottom warn someone. Doesn't look like much two lane movement. At least what we see.
BradyTooSaucy dude, really?
Roman please get the next generation raptor 2019 thanks
Maybe you should tell the exact weight of them since you mentioned the upgraded military aluminum no matter the difference
Doesn't matte, Chevy is still lighter.
I used to hate Andre because he's a furriner and he talks funny, but now after watching a bunch of TFL videos I don't hate him so much anymore. I guess he's pretty cool
I just looked at Ford.ca and did a 'build' to see what it was worth up here in Canada. It starts at $70,000. Yikes! For kicks and giggles I added a 'few' LOL options and the price shot up to $85,000, and I wasn't even done.
las mejores las dos
raptor the best
Power wagon is dodge off road one and would for sure out perform fords fx4 or chevy z71 but can they do it? Do u need a light duty platform, do u need 2 did trucks to pull and go off road? I'm not talking like the raptor where your racing but if u need to get to some places could they really do it or not so well do to size and weight? The good things ya know
Mike Tacey but they are unreliable trucks and my 1st Gen Toyota Tacoma would destroy the Z71 the Raptor and the Dodges
Just because it’s a Toyota it’s the only reliable vechicle
* not
still waiting on the FX4 Z71 and Tundra TRD on cliffhanger
Don't forget the Pro-4x. I want to see them all.
Daniel Bell they have done the pro 4x and it made it all the way to the top!
Not at the same time they didn't.
Definitely need to do more on the Tundra TRD Pro.
hi witch one is better for sand the old raptor or the new one and also what is better a winch or a strap
The old one better in sand
Am I the only one who thinks Andre sounds like Big Gay Al from South Park?
"...Confidenccce iz sssky high...
Thizz izz a cliff hanger 2.0...
I'm really exccccited that...
@ 2:20
Dizz izz ssso eeezy now...."
Hahaha hahaha hahaha....