So many UA-camrs forget how RAM intensive running a VM is. I have an M2 Max 16” with 32 GB of RAM because I’m using Parallels for certain programs. Not to mention a Docker container to run SQL Server Management Studio. Yes, 18 GB is a good baseline, but it’s not just video editing and music production that uses RAM.
As a creative, I'm looking for stable diffusion ML image generation and LLM text models, as well as Blender 4 for occasional 3d renderings. NONE of these UA-camrs even mention mention these. These M3s seem made for these, and also real developer work... not simply video editing. I think the M3s have proven these "reviews" need real experts, not just random people hitting "run" for random benchmarks.
How much faster does your battery drain when running the VM? Plan on buying an M3 MBP 16" and running in coherence Windows Excel (I work in finance but love the Mac ecosystem), but was told by some techies that I'm buying a Maclaren and driving it in a school zone. I was also told that by simply running the VM, my battery will get crushed. However, I figured if I got the 32GB Ram option, I would be fine.
@@efrenamandy2594 I usually run a single VM in parallels, so I can’t say for sure if 36GB of unified memory would be enough for running 3 concurrently in Parallels. My guess would be probably not. I would go with at least 64GB of unified memory for that.
Just got an m3 pro w/ 18gb and 1tb and it is great!. I hardly ever go past 14 gigs even while multitasking with lightroom and premier, safari tabs with youtube and spotify. The only time I encounter yellow memory pressure is when working with 4k footage in after effects, but I haven’t seen any swap so far.
I just bought this same - with the pro chip (assuming that is what yours is...I just need my laptop to do basic stuff, mail, web lookup, excel sheets, you tube and I'd like to send and receive videos to/from customers (I own a horse/sheep farm). I'm hoping I bought enough power.
I constantly have 200+ tabs open in chrome while running Premiere Pro and After Effects and I only have the 16gb model, I have not had many problems in 4 years…
Hi there! I'm planning to get an m3 pro and your app load sounds similar to what I'm planning on doing. How's it holding up a few months later, if you don't mind me asking?
This is a poor argument as Apple still offers 16GB+ in the MB Pro 14. So your problem is not the lack of RAM, it is that you have to pay £200 more to upgrade to it. Apple says that their 8GB model sell over 60% of total sales of those respective models. Why? Because most people using it have no issues with 8GB. The upgrade fee is another question, nothing to do with whether 8GB is enough, and this misunderstanding leads to an unfair critique. Especially when you factor in that every other ultrabook in Windows-land also starts at 8GB; it becomes more about trolling and flexing on Apple rather than sensible debate.
@@andyH_EnglandI mean personally I don’t really care about base model of any product bc I look always buy the mid tier model for this example MacBook Pro m3 pro and I’ll pay the extra however much it is cuz I’m going to use it for a long time, also the people don’t understand is that the m3 MacBook Pro is for people that need something more the a MBA and this product is more directed at college student and university not for main stream content creators, don’t get me wrong m3 MacBook Pro can still edit on premiere pro but simple editing not 8k so I don’t really have a problems and people don’t realise Apple is a company to make money
@@Tavs.fāters Lightroom! I have the M3 Pro with 18gb of ram and I'm constantly using "Swap" around 3 - 4gb. I'm gonna return it and get the 36gb model.
I personally recently bought a used base model air m1. I'm doing some 1080p video editing, and simple photoshop and figma stuff, and it's doing fine. But it's also because I have a gaming pc I can rely on in case there's really something out of the ordinary I have to do. Picking an 8GB model was totally a conscious decision, and I know that in case I need to upgrade, I could just give it to my parents who only do browsing and mailing exclusively, or maybe some Netflix.
For the sake of accuracy, swapping doesn't actually mean that some of the SSD is used as RAM. It means that data that isn't immediately needed gets copied onto the SSD, then it becomes temporarily inaccessible. When it's needed again, the current content of the RAM is saved onto the SSD and the required data gets copied back from the SSD to the RAM, hence the name "swap". So through an everyday analogy, imagine that you have 5 cars. You need all of them, but only one fits in your garage. Therefore, the other 4 you store 2 blocks away in a warehouse. Every time you need a different car, you need to drive your current car to the warehouse, swap it to another one, then drive away. When you need your other-other car, again, you need to drive to the warehouse and replace your cars. You can potentially use all of them, but it takes time to get access to one that's not currently with you. I'm oversimplifying it a bit, but you get the idea. Once your machine starts swapping, your performance goes downhill. The reason is that data in the RAM can be accessed within a few nanoseconds while data stored on the SSD can only be accessed in the range of a few microseconds, which is 1000x slower.
Came from a windows Asus gaming computer but never gamed, as I use it to produce EDM on FL studio. Got the m3 pro 18 gb with 12 core cpu and my GOD this thing is a beast. Everything runs so smooth with all the multiple plug ins and the heavy cpu orchestral sounds. Added benefit it the battery life/ quietness I can produce anywhere I go.
I’m thinking about buying an m3 pro 36gb ram for producing on fl studio and djing, you think I should stick to 18gb ram instead and save me those $400?
Great video. Most people can stop watching at around 6:30 as anyone who is even looking at more than 16/18gb of RAM knows it and doesn't really need to watch this. But, fun to watch none the less.
All geez. Yeah, I ended up with a Mac Studio with 32gb RAM which is way over board for my use, but it was the same price than a MacBook Pro with double the RAM which will do me for a very very long time. Buy it nice or buy it twice. @@TheLoneCamper
Working since 2021 on my M1 mac book air with just 8GB and I couldn't be happier, I don't do too much power intensive stuff, except trading but what I can assure you that if you use your notebook lightly, 8GB is more then enough. In case you do power hungry stuff, I cannot imagine you need more then 16GB and an upgrade to 32GB is probably a waste of money. It really depends on your work and I think its an ego problem if you really have to upgrade the RAM etc and throw your money out of the window. 400USD for 18GB of Ram is insane! The new Macs starting from M1 are amazing machines! For disk space, I would rather buy external drives and cloud bases solutions and if locally needed and speed is the priority, build a PC.
Just ordered the M3 Max 128gb 16”. I’m upgrading from a 2013, which was finally starting to show its age. That’s how long I make these last, which is why I maxed it out.
I have a M1 Pro with 16gb. From a restart it is using about 9gb before I open any apps. I can hit 16gb with just some tabs open in Safari open. I have run out of ram a few times trying to create a doc in Canva. No way I would do less than 48gb when I upgrade.
I’m thinking of either getting the M3 Pro 16” with 36gb, I want it for some light 4k video editing and photoshop, is 36gb an overkill? Should I just got with the 18gb with 512gb storage? Thanks!!
I have The M3 Pro 36GB with 512. It is perfect for what you want. I always go small storage, as such I upload to my own NAS Storage. I have 30tb of Storage, and will max out with 3 more SSDs for a total of 60tb.
128GB is the way to go if you are a graphic designer/3d modeler who is working in blender3d, photoshop, illustrator + windows in VM (Parallels) to run something like 3dsmax at the same time. I know because I'm one of those people. Multiple projects opened daily. Also 2x 4K monitors help a lot in this workflow but require additional resources. So yeah, if you can afford it and need it go for as much RAM as you can. You won't be able to upgrade later so choose wisely.
I wish I could ask him if he would recommend -16GB 1 TB ssd M3 8CPU 10GPU or -18GB 512ssd M3 Pro 11cpu 14 gpu My old MacBook from 2012 just does the spinning color wheel all the time.. I want to avoid that.. it says 8GB Ram ddr3.. not sure if it sucks because it’s old or because the storage is almost full or what..
@Justin-ww8xk I had the same dillema. My old Intel one had 16GB, and Phpstorm always complained, and I was deciding between M3 Pro base 18GB and 36GB, but I think M3 Pro 36GB with 1TB is the right choice, even with the unified memory being faster already, its more future proof. And you never know what your needs will be in the future. Software Dev using VM's.
Why do you think you need 36? Costs go up so dramatically that if you are a hobbyist, an amateur, not a professional, and if you aren't doing ram-intensive work 4 hours a day, you may never use what you are buying. I would definitely consult with as many people as possible about exactly what you are doing with the computer, and for how long each day, to clarify your needs. Again, these computers are incredibly expensive. Do you know how many $3000 plus macbooks go on sale every day that are fairly new?! People buy these expensive products then sell them because they didn't know what they needed.
What about the lifespan of the Macbook? I mean, my Macs have lasted 6-7 years, then they get too slow... Does more ram (lets say the max 128 ram) will that make my Mac last longer?
I’m a graphics designer and using photoshop illustrator indesign, lightroom and general productivity. Photoshop can use 16gbs easily in my experience. I smash 64gb on the daily and get ram low errors through istat menu all the time. So ye “I can’t think of anyone” who could use 96, I could saturate that with my workflows. If you’re a pro using your machine everyday you don’t shut programmes down because it takes time to get back to where you were. I don’t think I’m in the 5% but ram is ram and the more you have the more the system will use. Kind of sick of hearing this advice from apparent people who “know” what others need.
I spoke to Apple techs, two of them, since I'm going to be doing basic video editing as I learn to shoot documentaries (a hobby not a job) and not on a full time basis. Both of them indicated that 16g would be sufficient. But your comment makes me wonder. What's frustrating is that the answer to each of our individual needs is an actual consult with someone who is doing similar work.
I hope I get a response before this day gets started. I bought the 14inch MacBookPro M3Max with the following specs! 14 Core CPU, 30 Core GPU, 36GB of unified memory. I believe = max 300GB/‘s memory bandwidth. My question is this.,. I will ONLY use this laptop for editing 1080p and some 4k files (drone footage) maybe some 4k DSLR footage as well with a lot of 3rd party plug in’s for Final Cut Pro X like Titles, Generators, Effects and transitioning etc… should I return this product and upgrade to 64 GB of unified memory with 16 core CPU and 40core GPU? Which by the way would = Max 400GB/s memory bandwidth! OH and does 14” vs 16” make a difference with the same exact specs? Thank you in advance.
@@TheMezaFamily did you find the m3 max to be insufficient ? I use heavy editing programs and 3d as well as DAWs I was thinking of getting the M3 you mentioned but I feel it won’t be enough So I’m maxing it to 96 gb I need a laptop as I move a lot and Im based on the apple ecosystem so getting a windows is not an option let alone building a PC What would you advise.
honestly I just kept the MacBook Pro as well... Since I take trips and sometimes I like to edit on the go as well. But it seems pretty slow compared to the Mac Studio Ultra... I mean, the desk top for some reason always seem faster. I threw everything I will possible I would do in an edit to test it, and it passed with no issues. As for the MacBook Pro I tried to do the same and it starts to get really noisy and hot. it still gets the job done BUT not as fast as the Mac Studio. So I'll just use the MacBook Pro for short edits and not too many transition etc. @@daanielllllllllll
I use Mainstage and Ableton at the same time to run virtual instruments in live music performance and running tracks at the same time in which I'd run many instances of very heavy sample based instruments in Mainstage to the point where I use to use up my 16 gigabytes of ram years ago so fast that it'd crash often, I upgraded to the i9 with 6 cores of 32gb of ram, after around 5 years I've started using up all 32 gigs and often do have issues with CPU overloads with audio dropouts using up pretty much all the memory, therefore, in the search for an upgrade I come to be torn between the m3 max with 14 cores and 96 gb of ram or 16 cores with either 64gb of ram or 128 because of my exponential usage of RAM with mixing and mastering projects with over 100 tracks per session of recorded tracks of up to 30 gb of length between each track, with a lot of virtual instruments, and video editing, and occasional streaming. Any thoughts or comments on my situation?
intel is trash in 2024 And no, it’s not all about the RAM, the processor is important too. I recommend going for 64GB, and believe me, it will work well. I also use Ableton and several Kontakt libraries, and I have no problems with only 18GB of RAM in my M3 Pro. If you have the money, the more RAM the better; you’ll have a capable machine that will last a long time.
Just bought a new MBP 18GB 512GB version and yesterday faced a beachball when doing basic tasks, web browsing, and file searching in spotlight, while transferring music to a flash drive. I also noticed the RAM memory was not under to much load or pressure buy doing these tasks took up almost 13 gb of ram. I updated the software to the latest version, hoping this gets resolved but today an basic App glitched staying frozen on the screen. I have not even loaded this thing up yet or pushed it. I would like to use this for video editing but now I feel like this machine is not enough. M3 Pro chip and new architecture seem to be needing more RAM to run basics, is that true?
Since the M4 chip is out now, the M4 MacBook Pro computers can’t be far behind, most likely October/November, just in time for me to get one for Christmas or just before!
@@Doors_of_janua Theoretically, 5 maybe 6 months from now, give or take a few weeks, the M4 will be out. Sure, you can trade the M3 in on an M4, but why bother? Go for the gold, I say!
Great video👍 I'm thinking to buy m3 pro 18gb RAM, do you guys think it should be suitable for Topaz AI work on videos up to 1 minute long? I see recommended RAM is 32gb, currently using macbook m2 air with 8gb and the rendering time is too long
My 16gb M1 Mac mini can even dig into swap just because I forget I have to many excel sheets and safari tabs. I couldn’t imagine 8gbs. Looking forward to upgrading to the M3 pro with 18gb
I am in medical school now, but when I was a data Engineer/Scientist for the US Gov making huge ML/AI models, I worked with streaming data (so over 200GB of changing data, sometimes TB) and easily could have used 128 GB of ram.... I had 64 GB of ram, and I had to run some programs while I was sleeping so they could be done in a reasonable time. To give you a real life use case. When presenting my work to stakeholders with live demos, we usually had to use a subset of the data. but due to the nature of the work and how important it was to be 100% accurate, when really using it, we had to use all of the data.
Why did you go into medical school from being a data scientist? I'm doing the exact opposite, i'm going from biomedical science into data science. At the moment my laptop specs is M2 max, 12 core CPU, 30 core GPU, 1TB SSD and 64GB RAM. Is this good enough for ML/AI modelling?
I use Adobe Photoshop and technically the most advanced interaction I’ll have with it is Perspective warping and some general edits to make my work cleaner and crisper. I also intend to use After Effects for some relatively basic video work; multi-slide complications featuring panning video clips, some light transitional effects, nothing huge. While I intend to get the M3 Max chip, should I get 36GB (which I think will future proof me for what I do) or spend the $$$ and get 48GB??? Any advice would be appreciated. I haven’t bought a MacBook Pro since I was gifted one in 2009!!
This was very helpful thank you. I'm debating on upgrading from an 18 gig m3 pro to 36gigs. I personally don't think I'll need it but my friends say I should consider it since I don't plan on replacing this laptop unless it dies or becomes unsupported like my current iMac.
If budget is not a problem, then always go one step up than what you think you would need today. I have 32 GB (I thought it will be enough at the time of purchase) and just a few months later I actually fill it up fairly quickly when multitasking. I wish I had gone with 64 GB. RAM is like a glass bottle. You will find yourself filling it up until as much as it can contain.
@@TheSmkfts Thanks for tip! I did end up with the 36 gig. I agree I feel like I'll end up needing it. My work macbook pro has 16 gigs and there have been a few times where it wasn't enough.
@@joe62845how is it holding up right now? on the verge of getting a m3 pro with 1 tb and 36 gb of ram i do heavy work for 400 dollars i could get the mad but its too much and i need it urgently
I'm also living the same dilemma: 18gb x 36gb 😭 My current job is pretty much web browsing and with my zephyrus g14 2022 model (I know, Windows) 60-80% of my 16gb are normally used. In a very near future I'll start coding and - with a macbook in mind - my main fear is to run out of ram in a non upgradeable device.
I use always around 50 GB Ram as I run a virtual Windows 11 machine and a virtual Linux Machine on my MacBook. For this I have the Max with 128 GB Ram, so it never swaps.
@@thomashartmann5037 Running Large Language Models locally, mobile development (with iOS and Android simulator/emulator), Virtual Machines, compiling large software development projects, etc, etc.
8:51 What you smokin’?? Apple doesn’t give any free RAM upgrade. $300 is for the M3 Max upgrade to 16 cpu/40 gpu alone. However, that selection forcibly upgrades RAM to 48 gb, but this is not free either. It adds another $200 RAM fee to the total price. In effect, $500 more for the 16 cpu/40 gpu model.
With a few Chrome tabs, Messages, Mail, and Spotify bumping leads to my base M3 Max to use over 22gb according to Activity Monitor. Happy I went with at least 36gb although the Max chip is overkill for me, I bought refurbished and saved some money.
I currently have the 2018 MacBook Pro with 8gb of memory. Trying to figure out what’s the best to get. I use illustrator, photoshop, premiere pro and after effect for motion graphics. I also play the fpv simulator to practice flying fpv drone. Most of the time I have either illustrator and after effect open or premiere pro also. What would be the best option for me?
Which MacBook is more performant for video editing: MacBook Pro 13” M2, CPU 8-core, GPU 10-core, but with 24 GB unified memory, or MacBook Pro 14” M3 Pro, CPU 12-core, GPU 18-core, and only 18 GB unified memory? Thank you in advance!
For folks running LLMs, VMs, along with heavy video and 3D work...it feels like 64 GB is the minimum, which unfortunately is *only* available on the top spec M3 Max chip. I wish Apple gave us the Max-30c with 64 GB as an option. The 96 GB is way too expensive of an upgrade.
I’m sorry that advice is waaaay too vague. Basically “buy lots of RAM on your M3 MacBook…if you think you need it”…Seriously? I think you guys need to do some more homework (benchmarking) before you release a video claiming to have the answers.
Will 128gb Ram be enough for music production? I only use synthesizer. I just ordered a maxed out macbook. I think the better the macbook the better the music.
Hello, I would like to use Parallel desktop on mac. How many GB ram do you advise in the MBP-M3 PRO. I would like to buy MBP next year, and i dont know how many GB rams to buy. THX a lot!
I have the 12 CPU/18 GPU/18 GB M3 Pro 14, and it has no problems running a standard Windows 11 ARM configuration in Parallels, which is 4 CPU cores and 6 GB of RAM with up to 3 GB for graphics. If you need anything more or are running multiple VM instances, then you should upgrade the RAM.
In memory databases use a ton of RAM. Far more than what's available on the Mac. A small deployment would use 768GB RAM, but it can go MUCH higher. What's an in-memory database used for? Real-time analytics mostly.
What is your opinion on a MBP M3 Chip 8-ccpu 10-cGPU and 24 GB of unified memory to run a VM for just basic windows excel ect? Thank you for your response 🎉
I just crashed my BRAND NEW Mac Book Pro M3 MAX with 36 gigs for memory trying to edit 4K video. TWICE. It "ran out of memory" and froze up. I was using latest Premiere Pro software... that might be why it crashed. Either Adobe makes SHITE software or the Mac needs hella more memory. I'm about to take it back but have no idea what to do next.
I have an M3 Pro MacBook Pro with 18GB of ram and 1TB of storage. It’s fantastic, and I don’t see myself needing more than 18GB for the foreseeable future. If I need to get a new MacBook 4 years from now, then so be it.
If you have an external monitor and don’t need it on the go, I would spring for the 14 inch with 96 gigs of ram but if you do need it on the go most of the time and you think you’ll be unhappy with 14 inches then go for the 16 inch but I’d ask myself what I want more, 2 more inches of screen or 32 extra gigs of ram? Personally I’d say go for the 14 inch and get a 2k or 4k external monitor. If you’re dropping 5 grand on (what I assume is) your main workstation, an extra 500 is nothing.
I have the 16” MBP with base M3 Max and 36GB RAM. I’m a software engineer and sometimes need the RAM for pretty demanding workflows but 48GB is overkill for me. I occasionally make some music on logic, play some very light games, and use light apps like inDesign as well. Appreciate the MBP speakers but I would trade them for a lower price as I use IEMs or AirPods Max when I need to and consume content on iPad, PS5, or TV. If you are not using pro apps or developing software, 16-24 gigs of RAM is enough.
I'm using Aftereffects (mainly making 2D motion graphics) and considering studying C4D. What would you guys recommend? MacPro14" M3 pro 18GB vs MacPro14" M3 pro 36GB
Get 32gb, I am doing after effects with 16gb of ram M2 pro, it works really well, but when it comes to some advanced projects and 4k video editing in premiere pro, it is really laggy sometimes. So I would recommend anyone 32gb of ram for advanced video editing.
@@PunŽivotahey i will also go with 32gb ram mackbook pro but with m4 will that be good for video editing 4k ill use premium pro after effects davinchi resolve photoshop ?
@@Dream99972 im currently using M3 Max 48gb ram, im ussing after effects and premiere pro, premiere pro is working really well, but even with 48gb of ram in AE I have encountered situations where my computer used 60-65gb of ram (swap) so from my current experience for advanced projects in AE I would recommend at least 48gb of ram with a sweet spot to never get into trouble at 64gb of ram. Of course, it all depends on the level you are editing at, but I would always in the future take at least 64gb of ram so I never get in trouble with missing ram. For 95% of editors out there 32gb of ram on a Mac will do the work. So If you want to get future proof lap top and you in the future want your editing on a higher level I would recommend going with 64gb or at least 48gb. For me update from 48 to 64 was only $200 but I didnt get it because there was a 15 day waiting period for the upgraded version and I needed to leave the USA in the next 5-10 days so I had to buy it ASAP, I hope those 5 days will not cost me some trouble in the future 🙂
I buy a high-end Apple laptop once per decade initially as a desktop replacement (which is what Apple silicon has given us in these MacBook Pros), then mid cycle (at the 5 year mark) a newer technology desktop will enter into the equation. Rinse and repeat, or at least that's how it's been for the past 3 decades, more or less on this end. Just got an Apple refurbished store (plus military discount) for a 14" M2 Max with the GPU bump, 64GB and 4TB. Saved $1500 just through the two discount mechanisms. Talk to you again in 2033.
0:50 Wrong, any modern (last 6 or so years) AMD or Intel processor that has an integrated GPU (and is using it) has unified memory. The memory is not part of the same chip on Apple silicon, it is just LPDDR4X or LPDDR5 on the SoC's substrate and it is not even close to the "fastest it could ever be". AMD and Intel desktop CPUs have much lower memory latency (i.e my 5700X with DDR4 3433MTs ram has 86 nanoseconds of memory latency vs over 100 nanoseconds for the M1) and PC GPUs have much higher bandwidths ( 1 TB per a second on some cards that use HBM2 memory)
I have maxed out over 64GB of ram on my PC before. just once. i was 3d modelling on solidworks. it was not a fun time always on the fear of the system crashing loosing my work.
Hi guys, i have an Imac 27, i9 10c. 128ram at 2111mhz, ssd1tb and i wish switch dor mobility, can someone tell me what macbookk shoud be similar with thats specs ?
Oddly enough my new MacBook Air 3 days old. Is consuming 14gb of ram and has 1gb of swap used just opening safari tabs. No more than 20 tabs. I find it interesting they will use everything possible. But it’s very snappy and I love it. Thought about a 32gb m1 or m2 pro instead but think I’m gonna rock with my 15in m3 air.
Thank you doing this video Who is the guy keeping you in check? OMGosh hilarious. I have to keep stopping to listen over because you get excited and talk quicker and quicker hee hee You remind me of one of those wind up torches, the more, you wind it, the higher, the brightness, but in your case, it’s talking about Apple MacBook Pro ❤
RAM is a problem, as shared Memory support is still weak. Meaning, if you got 18 GB, you 9 for CPU and 9 for GPU. Which is extremely low. Also the memory is super expensive. Same for SSD. Apple is doing it wrong, when selling Pro Laptops, that suddenly run out of memory because you didn’t wanted to pay the additional 400 for a RAM that would have cost a fraction of it. Apple driving us into a huge expensive experiment.
I own a 1st gen 2020 M1 MacBook pro 13" non "pro chip" as they weren't available at the time. One critical point most reviewers miss is the fact anything non pro only supports one external display.
so far for what i do 16 gigs has been fine but it is getting boarder line soon and yup no upgrades for my M1 ill need a new system by 2025 for sure unless apple starts using less ram for the OS and that wont happen so up new computer in 2025 for sure..
Should I get 48 or 64? Im a video editer, business owner, and a daytrader. I don't know if I should get 64gb of ram because I feel like that's too much, but I dont wanna regret it later down the line, and i really dont wanna upgrade either. This is for the m3 max 16 core, btw.
I am a graphic/web designer, I currently have a MacBook Pro M1 Pro with 10 (8 performance and 2 efficiency) cores, 16 GB RAM and 1TB storage. I'm searching to upgrade to an M3pro, which one is better: Apple M3 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 36GB unified memory 512GB SSD storage or Apple M3 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 18GB unified memory with an upgrade to 1TB SSD storage?
Tha ram is not "part of the same chip" it's just the same SoC. It in and of itself is not a chip, it's a a miniaturised PCB with places the RAM physically close to the CPU. When we say "chip" in electronics, we generally mean the same package and micrometre or smaller distances to different silicon dyes within the package. It would technically be possible to swap memory out on one of those SoC's per se, but rather difficult. You can also very easily fill that amount of ram up as a developer or engineer in many run of the mill situations.
I believe so. A video editing program that I recently applied to says at least 18gb minimum. Once again, 18gb on the light side. Probably 36gb for extensive work.
Did not upgrade I am still using M2 Max on my studio and MacBook Pro I am an architect and a game developer on my down time so all my Mac come with 64 gb ram I think if you are buying a Mac you have money so might as well just pay for the ram
I’m getting ready to make the leap from a 13-inch 2019 Quad Core Intel i5 MacBook with 8GB UM and 250.69 SSD. I’m heavily leaning toward the M3 MacBook Pro, with 36GB UM, and 500GB SSD for Music Production in Logic Pro. My only issue is deciding on whether or not to just get the 10-Core CPU as opposed to paying an extra $200 for the 12-Core. Would 1-core more really be worth it? Either way I imagine I’m gonna notice an extreme difference from what I’m used to coming from an Intel Mac. I also noticed some people are saying that the M3 is not worth the upgrade from M1 and M2 and that the memory bandwidth has been nerfed and performs a tiny bit slower than the M2 and M1. UPDATE: I was convinced into changing my mind about getting the M3. Two people, a B&H agent and one other person both advised me to not get the M3 unless I get the m3 max, which I’m not gonna do. Instead I’ve decided on going for the 12-Core M2 Pro with 32GB UM and 500GB SSD. The other person said: “Do not get the M3 for Logic unless you go M3 Max. Logic does not use Efficiency cores. So if you get the 11 core M3 Pro, that's only 5 Performance cores compared to 8 Performance cores on the 10 core M1 Pro and 12 core M2 Pro. The M3 Pro, even the base 11 core variant, is an upgrade in most ways, but not when it comes to Logic. I know this because I just dealt with it for Ableton, which similarly does not use E cores. I returned my 14" M3 Pro 11 core 18/512 for a refurb 14" M1 Pro 10 core 16/1tb. I get better Ableton performance, and have an extra $600 in my pocket. Now that I've been using the M1 Pro for a few days, I will say that the M3 Pro has it easily beat for battery life. An expected result of the trading P cores for more E cores. I definitely miss the battery life and how cool it ran. But it wasn't worth it to me paying significantly more money for worse performance in Ableton. But for anyone reading this, if your usage is more varied and Ableton/Logic/other non-E core program are not your primary use case, then an argument can definitely be made in favor of M3 Pro. Especially if picked up on sale.” And “I'm impressed by the B&H agent staying on top of this info. Good for them! The M2 Pro 10 core only has 6 P cores(6P+4E). So if in budget, go for the M2 Pro 12 core (8P + 4E). That would be the best configuration. If you want to save some money, you can do what I did and get a refurb M1 Pro 10 core (8P+2E). I personally was looking at refurb M2 Pro 12 core options, but it was another $600 compared the M1 Pro I got. I can afford it, but it came down more to principle. Didn't see the point spending that much more money just for 2 additional E cores. Also, I plan on seeing what the core configuration of future M4 Pro devices will be and might consider trading up to that. So it made sense for me to go with M1 Pro 10 core at this point in time. Edit: Wanted to add that while the extra cost of M2 Pro 12 cores wasn't worth it for me, it may be for you. The additional 2 E cores might be worth it to you if you have any other workload that can actually use all available cores.”
Have a look at all the Maxtech comparison videos. That's where your sources probably got their data from. The M3 is just a joke with 8GB of RAM, and it loses a USB C port as well. The M3 Pro is better than the M2 Pro in some regards, but not others in Maxtech testing. Basically as you said, it depends on the task and application. Honestly, unless you are going to be doing 8K video editing or doing heavy, heavy workflows that your previous desktop was a liquid cooled Windows, or M2 Ultra, or are game designing / are a professional gamer, you are far better off with an M2 Pro. Just make sure you get a 1 TB SSD because the 512 is heaps slower. And the extra efficiency cores on the M2 Pro as you said, are not worth it to a power user. For someone who alternates between heavy tasks and light tasks, then yes, you will see slightly better battery life, as the performance cores won't be powered up when you open your emails on top of a UA-cam video... but if you are only using your Mac for Logic, then definitely no need to pay more! Assuming you have an iPad or another computer for lighter tasks, or will only be doing those at home / plugged in.
@@dannybeeh6332 I would like to get the TBSSD but that doesn't appear to be available. Only the 512GB SSD where I'm looking to get it. Either way I imagine it's gonna be heaps faster than the quad-core 250.69 SSD, 8gbUM that I have currently. I'll just buy a TB Lacie SSD external drive.
Man. You are highly overthinking this. As long as you are not doing epic trailer music with 200 instrument tracks and thousands of automation points - a macbook with 8 or 16gb is enough. I am doing orchestral music on my 8gb macbook - this macbook is from 2015. And I rarely use more than 20 insttrument tracks and through Kontakt optimization everything works fine. So if my old macbook is handling this stuff then one of the newer generations will handle your music easily.
Why is that important? For me it is more crucial to know in which situations you will run out of RAM so the computer starts to use SWAP memory from the SSD, which will slow down the performance and also shorten the lifespan of the SSD.
@@thomashartmann5037 "which will slow down the performance and shorten the lifespan of the SSD." This is a fallacy. Swap initially uses the MLC (dRAM) part of the SSD, which totals 2 modules X 2GB (512GB models). So an 8GB machine will have effectively 12GB of superfast swap. Add in compression and you are nearer 14GB usable before you need to touch the SSD flash memory. Anyone buying an 8GB machine and using more than 14GB of RAM have only themselves to blame as clearly they should have used common sense and bought the 16GB version.
@@andyH_England Thanks for your reply. Good info about the ins and out with SWAP files. My info is based on what other says in the matter, but I’m sure you are correct. Still you haven’t answered my question about why a more technical description would be beneficial, other than to verify if he really knows what he talks about. When it comes to how much memory you need, it all depends on what usage situation you have. Unfortunately most UA-camrs compares render and export times in video production, which could be important for some people. In our case working in Marketing with MS Office and Google Workspace files and doing some lighter video edits in Camtasia, CapCut, CreateStudio, it’s more important to avoid stutter and frozen documents.
I could only get 36gb RAM on my max pro because that’s the most Amazon had. So far it seems good enough though. I just wanted something that’d last at least 5 years, and hopefully longer.
As someone who has just bought a 16 inch MacBook Pro I have been using windows all my life. I have never had it crash or had any of the problems people in the comments are saying. I bet most people bought a $350 Windows laptop and hated it then tried a Apple laptop for $1500 and comparing the 2 experiences. Considering 90% of businesses use windows you would expect the world economy to collapse if it was as bad as you are all saying. Can’t even use MacOS out of the box without it driving me crazy (rectangle app a must). The quicker you stop blindly following apple the harder they will have to work to sell you products and everyone wins. Believe me if everyone boycotted the MacBook for a year the next MacBook you will see would be the greatest thing ever made.
Oh man, just shut up ... Most Mac users for pro tasks used Windows PCs in the past, and a minimum of them want to dive into this shit again. Stop posting comments after slight use.
I suspect this a non-issue for anybody using the 18 GB and up configurations. They are using three 6 GB modules instead of two 8 GB modules. So interleaving between three modules compared to two should lessen, if not eliminate any issue caused by the reduction in bandwidth.
1:28 That's what I was thinking too. But for those who just use it for watching videos or doing note taking, this is a decent price for MacBook users, if u want to game on it, I don't think it may handle well with intensive graphics
Where in the world is is $200 more to go from 16GB to 24GB? In Canada, 16GB is $2599, 24GB isn’t even listed as an option and 36GB is $4349. Refurbished 16GB is $2199.. again no 24GB offered and 32 is $3100
Apple made it in a way where you say “might as well upgrade” M3 Pro with 1 TB of storage is the same price as the base 16 inch, which you can upgrade the SSD for just $100 more…
I bought the m3 pro with 12 cores cpu/18 gpu and it looks great. The only problem is that I often as a student have a lot of tabs with homework opened on safari to the point where even with 18GB of unified memory my safari just straight up stops responding and I have to quit, thus losing all my unsafe work. This happened twice in one week already and once I captured it on the video and it crashed just safari when I was browsing threw my gmail, but the second time the photoshop was not responding when I was working on at the time (thank god for autosave). I could still tab in and out, so it was not a crash, but I usually have a lot more demand when it comes to work on my main windows pc. Anyway, I have now Activity monitor in the background and I found out that when memory pressure reaches yellow, it just straight up crashes safari and I lose all the tabs. Is that normal? How much unified memory or which model should I get (considering I want to start studying computer science/engineering next year? (I can still return the Mac for a refund, it has been less than 2 weeks and I am returning it today.)
I got my wife an 8gb M2 Macbook Pro. She only uses her Macbook as an internet machine, to write papers for her doctorate classes,and prepare work for the classes that she teaches in high school. Zoom also. It's still considered light use. Her Macbook does use file swap. It's bullshit that 8GB is enough RAM. Total bullshit.
I have a macbook air m2 with 8 gb of ram. I don’t have big problem with right now but I saw that it uses constantly 2 or 3 gb of swap memory and as I saw that use a lot of swap memory can damage the ssd, I am planning to upgrade it. Probably I am going with Macbook Pro M3 Pro with 18 gb of ram that is on sale for $1499. Than I won’t need to worry with it for a long time
@@Fernando_1903 Look into an M1 Max or M2 Max with 32GB RAM. Dont get sucked in thinking a newer year is a better machine. Just make sure to spend your money wisely. It sounds like a good deal but how often do you want to have to upgrade your stuff? The year of the M chip isn’t as important as the specs. I just got a M1 Max 64GB with 32 GPU cores so I’m set.
@@switchunboxing but the problem is the price of that machine. One MBP M3 Pro for $1499 sounds like the best deal, as I am going in a trip to US this September I can’t wait for the M4 version to launch. And also MBP M3 Pro is much more rugged and strong than my base MBA M2
Yes not the same, the M2 would be unified, the Intel memory is separate. So the communication with unified memory is much faster, as the video explains. But how much faster, thats not that clear. Benchmarking could tell you more.
@@andonivr it's all going to be a guess, but I ended up going with M3 Pro 36GB, and I previously had a 2018 intel based 16GB. Which was just starting to not be enough memory
@@andonivr it's all going to be a guess, but I ended up going with M3 Pro 36GB, and I previously had a 2018 intel based 16GB. Which was just starting to not be enough memory
Right now, on my 2019 i9 iMac with 40 GB of RAM is using 23 GB of RAM with no special productivity apps open. Interestingly, apps like Mail seem to take up more memory as time goes on until I close down the app and open it up again. It seems like RAM is not properly being deallocated in some apps. Upon reboot, somewhere between 7 to 12 GB of RAM will be in use but it grows from there. It seems that someone that uses the machine for pro like activities really want to upgrade the RAM. Folks who work in ML and data science seem to want at least 64 GB of RAM.
MacOS likes to keep everything in ram, even after you close a program, just in case you decide to reopen it. It’s difficult to judge whether increasing memory usage over time is a result of memory leakage or by design. The OS knows what it’s doing but users don’t necessarily know or understand how it allocates and deallocates memory. The most important takeaway from this video is that the more ram you have, the less swapping to the SSD will be necessary. This is extremely important for longevity since the SSD is not replaceable so more ram means less wear and tear on the SSD. Great video Arthur!
I upgraded my old 2013 trash can MacPro to 128 gigs of RAM. Runs like a champ now despite it being over a decade old and the memory only being DDR3 at 1066Mhz. Still faster than a swap file on an HDD or SSD. It originally shipped with 12 which was already a joke back in 2013. Apple's pricing strategy is nothing short of extortion. Let's be honest here. The whole point of it is to push consumers to opt for a higher end machine which costs more.
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So many UA-camrs forget how RAM intensive running a VM is. I have an M2 Max 16” with 32 GB of RAM because I’m using Parallels for certain programs. Not to mention a Docker container to run SQL Server Management Studio. Yes, 18 GB is a good baseline, but it’s not just video editing and music production that uses RAM.
As a creative, I'm looking for stable diffusion ML image generation and LLM text models, as well as Blender 4 for occasional 3d renderings. NONE of these UA-camrs even mention mention these. These M3s seem made for these, and also real developer work... not simply video editing. I think the M3s have proven these "reviews" need real experts, not just random people hitting "run" for random benchmarks.
I want to run 3 parallels VM at the same time, do you know if this would work fine on an M3 Max with 36gb ram?
@@rpaulseymourjust curious, are you able to do intense ML LLM training without nvidia GPUs and CUDA?
How much faster does your battery drain when running the VM? Plan on buying an M3 MBP 16" and running in coherence Windows Excel (I work in finance but love the Mac ecosystem), but was told by some techies that I'm buying a Maclaren and driving it in a school zone.
I was also told that by simply running the VM, my battery will get crushed. However, I figured if I got the 32GB Ram option, I would be fine.
@@efrenamandy2594 I usually run a single VM in parallels, so I can’t say for sure if 36GB of unified memory would be enough for running 3 concurrently in Parallels. My guess would be probably not. I would go with at least 64GB of unified memory for that.
Just got an m3 pro w/ 18gb and 1tb and it is great!. I hardly ever go past 14 gigs even while multitasking with lightroom and premier, safari tabs with youtube and spotify. The only time I encounter yellow memory pressure is when working with 4k footage in after effects, but I haven’t seen any swap so far.
max or pro chip?
I just bought this same - with the pro chip (assuming that is what yours is...I just need my laptop to do basic stuff, mail, web lookup, excel sheets, you tube and I'd like to send and receive videos to/from customers (I own a horse/sheep farm). I'm hoping I bought enough power.
I constantly have 200+ tabs open in chrome while running Premiere Pro and After Effects and I only have the 16gb model, I have not had many problems in 4 years…
It should be OK for the next 2-3 years, but demands will increase with new OS and app releases...
Hi there! I'm planning to get an m3 pro and your app load sounds similar to what I'm planning on doing. How's it holding up a few months later, if you don't mind me asking?
8GB is a joke in 2023. I don't know why Apple would even try that with a system called the Macbook Pro.
They should of at least given us 10gb ram and give on upgrade option to 16gb of ram
This is a poor argument as Apple still offers 16GB+ in the MB Pro 14. So your problem is not the lack of RAM, it is that you have to pay £200 more to upgrade to it. Apple says that their 8GB model sell over 60% of total sales of those respective models. Why? Because most people using it have no issues with 8GB.
The upgrade fee is another question, nothing to do with whether 8GB is enough, and this misunderstanding leads to an unfair critique. Especially when you factor in that every other ultrabook in Windows-land also starts at 8GB; it becomes more about trolling and flexing on Apple rather than sensible debate.
cuz apple so gay
@@andyH_EnglandI mean personally I don’t really care about base model of any product bc I look always buy the mid tier model for this example MacBook Pro m3 pro and I’ll pay the extra however much it is cuz I’m going to use it for a long time, also the people don’t understand is that the m3 MacBook Pro is for people that need something more the a MBA and this product is more directed at college student and university not for main stream content creators, don’t get me wrong m3 MacBook Pro can still edit on premiere pro but simple editing not 8k so I don’t really have a problems and people don’t realise Apple is a company to make money
@@Emir_helvacioglu yes, I agree with your sentiments.
I just ordered the M3 Pro with 18 cores and 36 gigs of RAM. I feel it's the sweet spot for performance to price value.
Why you need all that? Making Video games or something?😅
@@Tavs.fāters Lightroom! I have the M3 Pro with 18gb of ram and I'm constantly using "Swap" around 3 - 4gb. I'm gonna return it and get the 36gb model.
@@Tavs.fāterswhy always negative about it??
@@Obikenobi93HD Not negative, just seams like huge waist of money. But maybe it is necessary for him, who knows.
Isn’t it only upto to 16 cores only?
I personally recently bought a used base model air m1. I'm doing some 1080p video editing, and simple photoshop and figma stuff, and it's doing fine. But it's also because I have a gaming pc I can rely on in case there's really something out of the ordinary I have to do. Picking an 8GB model was totally a conscious decision, and I know that in case I need to upgrade, I could just give it to my parents who only do browsing and mailing exclusively, or maybe some Netflix.
For the sake of accuracy, swapping doesn't actually mean that some of the SSD is used as RAM. It means that data that isn't immediately needed gets copied onto the SSD, then it becomes temporarily inaccessible. When it's needed again, the current content of the RAM is saved onto the SSD and the required data gets copied back from the SSD to the RAM, hence the name "swap".
So through an everyday analogy, imagine that you have 5 cars. You need all of them, but only one fits in your garage. Therefore, the other 4 you store 2 blocks away in a warehouse. Every time you need a different car, you need to drive your current car to the warehouse, swap it to another one, then drive away. When you need your other-other car, again, you need to drive to the warehouse and replace your cars. You can potentially use all of them, but it takes time to get access to one that's not currently with you.
I'm oversimplifying it a bit, but you get the idea. Once your machine starts swapping, your performance goes downhill. The reason is that data in the RAM can be accessed within a few nanoseconds while data stored on the SSD can only be accessed in the range of a few microseconds, which is 1000x slower.
Came from a windows Asus gaming computer but never gamed, as I use it to produce EDM on FL studio. Got the m3 pro 18 gb with 12 core cpu and my GOD this thing is a beast. Everything runs so smooth with all the multiple plug ins and the heavy cpu orchestral sounds. Added benefit it the battery life/ quietness I can produce anywhere I go.
Exactly the model and task I needed to know about, thank you
I’m thinking about buying an m3 pro 36gb ram for producing on fl studio and djing, you think I should stick to 18gb ram instead and save me those $400?
64gb is good enough for me with two 5k displays vRam shared, another reason is that 64gb has more memory bandwidth than 48gb or 95gb variants.
Great video. Most people can stop watching at around 6:30 as anyone who is even looking at more than 16/18gb of RAM knows it and doesn't really need to watch this. But, fun to watch none the less.
All geez. Yeah, I ended up with a Mac Studio with 32gb RAM which is way over board for my use, but it was the same price than a MacBook Pro with double the RAM which will do me for a very very long time. Buy it nice or buy it twice. @@TheLoneCamper
Working since 2021 on my M1 mac book air with just 8GB and I couldn't be happier, I don't do too much power intensive stuff, except trading but what I can assure you that if you use your notebook lightly, 8GB is more then enough. In case you do power hungry stuff, I cannot imagine you need more then 16GB and an upgrade to 32GB is probably a waste of money. It really depends on your work and I think its an ego problem if you really have to upgrade the RAM etc and throw your money out of the window. 400USD for 18GB of Ram is insane! The new Macs starting from M1 are amazing machines! For disk space, I would rather buy external drives and cloud bases solutions and if locally needed and speed is the priority, build a PC.
5:37 M3 pro 18gb ram isn't the same price as M3 24gb ram? It's $600 AUD more?
Just ordered the M3 Max 128gb 16”. I’m upgrading from a 2013, which was finally starting to show its age. That’s how long I make these last, which is why I maxed it out.
I have a M1 Pro with 16gb. From a restart it is using about 9gb before I open any apps. I can hit 16gb with just some tabs open in Safari open. I have run out of ram a few times trying to create a doc in Canva. No way I would do less than 48gb when I upgrade.
I have a macbook pro M2 with 24GB & 1TB HDD running FCPX,Motion Pro and Unreal Engine 5 without a hiccup. Love it! Pawn shop find for $700
I’m thinking of either getting the M3 Pro 16” with 36gb, I want it for some light 4k video editing and photoshop, is 36gb an overkill? Should I just got with the 18gb with 512gb storage? Thanks!!
((😁)) Same here asking the same question! Waiting for a reply to this..
@@JonSands Probably the 16inch M3 Pro Max 36GB with 1TB would be preferable
I have The M3 Pro 36GB with 512. It is perfect for what you want. I always go small storage, as such I upload to my own NAS Storage. I have 30tb of Storage, and will max out with 3 more SSDs for a total of 60tb.
128GB is the way to go if you are a graphic designer/3d modeler who is working in blender3d, photoshop, illustrator + windows in VM (Parallels) to run something like 3dsmax at the same time. I know because I'm one of those people. Multiple projects opened daily. Also 2x 4K monitors help a lot in this workflow but require additional resources. So yeah, if you can afford it and need it go for as much RAM as you can. You won't be able to upgrade later so choose wisely.
I wish I could ask him if he would recommend
-16GB 1 TB ssd M3 8CPU 10GPU or
-18GB 512ssd M3 Pro 11cpu 14 gpu
My old MacBook from 2012 just does the spinning color wheel all the time.. I want to avoid that.. it says 8GB Ram ddr3.. not sure if it sucks because it’s old or because the storage is almost full or what..
I just bought a 14inch M3 Pro 12C/18C GPU, 18GB Ram, 1TB. Thinking about returning it for the exact spec except opting for the 36GB Ram. Can’t decide.
What did you decide on
@Justin-ww8xk I had the same dillema. My old Intel one had 16GB, and Phpstorm always complained, and I was deciding between M3 Pro base 18GB and 36GB, but I think M3 Pro 36GB with 1TB is the right choice, even with the unified memory being faster already, its more future proof. And you never know what your needs will be in the future. Software Dev using VM's.
Why do you think you need 36? Costs go up so dramatically that if you are a hobbyist, an amateur, not a professional, and if you aren't doing ram-intensive work 4 hours a day, you may never use what you are buying. I would definitely consult with as many people as possible about exactly what you are doing with the computer, and for how long each day, to clarify your needs. Again, these computers are incredibly expensive. Do you know how many $3000 plus macbooks go on sale every day that are fairly new?! People buy these expensive products then sell them because they didn't know what they needed.
What about the lifespan of the Macbook? I mean, my Macs have lasted 6-7 years, then they get too slow... Does more ram (lets say the max 128 ram) will that make my Mac last longer?
I’m a graphics designer and using photoshop illustrator indesign, lightroom and general productivity. Photoshop can use 16gbs easily in my experience. I smash 64gb on the daily and get ram low errors through istat menu all the time. So ye “I can’t think of anyone” who could use 96, I could saturate that with my workflows. If you’re a pro using your machine everyday you don’t shut programmes down because it takes time to get back to where you were. I don’t think I’m in the 5% but ram is ram and the more you have the more the system will use. Kind of sick of hearing this advice from apparent people who “know” what others need.
Finally someone speaking pure truth! Same here man
I spoke to Apple techs, two of them, since I'm going to be doing basic video editing as I learn to shoot documentaries (a hobby not a job) and not on a full time basis. Both of them indicated that 16g would be sufficient. But your comment makes me wonder. What's frustrating is that the answer to each of our individual needs is an actual consult with someone who is doing similar work.
I hope I get a response before this day gets started. I bought the 14inch MacBookPro M3Max with the following specs! 14 Core CPU, 30 Core GPU, 36GB of unified memory. I believe = max 300GB/‘s memory bandwidth. My question is this.,. I will ONLY use this laptop for editing 1080p and some 4k files (drone footage) maybe some 4k DSLR footage as well with a lot of 3rd party plug in’s for Final Cut Pro X like Titles, Generators, Effects and transitioning etc… should I return this product and upgrade to 64 GB of unified memory with 16 core CPU and 40core GPU? Which by the way would = Max 400GB/s memory bandwidth! OH and does 14” vs 16” make a difference with the same exact specs? Thank you in advance.
what did you do ?
@@daanielllllllllll I went ahead and bought a Mac Studio Ultra
@@TheMezaFamily did you find the m3 max to be insufficient ?
I use heavy editing programs and 3d as well as DAWs
I was thinking of getting the M3 you mentioned but I feel it won’t be enough
So I’m maxing it to 96 gb
I need a laptop as I move a lot and Im based on the apple ecosystem so getting a windows is not an option let alone building a PC
What would you advise.
honestly I just kept the MacBook Pro as well... Since I take trips and sometimes I like to edit on the go as well. But it seems pretty slow compared to the Mac Studio Ultra... I mean, the desk top for some reason always seem faster. I threw everything I will possible I would do in an edit to test it, and it passed with no issues. As for the MacBook Pro I tried to do the same and it starts to get really noisy and hot. it still gets the job done BUT not as fast as the Mac Studio. So I'll just use the MacBook Pro for short edits and not too many transition etc.
@@daanielllllllllll
Love those shout outs 😂 Great video explaining RAM needs.
Your channel is great, you describe things I can understand.
I use Mainstage and Ableton at the same time to run virtual instruments in live music performance and running tracks at the same time in which I'd run many instances of very heavy sample based instruments in Mainstage to the point where I use to use up my 16 gigabytes of ram years ago so fast that it'd crash often, I upgraded to the i9 with 6 cores of 32gb of ram, after around 5 years I've started using up all 32 gigs and often do have issues with CPU overloads with audio dropouts using up pretty much all the memory, therefore, in the search for an upgrade I come to be torn between the m3 max with 14 cores and 96 gb of ram or 16 cores with either 64gb of ram or 128 because of my exponential usage of RAM with mixing and mastering projects with over 100 tracks per session of recorded tracks of up to 30 gb of length between each track, with a lot of virtual instruments, and video editing, and occasional streaming. Any thoughts or comments on my situation?
intel is trash in 2024 And no, it’s not all about the RAM, the processor is important too. I recommend going for 64GB, and believe me, it will work well. I also use Ableton and several Kontakt libraries, and I have no problems with only 18GB of RAM in my M3 Pro. If you have the money, the more RAM the better; you’ll have a capable machine that will last a long time.
Just bought a new MBP 18GB 512GB version and yesterday faced a beachball when doing basic tasks, web browsing, and file searching in spotlight, while transferring music to a flash drive. I also noticed the RAM memory was not under to much load or pressure buy doing these tasks took up almost 13 gb of ram. I updated the software to the latest version, hoping this gets resolved but today an basic App glitched staying frozen on the screen. I have not even loaded this thing up yet or pushed it. I would like to use this for video editing but now I feel like this machine is not enough. M3 Pro chip and new architecture seem to be needing more RAM to run basics, is that true?
Cool video! I’m still researching which Mac I want, what chip, and RAM needed.
Did you decide?
Since the M4 chip is out now, the M4 MacBook Pro computers can’t be far behind, most likely October/November, just in time for me to get one for Christmas or just before!
@@drkmagneto i have waited since m 1 so have to bite the bullet
@@Doors_of_janua Theoretically, 5 maybe 6 months from now, give or take a few weeks, the M4 will be out. Sure, you can trade the M3 in on an M4, but why bother? Go for the gold, I say!
Great video👍 I'm thinking to buy m3 pro 18gb RAM, do you guys think it should be suitable for Topaz AI work on videos up to 1 minute long? I see recommended RAM is 32gb, currently using macbook m2 air with 8gb and the rendering time is too long
My 16gb M1 Mac mini can even dig into swap just because I forget I have to many excel sheets and safari tabs. I couldn’t imagine 8gbs. Looking forward to upgrading to the M3 pro with 18gb
I am in medical school now, but when I was a data Engineer/Scientist for the US Gov making huge ML/AI models, I worked with streaming data (so over 200GB of changing data, sometimes TB) and easily could have used 128 GB of ram.... I had 64 GB of ram, and I had to run some programs while I was sleeping so they could be done in a reasonable time. To give you a real life use case. When presenting my work to stakeholders with live demos, we usually had to use a subset of the data. but due to the nature of the work and how important it was to be 100% accurate, when really using it, we had to use all of the data.
Damn, I'm a student graduating soon. Would you recommend a laptop for me on working ML models? I don't mind something expensive
Why did you go into medical school from being a data scientist? I'm doing the exact opposite, i'm going from biomedical science into data science. At the moment my laptop specs is M2 max, 12 core CPU, 30 core GPU, 1TB SSD and 64GB RAM. Is this good enough for ML/AI modelling?
Well with jobs like that you can afford to buy a computer that needs that much. For most people your situation isnt the case!
what if i open neuroimiging files and each one is 5 gb and i view it with a special viewer in 3d , what do you recommend?
and i might open multiple files together
I use Adobe Photoshop and technically the most advanced interaction I’ll have with it is Perspective warping and some general edits to make my work cleaner and crisper.
I also intend to use After Effects for some relatively basic video work; multi-slide complications featuring panning video clips, some light transitional effects, nothing huge.
While I intend to get the M3 Max chip, should I get 36GB (which I think will future proof me for what I do) or spend the $$$ and get 48GB???
Any advice would be appreciated. I haven’t bought a MacBook Pro since I was gifted one in 2009!!
I think 36gb ram is enough ..
This was very helpful thank you. I'm debating on upgrading from an 18 gig m3 pro to 36gigs. I personally don't think I'll need it but my friends say I should consider it since I don't plan on replacing this laptop unless it dies or becomes unsupported like my current iMac.
If budget is not a problem, then always go one step up than what you think you would need today. I have 32 GB (I thought it will be enough at the time of purchase) and just a few months later I actually fill it up fairly quickly when multitasking. I wish I had gone with 64 GB. RAM is like a glass bottle. You will find yourself filling it up until as much as it can contain.
@@TheSmkfts Thanks for tip! I did end up with the 36 gig. I agree I feel like I'll end up needing it. My work macbook pro has 16 gigs and there have been a few times where it wasn't enough.
@@joe62845how is it holding up right now? on the verge of getting a m3 pro with 1 tb and 36 gb of ram i do heavy work
for 400 dollars i could get the mad but its too much and i need it urgently
I'm also living the same dilemma: 18gb x 36gb 😭
My current job is pretty much web browsing and with my zephyrus g14 2022 model (I know, Windows) 60-80% of my 16gb are normally used.
In a very near future I'll start coding and - with a macbook in mind - my main fear is to run out of ram in a non upgradeable device.
@@oakacc952 Go with 36GB for sure. You won’t regret it.
I use always around 50 GB Ram as I run a virtual Windows 11 machine and a virtual Linux Machine on my MacBook. For this I have the Max with 128 GB Ram, so it never swaps.
It would be nice to know what you actually use your Mac for and in which situations the available amount of RAM is critical.
Dang! 128GB! And I was deciding between 18GB and 36GB. haha.
@@thomashartmann5037 Running Large Language Models locally, mobile development (with iOS and Android simulator/emulator), Virtual Machines, compiling large software development projects, etc, etc.
Do you know how you can clear swap without turning off your MacBook? On Linux it was swapoff -a ; swapon -a
8:51 What you smokin’?? Apple doesn’t give any free RAM upgrade. $300 is for the M3 Max upgrade to 16 cpu/40 gpu alone. However, that selection forcibly upgrades RAM to 48 gb, but this is not free either. It adds another $200 RAM fee to the total price. In effect, $500 more for the 16 cpu/40 gpu model.
With a few Chrome tabs, Messages, Mail, and Spotify bumping leads to my base M3 Max to use over 22gb according to Activity Monitor. Happy I went with at least 36gb although the Max chip is overkill for me, I bought refurbished and saved some money.
I currently have the 2018 MacBook Pro with 8gb of memory. Trying to figure out what’s the best to get. I use illustrator, photoshop, premiere pro and after effect for motion graphics. I also play the fpv simulator to practice flying fpv drone. Most of the time I have either illustrator and after effect open or premiere pro also. What would be the best option for me?
I have an M2 Pro w 32GB of RAM. I’ve run Parallels, Topaz, etc and so far barely topped 50% usage.
32 not 36
Thanks for personifying the entire Apple product marketing ladder.
Which MacBook is more performant for video editing: MacBook Pro 13” M2, CPU 8-core, GPU 10-core, but with 24 GB unified memory, or MacBook Pro 14” M3 Pro, CPU 12-core, GPU 18-core, and only 18 GB unified memory? Thank you in advance!
For folks running LLMs, VMs, along with heavy video and 3D work...it feels like 64 GB is the minimum, which unfortunately is *only* available on the top spec M3 Max chip.
I wish Apple gave us the Max-30c with 64 GB as an option. The 96 GB is way too expensive of an upgrade.
I’m sorry that advice is waaaay too vague. Basically “buy lots of RAM on your M3 MacBook…if you think you need it”…Seriously? I think you guys need to do some more homework (benchmarking) before you release a video claiming to have the answers.
you're right. This video is useless.
Benchmarking doesnt test video encoding, dunning kruger spotted
Plus, he forgot to talk and show the most important issue we all have when it comes to ram: million browser tabs open..
Will 128gb Ram be enough for music production? I only use synthesizer. I just ordered a maxed out macbook. I think the better the macbook the better the music.
I think it's overkill, but if it's fun, then go for it
im confused my mac has 18 gigs of ram and 18 cores and 1TB its a M3 why does everyone else have 16...
More than likely someone chose the base $1600 8gb MacBook Pro and opted for the 16gb configuration for $200 on Apples website.
Hello,
I would like to use Parallel desktop on mac. How many GB ram do you advise in the MBP-M3 PRO. I would like to buy MBP next year, and i dont know how many GB rams to buy.
THX a lot!
I have the 12 CPU/18 GPU/18 GB M3 Pro 14, and it has no problems running a standard Windows 11 ARM configuration in Parallels, which is 4 CPU cores and 6 GB of RAM with up to 3 GB for graphics. If you need anything more or are running multiple VM instances, then you should upgrade the RAM.
@@saturnotakuso if i make ios development what will u recommend for me
Macbook pro m3 24 gb ram or m3 pro 18 rab?
In memory databases use a ton of RAM. Far more than what's available on the Mac. A small deployment would use 768GB RAM, but it can go MUCH higher.
What's an in-memory database used for? Real-time analytics mostly.
What is your opinion on a MBP M3 Chip 8-ccpu 10-cGPU and 24 GB of unified memory to run a VM for just basic windows excel ect? Thank you for your response 🎉
I got a 36G. 18G is always in use. then it goes up to 30G.
I just crashed my BRAND NEW Mac Book Pro M3 MAX with 36 gigs for memory trying to edit 4K video. TWICE. It "ran out of memory" and froze up. I was using latest Premiere Pro software... that might be why it crashed. Either Adobe makes SHITE software or the Mac needs hella more memory. I'm about to take it back but have no idea what to do next.
Now way 😮😮😮
I have an M3 Pro MacBook Pro with 18GB of ram and 1TB of storage. It’s fantastic, and I don’t see myself needing more than 18GB for the foreseeable future. If I need to get a new MacBook 4 years from now, then so be it.
So for complex 3d modeling and some rendering related. It’s better an m3 max 14/30 96ram or the m3 max 16/40 64ram? (around 5k budget)
If you have an external monitor and don’t need it on the go, I would spring for the 14 inch with 96 gigs of ram but if you do need it on the go most of the time and you think you’ll be unhappy with 14 inches then go for the 16 inch but I’d ask myself what I want more, 2 more inches of screen or 32 extra gigs of ram? Personally I’d say go for the 14 inch and get a 2k or 4k external monitor. If you’re dropping 5 grand on (what I assume is) your main workstation, an extra 500 is nothing.
I have the 16” MBP with base M3 Max and 36GB RAM. I’m a software engineer and sometimes need the RAM for pretty demanding workflows but 48GB is overkill for me. I occasionally make some music on logic, play some very light games, and use light apps like inDesign as well. Appreciate the MBP speakers but I would trade them for a lower price as I use IEMs or AirPods Max when I need to and consume content on iPad, PS5, or TV. If you are not using pro apps or developing software, 16-24 gigs of RAM is enough.
Would 18gb ram be enough for music recording and light video editing?
for me, davinci resolve takes like 8gb worth of my 8 gigs unified. idk if this helps or not
I'm using Aftereffects (mainly making 2D motion graphics) and considering studying C4D. What would you guys recommend?
MacPro14" M3 pro 18GB vs MacPro14" M3 pro 36GB
Get 32gb, I am doing after effects with 16gb of ram M2 pro, it works really well, but when it comes to some advanced projects and 4k video editing in premiere pro, it is really laggy sometimes. So I would recommend anyone 32gb of ram for advanced video editing.
@@PunŽivotahey i will also go with 32gb ram mackbook pro but with m4 will that be good for video editing 4k ill use premium pro after effects davinchi resolve photoshop ?
@@Dream99972 im currently using M3 Max 48gb ram, im ussing after effects and premiere pro, premiere pro is working really well, but even with 48gb of ram in AE I have encountered situations where my computer used 60-65gb of ram (swap) so from my current experience for advanced projects in AE I would recommend at least 48gb of ram with a sweet spot to never get into trouble at 64gb of ram. Of course, it all depends on the level you are editing at, but I would always in the future take at least 64gb of ram so I never get in trouble with missing ram. For 95% of editors out there 32gb of ram on a Mac will do the work. So If you want to get future proof lap top and you in the future want your editing on a higher level I would recommend going with 64gb or at least 48gb. For me update from 48 to 64 was only $200 but I didnt get it because there was a 15 day waiting period for the upgraded version and I needed to leave the USA in the next 5-10 days so I had to buy it ASAP, I hope those 5 days will not cost me some trouble in the future 🙂
I buy a high-end Apple laptop once per decade initially as a desktop replacement (which is what Apple silicon has given us in these MacBook Pros), then mid cycle (at the 5 year mark) a newer technology desktop will enter into the equation. Rinse and repeat, or at least that's how it's been for the past 3 decades, more or less on this end. Just got an Apple refurbished store (plus military discount) for a 14" M2 Max with the GPU bump, 64GB and 4TB. Saved $1500 just through the two discount mechanisms. Talk to you again in 2033.
How much did you pay then?
@@yuri.moiseyev $3590 plus tax
I use my laptop for daily day to day task and my 8gb ram mac is always breathing and slow
0:50 Wrong, any modern (last 6 or so years) AMD or Intel processor that has an integrated GPU (and is using it) has unified memory. The memory is not part of the same chip on Apple silicon, it is just LPDDR4X or LPDDR5 on the SoC's substrate and it is not even close to the "fastest it could ever be". AMD and Intel desktop CPUs have much lower memory latency (i.e my 5700X with DDR4 3433MTs ram has 86 nanoseconds of memory latency vs over 100 nanoseconds for the M1) and PC GPUs have much higher bandwidths ( 1 TB per a second on some cards that use HBM2 memory)
Hey good day I just wanted to know if the M3 8RAM will work well with Serato Pro with stems features for DJs?
what about after effects on 4k projects with a bunch of effects 36gb ram is enough?
nice one.. thx bro
Learning to animate just want do it as a freelance gig .. what do I get ?
I have maxed out over 64GB of ram on my PC before. just once. i was 3d modelling on solidworks. it was not a fun time always on the fear of the system crashing loosing my work.
Hi guys, i have an Imac 27, i9 10c. 128ram at 2111mhz, ssd1tb and i wish switch dor mobility, can someone tell me what macbookk shoud be similar with thats specs ?
The bullshit is you have one chance to make this decision, if you want this laptop to last 5 to 7 years get as much RAM as you can afford.
You need at least 128gb, because of Chrome. Wish they made a 1TB ram option soon.
Oddly enough my new MacBook Air 3 days old. Is consuming 14gb of ram and has 1gb of swap used just opening safari tabs. No more than 20 tabs. I find it interesting they will use everything possible. But it’s very snappy and I love it. Thought about a 32gb m1 or m2 pro instead but think I’m gonna rock with my 15in m3 air.
I love how you explained RAM😊
im a photographer who has a 5 year year old pc. i just ordered the macbook pro m3 max 40 core 48gb
Thank you doing this video
Who is the guy keeping you in check? OMGosh hilarious.
I have to keep stopping to listen over because you get excited and talk quicker and quicker hee hee
You remind me of one of those wind up torches, the more, you wind it, the higher, the brightness, but in your case, it’s talking about Apple MacBook Pro ❤
RAM is a problem, as shared Memory support is still weak. Meaning, if you got 18 GB, you 9 for CPU and 9 for GPU. Which is extremely low. Also the memory is super expensive. Same for SSD. Apple is doing it wrong, when selling Pro Laptops, that suddenly run out of memory because you didn’t wanted to pay the additional 400 for a RAM that would have cost a fraction of it. Apple driving us into a huge expensive experiment.
I own a 1st gen 2020 M1 MacBook pro 13" non "pro chip" as they weren't available at the time. One critical point most reviewers miss is the fact anything non pro only supports one external display.
M3 (non-pro) now supports 2 displays. In the MacBook Air unfortunately it’s only with the lid closed but it does work.
Can i edit 4k video in davinci resolve, right now using m1 air and it struggles alot in 4k editing
so far for what i do 16 gigs has been fine but it is getting boarder line soon and yup no upgrades for my M1 ill need a new system by 2025 for sure unless apple starts using less ram for the OS and that wont happen so up new computer in 2025 for sure..
Should I get 48 or 64? Im a video editer, business owner, and a daytrader. I don't know if I should get 64gb of ram because I feel like that's too much, but I dont wanna regret it later down the line, and i really dont wanna upgrade either. This is for the m3 max 16 core, btw.
Thanks for you input. I will aim for 18gigs but if there’s a better deal refurbished for 36 gigs I will aim for that
I am a graphic/web designer, I currently have a MacBook Pro M1 Pro
with 10 (8 performance and 2 efficiency) cores, 16 GB RAM and 1TB storage.
I'm searching to upgrade to an M3pro, which one is better:
Apple M3 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
36GB unified memory
512GB SSD storage
or
Apple M3 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
18GB unified memory with an upgrade to
1TB SSD storage?
Why do u want to upgrade? Is 16g not enough?
Tha ram is not "part of the same chip" it's just the same SoC. It in and of itself is not a chip, it's a a miniaturised PCB with places the RAM physically close to the CPU. When we say "chip" in electronics, we generally mean the same package and micrometre or smaller distances to different silicon dyes within the package. It would technically be possible to swap memory out on one of those SoC's per se, but rather difficult.
You can also very easily fill that amount of ram up as a developer or engineer in many run of the mill situations.
I have the MacBook 2023 M3 chip 16GB of Ram 8 core CPU and 10 core GPU and I'm honestly impressed (Coming from a MacBook Air 2020 intel model)
is the m3 max with 36gigs enough for Videoediting?
I believe so. A video editing program that I recently applied to says at least 18gb minimum. Once again, 18gb on the light side. Probably 36gb for extensive work.
Which MacBook Pro is recommended to make videos like this?
Did not upgrade I am still using M2 Max on my studio and MacBook Pro I am an architect and a game developer on my down time so all my Mac come with 64 gb ram I think if you are buying a Mac you have money so might as well just pay for the ram
I’m getting ready to make the leap from a 13-inch 2019 Quad Core Intel i5 MacBook with 8GB UM and 250.69 SSD.
I’m heavily leaning toward the M3 MacBook Pro, with 36GB UM, and 500GB SSD for Music Production in Logic Pro.
My only issue is deciding on whether or not to just get the 10-Core CPU as opposed to paying an extra $200 for the 12-Core. Would 1-core more really be worth it?
Either way I imagine I’m gonna notice an extreme difference from what I’m used to coming from an Intel Mac.
I also noticed some people are saying that the M3 is not worth the upgrade from M1 and M2 and that the memory bandwidth has been nerfed and performs a tiny bit slower than the M2 and M1.
UPDATE: I was convinced into changing my mind about getting the M3.
Two people, a B&H agent and one other person both advised me to not get the M3 unless I get the m3 max, which I’m not gonna do. Instead I’ve decided on going for the 12-Core M2 Pro with 32GB UM and 500GB SSD.
The other person said:
“Do not get the M3 for Logic unless you go M3 Max. Logic does not use Efficiency cores. So if you get the 11 core M3 Pro, that's only 5 Performance cores compared to 8 Performance cores on the 10 core M1 Pro and 12 core M2 Pro.
The M3 Pro, even the base 11 core variant, is an upgrade in most ways, but not when it comes to Logic. I know this because I just dealt with it for Ableton, which similarly does not use E cores. I returned my 14" M3 Pro 11 core 18/512 for a refurb 14" M1 Pro 10 core 16/1tb. I get better Ableton performance, and have an extra $600 in my pocket.
Now that I've been using the M1 Pro for a few days, I will say that the M3 Pro has it easily beat for battery life. An expected result of the trading P cores for more E cores. I definitely miss the battery life and how cool it ran. But it wasn't worth it to me paying significantly more money for worse performance in Ableton. But for anyone reading this, if your usage is more varied and Ableton/Logic/other non-E core program are not your primary use case, then an argument can definitely be made in favor of M3 Pro. Especially if picked up on sale.”
And
“I'm impressed by the B&H agent staying on top of this info. Good for them!
The M2 Pro 10 core only has 6 P cores(6P+4E). So if in budget, go for the M2 Pro 12 core (8P + 4E). That would be the best configuration. If you want to save some money, you can do what I did and get a refurb M1 Pro 10 core (8P+2E).
I personally was looking at refurb M2 Pro 12 core options, but it was another $600 compared the M1 Pro I got. I can afford it, but it came down more to principle. Didn't see the point spending that much more money just for 2 additional E cores. Also, I plan on seeing what the core configuration of future M4 Pro devices will be and might consider trading up to that. So it made sense for me to go with M1 Pro 10 core at this point in time.
Edit: Wanted to add that while the extra cost of M2 Pro 12 cores wasn't worth it for me, it may be for you. The additional 2 E cores might be worth it to you if you have any other workload that can actually use all available cores.”
Have a look at all the Maxtech comparison videos. That's where your sources probably got their data from. The M3 is just a joke with 8GB of RAM, and it loses a USB C port as well. The M3 Pro is better than the M2 Pro in some regards, but not others in Maxtech testing. Basically as you said, it depends on the task and application. Honestly, unless you are going to be doing 8K video editing or doing heavy, heavy workflows that your previous desktop was a liquid cooled Windows, or M2 Ultra, or are game designing / are a professional gamer, you are far better off with an M2 Pro. Just make sure you get a 1 TB SSD because the 512 is heaps slower. And the extra efficiency cores on the M2 Pro as you said, are not worth it to a power user. For someone who alternates between heavy tasks and light tasks, then yes, you will see slightly better battery life, as the performance cores won't be powered up when you open your emails on top of a UA-cam video... but if you are only using your Mac for Logic, then definitely no need to pay more! Assuming you have an iPad or another computer for lighter tasks, or will only be doing those at home / plugged in.
@@dannybeeh6332 I would like to get the TBSSD but that doesn't appear to be available. Only the 512GB SSD where I'm looking to get it. Either way I imagine it's gonna be heaps faster than the quad-core 250.69 SSD, 8gbUM that I have currently. I'll just buy a TB Lacie SSD external drive.
Man. You are highly overthinking this. As long as you are not doing epic trailer music with 200 instrument tracks and thousands of automation points - a macbook with 8 or 16gb is enough. I am doing orchestral music on my 8gb macbook - this macbook is from 2015. And I rarely use more than 20 insttrument tracks and through Kontakt optimization everything works fine. So if my old macbook is handling this stuff then one of the newer generations will handle your music easily.
I was under the impression you would explain on more technical terms how mac’s use ram
Why is that important? For me it is more crucial to know in which situations you will run out of RAM so the computer starts to use SWAP memory from the SSD, which will slow down the performance and also shorten the lifespan of the SSD.
@@thomashartmann5037 "which will slow down the performance and shorten the lifespan of the SSD." This is a fallacy. Swap initially uses the MLC (dRAM) part of the SSD, which totals 2 modules X 2GB (512GB models). So an 8GB machine will have effectively 12GB of superfast swap. Add in compression and you are nearer 14GB usable before you need to touch the SSD flash memory. Anyone buying an 8GB machine and using more than 14GB of RAM have only themselves to blame as clearly they should have used common sense and bought the 16GB version.
@@andyH_England Thanks for your reply. Good info about the ins and out with SWAP files. My info is based on what other says in the matter, but I’m sure you are correct.
Still you haven’t answered my question about why a more technical description would be beneficial, other than to verify if he really knows what he talks about.
When it comes to how much memory you need, it all depends on what usage situation you have. Unfortunately most UA-camrs compares render and export times in video production, which could be important for some people. In our case working in Marketing with MS Office and Google Workspace files and doing some lighter video edits in Camtasia, CapCut, CreateStudio, it’s more important to avoid stutter and frozen documents.
I could only get 36gb RAM on my max pro because that’s the most Amazon had. So far it seems good enough though. I just wanted something that’d last at least 5 years, and hopefully longer.
Which is the best ram and m3 max for aaa gaming and is it worth 1 or 2tb ssd?
Gaming???? Triple A gaming?????
@@Ribbuns I wanna play spider man and saints row
@@Ribbuns yes as I just ordered Spider-Man and the new Mac should have ray tracing and better for gaming
@@WadedaMinute barely anyone optimizes their games for macOS, the only way I’d reliably game on my Mac is either with Minecraft or cloud gaming
Has it been tested and what set up to use to play this and saint row?
As someone who has just bought a 16 inch MacBook Pro I have been using windows all my life. I have never had it crash or had any of the problems people in the comments are saying. I bet most people bought a $350 Windows laptop and hated it then tried a Apple laptop for $1500 and comparing the 2 experiences. Considering 90% of businesses use windows you would expect the world economy to collapse if it was as bad as you are all saying. Can’t even use MacOS out of the box without it driving me crazy (rectangle app a must). The quicker you stop blindly following apple the harder they will have to work to sell you products and everyone wins. Believe me if everyone boycotted the MacBook for a year the next MacBook you will see would be the greatest thing ever made.
Oh man, just shut up ... Most Mac users for pro tasks used Windows PCs in the past, and a minimum of them want to dive into this shit again. Stop posting comments after slight use.
What about the issue of ram bandwidth?
I suspect this a non-issue for anybody using the 18 GB and up configurations. They are using three 6 GB modules instead of two 8 GB modules. So interleaving between three modules compared to two should lessen, if not eliminate any issue caused by the reduction in bandwidth.
@@The_Apple_Fritter interesting.....thank you for the reply!
1:28 That's what I was thinking too. But for those who just use it for watching videos or doing note taking, this is a decent price for MacBook users, if u want to game on it, I don't think it may handle well with intensive graphics
Where in the world is is $200 more to go from 16GB to 24GB?
In Canada, 16GB is $2599, 24GB isn’t even listed as an option and 36GB is $4349.
Refurbished 16GB is $2199.. again no 24GB offered and 32 is $3100
I wish I could get the 48gb ram with the 12c M3 Pro configuration.
it makes sense you can only get 48G or higher with max models.
Apple made it in a way where you say “might as well upgrade” M3 Pro with 1 TB of storage is the same price as the base 16 inch, which you can upgrade the SSD for just $100 more…
I bought the m3 pro with 12 cores cpu/18 gpu and it looks great. The only problem is that I often as a student have a lot of tabs with homework opened on safari to the point where even with 18GB of unified memory my safari just straight up stops responding and I have to quit, thus losing all my unsafe work. This happened twice in one week already and once I captured it on the video and it crashed just safari when I was browsing threw my gmail, but the second time the photoshop was not responding when I was working on at the time (thank god for autosave). I could still tab in and out, so it was not a crash, but I usually have a lot more demand when it comes to work on my main windows pc.
Anyway, I have now Activity monitor in the background and I found out that when memory pressure reaches yellow, it just straight up crashes safari and I lose all the tabs. Is that normal? How much unified memory or which model should I get (considering I want to start studying computer science/engineering next year? (I can still return the Mac for a refund, it has been less than 2 weeks and I am returning it today.)
Also Is Mac better or should I get something like Razer Blade 14?
Go for more RAM 🐏
I got my wife an 8gb M2 Macbook Pro. She only uses her Macbook as an internet machine, to write papers for her doctorate classes,and prepare work for the classes that she teaches in high school. Zoom also. It's still considered light use. Her Macbook does use file swap. It's bullshit that 8GB is enough RAM. Total bullshit.
What issues is she running into? I don’t see why you’d need a pro machine for that type of stuff computers have been able to do for decades
I have a macbook air m2 with 8 gb of ram. I don’t have big problem with right now but I saw that it uses constantly 2 or 3 gb of swap memory and as I saw that use a lot of swap memory can damage the ssd, I am planning to upgrade it. Probably I am going with Macbook Pro M3 Pro with 18 gb of ram that is on sale for $1499. Than I won’t need to worry with it for a long time
@@Fernando_1903 Look into an M1 Max or M2 Max with 32GB RAM. Dont get sucked in thinking a newer year is a better machine. Just make sure to spend your money wisely. It sounds like a good deal but how often do you want to have to upgrade your stuff? The year of the M chip isn’t as important as the specs. I just got a M1 Max 64GB with 32 GPU cores so I’m set.
@@switchunboxing but the problem is the price of that machine. One MBP M3 Pro for $1499 sounds like the best deal, as I am going in a trip to US this September I can’t wait for the M4 version to launch. And also MBP M3 Pro is much more rugged and strong than my base MBA M2
So it's not the same having 32gb ram intel based mac than M2 Max 32gb? I mean in terms of ram usage.
Yes not the same, the M2 would be unified, the Intel memory is separate. So the communication with unified memory is much faster, as the video explains. But how much faster, thats not that clear. Benchmarking could tell you more.
@@redfox05nl Ok, but if I usually use 28-30gb ram on Intel Mac I will use the same in M2 or even M3 right? So is better to buy more ram.
@@andonivr it's all going to be a guess, but I ended up going with M3 Pro 36GB, and I previously had a 2018 intel based 16GB. Which was just starting to not be enough memory
@@andonivr it's all going to be a guess, but I ended up going with M3 Pro 36GB, and I previously had a 2018 intel based 16GB. Which was just starting to not be enough memory
Right now, on my 2019 i9 iMac with 40 GB of RAM is using 23 GB of RAM with no special productivity apps open. Interestingly, apps like Mail seem to take up more memory as time goes on until I close down the app and open it up again. It seems like RAM is not properly being deallocated in some apps. Upon reboot, somewhere between 7 to 12 GB of RAM will be in use but it grows from there. It seems that someone that uses the machine for pro like activities really want to upgrade the RAM. Folks who work in ML and data science seem to want at least 64 GB of RAM.
MacOS likes to keep everything in ram, even after you close a program, just in case you decide to reopen it. It’s difficult to judge whether increasing memory usage over time is a result of memory leakage or by design. The OS knows what it’s doing but users don’t necessarily know or understand how it allocates and deallocates memory. The most important takeaway from this video is that the more ram you have, the less swapping to the SSD will be necessary. This is extremely important for longevity since the SSD is not replaceable so more ram means less wear and tear on the SSD. Great video Arthur!
LLMs need a LOT of RAM. If you want to do inference on bigger models you need the RAM.
I upgraded my old 2013 trash can MacPro to 128 gigs of RAM. Runs like a champ now despite it being over a decade old and the memory only being DDR3 at 1066Mhz. Still faster than a swap file on an HDD or SSD. It originally shipped with 12 which was already a joke back in 2013.
Apple's pricing strategy is nothing short of extortion. Let's be honest here. The whole point of it is to push consumers to opt for a higher end machine which costs more.
For edit 600mb fx3 video , 36gb it's nice?