Its a real shame that Star trek enterprise never got a s5 as if it did we def would of reach the earth-romulan war era and it would of been a massive hit as by s4 the series really got its foot in the door.
Personally, I was more a fan of S3 (Season 4 seemed too much of "how many TOS prequels can we do" IMnsHO); but I do agree, they had gotten their footing- and the Earth/Romulan War would've made the most sense for S5 (thru 7), and I am rather annoyed we didn't get it.
Yeah. Star Trek has a big hole in the lore called the Earth-Romulan War and the series covering that era got cancelled before they even got to it. The Eugenics War is another big empty space in the lore where we only get glimpses of how Augments waged war on humanity.
I am very happy that the old Starfleet Museum ship designs are being used. I came across the SFM website a few years ago and immediately fell in love with all of the designs.
@@sardonicspartan9343 I'm actually growing more and more convinced that AK doesn't actually like the tech/space bits, so he does as little with them as possible. Hence the inconsistent imagery, poor ship models we never get clear shots of, the tardis turbolifts, etc. The show seemingly exists for Michael Burnham, and the other characters just help her, and the ships are there because they have to be.
I’m not a “trek” guy by any stretch, however I picked up the eaglemoss Daedalus ship after falling in love with the design. I’m currently watching anything I can find on this ship design. This film now is next on the list! Thanks guys!
This was great stuff! I loved this fan production. It was better made than the fleet scenes at the end of the first season of Picard where all the ships looked the same. Going forward they should use you guys. 😊
We covered the new shows while they were on as we got a lot of views/fan interaction...use the new content while we had it etc as it all keeps the show and channel going. Now thats all done we are thrilled to get back to classic content!
Stuart & Samuel - Any chance of seeing the Aurora {The Aurora is a small space ship that operated in a lawless sector just outside the Federation around 2270. The Aurora is a refitted Monitor-class gunship, formerly used during the Earth-Romulan War. (Star Trek: Aurora)} Created by Tim Vining. This is a fantastic animated fan offering & there were only two of the Monitor class gunships specifically created for the Romulan War. It would be fun seeing them in a fight! The Romulan War is a fantastic film and Samuel did an amazing job at rending some beautiful ships!
Glad to see Mark return! I'm sort of surprised Trek Yards hasn't covered the TRW release by now. I suppose DISCO takes priority. Well, it's a great production, and certainly a lot of ships to look at! The Romulan War and ENTERPRISE have proven to be mind bending concepts in that aspects of them distort canon from TOS and certainly what my own head-canon of what might be expected at this point in time. Basically, the tech seen in TOS was established and rugged, but--but just a few decades earlier, it the situation would have been rather different. Ships would have been, should have been, slower, probably smaller, technology less advanced and so on. PACIFIC 201 is about right for what I would think 2200 would have been like in terms of technical advancement. ENTERPRISE just seems too advanced. This is not to say that I don't like ENTERPRISE, and in many ways, my head canon HAD to change as the show did actually fix other issues, but certainly some mistakes were made. The Romulans had not degenerated technically, and had warp capable and refined looking vessels (that could cloak!). That was a big step. If the Romulans HAVE an interstellar empire and warp capable ships, it doesn't bother me if they are refined and they have multiple classes of ships and an implied history. They've been is space for many centuries after all. With that in mind, that ships might look too advanced is less problematic. This is a big change from canon, but it's already baked in with ENTERPRISE. It makes more sense for earth the fledging multi stellar world to be struggling against an aggressive and superior empire rather than an interplanetary, single system civilization with a bad attitude. So, the Dragon and Centurion classes don't bother me that much. Fighters don't make a lot of sense in Star Trek, it is true. But when used against non military targets or less advanced peoples, they can be devastating. Suicide runs against larger ships can be effective against even giant, powerful, and advanced ships as we've seen with the Odyssey vs. Dominion scarabs after all. I'm not too keen on the Einstein class to out this early, it would seem more like an early 23rd Century ship. The single nacelle design looks like it would go with a design strategy of the Hermes and Saladin classes. I do like the work done to make it consistent with this era. The half saucer design makes it look like a non-martial sister ship of the Intrepid design. The Daedalus class is great! Given the realities of ENTERPRISE, it makes sense that it is an earlier ship, the ship of Star Fleet before the Warp 5 engine had been achieved, or even multi warp factors had been perfected. They should arguably be common. The Intrepid, the Franklin, maybe even the warp delta classes are less than 20 years old. The Daedalus being large enough to be useful, small enough to nimble (and martial) in ways ships like the Pioneer class couldn't. While ships like the Conestoga class certainly look more 'Trek', the Pioneers are fine as old colonizer ships. These interstellar earth colonies could have never been populated and developed so much from use of the Conestoga ships alone. Their size and bulk have a different flavor, but they also evoke a different era of space exploration.
okay, I officially want at least ONE pioneer to be a Q-Ship, especially as it's already been established in the first film and various mini-features that they use armed freighters. Pioneer is the perfect big fat slow target. So fill her up with guns and torps and wait with a fleet in ambush.
I agree with Foley that the Romulan ships here, and the ones in Enterprise, look too advanced for their era. That said, they are beautiful ships. Well done. I know that fighters are generally considered a bad idea in Star Trek, but I'd like to point one thing out. It doesn't matter what size the ship that launches the torpedo is so long as the torpedo hits. Here on Earth we had Torpedo Boats. They were cheap, agile, could get close enough to launch a torpedo... and that's all they needed to do. The Destroyer class of ship originally comes from Torpedo-Boat Destroyers. Destroyers gained agility by being small ships (though still ships, so a lot larger than a Torpedo Boat) and they were heavily armored... but they were only armed well enough to destroy Torpedo-Boats. Basically, their entire purpose was to defend the fleet against Torpedo Boats, rather than take on other ships. Building a Fighter-Destroyer for Fleet engagements might be an interesting addition to the Star Fleet ships, as a response to the Reman Fighters. Maybe something like a refit of that Delta Warp Ship from the older video on this, designed to go into atmosphere if needed.
There have been dozens of fan films that have come out since the guidelines, including a feature film and multiple episodes of multiple productions. CBS has allowed 99.9999% of fan films to be released without any word from them, so no the team isn't worried about CBS as they are following the spirit of the guidelines and it seems CBS has not had an issue with any production in the last many years.
@@TheMrPeteChannel I mean..the idea of fan films is to be watched by as many fans as possible, Mark wants these films released and enjoyed, not anything to do with Patreon etc.
I’d like to know more about when these ships were built, before NX or after. I’d like a timeline of when they came into service to create a sense of progress to NX.
Really liking the new designs, and the new takes on old ones. Gotta check out thye fan film soon. One point of contention though. Interstellar Ballistic Missile doesn't really work. Specifically the ballistic part. ICBM's basically use all their fuel getting up to speed and then are essentially unpowered projectiles like bullets that are under the force of gravity. Not really gonna apply in ship to ship. Small thing, but it bugged me.
ThisRomulan war project just highlights the stingy ship screen time of all CBSAA Trek shows. STP and STD has a lack of fly by beauty shots to reference the narration in the episodes in addition to the dim/dark, lens flares and spastic editing is annoying. This ‘Romulan War’reminds me of ST:Enterprise season 5!!
If photon torpedoes are basically hyper nukes, why are the explosions so small in space? When Georgiou targeted the rebels on the planet from the Charon, the photon torpedo blasts were visible from space and split the earth.
It's always been the case in Trek that warheads for photon torpedoes can be "dialed in" for different explosive yields. It's also likely that, just like with real-life nukes, photon torps are more destructive on a planet than they are in space due to pressure waves and combustion that can't expand in a vacuum. #TheMoreYouKnow
You mention the Remuns as a basically suicide warriors. While no offense is meant, in WW2 the Japanese Imperial Marines were much the same way. According to my father (an Army Medical Tech in So.Pacific), they took death before dishonor quite seriously. One finished himself off that had somehow been captured by eating a glass thermometer . If you have seen the film HACKSAW RIDGE, you have an idea of what I mean of the Japanese soldiers of that period, please note. I seem to recall seeing a DAEDALUS class ship with the much more barrel-shaped body in someone's ready room, possibly Sisko's, but I'm not sure. Regardless, I like this version quite a bit.
Am I the only one who thinks that fighter with the twin cockpits needs three legs? Ula! On those old ships... Yes, they HAVE to be there! ...ehhh, if I was gonna retro the warship designs from the Museum, I'd make them relics from a Kzinti war. But it's good to see them!!
Meh... the Centurion looks from the upper 3/4 view, an Ent-E saucer with some bits over the top, and green Ent-E warp nacelles. I picked up on that way before Foley said anything. Also the bridge blister's too UFP. I think the proportions are too long for the saucer hull... maybe have more of the outer hull form from the top and bottom, maybe going more towards the Andorian longer forward hull and really narrow the saucer to be more of a hull bulge than a saucer inside the outer shell parts. NOM
Scientists on Earth have been able to monitor and predict star activity for decades, Can SOMEONE tell me how the romulans, 300 years in the future, are unable to know their star is going nova, also, that sized star does not explode, also, they would have THOUSANDS of years to prepare for such occurrrance if it did. Hello?
@@TheRomulanWar these small mainline stars live for unfathomable periods of time and are governed by physics. As for the destruction, if not natural, then surely the cause is worthy of inclusion?. Its a ridiculous premise written by God awful writers
Its a real shame that Star trek enterprise never got a s5 as if it did we def would of reach the earth-romulan war era and it would of been a massive hit as by s4 the series really got its foot in the door.
Personally, I was more a fan of S3 (Season 4 seemed too much of "how many TOS prequels can we do" IMnsHO); but I do agree, they had gotten their footing- and the Earth/Romulan War would've made the most sense for S5 (thru 7), and I am rather annoyed we didn't get it.
Yeah. Star Trek has a big hole in the lore called the Earth-Romulan War and the series covering that era got cancelled before they even got to it. The Eugenics War is another big empty space in the lore where we only get glimpses of how Augments waged war on humanity.
I am very happy that the old Starfleet Museum ship designs are being used. I came across the SFM website a few years ago and immediately fell in love with all of the designs.
When a fan made series spends more time actually designing and caring about canon and ship design/function than anything made by Alex Kurtzman....
My thoughts exactly.
@@sardonicspartan9343 I'm actually growing more and more convinced that AK doesn't actually like the tech/space bits, so he does as little with them as possible. Hence the inconsistent imagery, poor ship models we never get clear shots of, the tardis turbolifts, etc.
The show seemingly exists for Michael Burnham, and the other characters just help her, and the ships are there because they have to be.
When the only nutrek, an animated show (lower decks), looks and feels canon, then we know we have a problem!
back to ships saturday, awesome, everyone loves ships right
The Daedalus class is one of my favorites. This is a ship I see as a bridge between current tech and TOS. Well done gentlemen. 👍
I love the starfleet museum ships, they feel like the ships spock described in TOS
I love those Masao ships! They've been around for at least 20 years now. The Earth-Romulan War fan history there is so interesting.
I’m not a “trek” guy by any stretch, however I picked up the eaglemoss Daedalus ship after falling in love with the design. I’m currently watching anything I can find on this ship design. This film now is next on the list! Thanks guys!
Daedalus models would make a cool trekyards episode on their own.
Yes! After so long, some Real Star Trek! Bring it on!
Ah, some good Trek stuff--it's great to see some of Masao's work brought to life, too!
Awesome ships superior commander
i really love the 'dragon' class just a great merging of aesthetics. and i really did enjoy the call back of seeing the nightingale.
Love Daedalus-class. Thanks guys
This was great stuff! I loved this fan production. It was better made than the fleet scenes at the end of the first season of Picard where all the ships looked the same. Going forward they should use you guys. 😊
I wish somebody would make gaming miniatures of these ship designs--particularly the Romulans.
I'm glad to see more of this type of content rather than going on and on about kurtzman nonsense. This is what I started watching your channel for.
We covered the new shows while they were on as we got a lot of views/fan interaction...use the new content while we had it etc as it all keeps the show and channel going. Now thats all done we are thrilled to get back to classic content!
Agreed. The less Kurtzman the better.
Stuart & Samuel - Any chance of seeing the Aurora {The Aurora is a small space ship that operated in a lawless sector just outside the Federation around 2270. The Aurora is a refitted Monitor-class gunship, formerly used during the Earth-Romulan War. (Star Trek: Aurora)} Created by Tim Vining. This is a fantastic animated fan offering & there were only two of the Monitor class gunships specifically created for the Romulan War. It would be fun seeing them in a fight! The Romulan War is a fantastic film and Samuel did an amazing job at rending some beautiful ships!
I'm a big fan of Masao Okazaki's designs.
I just subbed to "The Romulan War" channel. I'll watch it right after this.
Like the ships!
The Romulain fighter reminds me of hordaks M symbol lol
Wonderful that people like your self have a interesting ability to create amazing models that look so cool.
Glad to see Mark return! I'm sort of surprised Trek Yards hasn't covered the TRW release by now. I suppose DISCO takes priority. Well, it's a great production, and certainly a lot of ships to look at!
The Romulan War and ENTERPRISE have proven to be mind bending concepts in that aspects of them distort canon from TOS and certainly what my own head-canon of what might be expected at this point in time. Basically, the tech seen in TOS was established and rugged, but--but just a few decades earlier, it the situation would have been rather different. Ships would have been, should have been, slower, probably smaller, technology less advanced and so on. PACIFIC 201 is about right for what I would think 2200 would have been like in terms of technical advancement. ENTERPRISE just seems too advanced. This is not to say that I don't like ENTERPRISE, and in many ways, my head canon HAD to change as the show did actually fix other issues, but certainly some mistakes were made.
The Romulans had not degenerated technically, and had warp capable and refined looking vessels (that could cloak!). That was a big step. If the Romulans HAVE an interstellar empire and warp capable ships, it doesn't bother me if they are refined and they have multiple classes of ships and an implied history. They've been is space for many centuries after all. With that in mind, that ships might look too advanced is less problematic. This is a big change from canon, but it's already baked in with ENTERPRISE. It makes more sense for earth the fledging multi stellar world to be struggling against an aggressive and superior empire rather than an interplanetary, single system civilization with a bad attitude.
So, the Dragon and Centurion classes don't bother me that much.
Fighters don't make a lot of sense in Star Trek, it is true. But when used against non military targets or less advanced peoples, they can be devastating. Suicide runs against larger ships can be effective against even giant, powerful, and advanced ships as we've seen with the Odyssey vs. Dominion scarabs after all.
I'm not too keen on the Einstein class to out this early, it would seem more like an early 23rd Century ship. The single nacelle design looks like it would go with a design strategy of the Hermes and Saladin classes. I do like the work done to make it consistent with this era. The half saucer design makes it look like a non-martial sister ship of the Intrepid design.
The Daedalus class is great! Given the realities of ENTERPRISE, it makes sense that it is an earlier ship, the ship of Star Fleet before the Warp 5 engine had been achieved, or even multi warp factors had been perfected. They should arguably be common. The Intrepid, the Franklin, maybe even the warp delta classes are less than 20 years old. The Daedalus being large enough to be useful, small enough to nimble (and martial) in ways ships like the Pioneer class couldn't.
While ships like the Conestoga class certainly look more 'Trek', the Pioneers are fine as old colonizer ships. These interstellar earth colonies could have never been populated and developed so much from use of the Conestoga ships alone. Their size and bulk have a different flavor, but they also evoke a different era of space exploration.
".....dragging people behind...... - im looking at you....., - Einstein....."
okay, I officially want at least ONE pioneer to be a Q-Ship, especially as it's already been established in the first film and various mini-features that they use armed freighters. Pioneer is the perfect big fat slow target. So fill her up with guns and torps and wait with a fleet in ambush.
I agree with Foley that the Romulan ships here, and the ones in Enterprise, look too advanced for their era. That said, they are beautiful ships. Well done.
I know that fighters are generally considered a bad idea in Star Trek, but I'd like to point one thing out. It doesn't matter what size the ship that launches the torpedo is so long as the torpedo hits. Here on Earth we had Torpedo Boats. They were cheap, agile, could get close enough to launch a torpedo... and that's all they needed to do. The Destroyer class of ship originally comes from Torpedo-Boat Destroyers. Destroyers gained agility by being small ships (though still ships, so a lot larger than a Torpedo Boat) and they were heavily armored... but they were only armed well enough to destroy Torpedo-Boats. Basically, their entire purpose was to defend the fleet against Torpedo Boats, rather than take on other ships. Building a Fighter-Destroyer for Fleet engagements might be an interesting addition to the Star Fleet ships, as a response to the Reman Fighters. Maybe something like a refit of that Delta Warp Ship from the older video on this, designed to go into atmosphere if needed.
I didn't get a Batwing feeling from the Romulan fighter. I got a Cylon Raider feel.
Round of the nose and you get a cylon raider
This is cool, but aren't they afraid that CBS will shut them down like they did Aries/Axanar?
There have been dozens of fan films that have come out since the guidelines, including a feature film and multiple episodes of multiple productions. CBS has allowed 99.9999% of fan films to be released without any word from them, so no the team isn't worried about CBS as they are following the spirit of the guidelines and it seems CBS has not had an issue with any production in the last many years.
Well as long as they don't charge money 2 watch I guess like putting it on Patreon.
@@TheMrPeteChannel I mean..the idea of fan films is to be watched by as many fans as possible, Mark wants these films released and enjoyed, not anything to do with Patreon etc.
Yeah these films are following the rules so they're not in danger.
Guidelines not rules :) remember that
The Romulan Fighter reminds me of the 2003 Cylon Raider.
I’d like to know more about when these ships were built, before NX or after. I’d like a timeline of when they came into service to create a sense of progress to NX.
Really liking the new designs, and the new takes on old ones. Gotta check out thye fan film soon.
One point of contention though. Interstellar Ballistic Missile doesn't really work. Specifically the ballistic part. ICBM's basically use all their fuel getting up to speed and then are essentially unpowered projectiles like bullets that are under the force of gravity. Not really gonna apply in ship to ship. Small thing, but it bugged me.
if a keg had warp drive, one of the ships in the thumbnail would be it.
I've missed your ship reviews, although you attempted with the current series of the past year, this is the meat and bread I enjoy.
A million links in the description not none for the fan film. That would be helpful.
Can someone share this on twitter and tag alex curtzman so he learns the propper way to make starships
The Britanic was used as a troop ship and was torpedoed in ww1 the Queen marry was used as a troop ship during ww2 surving ww2.
Looks cool!
21:00 - it looks like somebody took a late 24th century Starfleet design, made it more angular, and painted it green.
Where's Part 2, to the War? Looks of great approach
A bit of a shame you did not cover the Andorian Krotus class
ThisRomulan war project just highlights the stingy ship screen time of all CBSAA Trek shows. STP and STD has a lack of fly by beauty shots to reference the narration in the episodes in addition to the dim/dark, lens flares and spastic editing is annoying. This ‘Romulan War’reminds me of ST:Enterprise season 5!!
🖖😎👍Very well done indeed guys 👌.
are going to have 21st century bird of prey in the romulan war from the comic and novels (not the earth romulan war)
I thought Star fleet museum was reaction to Enterprise created to spite "star trek Enterprise".
Wow, sounds like there's some uh, "creative differences" between Mark and Samuel 😅
If photon torpedoes are basically hyper nukes, why are the explosions so small in space? When Georgiou targeted the rebels on the planet from the Charon, the photon torpedo blasts were visible from space and split the earth.
It's always been the case in Trek that warheads for photon torpedoes can be "dialed in" for different explosive yields. It's also likely that, just like with real-life nukes, photon torps are more destructive on a planet than they are in space due to pressure waves and combustion that can't expand in a vacuum. #TheMoreYouKnow
@@TheRomulanWar And yet in Balance of Terror an old-style nuke goes off right beside the Enterprise and there's a persistent and blinding white light.
You mention the Remuns as a basically suicide warriors. While no offense is meant, in WW2 the Japanese Imperial Marines were much the same way. According to my father (an Army Medical Tech in So.Pacific), they took death before dishonor quite seriously. One finished himself off that had somehow been captured by eating a glass thermometer . If you have seen the film HACKSAW RIDGE, you have an idea of what I mean of the Japanese soldiers of that period, please note.
I seem to recall seeing a DAEDALUS class ship with the much more barrel-shaped body in someone's ready room, possibly Sisko's, but I'm not sure. Regardless, I like this version quite a bit.
Is Starbase 2 named Ahsoka??? :D
It's ASHOKA, named after an ancient Far Eastern warlord who converted to Buddhism and became a pacifist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka
Fighter looks like like xindi one
The Daedalus class ship Shenandoah has the registry number as NCC-186 not 109,
If her registry number is 109 she should be name the John F. Kennedy.
Am I the only one who thinks that fighter with the twin cockpits needs three legs? Ula!
On those old ships... Yes, they HAVE to be there! ...ehhh, if I was gonna retro the warship designs from the Museum, I'd make them relics from a Kzinti war. But it's good to see them!!
Several of the Pioneer-class (Starfleet Museum) ships did, in fact, see action during the Kzinti Wars.
Captain, Britannic sank in World War I……….
Meh... the Centurion looks from the upper 3/4 view, an Ent-E saucer with some bits over the top, and green Ent-E warp nacelles. I picked up on that way before Foley said anything. Also the bridge blister's too UFP. I think the proportions are too long for the saucer hull... maybe have more of the outer hull form from the top and bottom, maybe going more towards the Andorian longer forward hull and really narrow the saucer to be more of a hull bulge than a saucer inside the outer shell parts.
NOM
I don’t like any of the new design ships. I agree, they are too advanced for the era.
Love all of the ships, but the Centurion class looks too Federation to me, but that's just me.🖖👍
If you would say the same about the TOS BoP...then thats a problem with the Romulan design scheme rather than this design itself ;)
@@power543 True true, the Romulans were known for pilfering designs from other cultures, Klingon D7 springs to mind.🖖
Scientists on Earth have been able to monitor and predict star activity for decades,
Can SOMEONE tell me how the romulans, 300 years in the future, are unable to know their star is going nova, also, that sized star does not explode, also, they would have THOUSANDS of years to prepare for such occurrrance if it did.
Hello?
Good point, but the answer is probably that the nova did not occur by natural means and was an unpredictable event.
@@TheRomulanWar these small mainline stars live for unfathomable periods of time and are governed by physics.
As for the destruction, if not natural, then surely the cause is worthy of inclusion?.
Its a ridiculous premise written by God awful writers
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