Where do you get the numbers for the admirals? You make a claim without giving any reason or explanation as to why you think their moon level. This is a genuine question. I’m just making it to MarineFord. Last time I checked the Admirals, Yonko and such should low ball be country level and high ball (very generous) should be continental. And that’s just the fight with Luffy (Gear 5) and Kaido who the Admirals scale to. I’m just curious.
@@Atlasbladeworks they’re are links in the description every I video use to calcs on certain feats characters do Kizaru threw a kick that was 10 exatons of TNT at 10% so at 100% he’d be moon level check vs battle wikis tiers and the other 2 admirals upscale from him it’s petty simple bro
No.Suigetsu, which has the ability to transform into a liquid form, is the closest thing to a logia in Naruto. He is not actual water; rather, his chakra has transformed so that it behaves like water.We are aware that Jugo did nothing to defend himself from Suigestu while the latter was being punched even with sage chakra.Suigetsu then simply created a blob of water to surround Jugo's head.Hokage is unable to strike Logias.
It should be noted that chakra by its very nature, can allow the Kage to touch logias. Armament Haki is form of Haki that allows the user to use their own spiritual energy to create, in essence, an invisible armor around themself. Chakra is a combination of Physical energy and spiritual energy. Chakra by itself will allow the user to touch logias because of that.
@@garteroid8892 Well it depends on translation. In some translations, chakra is a combination of Physical energy and Mental Energy instead of Spiritual energy. What this tells us is that spiritual energy and mental energy are interchangeable translations. So even if Haki is weaponized will power, Chakra can be said to be composed of Mental energy. So by its very nature, chakra can allow the user to interact with logias.
@@jakequali7608 I still don't think that chakra can work against logia they're literally to different power systems, this is why I kinda hate topics about characters from different anime fighting because we don't know how they're power systems would interact
@@garteroid8892 Yes, the two series have different power systems and how those power systems react with their respective verse. But they still do share similar ingredients. Depending on translation whether it is spiritual energy or mental energy, chakra does have the means of interacting with logias. Plus there are evidences of chakra interacting with normally intangible objects or persons. Chakra is very versatile and has been known to interact with spirits. Naruto was capable of interacting and even touching his own soul when he was in a chakra cloak. In the Last: Naruto Movie, Naruto cloaked his hand with chakra to phase through hinata’s chest to undo Toneri’s mind control.
Don't know where you got the calcs which scales to exatons for both hokages and admirals(don't know if this is extreme ball for both),cuz bijju scale to island+ to small country level. And the kages scaling to country at best. And hashirama scaling to multicontinental,planatary with statements. Admirals scale to continental+ to multicontinental.
@@sbthesage2100 i heard that speed shouldn't be assumed to high relativistic etc from someone,but it's okay even if this way is assumed I just looked at the calcs from vs wiki for comparison. And for kizaru calc each tree in shaboady is being assumed to be 1.7 times bigger than mount Everest etc. So there might be a fault with pixel scaling etc.
I have 3 problems: 1. A bit lazy scaling om the speed one the admirals side, as they logically are faster than characters like Katakuri that was blitzing ftl characters, faster than bounce man and could still react to Snakeman after Luffy had become stronger. 2. you cant perception blitz future sight, although ofc you can still move fast enough to where its impossible to dodge 3. Tobirama's water isnt really doing anything as Aokiji has multiple feats of freezing massive amounts of water in an instant, Akainu is slightly stronger than Aokiji and a lot stronger than Sabo that could vaporize large amounts of water as well and Kizaru can fly
And for admiral the never talk about, how aokiji flash 200 kilometres of an ocean and often time their stamina feat is ignored and no one takes it to consideration to actually analyze there power is always. Kizaru is light man he can shoot laser beans aokiji is ice can freeze and akainu being magma.
1:10 Wouldn't really say Kizaru was going full power, seeing as he's relative to Aokiji and Akainu at this point. Those two previously mentioned needed their own island to fight on, seeing as they PERMANENTLY altered that said islands' weather. Both were realistically holding back since there were civilians/other parties present. This is consistent too since some of the Admirals (Fujitoro and Greenbull I believe?) were stating to be holding back in a fight against Sabo & Co in the celestial dragons land. These One Piece top tiers would need an island to have a battle at full power. I'd say he was at MAX going 50%. That's a very high estimation, too, considering we see Rayleigh getting tired throughout their fight while Kizaru seems not affected at all.
Let's be factual the Admirals eradicate the hokages however fast you are u can damage the admirals without haki, and for the water u said, Aokijji will just freeze it, now Akainu turning the whole battlefield into magma and also the one piece characters are way fast, Minato is the only from naruto who could match their speed. I have watched both series closely and mind you these are admirals without Awakenings. And they are most crazy stamina like they can fight for weeks 😂 and still have enough gas while the hokage have Chakra reserve limiting there stamina. Let's be honest Akainu, Aokiji and Kirazu are literally gods do know the meaning of being an element not just manipulating but being made of that element. Aah Admirals beat hokages that's a fact. I peaced our
Work you’re a one piece dick sucker you clearly didn’t hear the reasoning I gave or chose not to listen so this whole paragraph full of garbage means nothing
@@sbthesage2100hokages have shown better feats in the final arc the war arc however the admirals the best feats we can is from Akainu and scale Aokiji and Kizaru to Akainu
@@GTS-dh9wj the admirals aren't allowed to go all out since they would change the land scape its literally shown that if they where to go all out they would permanently change there surroundings like Burning the sea or creating volcanos and this was not even on purpose so what are the hokage doing when Akainu turns the battlefield to magma and and starts burning The Shinsusenju or the wood golems and evaporates Tobiramas precious water and Hiruzen cant even get close enough to harm Akainu cuz he burns swords while just standing feet away or is Kizaru spams mini nukes in all Directions literally or if Aokiji freeze's the blood in there veins or just turns the battlefield to an ice block
Akainu burned surrounding water for 7 days and aokiji froze half an island plus the water around it almost instantaneously. Luffy can just turn it into rubber in gear 5. Moral of the story is a devil fruit user won’t just stand still and get hit by water, especially when they have future sight 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Man all of these videos about one piece vs naruto always come down to these ridiculous speed calcs. Can we just make them all somewhat relative to speed and debate that lol
this contest of speed is actually so wrong considering kizaru is the actual light itself. it will only make sense if they go to Olympic competition and had it settled there. 😂
so to put it short : 1 sage mod is mot a multiplayer watch the dygo knight video about naruto amps 2 admirals cannot make themselves intangible they are intangible and also they cannot only control their elements they are the elements 3 reaper death seal doesn’t work on them cuz they don’t have chakra and even if Op character had chakra Elements Don’t so in that exact moment when they ate their fruits they became magma ice and light respectively so this actually makes them nature energy basically walking sages
I found even more things wrong with this kinda scaling but i can’t bother saying those here but it was fun to bother with good video bud but admirals take this
And also you got this so wrong is not thanks to future side take Katakuri for example he is not a logia he can transform his body in to mochi cuz he is a special paramecia and he can’t just be intangible he can make himself intangible but they are intangible take for example when crocodiles head gets cut off how could it happen without doffys strings making contact with his head and it being sand as it is just coming back in place by crocodile controlling it
you forgot to mention that hashirama captured and kept all the tailed beasts as his pets and gave them out to villages casually because he knew he could just take them back any time
literally this was already proved wrong cu Whitebeards attack caused a tsunami and aokiji froze it before it even fell down this tsunami was as large as an island and it came from both sides i dont think tobirama could flood an island as large as Marineford
Pretty sure the admirals outscale the kage in terms of power when you consider the size of the one piece world. You also kinda lazily covered their speed feats without actually looking into how fast they actually are.
He's a bias scaler hyping up the hokage too much while weakening the stats of admirals. He doesn't even know one piece for sure 😂😂😂😂 trash channel can't power scale properly.
Why is it bs the curse mark is not snake sage mode buddy the CM is just Jugos bootleg Sage mode so Minato who is a perfect sage should have the same if not a greater multiplier
@@sbthesage2100 curse mark is a water down snake Sage cause sage mode user are immune to genjustu which is shown when Sasuke used his curse mark to fight Itachi an Itachi had Sasuke under a genjustu an he broke through instantly with the curse mark 🤦 proof it's a form of sage mode
Really obvious that the hokage are superior to the admirals since no admiral has feats comparable to the kages who could create oceans , budda gods , shinigami , KCM , flying raigin , and six paths truth seeking obs of naruto or god forms like baryon mode which could scales up to defeat gods like ishikki
I lost it when you said his casual kick was moon level lol. First of all he charged it for a hell long of a time and in no way how r u even calcing that feat at moon level lmao
Join my discord to debate me and there’s a link to calc in the description? Like every video I’ve ever made and he didn’t “charge” the kick he was standing over zoro casual af like this dude is bouta die let me just stomp him out real quick which is why I said he was 10% the kick is calced to 10 exatons which is multi Continental level therefore at 100% it’d obvi be 100 simple shit bro also the kage still scale higher so why does it matter To you ? Do you have something against one piece ?
@@sbthesage2100 I am not talking about kage so don't bring them into the equation. I don't hate op lol how u even come to that conclusion? I am just saying ur calcs are ridiculous
@@sbthesage2100 ur website doesn't contain the calc for "kizaru moon busting kick" , it only states that his speed so how do u even came up with the moon busting calc? The wb calc is also wrong lmao. First of all lifting the ocean up and down is a helll of a lot different than a tsunami. And pixel scaling, using pixel scale on any manga pages is ridiculous especially op since oda has no sense of size with all the infamous noah arc and 100m sea king lol
@@sbthesage2100 if that kick was just "casual" Then why did his kick in his previous fights didn't destroyed the mountain or the town? It was charging up for so long that the whole crew was taking their turns trying to interrupt kizaru
Admirals stomp, except Hashirama, Madara, then Six Path level stomp one piece world unless one piece can show someone more hax. The hokage most of them are like higher warlord level in one piece. Yonko(fleet admiral akainu)>Admiral>Yonko first right handman(backup admiral like Gion>warlord>HQ(elite)vice admiral>vice admiral > rear admiral
@@sbthesage2100 that wasnt my point. the whole sea water vs normal water argument is dumb. normal water also comes from the sea and its all connected. salt also weakens devil fruit power and that also points to the same fact.
I like the video but also hate the if they don't have haki the attacks won't work Most logia are elemental characters and can be harmed by othe elemental attacks
@@hackfleischking5162 pokemone have type advantages it's pretty much shown in one piece energy or elemental attacks will harm logias Example White beard using an energy based attack on Akainu
@@ath477 That's not realy canon isn't it? White beard could have used haki in combination with his devil fruit. Just before the hit he grabed Akainus head with his bare hands. That was definetly Haki. It was never said that elements or energy effects them.
@@hackfleischking5162 true its never been stated that white beard used haki or that energy or elemental attacks would harm them but there's nothing to say that elemental or energy attacks wouldn't effect them after all kizaru is made of light which would count as energy based rather then elemental we've seen logia user stalemate each other who's to say they can harm each other
@@ath477 true but every time that happened the Logia user also had haki. We have seen Logia users attacked with explosions which could be counted as energy or fire element based with no effect.
i checked through Ur channel b4 I continued these VS battle vids U originally do Naruto content so there is a clear bias even if u don't want to admit it but Gg video we move Kizaru has never gone all out and he ain't the weakest that's I miss info bruh he wasn't considered for fleet admiral because he is lazy and easy going Even aokiji didn't want to be fleet admiral but he fought for it because he didn't want akainu to rule the navy I'm starting to doubt u bro lol 😂😂😂 This video is funny How is it u think shooting water at them would immobilize them when aokiji could freeze 3 days worth of walking distance in an instant Lol
I don’t even agree with this. Video so anymore but other than me starting with Naruto content what basis is there for me being bias I just released a video where Fujitora beats pain ? So pointing out issues such as me calling kizaru the weakest of the admirals to upscale the others and is poor evidence to support your claim also why do I care if you doubt me who are u exactly 😂 what makes you so smart cause your points are actually awful you quite literally can’t use your devil fruit when submerged in water this is literally day 1 thing explained ab so if Aokiji is in the water already which via the speed scaling which I presented would mean Aokiji would be submerged b4 he can react. So again your argument is horrible. Tho I don’t even agree with this video anymore so the scaling means nothing to me I just hope you work on formulating your opinion and stop being illogical and claiming bias bc a one piece character doesn’t win a vs matchup
W video overall. However, the Admiral's speeds were severely underestimated. In Thriller Bark, a heavily fatigued Zoro was able to dodge Kuma's Pad Canon attacks, which were stated to be lightspeed. Again, a heavily fatigued Zoro was able to do this. Zoro, at this point, is a low tier, seeing as Luffy was considered fodder by the end of the pre timeskip portion of the series yet is consistently portrayed stronger than Zoro when he gets Gear 2nd. The beginning of the Timeskip happens, and we see a base form Luffy casually dodge a Pacifista's light beam attack, the same light beam attack that is stated to be Kizaru's light attacks by X Drake pre timeskip. We know this attack would bare minimum be lightspeed considering Kizaru is a literal lightman. Luffy also calls it too slow, then proceeds to blitz, and one shot a pacifista in Gear 2nd. Remember, it took the whole crew to barely defeat a pacifista. This crew consists of Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy. Scaling Sanji and Luffy off of Zoro also gets them to bare minimum FTL based on a fatigued Zoro being able to dodge lightspeed attacks. Sanji and Luffy should be just straight up faster than Zoro at this point, that's my reasoning for Sanji and Luffy being FTL in pre timeskip. Again, these three specific FTL characters/versions are fodder against their post timeskip counterparts. So start of post timeskip Luffy blitzes a pacifista capable of keeping up with three FTL characters + several weaker supporting characters. Why am I bringing up Luffy & Co? I'll explain in a minute. So then jump to Dressrosa. Luffy and Law need to team up together to fight against Doflamingo. So Doflamingo is being able to keep these two, who are MFTL+ minimum based off scaling + forms/powers, with anywhere from low-mid difficulty at certain points in the fight. Luffy pulls out Gear 4th and starts blitzing Doflamingo, the same guy capable of fighting/perceiving these characters that also fight at MFTL+ speeds. In the anime, it doesn't look like Gear 4th is absolutely dominating, but in the manga, Doffy is being beaten badly. Skip to Whole Cake Island. Cracker is able to keep up Gear 4th Luffy much easier than Doflamingo, to the point he is going evenly with Gear 4th. Skip to the Katakuri fight, Gear 4th Luffy gets DOMINATED by Katakuri, but he is able to cliff Gear 4th at the beginning of the fight in Base. Now we see a base Luffy able to compete with Katakuri through haki blooms. Skip to Wano when Luffy fights Kaido for the first time, we his current, stronger/faster Gear 4th get blitzes by base Kaido. At this point, Luffy in Gear 4th is easily into the MFTL+. Luffy then trains, and AGAIN cliffs his previous Gear 4th power in base. Kaido then goes into his hybrid mode, which is an exponential stat multiplier, as stated in Empel Down/Ennis Lobby, that hybrid forms boost the user's stats exponentially. So after all that babbling, what am I saying? So, as we know, the emperors are stated to be relative to each other ( including old man whiteboard and before the new emporors ). Now let's look at how Akainu packed up old man whitebeard. Kizaru should be relative to this Akainu, the same Akainu who dominated an old whiteboard relative to the other emperors. All these emperors are able to fight at/perceive MFTL+ speeds. Looking at other admirals, this case being Greenbull. Greenbull was confident enough to fight the alliance in Wano even after Kaido's defeat and only left because of another emperor crew being there. My point being, these admirals have been shown to easily fight/ perceive MFTL+ speeds, and it being constant considering low tiers are able to scale to FTL+ in pre timeskip. Overall, W video, of course. I just think the speed was downplayed on the Admirals part.
Is it not that creating the pad attack is light speed but the attack itself doesn’t move at light speed. Otherwise zoro should easy dodge and avoid kizaru.
@Watever Depends, cause you could take it as Kuma storing air pressure inside the paw bubbles and launching those bubbles at lightspeed or what you just said. Also, it depends on the translation. Let's ignore that, though. In an sbs, when asked by a fan about how fast you would need to be to dodge Enel's lightning, Oda (The One Piece Author) states, "You would need to duck at lightspeed" and seeing as Usopp and Nami were able to dodge Enel's lightning bolt attack, you could unironically get them to lightspeed reaction time. Though, most people won't take that statement seriously even though it was directly from the authors quote. Let's just say that Usopp and Nami have lightning reaction time. Hell, we know devil fruits can be trained to be pushed beyond their limitations and awakened, so Enel could very well make his lightning faster than real lightning. Now addressing Zoro not being able to dodge Kizaru, let's take what I said about Devil Fruits being able to be pushed beyond their abilities. Kizaru is a devil fruit user, and being an admiral, he'd have not only mastery over Haki but also his Devil Fruit. He could very well make his light go beyond lightspeed. It's not that crazy considering Devil Fruit abilities can be trained beyond their initial limits and the fact that Kizaru can manipulate light into a sword. Also, add in the fact that Zoro was not fully recovered from receiving all of Luffy's pain in Thriller Bark and therefore couldn't dodge a suppressed Kizaru
@@watever9162 he passed out during that fight and hadnt healed from thrillerbark yet and the rest of the crew could barely dodge them so he couldnt dodge cuz he passed out after fighting the pasifista
Bro how can you say that kizaru' attack is moon level while litteraly showing it and anyone with eyes being able to see that it clearly didnt destroy sabaody so by that not even being island level even if that was only 10% (wich full power lets say it could destroy the entire island, at best he would be island level), so all you scaling for one piece after that is just nonsense. And the island level is actually consistent because akainu and kuzan going all out completly changed punk hazard island, so again the admirals are consistent island level and at max like small country level.
@@sbthesage2100 Raikage??? That boy is at the speed of lightning which has been stated to be only near the speed of light. That is not speed of light. That is definitely not faster than the speed of light. Luffy is FTL in gear 2 alone. That’s before his gear 4/5 speed amps and any Haki amps.
@@danieljamesfarquharson8421 I see ppl like you all the time if you wanna debate me the discord servers in the description also the translation is like light and that’s in reference to V1 raikage therefore he’s the TSOL and FTL in V2 cloak also I don’t know where you’re getting he’s only lightning speed from just bc his armor is lightning that’s so real meat head shit
Yeah it isnt close because of speed and ap. I disagree that naruto is just faster than one piece eg roger >>> hashirama but the admirals are fodder to hashirama who could solo them.
@@johnrenalquizalas1197 @rain-mk6mf Both of yall are smoking if you think any version of kakashi is soloing one piece, gear 5 luffy solos that fodder verse. Kakashi isnt getting past any Yonko or admiral, and gets folded by any seraphim. fuck outta here
@@TheFellHeart hahahahahahaa........Even base Kakashi without Sharingan can solo One Piece verse so easily.....Even Shino can defeat Gear fifth Luffy so easily....
The thing with the water cancelation for mos of the admirals is not a valid point. Akainu can instantly vaporise water close to any amount of water thrown at him. Same for Kizaru. Aokiji can frezze the water. Adding the feats Akainu and Aokiji showed on Punk Hazzard by turning the whole island permanently to a vulcanic/arctic area they are much stronger then what we have seen at Marine Ford.
Nice point but not correct. Akainu is not fire. Even though he was superior to Ace , magma is weak to water. Water can cool down Magma. And aokiji can freeze water but Tobirama has water style attacks which is super compressed and FTL. Considering how he can cut God tree with water style and Itachi in part 1 Naruto used Water style which is confirmed to be Light Speed in Databook. Tobirama is supposed to be best water style user said by the creator himself. So its not wonder than his attacks would be faster or at least as fast as Itachi's. I don't think Aokiji can freeze sharp pinpointed water cutter moving in Light speed or atleast hypersonic speed. You can correct me if you think otherwise. I beleive this because I never saw aokiji freezing something coming this fast. He took his time to freeze the sea and WB weapon. He did freeze the tsunami wave pretty fast. But i don't think a precisioned attack can be freezed that easily without reacting , moving and countering at a superior speed Which aokiji never showed
one piece verse is too weak for verse battle. no one in one-piece can travel space-time and open dimensions. how are they gonna come to naruto verse only character with pocket dimension. like mirror dimesions like haku.
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Sooo, any possibility of a Medaka Box video?
Maybe Iihiko Shishime VS Beerus?
@@missyummy1040 what lmaooo
@@sbthesage2100 mhm~
Where do you get the numbers for the admirals? You make a claim without giving any reason or explanation as to why you think their moon level.
This is a genuine question. I’m just making it to MarineFord.
Last time I checked the Admirals, Yonko and such should low ball be country level and high ball (very generous) should be continental. And that’s just the fight with Luffy (Gear 5) and Kaido who the Admirals scale to.
I’m just curious.
@@Atlasbladeworks they’re are links in the description every I video use to calcs on certain feats characters do Kizaru threw a kick that was 10 exatons of TNT at 10% so at 100% he’d be moon level check vs battle wikis tiers and the other 2 admirals upscale from him it’s petty simple bro
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Thank you bro means a lot also thank you for your consistent support make sure to join my discord server so I can add you
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Hashirama's sage mode would slap the admirals since it's nature's energy, no?
No.Suigetsu, which has the ability to transform into a liquid form, is the closest thing to a logia in Naruto.
He is not actual water; rather, his chakra has transformed so that it behaves like water.We are aware that Jugo did nothing to defend himself from Suigestu while the latter was being punched even with sage chakra.Suigetsu then simply created a blob of water to surround Jugo's head.Hokage is unable to strike Logias.
@@joelwilness849 was it hashirama's sage mode though?
@@NoobGamer-mh4gj Bro it's both sage chakra , It's not any different from Naruto's, Minato's,Kabuto''s, Jiraiya/Koji, Jugo clan orthe cursed marks
the only difference is where the learned their sage mode from like the sage frogs, snakes and slugs
nature energy isnt the same as spiritual and physical energy. and spiritual energy and will power is what haki is
Good video, finally someone who I can agree with 😂
Yoooo, fire Vs battle! 🔥
Goated vid as always
It should be noted that chakra by its very nature, can allow the Kage to touch logias.
Armament Haki is form of Haki that allows the user to use their own spiritual energy to create, in essence, an invisible armor around themself.
Chakra is a combination of Physical energy and spiritual energy. Chakra by itself will allow the user to touch logias because of that.
Nah haki is the power of the will not spiritual energy
@@garteroid8892 Well it depends on translation. In some translations, chakra is a combination of Physical energy and Mental Energy instead of Spiritual energy. What this tells us is that spiritual energy and mental energy are interchangeable translations. So even if Haki is weaponized will power, Chakra can be said to be composed of Mental energy.
So by its very nature, chakra can allow the user to interact with logias.
@@jakequali7608 I still don't think that chakra can work against logia they're literally to different power systems, this is why I kinda hate topics about characters from different anime fighting because we don't know how they're power systems would interact
@@garteroid8892 Yes, the two series have different power systems and how those power systems react with their respective verse. But they still do share similar ingredients. Depending on translation whether it is spiritual energy or mental energy, chakra does have the means of interacting with logias. Plus there are evidences of chakra interacting with normally intangible objects or persons.
Chakra is very versatile and has been known to interact with spirits. Naruto was capable of interacting and even touching his own soul when he was in a chakra cloak. In the Last: Naruto Movie, Naruto cloaked his hand with chakra to phase through hinata’s chest to undo Toneri’s mind control.
Nope this is not the case
Sb is cooking with these videos ngl also Hokage slam😭
We the next gen power scalers bro 🤫
Don't know where you got the calcs which scales to exatons for both hokages and admirals(don't know if this is extreme ball for both),cuz bijju scale to island+ to small country level.
And the kages scaling to country at best.
And hashirama scaling to multicontinental,planatary with statements.
Admirals scale to continental+ to multicontinental.
Just check the calcs linked in the description and if you personally scale that way then that’s you
@@sbthesage2100 i heard that speed shouldn't be assumed to high relativistic etc from someone,but it's okay even if this way is assumed I just looked at the calcs from vs wiki for comparison.
And for kizaru calc each tree in shaboady is being assumed to be 1.7 times bigger than mount Everest etc.
So there might be a fault with pixel scaling etc.
I have 3 problems:
1. A bit lazy scaling om the speed one the admirals side, as they logically are faster than characters like Katakuri that was blitzing ftl characters, faster than bounce man and could still react to Snakeman after Luffy had become stronger.
2. you cant perception blitz future sight, although ofc you can still move fast enough to where its impossible to dodge
3. Tobirama's water isnt really doing anything as Aokiji has multiple feats of freezing massive amounts of water in an instant, Akainu is slightly stronger than Aokiji and a lot stronger than Sabo that could vaporize large amounts of water as well and Kizaru can fly
Ignore this video it will be remade
Why is every hokage vs. ahmiral Debate, they don't usually add the shadow clone, wood clone, water clone, and substitution jutsu.
Never thought of that will definitely add that next time lol I plan on remaking the video
And for admiral the never talk about, how aokiji flash 200 kilometres of an ocean and often time their stamina feat is ignored and no one takes it to consideration to actually analyze there power is always. Kizaru is light man he can shoot laser beans aokiji is ice can freeze and akainu being magma.
Fire vid
Thank you bro join the discord if you’re into scaling like this
@@sbthesage2100 I alr joined lol
1:10 Wouldn't really say Kizaru was going full power, seeing as he's relative to Aokiji and Akainu at this point. Those two previously mentioned needed their own island to fight on, seeing as they PERMANENTLY altered that said islands' weather. Both were realistically holding back since there were civilians/other parties present. This is consistent too since some of the Admirals (Fujitoro and Greenbull I believe?) were stating to be holding back in a fight against Sabo & Co in the celestial dragons land.
These One Piece top tiers would need an island to have a battle at full power. I'd say he was at MAX going 50%. That's a very high estimation, too, considering we see Rayleigh getting tired throughout their fight while Kizaru seems not affected at all.
I said he was going 10% man…. Idk what’s up with people and not listening 💀
@SB the Sage Damn must've misheard. My bad on that end. The speed part still stands
@@sbthesage2100 dude how do you get your calcs just curious
@@voidgod7178 there’s a link to the ones I used in the description
@@sbthesage2100 ok thank you
Seeing as both writers are friends to strongly deny any similarities is these comments is ludicrous
W video, the Hokage slam
Why haven’t you joined the discord yet bro
Yeah that's bullshit you can't say Sage mode is just a 10x amp that's bullshit when there statements statings it's beyond 10x
There’s not ?
@@sbthesage2100 clown
Let's be factual the Admirals eradicate the hokages however fast you are u can damage the admirals without haki, and for the water u said, Aokijji will just freeze it, now Akainu turning the whole battlefield into magma and also the one piece characters are way fast, Minato is the only from naruto who could match their speed. I have watched both series closely and mind you these are admirals without Awakenings. And they are most crazy stamina like they can fight for weeks 😂 and still have enough gas while the hokage have Chakra reserve limiting there stamina. Let's be honest Akainu, Aokiji and Kirazu are literally gods do know the meaning of being an element not just manipulating but being made of that element. Aah Admirals beat hokages that's a fact. I peaced our
Work you’re a one piece dick sucker you clearly didn’t hear the reasoning I gave or chose not to listen so this whole paragraph full of garbage means nothing
@@sbthesage2100 u feeling slick and calling it garbage won't change the bitter truth. I have watched both naruto and one piece so I also know.
@@sbthesage2100hokages have shown better feats in the final arc the war arc however the admirals the best feats we can is from Akainu and scale Aokiji and Kizaru to Akainu
@@GTS-dh9wj the admirals aren't allowed to go all out since they would change the land scape its literally shown that if they where to go all out they would permanently change there surroundings like Burning the sea or creating volcanos and this was not even on purpose so what are the hokage doing when Akainu turns the battlefield to magma and and starts burning The Shinsusenju or the wood golems and evaporates Tobiramas precious water and Hiruzen cant even get close enough to harm Akainu cuz he burns swords while just standing feet away or is Kizaru spams mini nukes in all Directions literally or if Aokiji freeze's the blood in there veins or just turns the battlefield to an ice block
Tobirama can just create a ocean making luffy not being able to move Tobirama can just kill him
Luffy’s not an Admiral.
Akainu burned surrounding water for 7 days and aokiji froze half an island plus the water around it almost instantaneously. Luffy can just turn it into rubber in gear 5. Moral of the story is a devil fruit user won’t just stand still and get hit by water, especially when they have future sight 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Man all of these videos about one piece vs naruto always come down to these ridiculous speed calcs. Can we just make them all somewhat relative to speed and debate that lol
this contest of speed is actually so wrong considering kizaru is the actual light itself. it will only make sense if they go to Olympic competition and had it settled there. 😂
so to put it short :
1 sage mod is mot a multiplayer watch the dygo knight video about naruto amps
2 admirals cannot make themselves intangible they are intangible and also they cannot only control their elements they are the elements
3 reaper death seal doesn’t work on them cuz they don’t have chakra and even if Op character had chakra Elements Don’t so in that exact moment when they ate their fruits they became magma ice and light respectively so this actually makes them nature energy basically walking sages
I found even more things wrong with this kinda scaling but i can’t bother saying those here but it was fun to bother with good video bud but admirals take this
A lot or things are wrong with this but you can join my discord and debate me later if you want
And also you got this so wrong is not thanks to future side take Katakuri for example he is not a logia he can transform his body in to mochi cuz he is a special paramecia and he can’t just be intangible he can make himself intangible but they are intangible take for example when crocodiles head gets cut off how could it happen without doffys strings making contact with his head and it being sand as it is just coming back in place by crocodile controlling it
Admirals don’t even have future side is so advanced for them to have 💀
@@sbthesage2100 yeah fo sure
you forgot to mention that hashirama captured and kept all the tailed beasts as his pets and gave them out to villages casually because he knew he could just take them back any time
One piece verse is just small Mountain level to Small Town level....Only Whitebeard is planet level in One piece verse
Yeah of course naruto is planet level for sure bruh only 10 tails can do that
you definitely dont watch or read one piece 💀
???
Wow this was the dumbest thing I read in alongggg time….. like holy shit please watch one piece your embarrassing yourself…….
You scaled the Admirals AP to moon lvl? Is it cause of the planet size difference?
Tobirama vs pirates wait a minute he has water style
I’m saying bruh 🤣 make sure to join the discord gang
Ok
literally this was already proved wrong cu Whitebeards attack caused a tsunami and aokiji froze it before it even fell down this tsunami was as large as an island and it came from both sides i dont think tobirama could flood an island as large as Marineford
4:22 why u assuming that the tail is as durable as the hand? We saw that Obito could cut Hachibi tails with normal shuriken attack.
Scale wasn’t reliable on that in the first place it was for flare
W fucking profile pic btw pls join the discord
@@sbthesage2100 I did
Pretty sure the admirals outscale the kage in terms of power when you consider the size of the one piece world. You also kinda lazily covered their speed feats without actually looking into how fast they actually are.
He's a bias scaler hyping up the hokage too much while weakening the stats of admirals. He doesn't even know one piece for sure 😂😂😂😂 trash channel can't power scale properly.
Bruh you can't say snake sage an toad sage are the same multipler when it's clearly not the case🤦 wtf kind of bullshit is that
Why is it bs the curse mark is not snake sage mode buddy the CM is just Jugos bootleg Sage mode so Minato who is a perfect sage should have the same if not a greater multiplier
@@sbthesage2100 curse mark is a water down snake Sage cause sage mode user are immune to genjustu which is shown when Sasuke used his curse mark to fight Itachi an Itachi had Sasuke under a genjustu an he broke through instantly with the curse mark 🤦 proof it's a form of sage mode
this is a google search scales so it's bs is unprecedented. 😂
@@stoppunchingme3870 skepticism you can’t actually debunk the pixel scaling
do madara vs white beard
I very much plan to do not worry
@@sbthesage2100 also can you do zoro vs sasuke just asking
@@Savage-e1z in due time
That’s not even fair for WB 😂
@@Luffytaro20 Ong
So I watched the video then ur subscribers and am shocked, thought u had been doing this for way longer
I’ve been watching power scaling videos since the original Seth and swag
facts
Really obvious that the hokage are superior to the admirals since no admiral has feats comparable to the kages who could create oceans , budda gods , shinigami , KCM , flying raigin , and six paths truth seeking obs of naruto or god forms like baryon mode which could scales up to defeat gods like ishikki
4:18
Also, didn't the third Raikage cut through 8 tails Bijudama and on got injured because he hit himself
I lost it when you said his casual kick was moon level lol. First of all he charged it for a hell long of a time and in no way how r u even calcing that feat at moon level lmao
Join my discord to debate me and there’s a link to calc in the description? Like every video I’ve ever made and he didn’t “charge” the kick he was standing over zoro casual af like this dude is bouta die let me just stomp him out real quick which is why I said he was 10% the kick is calced to 10 exatons which is multi Continental level therefore at 100% it’d obvi be 100 simple shit bro also the kage still scale higher so why does it matter To you ? Do you have something against one piece ?
@@sbthesage2100 I am not talking about kage so don't bring them into the equation. I don't hate op lol how u even come to that conclusion?
I am just saying ur calcs are ridiculous
@@sbthesage2100 ur website doesn't contain the calc for "kizaru moon busting kick" , it only states that his speed so how do u even came up with the moon busting calc?
The wb calc is also wrong lmao. First of all lifting the ocean up and down is a helll of a lot different than a tsunami.
And pixel scaling, using pixel scale on any manga pages is ridiculous especially op since oda has no sense of size with all the infamous noah arc and 100m sea king lol
@@sbthesage2100 if that kick was just "casual" Then why did his kick in his previous fights didn't destroyed the mountain or the town? It was charging up for so long that the whole crew was taking their turns trying to interrupt kizaru
Admirals stomp, except Hashirama, Madara, then Six Path level stomp one piece world unless one piece can show someone more hax. The hokage most of them are like higher warlord level in one piece.
Yonko(fleet admiral akainu)>Admiral>Yonko first right handman(backup admiral like Gion>warlord>HQ(elite)vice admiral>vice admiral > rear admiral
Hokage Wins 🔥🙌🤷🏻
Did you know that normal water is sea water
@@UNKNOWNL3G3ND you don’t need sea water to drown a devil fruit user very common misconception
@@sbthesage2100 that wasnt my point.
the whole sea water vs normal water argument is dumb. normal water also comes from the sea and its all connected. salt also weakens devil fruit power and that also points to the same fact.
I like the video but also hate the if they don't have haki the attacks won't work
Most logia are elemental characters and can be harmed by othe elemental attacks
It's not pokemon. Try water on Akainu and he will evaporate it before it hits him.
@@hackfleischking5162 pokemone have type advantages
it's pretty much shown in one piece energy or elemental attacks will harm logias
Example
White beard using an energy based attack on Akainu
@@ath477 That's not realy canon isn't it? White beard could have used haki in combination with his devil fruit. Just before the hit he grabed Akainus head with his bare hands. That was definetly Haki. It was never said that elements or energy effects them.
@@hackfleischking5162 true its never been stated that white beard used haki or that energy or elemental attacks would harm them
but there's nothing to say that elemental or energy attacks wouldn't effect them after all kizaru is made of light which would count as energy based rather then elemental we've seen logia user stalemate each other who's to say they can harm each other
@@ath477 true but every time that happened the Logia user also had haki. We have seen Logia users attacked with explosions which could be counted as energy or fire element based with no effect.
admirals are in mftl+ range in speed
i checked through Ur channel b4 I continued these VS battle vids
U originally do Naruto content so there is a clear bias even if u don't want to admit it but Gg video we move
Kizaru has never gone all out and he ain't the weakest that's I miss info bruh he wasn't considered for fleet admiral because he is lazy and easy going
Even aokiji didn't want to be fleet admiral but he fought for it because he didn't want akainu to rule the navy
I'm starting to doubt u bro lol 😂😂😂 This video is funny
How is it u think shooting water at them would immobilize them when aokiji could freeze 3 days worth of walking distance in an instant
Lol
I don’t even agree with this. Video so anymore but other than me starting with Naruto content what basis is there for me being bias I just released a video where Fujitora beats pain ? So pointing out issues such as me calling kizaru the weakest of the admirals to upscale the others and is poor evidence to support your claim also why do I care if you doubt me who are u exactly 😂 what makes you so smart cause your points are actually awful you quite literally can’t use your devil fruit when submerged in water this is literally day 1 thing explained ab so if Aokiji is in the water already which via the speed scaling which I presented would mean Aokiji would be submerged b4 he can react. So again your argument is horrible. Tho I don’t even agree with this video anymore so the scaling means nothing to me I just hope you work on formulating your opinion and stop being illogical and claiming bias bc a one piece character doesn’t win a vs matchup
W video overall. However, the Admiral's speeds were severely underestimated. In Thriller Bark, a heavily fatigued Zoro was able to dodge Kuma's Pad Canon attacks, which were stated to be lightspeed. Again, a heavily fatigued Zoro was able to do this. Zoro, at this point, is a low tier, seeing as Luffy was considered fodder by the end of the pre timeskip portion of the series yet is consistently portrayed stronger than Zoro when he gets Gear 2nd.
The beginning of the Timeskip happens, and we see a base form Luffy casually dodge a Pacifista's light beam attack, the same light beam attack that is stated to be Kizaru's light attacks by X Drake pre timeskip. We know this attack would bare minimum be lightspeed considering Kizaru is a literal lightman. Luffy also calls it too slow, then proceeds to blitz, and one shot a pacifista in Gear 2nd.
Remember, it took the whole crew to barely defeat a pacifista. This crew consists of Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy. Scaling Sanji and Luffy off of Zoro also gets them to bare minimum FTL based on a fatigued Zoro being able to dodge lightspeed attacks. Sanji and Luffy should be just straight up faster than Zoro at this point, that's my reasoning for Sanji and Luffy being FTL in pre timeskip. Again, these three specific FTL characters/versions are fodder against their post timeskip counterparts.
So start of post timeskip Luffy blitzes a pacifista capable of keeping up with three FTL characters + several weaker supporting characters.
Why am I bringing up Luffy & Co? I'll explain in a minute.
So then jump to Dressrosa. Luffy and Law need to team up together to fight against Doflamingo. So Doflamingo is being able to keep these two, who are MFTL+ minimum based off scaling + forms/powers, with anywhere from low-mid difficulty at certain points in the fight. Luffy pulls out Gear 4th and starts blitzing Doflamingo, the same guy capable of fighting/perceiving these characters that also fight at MFTL+ speeds. In the anime, it doesn't look like Gear 4th is absolutely dominating, but in the manga, Doffy is being beaten badly.
Skip to Whole Cake Island. Cracker is able to keep up Gear 4th Luffy much easier than Doflamingo, to the point he is going evenly with Gear 4th. Skip to the Katakuri fight, Gear 4th Luffy gets DOMINATED by Katakuri, but he is able to cliff Gear 4th at the beginning of the fight in Base. Now we see a base Luffy able to compete with Katakuri through haki blooms.
Skip to Wano when Luffy fights Kaido for the first time, we his current, stronger/faster Gear 4th get blitzes by base Kaido. At this point, Luffy in Gear 4th is easily into the MFTL+. Luffy then trains, and AGAIN cliffs his previous Gear 4th power in base. Kaido then goes into his hybrid mode, which is an exponential stat multiplier, as stated in Empel Down/Ennis Lobby, that hybrid forms boost the user's stats exponentially.
So after all that babbling, what am I saying? So, as we know, the emperors are stated to be relative to each other ( including old man whiteboard and before the new emporors ). Now let's look at how Akainu packed up old man whitebeard. Kizaru should be relative to this Akainu, the same Akainu who dominated an old whiteboard relative to the other emperors. All these emperors are able to fight at/perceive MFTL+ speeds.
Looking at other admirals, this case being Greenbull. Greenbull was confident enough to fight the alliance in Wano even after Kaido's defeat and only left because of another emperor crew being there.
My point being, these admirals have been shown to easily fight/ perceive MFTL+ speeds, and it being constant considering low tiers are able to scale to FTL+ in pre timeskip.
Overall, W video, of course. I just think the speed was downplayed on the Admirals part.
Is it not that creating the pad attack is light speed but the attack itself doesn’t move at light speed. Otherwise zoro should easy dodge and avoid kizaru.
@Watever Depends, cause you could take it as Kuma storing air pressure inside the paw bubbles and launching those bubbles at lightspeed or what you just said. Also, it depends on the translation. Let's ignore that, though.
In an sbs, when asked by a fan about how fast you would need to be to dodge Enel's lightning, Oda (The One Piece Author) states, "You would need to duck at lightspeed" and seeing as Usopp and Nami were able to dodge Enel's lightning bolt attack, you could unironically get them to lightspeed reaction time. Though, most people won't take that statement seriously even though it was directly from the authors quote. Let's just say that Usopp and Nami have lightning reaction time.
Hell, we know devil fruits can be trained to be pushed beyond their limitations and awakened, so Enel could very well make his lightning faster than real lightning.
Now addressing Zoro not being able to dodge Kizaru, let's take what I said about Devil Fruits being able to be pushed beyond their abilities. Kizaru is a devil fruit user, and being an admiral, he'd have not only mastery over Haki but also his Devil Fruit. He could very well make his light go beyond lightspeed. It's not that crazy considering Devil Fruit abilities can be trained beyond their initial limits and the fact that Kizaru can manipulate light into a sword.
Also, add in the fact that Zoro was not fully recovered from receiving all of Luffy's pain in Thriller Bark and therefore couldn't dodge a suppressed Kizaru
@@watever9162 he passed out during that fight and hadnt healed from thrillerbark yet and the rest of the crew could barely dodge them so he couldnt dodge cuz he passed out after fighting the pasifista
Bruh nah why your not using there edo tensi versions see that's bullshit
Admirals moon level?
Completely disagree with this video just can’t travel back in time 💀 I promise it will be re made tho
Bro how can you say that kizaru' attack is moon level while litteraly showing it and anyone with eyes being able to see that it clearly didnt destroy sabaody so by that not even being island level even if that was only 10% (wich full power lets say it could destroy the entire island, at best he would be island level), so all you scaling for one piece after that is just nonsense. And the island level is actually consistent because akainu and kuzan going all out completly changed punk hazard island, so again the admirals are consistent island level and at max like small country level.
Chinjao solos Naruto, dont bring an admiral there :D
Bijuu bomb is super duper very beyond Multiverse level....... Hashirama is super duper very very very very beyond Multiverse level....
The kage have no FTL feats
KCM Naruto and minato blitz the stated light speed raikage at 73x FTL cope
Also you can debate this in my discord linked in the description with the speed calc
@@sbthesage2100 Raikage??? That boy is at the speed of lightning which has been stated to be only near the speed of light. That is not speed of light. That is definitely not faster than the speed of light. Luffy is FTL in gear 2 alone. That’s before his gear 4/5 speed amps and any Haki amps.
@@danieljamesfarquharson8421 I see ppl like you all the time if you wanna debate me the discord servers in the description also the translation is like light and that’s in reference to V1 raikage therefore he’s the TSOL and FTL in V2 cloak also I don’t know where you’re getting he’s only lightning speed from just bc his armor is lightning that’s so real meat head shit
@@sbthesage2100 bruh haha 😂😂😂 the databook you shown literally said almost light speed which is lighning.
You just took kcm from Minato so I alr know your biased
But the kage won ?
@@sbthesage2100 biased as f.
Beo u didn't even put post tine skip characters and said naruto charcaters are faster without even calculating the admirals soeed. Bias much????
he used yonko scales after time skip and they all scale way above admirals lol
@@drama8335 no they don't in terms if speed,the admirals scale to luffy who could be said to be thousands of time ftl
@@Edolph_6m lol not even close luffy shows barely light speed after time skip if even
@@drama8335 bruh zoro pre time skip without any haki dodges light soeed attack with ease,Whatchu talking about???
@@Edolph_6m haki has not been proven to boost your speed so you can't aruge that
There is no proof that kizaru is the weakest. He just prefer to follow orders.
1 og admiral > all hokage combined with kakashi susanoo except naruto.
yea admirals neg diff
Admirals speed blitz and dura neg
Yeah it isnt close because of speed and ap. I disagree that naruto is just faster than one piece eg roger >>> hashirama but the admirals are fodder to hashirama who could solo them.
1 admiral solo hokage
Even base Kakashi can solo One Piece verse so easily...Even Darui can solo all Admirals,Yonko and Shichibukai.
If you are talking about Naruto shippuden with no ms then no, if you are talking about boruto then yea
@@rain-mk6mf War arc Kakashi even without Ms can solo One Piece verse so easily...Kakashi had already copied over thousands of jutsu.
@@johnrenalquizalas1197 @rain-mk6mf Both of yall are smoking if you think any version of kakashi is soloing one piece, gear 5 luffy solos that fodder verse. Kakashi isnt getting past any Yonko or admiral, and gets folded by any seraphim. fuck outta here
@@TheFellHeart hahahahahahaa........Even base Kakashi without Sharingan can solo One Piece verse so easily.....Even Shino can defeat Gear fifth Luffy so easily....
@@TheFellHeart Darui can solo all Admirals,Yonko and Shichibukai.
"Promo SM"
This is garbage my guy.
All Hokage is super duper very very very beyond Multiverse level...
bruh your the reason why this video had some likes 🤣🤣 you have a brain for naruto wank absurd scale.
The thing with the water cancelation for mos of the admirals is not a valid point. Akainu can instantly vaporise water close to any amount of water thrown at him. Same for Kizaru. Aokiji can frezze the water. Adding the feats Akainu and Aokiji showed on Punk Hazzard by turning the whole island permanently to a vulcanic/arctic area they are much stronger then what we have seen at Marine Ford.
Just join the discord we can debate if you want
@@sbthesage2100 bruh 💀💀 reply with actual facts. waste of time to join your discord when all your subscribers had the mentality of biased naruto fans.
@@stoppunchingme3870 there are a lot of one piece fans in my server
Nice point but not correct.
Akainu is not fire. Even though he was superior to Ace , magma is weak to water.
Water can cool down Magma.
And aokiji can freeze water but Tobirama has water style attacks which is super compressed and FTL.
Considering how he can cut God tree with water style and Itachi in part 1 Naruto used Water style which is confirmed to be Light Speed in Databook.
Tobirama is supposed to be best water style user said by the creator himself.
So its not wonder than his attacks would be faster or at least as fast as Itachi's.
I don't think Aokiji can freeze sharp pinpointed water cutter moving in Light speed or atleast hypersonic speed.
You can correct me if you think otherwise.
I beleive this because I never saw aokiji freezing something coming this fast. He took his time to freeze the sea and WB weapon.
He did freeze the tsunami wave pretty fast.
But i don't think a precisioned attack can be freezed that easily without reacting , moving and countering at a superior speed Which aokiji never showed
Both fire and magma is weak to Naruto’s verse water. This is logic. The only real terror is Aokiji.
Even one clone of Hashirama can solo One Piece verse so easily
one piece verse is too weak for verse battle.
no one in one-piece can travel space-time and open dimensions.
how are they gonna come to naruto verse
only character with pocket dimension. like mirror dimesions like haku.
? are you dumb sir.? one piece >>>>>>>>>>> naruto