Plenty of people buying chinese saws and had good results. Plus they are a great cheap platform for dipping your hat into the porting/modding side of things and upgrading them with quality cylinders and pistons from well known companies!
Good honest review Boedy, I like that you are reviewing from just a home owner point of view, a good perspective would be what a rental place would charge for a 2 day rental of a 62cc saw would be. Thanks for your videos I really enjoyed the hustle. You have came a long ways since I started watchin. Chainsaw are addicting for sure....thanks again
These newer China saws are actually getting to be good Ranch/Farm saws. Not logging for a living but dealing with clearing, dead falls, etc. year round. I'm just a homeowner, 70y.o., but supplement heating with a Fireplace insert. Last year I cut up about 13 cords(Planning for the future), only one so far this year.(rain/rain and more rain) Ive only had one suffer a clutch failure and that was my lack of maintenance. Everything I cut is hardwood so I know Brodies review is spot on.
It’s good to see Chinese clones that aren’t junk. I’d guess most homeowners aren’t needing 62cc, and they probably default to an entry level Stihl or Echo for around the same price or even less (albeit with a much smaller engine and bar). It will be interesting to see the longevity of the Proyamas.
Great to see another higher quality Zenoah clone👍🏻 Yeah, sometimes those reviews online from those who are clearly less than well versed with the products they're reviewing are borderline comical🤨😅
I found these for 150, and the wemars for 78, im definitely keeping a close eye on the competition, doing my research, thanks for the review b everything I was looking to find out right here.
I must have been lucky, mine came with 20" + 24". I think the more reputable Chinese manufacturers are improving quality as they go, others are take the money and run. Great video, we need these honest opinions!
Was impressed with reviews and had one of these ordered. After 2 weeks of back and forth and still no saw I forced a refund(AliExpress) and ended up catching a HUS372xp/24" Bar/chain combo with a discount from Amazon. $190.00 to my door tax included. Wasn't what I originally wanted but after getting it setup and the carb. adjusted I am very pleased. I added a NeoTec 28" Bar/chain combo deal for $49(heavily discounted for the holidays) Happy with the decision, but still like the idea of adding the Proyama......... maybe after I can sell a few of my other saws - Have to keep the wife happy.
Thanx for the review! Looking forward to bigger wood vids. My concern is , does it last? Forward it to someone that (ab)use it for 20+ hours followed with an updated review. You are the one to make it happen. Interesting stuff.
They have a trimmer multi tool set up ive been seriously thinking of buying for my lawn care buisness but not knowing their quality ive been hesitant. Judging by what you've seen so far you think its worth a shot?
A couple questions. What is squish? Is it the same chassis as the other Zenoah clones, or are the cases a little bigger, bigger bearings ... or is it same plastics, caps, etc. I know the air filter is different (so cover may be taller). Looked pretty grunty out of the box with that open port cylinder. How do they get away with that nice open can muffler when everyone else is putting cats and/or strato? The 2 laminate bars and chisel chain alone are worth 50 bucks. And, you get a new saw that runs really good (My 80 dollar Zenoah clone is a decent little saw, a little vibey, but runs really good - and probably on the 6th season, though I have a lot of other saws I like more - but pretty light and strong - it is ported now though, so that's not really fair ... heh heh).
The Chinese manufacturers include the volume of the squish area above the piston in their calculation for measuring the cc's of a 2 stroke motor. I learned this from years of building motorized bikes using the little Chinese 2 strokes. They sell these 66cc motors as 80cc. This is common knowledge to those of us involved in the hobby. I can't tell you whether this is a shady marketing ploy or just their way of measuring cylinder volume. This practice could possibly be the reason why the saw does not measure out to the claimed volume. I bought a Neo-tec 872i ( comes with upgraded cylinder, crank, coil and a Walbro carb) last year. I added an Eagan Straight Shot muffler. I run 24'" and 28" bars. It is a beast. Fit and finish is maybe 85%, but nothing that has affected the performance. 40:1 with non -ethanol 90 and Royal Purple oil. Revs out crisp and clean with zero cylinder deposits. Excellent value for $350.
I have heard this explanation before. I still will cut them zero slack. I think it is either shady or it is ignorant, and I do not think they are ignorant. So yeah, they are purposefully trying to trick the consumer.
Arre the Proyama saws compatible with name brand machines? Worried about needing a chain or bar on the weekend and not being able to get a replacement on a Saturday or Sunday
Just putting in my vote for your trip to China. I would definitely buy a hot 50cc class Chinese clone closed port saw. Probably buy more than one as long as it isn't a clamsheĺl. And yes , truth in advertising. If it is 62, call it a 62. I would like it if you weighed the saws you review like dyno joe does. I don't know exactly what is up but I handled a cs4910 at home depot for the first time the other day . Now it was in their rental dept. which means it is absolutely reliable. They used to rent only Makitas. They only had 2 saws for rent, a 4910 and a 590. That being said echo claims the 4910 weighs 10.6 lbs . Found a claimed weight of 10 lbs for a poulan 3050 online. Same saw as my 4620 but 49cc. The cs4910 feels like an absolute pig compared to my 4620. Kind of surprised me actually.
Like you said before. The Japanese did it with the motorcycle to eventually be the best in the world. The Chinease saws will one day be pretty good too. They are definitely improving!
The lack of original designs is what concerns me on that. Without the lessons you learn in research and development you don't gain the knowledge to make something exceptional.
Engine kicks back when it stops on compression, and can sometimes break the starter. By holding a length of rope pulled the launcher cushions the shock and does not break. “Easy start” starters absorb this shock automatically without pulling the rope.
If you watched his box opening of the chainsaw earlier in the day, it doesn't need one. The factory muffler is wide open with no baffles. It's amazing actually.
Zenoah clone? (Have a real Zenoah engine, and am wondering about *oil.* Trying to build consensus, and am wondering if these like Maxima K2, which I already have and wonder if I made a mistake.)
LOL - haven't purchased any in recent years that had an issue out of the box. Not that I'd trust any of the Top handle saws. Half of those have no chain brake, just a hand guard.
I like to see a comparison of this compare to my black max BM 5820 20 inch 50cc chainsaw which I think has a lot of balls and it's about the same price as this
You could covert it to that pretty easy. The 3/8 sprocket doesn't care the thickness of the chain but you do have to get the correct Husky bar for it. That's what I bought and it fit.
5:43 I spent hours trying to get mine running to no avail. 300+ pulls and it will not fire. Proper fuel mix, 91 octane no ethanol fuel, checked spark plug, followed manual instructions implicitly, watched YT videos....saw just would not fire up, even after 300+ pulls. Already started the refund process. Guess I'll just stick to my Stihls and Husqavarnas.
And, though it doesn't matter really, I'll bet that Proyama when it breaks in would beat the echo 590 by a small margin - but the 590's are a great bang for the buck too - mine was 360 off ebay - a while ago, they are probably 500 now? And, I know everyone hates 590's but I like mine. I don't care if it is slightly slower and heavier than a Husq 562 or Stihl 362. It cuts within a second or 2 max, and runs really good.
If you pull the cylinder look and see if it has a 48 on one of the 4 sides. That might very well be the cylinder you got. I have 2 of them. The piston is 47.8ish mm the stroke is 34mm on my saw. 61.5 actual CC. It's OK but the transfers are too small for the CC of the motor.
If yours is similar to mine the clutch isn't really happy with keeping up with the motor. Mine gets hot when I really push it. I put a 24" 3/8 .058 Husky bar on it and the clutch on mine really doesn't like pushing that.
If you "big bore" a 54.5cc platform with that top end you have to machine 1.5mm x 7.2.m off of the entire top of the crankcase minus the transfers. I will be happy to provide a link of where to buy the top end kit.
I had a 48mm bore 61.5cc one of these called a timberpro years ago, it didnt run any better than the 54.5cc joncutter version. The ports just cant feed the extra displacement so it didnt perform like a 61cc saw, I told people it was a 50 because it ran like one. The clutch also dosnt like long bars, I run 16 inch bars on these saws to save the clutch. I dont care about the 61.5cc version of this saw, I like the 54cc better, it pulls more rpm and cuts faster in most everything I cut.
Ya, I have a 460. it's built like a tank. good saw, but my Zenoah clones are just as good for a fraction of the money. Not dissing Husky, I love them, The Zenoahs have Husky design roots. @@skrompf
@@skrompfI agree. For a home owner saw you can't go wrong with a rancher. You can't even compare the build quality between a Chinese saw and a husky, Stihl or echo, they are on completely different levels.
Well… there goes the neighborhood DIY homeowners see this they’ll never hire anyone again …they can’t afford it anyway “barefoot” On line accounting degree here I come!! That’ll give my 620 a run for its money. I bet it’s lighter too.
Plenty of people buying chinese saws and had good results. Plus they are a great cheap platform for dipping your hat into the porting/modding side of things and upgrading them with quality cylinders and pistons from well known companies!
Good honest review Boedy, I like that you are reviewing from just a home owner point of view, a good perspective would be what a rental place would charge for a 2 day rental of a 62cc saw would be. Thanks for your videos I really enjoyed the hustle. You have came a long ways since I started watchin. Chainsaw are addicting for sure....thanks again
These newer China saws are actually getting to be good Ranch/Farm saws. Not logging for a living but dealing with clearing, dead falls, etc. year round.
I'm just a homeowner, 70y.o., but supplement heating with a Fireplace insert. Last year I cut up about 13 cords(Planning for the future), only one so far this year.(rain/rain and more rain) Ive only had one suffer a clutch failure and that was my lack of maintenance. Everything I cut is hardwood so I know Brodies review is spot on.
It’s good to see Chinese clones that aren’t junk. I’d guess most homeowners aren’t needing 62cc, and they probably default to an entry level Stihl or Echo for around the same price or even less (albeit with a much smaller engine and bar). It will be interesting to see the longevity of the Proyamas.
Good backup saw for cutting firewood and they sound good when they run
Really nice saw! Might have to get me one!
Great to see another higher quality Zenoah clone👍🏻 Yeah, sometimes those reviews online from those who are clearly less than well versed with the products they're reviewing are borderline comical🤨😅
I found these for 150, and the wemars for 78, im definitely keeping a close eye on the competition, doing my research, thanks for the review b everything I was looking to find out right here.
Run it with the .325 chain and short bar and see how it stacks up against the 55 builds.
Yup...I think 20 inch bar .325 chain is the ticket with that saw in stock form
I must have been lucky, mine came with 20" + 24". I think the more reputable Chinese manufacturers are improving quality as they go, others are take the money and run. Great video, we need these honest opinions!
Was impressed with reviews and had one of these ordered. After 2 weeks of back and forth and still no saw I forced a refund(AliExpress) and ended up catching a HUS372xp/24" Bar/chain combo with a discount from Amazon. $190.00 to my door tax included.
Wasn't what I originally wanted but after getting it setup and the carb. adjusted I am very pleased. I added a NeoTec 28" Bar/chain combo deal for $49(heavily discounted for the holidays)
Happy with the decision, but still like the idea of adding the Proyama......... maybe after I can sell a few of my other saws - Have to keep the wife happy.
Look at how straight those cookie logs are. Amazing.
Thanx for the review! Looking forward to bigger wood vids. My concern is , does it last? Forward it to someone that (ab)use it for 20+ hours followed with an updated review. You are the one to make it happen. Interesting stuff.
I’d spend $50 more and get a Holtzforma g372 xp and put my own bar and chain on it and it will blow that 62 cc saw away.
I happen to see right now at the same exact thing on AliExpress 199 dollars I'm thinking I should buy that sounds incredible in free shipping
Sooner or later I will have to play with one of these.
They have a trimmer multi tool set up ive been seriously thinking of buying for my lawn care buisness but not knowing their quality ive been hesitant. Judging by what you've seen so far you think its worth a shot?
It seems for what it is it's pretty good like to see how long it lasts
Looks pretty similar to the 455 rancher from what i can see what do you think
A couple questions. What is squish? Is it the same chassis as the other Zenoah clones, or are the cases a little bigger, bigger bearings ... or is it same plastics, caps, etc. I know the air filter is different (so cover may be taller). Looked pretty grunty out of the box with that open port cylinder. How do they get away with that nice open can muffler when everyone else is putting cats and/or strato? The 2 laminate bars and chisel chain alone are worth 50 bucks. And, you get a new saw that runs really good (My 80 dollar Zenoah clone is a decent little saw, a little vibey, but runs really good - and probably on the 6th season, though I have a lot of other saws I like more - but pretty light and strong - it is ported now though, so that's not really fair ... heh heh).
The Chinese manufacturers include the volume of the squish area above the piston in their calculation for measuring the cc's of a 2 stroke motor. I learned this from years of building motorized bikes using the little Chinese 2 strokes. They sell these 66cc motors as 80cc. This is common knowledge to those of us involved in the hobby. I can't tell you whether this is a shady marketing ploy or just their way of measuring cylinder volume. This practice could possibly be the reason why the saw does not measure out to the claimed volume. I bought a Neo-tec 872i ( comes with upgraded cylinder, crank, coil and a Walbro carb) last year. I added an Eagan Straight Shot muffler. I run 24'" and 28" bars. It is a beast. Fit and finish is maybe 85%, but nothing that has affected the performance. 40:1 with non -ethanol 90 and Royal Purple oil. Revs out crisp and clean with zero cylinder deposits. Excellent value for $350.
I have heard this explanation before. I still will cut them zero slack. I think it is either shady or it is ignorant, and I do not think they are ignorant. So yeah, they are purposefully trying to trick the consumer.
I would like to see a review of the ms660 neotec if possible. Thinking about buying one
What quality is the bar ?😊
That really does seem alright.
Seems to run pretty well. I’d get it broke in and then port it or at least try advancing the timing.
Arre the Proyama saws compatible with name brand machines? Worried about needing a chain or bar on the weekend and not being able to get a replacement on a Saturday or Sunday
This is sexy content. You made my day. And this cylinder set with open muffler sounds great. I like it.
Is Imperial up or down??
I think it’s down?
How close is it to a Redmax G621av?
Just putting in my vote for your trip to China. I would definitely buy a hot 50cc class Chinese clone closed port saw. Probably buy more than one as long as it isn't a clamsheĺl. And yes , truth in advertising. If it is 62, call it a 62. I would like it if you weighed the saws you review like dyno joe does. I don't know exactly what is up but I handled a cs4910 at home depot for the first time the other day . Now it was in their rental dept. which means it is absolutely reliable. They used to rent only Makitas. They only had 2 saws for rent, a 4910 and a 590. That being said echo claims the 4910 weighs 10.6 lbs . Found a claimed weight of 10 lbs for a poulan 3050 online. Same saw as my 4620 but 49cc. The cs4910 feels like an absolute pig compared to my 4620. Kind of surprised me actually.
Like you said before. The Japanese did it with the motorcycle to eventually be the best in the world. The Chinease saws will one day be pretty good too. They are definitely improving!
The lack of original designs is what concerns me on that. Without the lessons you learn in research and development you don't gain the knowledge to make something exceptional.
I’m curious, why do you pull the cord out a bit before shutting the saw down? Thanks
Engine kicks back when it stops on compression, and can sometimes break the starter.
By holding a length of rope pulled the launcher cushions the shock and does not break.
“Easy start” starters absorb this shock automatically without pulling the rope.
Could you put it up against the new wemars 6220 you just got
What does it weigh?😊
Compliment from me today 😊
Craftsman 46cc 20" bar is about $220.ish +tax.
So this 62cc should be worth it
Poulan pro . ?😊
Which is better Wemars or Proyama?
Can you try the Amazon supmix 62 cc I purchased it and it works pretty well I just think it’s to loud any tips on making it less loud
Wear hearing protection. It has a muffler that enhances its performance most likely. A quieter one will reduce it.
pretty decent power out of the box. plastics and av junk or decent quality? wonder what a muff mod would do?
If you watched his box opening of the chainsaw earlier in the day, it doesn't need one. The factory muffler is wide open with no baffles. It's amazing actually.
Zenoah clone? (Have a real Zenoah engine, and am wondering about *oil.* Trying to build consensus, and am wondering if these like Maxima K2, which I already have and wonder if I made a mistake.)
Maybe an echo cs590 contender?
Reed saw?
Try a Huyosen chainsaw. In my opinion, that brand makes the best clones. Proyama is a good option, but Huyosen is more accurate with advertising.
Taking into consideration it's country of origin, I would have given the chain brake a quick test before the first cut.
LOL - haven't purchased any in recent years that had an issue out of the box. Not that I'd trust any of the Top handle saws. Half of those have no chain brake, just a hand guard.
I like to see a comparison of this compare to my black max BM 5820 20 inch 50cc chainsaw which I think has a lot of balls and it's about the same price as this
I've got stock 590. Muffler has extra hole. Proyama seems much much better than the p o s 372 holzforma I got
It would be nice if it came with a 20" bar 3/8 .050 72 links.
You could covert it to that pretty easy. The 3/8 sprocket doesn't care the thickness of the chain but you do have to get the correct Husky bar for it. That's what I bought and it fit.
Agreed, and I have done that, just would make getting chains and bars easier. @@MrBooMY3
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I’d say for $259.99 no -brainer for a camp saw to being left in a tractor! I was going to say runs similar to a Echo 590 stock.
Not bad but I think Id rather a Holtzforma G372 for around the same price. Cheers
5:43 I spent hours trying to get mine running to no avail. 300+ pulls and it will not fire. Proper fuel mix, 91 octane no ethanol fuel, checked spark plug, followed manual instructions implicitly, watched YT videos....saw just would not fire up, even after 300+ pulls.
Already started the refund process. Guess I'll just stick to my Stihls and Husqavarnas.
Be nice to see these test cuts in hardwood.
And, though it doesn't matter really, I'll bet that Proyama when it breaks in would beat the echo 590 by a small margin - but the 590's are a great bang for the buck too - mine was 360 off ebay - a while ago, they are probably 500 now? And, I know everyone hates 590's but I like mine. I don't care if it is slightly slower and heavier than a Husq 562 or Stihl 362. It cuts within a second or 2 max, and runs really good.
$449 at my local Home Depot.
Interesting
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If you pull the cylinder look and see if it has a 48 on one of the 4 sides. That might very well be the cylinder you got. I have 2 of them. The piston is 47.8ish mm the stroke is 34mm on my saw. 61.5 actual CC. It's OK but the transfers are too small for the CC of the motor.
If yours is similar to mine the clutch isn't really happy with keeping up with the motor. Mine gets hot when I really push it. I put a 24" 3/8 .058 Husky bar on it and the clutch on mine really doesn't like pushing that.
If you "big bore" a 54.5cc platform with that top end you have to machine 1.5mm x 7.2.m off of the entire top of the crankcase minus the transfers. I will be happy to provide a link of where to buy the top end kit.
I've bought 3 different "62cc" saws and all 3 were 54 5cc. I had to buy my own top end to ensure I got one.
I had a 48mm bore 61.5cc one of these called a timberpro years ago, it didnt run any better than the 54.5cc joncutter version. The ports just cant feed the extra displacement so it didnt perform like a 61cc saw, I told people it was a 50 because it ran like one. The clutch also dosnt like long bars, I run 16 inch bars on these saws to save the clutch.
I dont care about the 61.5cc version of this saw, I like the 54cc better, it pulls more rpm and cuts faster in most everything I cut.
havent seen this in a 24 yet
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Half the money of a 460 Rancher and just as much saw, just as good too.
certainly easier to work on than 4xx huskies i guarantee.
Rancher's last a life time if you don't fuck them up. My 5 cent.
Ya, I have a 460. it's built like a tank. good saw, but my Zenoah clones are just as good for a fraction of the money. Not dissing Husky, I love them, The Zenoahs have Husky design roots. @@skrompf
@@skrompfI agree. For a home owner saw you can't go wrong with a rancher. You can't even compare the build quality between a Chinese saw and a husky, Stihl or echo, they are on completely different levels.
Nothing wrong with that , get 3 years of home firewood and it’s a bargain.😊
Shouldve got a pinkway saw it will walk the dog on the proyama lol for $120
Drop off 1 of the bar and the price down with the other at around 125 see how that sells
I want to see it head to head with a cs590 or 620
When you are done making video's with that saw, sell it to me.
Chinese clone saws , don't just cut wood with them, collect them. 😀
Cutting with Chinese saw then log makes Chinese eyes at 4:48. Juss sayn.
Well… there goes the neighborhood
DIY homeowners see this they’ll never hire anyone again …they can’t afford it anyway “barefoot”
On line accounting degree here I come!!
That’ll give my 620 a run for its money. I bet it’s lighter too.
Bro, american do the same all over 😂 exemple... a raptor 700r is actually 670 cc something
Hey buddy, that thing sounds peppy!.
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