This Keyboard is Powered by MAGNETS! H1-HERA (HALL EFFECT)
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2022
- #Keybored This Keyboard is Powered by MAGNETS! H1-HERA
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If you're tired of the same old "Mechanical Keyboard," something new is here! Check out how Hephboard uses the "Hall Effect" to create a switch that is both smooth and customizable to bring more options to the keyboard hobby!
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It's nice to see a keyboard UA-camr other than Chyrosran22 talk in-depth about alternative switch technology and the potential for innovation. These alternative products don't get enough attention or analysis in the enthusiast side of the hobby. One very interesting point of comparison I've noticed from trying contact-less switch types like this are that linears are smooth in a more "frictionless" way, as opposed to a thick lubed MX linear that feels more "buttery". The additional points of friction in the metal contacts usually gives more points for lube to affect the switch feel. So contactless switches are perfect for those who prefer that kind of airy smoothness and who don't want to bother with lubing, although lubing may still improve the sound.
Definitely, the lack of leaf and stem leg interaction does make the switch feel smoother for sure. I didn't even have to rip the thing apart and put krytox on it either. Hope we can see more innovations come out in the future!
How is that innovative? LMAO
my 1970s terminal keyboard has Hall effect switches.
I'm ready for more hall effect switch and board options! Imagine designers implement both MX and Hall PCB options with their kits, the same way there was some MX & ALPs compatible (though I imagine it would require a different PCB design). Cheers!
Great video as always and very appreciative of the explanation of these rarely seen/reviewed switch types. It makes me very curious about this board and the potential of their linear switch variation. Thanks again Scott!
:) No Problem! Glad it was helpful!
as a matter of fact, Redragon recently launched their version of hall effect switches (called Polaris) and implemented that into their new keyboard, the Kumara Pro. It's really amazing that companies are thinking out of the box to deliver more variety of products!
How much is it? i just bought k552 lol
How is that new? LMAO
my 1970s terminal keyboard has Hall effect switches.
@@manuel0578 I don't think most people realize that most modern PC's are x86 which has been around since the late 70s. The PC industry doesn't innovate it just waits for people to forget history and drown in techno-babble-marketing-terms before re-releasing the same thing over again but "improved," rebranded and with LEDs.
A in depth view on hall effect switches is much appreciated. Last one i've seen was from chyros. Well done!
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I had a Steelseries Apex Pro for a while 3 years ago when I was first getting into keyboards. Definitely ridiculously smooth. I have a Wooting 60HE coming which a really cool technology where the key registers as up or down as soon as you change directions with no set activation point. For gaming, this means you can A/D strafe faster. Whether that tiny bit of extra speed means anything is up for debate though 😅
Love the technicalities of your videos. You do really great explainers
:) Thank you!
Nice. I have keyboard with hall-effect switches which is around 35 years old.
I wish you had released this earlier! I just ordered a secondary keyboard for silent gaming and this would have been perfect. Thank you for introducing me to something you, scott
:) No problem!
Wow! This is really innovative!! I love it 😄
Thank you! I hope more technology makes its way into the keyboards!
Awesome video, so cool to see some innovation!
Yup! Innovation!
wait that's actually a sick concept, cant wait to see where this takes the keyboard and the gaming industry
Great video, very impressed to see this innovative switch technology. Think about changing my old keyboard.
It's a great option for the office or work for sure. Not much frills, but can be a good every day!
Its also obviously nice for gaming, being analog and all
Adjusting actuation points on the fly is already excellent, i think sending analogue signals with each key press to the computer would need a lot more advanced drivers and take more processing power. Durability is the strongest point for me though
Great video and explainations
Adjustable actuation would be a really cool feature. Hope that becomes available more
Wow. Interesting video!
what a beautiful looking board
Great video. Also got send a board as well. Can't wait to review it long-term! Also, can I link your video in my description for viewers than want to get into the nitty gritty with the hall-effect switches? thanks :)
No problem! Thanks!
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@@q_u_a_c_c agreed
I’ve been thinking and maybe the real selling point is the ability to show off your switches on your refrigerator.
The idea of being able to stick my switches on my refrigerator just sounds amazing.
Thanks for recording and publishing in 1440p.
Wow man just wow! you are something else. what an amazing video:) any chance for a switch review on the Gateron north pole?
Yup! I have a batch on it's way! I have been loving gateron offerings lately, so I'm excited for them!
The once again great Physics lesson from Scott himself! I unironically learned more here rather than my actual physics class
:) Haha glad to hear that!
this is actually super cool. would be VERY applicable for a gaming macropad
I hope more manufacturers try new things!
nice job team
I would like to thank UA-cam for sending me the notification 5 days AFTER it came out
saw this on instagram the other day, super interesting
It's actually pretty cool... the possibilities are actually awesome
oh my god im so happy that we're moving away from Cherry MX recolours, this makes me so excited for the future of keyboards
Also I'm very happy you mentioned the Honeywell keyboards, they're so cool and it's a massive shame the technology was abandoned for so long
This looks so interesting, would look forward to more polished magnet keyboards
Apex pro
More and more seem to be on the horizon! The wooting one is pretty cool!
@@cany7910 doesnt have analog support though
@@q_u_a_c_c yeah but I would prefer the apex pro it looks cool has a oled and the switches are lighter
@@cany7910 you know that you could just swap change the springs to lighter ones?
You can imagine how much reduction in the housing we could achieve with the hall effect mechanism. We're still stuck on the same old MX design but I would welcome a thinner, same travel distance version that could be achieved without the need to house a leaf.
For sure! I hope more companies start to explore this and help to create newer and better products in the future
Smaller switches means more space saving which could lead to more possible columns/rows OR just overall space on a desk. I love the idea of this.
This seems to be a fantastic implementation of hall effect switches, and it sounds decent too! I personally love the look of these caps too.
Edit: mt3 is much nicer on there, and those caps look really low quality when you zoomed it lol
MT3 is definitely much much nicer haha
Really enjoyed this video Scott, I always feel like I’m learning a lot watching your channel, thanks for continuing to share this content with us!
Great to hear that Alex! And I continue to appreciate your support!
Damn this is very cool
I feel like there are some cool things on the horizon for keyboards!
Now this makes me wonder how you would review an old IBM keyboard like the model F. Especially since they have those buckling spring switches.
K70 Max user her
I also am running a board with Cherry MX reds. Both have double-shot PBT keycaps.
Hall effect switches do NOT sound the same as an MX switch and they don't feel the same either. The MGX HE switches are noticeably better than the reds.
I have two profiles one for typing and one for gaming and the typing profile is basically the "Cherry MX setting" while the gaming configuration is is significantly more sensitive. Configurable actuation and rapid keystroke reset is a game changer for PC gaming.
Cool! 😎
Thanks!
Very interested in this. I'm hoping others look at the design and make it their own.
I hope this type of tech and more get implemented more!
I have a steelseries apex pro (which is also hall effect) and I also have other MX-style boards. The hall-effect is RIDICULOUSLY smooth it's unbelievable. There's no comparison to any other linear mechanical switch because of the nature of the contactless switch. Great video, great explanation.
I hope more (custom) boards show up with this technology.
If you're a fan of linear switches, there's no comparison. Very smooth and (at least on the apex pro) you can change the actuation point from 0.4 to 3.6mm to whatever suits you, I think the wooting is similar :)
Edit: also they're VERY reliable, lasts for a looooong time and are basically immune to dust. Steelseries and wooting rate their switches to 100m clicks but tests with older switches rate them at 30 billion, they basically stop testing them at some point hahah
This is because since there are no moving parts, the only thing that can make they fail is either a chip/electrical failure or if you literally throw the board on the floor, but magnets basically don't wear overtime, which is amazing. I think chyrosran22 has hall-effect boards from the 70s that are still working perfectly hahah
Yup! The technology is definite a proven one and it exists everywhere! The sensors in your car engines, etc. are all hall effect! Great analysis also
The switches themselves could definitely last centuries the technology is so good
My brother asked for a keyboard to buy and I told him to get the apex, once it arrived I gave it a test and it was super smooth and what I really liked about it a mainstream keyboard and smooth switches and also the stabilizers are nice and not rattling made me feel bad about my 5 years old Corsair K70 which has the worst stabilizers I ever tried now it got better for sure. I did a few weeks ago built my first custom keyboard 75% and also modded and swapped the switches and stabilizers of my K70 and gifted it to my youngest brother. Willing soon to buy the K100 or just wait for a better model, I do like the Corsair software more than steel series and Razer.
meh rather use the wooting keyboards since its analog and isn't overpriced
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we're here for that technical breakdown. Nice work
My favorite part is the skits 😄 and I love how he precisely tunes each board
:) Thanks! It's a good opportunity for me to brush up on things as well!
Haha, more skits are coming soon!
Seeing the Hall Effect gave me AP Physics C War Flashbacks
thanks, great video! how is it in power consumption? is there a noticeable difference?
i dont own one however the magnet switches shouldn't have an effect on power consumption, regular switches use a very similar thing to send inputs
Scott, thanks for making me feel smart by watching your channel!
All jokes aside, this board is pretty cool!
Are the switch stems heavier because of the magnet?
I got sent a model as well. They don't feel heavy and apparently they use springs that have a light actuation but have a strong return force. Hope this helped!
This right here! They don't feel heavy at all, but they feel more "substantial" Vs. a optical switch if that makes sense
should be noted that the ps5 controller doesnt use hall effect, it uses a standard potentiometer. a hall effect joystick would be much more perferable
Are there any hall effect switches that are plug n play with various mechanical switch keyboards? Particularly to have the full range functionality like the joysticks in controllers.
Literally have the WASD keys with range of pressing and it brings back gaming keyboards to fight off gamepads and wheels in various racing games, as the acc/brake/steering will have analog use and not just digital click
i know steelseries is a gaming brand but they make some of the best hall effects that are also same mold by gateron that wooting uses so pretty comparable to lekkers
I have been following this keyboard for the past few weeks and besides some exaggerated marketing terms, seems a great deal considering you can reserve your board for 1 dollar and only have it be 99 for a full alu bluetooth board with ok stock keycaps.
even at the full price of 150 it's pretty good. the pcb and switches are just standard designs which were tweaked or just recoloured, and the keycaps look nice at least
I think it's a good competitor to something that Keychron can offer. It's actually a decent keyboard for the office, etc.
Oooh, didn't even realize that
@@oatmilk9918 I think the full price is going to be 200 as their marketing states early bird price is 50 percent off, so somehow there probably is miscommunication between all their platforms.
Sounds something like Razer Huntsman Analog. Scott, can you explain regarding the psychic on that too? Thanks.
Does anyone know the model of the hall sensors they use? The exact name, please.
the Steelseries TLK Pro has the something similar. You can adjust the actuation point to make more responsive which is neat.
It has the capabilities of analog but they never implemented it, the hera should have analog
i’ve always thought about something like this, maybe with like a fully metal stem that uses the magnets instead of a spring to reduce ping even more. probably would be insanely difficult to make but i’d love to see someone attempt that
I hope soon there are even more things for us to consider!
Check out void switches, they arent exactly what you said but they dont use springs
i immediately thought of Squashy Bois magnet keeb lol
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Yay! Congrats and Happy Birthday!
@@Keybored thanks!
With non stock keycaps this keyboard sounds pretty good
I did end up doing the super early bird thing a few weeks ago because I saw aluminum and wireless. However I was disappointed with it being a hall switch, since we have a total of 3 choices. It also sounds awful, unfortunately. I hope the normal red sounds fine.
I was hoping to get this and use some thocku boba switches. I'll probably still get it and hopefully there will be a time where there is a good thocky switch.
Plus for $99 on the early bird that's not bad.
Hey Keybored, not sure if you're still checking comments here but you seemed like the best person to ask. The Kickstarter for this board didn't do as well as they hoped, so they only made enough boards for the backers which apparently lost them money. Mine arrived a couple of months late and I'm not really expecting to ever hear from Hephboard again given how this went for them.
The keyboard itself is excellent and I'm very happy I bought it, but I'm very worried about one of the switches dying and there being no replacements. Did they tell you anything about the HE switches they used, like who manufactured them etc? Thanks
Is it possible to take apart the switch and put it back together with the top housing inverted to be in a south-facing position to prevent interference with cherry profile keycaps?
since theres no leaf, maybe? has it been done before with optical switches? I would assume theyre the same?
Man, I really hope hall effect or optical switches take off because they are simply better than normal mechanical switches as long as the market for them grows
usually, I don't prefer the feel of optical switches that much, but these hall effect ones felt much more solid
Same. Not needing debounce is pretty great.
Awesome video. I'd love to see more non-mx content with your style and perspective. A topre video or a buckling spring video would from you would be very interesting for me, I'd love to hear your thoughts on those types of switches. There's so more to keyboards than custom MX boards with nice finishes.
Definitely more options out there and hope that we can see an expansion of this also! MX is not the only option!
10:30 sums up why I watch this channel lately.
Hahah, physics!
1st, and great informative vid as always Scott
Congrats! 1st!
Racing games on keyboards might be possible now!!!
Have you got a link for the keycaps?
9:02 It sounds like a Q1 with Topre switches :))))
:) I have to go look that up now
I’m just wondering, do you these feel a lot more smooth compared to normal linears
It does feel smoother because there is no metal leaf and leg interaction!
since hall effect works by a closed circuit detecting the change in voltage, therefore a current is always running, vs a mx keyboard where the circuit is only closed when a switch actuates, does this mean that hall effect keyboards use more electricity (resulting in lower battery life)?
Hmm... I never even thought about that... that is a great point! This thing has a 8000mah battery so I hope it lasts pretty decent!
@@Keybored besides this i think hall switches would be the way forward at least for linear switches given how smooth they are
what do u think about epsilons compare to black inks and overall?
I haven't had a chance to use the epsilons yet... I really need to get my hands on some... a lot of questions about it haha
analog signal should be the standard in keyboard. unlike mouse, which are designed for binary signal, sub mm travel, keyboards have a big travel distance in comparison. an opportunity for personalization that has been neglected. that travel distance should do something. I'm kind of surprised flaretech optical tech was not booming. probably cost effectiveness is the barrier
I think the Hall Effect "revival" was started by the XMIT keyboard some years ago, created by XMIT (he was active in Deskthority, GH, ..) and sold by Drop. I bought one myself upon release. The ideas in the XMIT were interesting, but the execution was not perfect (I never really liked my keyboard much TBH).
:( Sorry to hear that! I haven't heard about the XMIT before, but need to check it out
@@Keybored The XMIT saga also includes some drama with the manufacturer sidelining XMIT and selling their own version on Drop (the APT Hall Effect board). It ended with the demise of the whole project.
Can you review the wooting 60he when it comes out?
personally I think wooting has the best implementation
Will have to look into it!
WOOOO fuck yeaaaajhhhhh someone big revoewd this boardedd
It's an interesting board for sure
@@Keybored tahnsk for pisting this and helpigng hephboard🙏🙏🇦🇱🇦🇱
Can it be lubed / spring swapped?
What song did you use around 6:52?
God I love the shape and design of the board over the GMMK pro and Keychron Q1 but I wanna have real switches over magnetic ones
Real switches? why would u want standard switches over these lol
@@zeenoh5811 Barely any switch options + they don't sound great + no variations of tactility
Magnets have a lot of potential with keyboards. I'm surprised that no one has used magnets in keyswitches to create a tactile bump, or maglev mounted a PCB in a case. These are some things I've been wanting to experiment with.
there are maglev mounted cases, usually the plate is mounted
Modifying void hall effects might be a good way to start
There are those void switches by riskable, he managed to get a tactile bump. it's unfortunately a 3d printed switch tho
@@zeenoh5811 thats why i said modify😭
@@q_u_a_c_c ohhh I didn't see ur comment lol
riskable is insane I just really wish those switches were easily slotted in a custom, or in an OEM keyboard
Traditionally Hall effect switches are incredibly smooth by design. How are these switches?
Speaking of controllers there is a huge problem that effects at least 90% of modern controllers called stick drift and if you ever use a controller you know what I mean instead of most modern controllers using the hall effect system they carbon filled potentiometers which are much more unreliable than the magnetic thumbsticks and it has three types of stick drift the first being dirt/debris getting inside of the potentiometers and causing the stick to think an action is being performed the second when the carbon walls degrade/erode overtime from general use which also causes the stick to think an action is being performed and the final one is when the spring in the analog stick wears down overtime and does not properly recenter the stick to its center position but if you are using a controller with magnetic/hall effect thumbsticks the only stick drift problem is when the spring doesn’t recenter properly.
Cherry interference is unfortunate, I was told you can't rotate the switches 180 degrees like in the wooting board. Super unfortunate since I want a 75% hall effect.
This keyboard sounds a lot more like older keyboard back in the day, they mostly sounds mushy! I don’t know if I am correct, but this is how my head compared the sounds right away!
Its silent reds and it sounds like any other silent switch there are still non silent options though
The non silent options obviously much less mushy
Everyone's still waiting on that Keystone keyboard esp that Beamspring one. Silly that it's still in pre-order state.
But for real a 75% HE keyboard that costs less than either a Wooting or a SteelSeries Pro is mind boggling. And yes it's silent for what it offers.
Though the Wooting still wins for its full analog range, this could be a contender.
Wooting definitely has that extra for gamers for sure. I think this one, it's a more budget entry, but you get to experience what hall effect is all about so hey, no problems in that!
I'll take the Physic lesson with Keyboard as bonus !
:) Glad to hear that it wasn't too boring!
Oh so this is what it is called and tested steelseries like stated here in comments .. that's why it felt different huh
Dind't the Dreamcast analog stick work with a similar principal?
:) The convergence of technology happening!
The switch tech might be cool. But I hate that they combined the arrow cluster with page up/down and home/end functionality. Also I don’t understand the need for a Mac/Win switch. If you’re going to be using it with a Windows laptop for working from home, and a Mac for everything else, you’re much better off remapping the keys with something like Karabiner Elements or AutoHotKey. Otherwise you have to remember to toggle the switch twice a day. If you’re going to be using either a Mac or a Windows machine, just put a dip switch on the bottom, or maybe use an obscure key combination to switch. A switch next to the BT/off/cable switch is far too easy to accidentally press.
Oh, and a 2.4 GHz dongle beats bluetooth every day.
My 2 cents, anyway.
Hey could you also link the hephboard discord for people with questions?
Since there is alot of then i see
analog keyboards are really cool
Is there a reason you did not reference the steelseries apex pro in this review? Steelseries did basically attempt everything this board already has.
next time! I did throw in the wooting and the keystone as examples :)
Wooting and the Flux Keyboard brought me here.
Hello Keybored, can you rebuild your Kmac again please?
Haha, it's with its owner right now. He has 2 and they're both awesome
Can you put these switches on any third-party PCB?
Ive asked danylon about it being possible to swap void hall effects and h1 hall effects and he said no so i wouldnt assume it would work
So its basically the custom keyboard version of the wooting 2
Nah this is a scam. We've been kept I'm the dark for over a month now, no one is replying on their Facebook, discord, or kickstsrter. They're gonna just take the 44k they made and sail.
I'm assuming these switches are linear because they don't have legs for tactility?
Yup! Silent linears actually
@@Keybored there are also tactile options which contain a leaf for tactility
This keybord could make a video purely from the thockyness
2:24 Onwards for the science.
A 75% kb with del, home, and keys + a knob? Tbh I've never seen a 75% with all those keys, so I've never purchased one. I'm not big into the kb space, so I don't know if I'll buy it, but $160 makes it a competitive kb for what you're getting.
It's like in the price points of a wireless Keychron, so this would be another alternative!
@@Keybored I would agree that's the case for the general audience. However Keychron's 75% layouts do not meet the requirements I listed above.
So it's the same tech of OmniPoint switch by SteelSeries.......?
Yup
I seriously thought its some kind of maglev keyboard from looking at the thumbnail
I think Squashy did a version before... I really thought about making one... Thinking of expanding this channel by buying a glowforge and some other stuff and make random things
An analog switch is crazy
Right? Imagine reading all of the resolution and doing stuff with it
@@Keybored you could get a lot of cool data about how hard your type and even give input on how to type better possiblely
Dancing keyboard..
lol at which part?