The 4B movement could never be a mainstream movement in South Korea. It could never be a mainstream movement in Europe or even in the United States. Very few women in all countries are willing to give up on relationships with men for feminist reasons, it doesn't matter how bad they are. that's the truth. Women like that are a very small group in all societies, especially in societies like South Korea. It takes a lot of self-respect and self-preservation instinct to do that.
@@lauralemon4890 It's funny because in America, we make fun of the "men movement" that wanted to "move on from women." Cringe when men do it, slay when women do. Double standards much?
@@ponykazy3725 you seem to think men and women are the same and face the same types of problems with the other gender. and the "men movement" don't move away from women. that would be a blessing. so obvioulsy there is a "double standard" and for good reason. It's not the same thing.
As an American, I feel secondhand embarrassment when Americans try to Koreasplain Korea to a Korean woman. I’m also deeply uncomfortable for anyone to laugh and gloat while talking about the literal extinction of an ethnicity.
“Koreasplain” 🤣🤣🤣 I’m Korean, and yes I have heard a lot of preaching about social problems in Korea from foreigners. Some of them have really weird ideas 😂
And they ignore the great things that Korea has done. This country has completely turned their economy around in a relatively short time. Yes, there are issues, but what country doesn't have issues? ESPECIALLY the US of A! smh
Thank you for taking the time to share and educate us! 4B picked up steam in the last few years and especiallyyyy since the US election results. I found your video when I was trying to find information for the Korean perspective and am shocked at how sensationalized it’s been here.
i'm a korean american woman living in korea and the FIRST time i had heard of 4B movement was when an american friend asked me about it... and when i asked my korean friends about it no one had heard of it?? typically western media shit.
Mainly American media, let’s be honest. They’re doing the same thing with Spanish by changing all the gendered words’ spelling and adding “X” to include all genders, but it doesn’t work and it only happens in the US
Western feminist media for you. Democracy =democrazy. Free speech is over rated. Western feminist run their mouth too much and need to learn to shut up!
As someone who's lived here in Korea for a decade, this video hits the nail on the head exactly. The conversation around gender equality, feminism, and misogyny/misandry is not a 1:1 comparison to the west. Korea has it's own unique problems that has led to a divergence in the way people perceive this issue between westerners and Koreans. Western people trying to understand these very complex and deep seeded issues in Korea through their own lens can really cause misinterpretations of the public sentiment in Korea
The whole world knows that south korea is a VERY MALE dominated country and culture. So there is no way you can try to escape this!! And yes, I have been to Japan, Taiwan, Hong kong, China, Vietnam, Phillippines, Thailand. They do not have a such male dominated culture as south korea. And yes, I am Asian myself. There are many problems with cultures like south korea. For example 160 people died in that alley with dance clubs, all your korean male party goers refused to let people out, and 160 of them died. This does NOT happen in any other Asian countries.
That's quite the narrative the first woman is spinning. The low birthrate is NOT a feminist movement. It's a combination of low opportunity, long academic careers, financial depression, and many other factors.
@@bgos4727 No doubt, and vice versa. But there's no Korean "feminist movement" with numbers of women that matter, with the goal of denying men or putting them in their place. It's just not a thing. She's projecting her own hatred of men onto a population which she knows nothing about.
Leave it to Americans to sensationalize and amplify the most extreme interpretation of any school of thought. I get embarrassed about it every other day at this point.
Sensationalism get clicks. There's also the problem described by Eric Hoffer: "A great cause begins as a movement, then becomes a business, and then degenerates into a racket"
Blame Reddit and Twitter and tiktok. They are misandrist af but claim they aren't. They hate men to the point they actually want 4B to be the main thing happening in Korea when it isn't
This happens so often. Prime example , the protests in Israel. The very small amount of protesters doesn’t represent like 99% of Israelis. But Westerners esp Americans cling on to the small story to fit their desires
It really is a very small movement, less than 5,000 women seem to belong to this movement. The movement gained traction because of the book Kim JiYoung, Born 1982 - first the head of the Justice Party gave President Moon a copy with the message to please embrace the book. You also had Red Velvet's Irene telling fans at a fan meet that she was a fan of the book (think RM and Sooyoung also said they liked the book). Male fans in Korea began attacking her, burning and cutting up her photo. I think the Escape the Corset and the Me Too movements in Korea also embraced the book (which sold over a million copies). I think it spawned this very small movement which is very hardcore about their beliefs and tried to be very visible whenever possible. It's not a manufactured movement, but it's simply a very small one that really hasn't grown past it's initial small base. From what I also understand, 4B often tries to claim a much larger membership number by including women identified with the Me Too and Escape the Corset movements (but aside from appreciating the book don't really see themselves as having anything in common). Put another way, just because goth and vampire culture look very similar and may get confused with each other, they aren't the same.
I'm a young Korean woman myself living in Korea and I'm quite sure most women in my ages who are interested in what's going on in society are heard of 4B movement. Even though not many would say openly that they are supporters, it centainly represents how women of my generation percieves marrage, relationships and equiality
The Gender Gap Index (GGI) measures the relative differences between men and women, meaning that even if women's overall status is high, if they fall behind men, the GGI and its ranking can be low. This design allows the GGI to compare gender gaps without considering the socioeconomic level of each country. For example, a developed country with high overall economic participation but significant gender differences may rank lower than a less developed country where both men and women participate at similar, albeit low, rates. Countries like Rwanda or the Philippines, where social norms mandate women to engage in work equally to men, can achieve high scores despite their lower economic conditions. Similarly, countries like Sweden, with strong egalitarian views, tend to score high because men and women perform similar jobs. Rwanda scores high on the GGI due to its emphasis on female participation in politics and the economy, aligning with its traditions. However, other gender inequality issues, like domestic violence, still exist. Western interpretations may misread these scores, thinking they reflect progressive gender policies, while similar situations have different outcomes, such as post-war Serbia becoming more patriarchal. Contrasts are evident in Saudi Arabia, a wealthy nation with significant gender disparities, and Korea, which had gender-equal customs in the Goryeo era but shifted towards male dominance in modern times. Despite Korea's progressive stance on women's education and suffrage compared to some Western countries, cultural practices influenced by Confucianism, which separates domestic and external roles, create discrepancies in Western gender equality views. Cultural differences further manifest in perceptions of physical labor. Koreans may find it strange to see women performing heavy labor or operating machinery, a common sight in Western countries during wartime. This cultural divide is apparent when comparing gender roles in relationships; for example, Korean women dating Swedish men may struggle with the expectation of equal division of labor. GGI rankings often favor countries with gender norms resembling those in Europe and America, thus not accurately reflecting gender equality in diverse cultural contexts. These rankings cannot reliably indicate how well women's rights are upheld in a mix of developed, developing, and underdeveloped countries. Moreover, the GGI is frequently conflated with broader terms like gender equality index or gender equality rankings, but it is distinct from indices like the Gender Inequality Index (GII). The GGI measures the average gender gap across all ages, not gender equality. Gender equality indices are relative; for instance, if men score 10 and women 9, the gender gap is seen as less than 10%, but this does not mean the overall score is high. A notable disparity in Korea is the university enrollment rates between men and women. Men's rates can exceed 100% due to military service interruptions and subsequent re-enrollments. Additionally, 80% of graduates from lucrative engineering fields in Korea are men, largely because women tend to avoid science tracks in high school due to the high level of mathematical difficulty. In conclusion, while the GGI provides insights into gender gaps, it does not fully account for cultural, societal, and structural differences that influence gender equality across nations.
In Korea, there exists the Equal Employment Opportunity Law for both genders. According to this law, companies cannot hire discriminatively based on gender. However, despite its name, some criticize that there are no clauses specifically protecting men. I agree with the necessity of this law, but it seems there is room for improvement. Positive example of this law in action: An example would be the 'KB Kookmin Bank gender discrimination in hiring and corruption incident'. KB Kookmin Bank intentionally favored men, resulting in penalties under this law. Negative example where this law did not positively impact: An example would be the controversy over the Game Rating and Administration Committee's biased hiring towards women with career gaps and disabled individuals. They rigidly excluded men by making career gaps and disability prerequisites for monitoring team recruitment, receiving only written warnings from the Ministry of Employment and Labor, as legal enforcement is not feasible and G.R.A.C. certainly ignored it and did not amend their qualifications requirements. Eventually, this incident pointed out that this law has room for improvement.
In Korea, in cases of divorce, parents must agree on matters regarding the custody of their children, or if they cannot agree, the family court will decide on custody matters either at its own discretion or upon request by the parties (Civil Code, Article 837, Paragraphs 1, 2, and 4). 1. Determination of custody 2. Burden of child-rearing costs 3. Exercise of visitation rights and methods thereof 1. For children aged 0 to 6: - Father has custody rights: 8.6% - Mother has custody rights: 91.4% 2. For children in elementary school (age 7 to 12): - Father has custody rights: 18.5% - Mother has custody rights: 81.5% 3. For children in middle school or older (age 13 and above): - Father has custody rights: 30.4% - Mother has custody rights: 69.6% Additionally, if children are primarily raised by their mother after divorce in Korea, they can change their surname to their mother's surname if they wish to do so.. (Ps.The father is usually required to provide child support monthly.)
According to the 2013 police crime statistics, there were 5,753 cases of R, including both attempts and completions, reported in South Korea. In the same period, the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family conducted a nationwide survey on sexual violence, estimating that 32,500 women, or 0.13% of the total female population, were victims of R or attempted R in 2013. This implies a reporting rate of approximately 18%. In South Korea, the conviction rate for sexual crimes is over 90%. In contrast, Germany's conviction rate is around 8%, and Sweden's is about 23%, significantly lower than South Korea's standards. According to the '2022 Judicial Yearbook' published by the Court Administration Office of Korea in September last year, there were 5,161 cases filed under the 'Act on Special Cases Concerning the Punishment of Sexual Crimes' in 2021. Of these, 5,018 cases (97.2%) were processed. Excluding 55 cases referred to the juvenile division and 290 other cases, there were 4,673 sexual crime cases (90.5%) that reached a first-instance verdict. Among these first-instance verdicts, only 124 cases (2.7%) resulted in acquittals. When adding suspended sentences (47 cases), sentence exemptions (3 cases), and dismissals (2 cases), the total percentage is just 3.8%. Conversely, the conviction rate, including imprisonment, fines, and suspended sentences, stands at approximately 96.3%. -------- According to the 2013 police crime statistics, there were 5,753 cases of R, including both attempts and completions, reported in South Korea. In the same period, the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family conducted a nationwide survey on sexual violence, estimating that 32,500 women, or 0.13% of the total female population, were victims of R or attempted R in 2013. This implies a reporting rate of approximately 18%. In South Korea, the conviction rate for sexual crimes is over 90%. In contrast, Germany's conviction rate is around 8%, and Sweden's is about 23%, significantly lower than South Korea's standards. According to the '2022 Judicial Yearbook' published by the Court Administration Office of Korea in September last year, there were 5,161 cases filed under the 'Act on Special Cases Concerning the Punishment of Sexual Crimes' in 2021. Of these, 5,018 cases (97.2%) were processed. Excluding 55 cases referred to the juvenile division and 290 other cases, there were 4,673 sexual crime cases (90.5%) that reached a first-instance verdict. Among these first-instance verdicts, only 124 cases (2.7%) resulted in acquittals. When adding suspended sentences (47 cases), sentence exemptions (3 cases), and dismissals (2 cases), the total percentage is just 3.8%. Conversely, the conviction rate, including imprisonment, fines, and suspended sentences, stands at approximately 96.3%.
In the United States, the reporting rate for R is about 16%, which is very low, and only a small number of perpetrators are punished, drawing significant criticism. According to RAINN, only 5.7% of R incidents lead to an arrest, just 1.1% of incidents are referred to a prosecutor, and only 0.7% result in a felony conviction. Even fewer, 0.6% of incidents lead to incarceration. This is despite false accusations accounting for only 2-8% of reported SA, according to WVFRIS. “In particular, child SA can go on for months or even years before they tell someone,” said Nikki Godfrey, Assistant State Coordinator for WVFRIS. “And the victim may be threatened or coerced to keep this secret.” - In Sweden, according to Brå in 2013, it is likely that as many as 80% of all R cases are not reported. This was confirmed in a 2014 study on violence against women funded by the Swedish government and the Crime Victim Compensation and Support Authority. Comparatively, a 2007 British Government report estimated that between 75 and 95% of R cases are not reported in the United Kingdom. In 2009, Amnesty International published a report on R in the Nordic countries, criticizing the low conviction rates in Sweden. Amnesty cited estimates from Brå of around 30,000 R incidents, with less than 13% of the 3,535 reported R crimes resulting in a decision to start legal proceedings, and only 216 convictions in 2007, using the word "impunity" to describe the situation. The number of convictions remained relatively unchanged from 2005 to 2014, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year. In 2015, there were 176 convictions for R and aggravated R in Sweden. The total number of convictions for sexual offenses, including R and other crimes such as buying sexual services, was 1,160. The low conviction rate could be explained by the reduced legal distinction between R and consensual intercourse, leading to greater challenges for the prosecution to prove its case, according to Petter Asp, Professor of Criminal Law at Stockholm University. ------ In the United States, the reporting rate for R is about 16%, which is very low, and only a small number of perpetrators are punished, drawing significant criticism. According to RAINN, only 5.7% of R incidents lead to an arrest, just 1.1% of incidents are referred to a prosecutor, and only 0.7% result in a felony conviction. Even fewer, 0.6% of incidents lead to incarceration. This is despite false accusations accounting for only 2-8% of reported SA, according to WVFRIS. "In particular, child SA can go on for months or even years before they tell someone," said Nikki Godfrey, Assistant State Coordinator for WVFRIS. "And the victim may be threatened or coerced to keep this secret." In Sweden, according to Brå in 2013, it is likely that as many as 80% of all R cases are not reported. This was confirmed in a 2014 study on violence against women funded by the Swedish government and the Crime Victim Compensation and Support Authority. Comparatively, a 2007 British Government report estimated that between 75 and 95% of R cases are not reported in the United Kingdom. In 2009, Amnesty International published a report on R in the Nordic countries, criticizing the low conviction rates in Sweden. Amnesty cited estimates from Brå of around 30,000 R incidents, with less than 13% of the 3,535 reported R crimes resulting in a decision to start legal proceedings, and only 216 convictions in 2007, using the word "impunity" to describe the situation. The number of convictions remained relatively unchanged from 2005 to 2014, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year. In 2015, there were 176 convictions for R and aggravated R in Sweden. The total number of convictions for sexual offenses, including R and other crimes such as buying sexual services, was 1,160. The low conviction rate could be explained by the reduced legal distinction between R and consensual intercourse, leading to greater challenges for the prosecution to prove its case, according to Petter Asp, Professor of Criminal Law at Stockholm University.
As a black woman who lives in the US. I understand your frustration. There are many people who "speak about situations" that are exaggerated or taken out of context. Also, as you mentioned, the pay gap, abuse of power, and other patriotic issues happen around the world. As someone already said in the comments. People feel too comfortable talking about things without fact-checking and trying to cancel anyone who doesn't agree. Whatever happened to learning about the facts? That's just my opinion.
25 years ago I was working in Illinois and CNN or NYT put out an article about pay gap and gender in the U.S.. They listed several fields where women make more than men. Usually female dominated fields. Usually fields that require advanced degrees. This is not Afghanistan where girls can’t attend school even when minors. Women don’t need permission to get a job like Iran. At the end of the day it does not matter who makes more or less but if one makes enough. I watched Kdramas all the time and the wealth gap is perplexing and confusing to me living in Midwest USA. For example everything seems relative. An officer worker of four years lives in a rooftop apartment and saved 100K USD in 4 years being frugal. His senior who worked 9 years in a perfectly decent renovated villa who put down 50K USD as key money and pays 200 USD monthly rent. But he is ‘poor’ and does not have enough money. His peers referred to him as poor. He was perfectly fine growing up until others voiced he was poor cause of the size of the apartment and likely it was not a high rise. So he will not marry and is putting off dating and spending money until he buys a big apartment. Which may be never if his stock choices bad or the market turns. In the U.S. I could pay a lot more for a house but I also could pay a lot less than I do. No one cares if I’m in a condo, townhome, single family, McMansion.
Are you kidding? That isn’t opinion. You are speaking facts. The most arrogant person on any topic is usually the most ignorant on said topic. The most intelligent people I know figured out that they actually know very little. This is the catch 22 though. The most intelligent among us don’t believe that they have all the answers but the least educated are loud and pushy and since most humans respond to who is loudest is how humanity consistently ends up with bad leadership.
It’s only a small percentage of women who are actively involved in this movement and it seems to be more popular among Western women on TikTok than it is in Korea, because most women never heard of 4B.
Women like that are a very small group in all societies, especially in societies like South Korea. It takes a lot of self-respect and self-preservation instinct to do that.
I'm Korean man and thank you for clearing all the insane misinformation about korean men that's online and shared among foreigners. you are truly an amazing person.
Thanks to Anna, the person trying to that hand sign is insecure herself, or themselves. They won't make friends this way... BTW: Flagged that person for making "that" gesture...
Aaaaaand that's why I try to stay away from socials especially TT. It's a bubble. It's designed that way by its algorithm and pretty much any socials but more so in TT. People don't realize their bias when they try to debate about a topic. You have a very nuanced, smart take on the topic at hand. Great job Anna!
There is no such thing as femicide. Because I have never experienced it. (I wrote a poem.) She is lying. Let me give you the facts. Young men's political inclination: Conservative (60-70%), young women's political inclination: Liberal (60-70%) Do young women know the term 4b? : More people don't. So do young women refuse to date men because of their misogyny? : Very often. Women in their 20s, and even teenagers, have a stronger tendency to do so. Can a UA-camr who hates men survive in Korea? : Absolutely not. UA-camrs who hate men or criticize misogyny are buried. On the other hand, can a UA-camr who hates women or criticizes feminists survive? : They have over 1.2 million subscribers and are influential enough to operate in the open. Well, this is the reality of Korea. There is a stark difference in the ideology of young men and women, so it is inevitable that many women reject men. The UA-camr in this video is lying. She is weak to the strong and strong to the weak. She knows that if she criticizes misogynists here, she will be attacked by Korean men. She does not mention the differences in the tendencies of young Korean men and women at all.
I love that you provided facts! You shut down all those people that think they know about Korea when they don’t. I take the time to read several Korean newspapers daily. I have not read about that movement. People should not let Tik Tok or IG for example rely on subject matters as facts. I get annoyed when a friend tells me a “scientific truth” from “Tik Tok” that I should try. I know what was told to me was false & asked where did you get your information. I always use reliable confirmed sources. Yes, the media can sensationalize but it is up to the individual to seek more informative truth. Too much false information is out there. Great job, Ana!
My Japanese grandmother use to always send me cowboy clothes for my birthday and Christmas. Someone told her everyone where I live are cowboys. So, she thought I wanted to dress like one. No disrespect to her, and may she rest in peace, she made a similar mistake. Anyway, my focus on Korea is mostly supply chains and logistics, geopolitics, and music. Never heard of the "movement" prior to today. Watch a lot of Korean TV and movies. Tons of K-Pop and more on my playlists. Do I judge Korea on it? Nope. It'd be like watching a Western (Cowboy movie.) and thinking everyone in the US is a cowboy because the movies were popular at the time. Sure, there's still cowboys here to this day, they're rare and have been for a very long time. Anyway again, I'm waking up to this talk and my first through was that people really need to touch grass more. This stuff that gets talked about online isn't the real world.
Your grandma's efforts to make you fit in appropriately into your new home, the wild wild west with its great plains and endless prairies, are sweet though. Yeehaw!!!
India faces a lot of the same issues that other Asian nations face when it comes to gender equality, but it is unique in that not only are women's rights never taken seriously, but rates of sexual violence are notoriously high. However, for whatever reason, I have not heard of feminist movements like 4B gripping India like it kinda did in South Korea. Believe me, I'm an Indian-American.
Tik TOK? I think the USA run internet since 2008 did that all on its own. I don't see Gender wars in Third World Countries with Feminism and Red Pill Manosphere. It's First World countrires and its been happening long before Tik Tok
@@sor3999 That's what the USA does, Sweetheart. Take accountability and Stop pushing your blame on someone else. You cry wolf enough times and everybody doesn't believe a word you say.
I was waiting for this video! Glad you pushed back with facts and disputed this 4B claim. Appreciate your insight from the Korean perspective. Off topic but necessary, need a new apartment tour, please…if that’s natural light, it’s amazing.
Agreed, it's hard to fight back with the truth because Korean population is too small so the voices get overshadowed and I don't see any Koreans online pushing back against the lies said by westerners and other clueless foreigners
I don't understand why the 4B movement is gaining popularity in other countries.. The low birthrate in South Korea is primarily due to the population density in the capital and the extremely high housing prices. And the meaning of "feminism" in South Korea differs from its interpretation in other countries. In SK, feminism is often perceived negatively and associated with social outcasts rather than as a movement advocating for women's rights. Recently, there was a car accident that resulted in the deaths of about nine men. The group identifying themselves as feminists made insensitive comments such as "the day of bowling," "good die," and "the party time of dead men." (ua-cam.com/video/B3abh_T5o3o/v-deo.html) This behavior is far from advocating for human rights and equality. Ordinary people in South Korea are just busy with their daily lives. There is no time to engage in the pointless gender wars happening online.
its ultra common for social media, corpo media, and indie media to VASTLY over estimate the size or impact of subcultures and political movement. they point at something a group is doing, then inflate their impact on larger metrics that are...very complex.
And yet so many people will take it for face value. Except for the seldom case that one's own immediate environment becomes the subject of an unhinged narrative. Then suddenly it's "wtf??".
In theory, easier access to information should contribute to its accuracy. However, unfortunately, the advancement of technology and the flood of information seem to be creating new problems.
Definitely true. I am 28 years old Korean man. And I belong to quite majority group of SK. In real world in Korea, no one, literally no one does 4B movements or something like that. Actually we can hardly notice that kinds of movements! So called 4B women are extremely tiny fraction of Korean. They are uneducated, has no jobs, eliminate in mainstream society.
I’m so glad that an articulate and well-educated Korean woman like Anna is making these videos for the English-speaking internet. She’s one of the only people in the world who could make videos like this. If she didn't do this, no one would!
I want to talk about the percentage of women who never have kids in different countries. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, but Japan has the most women who never have children. Women who reach 50 without having kids are called "lifelong childless." Last month, the OECD said 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries, where the average is 16.2%. So, about 1 in 3.5 Japanese women never has a child. Usually, developing countries have more births and fewer childless women than developed countries. This means Japan likely has the highest rate of childless women in the world. After Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest rates of lifelong childlessness. South Korea (12.9%) is seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), but still less than half of Japan's rate. The difference between South Korea and Japan shows that even though South Korea has a lower birth rate, more South Korean women have at least one child compared to Japan. This is because more Japanese families have multiple kids. Willem Adema, an OECD economist, says, "In South Korea, the cost of raising kids is so high that many families only have one child, while in Japan, families often have 2-3 kids." In summary, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to more families with multiple kids. But, Japan also has a much higher percentage of women who never have children compared to South Korea.
Wrong. Childless? That will soon be worse in South Korea More than half of Korean women in their 30s will be childless. Just wait 10 years Japanese analysis of Korea is always wrong. Just like Koreans are always wrong about predicting a Fujisan explosion
@@letztermensch5571 You sound really convincing until you see the latest marriage and birth rate data. The free fall in birth rates have finally bottomed out and is now increasing, while marriages, which are the forward indicator for future births are skyrocketing, 30%+ for July 2024 on Year.
I’m a white American with an immigrant parent from Greece. Even with a strong Greek heritage, I would never think to speak on the behalf all Greek women as if I know what it’s like to grow up culturally there or what current culture around sexism they have now. I have visited my family that lives there but their life experience isn’t something for me to assume when it’s convenient for UA-cam content and views. It really feels like these people over step to talk about cultures they don’t even know much about and when they can’t understand what’s really happening there because they aren’t there! It creates misinformation around the very country/topics they are trying to talk about and it’s disrespectful in my opinion!
Thank you so much for having - and, more importantly, expressing - empathy for the young men in your country. Here in the West these days, such kindness, honesty and perspective taking is all too rare. God bless.
I’m a married Korean woman living in America. I visit Korea every year because all of my family members are in Korea. This week, I went to visit my former professor’s class at the university I graduated 6 years ago to help international students from China to learn about what I do. There, I met this girl who told me about 4B movements as I introduced her that I’m Korean. I told her I’ve never heard about it and that’s what brought me here on this video. None of my Korean friends knew or even heard about this.. I absolutely agree with everything Anna said in this video. Only few people follow this movement and certainly many women in Korea have no idea this movement even exists. Online contents can be misleading. Thank you so much Anna for making this video. This is my first time seeing your video and you are an amazing person trying to convey the truth.
11:50 On May 23, 2024, a South Korean soldier died during training. He had a medical condition, and was punished physically just for making a fuss. The instructor dismissed his claim that he was sick as a lie and continued on, eventually leading to his death. It is currently the hottest incident in South Korea in recent days, and to make matters worse, it has become a huge source of controversy because the instructor was a woman. I don't understand why Western media doesn't report this. South Korea currently has an extremely high conscription rate, higher than that of Nazi Germany during the war. Therefore, even if someone has a tolerable disability or disease, he can be conscripted for active duty. The number of young men continues to decrease, and South Korea's Ministry of National Defense continues to increase the conscription rate. As a result, the number of deaths or injuries, and the number of shootings due to mental problems are increasing. Conscription of women is almost the only way to solve these problems as well as the problem of discrimination against women. However, South Korea's Ministry of Defense refuses to conscript women, and many young women also view military service negatively. South Korean men believe that women receive preferential treatment, and South Korean companies do not view women as proper adults because they have not fulfilled their military obligations, so they prefer to hire male employees. This again becomes the reason why South Korean women refuse to be drafted, saying, 'There is no reason for women to join the military because discrimination against women is still rampant.' This vicious cycle continues to occur, and gender conflict in South Korea is becoming more and more serious.
South Korean here!! (한국 사람이에요!!) I can’t believe that western people believe that Korea’s low rate birth problems caused by 4B movements.... It’s because high house price and we want to get a better and better job that leads excessive competition. In korea, Lots of People believe we have to buy house first before marriage, that we believe it’s our responsibilities to partner and future children to provide them stable life. Usually it regarded as man’s duty for your partner and as father. (of course this kind of stereotypes are changing because of too much house price, but we still tend to follow this stereotypes as woman and as man also..). In east north asia like Korea and Japan, there are Confucianism culture that we tend to expect more responsibility to men, which means Japan was the first country have low rate of birth problem and then, South Korea, and even China is facing now with economic growth that leads high house price. And that kind of man’s responsibility things make Korean men (I think Japan too) work harder, spend more time at work, and force to men major in technology, engineering, Economics and not Arts or Liberal Arts even they wanted to, so culturally it leads Gender Wage-Differentials. So anyway, when we earn enough money to buy house where outside of Seoul City, but your partner age is.... hard to have baby so many people give up to have baby after lot of efforts. And if you failed to buy house? It will be hard to get married. Because as I said, in our culture men expected to take responsibility and women expected to respect men’s responsibility and efforts, these kind of expectations easily lead them get married. I can say that few years ago there was a big social issues about radical feminists in South Korea. Because when you want to join feminist group you have to burn all your father or brother's pictures or take a photo that you put a knife on father or brothers neck when they sleep as rituals. Is it acceptable in western world??? It's hard to even imagine in east north Asia like Korea and Japan. And they claimed that only women are superior than men and only victims (I can not even understand how this logic works..) so they make protests that trans-genders(Fake woman, they say), Muslims and east south Asian who have brown skin have not to permitted in korea society to prevent potential sexual crimes. They just act like fascist and detest male at the same time ... OMG..... (But it's very very very small population of korean women) These kind of women were claiming 4B movements maybe 4 years ago. So, now in South Korea, if you claim 4B movements in public or act like them in daily life you won't be allowed to jobs or social relationship except radical feminists group. And lot of feminist groups were dismantled all around universities by their votes and campaigns. And NOW IN 2024 western feminists are following 4B movements???? Wow..... 진짜 한 번이라도 한국에 와봤거나 한국에 살고 있는 사람이랑 한 번이라도 대화를 해봤는지 모르겠네요. (It means, Are they really even ever been to South Korea or talked to native korean who actually living in here)
As a Korean woman, Koreans have never heard '4B' and the perception of radical feminists in Korea is not good Moreover, there is also a perception that radical feminists do not have good looks. That's why radical feminism is only on the internet Misogyny also has a loser image I want to tell you guys that radical feminism and misogyny only exist anonymous online. Because these radical people are considered not to have good looks, it is difficult to meet them outside of the online world.
It really is weird seeing the specific racial hate from 4B. Like it’s straight up racism under the guise of “feminism” it’s very weird and off putting, not even an asian but seeing what are supposedly “korean” women Say such things about men of their own race makes them seem revolting.
'Racism' is not the same as zexism dipsht. Also, look in the damn mirror about it being a 'hate' group. You males started it first with your manosphere BS. And you've all been this way to us even before that, ever since the dawn of time. So now, reap what you sow collectively. It's only just desserts!
As a Singaporean man, I understand how it feels to have to go through the army and the women just breezing past and getting their degrees earlier. This leads to a kind of "gap" where a woman of the same age as the man would have more working experience and usually more money than the man. What further compounds it is that Singaporean men have to serve up to 40 days of mandatory reservist every year for the next 10 years after they finish their initial national service. National service for women is also a hot topic in Singapore as well. I am very glad that your views on the topic are very balanced and kind. Keep up the good work!
What are they males doing to challenge the system set up the Elite Males? Wars are started by males (even if it is the males in power who start it or have to defend themselves against more aggressive males). Resenting women for a system created by other males makes no sense.
Quite similar to the conscription requirements in South Korea, but much of it is a function of the surrounding geopolitical landscape presently. It’s an unfortunate bind for both it and its neighboring country. The social construction of normative gender roles is the nidus of the absurdity in a handful of behaviors no longer relevant in the modern day. So while what you said places men behind academically and economically, your counterparts ought to be more understanding of the purpose of serving in the force.
@@resnon It is exactly because such understanding, and empathy is lacking, not to mention the lack of respect, even scorn towards national service that is why some Singaporeans, and as in the video, Korean men feel belittled, and even betrayed by "the system".
Interestingly, I read somewhere that only about 900,000 man in Singapore had completed the mandatory 2 years conscription despite having a population of almost 6 million. And, I also saw a population spike of about 3 million in the 90s to almost 6 million today in Singapore. A possible future of Korea if mass immigration route is chosen.
@@tobyc8668 No sure where you got the numbers from, but national service is only for Singaporean males. And yes there is a huge influx of non-Singaporeans in Singapore. According to a quick google search it said "In 2023, around 3.61 million people living in Singapore were citizens, compared to around 1.77 million who were non-residents. In that year, the total population in Singapore was approximately 5.92 million" Quite a few years back there was a push towards increasing the population via "foreign talent" and it led to a huge influx of people, and quite a bit of backlash iirc. So yes, there is also the idea that Singaporean men are getting the short end of the stick because foreign men do not need to serve national service either. Which contributes to the "unfairness" and "dissatisfaction" with national service in general.
I live in the US and have never met a single person who never desired or never desires romantic love. Not a single one. I’ve met people who’ve been hurt but their ideal would be finding a good partner. The amount of gays ppl verses straight too is wildly exaggerated by media.
Interesting so I've heard the opposite but the fact that you are hearing that but still see the division between men and women, then that should tell you that women have had enough and they're willing to take the long road alone and not settle" just because" because men are moving the same way towards men too so idk
I want to talk about the percentage of women who never have kids in different countries. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, but Japan has the most women who never have children. Women who reach 50 without having kids are called "lifelong childless." Last month, the OECD said 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries, where the average is 16.2%. So, about 1 in 3.5 Japanese women never has a child. Usually, developing countries have more births and fewer childless women than developed countries. This means Japan likely has the highest rate of childless women in the world. After Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest rates of lifelong childlessness. South Korea (12.9%) is seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), but still less than half of Japan's rate. The difference between South Korea and Japan shows that even though South Korea has a lower birth rate, more South Korean women have at least one child compared to Japan. This is because more Japanese families have multiple kids. Willem Adema, an OECD economist, says, "In South Korea, the cost of raising kids is so high that many families only have one child, while in Japan, families often have 2-3 kids." In summary, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to more families with multiple kids. But, Japan also has a much higher percentage of women who never have children compared to South Korea.
@@Aight2-sf5wk great comment and very interesting information - I don’t want to spend my entire life never knowing what it is to be a mother, so if I am able to, I would like at least one kid, preferably two (so they won’t be alone after I’m gone). Thank you 🌺❤️
Don't be fooled, she's lying. It's scientifically proven that young Korean women reject men. In particular, young Korean men and women are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and ideology. Men are far-right, women are liberal. This is also shown in surveys. In the world, Korea is probably the only country where gender differences are this big.
Great coverage, if it had shown that Womad, which was a bastion of Korean-style feminism, was using Nazi symbols as "recommend" buttons, people would have better understood their severity
@@7heTexanRebelWrong. I'm a conventionally attractive guy who never had to approach women because they approached me all the time, and I lost my virginity at 25 because I was waiting for a good woman to marry. Also, most incels are actually volcel, because they're not interested in hiring prostitutes or using hook-up sites. Most of them want the relationship more than sex, i.e. they simply have standards they can't reach, and having standards is volcel, since you could just lower them any time you want.
It's not a generalization if it's true plus knowing that women are blamed for man's actions or just seeing how this world is towards women, women know they're good men but don't know who so it's all till we know them individually
@@0fficialselena__90 Continue being a victim. Never ever has that mindset improved a single Human beings life. Men are pure evil and women are angels right ?
@@0fficialselena__90 Where's the logic in this? "it's all until we know them individually." How will you ever know them individually? it's impossible, your statement is ridiculous. I could say the same about women but that's morally wrong. How is your statement right and fair? Generalizing is such an insensitive thing to do for all the innocent people out there, have some kindness in your heart for a fellow human.
I worked wit Koreans for 15 years, was in Korea couple of times and I can say that we have tendency to judge all from our Western perspective. I observed that role of women is not as these Western people say, for sure it is not patriarcat. In many cases I saw it was the women who decides about most important things in family.
Western media saw something they push in their own countries and latched on to the topic. They completely and purposefully omit the fact that nobody really is a part of that nonsense in Korea.
I agree with you. This trend can be observed not only towards South Korea but also towards Japan. Could it be due to cultural differences? Western media often report with the assumption that their values are inherently correct.
@@gotakazawa408 I've heard stories of them doing that in Japan as well. Western nations and their people are brought up from birth to believe that all other countries are backwards and underdeveloped if they do not live by the exact same culture and moral priorities. To be fair, though, the f*minist movement in Western nations is a tool of their leading far left political parties. This is why there is the illusion of it being so popular in their nations when in reality if you go there, the men are disgusted and tired of dealing with the "girl power/girl boss" era and are going to Asia (Korea, Japan, Thailand, The Phillipines, Singapore, etc) all to find more feminine traditional asian wives since that's how our nations still do things for the most part.
Its not just these countries either, its almost like evey Southeast and East Asian country is played in some way in a manipulative manner. Especially in political sphere
As a man with 3 sisters, a mom, a stepmom, a wife and a daughter, I recognize that there is a lot of things that society (regardless of what advanced country we live in) need to do better on. I agree with you that each generation is trying to be better towards each other as genders, we are not perfect at it but neither side should be demonizing the other as a whole if we hope to find the way to where we need to be. Thank you for your video and view on the subject
The thing though is that every Era or generation have never gotten better and now, we are going backwards because throughout history up till now, seems that women are the one who have come far along with a few men but men haven't much evolved plus, these are things I hear from men a lot too! So men and women gave valid reasons for feeling the way they do around men so to kind of say something like this sounds privileged 🤔
Misandry is not real in terms of a social phenomenon, as a structure of oppression, while misogyny is a wide spread phenomenon that oppresses women. Yes, there can be misandrist women, but the world is not misandrist, on the contrary, it's certainly misogynist. The dictionary definitions are not an end in themselves. The term misandry is often used to make seem that there are two extreme opposites in a certain "equivalence", but men are not oppressed by women, it's the other way around. You can check the index of domestic violence, sexual crimes, femicide, etc. men perpetrates against women versus the opposite. There are women who abuse men, yes, but it's far less. I hope that helped.
Why don’t you march for the equal right to get drafted. Korean men are forced to do military duty. Nothing you do as women can amount to the fear and pain men are forced. Check your privilege
Go watch Ukraine drone videos and get humbled. millions of men are dead in the ground so you can have the privilege to sit in your air conditioned home and type that.we built the world check the stats for most women jobs. Service jobs.
@@duckyh9712That still doesn't change the fact that men are the biggest threat to women, children and other men. Look at how millions of women worldwide get harassed, assaulted, r*ped, tortured, abused and killed by men and said men get away with it while the lives of the women have been completely ruined. Check your privilege.
The same sort of skewed and sensationalized misinformation is also very common when it comes to social problems concerning Japan... it's truly irritating
In my personal opinion, Japanese culture is significantly different from Western culture and, with a few exceptions, is unfortunately not well understood. Ironically, this lack of understanding is one of the reasons why Japan has become such a popular tourist destination recently.
I dunno... the claim that feminism in Korea before 2015 or whatever seems wild to me without knowing much about Korean feminist history. Maybe Western pop feminism wasn't in Korea so much before then but I really doubt feminist organizzing wasn't happening before then. With a quick search I actually found an article about Ewha Women's University opening a Women's Studies Program in the late 70s... so at least there's that as an example.
I don’t agree with take seems like your take is very manufactured by people around you. Like “its unfair men serve in military and women don’t hence why they are upset at women” a rational person would say “well who made those rules and who fault is it? And why get mad at women when they didn’t made those rules” somehow male frustration over benign stuff is ok but female frustration over gender based violence/pornography is not?
Military service is not a "benign thing". Both men and women vote for politicians who make laws for the country. It's not a one sided problem. You're the one trying to "manufacture" a false narrative.
@@charlesdole for South korea it is. South korea is not israel they aren’t fighting Hamas or other terrorist groups, South Korea is also not Thailand where Thai militants have to fight pirates and ISIS. Death in south korean military is very rare and the when it does happen on rare occasions its due to mishaps in training, they are training for future attacks from north but aren’t actively fighting. On the other hand deaths in IDF or Thai military (both countries have military conscription and have low amount of misogyny) it’s quite common to die, i don’t see heavy misogyny from their side? So what is this “military is hard hence misandry exists” is coming from? There was study conducted in south korea asking if women should be allowed for military conscription 55-60% participants said no. Its self victimization Also it might seem backwards but a traditional country believes women should give birth, raise population and men should fight in war and protect country. Fight traditionalism PS: i’m all for women conscription in military but it will take a massive blow to SK’s already low population. Again fight traditionalism
@@llpp11 Your logic = "people aren't dying therefor it's benign". That's called black and white fallacy. 2 years of training and labor whilst being underpayed and isolated from society, is a huge disadvantage to your career in early 20s.
Great video and a very balanced take on all aspects covered! It's amazing how normalised misandry has become over the last few decades that very few people can even notice it anymore.
American women should pay attention to the problems faced by women in their country first such as over-sexualization in the name of "liberty" and "women empowerment". Something we can see on those Sam Levinson series.
You act like that 'over sexualization' hasn't happened at all before the liberation, only difference now is that women have control over it so I don't see what the problem is. Piss off, you're not controlling women's bodies.
thank you for sharing this info anna!! your commentary is always so appreciated!! loved how you brought a perfect balance to kpc, dkdk etc!!! 화이팅 아나!!!!
HOW is Anna not married! She seems to be the epitome of well balanced human and cute too. I hope she finds the love that she deserves. Great video and analysis.
I hace been tryba find actual Koreans speaking in it for a very long time lol I read Kim Jiyoung it's an amazing book and I think every culture needs a book like that. But I'm very thankful that I got this perspective bc I felt something wasn't right when there was only like 3 articles about it and then 1000 TikToks
it is so refreshing to hear a no nonsense, down-to-the-point, rational individual putting together a well-made response to the craziness around us. Thanks for that. Greetings from Italy
Maybe you and your bubble is too old and this is going on 20s. Your experience is so opposite to my bubble and even they call them selves as a non-feminist, even anti-feminist, most of 20s don’t want to get married nor in the relationship. You sound like my parents.. lol
Oh yeah, she’s a pick me who’s using this uptick in Korean popularity in the mainstream to make money. “It’s not an issue” okay now they’re reporting THOUSANDS of men spreading AI porn not to mention the COUNTLESS sex crimes that happen in that country. Yeah…burn down that birth rate idc!
thanks for this informative vid. Ever since trump won i've been seeing ppl on twitter talk about this "4b" thing and how all korean women are doing it lmfao. But i knew that had to be BS, didn't even make sense. ppl on twitter are all agreeing, liking, and retweeting those posts as if it were true, crazy.
Its good to hear someone with truly balanced views tell the situation how it is. It seems like most of the time the most extreme opinions are the easiest to find. We are having similar problems with gender wars here in the west. Men and Women need to focus on loving and supporting each other like you said. That is where the conversation needs to go. Thanks!
What a great video! Your common sense is gold, rare and highly valuable. I came here after your live with David because you made a comment about it and I'm so glad I did 👏😄
I wish there were more people in the world like you who are striving to promote understanding and harmony rather than sow anger and division. All the constant online rage is exhausting.
thank you so much for talking about what korean men go through i know there are going to be dumb ppl who get mad abt that which is just stupid you dont know how badly ive been wanting to say all these things my self
Thanks for this video, it was enlightening. The very best point for people to take away from this is: Trust what you know over what a stranger on the internet says.
Still, unreasonable people will try to manipulate public opinion. Smart people will objectively look at the facts and judge for themselves. (1) Are Korean men more prone to crime? There's a survey result showing that 75% of South Koreans believe that South Korea is a safe country to walk alone at night. (For reference, Japan, which is known for its good public safety, has a rate of 67%.) Not all crimes are recorded in each country due to issues with administrative capacity or low crime clearance rates. For example, as of 2019, South Korea has one of the highest crime clearance rates in the world at 83.3%. (Especially, the murder clearance rate in Korea is 100%.) Let's compare various categories among advanced countries with relatively high administrative capabilities and relatively low unsolved crime rates. (The number of occurrences per million people.)(Countries with insufficient data are excluded from the respective categories. Exclusion is not due to low ranking.)(The source of crime rate statistics is the UNODC database, with some OECD data referenced. Data collection for the UK was limited to England and Wales.)
(5) Do young Korean men still prefer patriarchal values? -in the past, Korea's patriarchal system was based on meritocracy. 'Men are strong, earning a lot of money on their own to support their families, while wives educate the children and take care of the household chores.' But Nowadays, with skyrocketing housing prices and rising costs of living making it difficult for single-income households, most young people aspire to share both breadwinning and household responsibilities equally. - Marriage information company Gayeon revealed on the 1st that it conducted a survey on the 'marriage cost and housing expenses sharing' through a recent open survey of 'single men and women's thoughts on dual-income households'. The survey targeted 1,000 unmarried men and women aged 25 to 39 nationwide (500 men, 500 women). Perceptions regarding 'dual-income households' were as follows: 'Necessary (72.1%)', 'Not necessary (3.7%)', 'No particular opinion (24.2%)'. When categorized by gender, 'necessary' was reported by 74.2% of men and 70% of women, 'not necessary' by 4.4% of men and 3% of women, and 'no particular opinion' by 21.4% of men and 27% of women, indicating that while men had a slightly higher percentage, overall both men and women agreed on the necessity of dual-income households. Furthermore, when asked about the reasons for desiring dual-income households among the 721 respondents who wanted them, the responses were as follows: 'For economic stability and leisure activities (54.9%)', 'To maintain self-realization and career advancement (25.8%)', 'For retirement planning (9.4%)', 'For purchasing a home and repaying loans (9.2%)', 'Other (0.7%)'.
When it comes to incidents of R, countries like the United States, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and Sweden are among those with the highest rates."
What I'm focusing on is the percentage of women who remain childless throughout their lives in certain countries. While South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, Japan has the highest percentage of women who never have children. Demographically, women who reach the age of 50 without having children are classified as "lifelong childless." According to the OECD last month, 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries (average 16.2%), meaning 1 in 3.5 Japanese women has never experienced childbirth. Generally, developing countries have higher birth rates and lower percentages of childless women compared to developed countries. This implies that the rate of childlessness among Japanese women is estimated to be the highest in the world. Following Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest percentages of lifelong childlessness among women. South Korea (12.9%) ranks seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), still at less than half of Japan’s rate. The difference in lifelong childlessness rates between South Korea and Japan indicates that while South Korea has a lower birth rate than Japan, the percentage of women with at least one child is higher in South Korea. This discrepancy is largely due to Japan having more families with multiple children. Willem Adema, a senior economist at the OECD, explains, "In South Korea, the cost of educating children is so high that many families have only one child, whereas in Japan, families often have 2-3 children." In conclusion, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to a higher proportion of families with multiple children. However, the percentage of women who remain childless is much higher in Japan than in South Korea.
The all men stuff is something women say as a self caution and to protect themselves until they know those individually like even if it's what black people say the same for white even if it's true doesn't make their experiences valid and being black in this world knowing we have no protection then I understand why black would move a certain way around white people even after SOOO many experiences they've had, it's not generalizing nor bad just a protection thing
한국여자로서 당신의 영상을 봤을때, 편향되게 남자입장을 대변하는 느낌이며 한국여자의 4b운동의 영향성을 과소평가하고 있는 느낌이었습니다. 또한 잘못된 정보도 몇개 있네요. 먼저 단순히 데이팅 앱 사용자수만 가져왔는데요. 7:05의 통계 제목에는 사용자 수와 성비가 둘 다 있는데 왜 사용자수만 가져와 한국여성 또한 데이트에 관심 있는 것처럼 말하시나요? 틴더, 아만다등 대부분의 데이트 앱 성비는 남자가 8, 여자가 2이고. 심한 경우는 9:1도 나옵니다.
한국의 대표적인 결혼정보회사 듀오도 최근 보건복지부와 간담회를 가졌는데 듀오 대표가 여성들 사이에 비혼이 확산되어 결혼과 출산을 꺼려 남는 남성이 많다고 언급하기까지 했습니다. 장기적으로 국제결혼까지 생각해야 한다고 언급했고요. 원하는 정보만 선택하여 전달하는 느낌이 강하네요
객관적인 사실을 언급하는게 나을 것 같지만 당신도 개인적인 경험을 예시로 들었기 때문에 말해보자면 저는 한국 수도권에 사는 20대 중반 여자인데, 제 주변 친구들 중 연애하는 비율은 10명 중 2명정도밖에 되지 않으며 이는 통계로도 그렇게 나와요 또한 저는 4b를 하는 여자임에도 같은 여자에게 4b 운동에 대해서 절대 언급하지 않는데 그 이유는 당신 같은 여성은 4b를 비정상이라고 생각하며 페미니스트에 대해 부정적으로 생각하는 경향이 있기 때문이에요. 한국에서 여자가 페미니스트라고 소문나면 부정적인 말만 듣고요^^
@@fisaor 아진짜요? 저 4b 검색해서 들어왔는데 한국여자라면서 이 얘기하길래 백수인가 했네요 ㅋㅋ아니 영국에서 자리 못잡아서 들어온거 같은데 알지도 못하는거 가지고 찐 한녀들얘기한데요 ㅋㅋㅋ이 분 한국 취업시장 들어오면 눈물 찔찔흘리면서 우리가 뭔 얘기하는지 알 듯 ㅋㅋㅋ
Why do people think that they know what is going on in other people’s country. They should just focus on what’s is happening in their own country and focus on themselves. I really love your channel @Anna ❤❤ well down this is how you shut down unreasonable people.
I'm a Korean woman and I do 4B. I enjoyed your video, but there are some things that are wrong. I'd like to point out a few things. 1. There were feminists in Korea even before Megalia. It was only in 2007 that the "호주제", where only men are the owners of the family register and women are ignored, was abolished in Korea. It was thanks to the efforts of many feminists. At that time, feminists were attacked by Korean men as "feminazi" even though there was no mirroring or so-called aggression towards men. In other words, the image of feminists in Korea was not good even before Megalia. 2. People gather with like-minded people. You say there are no 4B practitioners around you, but there are many around me. This is why we shouldn't trust our own experiences and should keep an eye on statistics. It is clear that "non-marriage" has become an option among women. Statistics show that at any given time, at least 30% of women say they will never get married. There are economic reasons for this, but there are also patriarchal cultural factors. 3. Maybe you and I are too old for this topic, but the younger girls don't feel the need to get married. I did a survey in a high school and 9 out of 10 girls said "I don't have to get married." This is a far cry from our generation. I had the opportunity to talk to a girl younger than me, and when I explained the 4Bs to her, she said, "I didn't know the word, but I was already doing this." She said her friends were doing the same. They already know that it's not easy for women to get married in a country that has one of the lowest rates of housework.
Except all the data shows the economics and cost of living is what is driving the average marriage rate in to the 30's, not feminism or gender conflict or discrimination. You are just inserting personal opinion here unfortunately..
@@sadasasdas8467 According to a survey conducted by the Korea Population, Health and Welfare Association in June 2020 on 1,000 unmarried men and women in their 30s on the reasons for remaining single, women ranked first and second respectively as “because I thought I would be happier living alone (25.3%)” and “because of the patriarchal system and gender inequality culture (24.7%).” On the other hand, men answered most often as “because I thought it would be realistically difficult to meet the conditions for marriage (51.1%).” This suggests that there are differences in the reasons and patterns of choosing to remain single depending on gender.
@@dodo-j7s1. You should mention that the survey was asking if the subjects prefer to be "unmarried" not being "single". That's not an accurate translation. 2. The survey says that 30% of the participant women and 18.8% of men do not want to marry. The responses you wrote were within those percentages. Granted the study is accurate, the women who are actively rejecting marriage due to political reasons(aka patriarchy and what not) is less than 8%. That would be even less in the scope of the entire population.
People are too comfortable acting like they know what they talk about and are quick to shut down anyone that disagrees with anything they say.
And the thing is that they don't even try to use logical arguments. They shoot the shaming shotgun at the first sign of confrontation lol
Exactly! That’s social media for you 😪
The 4B movement could never be a mainstream movement in South Korea. It could never be a mainstream movement in Europe or even in the United States. Very few women in all countries are willing to give up on relationships with men for feminist reasons, it doesn't matter how bad they are. that's the truth. Women like that are a very small group in all societies, especially in societies like South Korea. It takes a lot of self-respect and self-preservation instinct to do that.
@@lauralemon4890 It's funny because in America, we make fun of the "men movement" that wanted to "move on from women." Cringe when men do it, slay when women do. Double standards much?
@@ponykazy3725 you seem to think men and women are the same and face the same types of problems with the other gender. and the "men movement" don't move away from women. that would be a blessing. so obvioulsy there is a "double standard" and for good reason. It's not the same thing.
As an American, I feel secondhand embarrassment when Americans try to Koreasplain Korea to a Korean woman. I’m also deeply uncomfortable for anyone to laugh and gloat while talking about the literal extinction of an ethnicity.
“Koreasplain” 🤣🤣🤣 I’m Korean, and yes I have heard a lot of preaching about social problems in Korea from foreigners. Some of them have really weird ideas 😂
@@yj8641 Many of them have probably never even been out of their home country before. 😂🤣😂🤣
lol sum'll swear they know more about Korea than Koreans, especially the ones that probably can't even find Korea on the map lmfao
They do this with literally every country 🥲
And they ignore the great things that Korea has done. This country has completely turned their economy around in a relatively short time. Yes, there are issues, but what country doesn't have issues? ESPECIALLY the US of A! smh
Thank you for taking the time to share and educate us! 4B picked up steam in the last few years and especiallyyyy since the US election results. I found your video when I was trying to find information for the Korean perspective and am shocked at how sensationalized it’s been here.
i'm a korean american woman living in korea and the FIRST time i had heard of 4B movement was when an american friend asked me about it... and when i asked my korean friends about it no one had heard of it?? typically western media shit.
It’s a lot of projection from westerners.
Mainly American media, let’s be honest. They’re doing the same thing with Spanish by changing all the gendered words’ spelling and adding “X” to include all genders, but it doesn’t work and it only happens in the US
Back when I lived in Korea in 2021 I heard about it though, and I did not use TikTok fb or instagram at the time.
I've never heard of it too
Western feminist media for you. Democracy =democrazy. Free speech is over rated. Western feminist run their mouth too much and need to learn to shut up!
As someone who's lived here in Korea for a decade, this video hits the nail on the head exactly. The conversation around gender equality, feminism, and misogyny/misandry is not a 1:1 comparison to the west. Korea has it's own unique problems that has led to a divergence in the way people perceive this issue between westerners and Koreans. Western people trying to understand these very complex and deep seeded issues in Korea through their own lens can really cause misinterpretations of the public sentiment in Korea
The whole world knows that south korea is a VERY MALE dominated country and culture. So there is no way you can try to escape this!! And yes, I have been to Japan, Taiwan, Hong kong, China, Vietnam, Phillippines, Thailand. They do not have a such male dominated culture as south korea. And yes, I am Asian myself. There are many problems with cultures like south korea. For example 160 people died in that alley with dance clubs, all your korean male party goers refused to let people out, and 160 of them died. This does NOT happen in any other Asian countries.
@@jeffjohnson5053 160 people is not big number of 50 million Koren
@@jeffjohnson5053 This does NOT happen in any other Asian countries yas 160 people is not big number of 50 million Koren
@@jeffjohnson5053I'm Asian!!!! Korea bad!!! I can say this because I'm Asian!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@jeffjohnson5053 모르면 입을 닫아. 凸 아는척 하지말고
That's quite the narrative the first woman is spinning. The low birthrate is NOT a feminist movement. It's a combination of low opportunity, long academic careers, financial depression, and many other factors.
And feminism. Korea didn't have birth rate issues before feminism.
Women not wanting to deal with men anymore is indeed part of it 😂😂 bfr
@@bgos4727 No doubt, and vice versa. But there's no Korean "feminist movement" with numbers of women that matter, with the goal of denying men or putting them in their place.
It's just not a thing. She's projecting her own hatred of men onto a population which she knows nothing about.
@@thathandsomedevil0828yep, but i would say it's mostly hypercapitalism
@@Ainglish-qj5bbTRUEEE. I wish there's more people like u on the internet
Leave it to Americans to sensationalize and amplify the most extreme interpretation of any school of thought. I get embarrassed about it every other day at this point.
Seriously
Sensationalism get clicks. There's also the problem described by Eric Hoffer: "A great cause begins as a movement, then becomes a business, and then degenerates into a racket"
Blame Reddit and Twitter and tiktok. They are misandrist af but claim they aren't. They hate men to the point they actually want 4B to be the main thing happening in Korea when it isn't
Leave it to the three letter agencies🕴🏽
She clearly stated it wasn't mainly American
I'm Korean American, read Korean news every single day, and never heard of this movement, sounds like manufactured
i remember seeing soooo many photo of people parading with signs there i wonder how many was staged maybe to get people talking about korea again???
This happens so often. Prime example , the protests in Israel. The very small amount of protesters doesn’t represent like 99% of Israelis. But Westerners esp Americans cling on to the small story to fit their desires
It really is a very small movement, less than 5,000 women seem to belong to this movement. The movement gained traction because of the book Kim JiYoung, Born 1982 - first the head of the Justice Party gave President Moon a copy with the message to please embrace the book. You also had Red Velvet's Irene telling fans at a fan meet that she was a fan of the book (think RM and Sooyoung also said they liked the book). Male fans in Korea began attacking her, burning and cutting up her photo. I think the Escape the Corset and the Me Too movements in Korea also embraced the book (which sold over a million copies). I think it spawned this very small movement which is very hardcore about their beliefs and tried to be very visible whenever possible. It's not a manufactured movement, but it's simply a very small one that really hasn't grown past it's initial small base. From what I also understand, 4B often tries to claim a much larger membership number by including women identified with the Me Too and Escape the Corset movements (but aside from appreciating the book don't really see themselves as having anything in common). Put another way, just because goth and vampire culture look very similar and may get confused with each other, they aren't the same.
I'm a young Korean woman myself living in Korea and I'm quite sure most women in my ages who are interested in what's going on in society are heard of 4B movement. Even though not many would say openly that they are supporters, it centainly represents how women of my generation percieves marrage, relationships and equiality
@@gomdol-np2uy “young women interested in what’s going on in society” aka activists…the activists you know bc you are in activist, her point provenb
Here are the gender equality rankings based on the 2019 UN Gender Inequality Index(GII). This index evaluates three areas: reproductive health, empowerment, and labor participation. Specifically, it measures maternal mortality rates, adolescent birth rates, female parliamentary representation, secondary education rates, and economic participation. The index ranges from 0 (complete equality) to 1 (complete inequality), providing an assessment of the absolute progress in women's rights. For instance, maternal mortality reflects the state of healthcare for women, while adolescent birth rates indicate the advancement of sex education.
Here are the rankings:
1. Switzerland - 0.025
2. Norway - 0.038
3. Finland - 0.039
4. Netherlands - 0.043
5. Denmark - 0.043
6. Sweden - 0.045
7. Belgium - 0.045
8. South Korea - 0.047
9. France - 0.049
10. Iceland - 0.058
11. Slovenia - 0.063
12. Taiwan - 0.064
13. Luxembourg - 0.065
14. Singapore - 0.065
15. Austria - 0.069
16. Italy - 0.069
17. Spain - 0.070
18. Japan - 0.075
19. Portugal - 0.079
20. Canada - 0.080
21. Germany - 0.084
22. Cyprus - 0.086
23. Estonia - 0.086
24. Ireland - 0.093
25. New Zealand - 0.094
26. Australia - 0.097
27. United Kingdom - 0.109
28. Montenegro - 0.109
29. Poland - 0.115
30. Greece - 0.116
31. Croatia - 0.116
32. United Arab Emirates - 0.118
33. Belarus - 0.118
34. Israel - 0.123
35. Lithuania - 0.124
36. Serbia - 0.132
37. Czech Republic - 0.136
38. North Macedonia - 0.143
39. Bosnia and Herzegovina - 0.149
40. China - 0.168
41. Malta - 0.175
42. Latvia - 0.176
43. Albania - 0.181
44. Qatar - 0.185
45. Kazakhstan - 0.190
46. Slovakia - 0.191
47. United States - 0.204
48. Moldova - 0.204
49. Bulgaria - 0.206
50. Bahrain - 0.212
51. Russia - 0.225
The Gender Gap Index (GGI) measures the relative differences between men and women, meaning that even if women's overall status is high, if they fall behind men, the GGI and its ranking can be low. This design allows the GGI to compare gender gaps without considering the socioeconomic level of each country.
For example, a developed country with high overall economic participation but significant gender differences may rank lower than a less developed country where both men and women participate at similar, albeit low, rates. Countries like Rwanda or the Philippines, where social norms mandate women to engage in work equally to men, can achieve high scores despite their lower economic conditions. Similarly, countries like Sweden, with strong egalitarian views, tend to score high because men and women perform similar jobs.
Rwanda scores high on the GGI due to its emphasis on female participation in politics and the economy, aligning with its traditions. However, other gender inequality issues, like domestic violence, still exist. Western interpretations may misread these scores, thinking they reflect progressive gender policies, while similar situations have different outcomes, such as post-war Serbia becoming more patriarchal.
Contrasts are evident in Saudi Arabia, a wealthy nation with significant gender disparities, and Korea, which had gender-equal customs in the Goryeo era but shifted towards male dominance in modern times. Despite Korea's progressive stance on women's education and suffrage compared to some Western countries, cultural practices influenced by Confucianism, which separates domestic and external roles, create discrepancies in Western gender equality views.
Cultural differences further manifest in perceptions of physical labor. Koreans may find it strange to see women performing heavy labor or operating machinery, a common sight in Western countries during wartime. This cultural divide is apparent when comparing gender roles in relationships; for example, Korean women dating Swedish men may struggle with the expectation of equal division of labor.
GGI rankings often favor countries with gender norms resembling those in Europe and America, thus not accurately reflecting gender equality in diverse cultural contexts. These rankings cannot reliably indicate how well women's rights are upheld in a mix of developed, developing, and underdeveloped countries.
Moreover, the GGI is frequently conflated with broader terms like gender equality index or gender equality rankings, but it is distinct from indices like the Gender Inequality Index (GII). The GGI measures the average gender gap across all ages, not gender equality. Gender equality indices are relative; for instance, if men score 10 and women 9, the gender gap is seen as less than 10%, but this does not mean the overall score is high.
A notable disparity in Korea is the university enrollment rates between men and women. Men's rates can exceed 100% due to military service interruptions and subsequent re-enrollments. Additionally, 80% of graduates from lucrative engineering fields in Korea are men, largely because women tend to avoid science tracks in high school due to the high level of mathematical difficulty.
In conclusion, while the GGI provides insights into gender gaps, it does not fully account for cultural, societal, and structural differences that influence gender equality across nations.
In Korea, there exists the Equal Employment Opportunity Law for both genders. According to this law, companies cannot hire discriminatively based on gender. However, despite its name, some criticize that there are no clauses specifically protecting men. I agree with the necessity of this law, but it seems there is room for improvement.
Positive example of this law in action:
An example would be the 'KB Kookmin Bank gender discrimination in hiring and corruption incident'. KB Kookmin Bank intentionally favored men, resulting in penalties under this law.
Negative example where this law did not positively impact:
An example would be the controversy over the Game Rating and Administration Committee's biased hiring towards women with career gaps and disabled individuals. They rigidly excluded men by making career gaps and disability prerequisites for monitoring team recruitment, receiving only written warnings from the Ministry of Employment and Labor, as legal enforcement is not feasible and G.R.A.C. certainly ignored it and did not amend their qualifications requirements. Eventually, this incident pointed out that this law has room for improvement.
In Korea, in cases of divorce, parents must agree on matters regarding the custody of their children, or if they cannot agree, the family court will decide on custody matters either at its own discretion or upon request by the parties (Civil Code, Article 837, Paragraphs 1, 2, and 4).
1. Determination of custody
2. Burden of child-rearing costs
3. Exercise of visitation rights and methods thereof
1. For children aged 0 to 6:
- Father has custody rights: 8.6%
- Mother has custody rights: 91.4%
2. For children in elementary school (age 7 to 12):
- Father has custody rights: 18.5%
- Mother has custody rights: 81.5%
3. For children in middle school or older (age 13 and above):
- Father has custody rights: 30.4%
- Mother has custody rights: 69.6%
Additionally, if children are primarily raised by their mother after divorce in Korea, they can change their surname to their mother's surname if they wish to do so..
(Ps.The father is usually required to provide child support monthly.)
According to the 2013 police crime statistics, there were 5,753 cases of R, including both attempts and completions, reported in South Korea. In the same period, the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family conducted a nationwide survey on sexual violence, estimating that 32,500 women, or 0.13% of the total female population, were victims of R or attempted R in 2013. This implies a reporting rate of approximately 18%.
In South Korea, the conviction rate for sexual crimes is over 90%. In contrast, Germany's conviction rate is around 8%, and Sweden's is about 23%, significantly lower than South Korea's standards.
According to the '2022 Judicial Yearbook' published by the Court Administration Office of Korea in September last year, there were 5,161 cases filed under the 'Act on Special Cases Concerning the Punishment of Sexual Crimes' in 2021. Of these, 5,018 cases (97.2%) were processed. Excluding 55 cases referred to the juvenile division and 290 other cases, there were 4,673 sexual crime cases (90.5%) that reached a first-instance verdict.
Among these first-instance verdicts, only 124 cases (2.7%) resulted in acquittals. When adding suspended sentences (47 cases), sentence exemptions (3 cases), and dismissals (2 cases), the total percentage is just 3.8%. Conversely, the conviction rate, including imprisonment, fines, and suspended sentences, stands at approximately 96.3%.
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According to the 2013 police crime statistics, there were 5,753 cases of R, including both attempts and completions, reported in South Korea. In the same period, the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family conducted a nationwide survey on sexual violence, estimating that 32,500 women, or 0.13% of the total female population, were victims of R or attempted R in 2013. This implies a reporting rate of approximately 18%.
In South Korea, the conviction rate for sexual crimes is over 90%. In contrast, Germany's conviction rate is around 8%, and Sweden's is about 23%, significantly lower than South Korea's standards.
According to the '2022 Judicial Yearbook' published by the Court Administration Office of Korea in September last year, there were 5,161 cases filed under the 'Act on Special Cases Concerning the Punishment of Sexual Crimes' in 2021. Of these, 5,018 cases (97.2%) were processed. Excluding 55 cases referred to the juvenile division and 290 other cases, there were 4,673 sexual crime cases (90.5%) that reached a first-instance verdict.
Among these first-instance verdicts, only 124 cases (2.7%) resulted in acquittals. When adding suspended sentences (47 cases), sentence exemptions (3 cases), and dismissals (2 cases), the total percentage is just 3.8%. Conversely, the conviction rate, including imprisonment, fines, and suspended sentences, stands at approximately 96.3%.
In the United States, the reporting rate for R is about 16%, which is very low, and only a small number of perpetrators are punished, drawing significant criticism.
According to RAINN, only 5.7% of R incidents lead to an arrest, just 1.1% of incidents are referred to a prosecutor, and only 0.7% result in a felony conviction. Even fewer, 0.6% of incidents lead to incarceration. This is despite false accusations accounting for only 2-8% of reported SA, according to WVFRIS.
“In particular, child SA can go on for months or even years before they tell someone,” said Nikki Godfrey, Assistant State Coordinator for WVFRIS. “And the victim may be threatened or coerced to keep this secret.”
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In Sweden, according to Brå in 2013, it is likely that as many as 80% of all R cases are not reported. This was confirmed in a 2014 study on violence against women funded by the Swedish government and the Crime Victim Compensation and Support Authority. Comparatively, a 2007 British Government report estimated that between 75 and 95% of R cases are not reported in the United Kingdom.
In 2009, Amnesty International published a report on R in the Nordic countries, criticizing the low conviction rates in Sweden. Amnesty cited estimates from Brå of around 30,000 R incidents, with less than 13% of the 3,535 reported R crimes resulting in a decision to start legal proceedings, and only 216 convictions in 2007, using the word "impunity" to describe the situation.
The number of convictions remained relatively unchanged from 2005 to 2014, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year. In 2015, there were 176 convictions for R and aggravated R in Sweden. The total number of convictions for sexual offenses, including R and other crimes such as buying sexual services, was 1,160.
The low conviction rate could be explained by the reduced legal distinction between R and consensual intercourse, leading to greater challenges for the prosecution to prove its case, according to Petter Asp, Professor of Criminal Law at Stockholm University.
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In the United States, the reporting rate for R is about 16%, which is very low, and only a small number of perpetrators are punished, drawing significant criticism. According to RAINN, only 5.7% of R incidents lead to an arrest, just 1.1% of incidents are referred to a prosecutor, and only 0.7% result in a felony conviction. Even fewer, 0.6% of incidents lead to incarceration. This is despite false accusations accounting for only 2-8% of reported SA, according to WVFRIS. "In particular, child SA can go on for months or even years before they tell someone," said Nikki Godfrey, Assistant State Coordinator for WVFRIS. "And the victim may be threatened or coerced to keep this secret."
In Sweden, according to Brå in 2013, it is likely that as many as 80% of all R cases are not reported. This was confirmed in a 2014 study on violence against women funded by the Swedish government and the Crime Victim Compensation and Support Authority. Comparatively, a 2007 British Government report estimated that between 75 and 95% of R cases are not reported in the United Kingdom.
In 2009, Amnesty International published a report on R in the Nordic countries, criticizing the low conviction rates in Sweden. Amnesty cited estimates from Brå of around 30,000 R incidents, with less than 13% of the 3,535 reported R crimes resulting in a decision to start legal proceedings, and only 216 convictions in 2007, using the word "impunity" to describe the situation.
The number of convictions remained relatively unchanged from 2005 to 2014, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year. In 2015, there were 176 convictions for R and aggravated R in Sweden. The total number of convictions for sexual offenses, including R and other crimes such as buying sexual services, was 1,160.
The low conviction rate could be explained by the reduced legal distinction between R and consensual intercourse, leading to greater challenges for the prosecution to prove its case, according to Petter Asp, Professor of Criminal Law at Stockholm University.
As a black woman who lives in the US. I understand your frustration. There are many people who "speak about situations" that are exaggerated or taken out of context. Also, as you mentioned, the pay gap, abuse of power, and other patriotic issues happen around the world. As someone already said in the comments. People feel too comfortable talking about things without fact-checking and trying to cancel anyone who doesn't agree. Whatever happened to learning about the facts? That's just my opinion.
25 years ago I was working in Illinois and CNN or NYT put out an article about pay gap and gender in the U.S.. They listed several fields where women make more than men. Usually female dominated fields. Usually fields that require advanced degrees. This is not Afghanistan where girls can’t attend school even when minors. Women don’t need permission to get a job like Iran. At the end of the day it does not matter who makes more or less but if one makes enough. I watched Kdramas all the time and the wealth gap is perplexing and confusing to me living in Midwest USA. For example everything seems relative. An officer worker of four years lives in a rooftop apartment and saved 100K USD in 4 years being frugal. His senior who worked 9 years in a perfectly decent renovated villa who put down 50K USD as key money and pays 200 USD monthly rent. But he is ‘poor’ and does not have enough money. His peers referred to him as poor. He was perfectly fine growing up until others voiced he was poor cause of the size of the apartment and likely it was not a high rise. So he will not marry and is putting off dating and spending money until he buys a big apartment. Which may be never if his stock choices bad or the market turns. In the U.S. I could pay a lot more for a house but I also could pay a lot less than I do. No one cares if I’m in a condo, townhome, single family, McMansion.
Are you kidding? That isn’t opinion. You are speaking facts. The most arrogant person on any topic is usually the most ignorant on said topic. The most intelligent people I know figured out that they actually know very little. This is the catch 22 though. The most intelligent among us don’t believe that they have all the answers but the least educated are loud and pushy and since most humans respond to who is loudest is how humanity consistently ends up with bad leadership.
@@Behinddarkness86 who are you talking to?
@@kristinesharp6286 The woman who wrote the original post.
Fact is, the pay gap doesn't exist in the USA.
It’s only a small percentage of women who are actively involved in this movement and it seems to be more popular among Western women on TikTok than it is in Korea, because most women never heard of 4B.
Women like that are a very small group in all societies, especially in societies like South Korea. It takes a lot of self-respect and self-preservation instinct to do that.
A lot of Korean women are doing it silently. They will not say it publicly. Cause they will be physically abused
@@lauralemon4890"self-respect"
@@bear8190 self respect, no quotation marks.
@@sgtmian It takes a lot of "self respect" to be a radical misandrist
Wow!!! A logical person speaking with common sense, a dying breed. Fabulous job ms. Lee!
Americans trying not to think they're center of the universe challenge (impossible)
They're regime lemmings.
As an American, the universe is doomed if we're at the center of it, we'd probably Big Bang the place if we could.
@@MK_ULTRA420 hahaha u aint lying g
I'm Korean man and thank you for clearing all the insane misinformation about korean men that's online and shared among foreigners. you are truly an amazing person.
Thanks to Anna, the person trying to that hand sign is insecure herself, or themselves. They won't make friends this way...
BTW: Flagged that person for making "that" gesture...
Anna is a pick me girl
@@51844mj And you're a "girl's girl"? For what reason??
@@51844mj You're a numpty.
a lot of the assumptions are not far off and i think anna can be a biased a lot of times
Aaaaaand that's why I try to stay away from socials especially TT. It's a bubble. It's designed that way by its algorithm and pretty much any socials but more so in TT. People don't realize their bias when they try to debate about a topic. You have a very nuanced, smart take on the topic at hand. Great job Anna!
Very well done Anna. Common sense still lives in the majority of people.
But the number is declining, I think.
@@JoeV1True. It's concerning
There is no such thing as femicide. Because I have never experienced it. (I wrote a poem.)
She is lying. Let me give you the facts.
Young men's political inclination: Conservative (60-70%), young women's political inclination: Liberal (60-70%)
Do young women know the term 4b? : More people don't.
So do young women refuse to date men because of their misogyny? : Very often. Women in their 20s, and even teenagers, have a stronger tendency to do so.
Can a UA-camr who hates men survive in Korea? : Absolutely not. UA-camrs who hate men or criticize misogyny are buried.
On the other hand, can a UA-camr who hates women or criticizes feminists survive? : They have over 1.2 million subscribers and are influential enough to operate in the open.
Well, this is the reality of Korea. There is a stark difference in the ideology of young men and women, so it is inevitable that many women reject men. The UA-camr in this video is lying. She is weak to the strong and strong to the weak. She knows that if she criticizes misogynists here, she will be attacked by Korean men. She does not mention the differences in the tendencies of young Korean men and women at all.
Well done Anna, They are probably angry because you dismantled their lies with facts. It's very honourable to speak truth
actually they are angry because they liked to believe that women somewhere had a backbone.
The low fertility rate of korea is not a lie
@@alpacacomentadora413Why are the countries with the highest birth rates the ones with the highest gender inequality?
@@alpacacomentadora413 But the reasons behind it being 4B is a lie. Just go to Korea and you will see it yourself.
@@Aight2-sf5wk nah that’s Belgium !!!!
I love that you provided facts! You shut down all those people that think they know about Korea when they don’t.
I take the time to read several Korean newspapers daily. I have not read about that movement. People should not let Tik Tok or IG for example rely on subject matters as facts. I get annoyed when a friend tells me a “scientific truth” from “Tik Tok” that I should try. I know what was told to me was false & asked where did you get your information. I always use reliable confirmed sources. Yes, the media can sensationalize but it is up to the individual to seek more informative truth. Too much false information is out there. Great job, Ana!
Fork Rode microphone combo is undefeated
Lol 😂😂 I wonder how that happened to be. 😅😅 So random!
I thought the same!😂
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Didn't even notice till i read this comment 😂
I had to keep telling myself to stop focusing on the fork lol
My Japanese grandmother use to always send me cowboy clothes for my birthday and Christmas. Someone told her everyone where I live are cowboys. So, she thought I wanted to dress like one. No disrespect to her, and may she rest in peace, she made a similar mistake.
Anyway, my focus on Korea is mostly supply chains and logistics, geopolitics, and music. Never heard of the "movement" prior to today. Watch a lot of Korean TV and movies. Tons of K-Pop and more on my playlists. Do I judge Korea on it? Nope. It'd be like watching a Western (Cowboy movie.) and thinking everyone in the US is a cowboy because the movies were popular at the time. Sure, there's still cowboys here to this day, they're rare and have been for a very long time.
Anyway again, I'm waking up to this talk and my first through was that people really need to touch grass more. This stuff that gets talked about online isn't the real world.
spot on
Did your grandmother gift you cowboy shoes with the spurs that jingle jangle jingle?
Your grandma was adorable tho ❤
That's really funny and wholesome God bless sweet grandmas 😊
Your grandma's efforts to make you fit in appropriately into your new home, the wild wild west with its great plains and endless prairies, are sweet though. Yeehaw!!!
India faces a lot of the same issues that other Asian nations face when it comes to gender equality, but it is unique in that not only are women's rights never taken seriously, but rates of sexual violence are notoriously high. However, for whatever reason, I have not heard of feminist movements like 4B gripping India like it kinda did in South Korea. Believe me, I'm an Indian-American.
The irony of the original SK feminist movement was that they didn't have a problem with men, they had a problem with their mother in laws 😂
SK mother in laws are a menace so that's totally understandable. They balance it out by being very very caring to the grandchildren.
Nah. It's still rooted in what men were doing in general
@@alvinsmith3894it's rooted now. But if you're a Korean you know the specifics kekw
is both. The men and the mother in law.
this is another things that westerner doesn't understand,
mother in law fear is a things and that doesn't necessarily because of "men"
Tiktok pushes so much division
Tik TOK? I think the USA run internet since 2008 did that all on its own. I don't see Gender wars in Third World Countries with Feminism and Red Pill Manosphere. It's First World countrires and its been happening long before Tik Tok
It's basically owned by the Chinese government who would have an interest in sowing discord.
@@sor3999 That's what the USA does, Sweetheart. Take accountability and Stop pushing your blame on someone else. You cry wolf enough times and everybody doesn't believe a word you say.
Did you see how Tiktok pushed against the removal of itself in the US?
Its an ingenious way of controlling the opinions of a certain demographic.
Always
The little light in the middle of an abyss!
Light and much love to you for having the courage to stand for humanity and your country's people!❤
I was waiting for this video! Glad you pushed back with facts and disputed this 4B claim. Appreciate your insight from the Korean perspective. Off topic but necessary, need a new apartment tour, please…if that’s natural light, it’s amazing.
Good for you Anna! I'm not Korean but I'm tired of people making these generalized comments about Korea.
Agreed, it's hard to fight back with the truth because Korean population is too small so the voices get overshadowed and I don't see any Koreans online pushing back against the lies said by westerners and other clueless foreigners
I don't understand why the 4B movement is gaining popularity in other countries.. The low birthrate in South Korea is primarily due to the population density in the capital and the extremely high housing prices. And the meaning of "feminism" in South Korea differs from its interpretation in other countries. In SK, feminism is often perceived negatively and associated with social outcasts rather than as a movement advocating for women's rights.
Recently, there was a car accident that resulted in the deaths of about nine men. The group identifying themselves as feminists made insensitive comments such as "the day of bowling," "good die," and "the party time of dead men." (ua-cam.com/video/B3abh_T5o3o/v-deo.html) This behavior is far from advocating for human rights and equality.
Ordinary people in South Korea are just busy with their daily lives. There is no time to engage in the pointless gender wars happening online.
석범아 토마토 주스라고 조롱한 사람이 20대 남자인건 왜 쏙 빼놔?
한국의 ㅈ같은 성차별은 쏙 빼놓고 말하네. 날조하지 마라
위에 두분은 참….
위에 2명 너네같은 애들 땜에 저런 말도 안되는 말들이 퍼진거잖아...
석범이 여자가 안만나준다니까 지대로 긁혓죠? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
its ultra common for social media, corpo media, and indie media to VASTLY over estimate the size or impact of subcultures and political movement. they point at something a group is doing, then inflate their impact on larger metrics that are...very complex.
And yet so many people will take it for face value. Except for the seldom case that one's own immediate environment becomes the subject of an unhinged narrative. Then suddenly it's "wtf??".
In theory, easier access to information should contribute to its accuracy. However, unfortunately, the advancement of technology and the flood of information seem to be creating new problems.
Definitely true. I am 28 years old Korean man. And I belong to quite majority group of SK. In real world in Korea, no one, literally no one does 4B movements or something like that. Actually we can hardly notice that kinds of movements! So called 4B women are extremely tiny fraction of Korean. They are uneducated, has no jobs, eliminate in mainstream society.
The fork mic is next level! That is the most important thing.
I’m so glad that an articulate and well-educated Korean woman like Anna is making these videos for the English-speaking internet. She’s one of the only people in the world who could make videos like this. If she didn't do this, no one would!
Me too. The more we stay silenced, the more we let this people get too comfortable making false depiction about our culture
In the past, people go on the internet to escape reality. Now, we are bringing reality back into the internet.
I want to talk about the percentage of women who never have kids in different countries. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, but Japan has the most women who never have children. Women who reach 50 without having kids are called "lifelong childless."
Last month, the OECD said 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries, where the average is 16.2%. So, about 1 in 3.5 Japanese women never has a child.
Usually, developing countries have more births and fewer childless women than developed countries. This means Japan likely has the highest rate of childless women in the world.
After Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest rates of lifelong childlessness. South Korea (12.9%) is seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), but still less than half of Japan's rate.
The difference between South Korea and Japan shows that even though South Korea has a lower birth rate, more South Korean women have at least one child compared to Japan. This is because more Japanese families have multiple kids. Willem Adema, an OECD economist, says, "In South Korea, the cost of raising kids is so high that many families only have one child, while in Japan, families often have 2-3 kids."
In summary, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to more families with multiple kids. But, Japan also has a much higher percentage of women who never have children compared to South Korea.
Wrong. Childless? That will soon be worse in South Korea
More than half of Korean women in their 30s will be childless. Just wait 10 years
Japanese analysis of Korea is always wrong. Just like Koreans are always wrong about predicting a Fujisan explosion
Analysis without causality is always meaningless
I guarantee that Korea will also have more "childless women" than Japan
@@letztermensch5571 You sound really convincing until you see the latest marriage and birth rate data. The free fall in birth rates have finally bottomed out and is now increasing, while marriages, which are the forward indicator for future births are skyrocketing, 30%+ for July 2024 on Year.
Could you provide a source please. Just want to look at the data myself as well.
@@milkdromeda1531 Tomáš Sobotka, World’s Highest Childlessness Levels in East Asia, 2021, Population et Sociétés, n° 595
its probably from that one
I’m a white American with an immigrant parent from Greece. Even with a strong Greek heritage, I would never think to speak on the behalf all Greek women as if I know what it’s like to grow up culturally there or what current culture around sexism they have now. I have visited my family that lives there but their life experience isn’t something for me to assume when it’s convenient for UA-cam content and views. It really feels like these people over step to talk about cultures they don’t even know much about and when they can’t understand what’s really happening there because they aren’t there! It creates misinformation around the very country/topics they are trying to talk about and it’s disrespectful in my opinion!
Thank you so much for having - and, more importantly, expressing - empathy for the young men in your country. Here in the West these days, such kindness, honesty and perspective taking is all too rare. God bless.
Thank you for being rational. It's sad that there are people who will hate you for that.
I’m a married Korean woman living in America. I visit Korea every year because all of my family members are in Korea. This week, I went to visit my former professor’s class at the university I graduated 6 years ago to help international students from China to learn about what I do. There, I met this girl who told me about 4B movements as I introduced her that I’m Korean. I told her I’ve never heard about it and that’s what brought me here on this video. None of my Korean friends knew or even heard about this..
I absolutely agree with everything Anna said in this video. Only few people follow this movement and certainly many women in Korea have no idea this movement even exists. Online contents can be misleading. Thank you so much Anna for making this video. This is my first time seeing your video and you are an amazing person trying to convey the truth.
11:50 On May 23, 2024, a South Korean soldier died during training. He had a medical condition, and was punished physically just for making a fuss. The instructor dismissed his claim that he was sick as a lie and continued on, eventually leading to his death. It is currently the hottest incident in South Korea in recent days, and to make matters worse, it has become a huge source of controversy because the instructor was a woman. I don't understand why Western media doesn't report this. South Korea currently has an extremely high conscription rate, higher than that of Nazi Germany during the war. Therefore, even if someone has a tolerable disability or disease, he can be conscripted for active duty. The number of young men continues to decrease, and South Korea's Ministry of National Defense continues to increase the conscription rate. As a result, the number of deaths or injuries, and the number of shootings due to mental problems are increasing.
Conscription of women is almost the only way to solve these problems as well as the problem of discrimination against women. However, South Korea's Ministry of Defense refuses to conscript women, and many young women also view military service negatively. South Korean men believe that women receive preferential treatment, and South Korean companies do not view women as proper adults because they have not fulfilled their military obligations, so they prefer to hire male employees. This again becomes the reason why South Korean women refuse to be drafted, saying, 'There is no reason for women to join the military because discrimination against women is still rampant.' This vicious cycle continues to occur, and gender conflict in South Korea is becoming more and more serious.
Why have conscription at all? Maybe both men and women should not be conscripted, and make military service completely voluntary?
You don't even have basic knowledge about Korea.@@vtheory7531
@@vtheory7531 north korea
@@vtheory7531 blame North Korea.
Could you talk about deepfake porn emergency in South Korea? It seems quite serious.
It was a small amount of people.
@@JaGUnithundreds of thousands is a “small amount” idc if it’s 200 it shouldn’t be happening at all
@@JaGUnit so what if it's small amount of people? there are still victims of it wtf?
@@JaGUnit It's over 200K men and boys in that group, this is NOT a small amount of people
@@vtheory7531 Its a international group lol The bot is owned by foreigner maybe.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I learned a lot.
South Korean here!! (한국 사람이에요!!) I can’t believe that western people believe that Korea’s low rate birth problems caused by 4B movements.... It’s because high house price and we want to get a better and better job that leads excessive competition. In korea, Lots of People believe we have to buy house first before marriage, that we believe it’s our responsibilities to partner and future children to provide them stable life. Usually it regarded as man’s duty for your partner and as father. (of course this kind of stereotypes are changing because of too much house price, but we still tend to follow this stereotypes as woman and as man also..). In east north asia like Korea and Japan, there are Confucianism culture that we tend to expect more responsibility to men, which means Japan was the first country have low rate of birth problem and then, South Korea, and even China is facing now with economic growth that leads high house price. And that kind of man’s responsibility things make Korean men (I think Japan too) work harder, spend more time at work, and force to men major in technology, engineering, Economics and not Arts or Liberal Arts even they wanted to, so culturally it leads Gender Wage-Differentials. So anyway, when we earn enough money to buy house where outside of Seoul City, but your partner age is.... hard to have baby so many people give up to have baby after lot of efforts. And if you failed to buy house? It will be hard to get married. Because as I said, in our culture men expected to take responsibility and women expected to respect men’s responsibility and efforts, these kind of expectations easily lead them get married. I can say that few years ago there was a big social issues about radical feminists in South Korea. Because when you want to join feminist group you have to burn all your father or brother's pictures or take a photo that you put a knife on father or brothers neck when they sleep as rituals. Is it acceptable in western world??? It's hard to even imagine in east north Asia like Korea and Japan. And they claimed that only women are superior than men and only victims (I can not even understand how this logic works..) so they make protests that trans-genders(Fake woman, they say), Muslims and east south Asian who have brown skin have not to permitted in korea society to prevent potential sexual crimes. They just act like fascist and detest male at the same time ... OMG..... (But it's very very very small population of korean women) These kind of women were claiming 4B movements maybe 4 years ago. So, now in South Korea, if you claim 4B movements in public or act like them in daily life you won't be allowed to jobs or social relationship except radical feminists group. And lot of feminist groups were dismantled all around universities by their votes and campaigns. And NOW IN 2024 western feminists are following 4B movements???? Wow..... 진짜 한 번이라도 한국에 와봤거나 한국에 살고 있는 사람이랑 한 번이라도 대화를 해봤는지 모르겠네요. (It means, Are they really even ever been to South Korea or talked to native korean who actually living in here)
sometimes it sounds like they don't want to listen to Asian women whenever it's against their agenda
As a Korean woman, Koreans have never heard '4B'
and the perception of radical feminists in Korea is not good
Moreover, there is also a perception that radical feminists do not have good looks.
That's why radical feminism is only on the internet
Misogyny also has a loser image
I want to tell you guys that radical feminism and misogyny only exist anonymous online.
Because these radical people are considered not to have good looks, it is difficult to meet them outside of the online world.
What a thoughtful response. Thank you.
I didn't notice until almost 20 min in that she's using a fork to hold the mic up XD. Nice video.
It really is weird seeing the specific racial hate from 4B.
Like it’s straight up racism under the guise of “feminism” it’s very weird and off putting, not even an asian but seeing what are supposedly “korean” women
Say such things about men of their own race makes them seem revolting.
'Racism' is not the same as zexism dipsht. Also, look in the damn mirror about it being a 'hate' group. You males started it first with your manosphere BS. And you've all been this way to us even before that, ever since the dawn of time. So now, reap what you sow collectively. It's only just desserts!
As a Singaporean man, I understand how it feels to have to go through the army and the women just breezing past and getting their degrees earlier. This leads to a kind of "gap" where a woman of the same age as the man would have more working experience and usually more money than the man. What further compounds it is that Singaporean men have to serve up to 40 days of mandatory reservist every year for the next 10 years after they finish their initial national service. National service for women is also a hot topic in Singapore as well.
I am very glad that your views on the topic are very balanced and kind. Keep up the good work!
What are they males doing to challenge the system set up the Elite Males?
Wars are started by males (even if it is the males in power who start it or have to defend themselves against more aggressive males).
Resenting women for a system created by other males makes no sense.
Quite similar to the conscription requirements in South Korea, but much of it is a function of the surrounding geopolitical landscape presently. It’s an unfortunate bind for both it and its neighboring country.
The social construction of normative gender roles is the nidus of the absurdity in a handful of behaviors no longer relevant in the modern day. So while what you said places men behind academically and economically, your counterparts ought to be more understanding of the purpose of serving in the force.
@@resnon It is exactly because such understanding, and empathy is lacking, not to mention the lack of respect, even scorn towards national service that is why some Singaporeans, and as in the video, Korean men feel belittled, and even betrayed by "the system".
Interestingly, I read somewhere that only about 900,000 man in Singapore had completed the mandatory 2 years conscription despite having a population of almost 6 million. And, I also saw a population spike of about 3 million in the 90s to almost 6 million today in Singapore. A possible future of Korea if mass immigration route is chosen.
@@tobyc8668 No sure where you got the numbers from, but national service is only for Singaporean males. And yes there is a huge influx of non-Singaporeans in Singapore. According to a quick google search it said "In 2023, around 3.61 million people living in Singapore were citizens, compared to around 1.77 million who were non-residents. In that year, the total population in Singapore was approximately 5.92 million"
Quite a few years back there was a push towards increasing the population via "foreign talent" and it led to a huge influx of people, and quite a bit of backlash iirc.
So yes, there is also the idea that Singaporean men are getting the short end of the stick because foreign men do not need to serve national service either. Which contributes to the "unfairness" and "dissatisfaction" with national service in general.
Thanks for the video Anna! These negative misconceptions need to be addressed^^ Also explaining the online communities issue in South Korea too🤔
Thank you for speaking out. I always suspect the 4B movement is bs. Thanks for telling us how life is really like as a Korean woman living in Korea.
it's funded by China to sow discord between US & South Korea. Also to create division in South Korean society
I live in the US and have never met a single person who never desired or never desires romantic love. Not a single one. I’ve met people who’ve been hurt but their ideal would be finding a good partner. The amount of gays ppl verses straight too is wildly exaggerated by media.
Interesting so I've heard the opposite but the fact that you are hearing that but still see the division between men and women, then that should tell you that women have had enough and they're willing to take the long road alone and not settle" just because" because men are moving the same way towards men too so idk
But that's the fact, people like the idea of love and romance bit personally aren't searching for partners
I love how logical, sensible, and down to earth you are Anna (and also intelligent, of course). Thank you for the (very well researched) update 🙏🌺❤️
Exactly what I was going to write!
So much common sense!
I am so proud of you. You are very good . I thanks you for telling the true.
I want to talk about the percentage of women who never have kids in different countries. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, but Japan has the most women who never have children. Women who reach 50 without having kids are called "lifelong childless."
Last month, the OECD said 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries, where the average is 16.2%. So, about 1 in 3.5 Japanese women never has a child.
Usually, developing countries have more births and fewer childless women than developed countries. This means Japan likely has the highest rate of childless women in the world.
After Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest rates of lifelong childlessness. South Korea (12.9%) is seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), but still less than half of Japan's rate.
The difference between South Korea and Japan shows that even though South Korea has a lower birth rate, more South Korean women have at least one child compared to Japan. This is because more Japanese families have multiple kids. Willem Adema, an OECD economist, says, "In South Korea, the cost of raising kids is so high that many families only have one child, while in Japan, families often have 2-3 kids."
In summary, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to more families with multiple kids. But, Japan also has a much higher percentage of women who never have children compared to South Korea.
@@Aight2-sf5wk great comment and very interesting information - I don’t want to spend my entire life never knowing what it is to be a mother, so if I am able to, I would like at least one kid, preferably two (so they won’t be alone after I’m gone). Thank you 🌺❤️
Don't be fooled, she's lying. It's scientifically proven that young Korean women reject men. In particular, young Korean men and women are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and ideology. Men are far-right, women are liberal. This is also shown in surveys. In the world, Korea is probably the only country where gender differences are this big.
Great coverage, if it had shown that Womad, which was a bastion of Korean-style feminism, was using Nazi symbols as "recommend" buttons, people would have better understood their severity
This video is about to get viral again. 💯😂
always keep in mind that "incel" is a unisex word.
Incel is an involuntary celibate. If you choose you are not incel
@@TamissonReisthe involuntary part isn't too relevant since people saying it's voluntary is 99% cope.
@@7heTexanRebelright on the nail
@@7heTexanRebel lol have you seen the dating market recently. There's plenty of men who don't care
@@7heTexanRebelWrong. I'm a conventionally attractive guy who never had to approach women because they approached me all the time, and I lost my virginity at 25 because I was waiting for a good woman to marry. Also, most incels are actually volcel, because they're not interested in hiring prostitutes or using hook-up sites. Most of them want the relationship more than sex, i.e. they simply have standards they can't reach, and having standards is volcel, since you could just lower them any time you want.
7:04 보면 제목에는 국내 주요 데이팅앱 트래픽 및 이용자 성비라고 되어있죠. 원본 통계 찾아보면 이용자 성비는 극단적으로 남초에요. 근데 그러면 여성들이 데이트에 적극적이라는 Anna Lee의 개인적인 주장에 위배되니까 그 부분만 자르고 이용자 수만 가져왔어요ㅋㅋ
그 이용자 성비 통계가 조작된 자료입니다
해당 자료 보면 헬로우톡 비율은 여성이 90%고 바이럴 업체 광고에요. 한류 때문에 해외 여성이 많이 사용하기는 하지만 극단적인 통계죠
다른 데이팅 앱은 남초인데 헬로우톡만 90%다? 뻔한 광고 통계인데 이걸 가지고 조작하시면 어떡합니까
매번 이렇게 교묘하게 조작한 자료를 사용하시면서 트위터에 선동하시는데 그 짓해서 얻는게 뭔가요?
틴더 성비 9:1, 헬로우톡 성비 1:9 그 자료에 이상함을 못 느끼세요? 한류에 빠진 외국 여성들이 한국서버에 많긴 한데 헬로우톡 절대 1:9 아닙니다 반대도 마찬가지고요 제가 둘다 많이 써요
Generalizing is the worst issue worldwide. How sad! Well said Anna. ❤
It's not a generalization if it's true plus knowing that women are blamed for man's actions or just seeing how this world is towards women, women know they're good men but don't know who so it's all till we know them individually
@@0fficialselena__90 What's up with the Victim mentality. Every day men go to jail because of a women lies. And what action do you speak of ?
@NickG409 Men end up in jail for their own doings not because of women and usually when it has something to do with women, men get away with it
@@0fficialselena__90 Continue being a victim. Never ever has that mindset improved a single Human beings life. Men are pure evil and women are angels right ?
@@0fficialselena__90 Where's the logic in this? "it's all until we know them individually." How will you ever know them individually? it's impossible, your statement is ridiculous. I could say the same about women but that's morally wrong. How is your statement right and fair? Generalizing is such an insensitive thing to do for all the innocent people out there, have some kindness in your heart for a fellow human.
I worked wit Koreans for 15 years, was in Korea couple of times and I can say that we have tendency to judge all from our Western perspective. I observed that role of women is not as these Western people say, for sure it is not patriarcat. In many cases I saw it was the women who decides about most important things in family.
Western media saw something they push in their own countries and latched on to the topic.
They completely and purposefully omit the fact that nobody really is a part of that nonsense in Korea.
I agree with you. This trend can be observed not only towards South Korea but also towards Japan. Could it be due to cultural differences? Western media often report with the assumption that their values are inherently correct.
@@gotakazawa408 I've heard stories of them doing that in Japan as well.
Western nations and their people are brought up from birth to believe that all other countries are backwards and underdeveloped if they do not live by the exact same culture and moral priorities.
To be fair, though, the f*minist movement in Western nations is a tool of their leading far left political parties. This is why there is the illusion of it being so popular in their nations when in reality if you go there, the men are disgusted and tired of dealing with the "girl power/girl boss" era and are going to Asia (Korea, Japan, Thailand, The Phillipines, Singapore, etc) all to find more feminine traditional asian wives since that's how our nations still do things for the most part.
Its not just these countries either, its almost like evey Southeast and East Asian country is played in some way in a manipulative manner.
Especially in political sphere
As a man with 3 sisters, a mom, a stepmom, a wife and a daughter, I recognize that there is a lot of things that society (regardless of what advanced country we live in) need to do better on. I agree with you that each generation is trying to be better towards each other as genders, we are not perfect at it but neither side should be demonizing the other as a whole if we hope to find the way to where we need to be. Thank you for your video and view on the subject
The thing though is that every Era or generation have never gotten better and now, we are going backwards because throughout history up till now, seems that women are the one who have come far along with a few men but men haven't much evolved plus, these are things I hear from men a lot too! So men and women gave valid reasons for feeling the way they do around men so to kind of say something like this sounds privileged 🤔
I really appreciated your insight into all of those topics, it seems like a balanced perspective from a balanced person.
Misandry is not real in terms of a social phenomenon, as a structure of oppression, while misogyny is a wide spread phenomenon that oppresses women. Yes, there can be misandrist women, but the world is not misandrist, on the contrary, it's certainly misogynist. The dictionary definitions are not an end in themselves. The term misandry is often used to make seem that there are two extreme opposites in a certain "equivalence", but men are not oppressed by women, it's the other way around. You can check the index of domestic violence, sexual crimes, femicide, etc. men perpetrates against women versus the opposite. There are women who abuse men, yes, but it's far less. I hope that helped.
Why don’t you march for the equal right to get drafted. Korean men are forced to do military duty. Nothing you do as women can amount to the fear and pain men are forced. Check your privilege
Go watch Ukraine drone videos and get humbled. millions of men are dead in the ground so you can have the privilege to sit in your air conditioned home and type that.we built the world check the stats for most women jobs. Service jobs.
@@duckyh9712That still doesn't change the fact that men are the biggest threat to women, children and other men. Look at how millions of women worldwide get harassed, assaulted, r*ped, tortured, abused and killed by men and said men get away with it while the lives of the women have been completely ruined. Check your privilege.
Misogyny is a fairy tale made up by feminists. Women are and always have been treated BETTER than men. At least in the Western world.
Found the femcel lol.
The same sort of skewed and sensationalized misinformation is also very common when it comes to social problems concerning Japan... it's truly irritating
That really has become common in recent years, so much misinformation regarding Japan, I guess Korea is the next country that's going to receive that.
This is a great point. I believe both Korea & Japan are in the same boat..
Yeah that’s the price of being the cool kids
In my personal opinion, Japanese culture is significantly different from Western culture and, with a few exceptions, is unfortunately not well understood. Ironically, this lack of understanding is one of the reasons why Japan has become such a popular tourist destination recently.
Don't forget China, the new "Evil Empire" - viciously unwilling to submit to the West's benevolent global hegemony.
Refreshing to hear. Sometimes feels like I’m going nuts when I hear internet « experts » and journalists talk.
I thought it was because of the high cost of living of raising a family. That's why the low birth rate is also happening in Japan. 🤔
Anna, your skin is flawless. Seriously! Whatever you’re doing, keep it up.
you are quickly becoming one of my favorite creators. i hope you find your king asap 👑
애나 리 씨가 한국남자들 다 가져가세요 제발~~~~~~~~ 부탁드립니다🙏🙏
아줌마 한국남자들은 해외서 인기 많으니 방구석에서 노괴짓하면서 늙어가세요 아 정부지원금 달라고 기생충처럼 살지마시고 평생 일하면서 사세요 아줌마
쿨찐 인셀 도태녀
That was an incredibly informative and interesting video, I really appreciate it. Thank you!
As a Korean, I can say this is the most correct video I've ever seen which explain the Feminism in Korea
I dunno... the claim that feminism in Korea before 2015 or whatever seems wild to me without knowing much about Korean feminist history. Maybe Western pop feminism wasn't in Korea so much before then but I really doubt feminist organizzing wasn't happening before then. With a quick search I actually found an article about Ewha Women's University opening a Women's Studies Program in the late 70s... so at least there's that as an example.
As an American I would like to apologize to anyone that lost brain cells because of my countrymen.
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I really like your video, I hardly could find better words.
Birthrates are going down pretty much everywhere in 1st world countries and not just in korea.
This will get much worse before it can even get better.
It is a demographic winter and no one is thinking about the consequences of not procreating.
@@brandibadgett2587 Oh, we definitely are thinking about it and are willing to let the human race go extinct before being used and abused anymore!
@@brandibadgett2587well the men are!😂
They're not. @@wandah9468
@@brandibadgett2587 They know the consequences...They just don't care if they aren't finding someone they would willingly raise a child with
I don’t agree with take seems like your take is very manufactured by people around you. Like “its unfair men serve in military and women don’t hence why they are upset at women” a rational person would say “well who made those rules and who fault is it? And why get mad at women when they didn’t made those rules” somehow male frustration over benign stuff is ok but female frustration over gender based violence/pornography is not?
Military service is not a "benign thing". Both men and women vote for politicians who make laws for the country. It's not a one sided problem. You're the one trying to "manufacture" a false narrative.
@@charlesdole for South korea it is. South korea is not israel they aren’t fighting Hamas or other terrorist groups, South Korea is also not Thailand where Thai militants have to fight pirates and ISIS. Death in south korean military is very rare and the when it does happen on rare occasions its due to mishaps in training, they are training for future attacks from north but aren’t actively fighting. On the other hand deaths in IDF or Thai military (both countries have military conscription and have low amount of misogyny) it’s quite common to die, i don’t see heavy misogyny from their side? So what is this “military is hard hence misandry exists” is coming from? There was study conducted in south korea asking if women should be allowed for military conscription 55-60% participants said no. Its self victimization
Also it might seem backwards but a traditional country believes women should give birth, raise population and men should fight in war and protect country. Fight traditionalism
PS: i’m all for women conscription in military but it will take a massive blow to SK’s already low population. Again fight traditionalism
@@llpp11 "military is hard hence misandry exists" nobody claimed that buddy. You made that up on your own.
@@llpp11 Your logic = "people aren't dying therefor it's benign". That's called black and white fallacy. 2 years of training and labor whilst being underpayed and isolated from society, is a huge disadvantage to your career in early 20s.
@@llpp11 serving the military is not "traditionalism".
Great video and a very balanced take on all aspects covered!
It's amazing how normalised misandry has become over the last few decades that very few people can even notice it anymore.
American women should pay attention to the problems faced by women in their country first such as over-sexualization in the name of "liberty" and "women empowerment". Something we can see on those Sam Levinson series.
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You act like that 'over sexualization' hasn't happened at all before the liberation, only difference now is that women have control over it so I don't see what the problem is. Piss off, you're not controlling women's bodies.
Nah, they are too busy making tiktok videos about how it's a "Ick" for a man to cry and play video games or something lol.
thank you for sharing this info anna!! your commentary is always so appreciated!! loved how you brought a perfect balance to kpc, dkdk etc!!! 화이팅 아나!!!!
HOW is Anna not married! She seems to be the epitome of well balanced human and cute too. I hope she finds the love that she deserves.
Great video and analysis.
I hace been tryba find actual Koreans speaking in it for a very long time lol I read Kim Jiyoung it's an amazing book and I think every culture needs a book like that. But I'm very thankful that I got this perspective bc I felt something wasn't right when there was only like 3 articles about it and then 1000 TikToks
Thank you for your work, i saw just few videos about the 4B so i am really glad that it is just another fake drama. And hello from Czech republic
it is so refreshing to hear a no nonsense, down-to-the-point, rational individual putting together a well-made response to the craziness around us. Thanks for that. Greetings from Italy
Thank you, this was insightful. I do appreciate you adding sources and links as well.
요즘따라 이상한 사람들이 너무 많은 인터넷에서 진실을 말씀하시는 분을 보니 속이 시원하면서 무조건 지켜드리고 싶다는 생각이 드네요. 대다수에 속하는 정상적인 사람들은 안나님 의견에 100% 동감하고, 안나님 편입니다~
진짜 속이 뻥해지는 영상이네요. 특히 서구 진보는 남들을 가르치는걸 좋아하는걸 같습니다. 자기들 본토 내 문제도 못고치는데 말이죠
@@Whyhandle888 아무래도 한국이 한동안 너무 유명해졌다보니.. 비판하는 영상들이 관심끌고 조회수 끌기에도 유리했죠. 북한과 인접국이라는 자체도 끼워맞추기식 사회 비관적 이미지에 크게 한 몫 했다 생각해요..
On behalf of all the hard working, caring, loving, respectful dads and husbands in the world, thanks Anna!
Maybe you and your bubble is too old and this is going on 20s. Your experience is so opposite to my bubble and even they call them selves as a non-feminist, even anti-feminist, most of 20s don’t want to get married nor in the relationship. You sound like my parents.. lol
Oh yeah, she’s a pick me who’s using this uptick in Korean popularity in the mainstream to make money. “It’s not an issue” okay now they’re reporting THOUSANDS of men spreading AI porn not to mention the COUNTLESS sex crimes that happen in that country. Yeah…burn down that birth rate idc!
@@fkfkfkl09505 First it was only a small amount only you guys are lying about the actual amount.
Yet Korean marriage rose this Q2 odd like it care about what rando online think.
thanks for this informative vid. Ever since trump won i've been seeing ppl on twitter talk about this "4b" thing and how all korean women are doing it lmfao. But i knew that had to be BS, didn't even make sense. ppl on twitter are all agreeing, liking, and retweeting those posts as if it were true, crazy.
Its good to hear someone with truly balanced views tell the situation how it is. It seems like most of the time the most extreme opinions are the easiest to find. We are having similar problems with gender wars here in the west. Men and Women need to focus on loving and supporting each other like you said. That is where the conversation needs to go. Thanks!
What a great video! Your common sense is gold, rare and highly valuable. I came here after your live with David because you made a comment about it and I'm so glad I did 👏😄
Finally, someone sets the record straight about this nonsense. ❤ you Anna! 🇰🇷
0:45 this is a woman? ironically this person is emulating what she hates.
I wish there were more people in the world like you who are striving to promote understanding and harmony rather than sow anger and division. All the constant online rage is exhausting.
thank you so much for talking about what korean men go through i know there are going to be dumb ppl who get mad abt that which is just stupid you dont know how badly ive been wanting to say all these things my self
Uwu poor man go cry about it
@@sofypi7493 like how you people cry sexism while ignoring reality.
@@sofypi7493 woman
And what Korean men go through????
@@sofypi7493 you need mental help
Thanks for this video, it was enlightening. The very best point for people to take away from this is:
Trust what you know over what a stranger on the internet says.
Still, unreasonable people will try to manipulate public opinion. Smart people will objectively look at the facts and judge for themselves.
(1) Are Korean men more prone to crime?
There's a survey result showing that 75% of South Koreans believe that South Korea is a safe country to walk alone at night. (For reference, Japan, which is known for its good public safety, has a rate of 67%.) Not all crimes are recorded in each country due to issues with administrative capacity or low crime clearance rates. For example, as of 2019, South Korea has one of the highest crime clearance rates in the world at 83.3%. (Especially, the murder clearance rate in Korea is 100%.) Let's compare various categories among advanced countries with relatively high administrative capabilities and relatively low unsolved crime rates. (The number of occurrences per million people.)(Countries with insufficient data are excluded from the respective categories. Exclusion is not due to low ranking.)(The source of crime rate statistics is the UNODC database, with some OECD data referenced. Data collection for the UK was limited to England and Wales.)
(5) Do young Korean men still prefer patriarchal values?
-in the past, Korea's patriarchal system was based on meritocracy. 'Men are strong, earning a lot of money on their own to support their families, while wives educate the children and take care of the household chores.'
But Nowadays, with skyrocketing housing prices and rising costs of living making it difficult for single-income households, most young people aspire to share both breadwinning and household responsibilities equally.
- Marriage information company Gayeon revealed on the 1st that it conducted a survey on the 'marriage cost and housing expenses sharing' through a recent open survey of 'single men and women's thoughts on dual-income households'. The survey targeted 1,000 unmarried men and women aged 25 to 39 nationwide (500 men, 500 women).
Perceptions regarding 'dual-income households' were as follows: 'Necessary (72.1%)', 'Not necessary (3.7%)', 'No particular opinion (24.2%)'. When categorized by gender, 'necessary' was reported by 74.2% of men and 70% of women, 'not necessary' by 4.4% of men and 3% of women, and 'no particular opinion' by 21.4% of men and 27% of women, indicating that while men had a slightly higher percentage, overall both men and women agreed on the necessity of dual-income households.
Furthermore, when asked about the reasons for desiring dual-income households among the 721 respondents who wanted them, the responses were as follows: 'For economic stability and leisure activities (54.9%)', 'To maintain self-realization and career advancement (25.8%)', 'For retirement planning (9.4%)', 'For purchasing a home and repaying loans (9.2%)', 'Other (0.7%)'.
- Vehicle Theft:
1. New Zealand: 1,001.30
2. Sweden: 211.62
3. Canada: 207.08
4. Australia: 188.46
5. Italy: 167.12
6. Greece: 147.75
7. Netherlands: 157.57
8. Chile: 139.71
9. Switzerland: 111.94
10. Finland: 116.70
11. Portugal: 85.16
12. Belgium: 78.39
13. Norway: 74.91
14. Colombia: 70.52
15. Mexico: 64.74
16. Iran: 56.84
17. Ireland: 52.47
18. Germany: 51.21
19. Spain: 42.66
20. Latvia: 39.66
21. Turkey: 38.57
22. Poland: 29.30
23. Lithuania: 20.86
24. Slovakia: 17.99
25. Japan: 11.25
26. Iceland: 8.50
27. Estonia: 8.14
28. South Korea: 5.40
29. Denmark: 4.56
(Data insufficient for other countries.)
- Robbery:
1. New Zealand: 1,206.93
2. Sweden: 803.42
3. Denmark: 664.57
4. Chile: 629.49
5. Austria: 537.81
6. Australia: 524.98
7. France: 452.02
8. Belgium: 407.88
9. Switzerland: 379.21
10. Canada: 364.36
11. Germany: 356.10
12. Iceland: 310.33
13. Netherlands: 289.64
14. Spain: 288.09
15. Ireland: 208.57
16. Latvia: 201.62
17. Czech Republic: 192.93
18. Portugal: 187.64
19. Italy: 181.11
20. Finland: 140.60
21. Greece: 133.28
22. South Korea: 50.08
23. Japan: 34.86
(Data insufficient for other countries.)
- Theft:
1. Sweden: 3,079.81
2. New Zealand: 2,781.82
3. Denmark: 2,452.30
4. Finland: 2,433.46
5. Australia: 1,900.68
6. Norway: 1,595.93
7. Belgium: 1,343.96
8. Russia: 1,206.93
9. Canada: 1,204.75
10. Netherlands: 1,193.79
11. Germany: 1,112.14
12. France: 1,042.07
13. Iceland: 1,026.52
14. Italy: 1,012.59
15. Ireland: 985.82
16. Latvia: 678.56
17. Portugal: 639.02
18. Greece: 584.73
19. Colombia: 565.70
20. Hungary: 522.14
21. Estonia: 517.36
22. Czech Republic: 426.17
23. South Korea: 350.00
24. Japan: 295.07
(Data insufficient for other countries.)
- Kidnapping:
1. Canada: 9.19
2. New Zealand: 8.40
3. Germany: 5.45
4. Netherlands: 3.01
5. Ireland: 2.07
6. Australia: 1.58
7. Greece: 0.70
8. Japan: 0.27
9. Italy: 0.20
10. Spain: 0.16
11. South Korea: 0.09
(Data insufficient for other countries.)
- Assault:
1. New Zealand: 884.53
2. Belgium: 475.81
3. France: 459.65
4. Australia: 281.35
5. United States: 278.40
6. Canada: 181.9
7. Germany: 155.70
8. Italy: 90.20
9. Ireland: 85.93
10. South Korea: 64.18
11. Spain: 34.23
12. Netherlands: 30.11
13. Sweden: 52.38
14. Denmark: 32.30
15. Japan: 14.99
16. Greece: 12.33
(Data insufficient for other countries.)
- Sexual Offenses:
1. Sweden: 209.36
2. Iceland: 152.38
3. New Zealand: 138.15
4. Australia: 107.86
5. Denmark: 92.42
6. Norway: 93.34
7. Canada: 85.98
8. France: 89.92
9. Chile: 82.09
10. Belgium: 74.03
11. Finland: 73.31
12. Ireland: 51.74
13. Switzerland: 50.07
14. Germany: 49.03
15. Austria: 45.98
16. South Korea: 42.36
17. Spain: 23.77
18. Netherlands: 22.96
19. Italy: 8.13
20. Japan: 4.34
21. Greece: 1.84
(Data insufficient for other countries.)
When it comes to incidents of R, countries like the United States, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and Sweden are among those with the highest rates."
What I'm focusing on is the percentage of women who remain childless throughout their lives in certain countries. While South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, Japan has the highest percentage of women who never have children. Demographically, women who reach the age of 50 without having children are classified as "lifelong childless."
According to the OECD last month, 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries (average 16.2%), meaning 1 in 3.5 Japanese women has never experienced childbirth.
Generally, developing countries have higher birth rates and lower percentages of childless women compared to developed countries. This implies that the rate of childlessness among Japanese women is estimated to be the highest in the world.
Following Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest percentages of lifelong childlessness among women. South Korea (12.9%) ranks seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), still at less than half of Japan’s rate.
The difference in lifelong childlessness rates between South Korea and Japan indicates that while South Korea has a lower birth rate than Japan, the percentage of women with at least one child is higher in South Korea. This discrepancy is largely due to Japan having more families with multiple children. Willem Adema, a senior economist at the OECD, explains, "In South Korea, the cost of educating children is so high that many families have only one child, whereas in Japan, families often have 2-3 children."
In conclusion, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to a higher proportion of families with multiple children. However, the percentage of women who remain childless is much higher in Japan than in South Korea.
Beautifully spoken Anna! Diversity and equality is important, but all forms of extremism whether from the left or right is just polarizing poison.
saying "all men are x"
Imagine saying that about a race. They wouldn't dare lol
The all men stuff is something women say as a self caution and to protect themselves until they know those individually like even if it's what black people say the same for white even if it's true doesn't make their experiences valid and being black in this world knowing we have no protection then I understand why black would move a certain way around white people even after SOOO many experiences they've had, it's not generalizing nor bad just a protection thing
@@0fficialselena__90 cool, so why is it bad if a white person crosses the street when encountering a black person
@@0fficialselena__90 why are you in every post
@@youssafemonster Because I can and if there's an issue then remove yourself
@@0fficialselena__90 you sound very triggered.
한국여자로서 당신의 영상을 봤을때, 편향되게 남자입장을 대변하는 느낌이며 한국여자의 4b운동의 영향성을 과소평가하고 있는 느낌이었습니다. 또한 잘못된 정보도 몇개 있네요.
먼저 단순히 데이팅 앱 사용자수만 가져왔는데요. 7:05의 통계 제목에는 사용자 수와 성비가 둘 다 있는데 왜 사용자수만 가져와 한국여성 또한 데이트에 관심 있는 것처럼 말하시나요? 틴더, 아만다등 대부분의 데이트 앱 성비는 남자가 8, 여자가 2이고. 심한 경우는 9:1도 나옵니다.
한국의 대표적인 결혼정보회사 듀오도 최근 보건복지부와 간담회를 가졌는데 듀오 대표가 여성들 사이에 비혼이 확산되어 결혼과 출산을 꺼려 남는 남성이 많다고 언급하기까지 했습니다. 장기적으로 국제결혼까지 생각해야 한다고 언급했고요. 원하는 정보만 선택하여 전달하는 느낌이 강하네요
객관적인 사실을 언급하는게 나을 것 같지만 당신도 개인적인 경험을 예시로 들었기 때문에 말해보자면 저는 한국 수도권에 사는 20대 중반 여자인데, 제 주변 친구들 중 연애하는 비율은 10명 중 2명정도밖에 되지 않으며 이는 통계로도 그렇게 나와요
또한 저는 4b를 하는 여자임에도 같은 여자에게 4b 운동에 대해서 절대 언급하지 않는데 그 이유는 당신 같은 여성은 4b를 비정상이라고 생각하며 페미니스트에 대해 부정적으로 생각하는 경향이 있기 때문이에요. 한국에서 여자가 페미니스트라고 소문나면 부정적인 말만 듣고요^^
저도 그렇게 느껴지네요. 보통 남미새들는 남미새끼리 놀아욬ㅋㅋㅋㅋ그러니까 자기 주변에는 그렇겟지.. 그렇게 치면 제주변은 아무도 결혼 생각 없는디오..이 분 한국 직장 생활 안해보셨던지 주변에 한국 남자사람친구들 없어서 남자들 생각 잘 모르시는 듯 …ㅋㅋㅋ
@@오무라이스-x9n그니까요. 게다가 초딩 2학년때부터 영국 가서 살고, 영어가 한국어 보다 편한데 왜 한국여자인척 4b 폄하하는건지. 한국여자가 그래도 짜증날 것 같은데 외국인이 저러니 더 화나요.
@@fisaor 아진짜요? 저 4b 검색해서 들어왔는데 한국여자라면서 이 얘기하길래 백수인가 했네요 ㅋㅋ아니 영국에서 자리 못잡아서 들어온거 같은데 알지도 못하는거 가지고 찐 한녀들얘기한데요 ㅋㅋㅋ이 분 한국 취업시장 들어오면 눈물 찔찔흘리면서 우리가 뭔 얘기하는지 알 듯 ㅋㅋㅋ
This video was so amazing to hear and appreciate everything she said 👏hope this video blows up
Excellent stuff Anna, really insightful and a necessary straightening of the story. Fair representation of all sides. Time very well spent
Why do people think that they know what is going on in other people’s country. They should just focus on what’s is happening in their own country and focus on themselves. I really love your channel @Anna ❤❤ well down this is how you shut down unreasonable people.
This is beautiful, thank you for educating me
People are crazy and quick to jump to conclusions. Pisses me off regularly. Sorry for all the hate.
I'm a Korean woman and I do 4B. I enjoyed your video, but there are some things that are wrong. I'd like to point out a few things.
1.
There were feminists in Korea even before Megalia. It was only in 2007 that the "호주제", where only men are the owners of the family register and women are ignored, was abolished in Korea. It was thanks to the efforts of many feminists.
At that time, feminists were attacked by Korean men as "feminazi" even though there was no mirroring or so-called aggression towards men. In other words, the image of feminists in Korea was not good even before Megalia.
2.
People gather with like-minded people. You say there are no 4B practitioners around you, but there are many around me. This is why we shouldn't trust our own experiences and should keep an eye on statistics. It is clear that "non-marriage" has become an option among women. Statistics show that at any given time, at least 30% of women say they will never get married. There are economic reasons for this, but there are also patriarchal cultural factors.
3.
Maybe you and I are too old for this topic, but the younger girls don't feel the need to get married. I did a survey in a high school and 9 out of 10 girls said "I don't have to get married." This is a far cry from our generation. I had the opportunity to talk to a girl younger than me, and when I explained the 4Bs to her, she said, "I didn't know the word, but I was already doing this." She said her friends were doing the same. They already know that it's not easy for women to get married in a country that has one of the lowest rates of housework.
Except all the data shows the economics and cost of living is what is driving the average marriage rate in to the 30's, not feminism or gender conflict or discrimination. You are just inserting personal opinion here unfortunately..
@@sadasasdas8467 According to a survey conducted by the Korea Population, Health and Welfare Association in June 2020 on 1,000 unmarried men and women in their 30s on the reasons for remaining single, women ranked first and second respectively as “because I thought I would be happier living alone (25.3%)” and “because of the patriarchal system and gender inequality culture (24.7%).” On the other hand, men answered most often as “because I thought it would be realistically difficult to meet the conditions for marriage (51.1%).” This suggests that there are differences in the reasons and patterns of choosing to remain single depending on gender.
@@dodo-j7s1. You should mention that the survey was asking if the subjects prefer to be "unmarried" not being "single". That's not an accurate translation.
2. The survey says that 30% of the participant women and 18.8% of men do not want to marry. The responses you wrote were within those percentages. Granted the study is accurate, the women who are actively rejecting marriage due to political reasons(aka patriarchy and what not) is less than 8%. That would be even less in the scope of the entire population.
@@dodo-j7sconclusively the example survey is a stretch to validate 4B.
@@dodo-j7s Incorrect, the main reasons for delaying marriage into the 30's are all economics related. Gender conflicts and/or discrimination is
Thank you for having such a levelheaded and fact based approach to this topic. I found all of your points very fair and well stated.