South Korea's population crisis: why is nobody getting married or having babies?
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2024
- South Korea recently recorded the world's lowest birth rate at 0.72 and there are new articles being written about our population crisis every week. Why is it so hard to get married these days and why is nobody wanting to have babies? I also touch on some wedding customs that are unique to Korea.
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Having children outside of marriage is not considered progressive by the Christian /Catholic church. Many religions, regardless of their origin, will agree on this.
These children will grow up feeling confused and depressed. They need love from both a father and a mother.
The solution is to unlearn the so-called "progressive" Western mindset.
to answer the question about romantic love it solely depends on if the person believe in it. if that person who made that reddit comment doesn't believe it then they never will. i do believe it exists but is very rare. love isn't just all the happy things, it does take work and effort. there is more after the 'happily ever after' but i saw it with my grandparents for sure. their love story is so romantic and they were married for almost 70 years before my grandfather passed.
Hi Anna, great vid. whats the best website/App for real estate in Seoul?
Registered cohabitation where partners can separate more easily will result in more children from broken homes with a larger burden on the government and taxpayers. Possibly even on grandparents. Could also result in higher crime rates as the children age. The solution? Government-implemented (built) affordable family housing and a complete overhaul of popular culture that prioritizes marriage and the husband-wife-children family unit over individual pursuits and attempting to emulate celebrity and hedonistic lifestyles. Where popular culture goes the nation goes. Unless Korea wants to deal with all the issues that other OECD countries deal with from depending on immigrants to bolster its workforce, the time to act was yesterday.
The answer is in history. What values built Korea into what she is now after Japanese colonization and Korean war are the same values that will sustain her, not Western values which are defeating the West.
Every time I see this discussion what comes to my mind is: It's hard to make animals in captivity reproduce.
Reading that felt like a punch to the gut
Actually it's easier.
@@sandroman_04 If you've got a zookeeper jamming a spunk syringe into a female sure, not sure people want that.
@@ChrissyErica There are answers on that experiment, but it doesn't explain everything.
we're not in captivity though
EDIT: read the rest of my comments before replying to this
I feel like this is a global issue. Here in America young people don't want to get married nor have kids anymore. Is hard raising another human, imagine doing it in a world thats currently in economic, social, moral, mental, and emotional turmoil and it's only getting worse.
Not the poor people. Create a welfare state like we have in the US. Let the poor and low income have babies. I work at a retail store and you know how many kids I see on a daily basis? How many freaking families? Especially amongst minority groups. They popping em out like ants
It’s definitely for different reasons in America,more superficial ones than a genuine work struggle like Korea
Sadly this issue occur even outside whorelifornia as well.☠️☠️
It's the same underlying economic pressures of lack of housing, free time, and affordable childcare. Americans just added excuses to avoid challenging libertarianism directly.
Everybody's a zombie now regrettably
Because being broke and under constant pressure is stressful and unpleasant. Who would willingly make a bad situation worse for themselves? It's pretty obvious really.
Being broke is not an issue. My wife is an African and let me tell you, even the poorest from her tribe have many children. We are doing reasonably well, but here in the Netherlands we like to cram a weeks work in a day and she changed over the years from wanting many children to wanting one. There is no more bandwidth for the added stress.
@@otto197 point taken, but being broke in East Asia is a different kettle of fish altogether. It is extremely stressful, not least because you no longer have a village full of extended family to help raise the child.
@@otto197where is her tribe then? Are they rich and affluent? Most likely not.
Children are a massive monetary burden one has to afford. One way or another. If you choose to have children without the means to support them and yourselves, go ahead. But don't expect a life full of riches.
@@ogerpinata1703 No they're not. But they don't see it like we do. Like we save for a pension, their children are the pension. And cost of living is also very different.
@@ogerpinata1703 you can imagine living in a mudhouse without running water or electricity gives a different dynamic. Those are Kikuyu btw
2:08 I think it's mostly because many people in France and in Norway don't see marriage ceremony as a indicator to commit to someone.
I'm French and for example my parents aren't even married yet have been together for more than 30 years.
Because there are alternatives to marriage, such as PACS or cohabitation.
Remember there was a time when we was super worried about over population?
That's just the danger of assuming trends will go on forever unless manually corrected
It is still happening. Population growth is massive in some 3rd world counties.
@@iwantarandomname121 Unfortunately, that is also slowing at an alarming rate.
Oh yeah. It's still a problem. Look past the First World and over to the global South where I am, and you'll see people are having more babies in the vain hope that more kids = more adult kids beholden to work for you for free and earn your retirement and elderly care for you.
@@iwantarandomname121 Nope. Even in 3rd world countries the birthrate is decreasing e.g. the average amount of children per African woman used to be 6 or 7 in the 50's, 60's and 70's and since the 80's it's declining. Now the average is 4 and they're still above replacement rate (2 children). But 1st world industrialized countries in North America, Europe and Asia on the other hand are already well below replacement rate for a long time. So yes, declining birth rates are a global phenomenon.
You forgot to mention the work hours. You can't be a parent if your job requires you ro work so many hours daily.
This means more opportunities for immigrants who want to work and being their families from underdeveloped nations to these countries which is a good opportunity for Indians Africans people from Mexico Nigeria etc.🤗
@@genuinehuman1 Was that sarcasm or do you really think this is good? Thats how you ruin nations and east asians know it. Instead of importing poor people from other nations, who dont mind being exploited for to little money, our politicians need to improve life for the native people to encourage them to create families. Its a giant scam game you know. The leaders of poor, overpopulated nations dont do anything for their people, so their people try to go somewhere else and the target nations dont do anything either, so they can get cheap or almost slave labor and ruin their own people. We in Europe like east asian migrants, cause they are decent, respectful and value education. We will treat them right if they treat us right...but we dont need arabs or africans, because our experiences with them are awful mostly. Our mentalities dont match. One reasons their nations suck, is not the past only but their mentality. Everything is messy and shifty. East asia is smart to not let them in yet, cause they see whats happening here. Crime rate goes up, school quality lowers, noise and filth goes up. Even the few arab and african migrants who are decent say, that we have to stop letting everyone in, cause these people have no decency or respect. Loud, messy, uneducated, radical, violent....we have enough. The culture clash between them and Koreans is way bigger too. Just that Korea will kick them out if they behave like they do here. And we are getting ready to vote in a way that will set these people straight again too. Its enough. I have a korean colleague and a friend from Mongolia, who are both sweet people and they both say, the only thing they dont like about my country are the arabs and africans and that they ruin the experience here.
@genuinehuman1 this is honestly the worst take ever. Its like seeing the disgrace of someone else and being like: "yipi! An opportunity to make money!"
Learn empathy
@@genuinehuman1You know these immigrants would need to work those long hours too right? Perhaps even harder than the native Koreans do
For most of human history, people worked many more hours than they do now, and the birthrate was much higher.
I'm from Singapore where we also have one of the world's lowest birthrate after SK. We do not have the marriage traditions and customs, so for Singapore the main factor would be the astronomical cost of living.
Another factor is also the education level of the population, especially women. Today's women are far more educated than their mothers and grandmothers and have more options in life than just a wife/mother. If you do a survey between rural and urban areas of a country, it is also highly likely that the women in the city are higher educated in general and have fewer children. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% supportive of higher education for women, and my wife and I have no kids by choice (we are 53 this year)!
Good on you. Us too both childfree by choice and sterilised (to ensure that we would never have any "unwanted surprises"). We have the income and time to do exactly as we please and considering the catastrophic climate change previsions you'd have to be egocentric and ignorant to want to bring more innocent human beings into this massively overpopulated planet. Livin' n' lovin' the childfree life!
"More options in life than a wife/mother". Like what? Wage slave and other types of wage slave? Lucky you for having found a fun career that you enjoy for a time, but most people hate their jobs. Although you'll probably get sick of it later as it does happen to many.
"More options" While that is true, I doubt that's the reason. The problem is that higher education means it takes longer to start working, instead of starting at 19 people are starting working at 25. So they don't have any capital, new graduates don't make that much until they're 30+. So when they start making good money the window to actually have children is already starting to close. Even getting kids at 30 today is not as easy as it was getting them at 23 50 years ago.
Increased women's education also correlates highly with urbanization rates, so it may not just be that, but correlating factors.
So you are not helping the situation then. At least you prooved your point, your higher educated wife isn't having children. The higher educated women the less children they birth.
The titile of the video is "we're fucked", but the problem that the video describes is the opposite of that.
They get fucked but pulled out 😂
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I think it all boils down to money. If I’m still worried about going homeless, how in the hell can I think of romance and making babies? Give more people livable wages and maybe they’d give kids a second thought.
Livable wage and a house!!!! That will make a difference
Ikr here in vancouver an apartment is 1 million, dont get me started on houses, so yea how am i supposed to have a kid, mind you everyone still expects men to provide for a family and call you a loser if you cant...
Especially whenever unlike America many other countries don’t have the luxury of people leeching on welfare
Please explain why they need to know if the family has debt?
@lovli1449 it'll have their grandchildren indebted which isn't seen as a good thing since I think descendants inherit debt
It’s not simply “lack of money”, it’s lack of affordable housing, healthcare, and higher education. When the cost of living is so high, and the average person is just treading water.
As in: people make more money than ever before, but landlords and market monopolies have crushed consumers, and governments are led by those financially invested in the current system.
And a lack of goo looking individuals
Korean women already stated they want the 4b movement why are they crying about population decline. You wanted it now you got it. Korean men are now passport bros. Leave these women behind and focus on yourself. Nothing will change until women change. Until then enjoy your economy collapse. Men built society and if women don’t want to play along they can end it
Bs you lie! Korea has national health care. Everyone pays 3.3% tax. So stop trying to compare your American excuses that are an Oceans difference to koreas.
Not for nothing, but people didn’t have any of that back in the day and still had 5 kids.
But I agree the cost of living has gotten really bad.
That’s the same thing. If costs go up more than wages go up, you do have a lack of money in real terms
It is simple. Powerful people chose to make money on fear and exploitation instead of promoting quality of life and knowledge. Not all, but many
We have allowed sociopaths to dominate us. So has human society since the dawn of time.
@@aygwmSo...every thing is as it has ALWAYS been...no problem...
pleasure as well. so many people are willing to perpetuate the consumerist lifestlye and system. but we don’t have the limitless resources they dream of.
@@aygwm You mean psychopathy, not sociopathy. This only became a problem after we stopped becoming hunter-gatherers and became farmers instead. Psychopathy was kept in check when your "family" was at most 20 people.
I love how you didn't just distill the issue as simply an economic problem (which, as you said, is a global issue). People don't understand how big of a factor the Korean culture is playing in this demographic crisis. As an Asian, I'm aware of the cultural examples that you shared but before watching this video, I didn't fully appreciate how big of an effect it results to when all of these cultural things are compounded on top of each other!
Young people in their 20’s and early 30’s can’t afford to marry, have apartments/houses and to have kids. There is too much pressure in the society to succeed. Only those who come from families who are well off can do all these because they can hire housekeepers and nannys unless the grandparents are willing to help out. Also, people want to find love and want to find partners who have the same mindset for their lives and goals.
and yet poor people are having more children than rich people. please explain
@@pikapi6993 In 3rd world countries, children don't get an education. They go straight to work supporting the family. Instead of being a financial liability, children help support the household.
@@jeremyjackson7429 I am not talking about those coutnries. I mean Wesern countries. Here poor people have more children than anyone else. Rich people are stingy with their wombs.
It's not about money. Even rich families in Korea have lower birth rates. It's more common in Korea now to have 0 or 1 baby when it used to be more common to have 2-3 babies. Everyone wants to be like "give us more money!" that they they won't want to think about deeper issues.
@@pikapi6993 Depends on the circumstances, but a lot of times the poor people live off the government and get government benefits. They get paid to have children by the government and to not work. Those that have more money don't have the advantage of the government backing them, and on top of that, divorce laws make it extremely difficult for middle income or wealthy people to want to marry, have kids, and risk losing half their assets in a divorce.
Frankly, the biggest issue here is that the divorce laws encourage lack of commitment in marriage.
I think people underestimate this problem. A fertility rate of 0.7 is basically 1/3rd of replacement rate. Played out into the future that looks like 100 people having 33 children who have 11 grandchildren who have 4 great-grandchildren. South Korea basically won’t exist in three generations.
Besides society ALWAYS sees women with children as punishment. Even today one of sexist the insults is, get pregnant. They don't see children as positive thing.
This yr a direct reaction to all the abuse women got in the last 100 years.
Yep. Korea is dying. And it's more about the modern selfish self serving mentally than anything else
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??? south korea will half in 100, HUNDRED YEARS, from 50M to 25M people, that is still a fuckton of people, and if slow growth contnue it will be 13M in another 100 years, idk man that is like ... at least 15 generations, and you know how fast humans can multiply in case it is needed
Excellent reportage. Romantic love definitely exists, I have been fortunate to experience it, however not all people are open to it.
You do an amazing job delving into this topic. I learned a lot and found this consistently engaging. Great job!
I'm a 52 year old American, I never hooked up due to personal social issues, but, if I had gotten married, I wouldn't like the situation today. I don't have a solution for you. My plan is to live out of my SUV if I lose my job and can't find another job on time. I can't imagine bringing a child into this world in any country, even the States. A man is supposed to work a job and pay for everything like the old days, now a couple with 3-4 jobs between them are barely making it from what I've seen online. If the American dream becomes a nightmare, what future can there be but more nightmares in the real world? Take care.
You're the only elder if not 52 who understood, If life were easier nowadays, how come there are higher suic1de rates and lower birth rates? My parents and many boomer relatives said the same spiel, but their situation was still not enough for a higher suic1de rate and lower birth rate back then, cause all they needed was to get into a company.
If there wasn't internet nowadays to distract myself, I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
@@MangaGamify It's the unseen stuff we don't know that influences us, not just media that causes issues. Chow.
Youll still need to make money if youre livin in a vehicle
@@BluEx22329 my job has understanding people, they will allow me to work, been with them 6 years.
At least you have plan. Many more people can't even afford such plans.
It's a shame that youtube doesn't push this video, I really appreciate the content. It's well researched and very engaging. Intelligent and complex content trumps clickbait short form contents. Keep up the good work.
doesn't ft UA-cam agenda
I agree
I wonder how many comments come from people with organic fingers.
Yea, this woman comes across as incredibly reasonable and down to earth on these issues. Very sane understanding of why this problem is happening, all the factors, and presenting the multitude of perspectives on it unbiasedly. It was actually helpful in letting me, a western person, understand the entire of picture of the problem... Not at all like our western content creators who usually speak on these issues. They're usually completely biased, in an unreasonable way, and usually blame the problem entirely on one side (either all men or all women) and spread hate. I like this video just because it was such a breath of fresh air on the issue, and I hope all our societies can find a solution to this problem as well as general loneliness soon.
Good video, lots of solid information and with good accompanying visuals. Good luck with the channel.
Thank you for making this video. It is very informative and level headed.
We have a similar decline in my family in the US. My grandparents on both sides, combined, had a total of 7 kids (3.5 birth rate). Those 7 kids had 14 kids (2.0 birth rate). Those 14 kids (my generation) had 15 kids (.93 birth rate), but 7 of those were from just one of my cousins who is a very devout Catholic. Without her my generation of siblings and cousins would have a birth rate of just .57 and 8 of us are childless. Almost all of us are married and past child-bearing years, the youngest of us turning 40 this year.
The main difference is that the US population isn't going into an unsustainable decline because of this, since the US is one of the most popular immigration targets on the planet. So the US can bring in people from outside. This is true for more modern western countries too. South Korea and Japan can't. Both the culture and legislation is outright hostile to foreigners permanently settling in and getting citizenship.
Your math doesnt add up..if 14 people produce 15 kids its more than 1 per couple not less
@@herbayum76Yes it is more like 1.07 birth rate
Compatibility of two people working together to win in life.
Cost of life is too high...
Very good article. Very informative and well balanced
Thanks for this coverage, very insightful :)
Hi Anna, I thoroughly went through all the points you mentioned in your video, and I couldn't agree more. However, I think the main problem lies in South Korea's approach to its economy. I am not a Korean person, but as someone who has a fair share of interest in global economic issues, I would say how the economy works for this country is somewhat in a weird position right now. There is a very rapidly growing inflation caused by the imbalance in the concentration and distribution of money in the population. Now, anyone would say, "Oh, that's a problem in every country." and YES, it is so. However, where things become interesting is how the country deals with the demands of the population, but it seems that there is an almost intentional appreciation towards this inflation.
Let me explain with an example you already pointed out: the price of a house. This issue has a lot more factors than what meets the eye. If we notice the urbanization of the country, it is mainly concentrated within the country's capital, which is a critical player in the constantly spiked prices of houses and accommodations. The landmass of the country is far from being saturated considering its current population, so if the economic units get more scattered throughout the nation, it is more likely that the population density will become more balanced, which would significantly reduce the accommodation costs and also will provide psychological comfort to people and encourage them more to start a family. However, it seems that such steps are less likely to be taken because the country wants to prevail in the social competitiveness that you mentioned in your video. But where there is excessive competition, harmony is little to be found.
I could discuss more points, but I don't want this comment to be overwhelmingly long. I've noticed that your channel has an intellectually curious audience, so I thought I'd share a snippet of my knowledge and understanding.
What about the elephant in the room, American influences on the traditional and cultural values of your country.
Agree and to add - the lack of strong social support system.
Just a few points from Anna’s video : In 2024 the Gov is talking(?!) about support to parents&parental leave.
SK children support parents - social pension is something relatively recent as far as I know - when lived is so difficult you don’t get married and start carrying about another generation.
When people are not married, they feel they have a voice, once they marry their identity disappears under child’s name- 엄마 or someone’s daughter in law.
Girls work so extremely hard and deserve to have a grown up seat at the table.
It will be very difficult to find balance and the Government will need to be looking at a programme not individual measures, and quickly.
The alternative is that they will be pushed to open the doors to foreigners (like the UK in the 50s or Germany 10 years ago) to increase the workforce and that will be a real shock for many!
That was very interesting, thanks for sharing.
As a Korean American, I completely agree. Korea is too Seoul centric. Everyone is obsessed with being in Seoul. For the price of a small apartment in a good neighborhood in Seoul, you can get a big and really nice house less than an hour away in the suburbs. It is understandable that all the jobs and societal pressure make it hard to move out of Seoul, but companies really need to be incentivezed to move away from Seoul. I was hoping the pandemic would encourage suburb migration through remote work like here in the States, but not much has changed as far as I can see.
@@stefheathcote6123 then why does western Europe, with its most liberal social support systems, most liberal maternity leave, most “gender equality”, most liberal social policies for women, have the lowest birth rates?
Feminism has ruined human societies. The breakdown of traditional family values, family-oriented gender roles like males being the provider and females taking care of children, teaching women to be overly liberal and prioritize her own sexual pleasures instead of raising a family, teaching young people it’s cooler to chase their own selfish pleasures instead of raising a family, etc.
Singapore has been trying to tackle this lower birthrate for almost 40 years without success. There are 3 races here and the Chinese race has the lowest TFR at 0.81 in 2023. So the government quietly "import" people and grant them citizenship every year. Personally I do not see the situation improving.
Does that mean Singapore in the future has high odds of becoming an ethnically super-mixed (as in no one race has an absolute majority in the population) nation?
@@_master depending on the inmigrants, they will probably will be anexed by china in a couple of decades
@@_masterit's already that way. You go there and see equal share of Chinese, Indians, and Malays/other SE Asian people there.
@@_master that’s how SG has been like for decades. The actual native (The Malays) are now the minority group in SG now. Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, and Philippinos are the majority of the population.
Thank you for so much information in such a short time!
The reason is the same in the US. If both husband and wife have to work 50+ hours a week to get by and daycare cost 25-30k a year what do you expect. worker productivity and gdp growth are pursued at the expense of all else.
One partner has to give up their careers then.
@@yunusgokcen174 and they can then happily starve - most people barely survive on two incomes, subtract one and add more expenses and see how this goes
@@atropabelladonna Our grandparents lived that way. They were happy with less. Feminism has increased unhappiness in society. I am not saying women shouldn't study or work, but you need to make choices. Ultimately, all women crave children and a large family. Stressing out over cleaning the house and holding good appareances is in their DNA. A career does not make a woman happy, if you have to believe the thousands of stories of women who regret choosing their career over settling down.
@@yunusgokcen174Conservative solution: reduce everyone's standard of living. Your solution to this is completely useless. Also he is not joking here he said that most people barely survive off two incomes. It is not a matter of surviving on less, it is homeless or not homeless.
I am a guy ethnic Korean, have lived in SK since 2016. Dated Korean girls, talked about the approach to relationships with different people including both guys and girls, and hear me out on this: Koreans on average have a skewed perception of dating, love, marriage, and what's normal in all these. Not even talking about the perceived "normal age" for marriage, that shit's rising up faster than inflation - in 2016 I heard something like 29, now I hear 33. I'm talking about... just being a nice partner to another person. 1) The whole young generation keeps telling each other that the way to get over the past relationship is to find a new one. Escapism and lack of responsibility at their finest. Relationships here either don't last at all and nobody fights for them or they last too long and people are just stuck with each other. 2) Koreans like to say "시간은 약이다", meaning "time heals all", which together with the fact that therapy is being looked down upon creates a shit ton of people with a shit ton of trauma and emotional baggage. 3) Culture of comparison. Compare everything and everyone. "Oh, my friend's BF gave her a Gucci bag, he's so nice!", and here you go, you're expected to outdo him as a guy. Also the same goes for "toxic traits" and red flags. God forbid you say the same thing as your GF's friend's ex said, you're fucked.
Some of my personal examples to illustrate: my ex's friend literally asked me for an advice on how to go about a guy pursuing her when she already was in a 3-year relationship. The relationship was dying, reportedly they had sex once a month, but she wanted to settle because she was pushing her thirties. Monkeybranching, essentially. On a separate occasion, my ex berated me for wanting intimacy because she compared our relationship with the friend's one and said "they have sex once a month so we should too, it's normal in Korea". Gaslighting 101. Crazy thing is all of her 5 friends had the same fucking scenario. The craziest thing, however, was when I realized that my colleagues and other Korean friends have the same mindset.
Someone said this already in the comments, but I’m also reminded of the phrase, “It’s hard to get animals to breed in captivity.”
My sympathies, mate.
Dead society, the North unironically is going to win, what a shitshow.
I think in advanced liberal economies some men are monopolizing women. Some men now get many women in their life and many get none. This leads to low marriage rates, low birth rates and probably lots of cat ladies later. There will be a lot of homeless senior women in 20 years. Because 10 pick me girls all can’t get married and have a family with the same man.
It's hard for me to imagine. I couldn't get a day off. Even when I was sick.
She is not that much into you and you probably don't do much for her to desire you .... genuine interest instead of me me me could do wonders
I have read that in parts of Italy about the closing of grade schools followed by those facilities being transformed into different types of elder care usage. Health care, housing & daytime elder care locations.
Yes, that's true, but these are kinder schools in rural areas, where people have moved to live in cities where it's easier to find work. However, Italy also has a fertility rate of around 1.2, which is better than 0.7, but still quite far from 2.1 for population stability. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with it; Italy is also overpopulated. It's composed of 59 million inhabitants, roughly the same as France, which, however, is twice as large in terms of territory.
Great. Elders are humans.
how come nobody talks about Italys dire birth rate
@@propertymanager9149 Many “first world” nations have birth rate issue. That includes most of Europe, China, Taiwan, Japan & Korea.
Educative, appreciate the perspective. Romantic love does people just not willing to go the extra mile these days.
Love the off the great wall clips
Super interesting insight on South Korea. Thank you for making this video!
I know people from Korea and I have also interned in Hong Kong and spoke to many of them about the catastrophically low birth rate. They told me that factors like the cost of living, housing prices, wages, job security, education costs, working hours, and just the environment in general make it very difficult if not impossible to have children and be able to adequately provide for them. This is especially given the school and work culture and environment are both extremely competitive and they want the children to be able to adequately compete to have a chance in life.
True. But wealthy people are still not having babies. The reason is because South Koreans and Japanese tend to be asexual. There are a lot of people who are asexual .
@@jacqueslee2592 No, believe me, the wealthy are definitely having babies.
They are lying. They are literally in richest countries where it's the easiest to provide. No one wants/loves/cares about children. Period. And to have children you need at least two people together who both want children.
@@jacqueslee2592 They are not asexual wtf are you talking about.
well school wont be competitve for long if there are very few children.
About your last question... if we consider human "subjectiveness", love may be either a construct or a real thing, therefore it's meaning is flexible.
My personal opinion (and you are free to disagree with it) is that love is a combination of 3 concepts linked together by respect. Those 3 concepts are friendship, care and lust. It is plastic, meaning that it will change from 33.333...% each to different percentages per concept
Fascinating! Would be great to discuss on our panel show.
In Canada i am college educated and my fields pay rate hasn't really changed in 15 years. Minimum wage has doubled. Every year i get closer and closer to making minimum wage for a college educated position while costs sky rocket. Who has money for kids in all that
Sounds Like you went to college for the wrong thing
Yayyy!!!! Anna is back with another deep dive video. Been waiting for this one since you told us on your past live streams. Thanks for all the statistics and clarification with the cultural aspects. 🙏✨
Much informative your video, congrats.
3 million won is about $2200. For context I spend that in a month on daycare. A one time payment of $2200 is a nice gesture but means absolutely fuck all over the course of an 18 year span.
If SK was actually serious about upping their birth rate it would be 3 million won a month, not total.
You're overpaying or your country is extremely expensive if that's what you spend on daycare.
Daycare in Oslo, the capital of Norway, is about $300 dollars per month (set to be reduced to $200 in august), and our daycare centers are staffed with many employees trained with at least 3 years of education in pre-school pedagogy.
@@theamici I'm American. Guess.
@@theamiciin’s it being subsidized with oil and gas money? Or is it being subsidized with the profits from you massive sovereign wealth fund?
Pretty amazing video about most interesting topic in South Korea, and it is so well made!!! Nowhere else and no one provided all this deep insight into SK society. Thank you so much!!!!!!!❤🎉😂😂
Also, in the West you can skip all the rituals and associated costs/stress by just registering your marriage and leaving for honeymoon right away :)
한국에선 결혼식에서 모든 하객으로부터 돈을 걷습니다...^^ 누가 언제 얼마 냈는지 명부 작성도 합니다. 그걸 보고 가서 얼마를 낼지 결정 합니다. 혼인신고만 하고 예식을 안하고 신혼여행을 간다는건... $40,000 정도의 수익을 포기한다는 것과 같습니다.. (결혼식은.. 돈 버는 날이에요^^.. 순수한 외국인들... ㅋㅋ)
@@eashgha If what you said had been true and if that mentality had been commonplace ("marriage is not the time to leave for a honeymoon but to make $40,000 in profit" - your words), people in SK would have queued to get married. However, the video here is telling a different story.
Besides, you invest your savings in all the wedding arrangements first, then wait that a crowd of guests bring you the money back. Aha. Do they all have an obligation to show up as if they were conscripts? I honestly doubt it ;)
Anyways, thanks for saying straightforward to a stranger that in your personal view marriage is just a business venture. Quoting Hyeri - "Interesting" (C)
@@larularulei7533 구글에 한국인들 '결혼식 평균 축의금'
@@larularulei7533 1. 구글에 한국 ''결혼식 평균 축의금"
@@larularulei7533 구글이라도 검색해 보세요. 한국인들 평균 축의금 ㅅㄱㅇ
I'm only 4 minutes in... It's been really smart and thorough... 👍
Maybe I’m just a hopeless romantic person but I still do believe in destiny and love that if two people are meant for each other ,no power on earth can stop them from meeting each other .
Hi Anna! Great topic. I personally think the only way to increase birth rates around the world is if governments actually improve conditions for having and raising children. First, affordable living standards to encourage marriage. Affordable schools with adequate time for social/rest/downtime so people can de-stress from pre-k to college. Livable wages and salaries, better health care, and longer paternity leave. Incorporate more free or affordable third places so people can have places to take their families and friends. Also, combine childcare and elder care together. The children keep the elders young, and the young can learn from their elders. Finally, most importantly, in my opinion, focus on human relationships rather than technology that focuses on individuals.
But that's just my opinion and dreams.
Totally agree with your input. However, we live in such an entitled world today, I wonder if it's possible to enforce any of this.
This is almost what EU is and it doesn't work over there.
@@pinkypilotThe sense of entitlement is with the large corporations and the basic needs of civilians (healthcare, education, fair wages, and employment) go ignored.
Tell that to India
Coporations: Nuh Uh 💀
The 75% South Korea movie, "Past Lives" when asked the Korean guy why he isn`t married - I have an ordinary job that pays an ordinary salary; therefore, struggling with the question of marriage.
where the hell do you get the figure 75 percent South Korean?
@@propertymanager9149 The movie is 75% in South Korean language.
love your commentary
Re: cost of living + pressure in Seoul, I know that SK also has a severe problem with rural devitalization. Would incentives for young people to relocate to those devitalized, lower-cost, lower-pressure (I'm just assuming here, SK folk please correct me if that is wrong) environments help?
Here in Greece we have the same issue as well I can see a dramatic change in the following years
The traditions you talked about regarding yemul or the family involvement in marriage is the same in Morocco. Crazy how far away the countries are but the traditions are similar.
Yeah, almost like gift giving is a very natural thing to do for all social animals.
Great analysis. Thanks
Same issues in Europe: average income around 34000 Euro (brutto), house prices around 600000 to 1 million Euro. Plus 40% taxes and social security, meaning that income is closer to 20.000 Euro a year (netto).
Hey Anna, I like every Video from you. I recognized how you prepared for this Video with lots of Information. Loved the message it is a problem everywhere. 😊 Thanks for All this Information and outspokeness. 👍😃
I think that romantic love is definitely real. The kind of love I feel towards my crush/girlfriend is definitely different to the kind of love I feel towards my best friend.
this seems a bit off topic. is this to response to something said in the video?
@@xybersurfer yes. This question is asked at the end of the video
I think the point made by the comment was what you feel towards your crush or girlfriend is a combination of the general love and sexual attraction.
@@justk.d3706 and my point is that it's not that. It's something different
@@sociolocomtsac a good gf will stick with you even if things get bad. Now, if you completely give up on everything and you don't even try to improve your circumstances, then yea, she might leave you eventually, but with a good gf it's not gonna be because of money, but because who wants a partner that completely gave up on life? Yes, I know depression can do this, but even a depressed person can wish to improve, can go to therapy (the gf could encourage you to seek help) etc?
During my stay in SK, between 2013-2017, BR was 1.4. It's half within 10 years. The strict competition in job market, high cost of living and high expectations from each partner, are just the few factors. Even match making outside Korean race can kick one out forever.
We're getting married (me, a married guy in Korea). Just we aren't having babies. And there are dozens of valid reasons for that which people have covered already.
On the topic of "love and romance in relationships", there's an interesting audiobook by Mark Manson called "Love Is Not Enough" that talks about why relationships that only focus on attraction, chemistry and romance, may often be less healthy in the long-term, if neglecting compatibility factors and more of a value-based approach when forming deeper relationships.
You're absolutely correct, Love Is Enough that's why nobody's getting together because mostly everyone is all broke. Give humans some credit if they're struggling and can barely make your own bills what makes you think they're going to try to start a family.
Interesting topic Anna, over time in every generation things change, the rise in local and global costs everywhere will always play a into the cultural rolls towards the decline in population especially these days. A silver lining may lay in learning how to align creatively and share the burden of costs in a shared economy to generate and stimulate growth opportunities around the world.
Hi Anna. How did you acquire such a great London & Oxbridge accent? Unusual.
the birth rate in all countries is going down. but in countries like Korea and Japan, where immigration is low, it is more visible. The equality between men and women has, changed the perspective of women to do more self-care, and have a lower interest in raising a child. commercial thinking has taken over from natural instinct.
natural instinct isn't always good.
@@somethingelse9228 natural instict keeps our species alive
@@renonyxum3966 so natural instinct is never good
Natural instinct can cause some to not have children until the conditions are right it can vary between people...
Breaking news: Males discovered that women also have brains, and don't act purely on instincts like wild animals
This is definitely becoming a global issue now.
Anna your voice and tone is really good for this type of content; as always I appreciate the research you have done, and how put together the video is overall 👏🏻👏🏻
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Good analysis
An artistic and humorous predisposition is a must to ever experience true romance. Duty and intellect are markers of social success. So important to nurture all before ever getting married.
That is an interesting suggestion
Very informative
She rasisd a few points i hadn't considered.
Like what
I was hoping to hear your own thoughts about this as married or not because the stats have been all over the internet. But regardless it was informative how you put it together
"We're f*cked". Or more like "we're not f*cked enough."
I feel really really sad about you. I am a fan of korean movies and dramas. So I thought about Korea based on these films and dramas and it was very positive and beautiful.
When I listening to your explanation, after the first two minutes my body started to shake. I cannot imagine how hard and stress you guys going through. This is exactly opposite what I thought previously about korea.
I wish your problems solve quickly and in positive way. And I hope youth people be more happy in their lives and relationships.
And again I am very sorry about you people. This video made me very emotional. Good luck!
@jyannalee At last someone intelligent and experienced in South Korea's working system addressed the issue with some valid points covering different areas.
Romantic love to me is -> respecting partner's view, understanding their feeling, and communicating own view in the same manner to significant partner.
The government of Korea should pay they’re citizens to have babies Im down to have 10 kids like my grandmother did
@@galileagonzales6326 if goverment start to pay, people will start to have babies -> for the sake of babies -> not for the betterment of society. Government and people should work together to decrease inflation and pay well to each sector of the country.
@@snishan95 i know inflation is serious I literally work over time just to pay my bills but it isn’t enough
For me, this view is simply any interaction with another person. IMO, to be love the other one must be important to you and have trust and emotional support on each other (family, friends, partner) and for romantic love you must add intimacy (not only sex, huggs, kiss, touch).
@@galileagonzales6326 The SK govt AND some major companies paid people to have more kids, a $75k bonus in the case of one construction company to it's employees. It didn't help because while a one time cash bonus is nice, the issues are deeply systemic and recurring and if you don't address those, giving people money does nothing. In the case of that construction company again, if the $75k was being exclusively used for the child, that would only help for the first few years of its life. Without employee raises, decrease in inflated prices, or general increase in the quality of life (especially for women), just giving people a lot of money at once does nothing to help.
Very deep and informative video
And the dating culture is to unimaginable there the cases that comes out from Korea about dating cases are really dark.
Impressive analysis of this worldwide problem.
Personally, I see housing inflation (and inflation in general) as the number one reason, just like Ms Anna Lee here. It's hard to think of marriage if the costs barely allow basic survival, let alone raise a family. The solution is to control the price of housing, especially if it's public housing like we have here in Singapore. I guess that must be easier said than done, since we failed in Singapore too.
I work for a Wall Street firm.Fidelity Investments says it takes $645,000 to raise a child from birth to Bachelor's degree. Most couples regardless of where they live don't have that kind of money available. It's probably even more if you live in Seoul or Busan. If you're going to get married,the husband needs to make enough money so his wife doesn't have to work unless she wants to.The problem is that the most affordable homes are not in Seoul,but the best jobs are in Seoul.It's the same here in the States. If you live in a rural area,your income is going to be abysmal, and when you're young you're not making enough to afford a home in an urban area.There's no easy solution.
Men and women are legally required to be paid equally but men are expected to pay for everything.
@@vaughnwilliams1208 MAN UP!
@@vaughnwilliams1208I mean if you’re asking for children to be created wouldn’t you want the man to have enough to support the family? America aren’t that supportive when it comes to mother/maternity leave. You have pregnant women fired for having simple pregnancies issues. So if you think about it… it sorta make sense
@@melteddarkchocolate000 Men always think of what's best for his family, women only think of what's best for her. You are typical example.
@@melteddarkchocolate000 go invest in your cats and box wines woman
Very informative video. I liked it alot
Housing prices are CRAZY everywhere!!!!
Lowering the cost of living might be a good start to get the birth rate up. If things cost less people may be more inclined to have children. Now I’m no economist so I have no idea how this could be done. I just know that in my personal case if I could actually afford a house I might consider settling down one day, but as things are now that’s not happening.
Honestly, it sounds like the SK government has already found what the issue IS, they're just not doing enough to combat it. Like you said, most people actually WANT to have kids, they just don't have the money/time/mental state. This is true in the west, and it sounds like it's WORST in SK (and I think Japan?). Raising a family takes time, money, and not being stressed out of your mind from a neverending high-octane ratrace.
If you (general "you", not you, Anna "you") want higher birthrates, what you need to do is kick out this notion that a person's value is tied to their productivity and net worth, because having kids negatively impacts both by a lot. This means you need to give them more free time (ACTUAL free time, not time that people feel they need to spend taking courses to increase their value as an employee or the like) and give them a better income-to-expenses ratio. Like, houses costing 1M versus an income of 34k is an absolute non-starter, for example.
You give people financial security, free time, and a relaxed mental state, and you get babies.
In Japan, the birth rate is poor, about the same as in Spain or Italy. But only South Korea has literally zero birth rate.
I don't think it's just that. Maybe that explains why, in 2022, Japan was at 1.26 & China's at 1.09, but SKorea's was at 0.78 in 2022. So there's something different about SKorea.
@@FakeAccount-px7mdThe main difference is geographic. Korea has mountains everywhere, which leave only a few patches of urbanizable areas that are kinda isolated. This has generated a forced localization of business in a single megacity.
And because a big portion of the population lives in Seoul, the housing prices have skyrocketed.
Not to mention there's a strong oligopoly going on in Korea, a few companies make up most of the countries economy. And they decide the prices of their products as they wish, because the government tries hard to avoid foreigner companies to have direct competition with local business, protecting the oligopolies
I don't think everyone wants to have children if you clearly have a society that thanks to the world crisis and inflation doesn't have the budget, but it's obvious that we all know Korea is a patriarchal society, where women are treated badly and women don't have the same rights as other countries, obviously they are not going to think about forming a relationship and consequently a family... I live in a country with a lot of insecurity and inflation, yet people have a lot of children
@@an0nycat
Japan is always mentioned when the birth rate is discussed but Japan is far better than Korea. Japan's birth rate is 1.26, and Japan's population is more than twice that of Korea to begin with. And many Western countries only look better on the surface because they have large numbers of immigrants. If immigration were removed, the birth rates in these countries would be the same as or lower than Japan's. But Korea, unfortunately, has fallen to a level from which it can no longer recover.
All North Korea has to do is wait.
thank you that was a good video.
Marriage was initially a tradition for making a family NOT BASED on love. The parents were the ones to decide the suitor/suitress.
I think love can be real. The issue is love does not mean the same for everyone. Love is a feeling, it was existed in pretty much every culture. Love I think is a fondness for another. Sometimes it's easy when it's new, harder as time goes by.
Romantic love is very real, but I feel the most is very unattainable. My wife and I met when we were both 14 years old and we immediately head over heels for each other. We married nine years later. Fast-forward another 11 years and we are welcoming our first child. The problem for us was not romantic love it was the economic situation here inAmerica. It took many, many years for us to feel comfortable enough to have a kid in this economic climate.
100%. Same story for me.
Congratulations on your fortunate love story and on your baby. I am older with 3 children who are now starting their own families. I would en outage you to have at least one more child, I spite of the expense. Children need siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles….. if everyone has only one child, this whole system breaks down and is not good for the development of the children. As I said I am older have and witnessed with problems very small families brings. This is more general advice to whoever reads this. Nothing personal.
@@TourdionInstrumental I'm actually older, too, and I have two children. We waited a long time to try to have one, and accidentally had twins. But I agree with you, despite the expense, it's better for kids to have a siblings and cousins, etc. It's actually sad seeing how few of those relationships my kids have.
I live in Europe, Prague, and what you said about families having a lot of leverage over young couples certainly is relatable for me. My family does not really approve of my girlfriend, and so they significantly restricted their material support for me. My family owns multiple flats, and at first they weren't even willing to lend me one at all, after a few years they agreed, but for close to the market price, which would be hard to afford. Luckily we did find a solution through the family of my girlfriend, but without that it would be really hard for us to get by.
Get your own cuz parents are real slick and conniving.
I believe in romantic love. Me and my wife are experiencing it every day. We understand that is hard to do it nowadays, but keep your head up, it’s good to be together!
Thank you, Anna, for this video! Much appreciated. I am interested in understanding the 4B movement manipulation in the west (me not living in the West, I'm in a different part of the world) so this video was very helpful. Thank you and all the best to you and South Korea! :)
@@ErichLudendorff739 If it's not 4B movement, then what is it ?
As far as I know, most countries being influence by the west ideologies ( Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan ) are having their population on decline.
@@ErichLudendorff739 okay, I understand. I'm really curious if nobody wants to get married anymore, there won't be enough people to be recruited to the military to be ready for war if North Korea invade South Korea.
@@ErichLudendorff739 okay, I understand. I'm really curious what happened if there won't be enough people to be recruited to the military to be ready for war if North Korea invade South Korea.
@@luphuong5239 North Korea is losing birth rate too.
@@luphuong5239the 4B movement in it's total radicallity started in Korea. Because woman are first conditioned to work like crazy in school, university neglecting a nice life basically studying like a robot, then when they get married/have children are supposed to drop all their achievements and stay home, and are usually not hired back anymore. It's like throwing away all the you fought so hard for, and women are fed up. Korea appears suoer modern and yet is very conservative, it tears the ppl apart. Not just the woman btw, but especially these.
It’s not a Korea issue is a foreshadow of what’s going to happen globally. At least Korea will be ahead of the game and will adapt to it before every other country. All organisms and systems adapt it doesn’t necessarily mean it bad thing. Maybe environment will be healthier maybe there will be a more aggressive AI adoption to replace labor, maybe inflation gets corrected etc it’s all how you approach, adapt and deal with it good or bad.
There can be no adaptation to a fertility rate of 0.7. If this continues, South Korea will collapse.
This a selection event in evolution. Looks like only the onces who try to have kids will reproduce in Korea. Currently only 35 kids for every 100 adults. Your watching history being made. The Fall of Rome. The fall of Byzantium. A Black death of the mind? Or a Black Death caused by femminsm? Only 9 countrys are above replacement level this year.
We don't need all that labor to begin with. South Korea, like every western country, is vastly overproducing.
@@theamici you are the labour you are talking about. Are you from a Nobel family or political leadership? The top 1%? Then you are the labour.
I just cried today because I paid my rent and now I have to survive two more weeks less than $200 and I live by myself and it’s impossible having a family
Lol and boomers just want us to have kids when we can barely afford to keep ourselves alive.
If you lived with someone else your expenses would be halved.
@@josh2482need more worker bees
Love is just the sweetness of emotions.
The biggest reason for the plunge in Korea's fertility rate is not emotional. It is because of the price of a house in Seoul. When renting a house, the deposit is called jeonse, and it costs an average of 600,000 us dollars in Seoul. To purchase a house that is not rented, you need 1.3 million us dollars. Young couples cannot purchase a house to raise a child in Seoul with their income.
Try not all living in Seoul, problem solved
@@simonb4689Korean businesses are concentrated in Seoul. It is hard for young people to have decent jobs in the provinces except for public jobs.
@@user-pn1gf7br1h oh I know, but if there isn't any workers available, they'll move, they'll offer remote working positions, etc. People have the power
@@user-pn1gf7br1h make your own business? People somehow settled entire cities with no "concentrated business" around and good jobs
@@simonb4689 "They move"? Really? Like shipyard industry will move? Right? Like all of manufacturing engeenering and all stuff around it... will move? 😆
Anna the world has become so materialistic and in your country is really hard to raise a family as the factors you mentioned, real love still exists but I see it tested after hardships so it takes time
Very good video.
Malcolm Collins had a video about this with an interesting idea: Have the national exam give bonus points to siblings, more points the more you have. Make it so that if you want the best future for your kid, you need more than one child. The channel that came up with this idea is called "based camp with malcolm and simone".
Sure there is romantic/passionate love (and other types of love couples can experience), but what I think you are probably interested in is marital satisfaction over time, where love is one of several factors contributing to that long-term satisfaction. Complicated!
Naw, catholic marriage vows are be with me rich or poor, sick or healthy. If you cant agree to that dont married. Just because you have wealth doesnt mean you cant lose it yet you made vows to be with person.
Current divorce laws and lack of consequence for cheating is recipe for the death of a society.
Love can happen when one understands oneself and is open to giving love. The feeling is mutual when the person opposite is also open to giving love. It's not about expectations of receiving anything back. In order for that to happen, the ego has to be forgotten. Love is very individual, and it depends on the person's life experiences. We, including myself, are living with our childhood traumas, and expressing feelings triggers them. It is hard to address negative emotions with words, especially if they are personal ones. Understanding is vital, one holding space in order for the other to heal and grow.
Trust, communication, and mutual respect are fundamental elements that sustain romantic relationships over time.
It's sad when a population faces slow extinction because they're too focused on maintaining cultural traditions that are the cause of the decline. Same reason they don't accept immigrants from other countries.
Rich and beautiful traditions, but a recipe for societal self-destruction.
People don't seem to understand that when the world population was 3.5 billion, vs over 7 billion today, we don't have a CO2 emission problem.
It's actually necessary for the population to naturally drop down on It's own to have a sustainable economy and environment.
The CO2 problem always existed when a mega Vulcano explodes
@@julianmarco4185 Yes of course, but the nonsense CO2 tax and related will disappear
@jyannalee I think you might get a lot out of listening to a seminar from Demographer, Peter Zeihan. His presentation is a bit American-centric and tends toward a curious mix of "Right" and "left", but if you can ignore that, he actually explains EXACTLY why there is a worldwide crash in populations among countries that quickly urbanized. One fact that may resonate, from him, is that in agrarian, rural societies, children are free labor. In urban societies, however, children are an expense. ("Loud, obnoxious, EXPENSIVE pieces of furniture").
You can find his long-form presentations on UA-cam pretty easily. You might enjoy it. Try to find one where he's on a stage and presenting charts and slides.
Anyway, thanks for your video. Great work!
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Thank You very much sister, for this Informative video .God Almighty is all loving and all Loves comes from Him.May Our creator guide us all to the right path.