@@Kate-to3xq You also don't have hundreds of thousands to over a million of defensive uses of firearms in Australia like we do every year (per the CDC). When evil sticks it's head up to beat, stab, rape, and kill your daughters and granddaughters, they are pretty much helpless. Australian gun policy in the US would result in a LOT more victims than we have now. IF wee had door to door searches and confiscations that were magically able to take ALL the guns out of the people's hands, there would be less "shootings"....but there will be a HELL of a LOT more victims of violent crimes in the future than there is in a society where a predator must at least consider his intended victim armed and capable of hurting or killing him instead. What we have here are a long train of societal/policy failures compounded with political agendas to actually destabilize and dumb down our society. Cultural influencers are tearing us apart, and government is making us more vulnerable. There's not one SANE man who has spent enough time in Nature to understand how predation works who would willingly assume the position of the prey animal by giving up his most basic and valuable Natural Right to the means of self preservation. Australia is no model for the U.S. to follow. I have five grown sons, all of which are gun owners. I have six young Grandchildren (so far...that's just from two of the sons)....five of which are girls. I promise you that they will ALL get guns from PawPaw. They will get ammunition from PawPaw. They will be taught how to and when to use them...and they will each be taught how to reload their own cartridges by PawPaw. When I refuse to give up my Right to a gun, it's because I refuse to leave my children and Grandchildren to the wolves.
@@Kate-to3xq and AU citizens have been defenseless in the face of crime ever since. Outright banning guns doesn't solve the everlasting problem of physical disadvantage some have against others. For example, elderly or women vs bigger attackers. A firearm equalizes forces in favor of the less physically strong. They also banned rifles that aren't even used by most criminals so it seems to be more about control than keeping people safe. Heard the homicide and suicide rate didn't reall change after. What did change is again the individuals ability to protect themselves.
My church has armed security but you would never know it. Deacons or other members of the church carry concealed wespons & sit in different locations through out the chuch also members of the church serve on security team. You would never know anyone was armed
Active shooter scenarios are very dynamic, they can change quickly and no two will be the same...that's hard to train for even in a controlled environment, you have to make split second decisions...and what if there had been a 2nd or even 3rd shooter in this scenario? - USCCA Member since 2016
@@luisdavila2713 yea it is sad, however if we utilize our god given 2nd amendment and don’t punish those who save lives you’ll see a big drop off of active shooters, it’s why they overwhelmingly go to gun free zones.
The scenario should of been somewhere else. But I get where you guys are going with this scenario. In reality that would not even happen in church. But who is the innocent person in the scenario? For everyone else reading this comment and if you saw the video take it with a grain of salt. Murder is not good it is ugly, terrible, immoral, I hate to shoot every time. I rather go on a route of lets hear what he has to say and what is bothering him. Help him out. You never know what someone is going through in life. Maybe it was a divorce, breakup, I have nothing in my life to do. The person can be lost in his life. I'm surprised no one went hands on to disarm him or even to let divert the problem outside.
Chance favors a prepared mind! Yup it’s a movie quote,but it’s truly practical to prepare mentally to be the aggressor in any situation,especially when you are being attacked! A good offense is the best defense!
The "defender" in this video has apparently received a lot of training. That was very important in him being able to "take" immediate command of this situation. With shootings and "volatile" situations happening more often at places of worship, this type of scenario based training is important. I say that because I am not convinced that this "smooth" outcome will be or can be easily reproduced in a "real scenario." Hopefully I might be wrong.
The defender had the advantage of knowing that this was a training scenario and that there would be an attacker and he was firing non lethal practice bullets. Most people will operate correctly under those circumstances. A real shooter, unannounced, using live ammo, will certainly have a different reaction and possibly different outcome.
Active shooters are more and more common . A hospital pharmacy next to my house was held up at gun point. My wife works there. The parking lot where i work was the scene of a fatal shooting. Domestic violence reportedly. In out every day lives we must remain vigilant and prepared.
I've never been taught about closing distance. It was always "make space" so you can get off your shots. This was awesome. Being old puts me at a disadvantage but I'd still like some more training. Old dogs CAN learn new tricks and I still need to be able to protect that old lady I love so much.
And scenarios like this are why , with or without permission , whether by "rules" or "ordinance" or "law" I will always carry my weapon of choice , I will always be vigilant, and I will always defend what is right. Because whether it is my children, or yours, I will fight and die to protect them
I don't think it would run this smoothly in a real life environment but it is good to know how to react should it happen. Closing that distance was important but it takes nerves of steel to do in a real situation. Training and education are the best edge in this situation. Be safe all.
Add silent /non-verbal initial action into the equation. It should be more telling what the level of awareness on the part of the defenders is when they aren't cued by loud sound/speech that is clearly aggressive or combative. I was thinking about a false alarm when the one man's phone rang and he got up to leave. I like that you added that. Once again, it was sound that triggered defensive attention. I would envision silent/low key enemy advance movements.
I thought the responses to the situation were spot on. It’s too bad we need a security team, but ours is well trained and continues to refresh. I appreciate these videos.
More churches and church administrations need to realize that they are the fish in the barrel, and had better take concrete steps to prepare for just this scenario...
Standing up to confront them just make you a better target. They are not there to talk or debate, they are there to kill people. Let them be the first and only to cease breathing.
9 seconds in what I do is stand up pull concealed carry card and say I have a concealed carry permit stop what you are doing and then I remember that you said we can't bring our guns here in the church and I say oh never mind I forgot y'all told us we couldn't bring our gun so I sit back down and die with everybody else.
I have been to a church that had incognito security. My church locks all doors before service. Now covid and the lack of people having religious interests today eliminated unknown patrons : (
It's good to have the right to protect myself and my loved ones. It's great to have people and places to go to, to get training to be better and more successful for this.
Being a vet I actively invited the men of the church to learn to shoot properly and establish a plan for such BS. Respect for the aggression shown in defense of his church members.
F.A.S.T. classes are available. They are high stress scenario events for physical and weapon confrontations. IMO, they are good to take to see how you will react under stress. Find one and sign up!!
The majority of security teams in churches are in plain clothes..... Who has their firearms concealed. This guy was kitted out like he was doing a competition shoot.
Did you see the video of that exact scenario, guy just came in and shot one guy then was met with 4 other attendees and a security guard with bullets. There’s always an if, and it’s impossible to predict for every scenario because it’s so dynamic. But there is something you can do to be ready for any scenario if it may arise. Arm yourself and train
So my question after this scenario, is that security guard always dressed in that attire with that same holster? Because generally the churches I know of that have armed security, are usually in suits.... and have their firearms concealed. Which creates more of a difficulty pulling while dealing with someone in the same situation. Also, after he eliminated the subject he focused on him instead of potential other threats. Should always do your best to never get tunnel vision.
Some churches have gone to dressing their security in more comfortable clothing to allow them better able to response and to differentiate the good guy from the bad guy(s) in the event of a shoot out. I know one church where they all wear yellow or orange security shirts and yellow or orange caps.
@@briangc1972 yeah but at the end of the day Security in such an environment shouldn't announce themselves until they are needed. Uniformed security is just a way of making security a Target.
@@napalmstickylikeglue I didn't say I supported their decision. I was simply saying that I know of a couple churches where the security are dressed conspicuously and why they made that decision.
This is great stuff. Do you agree that "profiling" can give you a leg up on a potential shooter? I mean if someone is acting squirrelly, not a regular church goer, is dressed inappropriately, etc.
My first thought was the interrupted just wanted to talk and was given permission before the other guy escalated. He drew second. But my second thought was that maybe his message was actually bullets, and the blocking guy suspected it. The speaker giving permission could be just to avoid anger directed at himself, whereas the body guard was in the right to stop the interrupted and even draw his gun, firing when the interrupted drew his. Either way, firing was justified once he reached into his pocket. How did the defender know to act so forcefully so soon? The fact the guy said "that's quite enough of that" instead of just asking permission, and walking forward without permission, likely were the top off. Now articulate that to a jury who sees the guard drawing first even after the speaking agreed to let the other speak.
The biggest flaw in the strategy demonstrated here is the security was sitting in the front row with his back to the entire congregation. Many churches do that. The security should be placed in the last row of seating and in the middle of the seating but along the aisles; generally the side aisles. A gunman is more likely to be seated to one side or the other as opposed to sitting in the middle. He won't choose the middle because he won't want to be surrounded, he will feel trapped. As this gunman showed, he is more likely to not sit up front, but more towards the rear.
Interesting idea about where a mass killer might sit. Your comments certainly make sense. This subject piqued my curiosity, and I hit the web for some quick answers. Sadly seat location is generally not reported, unless you dig into the Court transcripts. This topic of seat location certainly warrants more study. Thanks for bringing it up.
Yes, however you can always have him incognito up front facing the crowd. Because as you saw he was able to stop the shooter from getting closer, now if you have 2 guards then obviously 1 in back and 1 upfront
@@Whiskey5_ He was only successful because the attacker voiced his intentions. Had the attacker actually been an active shooter who already had a drawn weapon, the security dude would have been one of the first casualties. The security dude only prevailed because the attacker was so ridiculously slow drawing his weapon. The problem with these pretend scenarios is that the person playing the role of attacker is not as committed or determined as a real life shooter. The real life shooter typically has practiced with hie weapon and has planned his attack and as a result is much more lethal than the actor.
@@dfl19034 You could ask the investigating law enforcement department for a copy of their final report or ask to speak to the investigators involved. They would have drawings of where the shooter entered, where he sat/stood, where he was first encountered, etc. I think that most simply walked in and started shooting unannounced. Which would make this video useless for training. I know of churches that have received threats and they each have 2 security outside watching the parking areas, one at each entry door, and one or two in the last rows of seating. It is not hard to get 6 volunteers for those jobs. The volunteers take it very seriously, attend training every other month, and consider it a privilege to be chosen to protect their fellow parishioners.
There is an increasing “unease” among people. It’s not constant, it seems to ebb and flow but the general intensity is increasing. It began before covid19 but that certainly is fueling it. Whether it’s driven by political events, the disconnect in our interactions with others driven by increased use of the damned cell phones/social media or a combination of many factors, here we are. And it’s going to get worse before any hopes for improvement. We can try to live positively and lead by example, but must always stay vigilant “to defend the good tribe from the forces of evil” to borrow a phrase by Peyton Quinn. Thanks for your efforts.
The down side to training scenarios like this is you know it’s coming. What if this was real world and the guy going up to the pastor didn’t have a gun and was reaching for his phone or what but the guard/citizen jumped the gun and escalated the situation by intervening too soon and or pulling his gun too soon
Now, if he'd interrupted (it's impolite, not FATAL) & SPOKEN, and guard hadn't closed on him, WOULD he have drawn his gun? AND would shots have been fired? Should EVERY worship-service interruption carry the death penalty? Really?
Training people who are already congregants would be easier. They are known to fellow Church-goers & in return,they know their brothers & sisters on Christ so new faces would be obvious. You always hope that someone you don't know is in Church to refresh their Faith.
The armed individuals pulling security shouldn't be in security uniforms. That puts a target on them and makes them visible to the bad guys... They should blend in and 2 should be towards the back and maybe 1 near the front.
So sad that we have to do this or that such evil has happen, is happening, and sadly will continue to happen in the House of The Lord. But glad that we are, indeed, acknowledging and preparing fo a real event.
That's is awesome security guard at the church service pull out the gun protect and members of the church pastor was preaching all sudden he snapped just a play in real life never met what going through their mind protect and members and staff members world is getting crazy as we speak living in last days of earth's history time of trouble when probation is closed is closed
It is ironic, but that's what crazy people and terrorists force congregations to do. If this were a synagogue, it wouldn't seem so over the top due to recent attacks.
@@jamesmartin7282 It's just funny that the "active shooter scenario" they choose to make a video on is one occurring inside a church. I'd be much more concerned about one happening in a workplace, shopping center, school, etc, and statistically any of us are far less likely to be involved in one in a church than those other places. USCCA just knows their audience and is appealing to it I guess, while riding the wave from the synagogue attack.
The story seemed best case though. What if 1 person or so was just asking a ? Or maybe a crazy person. The true idiot was waiting for the distraction. That is what I thought. I know rarely is it ever so simple. Maybe pepper spray is all there is. Just before security gets there.
I don't think this is realistic. 2:01 If Somebody says I have had enough and I have something to say people in a real Church environment are not going to start scattering.... They're going to sit and hear what he has to say. 2:06 The security guard pulled out his gun too soon, he could have been reaching for a wallet.
These were my exact same thoughts when I watched this video. Not realistic at all. Plus it was an exercise and they were waiting for it to happen. No way would it happen like this. I’ve seen people stand up in church to voice their question or disagreement to what a pastor is saying just like the guy in the video.
I also have been going to church since my grade school days, I'm going to be 70 in a few weeks, I also have not seen a violent out burst. But I also realize with church shootings and churches becoming soft targets and the anti-christianity that's going on in the world, although sad, it's best to have a plan and be prepared.
@@larryreinke6136 The last book of that Bible is coming more and more true by the minute. Better believe in them Bible “stories “ we living right in the middle of one
Acts 8 is a good one, but after this, I think their Thursday night crowd will not be the same. It would have been more interesting to do the end of Acts 7 with Stephen being killed which sets off a chain of events. Just saying. Thanks USCCA!
Does anyone think this scenario is realistic? Also, what if the "bad" guy was just upset and didn't plan on using his gun? The aggressive advance of the guard encouraged him to do so.. Do any churches have armed security? If you are a bystander, don't confront him as you lose the element of surprise; it becomes a competition of speed. You confronting the bad guy could also be seen as aggressive and not turn out well in court. They could argue that you triggered the incident. More so if the bad guy lives
That's what I said in another comment: the moment that guy stood up in the middle of a service I would have my sidearm out and aimed. No hesitation. I can always be embarrassed and apologize later, knowing that everyone is alive to hear my apology.
It looks to me like that shot should have been made from retention. He damn near stuck his gun in a guy's face where he could have had it taken away, deflected it or whatever.
I just watched a security guard kill a man for interrupting and walking up the isle. In the real world he would be jailed for murder. It seems the man in the coat was rude yet possibly defending himself from the cowboy security guard. Very very irresponsible video! Imagine people pulling out guns and blasting every time someone got loud
The shooter disrupted the service, which warrants some sort of confrontation. Then he reached for his weapon before security fired his weapon. Security is there to take control and maintain control. You can’t simply stand by cowardly and wait for it to go too far.
WHAT A JOKE HAHAHAHAHAHA.... so let's really think about this the "shooter" would sit in the middle of the room? wouldint it be more smart to SIT IN THE BACK. i swear these people BARELY think of a scenario like this.. they think "well let's try this and go with it even though we only though about it for 10mins" p.s DISLIKE
@@brendanwoerner3352 how lol i prove a point these dumb people think a "shooter" will only think one way.. that is like saying a dirtbike rider only thinks "one way to win a race"
You are more than welcome to post a video of your own that absolutely bedazzles everyone with your clearly superior tactical-training “eKsPurTiSe”🤡... 🙄🙄🙄
It is sad when a person feels he has to have an armed guard in church these days but at least in America we have the right to to have firearms
We have the choice to. Imagine if we didn’t. Church would be a gathering of unarmed sitting ducks.
In Australia guns are banned and we haven’t had a massacre since 1995 at Port Arthur.
@@Kate-to3xq You also don't have hundreds of thousands to over a million of defensive uses of firearms in Australia like we do every year (per the CDC). When evil sticks it's head up to beat, stab, rape, and kill your daughters and granddaughters, they are pretty much helpless.
Australian gun policy in the US would result in a LOT more victims than we have now. IF wee had door to door searches and confiscations that were magically able to take ALL the guns out of the people's hands, there would be less "shootings"....but there will be a HELL of a LOT more victims of violent crimes in the future than there is in a society where a predator must at least consider his intended victim armed and capable of hurting or killing him instead.
What we have here are a long train of societal/policy failures compounded with political agendas to actually destabilize and dumb down our society. Cultural influencers are tearing us apart, and government is making us more vulnerable.
There's not one SANE man who has spent enough time in Nature to understand how predation works who would willingly assume the position of the prey animal by giving up his most basic and valuable Natural Right to the means of self preservation.
Australia is no model for the U.S. to follow.
I have five grown sons, all of which are gun owners. I have six young Grandchildren (so far...that's just from two of the sons)....five of which are girls. I promise you that they will ALL get guns from PawPaw. They will get ammunition from PawPaw. They will be taught how to and when to use them...and they will each be taught how to reload their own cartridges by PawPaw.
When I refuse to give up my Right to a gun, it's because I refuse to leave my children and Grandchildren to the wolves.
@@Kate-to3xq and AU citizens have been defenseless in the face of crime ever since.
Outright banning guns doesn't solve the everlasting problem of physical disadvantage some have against others. For example, elderly or women vs bigger attackers. A firearm equalizes forces in favor of the less physically strong.
They also banned rifles that aren't even used by most criminals so it seems to be more about control than keeping people safe.
Heard the homicide and suicide rate didn't reall change after. What did change is again the individuals ability to protect themselves.
My church has armed security but you would never know it. Deacons or other members of the church carry concealed wespons & sit in different locations through out the chuch also members of the church serve on security team. You would never know anyone was armed
Absolutely brilliant thank you. I definitely think you should do more of these scenarios
Active shooter scenarios are very dynamic, they can change quickly and no two will be the same...that's hard to train for even in a controlled environment, you have to make split second decisions...and what if there had been a 2nd or even 3rd shooter in this scenario? - USCCA Member since 2016
Great point! And is a shame that even in the House of God we need security this days….
@@luisdavila2713 yea it is sad, however if we utilize our god given 2nd amendment and don’t punish those who save lives you’ll see a big drop off of active shooters, it’s why they overwhelmingly go to gun free zones.
@@luisdavila2713 in the house of god the security has been needed for centuries… your god may not be someone else’s
The scenario should of been somewhere else. But I get where you guys are going with this scenario. In reality that would not even happen in church. But who is the innocent person in the scenario?
For everyone else reading this comment and if you saw the video take it with a grain of salt.
Murder is not good it is ugly, terrible, immoral, I hate to shoot every time. I rather go on a route of lets hear what he has to say and what is bothering him. Help him out. You never know what someone is going through in life. Maybe it was a divorce, breakup, I have nothing in my life to do. The person can be lost in his life.
I'm surprised no one went hands on to disarm him or even to let divert the problem outside.
Chance favors a prepared mind! Yup it’s a movie quote,but it’s truly practical to prepare mentally to be the aggressor in any situation,especially when you are being attacked! A good offense is the best defense!
The "defender" in this video has apparently received a lot of training. That was very important in him being able to "take" immediate command of this situation. With shootings and "volatile" situations happening more often at places of worship, this type of scenario based training is important. I say that because I am not convinced that this "smooth" outcome will be or can be easily reproduced in a "real scenario." Hopefully I might be wrong.
I believe the defender in this scenario is a police officer.
The defender had the advantage of knowing that this was a training scenario and that there would be an attacker and he was firing non lethal practice bullets. Most people will operate correctly under those circumstances. A real shooter, unannounced, using live ammo, will certainly have a different reaction and possibly different outcome.
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It was a great scenario I hate to see it come to that specially in a church sometimes we just don't have choices great job guys
Active shooters are more and more common . A hospital pharmacy next to my house was held up at gun point. My wife works there. The parking lot where i work was the scene of a fatal shooting. Domestic violence reportedly. In out every day lives we must remain vigilant and prepared.
They’re not necessarily more common, just high lighted a lot more
We need more of this
Agreed!
Thank you for the scenario. Gives a lot to think about, and helps give frames of reference. Much appreciated.
I've never been taught about closing distance. It was always "make space" so you can get off your shots. This was awesome. Being old puts me at a disadvantage but I'd still like some more training. Old dogs CAN learn new tricks and I still need to be able to protect that old lady I love so much.
Very good reaction. Security distracts the assailants attention away from everyone else, watching the hands at all times and engages.
And scenarios like this are why , with or without permission , whether by "rules" or "ordinance" or "law" I will always carry my weapon of choice , I will always be vigilant, and I will always defend what is right. Because whether it is my children, or yours, I will fight and die to protect them
Brother Kevin.. thank you for the knowledge!!
Thank you for amazing content
We need more videos like this Great job like always thank you
I don't think it would run this smoothly in a real life environment but it is good to know how to react should it happen. Closing that distance was important but it takes nerves of steel to do in a real situation. Training and education are the best edge in this situation. Be safe all.
Add silent /non-verbal initial action into the equation.
It should be more telling what the level of awareness on the part of the defenders is when they aren't cued by loud sound/speech that is clearly aggressive or combative.
I was thinking about a false alarm when the one man's phone rang and he got up to leave. I like that you added that. Once again, it was sound that triggered defensive attention. I would envision silent/low key enemy advance movements.
I thought the responses to the situation were spot on. It’s too bad we need a security team, but ours is well trained and continues to refresh. I appreciate these videos.
Great scenario. Thanks for sharing it. 👍
More churches and church administrations need to realize that they are the fish in the barrel, and had better take concrete steps to prepare for just this scenario...
I don't think I'd get up and confront him I'd just discreetly draw my pistol at the low ready. No more playing around with these fools
Standing up to confront them just make you a better target. They are not there to talk or debate, they are there to kill people. Let them be the first and only to cease breathing.
good response from the security guy!
9 seconds in what I do is stand up pull concealed carry card and say I have a concealed carry permit stop what you are doing and then I remember that you said we can't bring our guns here in the church and I say oh never mind I forgot y'all told us we couldn't bring our gun so I sit back down and die with everybody else.
I have been to a church that had incognito security. My church locks all doors before service. Now covid and the lack of people having religious interests today eliminated unknown patrons : (
Thanks for the info, God bless you all.
Thank you!
It's good to have the right to protect myself and my loved ones. It's great to have people and places to go to, to get training to be better and more successful for this.
Thank you for these videos Bro! Wooooooow! good stuff!
Nicely executed training op.
Great scenario , would like to see more
Well done. Jake played it well.
Great video!
Thank you for the video.
Being a vet I actively invited the men of the church to learn to shoot properly and establish a plan for such BS. Respect for the aggression shown in defense of his church members.
Thank you for your service, Rob. It's great that you are willing to take time to train others.
Thank you again
Great video
Great video USCCA!!!
F.A.S.T. classes are available. They are high stress scenario events for physical and weapon confrontations. IMO, they are good to take to see how you will react under stress. Find one and sign up!!
Keep 'em coming!
I would not have security with a shirt on they need to be undercover plain cloths as not to let anyone outside of the church know who they would be.
The majority of security teams in churches are in plain clothes..... Who has their firearms concealed. This guy was kitted out like he was doing a competition shoot.
1:35 that Jack Bauer/24 ringtone
That was a great video
Thanks
This was amazing
I'm a rabbinical student and this is why I carry during services. Not taking any chances these days.
What is the gear they are wearing and the training weapons they are using?
What happens when the gunman is silent? How about if he never stood up? Lots to think about in this scenarios.
Did you see the video of that exact scenario, guy just came in and shot one guy then was met with 4 other attendees and a security guard with bullets.
There’s always an if, and it’s impossible to predict for every scenario because it’s so dynamic. But there is something you can do to be ready for any scenario if it may arise.
Arm yourself and train
So my question after this scenario, is that security guard always dressed in that attire with that same holster? Because generally the churches I know of that have armed security, are usually in suits.... and have their firearms concealed. Which creates more of a difficulty pulling while dealing with someone in the same situation.
Also, after he eliminated the subject he focused on him instead of potential other threats. Should always do your best to never get tunnel vision.
Some churches have gone to dressing their security in more comfortable clothing to allow them better able to response and to differentiate the good guy from the bad guy(s) in the event of a shoot out. I know one church where they all wear yellow or orange security shirts and yellow or orange caps.
@@briangc1972 yeah but at the end of the day Security in such an environment shouldn't announce themselves until they are needed. Uniformed security is just a way of making security a Target.
@@napalmstickylikeglue I didn't say I supported their decision. I was simply saying that I know of a couple churches where the security are dressed conspicuously and why they made that decision.
@@briangc1972 didn't say you did.. I just stated a fact.
I was so confused for a second, as I thought it was a clip of a real scenario lol
This is great stuff. Do you agree that "profiling" can give you a leg up on a potential shooter? I mean if someone is acting squirrelly, not a regular church goer, is dressed inappropriately, etc.
Who let Dr. Fauci on the set? 2:20
My first thought was the interrupted just wanted to talk and was given permission before the other guy escalated. He drew second.
But my second thought was that maybe his message was actually bullets, and the blocking guy suspected it. The speaker giving permission could be just to avoid anger directed at himself, whereas the body guard was in the right to stop the interrupted and even draw his gun, firing when the interrupted drew his.
Either way, firing was justified once he reached into his pocket.
How did the defender know to act so forcefully so soon? The fact the guy said "that's quite enough of that" instead of just asking permission, and walking forward without permission, likely were the top off. Now articulate that to a jury who sees the guard drawing first even after the speaking agreed to let the other speak.
The biggest flaw in the strategy demonstrated here is the security was sitting in the front row with his back to the entire congregation. Many churches do that. The security should be placed in the last row of seating and in the middle of the seating but along the aisles; generally the side aisles. A gunman is more likely to be seated to one side or the other as opposed to sitting in the middle. He won't choose the middle because he won't want to be surrounded, he will feel trapped. As this gunman showed, he is more likely to not sit up front, but more towards the rear.
Interesting idea about where a mass killer might sit. Your comments certainly make sense. This subject piqued my curiosity, and I hit the web for some quick answers. Sadly seat location is generally not reported, unless you dig into the Court transcripts. This topic of seat location certainly warrants more study. Thanks for bringing it up.
Spread security around the room.
Yes, however you can always have him incognito up front facing the crowd. Because as you saw he was able to stop the shooter from getting closer, now if you have 2 guards then obviously 1 in back and 1 upfront
@@Whiskey5_ He was only successful because the attacker voiced his intentions. Had the attacker actually been an active shooter who already had a drawn weapon, the security dude would have been one of the first casualties. The security dude only prevailed because the attacker was so ridiculously slow drawing his weapon. The problem with these pretend scenarios is that the person playing the role of attacker is not as committed or determined as a real life shooter. The real life shooter typically has practiced with hie weapon and has planned his attack and as a result is much more lethal than the actor.
@@dfl19034 You could ask the investigating law enforcement department for a copy of their final report or ask to speak to the investigators involved. They would have drawings of where the shooter entered, where he sat/stood, where he was first encountered, etc. I think that most simply walked in and started shooting unannounced. Which would make this video useless for training. I know of churches that have received threats and they each have 2 security outside watching the parking areas, one at each entry door, and one or two in the last rows of seating. It is not hard to get 6 volunteers for those jobs. The volunteers take it very seriously, attend training every other month, and consider it a privilege to be chosen to protect their fellow parishioners.
The “Church Of Duty”
Awesome
He just wanted to ask where the bathroom was.
UA-cam hates public safety.
There is an increasing “unease” among people. It’s not constant, it seems to ebb and flow but the general intensity is increasing. It began before covid19 but that certainly is fueling it.
Whether it’s driven by political events, the disconnect in our interactions with others driven by increased use of the damned cell phones/social media or a combination of many factors, here we are.
And it’s going to get worse before any hopes for improvement. We can try to live positively and lead by example, but must always stay vigilant “to defend the good tribe from the forces of evil” to borrow a phrase by Peyton Quinn.
Thanks for your efforts.
The down side to training scenarios like this is you know it’s coming. What if this was real world and the guy going up to the pastor didn’t have a gun and was reaching for his phone or what but the guard/citizen jumped the gun and escalated the situation by intervening too soon and or pulling his gun too soon
How about this scenario when the shooter just walk in with AR 15 and blasting
They all looked jumpy
I enjoy most all the videos. But even going months back, the gun give away is "ending soon." Is this the same give away?
There wasn't any analysis.
Now, if he'd interrupted (it's impolite, not FATAL) & SPOKEN, and guard hadn't closed on him, WOULD he have drawn his gun? AND would shots have been fired? Should EVERY worship-service interruption carry the death penalty? Really?
Man, I really hope churches start to hire professionals to protect their congregations.
Training people who are already congregants would be easier.
They are known to fellow Church-goers & in return,they know their brothers & sisters on Christ so new faces would be obvious.
You always hope that someone you don't know is in Church to refresh their Faith.
I would like to have seen two hands on securities pistol
This is not how this happens tho. Crazy guy has weapon in his hand before he even stands up.
I love how the guy was trying to kill himself and the security guard was like "not on my watch"😂
The armed individuals pulling security shouldn't be in security uniforms. That puts a target on them and makes them visible to the bad guys... They should blend in and 2 should be towards the back and maybe 1 near the front.
You did not have to do it in church
For me this is a defense school
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I'd rather pull my sidearm and be embarrassed later, than not at all.
Honestly, the "guard" should have had his gun out sooner. 🤷
So sad that we have to do this or that such evil has happen, is happening, and sadly will continue to happen in the House of The Lord. But glad that we are, indeed, acknowledging and preparing fo a real event.
That's is awesome security guard at the church service pull out the gun protect and members of the church pastor was preaching all sudden he snapped just a play in real life never met what going through their mind protect and members and staff members world is getting crazy as we speak living in last days of earth's history time of trouble when probation is closed is closed
There's just something I find really funny and ironic about people who think they need to bring a gun into "God's" house
"The high praise of God shall be in their mouth: and two-edged swords in their hands" from Psalm 149.
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It is ironic, but that's what crazy people and terrorists force congregations to do. If this were a synagogue, it wouldn't seem so over the top due to recent attacks.
@@jamesmartin7282 It's just funny that the "active shooter scenario" they choose to make a video on is one occurring inside a church. I'd be much more concerned about one happening in a workplace, shopping center, school, etc, and statistically any of us are far less likely to be involved in one in a church than those other places. USCCA just knows their audience and is appealing to it I guess, while riding the wave from the synagogue attack.
The story seemed best case though. What if 1 person or so was just asking a ? Or maybe a crazy person. The true idiot was waiting for the distraction. That is what I thought. I know rarely is it ever so simple. Maybe pepper spray is all there is. Just before security gets there.
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In real life, you'd be praying that the guy was armed, that you just didn't make a horribly irrevocable mistake.
Just actors acting.
I don't think this is realistic.
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If Somebody says I have had enough and I have something to say people in a real Church environment are not going to start scattering.... They're going to sit and hear what he has to say.
2:06 The security guard pulled out his gun too soon, he could have been reaching for a wallet.
These were my exact same thoughts when I watched this video. Not realistic at all. Plus it was an exercise and they were waiting for it to happen. No way would it happen like this. I’ve seen people stand up in church to voice their question or disagreement to what a pastor is saying just like the guy in the video.
The best way to avoid this is to not go to church. 👍🏻
Been attending churches for a long time and never seen any violence or even outbursts.
How many fires have you been in? Bet that won't stop you from having fire extinguishers or smoke detectors around.
I also have been going to church since my grade school days, I'm going to be 70 in a few weeks, I also have not seen a violent out burst. But I also realize with church shootings and churches becoming soft targets and the anti-christianity that's going on in the world, although sad, it's best to have a plan and be prepared.
@@larryreinke6136 The last book of that Bible is coming more and more true by the minute. Better believe in them Bible “stories “ we living right in the middle of one
@@hiredgun3098 I agree. It seems to be all coming true.
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Acts 8 is a good one, but after this, I think their Thursday night crowd will not be the same. It would have been more interesting to do the end of Acts 7 with Stephen being killed which sets off a chain of events. Just saying. Thanks USCCA!
Does anyone think this scenario is realistic? Also, what if the "bad" guy was just upset and didn't plan on using his gun? The aggressive advance of the guard encouraged him to do so..
Do any churches have armed security?
If you are a bystander, don't confront him as you lose the element of surprise; it becomes a competition of speed.
You confronting the bad guy could also be seen as aggressive and not turn out well in court. They could argue that you triggered the incident. More so if the bad guy lives
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Make sure you protect your soul as well. Repent from your sins and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ for your salvation.
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Not very realistic, bad guy is not going to let you draw your gun first.
That's what I said in another comment: the moment that guy stood up in the middle of a service I would have my sidearm out and aimed. No hesitation. I can always be embarrassed and apologize later, knowing that everyone is alive to hear my apology.
It looks to me like that shot should have been made from retention. He damn near stuck his gun in a guy's face where he could have had it taken away, deflected it or whatever.
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I just watched a security guard kill a man for interrupting and walking up the isle. In the real world he would be jailed for murder. It seems the man in the coat was rude yet possibly defending himself from the cowboy security guard. Very very irresponsible video! Imagine people pulling out guns and blasting every time someone got loud
The shooter disrupted the service, which warrants some sort of confrontation. Then he reached for his weapon before security fired his weapon. Security is there to take control and maintain control. You can’t simply stand by cowardly and wait for it to go too far.
Didn't you see the man draw a gun? If not, you're either dead, wounded or a hostage.
WHAT A JOKE HAHAHAHAHAHA.... so let's really think about this the "shooter" would sit in the middle of the room? wouldint it be more smart to SIT IN THE BACK. i swear these people BARELY think of a scenario like this.. they think "well let's try this and go with it even though we only though about it for 10mins" p.s DISLIKE
Wow. With that attitude karma will take you out!
@@brendanwoerner3352 how lol i prove a point these dumb people think a "shooter" will only think one way.. that is like saying a dirtbike rider only thinks "one way to win a race"
@UCAex92m9sCKqmTxJ5ExyBkg what in the flying hell does that gotta do with this AT ALL. besides for cleaning a gun?
You are more than welcome to post a video of your own that absolutely bedazzles everyone with your clearly superior tactical-training “eKsPurTiSe”🤡... 🙄🙄🙄