Jordan Peterson Responds to Angry Letters from Student Critics
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2018
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I don't know about the honesty of the charges read off those letters, but Jordon could have made a quick point about tribalism vs self determination/ ideology. Instead again...yap, yap, yap, yap, yap......
Sophia - Could you elaborate on the quick point Peterson should have made instead of yap, yap, yapping? If you've got a more concise and enlightening way of expressing the same points Peterson was making I know I'd like to see it. Anyone else?
As usual he went off on a tangent to make his point. A simpler explanation, for example, would be how stereotyping comes into ideology would have been more useful: one cannot politically/ ideologically brand an individual solely based on their opinion of one topic. They must examine the reason behind it. It would have been nice if he directly had addressed those letters in this clip. He dilutes stories to make his points. I cannot to attest to a lot of his opinions as I have not seen a great deal of him on videos. What I have seen I have to say I find maddening at times. Sometimes I think he strays and never returns to the original topic.
Yes, he seemingly strays, but what he tries to do is put things into context. I do wish he would clearly affirm or deny when he closes his responses, whenever a clear declaration is truthfully possible.
Sophia the robot well if you want to explore some of Peterson's best ideas this would be the channel for you. That is to say the clips of his that I have uploaded are what I consider to be some of his best moments and most profound statements. There are a lot of channels that just shotgun blast Peterson into the public sphere. I found this long discussion with questions and answers particularly fruitful for clips but I usually don't cut this many from a single interview. I invite you to go through my Jordan Peterson Genius playlist and see if there's anything in there you find worthwhile.
Anyone describing Peterson as hateful instantly loses any credibility
So says our lord and god Xavier Paquin, whose opinions are as law.
Velth Akabra - More of a reasonable conclusion anyone would come to would they take the time to listen to what the man has to say before passing judgment
Velth Akabra I've never seen someone project how scared they are of a UA-cam comment before.
Joshua McCoskrie I've never seen someone project how scared they are of a UA-cam comment before.
It makes about as much sense for me to say it to you, so why not?
I have taken the time to listen to him, and yet I also know that no one is above reproach, and no one can be dismissed before they're heard out.
3 kinds of Jordan haters.
1.) Have not listened to him or read anything he's written.
2.) Struggle with English comprehension.
3.) Politically motivated liars.
Facts
Absosmurfly
That seems about correct.
3 kinds of Jordan fanboys.
1) Have only listened to HIM and read HIS works, and not a single other work in the field of psychology or philosophy, and are therefore unable to criticize anything he says.
2) Struggle with English comprehension.
3) Politically motivated liars and/or fools.
What they all have in common is a blind faith in everything he does or says, which makes them completely unable to look sceptically at it. Like, anyone (including Peterson fans) could debunk his claims of a "postmodern neo-marxism" as a bogus term, if they actually examined it.
yeah, im sure no one is truthfully opposed to ""your opinion""
Ideology at its finest
you sound like 5:30
He basically called them NPC’s
Hahaha, ouch. That's actually quite a belittling insult, i love it
lol
LOL. I only know one person other than me who would put it that way 😂. I doubt you're him, I mean, what are the odds? It's possible, though, I guess. In any case, props on that 🤜🤛.
@@miguelheat the NPC meme is pretty widespread.
@@northwestpassage6234 yea... I believe you. Still, I don't know personally anyone who would use the initials in this context, other than me and one other person 🤷♂️
The first time I listened to J. Peterson, I was very biased. I believed how people on the left described him (as a hateful person) and so I decided to never listen to him. Then I remember looking for motivational videos on UA-cam when I was having one really bad day and after listening to the first motivational video, Peterson’s video came up next on ‘auto play.’ I genuinely didn’t know it was him cos I wasn’t even looking at my phone screen and then halfway through the video I was like “hold on, who is this man that is speaking so much truth like this?” Long story short, I’ve been listening to him ever since that day and honestly he hasn’t only helped me change my life but he has been instrumental to my growth as a person far more than any other human being in my life for the last couple of months. Anybody that calls this man a hateful person has never listened to him.
wow thats a cool story, really shows how easily we can identify with an idea that is created by the left. Media sure is scary
Too often we gain quick opinions based on little information and decide to immediately boycott. We're all guilty of it to some degree including myself. Anyone that can allow themselves enlightenment though, regardless of their current view is a well rounded person. You sir are a critical thinker and we need more people to open their minds and their ears as you did.
Wait a minute, you heard a story, you believed it, you believed it without any prejudice, believed your heart’s judgment down to the core, and then avoided digging deeper, and straight to hate or avoided him? It never occurred to you, that way of thinking is wrong on so many levels in the first place?
You're not welcome here, ex leftie. Go wherever the hell misfits like you go, we don't accept totalitarian people like you. Leftism is mind cancer.
Love to hear that! It’s exactly the same for me, I was in a really very very very dark place. One I wasn’t sure I’d ever get out of. But I’ve been listening to Peterson, the message he has conveyed, especially the biblical stories have been a miraculous light that once was so prominent in my life, and in those darkest moments that light was flickering. I took to the Bible to read myself, understand Peterson the best I can, and put my attention outwards, to really watch the world and watch how I am in the world. It’s like I can see again. I actually laughed at the mirror because I was enjoying my time with myself. My eyes lit up. I know I’ll have bad and good days, but I’m on the path now, if it weren’t for the chaos we’ve been in politically, I’d have never gotten here the way I did. Bless this man, fuck off haters my story is true and transcends me.
1:04 _”Jordan Peterson is known for...denouncing...claiming ...arguing...”_
My goodness, I hadn’t realized it was that bad. Someone needs to stop this guy before he starts implying, refuting, or, heaven help us, concluding.
Baked Utah just look at this guy! He is clearly a skinhead and "thug life"! Just look how aggressive he is!
LOL... very witty reply! Thanks, Baked Utah.
Johnny The Dark, thank you! A skinhead! I *knew* I recognized that crazy wide-eyed look, but his hair disguise must have been confusing me. OK, good, this is fun - now do Milo. There’s something sinister but familiar but him too, no? It’s a kinda Tom Hiddleston as Loki, meets Glen Close as Cruella de Vil, meets Charlize Theron as Ravenna. Hmm - I may just have described Margaret Thatcher in her younger years 😳. If so, I suspect Milo would be proud, and the left should be very afraid!
Thats not bad but Alex Wagner is looking for her son.
MFJon777: Whu?
The far left hates Peterson because he in a few short months he managed to do what they could not. Speak enough sense to get people to listen.
So true! and that call out from non sense to reason had been longed for many of those who still have left a drop of common sense. His detractors, very likely have not bothered to learn or enter the heart of JBP´s message. See it every day, they blindly follow the thump of the drum.
The only replay the so called left had to refute Peterson's clams it to call him names.
presumably you are using left or far left as a synonym for I-don't-like it, else you would be able to say what you mean by left or far left, and I shrewdly suspect that you cannot define either term,but not to worry, neither can I;I recognise something I don't like and one synonym is as good as another when it comes to that.
you would presume incorrectly. I use far left vs left to make a distinction that not all individuals left of center are sympathetic to the views of post modernism.
He's also the responsible and encouraging parent SJWs never had. No wonder they hate him and are resentful of his existence, he's everything they wish they had growing up.
"A degree in clinical psychology"
*Cough* *Cough*
A Ph.D in Clinical Psychology, author of a best selling book, proffessor of psychology and practising clinician for 25 years.
ItZAllAI lol forealz.... but we should take this student with no degree’s word for it
Psychonaut ok Cain
Psychonaut and now ur an insecure 41 year old responding to anonymous UA-cam comments resentful af. Get some help dude.
..yeah... But what does he know..
Dont worry the campus psychology department knows best!
While the students' letters were being read I realized that emptiness has never been so full of words.
Just think, that email is what passes for "education" these days. Is that not pathetic? So many words to say nothing.
Just goes to show the true lack of abstract comprehension and critical thinking skills if you ask me! People on the left just recite what they've heard over and over again but each time they scream it louder to "get their point across" lmao. This left wing poison is what our schools are "teaching" (brainwashing/ indoctrinating) our youth with these days! So sad!!!
Sound and fury signifying nothing.
Shakespeare
Reading their letters = mouth noise.
I watched some movies made of Samuel Beckett's plays.
My conclusion from watching them is that the more one is full of emptiness, the more one tries to fill up that emptiness with words.
Or beer 🍻 or cigarettes or recreational drugs or any other addiction.
You can carbon date the Peterson talks by the size of his beard.
This comment was made by, I dare say, an archetypal hero who cleans his room religiously.
Haha this is great 👍
Evan Rose i
And the fit and style of his suits 👌🏻
You can carbon date Peterson's talks by the level out outage they attract. Notice the exponential relationship.
Whether you agree with Peterson or not, I don't see how anyone could call him hateful.
Chris Grady Yes, I don't understand it...he is an utterly reasonable, kind and obviously well-meaning person...not hateable at all. I feel like his opposers sense his goodness and it angers them.
Well he gave you the answer to your question in this very video.
The radical lefts (and this is a case for all or most radical believe systems) have no and believe in no spectrum of the believsystem itself.
You are either with them completely or you are against them.
Since they do no believe in a spectrum, the second they think you are their enemy they place you on the same level as the far right.
You can see this clearly with Lindsay Shepherd. She was obviously far to the left but the moment she doubted tiny bit of the extreme leftist agenda she was marked as an enemy and placed on the right side of the spectrum.
This I believe is the very reason Peterson fights them so hard and does not say "ah just call them by the names they want" "ahh just play along to not get under the wheels".
He knows that extremists have no reason and cannot accept any compromise. They will not be content with anything else but a total victory.
If you play along with them you can only lose but never win since you will never gain a compromise with them. Its like you say to them "Ok I accept a part of your agenda would you consider accepting part of mine so we are equal?" and they say "No we wont. That you accepted a part shows only that we were right."
Quite easily if you regard him as a heretic which the do
They are politically charged liars
I do. Wait. What's this crank doing on the side of my head?
My new comeback to a tirade of insults: "Well, that was predictable".
_It's all so tiresome._
assertive trolling...pisses off the hypocrites like none other but its absolutely hilarious because as soon as they realize what they walk into and cant take it back, they already proved your point.
From JP the most predictable tiresome self obsessed right winger. The Trump for the pseudo intellectual.
His response was even more predictable. Why people think this man is profound is beyond me.
@@perrycummins2717 well if you don't think Mr Peterson is profound in the least, and you apparently disagree with his opinions, why the hell are you here? Comprehending people like you that troll videos you seem to wholeheartedly disagree with is beyond me sir..
PS Might I point out that most of his opinions are backed by scientific fact? You're like a flatearther on a Niel DeGrass Tyson video lol!
I wish people would understand that "I hate it" doesn't mean "It's hatespeech".
@Jackal's Gate Yeah, that might have been good to remember post 60s.
Unfortunately, they're right tho. That's what is so concerning about the latest additions to hate speech laws, and why some have never liked them in the first place. Any type of language you don't like can be tantamount to breaking some hate speech law in some context or other. There are professional victims (and I mean litreally) who spend their time suing random women on twitter for stating they believe men and women are of the opposite sex because that sort of belief is hatespeech and transphobic to any random trans person on twitter who deems it such. It's why you see so many random activists on the extreme left argue about speech causing psychological trauma and that those who say things that are not deemed PC now are literally causing violence and suicide onto others with their words.
i believe i am far to the right of everyone. however i liked a dog once, once. do i hate everyone, nope but the number grows.
American dogma ideologies are so weird! I'm a Malaysian Muslim and I don't find or like African/black women as my type when it comes to relationship, I prefer the same ethnic as myself South East Asian women or Mediterranean. does that mean i 'hate' the ethnic of that particular group of women? Nope.
Do I've the right to have a preference on who I wanna date or be in a relationship with? Yes.
Is America insane trying to import this way of thinking to the world? Yes.
Am I suprised as a non-American? Not one bit.
This applies the same to those who are the ethnic of European/Westerners that prefers to date themselves. Is it wrong? Not one bit. Does America social groups makes it to be a 'racist', 'hate', or 'prejudice' choice? You betcha.
@@aizac91 I agree with practicality everything you stated except you grouping "American ideologies" as if all of America thinks as such. I'm American and don't wish to date anyone other than women of like descent. This is an opinion shared by most Americans as seen by the fact that most people in America date and marry others like them. No, that's not racist it's simple human nature. Sadly around the world it seems that our minorities have the biggest voices. But they do not represent America, period.
Another great example of this misnomer is that most people outside the US think most Americans are fat and unhealthy. We have the highest ratio no doubt. However most people in America are not obese lol. I'm 5'8" and weigh 135 lbs. But when I'm involved in a heated debate with a foreigner their go-to insult seems to be called me a fat lazy American lol. So yeah, grouping everyone in a country with a population of 350 million isn't very intuitive to say the least.
Jordan Peterson cured my depression and social anxiety. He saves my life.
Black Phillip how?
@@Epicazn100 wisdom
@curve your toes Christians People save.
he does not save you life or did save it, nobody can save a life. all we can do is prolong it, but you will die, thats certain
He didn’t save your life - he gave you the tools and wisdom to save your own. Glad to hear it.
Peterson is not scared to be criticized.
If you approach anything with the idea that you could be wrong and you're open to learn new things, then criticism, that has a sound basis, is enlightening.
triple swing knowing how many people are inspired by him to be responsible and brave, for him, even if it was just a couple of persons, his job is done. Cuz he never destroys people or puts them down, he just offers solutions and visions to balance society.
Chip yard And criticism without a sound basis is moot.
He takes his responsibility to teach seriously ....
@@atomsk1972 I'm sure Jordan does that all the time
People talking here about how Prof. Peterson helped them so I'd thought I share my story as well:
In 8th grade 'ethics' class (Germany) I was taught that we shouldn't judge another culture by our (western) standards, i.e. moral relativism.
I remember the example on which our teacher expanded this dogma like it was yesterday: She showed us parts of the (then relatively new movie) 'Desert Flower' which was a biography on Waris Dirie, a Somalian woman that was horribly abused and had her genitalia mutilated as a child in the worst conditions imaginable. IIRC, they used the shard of a broken coke bottle to cut her. The teacher then asked us utterly terrified kids whether we think what had happened to her was bad. Obviously, we all agreed wholeheartedly. Yet she said it was only our western believes that led us to that judgment, showed clips of Somalian people defending the mutilation as 'tradition' an whatnot and basically made it clear to us that it was just arbitrary happenstance that we were born and raised in Germany in this age so that we adopted this set of values and believes and it would be wrong of us force our judgments on other cultures.
Over the course of years, this moral relativism was constantly reinforced in school and I would scoff at my father who proposed there were objectively good values. I thought he was old-fashioned and stuck inside his basic belief system.
In consequent years this lesson made me think "If I can't even say the mutilation of a helpless girl is bad, then what the hell is even 'bad'? And if nothing's bad, what even is good?" This line of thought eventually ruined my perception. I proudly called myself a Nihilist. It was not until Prof. Peterson convinced me over dozens of hours that, even though science can't prove it, we all have to believe in something or else we'd had no motivation to continue struggling in this world.
In hindsight, it feels like this man has pulled me out of an abyss. The political stuff, transgender issues, and everything was just the medium through which his wisdom was conveyed to me. I never perceived this man as political. I sometimes wish that I could just tell him that no matter how intelligent he is he wouldn't be able to understand the sheer vastness of the service he has done to a generation of aimless young men and women.
I get you. Exactly right. You are not alone.
As someone who was brought up in an Islamic society and had to believe an absolute, unchangeable set of values, its interesting to watch Westerners face the opposite end of problems. Lack of fluidity or too much of it, when it comes to morality, are both problems we need to look out for.
I dont think is that there is not values or good pr bad, i think instinctivly we have it, however until we understand their realities we could see a clever bad or good, but i do believe there is something else
holy cow I've gone through the exact same process that u went through. As a kid, i was raised in a way that encouraged me to think of the society as nothing but harshness and deception, but then as i grew up I started to realize not everything works that way and it was either me or my parents or the whole world was wrong. And then there were also some events that i couldn't remember since it happened when i was around 8 years old (but it probably similar to yours) that made me consider the fact that right and wrong is relative and nothing rly matters. I was pulled too deep into that strain of thought that my late-teenage years can often be marked with blank night thinking about what rly is "right" and "wrong" and why should i even hold on to this horrible meaningless world. I then tried to study philosophic idea of existentialism and stuff to try validating my life but the idea of nihilism was too compelling to me that my depression got worse and worse.
Welp, now all i can say is that I am rly thankful for Prof. Peterson works and that I have the chance to access his brilliance. It rly did save my life, in a literal way.
@@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114 I can't deny it, in fact I'm inclined to agree though I think the term 'Aryan guilt' might be misleading. If I had to pick one defining future in German culture, it would be collective guilt without a doubt. Not responsibility, but guilt. To me, it was always relatively obvious since I was raised in a migrant household that didn't share this values but my other german friends have a hard time accepting this.
Anyone who says that Peterson is "hateful" is detached from reality. These people need to learn difference between having different opinion and to hate something/somebody.
Summary: An extremist always assumes opposition is of the opposite extreme; they cannot conceive of moderation.
Who are you referring to? No clarity, no sincerity, not worth listening to vague comments like this.
The comment isn't vague and makes perfect sense and in my view it is a largely correct summary of what Peterson said. The far left extremists assume that anyone opposing their far left ideology is of the opposite extreme, i.e. they are extreme far _right_ extremists. Well, "assume" might not be the best word, for I believe they _know_ that Peterson isn't really a far right extremist, but it suits their agenda, which is to silence him or have others ignore what he says. They cannot, nor will not tolerate the idea of moderation (middle ground), i.e. that a person can be moderate (not extremist), but still in opposition, because it denies them the scope to falsely accuse him or pigeonhole him as a far right extremist. At the end of the day, "CornerTalker" garnered 14 thumbs up and you received just 1, probably your own. If this was a poll, you would be the loser. OK?
oldnikonian. I loved your response, which I found clear and accurate up to the point which ends in the word extremist, however, you lost all the respect you had earned in my sight when you started berating me. I was not there to win anything, I just expressed my opinion, probably not perfect as I sincerely and probably did not grasp in its totality what CornerTalker meant. Sad to see that your heart (your dismissive last words) contradict your sensible thoughts in which you say that the leftist "cannot.. conceive moderation". You need to work in your soul as you appear to be, in the end, mean hearted and practice the deplorable sport of "pigeonholer" and the tactics that the leftist use of accusing people to suit your agenda. Another thing that robs you of the respect your first words deserve, is the cowardice and shadiness of not using your own name to attack like a murderer in the night. The greatest psychiatrist of the last century said that evil thrives in secrecy, therefore, no good thing can come from someone who hides under a pseudonym.
Maria E.S Quintanar, why don't you run along and apply that over dramatic, over the top, verbal diatribe to the post of yours that I was replying to, for I was nowhere near as scathing to you as you were to the original poster, CornerTalker.
You didn't seem adverse to laying into him/her so rudely and dismissively when you could have been mature, engaged with him/her and politely asked for clarification with regards to what he/she said if you were struggling to understand it's merit. If you want to be treated like an adult, grow up and behave like one. Don't treat people like crap and expect to be treated with velvet gloves yourself.
And there was nothing wrong with his/her comment, so your unwarranted, rude and abrupt appraisal was wrong, as I ably demonstrated and you have now admitted yourself. Then I merely pointed out the truth that there was a lot of support for his comment and negligible support for yours, and that's it, but of course had to have a little tantrum.
Oh and why did you ask who CornerTalker was referring to when he/she was clearly referring to extremists, no particular brand of extremists, i.e. left or right, but extremists of any kind, because no kind was specified.
If you couldn't understand the simplicity of that, then it's not surprising that you had a gargantuan struggle trying and comprehend his/her overall point.
I suppose that truth will incur your wrath now.
Thank you oldnikonian for devoting so much time to such a loser
LOL. Whoever wrote that first letter is so lost...
Zuby ABSOLUTELY!
not lol, not lol
It's probably Cathy Newman
They're all lost
‘Lost boys’ describes a lot of the depressed peter pans society has made, and JP is trying to save!
It’s not their campus. And if they do not like a speaker, don’t go to listen to the speaker.
B-but words are dangerous
@@MsZsc Indeed they are. They can be a hammer, a sword, or an axe. Choose thy weapon wisely.
But if they dont like a speaker, then nobody should be able to hear them
@@TheNomad2727 Not quite. If students don't like a speaker that's coming to their campus, they are under no obligation to hear them speak. However, that does not mean that the speaker shouldn't come at all. There would also be students who DO want to hear them.
@@SamaritanPrime I was being sarcasic. Ive noticed if students dont like a speaker, they either try to get them cancelled or protest the event to try to stop it
I instantly lose my ability to take someone seriously once they call Jordan a racist
I find Jordan Peterson absolutely fascinating, enlightening and stimulating. I am a 72 year old and I wish I’d understood even a fraction of what he explains, when in my 20s. What a help it would have been.
Neil Collins well, I have you beat. I’m 78 and wish my ears had heard even part of what he says. He is brilliant and he is changing and verifying me right now. Amen to this man.
I know what you mean. I was left on my own around 16 and i barely start to get it together now, pushing 40..
Many were like me, and i fear even more today.
seeing you guys makes my a heart a bit happier as ive turned 18 now and after listening to his lectures and reading his book (still in process) I've already labeled his as my ideal it's so nice to see wise aged people like you guys appreciating him and motivating young men like me to listen And believe in what he says thank you 🙏🏿♥️
@michael Dinneweth I will sir thank you have a great life ♥️
I can relate to the statement "I wish I'd understood even a raction of what he explains". To me, that means he isn't explaining his ideas very well.
Peterson is poplular because he speaks plainly AND brilliantly. And it's not just his words but also how he delivers them...I genuflect in his general direction!
Lex, there's a video out there titled "Jordan Peterson - the Stupid persons Smart Man" or something like that. I haven't watched it. However, it's right. He is both the intelligent and the stupid mans smart guy. Just that stupid people don't get it, so they get mad & make videos like the aforementioned. (Can't read & the pictures make them mad.)
There's actually countless videos or clips of very educated people saying things like "If you understand what he's talking about, it's mind boggling, and if you don't you will" that you just don't hear said about anyone else. Left, right, snowball or taco stand it's hard not to respect a guy like that.
Even Einstein says. If you cannot explain it to a 6 year old, you do not understand it yourself.
gardener Spot ON.
You're clearly on the payroll of some radical leftist organization which loves to defame people. Peterson is, in fact, one of the most precise public speakers out there and he makes it a point to be precise.
“Wildly unsubstantiated claims”
*doesnt list claims*
This clip might be cut too short
MrZsc full conversation is in the bio, I don’t recall any context being lost.
I didnt spot that irony until I read your comment 😊
They also claim that Peterson "misgenders" students, yet he has stated multiple times that he, in fact, specifically refers to (his) students with their preferred pronouns, but whatever.
@@oz_jones yep. Theres a clip of him saying that if a student wants to be reffered to as she/her he'd do it
Just because your parents send you to college. Just because you have a scholarship. This doesn't mean you have a clue what your talking about.
I hate to be that guy but “you’re*”
Other than that i agree wholeheartedly 😂
@@antibull4869 he didn't listen 😔
I've been saying it forever - once you get to know them, everyone's weird.
Truest thing I've heard this week
I love how people have come to understand this. I was just thinking about this today - You just can not realize the enormous magnitude of how different people's lives are.
I always did think I was weird
Once I realized that everyone is insane, it made dealing with people much easier.
Eoval - No. Even Peterson is wrong to some extent in the wording used in this video.
Normality is the state of the majority, if everyone is weird, then no one is weird because it would be the state of normality.
'The exception which proves the rule.' Will always apply when dealing with animals. Yeah, we all have our oddities between individuals, but when the group becomes larger you'll realise that many within that group fit together nicely.
"...the chattering buzz of ideologically possessed demons..." JBP Don't you just love it??!!
jjroseknows777 this line got me too! He's a living legend, so glad someone is finally saying on the global stage what we've all been thinking
Are you joking... You, as well as Peterson, have reduced people to "ideologically possessed demons", it's as if you've never heard of 'Othering'.
He's a pompous git. The Kanye West of the academic world. You may like his verbal masturbation of words but what a shame the guy is full of nothing but glib ideas, self indulgent rants and sweeping generalisations. Sorry, just giving another point of view.
danzigvssartre have you ever actually listened to his lectures? Or do you just listen to the inner commentary inside your own head whilst he's talking?
It's worth investigating that..
Your comment is coming from the same place of ignorant certainty as the person who wrote the letter in this video..
It's okay to disagree with his ideas, but you cant seem to get pass personal insults, and you also are guilty of the very thing you accuse him of, your comment is a vast generalisation of another human being, a human being you accuse of making vast generalisations, the irony is delicious lol.
But your comment says more about you than it does Peterson. You seem deeply reluctant to engage with the topics he talks about, is it because they are painful? I'm sorry but the response you gave just highlights what a shallow level you're taking this all on, it's like someone saying of Shakespeare "he's just a pompous old romantic idiot who thought he knew what love and tragedy were"
Yeah um Shakespeare's works have a bit more clout behind them than you do, whether you like it or not bucko.
Sorry but Peterson's body of work and thought trump your nasty little knee-jerk reaction. He's got a million subscribers, thousands of hours of lectures, 2 books. Where can we find your work?
I hate to say it bud but I think he has a lot more credibility than you, so maybe it's worth actually engaging with the issues instead of rejecting them, you might learn something.
I've watched way more of Peterson then I care to admit. Mostly, because he is making crude generalisations about race and IQ which "his millions of followers" blindly believe. Of course, if Peterson spoke without hyperbole on the subject of race and IQ he would not have millions of followers because they would realise the subject is complex, difficult to interpret and summarise, and without any clear conclusions. Instead there are now a plethora of people infecting the internet with simplistic garbage about black people being born stupid and asians and Jews being born super smart. Then there is his pathetic war on women with left wing social post-modernist views. He rallies against them as if was fighting a war against tyranny. In reality, I suspect (yes, I may be wrong but...) he is fighting a war against the lefty women who work in the Sociology department of his university. Maybe one of them insulted one of his papers at a academic conference? Tiresome. I feel sorry for the poor students who sit through his lectures. He often goes one subject loosely to another, completely unprepared, with numerous references to his personal life (self-indulgent?)..."I was in a park with my daughter when..." Is that what university students are getting themselves in to debt for? Where are his detailed references to our psychological theories that don't fit into his own worldview? Some of my comments here are full of rhetoric (this is UA-cam) but importantly, his views on race and IQ are frankly stupid and I would encourage people not to listen to him on the subject and go and read actual research on the data for themselves. It's hard for most people to read and properly understand journal articles but it is better to do your own research and discover how little one truly understands, then watch an hour of Peterson and think one is now wiser and smarter.
Everytime he opens his mouth, so much unexpected wisdom in the most simple words flows out. This man is incredible.
Good for you Jordan! As a sociologist, I find that if someone really wants to understand your point of view, words like left and right will never come up as you spoke of, but also, people who are seeking understanding ask very specific and answerable questions that you can not only explain, but even explain in scientific or psychological terms. Rather than blasting you on something that doesn't seem "right" to me, I would ask how your particular idea or view fits into a healthy currently known model of scientific understanding. That way, not only do we connect and build a bridge, but we also put another piece of truth's puzzle into place. In doing so together, we might also find out where our blind spots are, as well. Now, from my point of view - that's how we relate and grow closer together at the same time, regardless of our views. Relating isn't like winning a chess match. It's how we move together through "our" understanding, where "we" win the enjoyment of a time, well spent.
This is why we love Peterson!
It hurt me hearing the interviewer read all that crap about Jordan Peterson.
Yep. It would've been better if they'd read a question from someone that actually had something they wanted to discuss, instead of a bunch of regurgitated drivel that simply drags on with accusations without really wanting a legitimate answer or proposing a specific point to discuss. It's not a Facebook chatroom, it's an opportunity to learn from someone with the understanding and the strength of will to stand up to the government when it oversteps its proper bounds and purpose.
@@josephbarnes2681 then read the description
@@ianmacdonald4163 Literally no one reads descriptions.
@@thisiswhatilike54 which is why I told him to
How could anyone dislike or fail to reserve their highest respect for Jordan Peterson?
I love his response. "This is not a person, this is an ideology."
They're just regurgitating generic leftist talking points, no amount of personal analysis is present.
Hate to swing the cudgel of "both sides" but literally every comment section for this man's videos amounts to the same remark you made. Hive mind is a phrase I see mentioned over and over and over. "The leftist hive mind." But if a hive mind is sharing the same beliefs or using the same phrasing or repeating talking points...what EXACTLY is the right?
@@VisonsofFalseTruths See my thingy cos it didnt tag you.
@@VisonsofFalseTruths I think people on the extreme ends usually tent to be this way I guess, doesn't matter if it is in the extreme right or left. One example I can think of is, when someone tries to defend a person who is accused of a wrong doing, to a person who is extreme in terms of imparting his values on to others, then most likely the latter will accuse the defendant of being an accomplice without any rational consideration. Because otherwise it simply means that there are some problem in their values, which is something people on the far end of anything has a tough time considering.
2:28 the "chattering buzz of ideologically possessed demons" with this one statement Peterson has just summed up the ENTIRE far left movement to perfection.
He's not even a Christian, but he can still see the demons in that thing.
@Jack Emerald city sider Yeah, he's not even conservative. Equality isn't a conservative issue. We shouldn't need to tilt the odds in one genders favor. We just need to balance the scales.
It's a bit like the UK Labour Parties 2019 election defeat. Their attitude is "We said everything right...why didn't they vote for us ?". They can't accept that what they said may not have been "right".
@@zhouwu He is a christian
@@Speckhuggarn I think he likes the Bible. But I'm not sure he took the step of faith. But that's just me.
"People don't have ideas. Ideas have people."
He says that Carl Jung said that, but Jung actually never said that. He may have perhaps implied it through his work, but he never outright said it. It's more so an interpretation and discovering from Jordan Peterson himself. Peterson needs to make that quote his own. Many years down the line, we'll be quoting him just like how we quote previous philosophers.
"People don't have ideas. Ideas have people."
- Jordan Peterson
That is yours!
"Man believes indeed that he moulds those (intelectual) ideias, but in reality they mould him and make him their unwitting mouthpiece"
Book: Modern Man In Search for a Soul
Author: Carl G. Jung
Editor: Harcourt Inc.
Page: 42
Paragraph: 2nd
Sentence: the last one
Here. Have a cookie.
Gustavo Alexandre Souza Mello Thank you very much
Gustavo Alexandre Souza Mello nice job friend
@@gustavoalexandresouzamello715 MVP
Oh remember the time when Peterson said he didn’t like Nazis?
Nazis are so offended and are hysterically cancelling people everywhere to this day.
God, I love Jordan Peterson. What a brilliant and thoughtful man. I hope these students wake up and open their eyes one day. The dissonance they are going to experience is not going to be something worth envying, thats for certain.
I find Peterson amazing because many of the scenarios he has mentioned in his videos I have seen for real acted out in real life. I particularly like the way he actually listens to other people too even if they are complete idiots.
I don't understand how such straight forward, & self afirming suggestions such as Take responsibility for your life, and stop being a victim, can be seen as hate speech. It's common sense, and if more disenchanted, young people heard it, it may help them down a good path of life. Only anger and hate leads to the dark side!
"The stuff of great novels."
-Jordan Peterson complimenting those who insult him
@0x4A616B7562
Indeed ...
In fact people's lives _are_ the stuff of great novels, in that many have been through trials, and tribulations, that only they know. As Dr. Peterson said, there is the façade of ordinary-ness, but beyond that, are people whom live lives worthy of Euripides and Shakespeare ...
If the writer of the first letter ever got a chance to spend a couple, or so, hours with Dr. Peterson, maybe a greater truth will come out: they may suffer from an immense disconnect with their parents; that they may have bullied throughout their entire childhood; what potential they may have had ignored by a succession of teachers; and much else besides. They're angry, and upset, and haunted, but perhaps the only way they can vent all of that, at least in the milieu they're in, is because of their --- almost inevitable -- ideological possession, is to crank of that dumb invictive, instead having someone asking them "what the hell is going on with you ...?", in a compassionate, empathic, but damn forthright way ... it reminds me of the title of that utterly bleak syfy story: I have no mouth, but I must scream ...
This is, perhaps the most stupid thing about identitarians, on both the left, and right, but notably the left: they care so much about the collectives of identities, that they really tend, and all too often, neglect the actual individual at the bottom of it all. Granted, they have a habiti of feeding into a individual's narcissistic behaviours, but, for people whom are genuinely hurting, they offer nothing meaningful, when what is needed is the psychological, and even psychiatric, equivalent of a compassionate, but highly skilled surgeon, to go in, and remove the cancers that is destroying them.
Perhaps I am just too compassionate, too caring, and have too much empathy for those whose lives are in utter turmoil, and chaos. I wish I have answers to those in that much mental pain ...
But what I will never stand for is the utterances of teachers, from Junior School, to Postdoctoral level, whom hoist their own idealogical possession onto young minds, as it suits a certain poltical agenda, promulgated by the staff and administration, as high up as the President (or equivalent thereof) of that school, and the Board in charge of it ... for to use that worn out cliché, they truly have become that they sought to destroy, and are themselves determinedly destructive ...
Anyone hating Jordan Peterson has absolutely no potential for logical thinking
I don't think that's true.
There's a perfectly logical explanation for hating Jordan Peterson; it's because he can think logically. Therefor, the best place for his critics to attack his position from is in a realm that's not in his home court, so to speak. For a malicious liar, the first person you need to take down are those who are willing to stand for truth. It's their only play in the book.
- If you want to discredit a police officer, tell people he breaks the law.
- If you want to discredit a parent, tell people that they're a child molester.
- If you want to discredit an professor, tell people that they're don't know what they're talking about.
They played this game in Elementary School. Some never grew out of it.
@@ladymercy5275 Well said.
logic can vary per person. it's more a lack of common sense
Headline the following day: "Jordan Peterson calls students who disagree with him 'demons'"
Yesterday over Skype I started telling one of my kids (21 y.o.) about Dr. Peterson. As I said his name my kid said "ah, yes, that friend of Alex Jones". I was so shocked I couldn't go on and stopped the conversation. This is how the media present people who don't agree with their leftist globalist political agenda, this is how our kids are beeing lied to and endoctrinated. It is so sad. Long live Dr. Peterson's ideas and his well balanced mind!
Alex Jones might be full of shit and insane, but he's very entertaining and intelligent. You should see his podcast with Joe Rogan
Dominique Charriere my 23 year old daughter has started listening to JP because I wanted to get to know who this maligned man was. So she came on board with me about how brilliant he was. She has a very far left friend who berated her in front of her far left parents for defending JP....it was a full on massacre of my daughter and she came away feeling destroyed but mostly really angry. She has dropped this friend, who btw is biracial and refers to my daughter as that privileged white girl....yet she claims that society is racist and she couldn’t be a racist as a biracial woman. This same family told my daughter that her full ride scholarship into engineering was far easier than a liberal arts student receiving a scholarship.....these people are skewed and full of victim hood syndrome.....My daughter is brilliant, hard working and empathetic...traits solely lacking on the left it seems. They also tried to point out that engineering should be listed as a trade not a STEM. The left have somehow lost their way and this generation of college students have been so badly misled.
@Dominique Charriere I hope you gave your kid a good talking too. No one’s too old to be taught or to learn.
You shouldn’t of stopped the conversation.
@@cynthiacools-lartigue5297 "...engineering should be listed as a trade and not a STEM..."???
Please tell your daughter to dissociate completely from incredibly ignorant people.
Love, love, love this man and his LOGIC
JP always classy, poised and logical in the face of any adversity. Much respect.
I mentioned to my esteemed "educator" cousin, JBP's name in an email, indicating his similar position about Holocaust victims and guards. We are both approaching our seventh decade. She has since ceased all contact, believing I am Alt-Right!
I published a clip where Peterson lays out a pretty good argument for the statistical probability that most folk alive today in our society would have become Nazis in Germany. People don't want to hear that - everyone believes they would be the one to save Anne Frank. You don't know until you face it yourself - that is the true test of character, and it may mean giving up your life or endangering your own family to fight against an evil ideology like Nazism.
I will be 76 later this month. Your "educator" cousin is not a truth seeker and needs to read more. He could start with the Stanley Milgram experiment, and also the book Ordinary Men by Christopher R. Browning. Peterson is correct about human nature.
Patrick Gruber: "She" is well-read enough on those subjects, in her perceptions, and already made assumptions based upon snippets about JBP,, plus from like-minded professorial elitist peers (Elitist, unbeknownst to them, for they too are actually "good" people of action). We are not talking about extreme Leftists here, mind you. She has received grants from Left-leaning organizations that appear to do well for minorities, although the website syllabus begins, to paraphrase, with "Diversity and Equality of Outcome." Why would she read something from a person with whom when has lost respect; once assumed I was Liberal? Many of my friends are shocked, years later, to find I am not "one of them." I am a Libertarian, with a touch of Hawk. They confuse my kindness with weakness of thought as a free minded individual. Don't get me wrong; she is a wonderful person in many ways. Her brother, an attorney, thinks I am Alt-right since I mentioned my active punditry against "traitor" James Comey, from his first odd behavior. Oh well. SAD.
Patrick Gruber it's funny you say that because it's been a while since I've done a long form original content video and I believe that the topic I will do next is the Milgram experiment and how it relates to many of the points and arguments Peterson makes about human nature.
tmcleanful: Electric shocks are not my thing. LOL. But I'd be interested in what you conclude or add to the experiment. People are pain adverse, fer sure! What they will or will not do is rather deopressing. Peer pressure and survival instincts quickly kick in.
The second letter doesn't take into effect that Milo is a provocateur, he never leaves you with any substance to think on, while Peterson places an idea that he makes you choose to think on. You come to Milo for entertainment. You come to Peterson for knowledge. It's like comparing a politically active TV show host and a socialist scholar. One is going to be entertaining or annoying to watch, the other leaves an idea.
TheMilitantHorse: you nailed it!
Well it's part of Milo's brand to be outrageous and stir up things. You can't really take Milo seriously as that's his goal, and the hate he receives for it is basically the response he aims for. So the guy writing that letter really doesn't have a clue.
@The Dracobirthstonian I think what I meant to say is Milo has a brand. He markets himself and acts controversial on purpose. I can't really see how some people take someone like Milo so seriously that they protest their existence. Milo is a shit disturber and proud of it. It's what he does.
Generally true but I also learn alot from Milo.He just provokes you to thought from a different direction.
Milo has a long way to go. Totally up himself. Knows he’s smart, but clearly worships his own intellect more than uses it to help. What else is genius for, but to better the world?? I am excited for when Milo has more mileage on earth.
I Just Love, admire and have tons of respect for people who ve the Courage to Dare to be different. Who aren't predictable n not intimidated no matter the pressure. U have really touched me and given me courage to see pepo like u r still around.
Imagine accusing Jordan of making "unsubstantiated claims" based on completely unsubstantiated claims.
I like how the first letter supports silencing people who has an opinion the author doesn't like. People like that are why we can't have nice things.
They also try to drag the psychology department into it with confidence they share their group-thinking mindset. I've met psychology majors...they are not very smart which is incredibly frightening to me as these are the kind of people who often attempt to "fix" others.
I listen to Jordan Peterson speak and I find myself mesmerized by his genius! I love this dude!
Peterson is one of the best among us. I have listened to few that are so brutally self-critical. He's brilliant, informed, and backs everything up with data that crosses educational/philosophical lines. He is able to back up his claims with multiple sources. This is untrue of *most* relatively recent (starting with Engels and Marx) far left viewpoints. The ideas crumble under any scrunity. Many hate what they they are unable to defend against.
I got onto Peterson by accident a few years ago and within two weeks I wasnt thinking the same way anymore. You are going to feel smarter, if thats a way of putting it. I cant remember every specific idea he has talked about but how I approach listening to others and how I think has changed a lot. I can say he saved me. He is lightyears ahead of others.
Can we have honest disagreement and respect one another’s opponent? It’s called class and it seems like these individuals, who made these comments, need to be taught it.
I love a reasonable man... Peterson, you are special.
The only possible reason for someone to fully listen to Peterson and become either enraged or offended is some level of ignorance or stupidity.
" it's the chattering buzz of idealogically possessed demons" a truly brilliant point! JP is awesome!!
Jordan, thanks for speaking truth to Political Correctness.
What you call political correctness is in fact the religion modernism, a religion being: any set of related undoubted beliefs assumptions presumptions and norms, he calls it post-modernism and an ideology but in fact it is nothing more or less than a religion and the religion I identify as modernism because it is based entirely on fashion see the French word for fashion "mode". Quite a lot of people confuse religion with some sort of necessary implied belief in the Mr God fantasy but it is entirely unnecessary since there are plenty religions socialism and wimminism sometimes called feminism and also anthropogenic global warming_ism, all of which are religions but none of which make any particular reference to the Mr God fantasy, so you can quite easily have a religion without any necessary implication or association with or of the Mr God fantasy - all you need to do is believe or fervently believe and fervently believe in, and have various sacred cows and regard those who don't agree with you as heretics, whereupon what you have got is quite simply religion.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is an intellectual ninja.
After being called a moron. He responded politely. This is emotional maturity at its peak.
i agree with J Peterson. I worked in science physics (electrical power generation) with a background in the electrical trade, I also worked in the education/schools as a presenter. With many years experience and practical know how, I found it frustrating at times with the lack of knowledge from so-called physics educators/teachers who had limited knowledge, but were teaching our children.
Turn the crank, out comes the ideology.
It's an incredibe observation that he makes. That individuals spew interesting and individual ideas and ideologues all spew out the same unthoughtout idea.
The new generation is going to cripple this world. Zero thinking all emotion
G C which points to the depravity of the school (prison basically) system at this point. Captive, drugged if necessary, drones.
Acuses Peterson of being hateful
Peterson: people are inherently interesting and worthwhile in every way
Cracks me up! The only thing that dude hates is ideologies that people give up all their individuality and free thought for
Your always giving up freedom, when u are living in a society. JP is holding on this idea so much that he even ignores facts.
One fact is global warming. His solution is cleaning up your room. This is nonsense!
Hall Effekt he doesn’t say global warming isn’t a fact and his answer to it isn’t to clean your room. He doesn’t pretend to have the answer for global warming all he is saying is that individuals can do a lot of good for their own lives their communities and the world when they take personal accountability instead of believing they can’t do anything but complain about issues so someone else can fix them.
@@austinjones1929 He is only complaining. Great men have ideas.
Btw, it was his generation doing a lot of protest, when they was young. Now he is complaining about young ppl.
Hall Effekt thanks for responding. If you actually watch his talks or read his book you’ll all he does is come up with solutions for the problems we all face. Also just cuz people in his generation protested didn’t mean he was. He was too busy getting a PhD in psychology he was never a protester but that doesnt actually matter because you don’t have a point even if he did
extreme left and extreme right is like a horseshoe, the ends are closer together than to the middle..
My favorite things about Peterson are: (1) the way he eloquently inspires people to crawl out of the depths of brooding nihilistic self-loathing existential inertia and ascend to a higher plane of meaning and purpose; and (2) his pronunciation of "heinous" 6:00
I love the way he calmly responds to the accusations. Great guy 💯.
There is no such thing as hateful speech. Only emotionally unstable people.
The first “question” he asks him, all I could hear was “whaaaaaa 😢”
“entirely predictable”
They literally can’t be any more wrong about him 😂
He didn't really respond to it, he just examined the person behind the comment as one of his patient, which is even more hilarious
The first Facebook post that was read represents the sole reason why I am no longer a Democrat. I grew up in a JFK conservative Democrat family(believe it or not, this actually use to exist). Meaning, my family supported(s) the Civil rights movement, Women's right movement, retired/currently serving Military(of all branches), former and current Union stewards, Christian, etc... My family supports all stated, due to using reason and logic, when government has denied Constitutional rights to its citizens. It is up to us for proper push back. Now, the Democrats have been completely taken over by emotional Leftists. Mr. Peterson represents what Democrats use to be and that is why I support his work...
I wish people would understand the difference between hate speech and speech that you hate.
Nice one Dev.
That's really good.
One of the greatest minds of our time. Make no mistake. Logical and well thought out responses given after research and taking note of history and the greatest minds of our time.
Apparently his main audience is young men. I rest my case
What I learned from this video: it is important to be reasonable and open minded in discussions with others; don't fall into the trap of thinking you are always right, and always remember to try and understand and accept the opposing perspective.
This is a college PROFESSOR… PERIOD! Every time he talks you will learn something real
Brilliance spoken by Jordan Peterson,, !
I have nothing but respect for this man.
If students would spend more time on studies and less on hate speech, their lives would be better. Free speech means all are open to talk.
@3,14 _ There has to be some limitations to speech, such as making it illegal to threaten people or incite to violence. Other than that some countries also have hate speech laws, which doesn't make much sense. Hate speech is by definition subjective, which means that anything anyone says can be interpreted as hateful.
I'm 60 and learned more about the reality of life from JP than I learned in 50 years.
It is true that Jordan Peterson is wrong at times and deals with things that he doesn't really understand. He isn't a god, after all. But you can't really say that he's an idiot unless you're a fool or a liar.
Why? Simple. Listen to the personal accounts of all the people who's lives he has saved with his lectures and books. It's absolutely astounding how many there are. He really does know how to get people to fix their lives with his wisdom. This man is a hero.
i would suggest to rephraze; these people were handed the necessary tools by him, to save their own lives.
When Jordan takes a drink of water, his opponents are toast.
Nowadays, ignorance is a popular undergraduate degree and ignorant ideology is a grad school MUST.
The student who wrote that (doubtful it was not a collaborative effort) couldn’t have a conversation with Peterson for more than three minutes.
He isn't about opinion, only the facts that don't care about your feelings.
"If the conversation wasn't really interesting, then we weren't doing anything that was therapeutically useful." - Jordan Peterson
“ I’d like you to respond to this long 2min post that is the same thing we’ve heard you responded to thousands of times. “
"there's lots of space between radical left and liberal right" what a brilliant observation. An excellent response to juvenile critique; even while i was listening to the first 2:40 i was thinking; "this is typical college student critique, nothing challenging" and it's exactly how Dr. Peterson replied. If one wants to be critical, conectrate on what is said not what you've heard: exactly a crank that regurgetates someone else's ideas, as i said very juvenile critiques. thanks for sharing.
When Jordan speaks, I listen. Greatest mind of our time.
like the way you link to full vedio it's very honest
better than the crazy clickbait title channels of JBP videos.
Can anyone tell me what ideology Peterson represent? I cannot find any.
Except perhaps the objective of minimizing the unavoidable suffering in life by the persuit of understanding what we are and how things are structured.
When I heard the first student letter, I shook my head, is this the future of Canada !
and this is one of the reasons i dropped out of my university politics degree, too many people possessed by ideology. I could never put it into words until I heard it from Jordan Peterson, bravo.
I am encouraged by the dialogues of Mr. Peterson. It makes me rethink my ideas of a healthy life for myself. I am encouraged to view opposing doctrines less defensively. Mr. Peterson treats everyone with equal courtesy and consideration. A good example of "adulting"
Having to sit there and listen to that bile took utmost patience.
For someone who claims a person (JBP) is hateful, they sure know how to be hateful in their writing. There weren’t even arguements- just complaints.
Out of all of the intelligent people in my life, no one has been as honest as this man. You can look at him and see the way he carries himself from years of knowledge and studying and writing. Not only an emotional genius, he is a hard working man and I can assure that if you took the time to listen to him you would be blown away. You can literally feel the wisdom entering your brain as you listen to all these things that just seem right, even if you've never heard it before. His videos are a great opportunity if you have thought about changing your old ways. Hes like a universal dad, he is not our enemy. I am an independent woman.
"whether the person is there, or the ideology is there..." wow. so true. tons of brainwashed people running around these days.
"Jordan Peterson responds to poorly constructed strawmen from whiny snowflakes" would have been a better title
People don't have ideas, ideas have people is a very strong one ,one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard