Ah, yes, an evil villain As opposed to a benevolent villain, going around doing good deeds and helping strangers while mischieviously twirling their moustache
Speaking of: I am surprised Mesa Falcon Guy didn't rate Dire Mole higher -- it's a 1/3 from the get-go, while the Mesa Falcon is 1/3 only after two additional mana...
I was with CGB right away from back when I played myself "This totally still saw play, right?" Also of note that Hearthstone (at least back then) was waaaaaay less powerful than anything you could do in Magic, so thats also messing with his mind.
@@Flamewolf14 yeah but magic has loads of enchantments that do what Blessing of Kings does. They are always bad, unless you can put them on synergistic things like hexproof creatures
Fun fact: Moorabi is so memed on that a future card’s flavor text mentions him: You’re finally awake! That fall looked really bad. Demon Hunters? Mercenaries? What are you talking about? Come on, I just unpacked a Golden Moorabi, let’s go build a Freeze Shaman deck.
I still think that Ahune was gonna be released as a freezing version of Rag that could attack and then it just, didn't. That one midsummer festival around that time where it was frost themed and he was in charge was super weird because he never came through.
It's crazy how they built an entire archetype around it, pushed it so hard, and was entirely unplayable. I still say had they cut the cost down on a lot of those cards it would've been playable, but you know, druidstone 2017.
@paulghignon4092 it's wild that they made brrloc when glacial shard was already a thing. I'm surprised it saw play when on paper it's just a much worse version of a neutral card but i guess it not dying to hero powers goes a long way.
@@juliandacosta6841 I get why they did that with brrloc. They were porbably concerned due to the murloc package that already existed. Of course, I don't think any murloc package would've been successful in that meta because priest and druid overshadowed everything else by a long shot.
Ahh, Spreading Plague. The card that created one of the funmiest matchups ever - Token Druid mirror matchups in Witchwood. Token Druid was a deck that wanted to summon a lot of small minions, buff those minions and win the game. However, summoning a bunch of small minions vs Token Druid was terrible, because the opponent would play Spreading Plague, get much bigger minions and proceed to buff those. In a Token Druid mirror, the best play was basically just to play your cards as suboptimally as possible just to get them out of your hand, because otherwise your opponent would just play Spreading Plague and win. It was probably the most awkward matchup ever because neither player could execute the gameplan that they built their deck around.
Worst mirror to play. However, Amnesiac vs. Zalae finals had a druid mirror had some insanely advanced meta turns for just the reasons you described. Each turn had to be heavily mathed out for *JUST* enough tempo to regulate the enemy board, while still playing around plague, and advancing a gameplay that you thought could win them the game with what they had in hand. Here's the link to game 1 ua-cam.com/video/5kyAUUAP6jE/v-deo.html
and i am still sucessfully scamming wins in wild ladder by watching my opponent scramble to find some bug spray as they slowly deck out Spreading is probably one of the most druid cards of all time.
To be fair Arcane Tyrant was not even one of the best cards in Druid in that time, it was played because it was tempo efficient especially in tournaments that have "extra" value. But in regular matches (and i play a LOT of Druid in the DK Era, the only time i feel good with druid) most people cut it just for extra value. The only deck on the ladder able to finish Druid in that time was Anduin. Tempo was whatever for druid thanks to the Plague, you never ever get run-over in time. There was not reward to finish the game. I will said Arcane Tyrant was a great card against Priest specifically because this was still the time were you cant touch 4/4 with priest in a 1 for 1 exchange. It was impossible specially in early game. Two of this with a big ramp or Plague, it was game over for priest unless they hold the right board control.
@@KaiserTheDarkWolf Yes, I'd argue it had a massive amount to do with the fact Druid had Nourish + UI as well. Two big draw spells that proc it. If their regular cycle cards were only Wrath and stuff you would not see Arcane Tyrant played even if they were to play many other 5+ mana spells.
@@KaiserTheDarkWolf Priest in general just did poorly to druid, mostly because it was one of the only decks that was playable that could armor out of the OTK range of prophet, mind blast, smite combo. Warrior was the only other class that gained armor easily, and that was a completely unplayable class. It's also wild to think that priest was the only deck that was able to compete with it though. Druid just had the TURBO nuts. IIRC when Tempostorm had their meta analysis that year, they had to explicitly create a S Tier that didn't exist prior because druid overshadowed every other deck by a long shot. I played a ton of druid during that time, and usually priest would struggle to close out the game because of the armor. Arcane Tyrant only really saw play in druid because of priest. I even remember cutting it on occasions when I'd stop seeing priest as much.
@@paulghignon4092 I mean kinda, like you said some times you could tank priest but i play both deck and belive me i made concede a lot of Druid just by outlasting them. And getting their resources. But yeah as a player that play both classes for all that meta i also admit that Druid was the most powerful, like Priest eventually get the upper hand (and them fall down to the abyss because HS dev new team HATES priest as a concept) Druid was the king of that meta not question. Just because of the armor tho, because Priest was honestly the most broken class, being able to get 4 or 6 or 12 damage per turn, every turn, for free before the OTK was nuts.
@@KaiserTheDarkWolf yeah the only problem priest had was that it was skill heavy. I know a huge chunk of players would burn their hero power shots on minions, when face is the place lol.
You are finally awake! That fall looked really bad. Demon hunters? Mercenaries? What are you talking about? Come on, I just unpacked a golden Moorabi, let's go build a freeze shaman deck!
I LOVE CGB looking at Arcane Tyrant wondering if there was a threshold of five mana or higher spells being played when the literal previous card was a six mana card that was in the finals.
@@tarekt8427 tbf Warlock literally had 2 mana +3/+3 to a Demon that ramps your opponent for one (significantly better tempo which is all that REALLY matters in aggro) and the card was basically unplayable. Tribe specific buffs are literally only as good as the supporting cast of cards. Bloodreaver Gul'dan was stinky garbage before K&C because the playable demon pool was not good as an example (we weren't unironically playing Doomguard from hand and risk discarding the Bloodreaver).
I love these episodes!! Not only it shows a new perspective of hearthstone by the guests but Rarran gives a small history of said card and i find that entertaining at the same time.
Framing the video as "the strongest year of Hearthstone" really broke CGB's brain because it anchored him to thinking about strongest years in Magic, where it would mean dying on turn 1 or 2 to a combo, not a meta where the decks are 1 to 2 turns faster but still operate on the same axes as always.
Yeah, the strongest metas in MTG were absolutely degenerate. You're thinking things like Hogaak or Eldrazi winter or Arcbound Ravager, whereas my perception is that Hearthstone decks don't reach that level of degeneracy often. YGO is worse but Magic has had some insane outlier decks over the years where something like Loot Hoarder would be a joke because you're dead before it even comes out.
@@juliandacosta6841 then Simic decks from the time of Eldraine should suffice. Cawblade was also dominant in its time, but I dunno if it was to the lvl of Oko
“He got me,” CGB said of Rarran's dunk over him. "That f***ing Rarran boomed me." CGB added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times. CGB then said he wanted to add Rarran to the list of players he plays commander with this summer.
By the way, regarding the Day9 rant, there is a Hearthstone achievement called "Larger man" that you can obtain if you end your turn with 20/20 minion on your board that was introduced because of that.
this is the first time rarran’s been able to get into CGBs head. probably unfair to throw good cards from classes that weren’t played but these card review vids are no holds barred at this point. I expect CGB to give rarran some impossible ones in his next vid
Assumption: There were 1 health minions in the meta, specifically 2/1, or 1/1 minions. Loot Hoarder is a 2/1 itself. Blessing of Kings turns your small card into a big card, after already geting the effect. Diremole is a 2 for 1 against 2/1's and 1/1's. Bloodfury Potion reads deal 4 damage now, and at the start of your next turn. Blood Razor wipes 2/1's and 1/1's, while dealing 4 damage. (It's just that no one brought Warrior) Spreading Plague kills 2/1's and 1/1's. Sunkeeper turns your 1/1's into 3/3's. (and serves as removal)
Healing Rain was such a funny card to play against priest, because there was a high chance the had at least one Northshire Cleric out. If they had two, you could potentially mill like 10-15 cards out of their deck.
I literally quote that Day9 clip everytime I play one of my commander decks (Ravos+Sakashima, Ravos gives all my creatures +1/+1 and the rest of the deck just tries to get as many of him on board as possible, so 1 2/2 turns to 2 3/3's, which then turns to 3 4/4's, etc.)
I love these videos!!! On another note: I also like the MTG content, mainly because I just started playing MTG Arena for the first time^^ (because of your Hearthstone "Lands" video with Roffle).
The funny thing about Dire Mole is that not only was it played, some rogue decks used to play crystallizer too as a "worse dire mole." 2 copies just wasn't enough. And as long as you had at least 6 HP, crystallizer was just as good as dire mole, so it was fine. A 1 mana 1/3 was just *that good* in rogue that year.
I think what makes Rarrans "guess how good this card is" videos so good is that he's really competitive about it and actually puts his all into screwing up the guest.
This video gave me a throwback. There was a french rebroadcast for this tournament and Vinz, a retired Yu-Gi-Oh player at the time and commentator for this commentary, spoke about the 3 key cards of Raza Priest (Raza, Velen and Anduin) as "Obelisk the Tormentor, Slyfer the Sky Dragon and The Winged Dragon Ra". I never heard something so spot on about the deck.
Moorabi also had the issue of it being PURELY value based. Sure, let's play pretend and say you froze and "stole" a Sylvanas or whatever. You still have to pay 6 more mana to take advantage of that. He needed a discount on the cards if they weren't going to make it summon a copy straight to your board.
@19:50 For CGB's context on Jade Golems. They added a 6 mana 4/6 with a Battlecry that basically killed the infinite deck length of Druid's Jade Golems, the card was a VERY common tech in basically every non-Druid deck in the game, and Druid was STILL the top class with a card specifically made to screw over exactly Druid. That's how flipping stupid and game destroying Jade Golems were. Hearthstone literally never healed from the power creep damage Jade Golems did to the game.
I mean, the infinite deck length was a noob trap in standard. Jade idol was a 1 mana 6/6 and the slow ovoercosted tech card not great at stopping that.
@@bmccarthy9 It wasn't a noob trap, it was what you did if you had to grind out something like a Control Warrior. In most cases, of course, one did opt for 1 mana 7/7s and such. You make that choice based on the matchup.
@bmccarthy9 you literally only had to shuffle once every 3 idols though. Yes, it was grief to shuffle idol turn 1 or whatever, but you WERE shuffling later in the game especially during insane auctioneer turns after you blew your deck up by drawing 10 million cards with UI.
He definitely screwed up by forgetting about Shadowreaper Anduin several times. But, to be fair, i think only 2 decks used Prophet Velen. Razakus priest and as part of funny OTK combo with mindblast and copying. Second one definitely was not popular though.
I didn't play back then but I got to see Spreading Plague in action when they temporarily brought the set back before March of the Lich King and I HATED IT. SO MUCH.
To me, loot hoarder is an obvious call to have been good for the same reason gold panner is: the stronger the card pool is, the more powerful drawing a card is, especially on a neutral card.
Love this series man, please keep going through the metas like this! That said, would it be possible to give 5-10 baseline standard cards before you start asking questions? I feel that often times cards on their own can look bad without the proper synergy (which may or may not exist) & you could've done something like show 5 different freeze cards for Shaman and then shown Moorabi. Extra layers of mind games against your opponent + technically gives them more of an understanding of the cards in standard at the time
The fun of this series is them using game knowledge from their respective game to evaluate hearthstone. It defeats the purpose to give them additional context thats unneeded. It also makes the video more time consuming to do as a whole, less fun because it loses the comedic effect and its either too confusing or makes it too obvious. i.e. if he showed 5-10 cards Rarran has to consider how it effects the evaluation of the cards + CGB has to evaluate the cards in context of those specific cards + those cards give additional context to which decks/archetypes were played/not played.
If you play corrupting mist, your opponent can just go face and develop behind it -- only the minions that were already on the board get destroyed. That's the other deceptive part about it. If it killed *all minions* when it came back to your turn, it would be basically doomsayer.
And if you tried to develop a board behind your own Corrupting Mist, they could trade in the minions that would be destroyed anyway at the start of your next turn! There was no winning with that card.
Amazing video! I love those both with you hosting and with cgb as well. I think that this one showed off somthing pretty unfun though. While looking at either you or cgb absolutely miss a crucial part of a strategy for a good card or think that absolute garbage as moorabi is op is funny and entertaining, it just feels boring or kinda unfair for the "contestant" to absolutely nail a card but guess wrong because "lol lmao shaman wasnt played at the tournament". Would you considering briefing the guest on 1. Which classes didnt get ANY play in the top 16 2. Which classes were played in finals (no specifics about what deck though) I think this would make this format a lot more enjoyable and give the contestant a fair chance when evaluating cards that while good, didnt fit into the archetype or meta.
CGB's reasoning on the "good little guy" loot hoarder was spot on. That guy got played for quite a long time, on and off in different metas, never anything to get excited about but always kinda there. Sometimes your deck just couldn't get value from Thalnos, or sometimes your deck could use additional copies on top of Thalnos. Sometimes you just needed some deathrattle wieners, and other times you didn't even synergize at all, but you just wanted something better than a paladin hero power basically. Probably not good enough to play anymore, but for several years of hearthstone history it was fine. But I don't think he has really understood the hearthstone format. In Magic, you bring _one deck_ to a tournament, and in Hearthstone, you bring 3-5 depending on the format. So a card that's fine in a variety of decks is quite likely to show up in the finals between the 6-10 decks that are brought. It's just not a fair comparison to a two-deck MTG finals. CGB should be comparing Hearthstone finals to MTG quarterfinals.
I've watched all of these videos and I've never got as much PTSD whiplash as I did when I saw that Spreading Plague, not with Patches, or Grim Patron, or any zoo or annoying OTK, I almost got shivers from seeing Spreading Plague again.
Something I see Rarran not mention when discussing Spreading Plague was how absolutely massive 5 health was. Sure they touched on how they were big walls, but the jump from 4 to 5 hp meant that they didn't fall to a lot of minions and removal spells that they would in most other cases without that 1 extra HP (which would give some possible context for future videos where cards having those HP breakpoints contribute a lot to their strength).
For any magic players who want to understand glacial mysteries even further, secret decks in hearthstone are usually pretty aggressive and tempo oriented. In hearthstone decks are 30 cards big and there are no lands, so if you can thin your deck enough you can get very consistent draws, most secret decks will aim to tutor their secrets out of the deck in the early game so they can try to close out the midgame with their more expensive non-secret cards. Glacial mysteries is essentially completely anti-synergistic with the typical tempo secret deck, they don't want to play a non-offensive spell on turn 8 and they don't want to keep their secrets in their decks
Corrupting mist is kind of a trap. CGB said you could start your turn with it and then play minions, but then they just trade their corrupted minions into your minions and corrupt did nothing. Basically, it being 2 mana doesn't matter because the only way to get value out of it is by not playing anything else on the same turn.
Two things made this harder than normal: One, you were doing that series with the yugioh guy, and he saw cards from later OP sets. Two, you didn’t give him any context clues. If you showed ultimate infestation or jades first, the rest of druid becomes clear. If you show “The Lich King” Arfus becomes clear
He also has to choose between whether something is top 2, top 8, top 16, good when topdecked on turn 3 on a tuesday. Should narrow the options down to more of an is it good or bad.
I can barely express the emotions these videos cause me Enjoyment from seeing someone trying to figure out the game Mixed with PURE madness watching CGB think he knows things and acting all gallant, when in reality, he knows not
@@jgaringan There's minions that freeze as well and I'd say it either needed to be cheaper and still add them to your hand or still cost 6 (maybe 7) but summon copies
Where's the lie? There WERE like 5 cards in Standard at the time that froze things. That's 10 synergy cards in your deck if you maxed out which is literally 1/3 of your deck. The likelihood of you having Moorabi and say Glacial Shard in the same hand was very high. The issue is the freeze cards were absolutely terrible and not the fact they didn't exist.
Would be great with a series where Rarran shows CGB (and maybe other non HS youtubers) interesting/popular decks throughout Hearthstone’s history. Maybe go class for class in a head to head where they have to rank how good the different decks for a class throughout history was or something
I think an important difference between Magic and Hearthstone for Blessing of Kings specifically is that CGB is used to buff effects only lasting until end of turn, where Blessing of Kings is permanent. The closest equivalent from Magic would actually be a card called Increasing Savagery (5 +1/+1 counters for 4 mana), which is still bad, but not completely unplayable unlike, say, Giant Growth.
Don't think that's applicable here. Auras are permanent but they are notoriously avoided for being "2 for 1s" when your creature is killed. Only time auras are played in non-commander is in very fringe scenarios and metas. Even in commander they are mostly fringe. Last time I recall auras in standard was kaldheim enchantments but that was such a rare case and they weren't played for buffs but for etb triggers.
Rarran low key kinda an evil villian in this one
Ah, yes, an evil villain
As opposed to a benevolent villain, going around doing good deeds and helping strangers while mischieviously twirling their moustache
@@sonarchy5158 Ye, one that does a bit of trolling :)
Lowkey? It was very clear he was evil 😂
He is low key in the other videos. In this one he's a straight up supervillain.
Can’t wait to see CGB’s crack back
These are awesome!
Never clicked faster, rarran + cgb = banger
Can't agree more
Same here
always here.
yessir
Waiting for the podcast to drop
CGB's inner Mesa Falcon made him stan Loot Hoarder so hard he talked himself out of it
Speaking of: I am surprised Mesa Falcon Guy didn't rate Dire Mole higher -- it's a 1/3 from the get-go, while the Mesa Falcon is 1/3 only after two additional mana...
@@MPSmaruj It'd be 4 extra mana. That card is Not Good. Sorry, Mesa Falcon Guy.
I was with CGB right away from back when I played myself "This totally still saw play, right?"
Also of note that Hearthstone (at least back then) was waaaaaay less powerful than anything you could do in Magic, so thats also messing with his mind.
@@ConnorGrummer I totally forgot it's 2-per... it would see no play at 1 either, so I didn't even double-check. Lord, that card is bad.
This one was cruel, Rarran. Haha.. CGB looked genuinely devastated for parts of this torture
Rarran made this man question everything he thought he knew about card games with these lol
lowkey kinda sadistic. he's cyber bullying fr
I wonder with the pump spells cgb thought they only buffed for one turn?
@@Flamewolf14in yugioh and mtg, most pump spells/combat tricks only last for that turn.
@@Flamewolf14 yeah but magic has loads of enchantments that do what Blessing of Kings does. They are always bad, unless you can put them on synergistic things like hexproof creatures
@@taliesine.8343They are inherently better in HS because instants don't exist so you can guarantee at least one attack
Fun fact: Moorabi is so memed on that a future card’s flavor text mentions him: You’re finally awake! That fall looked really bad. Demon Hunters? Mercenaries? What are you talking about? Come on, I just unpacked a Golden Moorabi, let’s go build a Freeze Shaman deck.
Ah yes, the infamous Snowfall Guardian
I still think that Ahune was gonna be released as a freezing version of Rag that could attack and then it just, didn't. That one midsummer festival around that time where it was frost themed and he was in charge was super weird because he never came through.
It's crazy how they built an entire archetype around it, pushed it so hard, and was entirely unplayable. I still say had they cut the cost down on a lot of those cards it would've been playable, but you know, druidstone 2017.
@paulghignon4092 it's wild that they made brrloc when glacial shard was already a thing. I'm surprised it saw play when on paper it's just a much worse version of a neutral card but i guess it not dying to hero powers goes a long way.
@@juliandacosta6841 I get why they did that with brrloc. They were porbably concerned due to the murloc package that already existed. Of course, I don't think any murloc package would've been successful in that meta because priest and druid overshadowed everything else by a long shot.
Watching CGB react to Day9 was a blast, I would watch a whole video of CGB reacting to Day9
I'm so glad the legend Day9 is getting the respect he deserves
Ahh, Spreading Plague.
The card that created one of the funmiest matchups ever - Token Druid mirror matchups in Witchwood.
Token Druid was a deck that wanted to summon a lot of small minions, buff those minions and win the game.
However, summoning a bunch of small minions vs Token Druid was terrible, because the opponent would play Spreading Plague, get much bigger minions and proceed to buff those.
In a Token Druid mirror, the best play was basically just to play your cards as suboptimally as possible just to get them out of your hand, because otherwise your opponent would just play Spreading Plague and win.
It was probably the most awkward matchup ever because neither player could execute the gameplan that they built their deck around.
i am scarred from that card still lol
Worst mirror to play. However, Amnesiac vs. Zalae finals had a druid mirror had some insanely advanced meta turns for just the reasons you described. Each turn had to be heavily mathed out for *JUST* enough tempo to regulate the enemy board, while still playing around plague, and advancing a gameplay that you thought could win them the game with what they had in hand.
Here's the link to game 1 ua-cam.com/video/5kyAUUAP6jE/v-deo.html
So fun that i was 5 mana and they could play it on turn 3 with ramp and/or coin
and i am still sucessfully scamming wins in wild ladder by watching my opponent scramble to find some bug spray as they slowly deck out
Spreading is probably one of the most druid cards of all time.
Arcane Tyrant immediately after Spreading Plague; "if this is good, its something I haven't seen yet" - CGB.
To be fair Arcane Tyrant was not even one of the best cards in Druid in that time, it was played because it was tempo efficient especially in tournaments that have "extra" value. But in regular matches (and i play a LOT of Druid in the DK Era, the only time i feel good with druid) most people cut it just for extra value. The only deck on the ladder able to finish Druid in that time was Anduin. Tempo was whatever for druid thanks to the Plague, you never ever get run-over in time. There was not reward to finish the game.
I will said Arcane Tyrant was a great card against Priest specifically because this was still the time were you cant touch 4/4 with priest in a 1 for 1 exchange. It was impossible specially in early game. Two of this with a big ramp or Plague, it was game over for priest unless they hold the right board control.
@@KaiserTheDarkWolf Yes, I'd argue it had a massive amount to do with the fact Druid had Nourish + UI as well. Two big draw spells that proc it. If their regular cycle cards were only Wrath and stuff you would not see Arcane Tyrant played even if they were to play many other 5+ mana spells.
@@KaiserTheDarkWolf Priest in general just did poorly to druid, mostly because it was one of the only decks that was playable that could armor out of the OTK range of prophet, mind blast, smite combo. Warrior was the only other class that gained armor easily, and that was a completely unplayable class. It's also wild to think that priest was the only deck that was able to compete with it though. Druid just had the TURBO nuts. IIRC when Tempostorm had their meta analysis that year, they had to explicitly create a S Tier that didn't exist prior because druid overshadowed every other deck by a long shot.
I played a ton of druid during that time, and usually priest would struggle to close out the game because of the armor. Arcane Tyrant only really saw play in druid because of priest. I even remember cutting it on occasions when I'd stop seeing priest as much.
@@paulghignon4092 I mean kinda, like you said some times you could tank priest but i play both deck and belive me i made concede a lot of Druid just by outlasting them. And getting their resources. But yeah as a player that play both classes for all that meta i also admit that Druid was the most powerful, like Priest eventually get the upper hand (and them fall down to the abyss because HS dev new team HATES priest as a concept)
Druid was the king of that meta not question. Just because of the armor tho, because Priest was honestly the most broken class, being able to get 4 or 6 or 12 damage per turn, every turn, for free before the OTK was nuts.
@@KaiserTheDarkWolf yeah the only problem priest had was that it was skill heavy. I know a huge chunk of players would burn their hero power shots on minions, when face is the place lol.
Other videos so far: "Magic Player Rates Hearthstone Cards"
This time: "Magic Player TRIES To Rate..."
Didn't know Rarran has taunt as well.
my god he is cooking him alive
Seeing CGB sus out the most toxic Ygo cards to seeing him fail on this video so far is hilarious. Rarran really did screw with his mind's analysis.
Rarran: "It was bad, I'm sorry"
Also Rarran: **Smiling like a kid on christmas whenever CGB gets it wrong**
You are finally awake! That fall looked really bad.
Demon hunters? Mercenaries? What are you talking about?
Come on, I just unpacked a golden Moorabi, let's go build a freeze shaman deck!
Probably the best flavor text they've ever given to a card.
I can't believe he was right on the Dire Mole guess. Dire mole into the 2 mana 3/2: adapt a beast was an okay thing to do at turn 2
Love the synergy of you two ! I have been binge watching your duo content on both channels for weeks now 👌
Those first 3 guesses had me really rolling. XD 😂 poor cgb. Rarran cooked this video haha😂
It's like a perfect calculated strike to olibeterate CGBs brain
He never stood a chance
I LOVE CGB looking at Arcane Tyrant wondering if there was a threshold of five mana or higher spells being played when the literal previous card was a six mana card that was in the finals.
@@tarekt8427 tbf Warlock literally had 2 mana +3/+3 to a Demon that ramps your opponent for one (significantly better tempo which is all that REALLY matters in aggro) and the card was basically unplayable.
Tribe specific buffs are literally only as good as the supporting cast of cards. Bloodreaver Gul'dan was stinky garbage before K&C because the playable demon pool was not good as an example (we weren't unironically playing Doomguard from hand and risk discarding the Bloodreaver).
I love these episodes!!
Not only it shows a new perspective of hearthstone by the guests but Rarran gives a small history of said card and i find that entertaining at the same time.
Framing the video as "the strongest year of Hearthstone" really broke CGB's brain because it anchored him to thinking about strongest years in Magic, where it would mean dying on turn 1 or 2 to a combo, not a meta where the decks are 1 to 2 turns faster but still operate on the same axes as always.
big agree
Yeah, the strongest metas in MTG were absolutely degenerate. You're thinking things like Hogaak or Eldrazi winter or Arcbound Ravager, whereas my perception is that Hearthstone decks don't reach that level of degeneracy often. YGO is worse but Magic has had some insane outlier decks over the years where something like Loot Hoarder would be a joke because you're dead before it even comes out.
@soasertsus but hogaak and eldrazi winter was in modern not standard
@@juliandacosta6841 then Simic decks from the time of Eldraine should suffice. Cawblade was also dominant in its time, but I dunno if it was to the lvl of Oko
“He got me,” CGB said of Rarran's dunk over him. "That f***ing Rarran boomed me."
CGB added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times.
CGB then said he wanted to add Rarran to the list of players he plays commander with this summer.
By the way, regarding the Day9 rant, there is a Hearthstone achievement called "Larger man" that you can obtain if you end your turn with 20/20 minion on your board that was introduced because of that.
i love how we always go back to the old days of hearthstone
"Larger and larger men" finds it's way into Rarrans video once again! :D
this is the first time rarran’s been able to get into CGBs head. probably unfair to throw good cards from classes that weren’t played but these card review vids are no holds barred at this point. I expect CGB to give rarran some impossible ones in his next vid
Assumption: There were 1 health minions in the meta, specifically 2/1, or 1/1 minions.
Loot Hoarder is a 2/1 itself.
Blessing of Kings turns your small card into a big card, after already geting the effect.
Diremole is a 2 for 1 against 2/1's and 1/1's.
Bloodfury Potion reads deal 4 damage now, and at the start of your next turn.
Blood Razor wipes 2/1's and 1/1's, while dealing 4 damage. (It's just that no one brought Warrior)
Spreading Plague kills 2/1's and 1/1's.
Sunkeeper turns your 1/1's into 3/3's. (and serves as removal)
Also CGB going 1 out of 14?
Healing Rain was such a funny card to play against priest, because there was a high chance the had at least one Northshire Cleric out. If they had two, you could potentially mill like 10-15 cards out of their deck.
I literally quote that Day9 clip everytime I play one of my commander decks (Ravos+Sakashima, Ravos gives all my creatures +1/+1 and the rest of the deck just tries to get as many of him on board as possible, so 1 2/2 turns to 2 3/3's, which then turns to 3 4/4's, etc.)
I love these videos!!!
On another note: I also like the MTG content, mainly because I just started playing MTG Arena for the first time^^ (because of your Hearthstone "Lands" video with Roffle).
The funny thing about Dire Mole is that not only was it played, some rogue decks used to play crystallizer too as a "worse dire mole." 2 copies just wasn't enough. And as long as you had at least 6 HP, crystallizer was just as good as dire mole, so it was fine. A 1 mana 1/3 was just *that good* in rogue that year.
Mostly odd rogue iirc
He conceived of it.
He planned it.
He executed that plan to completion.
You the jury MUST find this man GUILTY!
I think what makes Rarrans "guess how good this card is" videos so good is that he's really competitive about it and actually puts his all into screwing up the guest.
This video gave me a throwback. There was a french rebroadcast for this tournament and Vinz, a retired Yu-Gi-Oh player at the time and commentator for this commentary, spoke about the 3 key cards of Raza Priest (Raza, Velen and Anduin) as "Obelisk the Tormentor, Slyfer the Sky Dragon and The Winged Dragon Ra". I never heard something so spot on about the deck.
The algorithm knows I want to see this stuff. Brought me in 10 minutes after posting. Good algorithm keep it up
Moorabi also had the issue of it being PURELY value based. Sure, let's play pretend and say you froze and "stole" a Sylvanas or whatever. You still have to pay 6 more mana to take advantage of that. He needed a discount on the cards if they weren't going to make it summon a copy straight to your board.
Rarran, this was diabolical. CGB did nothing wrong.
I dunno man, thinking Corrupting Mist is a Top 2 card is pretty wrong to me.
Rarran, you are great at facilitating other people to be funny and entertaining. You always have great chemistry with your guests.
Rarran this was great. I really hope that CGB gets you back for this. CGB make him pay for this lol. Man this was a great episode
@19:50 For CGB's context on Jade Golems. They added a 6 mana 4/6 with a Battlecry that basically killed the infinite deck length of Druid's Jade Golems, the card was a VERY common tech in basically every non-Druid deck in the game, and Druid was STILL the top class with a card specifically made to screw over exactly Druid.
That's how flipping stupid and game destroying Jade Golems were.
Hearthstone literally never healed from the power creep damage Jade Golems did to the game.
I mean, the infinite deck length was a noob trap in standard. Jade idol was a 1 mana 6/6 and the slow ovoercosted tech card not great at stopping that.
@@bmccarthy9 It wasn't a noob trap, it was what you did if you had to grind out something like a Control Warrior.
In most cases, of course, one did opt for 1 mana 7/7s and such.
You make that choice based on the matchup.
@bmccarthy9 you literally only had to shuffle once every 3 idols though. Yes, it was grief to shuffle idol turn 1 or whatever, but you WERE shuffling later in the game especially during insane auctioneer turns after you blew your deck up by drawing 10 million cards with UI.
CGB getting Prophet Velen wrong was so funny yet hurt so much. He had every piece of the puzzle there!!
He definitely screwed up by forgetting about Shadowreaper Anduin several times.
But, to be fair, i think only 2 decks used Prophet Velen. Razakus priest and as part of funny OTK combo with mindblast and copying. Second one definitely was not popular though.
I got Vietnam flashbacks from seeing Spreading Plague again holy shit
I didn't play back then but I got to see Spreading Plague in action when they temporarily brought the set back before March of the Lich King and I HATED IT. SO MUCH.
I was literally looking for a video to eat with lunch, immaculate timing
10/10, updooted simply because the day9 clip
To me, loot hoarder is an obvious call to have been good for the same reason gold panner is: the stronger the card pool is, the more powerful drawing a card is, especially on a neutral card.
Any video with CBG and/or Voxy with Rarran is just such a blast... I really hope more videos with those two will come out!
That card selection was EVIL, Rarran did an amazing job!
Love this series man, please keep going through the metas like this! That said, would it be possible to give 5-10 baseline standard cards before you start asking questions? I feel that often times cards on their own can look bad without the proper synergy (which may or may not exist) & you could've done something like show 5 different freeze cards for Shaman and then shown Moorabi. Extra layers of mind games against your opponent + technically gives them more of an understanding of the cards in standard at the time
The fun of this series is them using game knowledge from their respective game to evaluate hearthstone. It defeats the purpose to give them additional context thats unneeded. It also makes the video more time consuming to do as a whole, less fun because it loses the comedic effect and its either too confusing or makes it too obvious. i.e. if he showed 5-10 cards Rarran has to consider how it effects the evaluation of the cards + CGB has to evaluate the cards in context of those specific cards + those cards give additional context to which decks/archetypes were played/not played.
This, so much this
The trio of Rarran, Cimo and CGB never fail for me. Theyre the best!
If you play corrupting mist, your opponent can just go face and develop behind it -- only the minions that were already on the board get destroyed. That's the other deceptive part about it. If it killed *all minions* when it came back to your turn, it would be basically doomsayer.
And if you tried to develop a board behind your own Corrupting Mist, they could trade in the minions that would be destroyed anyway at the start of your next turn! There was no winning with that card.
Amazing video! I love those both with you hosting and with cgb as well. I think that this one showed off somthing pretty unfun though. While looking at either you or cgb absolutely miss a crucial part of a strategy for a good card or think that absolute garbage as moorabi is op is funny and entertaining, it just feels boring or kinda unfair for the "contestant" to absolutely nail a card but guess wrong because "lol lmao shaman wasnt played at the tournament". Would you considering briefing the guest on
1. Which classes didnt get ANY play in the top 16
2. Which classes were played in finals (no specifics about what deck though)
I think this would make this format a lot more enjoyable and give the contestant a fair chance when evaluating cards that while good, didnt fit into the archetype or meta.
CGB desperately overcorrecting his estimations after every single pick truly was a sight to behold. Always wonderful seeing him and Rarran together.
CGB's reasoning on the "good little guy" loot hoarder was spot on. That guy got played for quite a long time, on and off in different metas, never anything to get excited about but always kinda there. Sometimes your deck just couldn't get value from Thalnos, or sometimes your deck could use additional copies on top of Thalnos. Sometimes you just needed some deathrattle wieners, and other times you didn't even synergize at all, but you just wanted something better than a paladin hero power basically. Probably not good enough to play anymore, but for several years of hearthstone history it was fine.
But I don't think he has really understood the hearthstone format. In Magic, you bring _one deck_ to a tournament, and in Hearthstone, you bring 3-5 depending on the format. So a card that's fine in a variety of decks is quite likely to show up in the finals between the 6-10 decks that are brought. It's just not a fair comparison to a two-deck MTG finals. CGB should be comparing Hearthstone finals to MTG quarterfinals.
I've watched all of these videos and I've never got as much PTSD whiplash as I did when I saw that Spreading Plague, not with Patches, or Grim Patron, or any zoo or annoying OTK, I almost got shivers from seeing Spreading Plague again.
I’m so happy to have seen CGB’s reaction to Day9’s infamous rant
Rarran: shows a higher than 5 busted spell, then shows a card that it's free when you play a 5 mana or higher spell.
cgb: i'll ignore that
🤣🤣🤣
Something I see Rarran not mention when discussing Spreading Plague was how absolutely massive 5 health was. Sure they touched on how they were big walls, but the jump from 4 to 5 hp meant that they didn't fall to a lot of minions and removal spells that they would in most other cases without that 1 extra HP (which would give some possible context for future videos where cards having those HP breakpoints contribute a lot to their strength).
Always a treat seeing CGB in these kinds of vids.
For any magic players who want to understand glacial mysteries even further, secret decks in hearthstone are usually pretty aggressive and tempo oriented. In hearthstone decks are 30 cards big and there are no lands, so if you can thin your deck enough you can get very consistent draws, most secret decks will aim to tutor their secrets out of the deck in the early game so they can try to close out the midgame with their more expensive non-secret cards. Glacial mysteries is essentially completely anti-synergistic with the typical tempo secret deck, they don't want to play a non-offensive spell on turn 8 and they don't want to keep their secrets in their decks
Sooooo missed opportunity to show Skulking Geist, such a unique card...
Blessing of kings saw play. Can’t tell you how many times I have been blown out by this card.
"im showing you his dog" is a goated fake out.
22:20 CGB has literally just seen plague and already forgot about it lol
Corrupting mist is kind of a trap. CGB said you could start your turn with it and then play minions, but then they just trade their corrupted minions into your minions and corrupt did nothing. Basically, it being 2 mana doesn't matter because the only way to get value out of it is by not playing anything else on the same turn.
I laugh every time I see that Day9 jade clip lmao thank you for including that piece of history
Two things made this harder than normal:
One, you were doing that series with the yugioh guy, and he saw cards from later OP sets.
Two, you didn’t give him any context clues. If you showed ultimate infestation or jades first, the rest of druid becomes clear. If you show “The Lich King” Arfus becomes clear
He also has to choose between whether something is top 2, top 8, top 16, good when topdecked on turn 3 on a tuesday. Should narrow the options down to more of an is it good or bad.
In this video, watch as Rarran completely mindbreaks cgb before 10 minutes in xD
Another banger from these two, who could have guessed
Learns that Priest and Druid were top 2 and then proceeds to immediately forget that.
can't believe Rarran didn't mention Galvadon, the last Kaleidosaur when talking about blessing of kings, he was a real meta tyrant back in the day
And he even has his own song!
@@martinprince8253 he's got windfury and a whole lot more 🎶🕺
Ah, he's not that bad
Mesa Falcon Guy, there’s only two words you need to know for evaluating early Hearthstone cards. ‘Tempo good’.
you have no idea how long I've been waiting for this series to come back. Instant like.
I love gaming theory and content like this is my absolute favorite. I love seeing ppl unfamiliar with mtg and hearthstone rate these games.
I unironically love that CGB thinks for so long, the videos get so long and i dont have to swap videos
Dire mole was criminal after the yeti incident
It's Sunday night where I live, I dipped out of boys night in for this. They'll understand
Rarran content is more important :P
(fr tho socialization is important too)
Year of the mammoth was peak HS.
Summary of the episode: Great analysis, you couldn't be further from reality 😂
"CGB's wrong-The Video"
Me: Sees Loot Hoarder
Brain: "Mind if i roll NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!"
These collab videos are so good. I always watch CGB and you guys together are so funny.
I can barely express the emotions these videos cause me
Enjoyment from seeing someone trying to figure out the game
Mixed with PURE madness watching CGB think he knows things and acting all gallant, when in reality, he knows not
17:00 You can hear the tremble in his voice, I think you broke CGB with this one, Rarran
CGBs reaction to Day9 is gold
CGB is so damn enjoyable in these videos. Keep bringing them!
"Shaman got A LOT of freezing tools" Well that's quite the lie
They got like... 3 usable freeze spells, tops. If it summoned a copy of the minion and cost only 3 or 4, maybe it could be playable
@@jgaringan There's minions that freeze as well and I'd say it either needed to be cheaper and still add them to your hand or still cost 6 (maybe 7) but summon copies
Where's the lie? There WERE like 5 cards in Standard at the time that froze things. That's 10 synergy cards in your deck if you maxed out which is literally 1/3 of your deck. The likelihood of you having Moorabi and say Glacial Shard in the same hand was very high.
The issue is the freeze cards were absolutely terrible and not the fact they didn't exist.
@@amethonys2798 "a lot of Freezing tools" kind of imply good cards imo
CGB really went from rating warcrimes like Maxx C with Cimooo to loot hoarder lmao
Holy shit cgb got cooked. And got introduced to day9. This is the perfect start into the weekend.
Blood razor my beloved…
Glacial Mysteries rating has me going. “Oh no. Oh no. Oh no.” 😂
please more vids with this gorgeous man, love the energy
Rarran + CGB chemistry is almost flirty, its so good
I love all the card evaluation videos so much ❤
This dude @covertgoblue is so enthusiastic I can listen to this all day!
This was probably the toughest one yet, you had to be there!
Would be great with a series where Rarran shows CGB (and maybe other non HS youtubers) interesting/popular decks throughout Hearthstone’s history. Maybe go class for class in a head to head where they have to rank how good the different decks for a class throughout history was or something
I would watch a thousand hours of this series.
I can't believe Covertgoblue triple zagged himself out of what he knew was the correct answer.
No. Wait. Yes I can.
these will never get old, love cgb
I think an important difference between Magic and Hearthstone for Blessing of Kings specifically is that CGB is used to buff effects only lasting until end of turn, where Blessing of Kings is permanent. The closest equivalent from Magic would actually be a card called Increasing Savagery (5 +1/+1 counters for 4 mana), which is still bad, but not completely unplayable unlike, say, Giant Growth.
Don't think that's applicable here. Auras are permanent but they are notoriously avoided for being "2 for 1s" when your creature is killed. Only time auras are played in non-commander is in very fringe scenarios and metas. Even in commander they are mostly fringe. Last time I recall auras in standard was kaldheim enchantments but that was such a rare case and they weren't played for buffs but for etb triggers.
It's more that you can always get some value out of a buff in hearthstone whereas it's much harder to do so in magic.
This is gold. Pogchamp, Rarran!
Covert Blue legitimately having a meltdown here. Bravo Rarran!!