The Secret to Mixing PRO VOCALS is Not What You Think
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- Опубліковано 2 січ 2023
- Find out what is THE key to getting crisp, up-front, pro-level vocals, EVERY time.
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The trick I found that helped a lot is compressor chaining. Use 2-3 compressors on vocals, each of them not too high on the ratio, no more than 4:1 usually, with a soft distortion on the last compressor. Also, do your EQ cutting before Compressors, do EQ boosts after compressors.
So 2 eqs total? Asking cause this comment helped me just confused about the eqs, 1 or 2?
@@parallel_saintt9204 2 EQs. Do reductive EQ before your compressors. Then another EQ after the compressors for adding high-end crispness and lo-mid warmth.
@@parallel_saintt9204 use a parametric EQ before the compressors for gently rolling off 14k+, rolling off 100hz and below, and reducing unwanted frequencies with accuracy. Then use a graphic or solid state EQ for your boosts after the compressors
Sounds pro af. Gonna try this
@@chrisebarb4080 appreciate it man i will try this!
you literally just leveled up like 30 of my tracks. i cant explain to you how greatful i am
I've heard Jordan repeat this a thousand times...so I knew it was comp!
Wow that's a lot of compression! Too many gurus mindlessly say stuff like "mixing is all about subtlety, never compress more than -3db" but sometimes you gotta smash it.
Yeah man, gotta use the ears. I train a lot with soundgym and now 90% of the “mixing tricks” type videos are shite. This one is awesome though. I’m liking this channel more and more!
@@samchoate1719 thanks for mentioning that I was looking for something like it
Genre dependent. If it sounds good and your rig isnt on fire then why worry?
Honestly they say subtle because they have big fancy equipment but if you don’t you gone have to make big moves
@beazy so basically with analog gear you don't need to push to hard compared to digital plugins?
Was also wondering this.
This is such a topic that I used to honestly be like "oh only 3-5dB compression to not overdo it" and now... I just don't care as long as it sounds great... just did a vocal session last week and was hitting almost 20dB of compression on my WA-2A (analog) at the loudest parts and it sounded just insanely good. And that wasn't even the post-processing - that's just as we tracked it!
I do predominantly extreme heavy music, and even still, I do about 15db to even 21 db if the song needs it. I need to try outboard tracking. It sounds fun.
Same thoughts here
I actually saw some where back in the day I think it was young guru if I'm not wrong who said over compression is what he uses when the sound is recorded on poor quality hardware. So with fancy equipment that makes sense but for the rest of us that ain't in super fancy studios compression is our friend
i noticed pop music for the past 3 years have been cranking up their compression and limiter. Using UA-cam stats, their loudness is around 7 - 9 db compared to the usual 5 db in the past decade. I think some songs work with the overcompressed sound but most just sound dizzyingly loud with no room to breathe. I think subtlety is still a good advice, as long as the final product doesn't sound mushy because of the overcompression.
yeah when you are using a hardware compressor all rules of looking at the meters and not compressing too much just kind of go out the window. not sure precisely why.. but it just works out that way for me. with most plugins though, when you are compressing say 10 dB.. it definitely sounds like 10 dB of compression objectively.
This way of showing how you worked and your thought process is something that more people need to do. Good stuff, Jordan
Well, I guess if you never told us we'd never knooow. So, thanks for telling us! I've been going hard on vocal compression for a while now cause of you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
This comment made me laught so much 😂😂😂
SUCH a good example on why compression is so important on vocals. Especially hit records like you were saying! Awesome job man!
I love it when a video comes out on exactly what I'm struggling with. I just couldn't get vocals to sit right. Now I'm gonna compress them much more! Thanks!
when you mentioned how the compressor was emphasizing the attack/annunciation of the vocal, it all finally began to make sense to me. thank you !
I learned this after 2 years of my mixing journey. Thank you for just straight up putting it up there!
Man I love your tutorials, the way you explain things is so “ matter of fact “ that it really assures me to go and do it. I would love to see some more troubleshooting videos, as you know, as mix engineers, sometimes we get less than feasible material to work with, I’d love to see how you handle some of the common problems with vocal recordings that were done in a less than ideal environment ect. When re recording isn’t an option. Thanks man, keep ‘em coming!
You are always so inspiring in the choice of topics that concern a large majority...Thank you for everything you do to help musicians!🥰
I have struggled rigorously with this for months and finally you have saved my sanity and passion for this. Thank you.
I'm so happy to have found this channel. This is what I was looking for when I found Glenn Fricker's channel a few years ago. I think I was catfished into that channel. This channel has actual mix content. I think I'm gonna cozy up here for a while. Lol. thank you for what you're doing!!!
Glenn was the 1st channel I followed. Then I realized how obnoxious it can be and moved on lol
That man’s got some hot takes
Excellent video - you continue to build my confidence in the studio & I'm extremely thankful for that!
Right said! When I started back in 2002 everybody told not to overcompress blabla - and i believed it and wondered why my vocals never sounded right. One day I really accidently had the insert active in on my console with my 1176 on where the GR Hit constantly between -12-20# db - that was the day I realized not to listen to otheres but to the music! Great video and thanks for not telling the boring automation fairy tale. Yes automations is imoportant, but for me clearly at the end of the process.
Yeah unless you have a really high ratio (above 8:1) compression with a quite low threshold sounds great
I started the same year, and had the same issues! I developed a somewhat paranoid conspiracy theory that the guys telling you not to compress much do so because they know you are going to struggle to get the sounds you are after, and that means less competition for them. . . The other thing I hated when I was younger was people asking to see what the compressor is doing to make sure it LOOKS like it sounds good. Then, if you are compressing more than a few db, you get reprimanded and you're stuck going down a rabbit hole of having some producer fine tune every parameter on every part of your chain for every individual channel, all soloed, and you spend the next 12 hours creating an absolute nightmare. Then the next day the client goes with your first mix anyways.
@@nanaandbump. the best thing is use multiple compressors doing a tiny bit of gain reduction, with a total of maybe 30 db of gain reduction but without having the sound squashed (the amount being too much also depends on the compressor you’re using)
@@nanaandbump. Haha. I feel you, that is still sometimes the Case.
Thankyou Jordan, this is such a good video!...one of the best and most helpful mixing insights Ive seen, and very well explained! I've heard alot about compression on vocals being used to shape the sound, but this has really helped me understand what theyre talking about...it is certainly a surprise!
Fantastic video! I love that you take us on a journey to get there. Well done.
OMG, this just solved my biggest problem in my current mix!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, Jordan! :)
Wow thanks! This is one of the first videos I've seen where I can actually hear the compression effect clearly despite UA-cam own compression!
Love the straight forward and showing each step fast and Efficient non wasting time content. 10 out of 10
Man I so love the way those harmonies sound being raw by itself without the mixing & mastering fx's @ 3:33...Just beautiful and close to being/sounding professional without the enhancements. Love It Dude *****
Watching so many videos on compression and listening to all the warnings of over compression so I was almost afraid to use it. Thanks for making things a lot "clearer"
Did this surprise you at all? Comment below, and grab my free Mixing Cheatsheet for a quick-reference guide to compression & EQ settings for vocals: mixcheatsheet.com
Not at all. I believe I learned the same from either you or Frightbox. I compress, EQ, compress again, D-Esser then saturate my vocals. Works really nice for me. 🤘
Being honest here, no. I was afraid your 'secret' was going to be compression. But you did give big tips on how to compress properly and made me do it more intentionally so it's a big gem. Great video honestly
It did suprise though I had a feeling it would be compression, now I know I should use more of it
screw your garbage, keep polluting the net with trash you are just a failed musician turned youtuber "tutorial guy" wasting people's time. took me 30s to figure out this trash
Massive surprise. Honestly I've done everything BUT gone crazy on compression.
Thank you for this video, I wrote an album over the pandemic and Ive been learning to record and produce the instruments one by one as I've needed to. I'm on to vocals now and this was super helpful. The layering trick was really cool as well. The compression blew my mind, it instantly made my vocals sound like a real song.
I mean this is spot on. We don’t need other mixing channels long as we have this one.
great video. I love how you know the moves and questions a beginner makes and asks. Very straightforward tips. thanks
Awesome videos on mixing and love the 4 EQ series vids, awesome
Best video i have ever seen on vocal mixing. Thank you sir!
This is so good it's almost unbelievable to me still. Absolute gem of a video right here, major kudos kind sir! 🙏 You are a lifesaver! Thank you!
this video is gold, thank you SOOO much mate, i spent hours on trying to understand what was the problem with my mixes...i never realized the power of the compressor until i watched this video!
One of the better videos I've found in a while. Thank you!
Hell yeah, I've been recording a new song recently and had pretty extreme multiband compression on it, then followed up by a general compressor as well on all of the vocals so far, and I have been thrilled with the results. Seeing this video while looking for tips on how to make it even better is so gratifying.
Love the pacing and realism of this tutorial. Isnt relying on special gear or plugins - great information - and none of the annoying UA-cam stuff like stopping multiple times to tell me to sub
I love the way you roll. You don't copy others. You push limits on everything. I love it. Your metal drum mixes sound better than anything I've heard. That covers 46 years of playing drums back to 1977.
To be fair: once you've wrapped your head around compression which is definitely the basis for a great sounding vocal, EQ, Layering and Reverb/Delay are equally important!
i like to use low level compressors a lot on vocals, something i've really been doing a lot lately, it's been helping a ton getting everything balanced and shaped how i want
This video was INSANELY helpful. Thanks dude!
Great channel. I appreciate all the honest advice. I do think, for me, the more I learn about what it takes to make pro-sounding, modern recordings, the more I want to go in the opposite direction, with less of everything in my home-studio den. There is alot of freedom in being an amateur. Cheers, and keep up the great work.
I actually thought about this these last couple of days. I've been listening to some music from different genres and it was the first time I really thought about the vocals, the first time I noticed that the vocals were really heavily compressed. And it sounds great!
Very insightful, thank you!
Thank you for your videos and insight! Really appreciate you mix cheat sheet as that really made a huge difference in a recent post-production of a "modern" Elvis tribute show. I adopted your techniques and was able to convert it and tailor it for the post-production. Even drum parallel compression which really worked as you described and demonstrated (from another video). Thanks for your work!
Awesome lesson. Thanks!
Great tutorial as usual by Jordan...I agree 100%...This is definitely the way to go!
Re-watched this AWESOME video on finishing a vocal with compression! It is an excellent tutorial which I will continue to remind of myself moving forward. Thanks alot and best!!!
Thank you so much, for this video that really has helped me to up my game as a producer. I’ve always used compressors of course, but I held back a little too much. Now vocal mixning has become a fun, and satisfying process, in stead of a time consuming pain. Im really greatful, Thank you 🙏😄
I knew the effect I was after years ago when I first started to work with a singer. I just didn't know how to achieve it. I even tried making her sing behind bubblewrap! I then discover compression and it all fell into place. Now I have discovered side chaining with reverb and delay my life is complete.
Bubble wrap 😂
You are truly the GOAT here on UA-cam especially for beginners like me who are just figuring out how to mix their own music. Appreciate this video so much!
I was STOKED when I saw the song you were working with was "Round You" by Jevani Sanders. Discovered him through another one of your videos, and I think it's great he's worked with you! What a killer combination. I'm only 50 seconds into the video but that alone has me hooked to watch the rest. Thanks for the killer content JV!
Yet another never green
The 1176 Bluey is my absolute favorite compressor for vocals (and almost everything else). Definitely agree with what you said about the attitude it brings to the vocals, specially when you smash it with 10+dB. Great video!
The bluey is great, I love it! When I see a deal on another one, I'm going to grab it.
I concur, man! Pushing EQ hard into the bluey is amazing. It's pretty much THE vocal sound.
dude i struggled for sooo long and most of the time just didnt know why my vocals wouldnt fit in with the rest of the song. This changed everything even though its sooo simple omg
I’ve always wondered this. Thank you!
Great tip. Thanks for sharing
two compressors that morphed my mixes: the OSS compressor from Analog Obsession & Crammit from Sixth Sample.. i recently did a vocal mix for an upcoming song featuring Bizarre, and Bizarre's vocals were already mixed and sounded pretty amazing. The mix i did for the other artist, who had recorded his vocals at my place, just weren't sitting right until I added Crammit. After minor tweaks in Crammit, the artists vocals were at the same mix quality that Bizarre's engineer had done. The OSS was already in the mix and made quite a difference but the addition of Crammit changed everything. Chances are, Bizarre's vocals were recorded on either the u87, the Telefunken ELA M 251E or the C-800G and my recordings were done on the NT1 lol and my mix sounded right up there with biz's mix once i added crammit and made a few tweaks.
I'm glad I found this video and thank you for making it. You're right. In my case, it's everything I've been doing plus carefully position serious compression. That smooth, mellow, polish, and garnish professional vocals have come from compression. This solves my problems. Can't wait to use this when I get artists with blessed vocals since I'm currently using my vocals and I'm no vocalist.
Can you improve without all that too? 😢
THANKS ! you are talented and professional !
This is BEAUTIFUL, thank you!
Sick lesson. Thanks for introducing me to introducing me to Jevani Sanders this little line been stuck in my head
Very enlightening. Thank you very much.
Amazing. Thank you for sharing what's really going on!
Wow, not only are you very musical, you are really good at explaining and teaching. Thank you sir.
Thankyou very much Jordan. This really helped me 🙌🤘🏻
Thank you for making this video, it helps a lot. Finally I know the key to improving my songs.
Thank you. Needed this
Great video, thank you!
Great clear example 👍
Thanks! Love your channel
It’s awesome that I found your page. I play in a couple rock bands and wanted to start recording myself to save money. I’ve been recording in my living room for about 2 years now, and I’ve found that I’ve naturally doing a lot of the things you advise, so it’s good to know that I’m on the right track. I’m gonna get into the automation tactics you mentioned and I’ve gone for your free tutorial as well. Thanks for making these videos.
I had to come back here and say thank you thank you thank you! This is one of the most helpful videos I've ever seen. I've been severely struggling with the vocals in an electronic song I made. After tons of trial and error, I had a deep feeling it was compression, but I was too scared to push it too hard. After seeing your video, I took a similar approach with my CLA76, SSL E Channel and CLA2a plugins. The vocals sit perfectly now and they sound so much more confident!!! Thank you!!!!
Thank you for this video ❤
This was very satisfying to watch as music engineer! Thank you!!!
You are an absolute legend!
Very good video. This really helps. Now we're on the right path.
Mann I really like that automation u did tbh 😅 super cool and informative video thanks for Sharin 😊
Great stuff. Thank you!
Cool bro. I tried all of your tutorials on reggaeton and trap eres el Mejor de youtube..thank you for imparting your knowledge with us....
Thank you for the video. I track analog before going into the box. Everything I track is compressed. Once in the box, everything will get compressed at least one more time via final multi- compression, while some tracks are individually compressed again an eq’d prior to any FX. Have recently been using multi compression on the individual kick and bass tracks. This has worked out well for me.
this is so good man! Thank you! :)
Thank you so much for explaining that in your video, mixing vocals make so much more sense for me now thank you !
I’m following you 😭thank you!!! 😩
I'm new to your channel but definitely gotta say thank you for the work you've done an info tou provided in this vid bro!!
Great video. It took me 13 years before I learned how to properly set up a compressor. My ears at first could'nt work out what it was doing. Once you can hear it you can get the balance of attack/relese dialed in, which is crucial.
Awesome video 🎹🎼👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
the most painful secret is the quality of the source. And it depends on the quality of the source code most of all. You can already listen to your vocals even without hanging anything❤
Mitigating room modes and ringing can do a lot already, together with other track cleaning.
TDR Nova GE with autopilot mode is one of the better tools to help you with this. Let it compute a solution, then back down with the ratio where it takes away too much energy.
There is a handful of EQs with a dynamic section and autodetection of problematic frequencies.
you CAN polish a turd... sometimes.. and to a lesser extent.
sometimes it takes a LOT of doing though lol
I’ve been looking for the ‘secret’ to pro vocals for 15 years and I still don’t really have it, at least not what I would call pro. The problem with pinning the compression, especially with plugins is it can get pretty brittle sounding. The vocals I like the sound of have punch but warmth also. Also, genre dependent - I think your example works for hard rock. But much less so for folk or jazz and even alot of pop.
The real secret of pro vocal is not compression but vocalist and performance. A great vocalist has a tone that as you apply compression pulls out the character. If your singer is average, compression will pull that out. The difference here is what really matters rather frustratingly.
@@jongriffin2608you’ve got it right my friend. I’m a rapper. When I compress my vocals on a really good take it just pulls that little character out. From there I get to decide how much of that character I want present. Sometimes I record vocals based on what I think they’ll sound like compressed. One of the perks of doing your own mixing and recording.
@@ToneSherpa You can! As long as things aren't recorded with like a 1998 desktop mic, you can pretty much polish anything. We have some magic for less than ideal things like drum replacement, getting guitar DI's for re-amping, etc. The source usually isn't the problem.
🎚🎵 Mind blown! This video completely shattered my preconceptions about mixing vocals. 🤯💥 The secret techniques revealed here are a total game-changer. 🙌🔥 Thank you for challenging the norms and pushing the boundaries of vocal production! 🎶✨ Can't wait to apply these newfound insights and create some pro-level magic! 🎤🎧💫
THIS! Is the secret I wanted to find for so long! Thank you, I finally can listen to my own voice and I kinda like it :D :D
thanks bro this tutorial helped me with my vocal mix so much🙂
Love it!!! Smash that vocal
Thank u! Very helpful!
I love your channel. very simple and straight to the point. I Mainly make hip hop, or more lofi sounding indie tracks. but I'm trying to broaden my reach into shoe gaze and other alternative rock genres. heavier music. but your tips help me out so much as a beginner engineer. and producer. thank you
Got my sub mate!! Sick of listening to people on you tube who don't have a clue, you seem like you know your stuff 👊
You won't realise how many people need this video, i spent six years wondering what the secret was and i recently found out myself that it was compression, coming into this video i took a guess and knew that was what you were gonna point out, Good stuff
I appreciate your wisdom. Thanks
Thanks for the vid, I've been trying to do less compression and focus on EQ more lately but my mixes have honestly been sounding worse. So going to go back to playing with more compression and see how it goes.
Also that dudes voice sounds so good. But I guess if you never tell me, I'll never know!
THANKS A LOT FOR THIS VIDEO!!!
this is an amazing video bro thank you so much
Appreciate it so much Sir!😁
Great explanation. Good tips. Liked and subbed. 🙏
Awesome vid man. Can you go over how you deal with the noise when you use this much compression?