"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
William Dettloff's biography of Ezzard Charles explains how *Ezzard was ducked by champions in both the Middleweight and Light heavyweight divisions. As a result, he fought in the Heavyweight division despite never being a true Heavyweight.* In 1937, at 16, Charles began boxing as an amateur. He soon won the 1937 Ohio AAU Welterweight championship, in 1938, he again won the state AAU amateur title as a Welterweight, and in 1939 he won the Ohio state Middleweight championship, and then the National Amateur Middleweight crown. In 1940 he turned pro as a 147 to 160 lb Middleweight, and by 1941 Charles had risen, by age 19, to be the number two contender for the world Middleweight title. But William Dettloff documents how *Charles was told bluntly that Tony Zale would never give him a title shot.* So Charles, a natural 147 to 160 lb Middleweight, was *"FORCED"* into the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division. As a Light heavyweight, he defeated Moore not once, not twice, but three times - and *Gus Lesnevich, the Light Heavyweight champion refused to give him a title shot.* So Charles was *"FORCED"* into the 175+lbs Heavyweight division. Low-power 182 lb Charles lost the title to Walcott by a seventh-round knockout in 1951. Ailing Charles tried to regain the Heavyweight Championship three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. *Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS. Charles was a spent force by that time.* - Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff *“The Heavyweight version of Charles,”* Dettloff sums up, *“would get a lot of good work done. But on the best day of his life, he was no more a Heavyweight than Ray Robinson. He never would be as good there as he was at Light heavy and below.”* - Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff *Post World War II for the next 15 years or so boxing was controlled by Mafia guys Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo. Both Walcott and Charles had mobbed managers, Walcott one Nick Bocchicchio and Charles a pair named Tom Tennas and Jacob Mintz. You did as they told you and you got the matches that you needed to advance into contender ranks.* - Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Whatever happened to HOF trainer Ray Arcel, Ezzard's trainer?? *"After some disputes with president Jim Norris* (#1 Mobster) *of the IBC in the 1950s, Ray Arcel retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by the police."* --Wiki ... *"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --written by the International Boxing Hall Of Fame ... ((Just another perfect example how Rocky's mafioso controlled every single facet of boxing during his post war drained era. How ironic Ray Arcel gets removed from the equation just before Ezzard has to fight Rocky.))
Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for *55* years. *Any questions about the validity then I'd suggest filing defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, all his trainers, Duva, Sugar and Dettloff.*
I see you mentiion a lot of guys who said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. I don't see anyone though who has any expertise in the field of medicine. Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree wit this medical evaluation
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@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c What hatred was spread? Can you give me one example? I know I spread a lot of truth. Some people were very upset with the truth.
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du Okay, Sonny lost those 2. Sonny had 5 career losses. What about little light heavyweight Moore and little light heavyweight Charles and little cruiserweight Walcott,, they had 68 losses and were KO'd 20 times. But no no no we don't ever wanna discuss their losses. Why is that??
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du *As a matter of Fact All of Rocky's opponents Combined lost Exactly (((753))) times!!! But Rocky fans will only discuss Everyone else's losses!!! Why is that?? It's clear as day,, the overwhelming majority of Rocky fans are Haters plain and simple!!!*
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
@@Robert_Levi_Miller WE ALWAYS WANT TO DISCUSS ROCKYS RESUME. HE DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS AND ALL THE TOP RANKED FIGHTERS. ROCKY KEPT THEM OUT OF THE HALL OF FAME..
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT ROCKY MARCIANO!!!* William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
And still you are factually unable to produce one, just one, example of a medical professional who agrees with this medical assessment of Charles. Hmmm. It is illogical and doesnt make sense. So why do you keep repeating it over and over and over again on your multitude of accounts? Could it be because it belittles Rocky? I can't think of any other reason, can you?
Joe Frazier would recall in his autobiography 'Smokin' Joe: The Autobiography of a Heavyweight Champion of the World,' that: “Quarry had an appeal that made the public snap up tickets, 'Why not? He was a good-looking Irish kid with a nice smile and an engaging boy-next-door manner.'' Both Ring magazine and Boxing Illustrated named Jerry the most popular professional boxer in the world in 1968 and 1969. Why not, he was their white hope. Unfortunately it didn't work out the way they'd hoped it would. That's why Rocky fans are throwing Jerry under the bus. Problem with Rocky though is he was way too small, that's why his legacy is dieing out fast. 5' 9" 184 lbs give me a break. Prime for prime Jerry KO's Rocky.
Rocky ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few. *It's no secret that Rocky's manager Al Weill worked for mafia boss Frankie Carbo. Rocky was very carefully managed, tomato can after tomato can. Fast forward to the end of his extremely short career and all that was left were has-beens. WWII Korea back to back. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.* He knew he'd eventually have to confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Chuvalo, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London and Pastrano just to name a few. *We all could have found out how little Rocky would have done against all these guys had he not "UP-N-QUIT" during his prime after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years. For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight and to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 41 year old named Archie Moore born "1913" wikipedia!* There's no way to sugarcoat it,, Rocky's 175 lb Heavyweight division was the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing history!
I'm really not seeing how Rocky ducked the guys mentioned. Take Curtis Sheppard for example. Sheppard had his last fight in January of 49. How did Rocky duck him? I don't understand that one at all
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Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
But...in the 2 biggest fights of his career...Liston S**T himself in front of the whole world. You can have all the skills that you've mentioned...but without heart...it doesn't mean a thing!
@@donnacushman7024*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:* Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it). Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny. Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused. WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny. WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny. Bob Baker declined too. So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!” Karl Mildenberger declined as well. Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight). Tommy Jackson refused. Doug Jones did too. Harold Carter did as well. So did Joe Erskine and Bob Cleroux. *That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.* *Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.* *On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.* *Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.* *Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.* *He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
@bobbyd1776his birth certificate was lost so his real age during most of his career was late thirties early forties he was a killer in his division Furthermore it was known that rocky was a duck as well, and that the mob protected his record and that large portions of it where padded out his best wins were against guys who were very old and at the tail end of their careers the up and coming killers he avoided
Why would a "bigger" fist do more damage on impact? All things being equal, a smaller surface would be more devastating!? Probably "old-school" fighters had "conditioned" hands (like the shins of Muay Thai fighters in Thailand maybe?) because they used to punch with gloves with basically no padding and so on....but I'm not even 100% sure of this "theory"! On a side note, the strength/power/resistence etc of boxers of bygone eras tend to be always exaggerated and all the related "stories" are embellished! Don't get me wrong, I love the boxing "lore" but I can't believe even half of that! If a 280 lbs, 6'6'' Zhilei Zhang managed to catch Rocky or Sonny "good" inside the first three rounds, it's curtains!
@@R.M.Smallman I agree. Not only 285 lb Zhang but 285 lb Bakole and 305 lb Miller. These 3 guys would literally destroy little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky within seconds. But all these Rocky fangirls act as if little Rocky was some kind of a boxing demigod who could destroy every Super Heavyweight with ease.
Read *Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff.* Charles already had symptoms of ALS (1951) long before he fought Rocky in 1954. How can anyone say he didn't if you have never read his biography? If a Rocky fan were to read a Rocky biography they'd hang on to every single word as if it were the holy grail.
Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree with this medical evaluation? It sure would help your cause. Perhaps Dettloff, when he wasn't writing books, was he also a doctor?
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@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c So you have noone in the medical profession who will agree with this medical evaluation. On the topic of when Charles contracted ALS I accept your Concession
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha! Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. *If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself: *“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."* Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame. After he fired Cus, Floyd faced: Muhammad Ali Sonny Liston Eddie Machen Henry Cooper Jimmy Ellis Oscar Bonavena Jerry Quarry George Chuvalo *"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* - Floyd Patterson (SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID) *Why did Marciano "UP-N-QUIT" during his prime after only (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years? Patterson fought from 1952 to 1972. Imagine Marciano having a normal 20 year career from 1948 to 1968? He would've had to face Cleveland Williams Johansson Patterson Liston Terrell Frazier Chuvalo Quarry Machen Folley Bonavena Ellis Jones Copper Spencer Miteff and Mildenberger just to name a few. For Pete's sake Marciano was only 31 his last fight and to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 41 year old named Archie Moore born "1913" wikipedia! Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
How to you figure that Marciano only fought 7 years? Every piece of evidence I find says he fought 8. He began his career in 1947, fought every year, and retired in 1955. 1955-1947= 8 years. If I'm wrong, please educate me on the issue. Now onto those guys you mention he eventually knew he would have to confront. I don't see that at all. None of them had accomplished anything of note in the HW division by the time Rocky retired. He would have no reason to know any of them. I also find it strange that you mentioned the names Chuvalo and Miteff. Lets take a closer look at the career of those guys. . Chuvalo made his pro debut on April 24, 1956. Alex Miteff made his debut 2 months later in June of 56, Why would Rocky know anything about these guys who hadn't even fought professionally at the time of his last fight?
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*"Joe Frazier decimated opponents with the left hook. George Foreman’s wrecking ball right hand struck fear into the heart of the Heavyweight division. Mike Tyson’s uppercut was as accurate as it was pulverizing. But for Larry Holmes, it was the stick, that face busting left jab that led to one of the most dominant title reigns the glamour division has ever seen."* - Tom Gray January 2020 Ring Magazine
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c Rocky hit harder than Joe Frazier with both hands!!! ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE. Who said it? EVERYONE WHO WATCHED HIM FIGHT. I had to work a man over but with Rocky they just wake up in the locker room. Jack Dempsey. He hit harder than anyone even max smelling. Joe Louis. He had the hardest punch I ever saw! Floyd Patterson and Bert Suger. ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE INCLUDING SHAVERS Don Turner...
@@Liam_Barlowe Well in the annals of Boxing. What Larry Holmes said about Rocky Marciano not being a good enough Boxer to carry his Shorts is Demonstrably True. It's also true Larry Holmes was Robbed twice By the White establishment in the Michael Spinks fight. Larry Holmes was robbed to punish him for saying. Rocky Marciano was Not a very good fighter and Highly overrated. I love your comments 💯❗
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Yes you are correct. However his hardest fights were against very old blown up light heavyweight fighters, Walcott, Charles ( who was in the early stages of MS) and Moore. The combined winning percentage of Marciano's opponents was 27 percent the lowest of any HW champ. Had he come around in the 60s,70s,80s or 90s he would have won a few fights at heavyweight but he would have noway been dominant. Now if he could have gotten down to 175 or been a cruiserweight, I'm fairly certain Rocky would have been a top 5 all time. The problem is ( I'm quoting Larry Merchant) " the big men are bigger and there a way more of them". I just see no way he could get past Liston,Ali,Norton, Holmes, Frazier, Lennox, either Klitchko brother, Lewis, Mercer, Ruddock. He may have given Evander or Tyson a tough 2 or 3 rounds but he would have been steamrolled inside of 5 . Also he would never have beaten Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson or Louis. A prime Dempsey was barely a step above a caveman. A prime Louis gives any heavyweight a hard way to go and Johnson could beat guys with his jab.
@@Steve_Whitlock You forget about Dempsey and Louis and their will to win. Also Gene Tunney retired as undefeated HW champ, he never lost at heavyweight .
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.. Even Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* -@ Rare Archie Moore Interview LH Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times! LH Moore lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times! *LH Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated Hall of Fame All Time Great Michael Spinks 'NEVER LOST'!!!*
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years 1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 PROFESSIONAL Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, and March in 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky goes back to the amateurs)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 (Rocky goes back to pro) Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano.. Don Cuoco and Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson because once Pro you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49* Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Matthews fought *(103)* times...little Rocky quit at *49* LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Layne fought *(70)* times............little Rocky quit at *49* Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times Layne Lost *(17)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times *Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Miller Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little opponents to have a combined ((753)) losses!!!* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- *6* Johnson --- *11* *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
I'm looking at the stats you use in regards to career lengths, You have a lot of errors. Lets take a look. 1. You claim Rocky only fought 7 years! He didn't 2. You claim Louis bravely fought 17 years! He didn't. 3. You claim Charles bravely fought 20 years! He didn't. 4. You claim Walcott bravely fought 23 years! He didn't I could go on and on but the point is clear. You are wrong. A lot. And always wrong in a way that denigrates Rocky. How would you explain that?
@@originalBobbyd *Someone (you) just lost their 4 year account for spamming constant hatred. Thousands and thousands of comments simply vanished in a blink of an eye. Someone (you) is now working around the clock desperately trying to save face with his brand new 1 day old account LMFAO* 😂
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c Still waiting to hear 1, just 1 example of any hatred I spread. Cant do it can you? However, I can give you many examples of constant truth I posted. Some people, however, just can't handle the truth
Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. The last undisputed Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lennox avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his losses, he said, *"It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style,"* and *"Show me a Heavyweight champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."* In my opinion Lennox Lewis is the GOAT. To hear 58 year old Lennox talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable. The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: *Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant and WBC International HW champion David Tua* [[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]] *Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson* How many prime topnotch genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight and 224+lbs Super Heavyweight Champions did little 184 lb Rocky fight? Imagine little Rocky trying to fight topnotch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 86" albatross wingspans and 30 to 100 lb weight advantages? *If size don't matter why* *hasn't there been another* *184 lb Heavyweight champion* *since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?* I'm sorry Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then bcz it sure as hell ain't today. It's no wonder Emanuel Steward, an American boxer, trainer, and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
EVANDER HOLYFIELD WAS 175 LBS AND HE COULD HAVE FOUGHT ANYONE. ROCKY AND HIS OPPONENTS WERE 100 PERCENT NATURAL UNLIKE all the fighters you named. ROCKY WAS 210 LBS. THE SAME SIZE AS ERNIE SHAVERS AND JOE FRAIZER. LIKE HIS OPPONENTS THEY DIETED ALMOST RELIGIOUSLY TO BE AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY BOXED. THEY DIDN'T HIUG IT OUT, THEY BOXED. BOXING HAS GIVEN UP OVER 100 LBS IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION AND THE SMALLER GUY WON.
@bobbyd1776 man that's no shit! I've begun to realize this racist, afrocentrists trolling clown is literally the biggest liar I have ever encountered. He can't speak without lying.
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c soft spoken lennox Lewis. HOW GAY YOU ARE. Lennox was the most cocky,arrogant jerk of all. He also got his Azz kicked twice but BUMS and was hurt in many many fights. Look at him before steroids. Bean pole.
Lewis was knocked out by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. Was he taking these fights seriously? I would sincerely hope so seeing how these fights were for the HW title
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c Was Lewis knocked out by both Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall? If he was then how are Rocky fans degrading Lennox they are merely speaking the truth
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more.. Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing." Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa" And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny." Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!" Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen." "However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford. “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches." “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out." In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers. “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
@@Liam_Barlowe LMFAO. no one reads anything you write. You make up shit boy. You don't understand the times and the fighters. EVERYONE FOUGHT EVERYONE OVER AND OVER! THEY DIDNT CHERRY PICK FIGHTS LIKE TODAY AND AVOID EACH OTHER. HOLMES LOST TO LITTLE SPINKS. ALI LOST TO A SPINKS. VITALI LOST TO CHRIS BYRD. ROY JONES JR BEAT RUIZ AS A MIDDLE WEIGHT. SO WHAT. ANYONE CAN BEAT ANYONE. BOX ONCE IN YOUR SN LIFE BOY THEM YOU CAN SPEAk.
@@Liam_BarloweOPINIONS ? your entire RACIST shit show is opinions, lies and manipulations. Racist rocky haters refuse facts and Cherry pick words and numbers. When you can't find or manipulate information you just make it up. ROCKY DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS. HE CLEANED OUT The DIVISION. GET OVER IT. EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT ROCKY including JOE LOUIS SAID HE WAS THE HARDEST PUNCHER EVER.
Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years. Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses -- Puritty in 98,, Sanders in 03,, Brewster in 04 -- than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back to back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40. He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches with an 81 inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly. For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.
Wladimir Klitschko dominated Brewster through the course of the first four rounds, sending him to the canvas in the fourth; however, things turned around unusually fast in the fifth when Klitschko began tiring and Brewster's punches began backing him up. Not defending himself and leaning into ropes for support, Klitschko took a standing eight count. On unsteady legs, Klitschko fell to the canvas after the bell and the referee stopped the fight for his safety. When talking about the fight, Emmanuel Steward said: "Wladimir was in incredible shape. I've never seen anything like this in my career. I know what it looks like when a boxer is getting hurt from punches. There was definitely something else that caused problems for Wladimir". Shortly after the fight Klitschko was rushed into hospital. An examination showed Klitschko's blood sugar level almost two times higher than the permissible norm. According to members of Klitschko's team, the doctor told them that Klitschko had been "inches away" from falling into a diabetic coma, and that with blood sugar level that high, Klitschko would've been incapable of handling a single proper training session. After returning from the examination to the hotel, he fell ill with nausea, followed by physical weakness. On 12 April, he arrived in Las Vegas and donated blood and urine samples for an independent examination, which was supposed to be done by Donald Katlin, who specialized in such cases. The examination showed no signs of anabolic steroids in his blood, but Katlin suggested that Klitschko could have been poisoned with Haloperidol. The drug has no taste or smell and causes mental disorders, which are accompanied by impaired coordination, a weakening reaction and overall physical weakness. Following the results, Klitschko demanded the tests taken by the Medical Center of South Nevada and the Nevada Quest Diagnostics to be passed on to Dr. Robert Wow for further research, but the A sample had already been disposed of, while the B sample, which was supposed to be stored for years, disappeared. As a result of the circumstances that surrounded the fight, FBI started an investigation. Judd Bernstein, the lawyer representing Klitschko, suggested that he was a victim of an ongoing fight fixing in Las Vegas (which also included fraudulent medical reports), which was investigated by FBI at the time. Bernstein, along with some other journalists, pointed out that in the last 48 hours before the beginning of the fight, the betting odds in favor of Klitschko rapidly dropped from 11-to-1 to 3 1/2 to-1. According to journalist Keith Teixeira, a group of approximately 40 people associated with Brewster's manager Sam Simon bet from $50,000 to $100,000 on Brewster's victory. Members of Klitschko's team also pointed out that shortly before the fight, a security camera recorded a moment when two people entered Klitschko's booth and were there for four minutes. These people had badges, but weren't members of Wladimir's team. Wladimir's brother Vitali claimed that during registration of the boxer and his team, the card that belonged to Emmanuel Steward's assistant had already been registered on someone else, and that such card would allow its owner to enter any sporting hall in the building.
@@samuelstyles5031 what a load of crap, they KOed most everyone they fought and people love KO’s. You’re boring with your repetitiveness and your posts KO nobody. I loved watching them fight.
*Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua threw 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Super Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226 lb Tua's record stood at 27-0 23 KO's while 236 lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0 12 KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.* *21 months later, 245 lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up and coming Super Heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was now 20-0 with 15 KO's and only 26 years old.* (Byrd would later become two-time Heavyweight champion). *No Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power, fierce determination and no fear of anybody. He believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils.* *((To claim little Marciano's endurance was better than everyone else's endurance is not only laughable but absurd and Super Heavyweights Ibeabuchi/Tua just proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers! The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is absolute nonsense. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke. Little 184 lb Marciano gets flattened by the 245 lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!))*
Rocky threw one punch and had no idea what a combination was. He was mafia controlled and he was beaten once it just was a bad decision by the judges, see mafia controlled comment
Larry Holmes made 20 defenses of the Heavyweight title over a seven year reign. Holmes is considered to have the best jab in history. He could use it as an offensive weapon to make openings for his slashing right hand. Larry possessed a rock hard chin, huge heart, and excellent stamina. He fought pro from 73 to 02. That's 29 years. He was 52. Rocky only fought 7 years and was only 31 when he Quit. Little Rocky would have to fight 22 more years to catch Larry. *"If you really want to get technical about the whole thing, Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap."* - Larry Holmes
6' 5" 235 lb Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, as you please. He would have been a stern test for any fighter who ever lived. Bowe was the first boxer to beat prime Holyfield and the only one to actually knock him out. After Bowe gave Holyfield his first loss, making him champion, he built a mansion and lost all interest in boxing. Bowe was finished long before the Golata fights. Trainer Eddie Futch said, *"Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known."* Prime Riddick smashes little Rocky 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!
You never know..Marciano was known to have bone-crushing power, incredible stamina and a granite chin..He was small like Tyson..5' 10" but the three traits above gave him a good chance against anyone. That being said Bowe was a great champ and a helluva fighter in his prime.
@@Robert_Levi_Miller Around 1955, Rocky Marciano had his punch measured at a USA military installation, where it is believed that the test was conducted on a ballistic pendulum. Rocky achieved a score of 925 foot-pounds whilst wearing a 12oz. boxing glove. Those who witnessed the test could hardly believe what they had seen.
Little Rocky's style will play into Liston’s Giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Rocky and also has height weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup as he won’t have to go looking for Rocky. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Rocky's 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Marciano gets flattened faster than Patterson!
Sonny Liston was a quitter. He got a little lumped up by little thin light hitting Muhammad Ali cried look at him on his stool. He’s crying he’s a little lumped up Rocky would break his soul Rocky Marciano doesn’t have to prove list and has to prove in both of Lon’s biggest moments on the world stage, he shit the bed totally shit the bed. Liston has to prove he can perform in a big fight but he couldn’t when it counted.
*Vitali Klitschko 6' 7″ 250 lbs KOs 87% with 80" reach only lost twice due to horrible cut and torn rotator cuff. He never hit the canvas and was never behind on judges scorecards after the 2nd round. He had excellent power with granite chin and great determination with PhD-intelligence. Vitali would have been a Huge factor in any era. Prime Vitali puts little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky into a nursing home, permanently.*
@@axia6372 he listed quite a few boxers that would have destroyed Rocky so call it what you will. Just cause now it’s a Klitschko, you hater boys have to come out of the woodwork
*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:* Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it). Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny. Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused. WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny. WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny. Bob Baker declined too. So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!” Karl Mildenberger declined as well. Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight). Tommy Jackson refused. Doug Jones did too. Harold Carter did as well. So did Joe Erskine and Bob Cleroux. *That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.* *Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.* *On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.* *Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.* *Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.* *He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
Student. Great comment. I’m 58. My dad used to say everyone crapped their pants with Liston. He said his jab was like a piston. He could never be convinced the 2 Ali fights weren’t fixed.
I’m from Bayonne. Wepner didn’t duck Sonny. Chuck was Sonny’s last fight. Went 9 rounds. 10-round fight. I’d work out at the YMCA while Chuck was there. He was good friends with my dad, who boxed and who was a longshoreman then a detective then a bar owner. I’m sure he and Chuck, who was a liquor salesman, talked about Liston. Chuck trained at Buffano’s in Jersey City. Liston would train there from time to time. I’m sure they sparred.
I saw all of his televised fights that exist on film and I saw all his fights in person in M.S.G. I sat ringside for Quarry v Shavers, Frazier, Lyle, Chuvalo but the one that amazed me the most was his KO over Shavers.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more.. Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing." Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa" And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny." Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!" Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen." "However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford. “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches." “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out." In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers. “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
Jerry Quarry was my favorite boxer during my teen years. He was a very talented boxer and a charismatic person. It was terrible to see this fine athlete deteriorate as he did. Nonetheless, he provided sports fans with many exciting and memorable moments in what was a very competitive era in heavyweight boxing history. Lastly, I do not believe that he could have beaten Rocky Marciano.
@@SamuelJohnYoungIII 178 to 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano There it is. Y'all are intelligent enough to make your own judgement about Rocky's *F-LEVEL* resume. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. To continue claiming he was the Greatest or even top 10 Greatest Heavyweight is absurd. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight *"Name one, just one 'Prime' all time great boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore Louis was 'Prime' when they fought him?"*
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself: *“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."* Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame. After he fired Cus, Floyd faced: Muhammad Ali Sonny Liston Eddie Machen Henry Cooper Jimmy Ellis Oscar Bonavena Jerry Quarry George Chuvalo *"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* (SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID) Marciano knew he'd have to eventually confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis just to name a few. *EVERYBODY coulda found out how Marciano woulda done against all these guys had he not Up-n-Quit so abruptly after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years. For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.*
I've only lately come across Jerry Quarry as I was a little too young to remember him at his best. I'm glad to have seen some of his fights. What an exciting and skillfull fighter. May he rest in peace.
The night Jerry outboxed Ron Lyle was Jerry at his best .After that Foreman would not give hom a shot.Also Jerry fought Joe Frazier 2 with a brolen left hand which he got in his fight with Shavers I saw his left hand at his training camp being wrapped by Gill Clancy.. The middle knucle was extremly disdended and he had no power. with the left hook in the second Frazier fight.
That's correct. Jerry literally gave his life to the sport of boxing. Disregard all the haters. They're all Rocky fangirls. Prime for prime Jerry woulda KO'd Rocky.
I like Quarry. I remember him when I was a kid and having dabbled in boxing myself and consider myself a decent historian of the sport, no way Quarry beats Marciano. I don't know why people always say Quarry was a talented fighter. He was easy to hit, so he was not a good boxer, and he only KO'D 32 out of 53, Marciano 43 out of 49. Quarry had 9 losses 6 by Ko, Marciano 0 losses. Marciano was the best-conditioned heavyweight in history. He could throw non-stop punches for 15 rounds. That would have been too much for Quarry. Was Quarry a talented fighter? No, he was a very tough fighter with a tremendous heart. Was Marciano a talented fighter? No, he was a tough fighter with tremendous heart, superbly conditioned and a great puncher with both hands.
You are right especially if he went toe to toe like he did with frazier.His best strategy would have been would have been to box, stick and move and counter punch. The problem is quarry had a stamina problem, getting tired in later rounds and Rocky would eventually land one.
I disagree. I think you're under valuing Quarry's ring skills. He could not only hit hard, but he could counterpunch and box fairly well. Check out his fight with Ron Lyle. Problem was that in some fights, he wasn't in top condition. Like the Norton fight where Jerry had hardly any training for, but took it for the money. Norton, on the other hand, was in peak shape. I think that Quarry would've given Marciano a good fight. Clearly, we'll never know who wins such a bout, but I'd give the edge to Quarry. That is if Jerry was in the same condition he was in for Lyle and Shavers. Also, I'd add that Quarry's opposition was tougher. Cheers.
That actually says rocky was good for him to even acknowledge him. Why is it when Joe Fraizer and Ali say rocky was better than them you never quote them? Holmes says Mike Tyson was too small. LMFAO he destroyed Holmes. He didn't have a chance of rocky like the commentator of this video said.
Not a chance not a chance, Jerry Cory I never knew you said that till now not even a chance easy pickings you couldn’t handle Frasier and Fraser only had a threat on one side think of an elite level athlete of a major league baseball player, and he only asked to look for one pitch from a major league pitcher that was Frasier. You only had to look for one pitch the left side that’s it. You couldn’t even get close to getting by him. Rocky Marciano was a two fisted attack much more lethal than FrasierCory, you were a good fighter not a great fighter a fighter your best day Rocky with a blue blue
@@Liam_Barlowe LMFAO!!!! He PAID FOR EVERYONES EXPENSES!!! HE BURIED JOE LOUIS AND GAVE HIM MONEY THE REST OF HIS LIFE. HE PAID VINGO AND EZZARD CHARLES EXPENSES. HE ONLY RETIRED BECAUSE HE DISCOVERED HIS MANAGER WAS TAKING HALF HIS MONEY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS BECAUSE HE DID A CHARITY FOR A CHURCH BUT HIS MANAGER STILL CHARGED A FEE..
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du u know absolutely nothing about Rocky. He didn't pay anyone's expenses. Don't believe? Ask Rocky's nephew above. It's one thing to defend Rocky but it's another when u must continuously lie.
Jerry Quarry would be a small cruiserweight today a weight class that didn't exist in his day. Jerry beat Ron Lyle Earnie Shavers Buster Mathis Mac Foster Floyd Patterson.
Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
Rocky would have Broke this guy up and knock him out in the later rounds. Rocky's conditioning was unreal, he would be fighting just as hard in the 10th round as the 1st. Very few fighters could stay with him. He had a unique awkward style that actually took advantage of his short arms and he hit like a jackhammer. He would spend 3hrs a day hitting a custom made 250 lb Heavy Bag while training for fights.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
Hall of Fame and All Time Greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
The U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Sonny Liston's wallop. Its findings: *"Liston's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than a 50 caliber armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 2,000 pounds one foot off the ground."* - Ring Magazine 1959
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Jerry Quarry gave his all in the ring during a time when you had some of the greatest heavyweights of all time AT THE SAME TIME at their peaks …Quarry fought 3 of the best in Ali, Frazier and later Norton. Joe Frazier when asked about Quarry said “Jerry came to FIGHT!” Jerry was the first of the white hopes since Marciano and was followed up decades later by Cooney. ***If you could’ve packaged Jerry’s ability to FIGHT with Cooney’s size and hitting power the dreams of all of those fans clamoring for a white heavyweight champ would’ve come true. >The closest to that was Gerrie Coetzee who KO’d Dokes in 1983 …Coetzee didn’t fully fill the void because he was South African.
Chuvalo was before Quarry. His record was not as good but after the Doug Jones KO he was the first White hope for fighting Ali before being outpointed by Floyd at MSG.
I think Quarry might have beaten Marciano. Jerry was a bit bigger and just as strong. Marciano fought in an era with very little talent, while Quarry fought in the greatest era ever.
I'm not sure Quarry would have beaten Marciano but I think Marciano would have had a difficult time if he'd fought in Quarry's era. I don't think Marciano would have been champion in Quarry's era.
Quarry's biggest drawback was his management. I think his father managed him. He was allowed to spar without head protection. This accounts for his later dementia. Folks don't realize these guys are boxing every day in training against some tough partners. They also employed some stupid strategy like trying to out box a boxer in the Ellis fight and trying to out slug Frazier in that one. I would have had him stick and move against Frazier. I would never have allowed him to fight Frazier the second time. I imagine that too did damage. Who told him to take a rest in the Chuvalo fight and wait until nine?
@@josephshields2922 Yeah fighting Frazier the second time went just exactly the way it went the first time. I also wonder why anybody thought it would go differently. And yeah you're right Quarry's corner should have had him box Frazier and maul Ellis.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
Quarry was a very good fighter. He had good power in both hands, moved well and had an iron chin. His biggest weakness was his defense .... or lack thereof. He tended to "pose" too often thus taking too many unnecessary shots over his career. In one way his iron chin was terrific, but that strength also led to his long-term downfall.
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers, “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Quarry would have ruled the 1950s heavyweight divison. He had good hand speed, a great chin and a high ring IQ. With no 210 pound quality heavyweights around, who would stop him?
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"
Marcianos wins began with his training regime. He wore down bigger smarter heavyweights like Chaeles and Walcott with sheer determination and fitness which overwhelmed his opponents late in the fights. And he was always outweighed.
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
I believe Rocky would have won, because as great as his punching power was, his stamina and toughness were even greater. But I would not say Quarry doesn't have a chance, because Jerry did so well in his career against some of the most dangerous ko punchers the heavyweight division has ever had. His wins over Shavers, Lyle, and Foster when those three looked liked Killers in their prime spoke volumes of Quarry's ability to beat the best. Even money I take Rocky. Give me good betting odds and I would take a chance on Quarry
@@jasondierbeck4392 Nah, I disagree. Rocky is overrated. All hype. Everyone can clearly see him fight. Miller Bakole Zhang would destroy the tiny Plodder within seconds.
@@jasondierbeck4392 *I know, i know, Rocky fans still believe that little 184 lb Rocky with tiny flyweight reach could beat every Super Heavyweight that ever existed with ease because he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,000 teeth and ruptured 792 blood vessels. And of course how can we possibly forget the 22 opponent's he killed with his 'Suzie Q' 44 magnum. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god because when he walked the earth shook.*
Jerry was a very, very good fighter in an era of great ones. But the reality is Marciano would have destroyed him. Remember prime Quarry only fought a draw against Patterson. Quarry and Bonavena would have been a good matchup, too bad it never came off. Marciano was stronger, tougher, had better stamina, and hit harder. But Jerry was tough and had there been a cruiserweight divsion in his day he would have been champ for a decade.
Jerry knocked out Earnie Shavers in the first round. The fights with Patterson were early in his career. I don't know who would have won if Jerry fought Rocky, but prime Jerry would have given Rocky all he could handle.
@@josephshields2922 Jerry fought Ellis with a bad back which was stupid to do. He still kept it close. He needed surgery a week after the fight. He would have won a rematch IMO
@@stuartperry1047 Chuvalso scored a legit knockdown over Jerry, if not a legit kayo. If Chuvalo could hurt Jerry, Rocky would have finished him. Rocky hit much harder than Chuvalo and unlike George he threw punches in bunches.
Archie Moore decked Rocky. Archie was a light heavyweight. You can't judge a fighter by who knocked him down. Oscar Bonavena knocked Joe Frazier down twice- and lost. Joe never decked Oscar. Joe knocked Ali down and won the first fight. Joe got knocked down 6 times in his first fight with Foreman. Big George knocked him out. Ali knocked George out, but he was never able to knock Frazier down in 3 fights. Jerry had a strong chin.I think he was only knocked down 3 times, and he fought some rough guys.
I saw Jerry fight Chuvalo at the Garden and Joe Alexander at the Nassau Coliseum. I was ringside for the Chuvalo fight as a guest of former welterweight Freddie Menna. Jerry was beating Chuvalo handily till the knockdown. Jerry didn't have a problem with the bigger slower heavyweights like Lyle, Foster and Shavers. The guys with great hand speed like Ali and Frazier gave him big problems. RIP Jerry
I happen to be a big fan of Jerry Quarry. Liked his style, his guts & Irish determination. But, I've seen his fights & I doubt he could've defeated the likes of Rocky Marciano. Jerry was a bleeder. He lost some of his most important fights with lots of fight spirit still in his fists & standing -- but he was stopped by a TKO. Rocky Marciano would not have been a good idea unless Jerry got really lucky early & KO artists like Jersey Joe Walcott & Ezzard Charles failed. Rocky's endurance, stamina & strength was overwhelming. He trained much harder than average heavyweights & that was the key everyone seems to forget. He was fresh even in the late rounds (Look at the Walcott fight). That's scary & during the fight, he always came forward with fists firing away and with speed. You seldom see this today. He never clinches or allows it. Never appears tired. Quarry would have the heart to fight Rocky & the experience -- especially doing well in the early rounds -- but he wouldn't have the resilience once he started getting hit with those solid Marciano punches. Even Roland LaStarza admitted that wherever Rocky hit it hurt (Joe Louis echoed the same thing a few years later). Marciano sent LaStarza, a formidable puncher at the time, to the hospital with broken bones in his face after knocking him out of the ring. It makes me sad what happened to Jerry Quarry. This is a boxer deserving of the heavyweight crown. He was a great fighter. Gave Ali a lot of trouble & Ali gave him chances. Peculiar, that Sonny Liston who was still fighting at the time never signed on the dotted line to meet Jerry Quarry. Just a thought.
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%. Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%. Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
@@Robert_Levi_Miller That’s rubbish .. Lewis making excuses for himself.. Rocky fought all comers .. say one would have beaten him in different eras is hypothetical or fought nobodies .. one could counter that argument & say “that’s how good he was”
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent. "Liston was a different breed; what a specimen." - Cus D'Amato
Emanuel Steward was an American boxer, trainer and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career. What did Emanuel have to say about Marciano? He said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
I've always loved Quarry, he was unlucky in timing I guess you'd say. He was much better than several fighter's who luckily got the belt for a fight or 2, which I believe he very well could have done. That said, because of mentality and conditioning, there's no chance he beats a Rocky Marciano who came on similar to Frazier, but hit harder and was more conditioned.
Of all the men that Qarry lost to, the only ones that I think that he would not have ever beaten were Ali and frazier. I felt that after the second Frazier loss he really was then finished. I think that he could have beaten Norton in Jerry's prime. Also even at the time when I was only like 12 yrs old, could not understand why he went after Frazier, and not for a rematch with Jimmy Ellis. Like the one man above says about Quarry, he should be in the IBHOF, so should Ellis. I don't think that he would have beaten Marciano, but it is possible that when Floyd Patterson was champ in the late 50's, he might have been able to defeat Paterson.
Saw just about all his fights. Very talented, strong, tough, and he had skills. If they would have had cruiser wt then he would have been the title holder for as long as he wanted. A chin of granite, and a left hook as good as Joe F. And Jerry was a small hwt especially by today's standards. And I agree totally he rarely got the credit he deserved. If you want to see one of his best fights watch the Ron Lyle JQ fight. Jerry displayed all his skills in that fight and beat Ron L by decision. Jerry said after the fight I outslicked him, yup, and out boxed out slugged the slugger.
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking. 1962: In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the #1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th. 1971: In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most famous historian and also editor and founder of Ring magazine named Marciano as the 10th greatest Heavyweight champion of all-time. 1998: Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever. 2005: We float around to 2005 and Marciano was named the 5th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the International Boxing Research Organization. 2007: In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis and Jack Johnson. 2023: We skip to modern day, and somehow he's been bumped up to 3rd. Will he one day be greater than Ali??? It's easy to see Rocky's progression. The key is understanding why? Despite his perfect record against the weakest and smallest Heavyweight division of all-time Rocky was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 1960's and 1970's. So why did he climb from 10th in 1971 to 3rd today? Bcz the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 1972. They all started passing away including Rocky in 1969. That's when his fame really started to grow. After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where little 184 lb Rocky could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease.
Lets take a look at your theory that time tends to boost a fighters ranking. Lets take guys like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, and Jack Johnson. Has time given those fighters ranking a boost? If your theory is correct, it definitely would and they would widely be considered the 3 best HW's of all time. After all, much more time has passed since their career ended than Rocky. .
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Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso Harvard's only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown, and *"gauge"* means *"to make a judgement."* So there it is, a deceptive, distorted, misleading and untruthful story about our military building a gizmo inorder to test his punching power and all along it was a hometown teacher *"writing"* a story about his hometown hero. *(The bullshirt never stops does it, 5' 9" 178 to 188 lbs lmfao.)* Even today it's mathematically impossible to test someone's punching power. They tried with UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou and recently found out the PowerKube (gizmo) was inaccurate.
"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
"Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
"Sonny Liston's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson
That's because Roberto Duran wasn't a heavyweight. That's freaking scary.
William Dettloff's biography of Ezzard Charles explains how *Ezzard was ducked by champions in both the Middleweight and Light heavyweight divisions. As a result, he fought in the Heavyweight division despite never being a true Heavyweight.*
In 1937, at 16, Charles began boxing as an amateur. He soon won the 1937 Ohio AAU Welterweight championship, in 1938, he again won the state AAU amateur title as a Welterweight, and in 1939 he won the Ohio state Middleweight championship, and then the National Amateur Middleweight crown.
In 1940 he turned pro as a 147 to 160 lb Middleweight, and by 1941 Charles had risen, by age 19, to be the number two contender for the world Middleweight title. But William Dettloff documents how *Charles was told bluntly that Tony Zale would never give him a title shot.* So Charles, a natural 147 to 160 lb Middleweight, was *"FORCED"* into the 160 to 175 lb Light heavyweight division.
As a Light heavyweight, he defeated Moore not once, not twice, but three times - and *Gus Lesnevich, the Light Heavyweight champion refused to give him a title shot.* So Charles was *"FORCED"* into the 175+lbs Heavyweight division.
Low-power 182 lb Charles lost the title to Walcott by a seventh-round knockout in 1951. Ailing Charles tried to regain the Heavyweight Championship three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. *Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS. Charles was a spent force by that time.* - Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff
*“The Heavyweight version of Charles,”* Dettloff sums up, *“would get a lot of good work done. But on the best day of his life, he was no more a Heavyweight than Ray Robinson. He never would be as good there as he was at Light heavy and below.”* - Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff
*Post World War II for the next 15 years or so boxing was controlled by Mafia guys Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo. Both Walcott and Charles had mobbed managers, Walcott one Nick Bocchicchio and Charles a pair named Tom Tennas and Jacob Mintz. You did as they told you and you got the matches that you needed to advance into contender ranks.* - Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Ooooo you don’t like rocky do you.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
Rocky pounded you relentlessly.....endless cardio, endless fury, all champion.
Rocky KO's Jerry within 7 rounds. Jerry was tough but Rocky was tougher.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Whatever happened to HOF trainer Ray Arcel, Ezzard's trainer?? *"After some disputes with president Jim Norris* (#1 Mobster) *of the IBC in the 1950s, Ray Arcel retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by the police."* --Wiki ... *"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --written by the International Boxing Hall Of Fame ... ((Just another perfect example how Rocky's mafioso controlled every single facet of boxing during his post war drained era. How ironic Ray Arcel gets removed from the equation just before Ezzard has to fight Rocky.))
Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate,
too many reputable witnesses.
Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for *55* years.
*Any questions about the validity then I'd suggest filing defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, all his trainers, Duva, Sugar and Dettloff.*
I see you mentiion a lot of guys who said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. I don't see anyone though who has any expertise in the field of medicine. Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree wit this medical evaluation
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@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c What hatred was spread? Can you give me one example? I know I spread a lot of truth. Some people were very upset with the truth.
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"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali
@@Studentofsweetscience LMFAO!!!! the guy who quit In both fights, PAID OFF BY MOB.
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du Okay, Sonny lost those 2. Sonny had 5 career losses. What about little light heavyweight Moore and little light heavyweight Charles and little cruiserweight Walcott,, they had 68 losses and were KO'd 20 times. But no no no we don't ever wanna discuss their losses. Why is that??
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du *As a matter of Fact All of Rocky's opponents Combined lost Exactly (((753))) times!!! But Rocky fans will only discuss Everyone else's losses!!! Why is that?? It's clear as day,, the overwhelming majority of Rocky fans are Haters plain and simple!!!*
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
@@Robert_Levi_Miller WE ALWAYS WANT TO DISCUSS ROCKYS RESUME.
HE DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS AND ALL THE TOP RANKED FIGHTERS.
ROCKY KEPT THEM OUT OF THE HALL OF FAME..
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Rocky was relentless and fought with brutal fury.....a champions desire to win at all costs.....and the perfect gentleman outside of the ring.
Rocky beats Jerry. Jerry did have some great wins though.
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was mafia controlled. Jerry takes him
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT ROCKY MARCIANO!!!*
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
And still you are factually unable to produce one, just one, example of a medical professional who agrees with this medical assessment of Charles. Hmmm. It is illogical and doesnt make sense. So why do you keep repeating it over and over and over again on your multitude of accounts? Could it be because it belittles Rocky? I can't think of any other reason, can you?
Joe Frazier would recall in his autobiography 'Smokin' Joe: The Autobiography of a Heavyweight Champion of the World,' that: “Quarry had an appeal that made the public snap up tickets, 'Why not? He was a good-looking Irish kid with a nice smile and an engaging boy-next-door manner.''
Both Ring magazine and Boxing Illustrated named Jerry the most popular professional boxer in the world in 1968 and 1969. Why not, he was their white hope. Unfortunately it didn't work out the way they'd hoped it would. That's why Rocky fans are throwing Jerry under the bus. Problem with Rocky though is he was way too small, that's why his legacy is dieing out fast. 5' 9" 184 lbs give me a break. Prime for prime Jerry KO's Rocky.
Rocky ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few. *It's no secret that Rocky's manager Al Weill worked for mafia boss Frankie Carbo. Rocky was very carefully managed, tomato can after tomato can. Fast forward to the end of his extremely short career and all that was left were has-beens. WWII Korea back to back. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.* He knew he'd eventually have to confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Chuvalo, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London and Pastrano just to name a few. *We all could have found out how little Rocky would have done against all these guys had he not "UP-N-QUIT" during his prime after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years. For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight and to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 41 year old named Archie Moore born "1913" wikipedia!* There's no way to sugarcoat it,, Rocky's 175 lb Heavyweight division was the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing history!
You are confused. How many head blows have you absorbed? 😂
I'm really not seeing how Rocky ducked the guys mentioned. Take Curtis Sheppard for example. Sheppard had his last fight in January of 49. How did Rocky duck him? I don't understand that one at all
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Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
What’s even scarier is that we never seen a prime Liston his birth certificate was lost so most of his career he was in late thirties early fourties
Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
But...in the 2 biggest fights of his career...Liston S**T himself in front of the whole world. You can have all the skills that you've mentioned...but without heart...it doesn't mean a thing!
@@donnacushman7024*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:*
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it).
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Baker declined too.
So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!”
Karl Mildenberger declined as well.
Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight).
Tommy Jackson refused.
Doug Jones did too.
Harold Carter did as well.
So did Joe Erskine
and Bob Cleroux.
*That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.*
*Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.*
*On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.*
*Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.*
*Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.*
*He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
@bobbyd1776his birth certificate was lost so his real age during most of his career was late thirties early forties he was a killer in his division
Furthermore it was known that rocky was a duck as well, and that the mob protected his record and that large portions of it where padded out his best wins were against guys who were very old and at the tail end of their careers the up and coming killers he avoided
Why would a "bigger" fist do more damage on impact? All things being equal, a smaller surface would be more devastating!? Probably "old-school" fighters had "conditioned" hands (like the shins of Muay Thai fighters in Thailand maybe?) because they used to punch with gloves with basically no padding and so on....but I'm not even 100% sure of this "theory"! On a side note, the strength/power/resistence etc of boxers of bygone eras tend to be always exaggerated and all the related "stories" are embellished! Don't get me wrong, I love the boxing "lore" but I can't believe even half of that! If a 280 lbs, 6'6'' Zhilei Zhang managed to catch Rocky or Sonny "good" inside the first three rounds, it's curtains!
@@R.M.Smallman I agree. Not only 285 lb Zhang but 285 lb Bakole and 305 lb Miller. These 3 guys would literally destroy little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky within seconds. But all these Rocky fangirls act as if little Rocky was some kind of a boxing demigod who could destroy every Super Heavyweight with ease.
Read *Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff.* Charles already had symptoms of ALS (1951) long before he fought Rocky in 1954. How can anyone say he didn't if you have never read his biography? If a Rocky fan were to read a Rocky biography they'd hang on to every single word as if it were the holy grail.
Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree with this medical evaluation? It sure would help your cause. Perhaps Dettloff, when he wasn't writing books, was he also a doctor?
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@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c So you have noone in the medical profession who will agree with this medical evaluation. On the topic of when Charles contracted ALS I accept your Concession
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Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha!
Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74.
*If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
Marciano, that nigga punched hard.
why you hating so much? he was one of the hardest hitters, deal with the facts buddy.
god damn I just realized your fucking all over the comments trying to bring rocky down, gosh damn you really dont got much of a life huh?
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself:
*“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."*
Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame.
After he fired Cus, Floyd faced:
Muhammad Ali
Sonny Liston
Eddie Machen
Henry Cooper
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
*"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* - Floyd Patterson (SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID)
*Why did Marciano "UP-N-QUIT" during his prime after only (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years? Patterson fought from 1952 to 1972. Imagine Marciano having a normal 20 year career from 1948 to 1968? He would've had to face Cleveland Williams Johansson Patterson Liston Terrell Frazier Chuvalo Quarry Machen Folley Bonavena Ellis Jones Copper Spencer Miteff and Mildenberger just to name a few. For Pete's sake Marciano was only 31 his last fight and to make matters even worse than quitting at only 31 years of age,, his last fight had to be against a 41 year old named Archie Moore born "1913" wikipedia! Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
How to you figure that Marciano only fought 7 years? Every piece of evidence I find says he fought 8. He began his career in 1947, fought every year, and retired in 1955. 1955-1947= 8 years. If I'm wrong, please educate me on the issue.
Now onto those guys you mention he eventually knew he would have to confront. I don't see that at all. None of them had accomplished anything of note in the HW division by the time Rocky retired. He would have no reason to know any of them.
I also find it strange that you mentioned the names Chuvalo and Miteff. Lets take a closer look at the career of those guys. .
Chuvalo made his pro debut on April 24, 1956. Alex Miteff made his debut 2 months later in June of 56, Why would Rocky know anything about these guys who hadn't even fought professionally at the time of his last fight?
@@originalBobbyd*Someone (you) just lost their 4 year account for spamming constant hatred. Thousands and thousands of comments simply vanished in a blink of an eye. Someone (you) is now working around the clock desperately trying to save face with his brand new 1 day old account LMFAO* 😂
*"Joe Frazier decimated opponents with the left hook. George Foreman’s wrecking ball right hand struck fear into the heart of the Heavyweight division. Mike Tyson’s uppercut was as accurate as it was pulverizing. But for Larry Holmes, it was the stick, that face busting left jab that led to one of the most dominant title reigns the glamour division has ever seen."* - Tom Gray January 2020 Ring Magazine
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c Rocky hit harder than Joe Frazier with both hands!!!
ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE.
Who said it?
EVERYONE WHO WATCHED HIM FIGHT.
I had to work a man over but with Rocky they just wake up in the locker room.
Jack Dempsey.
He hit harder than anyone even max smelling.
Joe Louis.
He had the hardest punch I ever saw!
Floyd Patterson and Bert Suger.
ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE INCLUDING SHAVERS
Don Turner...
@@Liam_Barlowe Well in the annals of Boxing. What Larry Holmes said about Rocky Marciano not being a good enough Boxer to carry his Shorts is Demonstrably True. It's also true Larry Holmes was Robbed twice By the White establishment in the Michael Spinks fight. Larry Holmes was robbed to punish him for saying. Rocky Marciano was Not a very good fighter and Highly overrated. I love your comments 💯❗
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will.
The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Have to admit, damn good comment
Don't care what anyone says, he was one of the best to ever do it
When heavyweights were 185 pounds, Rocky was king.
Yes you are correct. However his hardest fights were against very old blown up light heavyweight fighters, Walcott, Charles ( who was in the early stages of MS) and Moore. The combined winning percentage of Marciano's opponents was 27 percent the lowest of any HW champ. Had he come around in the 60s,70s,80s or 90s he would have won a few fights at heavyweight but he would have noway been dominant. Now if he could have gotten down to 175 or been a cruiserweight, I'm fairly certain Rocky would have been a top 5 all time. The problem is ( I'm quoting Larry Merchant) " the big men are bigger and there a way more of them". I just see no way he could get past Liston,Ali,Norton, Holmes, Frazier, Lennox, either Klitchko brother, Lewis, Mercer, Ruddock. He may have given Evander or Tyson a tough 2 or 3 rounds but he would have been steamrolled inside of 5 . Also he would never have beaten Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson or Louis. A prime Dempsey was barely a step above a caveman. A prime Louis gives any heavyweight a hard way to go and Johnson could beat guys with his jab.
@@Steve_Whitlock You forget about Dempsey and Louis and their will to win. Also Gene Tunney retired as undefeated HW champ, he never lost at heavyweight .
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.. Even Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* -@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
LH Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times!
LH Moore lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times!
*LH Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated Hall of Fame All Time Great Michael Spinks 'NEVER LOST'!!!*
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years
Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years
Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years
LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years
Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 PROFESSIONAL Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, and March in 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky goes back to the amateurs)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 (Rocky goes back to pro) Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano.. Don Cuoco and Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson because once Pro you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49*
Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Matthews fought *(103)* times...little Rocky quit at *49*
LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Layne fought *(70)* times............little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
Layne Lost *(17)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times
*Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Miller Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little opponents to have a combined ((753)) losses!!!*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- *6*
Johnson --- *11*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
I'm looking at the stats you use in regards to career lengths, You have a lot of errors. Lets take a look. 1. You claim Rocky only fought 7 years! He didn't
2. You claim Louis bravely fought 17 years! He didn't.
3. You claim Charles bravely fought 20 years! He didn't.
4. You claim Walcott bravely fought 23 years! He didn't
I could go on and on but the point is clear. You are wrong. A lot. And always wrong in a way that denigrates Rocky. How would you explain that?
@@originalBobbyd *Someone (you) just lost their 4 year account for spamming constant hatred. Thousands and thousands of comments simply vanished in a blink of an eye. Someone (you) is now working around the clock desperately trying to save face with his brand new 1 day old account LMFAO* 😂
@@originalBobbydOh hello there friend. Can someone please explain why his 4-year old account was suspended 2-days ago?
@@originalBobbyd10 to 15,000 comments vanished. How is that brand new 2-day old account doing? Tell everyone why u were terminated?
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c Still waiting to hear 1, just 1 example of any hatred I spread. Cant do it can you? However, I can give you many examples of constant truth I posted. Some people, however, just can't handle the truth
both great warriors
Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. The last undisputed Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lennox avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his losses, he said, *"It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style,"* and *"Show me a Heavyweight champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."*
In my opinion Lennox Lewis is the GOAT. To hear 58 year old Lennox talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable.
The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: *Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant and WBC International HW champion David Tua* [[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]] *Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson*
How many prime topnotch
genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight
and 224+lbs Super Heavyweight
Champions did little 184 lb Rocky fight?
Imagine little Rocky trying to fight topnotch
Super Heavyweights with 80" to 86" albatross
wingspans and 30 to 100 lb weight advantages?
*If size don't matter why*
*hasn't there been another*
*184 lb Heavyweight champion*
*since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
I'm sorry Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then bcz it sure as hell ain't today. It's no wonder Emanuel Steward, an American boxer, trainer, and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
EVANDER HOLYFIELD WAS 175 LBS AND HE COULD HAVE FOUGHT ANYONE.
ROCKY AND HIS OPPONENTS WERE 100 PERCENT NATURAL UNLIKE all the fighters you named.
ROCKY WAS 210 LBS. THE SAME SIZE AS ERNIE SHAVERS AND JOE FRAIZER.
LIKE HIS OPPONENTS THEY DIETED ALMOST RELIGIOUSLY TO BE AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY BOXED.
THEY DIDN'T HIUG IT OUT, THEY BOXED.
BOXING HAS GIVEN UP OVER 100 LBS IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION AND THE SMALLER GUY WON.
@bobbyd1776 man that's no shit!
I've begun to realize this racist, afrocentrists trolling clown is literally the biggest liar I have ever encountered.
He can't speak without lying.
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c soft spoken lennox Lewis. HOW GAY YOU ARE.
Lennox was the most cocky,arrogant jerk of all.
He also got his Azz kicked twice but BUMS and was hurt in many many fights.
Look at him before steroids.
Bean pole.
Lewis was knocked out by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. Was he taking these fights seriously? I would sincerely hope so seeing how these fights were for the HW title
@@Ryan_Rowdy_Rossi-r2d2c Was Lewis knocked out by both Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall? If he was then how are Rocky fans degrading Lennox they are merely speaking the truth
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more..
Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
"However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches."
“I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers.
“I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.”
Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain.
Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
@@Liam_Barlowe LMFAO. no one reads anything you write. You make up shit boy.
You don't understand the times and the fighters.
EVERYONE FOUGHT EVERYONE OVER AND OVER!
THEY DIDNT CHERRY PICK FIGHTS LIKE TODAY AND AVOID EACH OTHER.
HOLMES LOST TO LITTLE SPINKS.
ALI LOST TO A SPINKS.
VITALI LOST TO CHRIS BYRD.
ROY JONES JR BEAT RUIZ AS A MIDDLE WEIGHT.
SO WHAT. ANYONE CAN BEAT ANYONE.
BOX ONCE IN YOUR SN LIFE BOY THEM YOU CAN SPEAk.
@@Liam_BarloweOPINIONS ?
your entire RACIST shit show is opinions, lies and manipulations. Racist
rocky haters refuse facts and Cherry pick words and numbers.
When you can't find or manipulate information you just make it up.
ROCKY DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS.
HE CLEANED OUT The DIVISION.
GET OVER IT.
EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT ROCKY including JOE LOUIS SAID HE WAS THE HARDEST PUNCHER EVER.
Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years.
Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses -- Puritty in 98,, Sanders in 03,, Brewster in 04 -- than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back to back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40.
He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches with an 81 inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly.
For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.
Wladimir Klitschko dominated Brewster through the course of the first four rounds, sending him to the canvas in the fourth; however, things turned around unusually fast in the fifth when Klitschko began tiring and Brewster's punches began backing him up. Not defending himself and leaning into ropes for support, Klitschko took a standing eight count. On unsteady legs, Klitschko fell to the canvas after the bell and the referee stopped the fight for his safety. When talking about the fight, Emmanuel Steward said: "Wladimir was in incredible shape. I've never seen anything like this in my career. I know what it looks like when a boxer is getting hurt from punches. There was definitely something else that caused problems for Wladimir".
Shortly after the fight Klitschko was rushed into hospital. An examination showed Klitschko's blood sugar level almost two times higher than the permissible norm. According to members of Klitschko's team, the doctor told them that Klitschko had been "inches away" from falling into a diabetic coma, and that with blood sugar level that high, Klitschko would've been incapable of handling a single proper training session. After returning from the examination to the hotel, he fell ill with nausea, followed by physical weakness. On 12 April, he arrived in Las Vegas and donated blood and urine samples for an independent examination, which was supposed to be done by Donald Katlin, who specialized in such cases. The examination showed no signs of anabolic steroids in his blood, but Katlin suggested that Klitschko could have been poisoned with Haloperidol. The drug has no taste or smell and causes mental disorders, which are accompanied by impaired coordination, a weakening reaction and overall physical weakness. Following the results, Klitschko demanded the tests taken by the Medical Center of South Nevada and the Nevada Quest Diagnostics to be passed on to Dr. Robert Wow for further research, but the A sample had already been disposed of, while the B sample, which was supposed to be stored for years, disappeared.
As a result of the circumstances that surrounded the fight, FBI started an investigation. Judd Bernstein, the lawyer representing Klitschko, suggested that he was a victim of an ongoing fight fixing in Las Vegas (which also included fraudulent medical reports), which was investigated by FBI at the time. Bernstein, along with some other journalists, pointed out that in the last 48 hours before the beginning of the fight, the betting odds in favor of Klitschko rapidly dropped from 11-to-1 to 3 1/2 to-1. According to journalist Keith Teixeira, a group of approximately 40 people associated with Brewster's manager Sam Simon bet from $50,000 to $100,000 on Brewster's victory. Members of Klitschko's team also pointed out that shortly before the fight, a security camera recorded a moment when two people entered Klitschko's booth and were there for four minutes. These people had badges, but weren't members of Wladimir's team. Wladimir's brother Vitali claimed that during registration of the boxer and his team, the card that belonged to Emmanuel Steward's assistant had already been registered on someone else, and that such card would allow its owner to enter any sporting hall in the building.
With Emmanuel in his corner, Wlad, was unbeatable in my opinion
because the klitchkos were boring, nobody cares about them
@@samuelstyles5031 what a load of crap, they KOed most everyone they fought and people love KO’s. You’re boring with your repetitiveness and your posts KO nobody. I loved watching them fight.
@@bradtaylor4765 dude boxing is a dead sport now because the klitchkos were so boring. No one cares anymore since tyson/holyfield/lewis
Loved watching Jerry. A good guy in and out of the ring.
Yes sir he was
It's such a shame that Rocky fans must trash Jerry as if he were low-life. So many Rocky fans are haters. It's truly pathetic.
*Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua threw 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Super Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226 lb Tua's record stood at 27-0 23 KO's while 236 lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0 12 KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.*
*21 months later, 245 lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up and coming Super Heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was now 20-0 with 15 KO's and only 26 years old.* (Byrd would later become two-time Heavyweight champion).
*No Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power, fierce determination and no fear of anybody. He believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils.*
*((To claim little Marciano's endurance was better than everyone else's endurance is not only laughable but absurd and Super Heavyweights Ibeabuchi/Tua just proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers! The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is absolute nonsense. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke. Little 184 lb Marciano gets flattened by the 245 lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!))*
Rocky threw one punch and had no idea what a combination was. He was mafia controlled and he was beaten once it just was a bad decision by the judges, see mafia controlled comment
Clueless 🤡s
Larry Holmes made 20 defenses of the Heavyweight title over a seven year reign. Holmes is considered to have the best jab in history. He could use it as an offensive weapon to make openings for his slashing right hand. Larry possessed a rock hard chin, huge heart, and excellent stamina. He fought pro from 73 to 02. That's 29 years. He was 52. Rocky only fought 7 years and was only 31 when he Quit. Little Rocky would have to fight 22 more years to catch Larry. *"If you really want to get technical about the whole thing, Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap."* - Larry Holmes
HOLMES WAS BEATEN BY 180 LBS SPINKS AND HE ALSO SAID TYSON WAS TO SMALL TO BEAT HIM. LMFAO.
Here is David Frost again, ole Frosty flakes over here, spreading his Rocky hate. What a loser. 🤡🤡🤡
6' 5" 235 lb Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, as you please. He would have been a stern test for any fighter who ever lived. Bowe was the first boxer to beat prime Holyfield and the only one to actually knock him out. After Bowe gave Holyfield his first loss, making him champion, he built a mansion and lost all interest in boxing. Bowe was finished long before the Golata fights. Trainer Eddie Futch said, *"Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known."* Prime Riddick smashes little Rocky 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!
Golota beat beat Bowe twice. Bowe also ducked Lewis.
@@stevetatten9422 that’s what I was going to say. Golota took Bowe to school twice and if Golota wasn’t so damn stupid he would have been HW champion
By 37 quarry was a punch drunk alcoholic to many head shots . Good reason to respect Floyd Mayweather Jr.
You never know..Marciano was known to have bone-crushing power, incredible stamina and a granite chin..He was small like Tyson..5' 10" but the three traits above gave him a good chance against anyone. That being said Bowe was a great champ and a helluva fighter in his prime.
@@Robert_Levi_Miller Around 1955, Rocky Marciano had his punch measured at a USA military installation, where it is believed that the test was conducted on a ballistic pendulum. Rocky achieved a score of 925 foot-pounds whilst wearing a 12oz. boxing glove. Those who witnessed the test could hardly believe what they had seen.
Little Rocky's style will play into Liston’s Giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Rocky and also has height weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup as he won’t have to go looking for Rocky. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Rocky's 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Marciano gets flattened faster than Patterson!
Here is David Frost again, ole Frosty flakes over here, spreading his Rocky hate. What a loser. 🤡🤡🤡
Sonny Liston was a quitter. He got a little lumped up by little thin light hitting Muhammad Ali cried look at him on his stool. He’s crying he’s a little lumped up Rocky would break his soul Rocky Marciano doesn’t have to prove list and has to prove in both of Lon’s biggest moments on the world stage, he shit the bed totally shit the bed. Liston has to prove he can perform in a big fight but he couldn’t when it counted.
*Vitali Klitschko 6' 7″ 250 lbs KOs 87% with 80" reach only lost twice due to horrible cut and torn rotator cuff. He never hit the canvas and was never behind on judges scorecards after the 2nd round. He had excellent power with granite chin and great determination with PhD-intelligence. Vitali would have been a Huge factor in any era. Prime Vitali puts little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky into a nursing home, permanently.*
Wlad had a weaker chin, but would have destroyed Rocky.
wow, you a fan boy?
@@axia6372 he listed quite a few boxers that would have destroyed Rocky so call it what you will. Just cause now it’s a Klitschko, you hater boys have to come out of the woodwork
@@bradtaylor4765 fan boy
@@axia6372 you’ll enjoy 8th grade this year, little boy
A terrific fighter. A warrior. Was good enough to hold his own with Frazier without leaving the pocket.
*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:*
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it).
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Baker declined too.
So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!”
Karl Mildenberger declined as well.
Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight).
Tommy Jackson refused.
Doug Jones did too.
Harold Carter did as well.
So did Joe Erskine
and Bob Cleroux.
*That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.*
*Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.*
*On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.*
*Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.*
*Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.*
*He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
Student. Great comment. I’m 58. My dad used to say everyone crapped their pants with Liston. He said his jab was like a piston. He could never be convinced the 2 Ali fights weren’t fixed.
I’m from Bayonne. Wepner didn’t duck Sonny. Chuck was Sonny’s last fight. Went 9 rounds. 10-round fight. I’d work out at the YMCA while Chuck was there. He was good friends with my dad, who boxed and who was a longshoreman then a detective then a bar owner. I’m sure he and Chuck, who was a liquor salesman, talked about Liston.
Chuck trained at Buffano’s in Jersey City. Liston would train there from time to time. I’m sure they sparred.
@clemfarley7257 Your Dad is right. Ali couldn't possibly beat Liston, unless both fights were fixed. The 2nd fight is a joke, obvious fix.
I saw all of his televised fights that exist on film and I saw all his fights in person in M.S.G. I sat ringside for Quarry v Shavers, Frazier, Lyle, Chuvalo but the one that amazed me the most was his KO over Shavers.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more..
Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
"However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches."
“I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers.
“I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.”
Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain.
Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
Jerry Quarry was my favorite boxer during my teen years. He was a very talented boxer and a charismatic person. It was terrible to see this fine athlete deteriorate as he did. Nonetheless, he provided sports fans with many exciting and memorable moments in what was a very competitive era in heavyweight boxing history. Lastly, I do not believe that he could have beaten Rocky Marciano.
would have been a good fight, Quarry was better than any contender Marciano defended his title against.
@@kartzstormstool861Jerry Quarry would have gotten stopped by Rocky Marciano sometime after the 8th Round!!!
@@SamuelJohnYoungIII Wrong. Little Rocky didn't fight anyone worth a damn. Then he abruptly quit just before being embarrassed.
@@SamuelJohnYoungIII 178 to 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades:
Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
There it is. Y'all are intelligent enough to make your own judgement about Rocky's *F-LEVEL* resume. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. To continue claiming he was the Greatest or even top 10 Greatest Heavyweight is absurd. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
*"Name one, just one 'Prime' all time great boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore Louis was 'Prime' when they fought him?"*
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself:
*“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."*
Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame.
After he fired Cus, Floyd faced:
Muhammad Ali
Sonny Liston
Eddie Machen
Henry Cooper
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
*"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* (SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID)
Marciano knew he'd have to eventually confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis just to name a few.
*EVERYBODY coulda found out how Marciano woulda done against all these guys had he not Up-n-Quit so abruptly after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years. For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.*
I've only lately come across Jerry Quarry as I was a little too young to remember him at his best. I'm glad to have seen some of his fights. What an exciting and skillfull fighter. May he rest in peace.
Holyfield vs Quarry would be Brutal War
All boxing fans love Jerry!
Rocky fangirls hate him bcz prime for prime Jerry woulda KO'd Rocky.
The night Jerry outboxed Ron Lyle was Jerry at his best .After that Foreman would not give hom a shot.Also Jerry fought Joe Frazier 2 with a brolen left hand which he got in his fight with Shavers I saw his left hand at his training camp being wrapped by Gill Clancy.. The middle knucle was extremly disdended and he had no power. with the left hook in the second Frazier fight.
That's correct. Jerry literally gave his life to the sport of boxing. Disregard all the haters. They're all Rocky fangirls. Prime for prime Jerry woulda KO'd Rocky.
Muhammad Ali said in 'The Greatest': "With George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!”
I like Quarry. I remember him when I was a kid and having dabbled in boxing myself and consider myself a decent historian of the sport, no way Quarry beats Marciano. I don't know why people always say Quarry was a talented fighter. He was easy to hit, so he was not a good boxer, and he only KO'D 32 out of 53, Marciano 43 out of 49. Quarry had 9 losses 6 by Ko, Marciano 0 losses. Marciano was the best-conditioned heavyweight in history. He could throw non-stop punches for 15 rounds. That would have been too much for Quarry. Was Quarry a talented fighter? No, he was a very tough fighter with a tremendous heart. Was Marciano a talented fighter? No, he was a tough fighter with tremendous heart, superbly conditioned and a great puncher with both hands.
You are right especially if he went toe to toe like he did with frazier.His best strategy would have been would have been to box, stick and move and counter punch. The problem is quarry had a stamina problem, getting tired in later rounds and Rocky would eventually land one.
I disagree. I think you're under valuing Quarry's ring skills. He could not only hit hard, but he could counterpunch and box fairly well. Check out his fight with Ron Lyle. Problem was that in some fights, he wasn't in top condition. Like the Norton fight where Jerry had hardly any training for, but took it for the money. Norton, on the other hand, was in peak shape.
I think that Quarry would've given Marciano a good fight. Clearly, we'll never know who wins such a bout, but I'd give the edge to Quarry. That is if Jerry was in the same condition he was in for Lyle and Shavers.
Also, I'd add that Quarry's opposition was tougher. Cheers.
Beautiful Tribute.
I agree but Rocky fangirls hate it.
Jerry is in the Boxing Hall of Fame. He attended his induction ceremony with his brother a couple of years before he died.
Jerry's in the World Boxing Hall of Fame, not the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But yes, he is absolutely in the Hall of Fame!
He ought to be in both!@@Robert_Levi_Miller
@@waynej2608 I agree.
"I know I could have beaten Rocky Marciano." - Jerry Quarry
That actually says rocky was good for him to even acknowledge him.
Why is it when Joe Fraizer and Ali say rocky was better than them you never quote them?
Holmes says Mike Tyson was too small. LMFAO he destroyed Holmes.
He didn't have a chance of rocky like the commentator of this video said.
Not a chance not a chance, Jerry Cory I never knew you said that till now not even a chance easy pickings you couldn’t handle Frasier and Fraser only had a threat on one side think of an elite level athlete of a major league baseball player, and he only asked to look for one pitch from a major league pitcher that was Frasier. You only had to look for one pitch the left side that’s it. You couldn’t even get close to getting by him. Rocky Marciano was a two fisted attack much more lethal than FrasierCory, you were a good fighter not a great fighter a fighter your best day Rocky with a blue blue
@@Liam_Barlowe LMFAO!!!!
He PAID FOR EVERYONES EXPENSES!!!
HE BURIED JOE LOUIS AND GAVE HIM MONEY THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
HE PAID VINGO AND EZZARD CHARLES EXPENSES.
HE ONLY RETIRED BECAUSE HE DISCOVERED HIS MANAGER WAS TAKING HALF HIS MONEY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS BECAUSE HE DID A CHARITY FOR A CHURCH BUT HIS MANAGER STILL CHARGED A FEE..
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du u know absolutely nothing about Rocky. He didn't pay anyone's expenses. Don't believe? Ask Rocky's nephew above. It's one thing to defend Rocky but it's another when u must continuously lie.
@@louisj.marciano3390 little Frazier LoL. What about Miller or Bakole or Zhang or Ibeabuchi or Foreman vs little tiny dwarfism arms?
Jerry Quarry, a great fighter with a lot of heart. A tough fellow. Was sad to see him in his last years.❤
Jerry Quarry would be a small cruiserweight today a weight class that didn't exist in his day. Jerry beat Ron Lyle Earnie Shavers Buster Mathis Mac Foster Floyd Patterson.
Rocky was smaller than Jerry. Rocky would probably be a light heavyweight today.
Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
Rocky would have Broke this guy up and knock him out in the later rounds. Rocky's conditioning was unreal, he would be fighting just as hard in the 10th round as the 1st. Very few fighters could stay with him. He had a unique awkward style that actually took advantage of his short arms and he hit like a jackhammer. He would spend 3hrs a day hitting a custom made 250 lb Heavy Bag while training for fights.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
Hall of Fame and All Time Greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
The U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Sonny Liston's wallop. Its findings: *"Liston's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than a 50 caliber armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 2,000 pounds one foot off the ground."* - Ring Magazine 1959
"Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
Reach is a huge advantage but it doesn’t serve fighters well when they want to fight up close.
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years
Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years
Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years
LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years
Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Jerry Quarry gave his all in the ring during a time when you had some of the greatest heavyweights of all time AT THE SAME TIME at their peaks …Quarry fought 3 of the best in Ali, Frazier and later Norton. Joe Frazier when asked about Quarry said “Jerry came to FIGHT!”
Jerry was the first of the white hopes since Marciano and was followed up decades later by Cooney.
***If you could’ve packaged Jerry’s ability to FIGHT with Cooney’s size and hitting power the dreams of all of those fans clamoring for a white heavyweight champ would’ve come true.
>The closest to that was Gerrie Coetzee who KO’d Dokes in 1983 …Coetzee didn’t fully fill the void because he was South African.
Chuvalo was before Quarry. His record was not as good but after the Doug Jones KO he was the first White hope for fighting Ali before being outpointed by Floyd at MSG.
@@josephshields2922 chuvalo is a canadian. I am talking about good old native born white man from the USA
"When you got hit by Sonny Liston's jab, it felt like you were getting hit with a telephone pole." -- Ray Schoeninger
I think Quarry might have beaten Marciano. Jerry was a bit bigger and just as strong. Marciano fought in an era with very little talent, while Quarry fought in the greatest era ever.
I'm not sure Quarry would have beaten Marciano but I think Marciano would have had a difficult time if he'd fought in Quarry's era. I don't think Marciano would have been champion in Quarry's era.
Quarry's biggest drawback was his management. I think his father managed him. He was allowed to spar without head protection. This accounts for his later dementia. Folks don't realize these guys are boxing every day in training against some tough partners. They also employed some stupid strategy like trying to out box a boxer in the Ellis fight and trying to out slug Frazier in that one. I would have had him stick and move against Frazier. I would never have allowed him to fight Frazier the second time. I imagine that too did damage. Who told him to take a rest in the Chuvalo fight and wait until nine?
@@josephshields2922 Yeah fighting Frazier the second time went just exactly the way it went the first time. I also wonder why anybody thought it would go differently.
And yeah you're right Quarry's corner should have had him box Frazier and maul Ellis.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
Quarry was a very good fighter. He had good power in both hands, moved well and had an iron chin. His biggest weakness was his defense .... or lack thereof. He tended to "pose" too often thus taking too many unnecessary shots over his career. In one way his iron chin was terrific, but that strength also led to his long-term downfall.
I loved Jerry Quarry. A genuinely tough, fearless and talented fighter. But his style was made for Marciano.
Foreman & Liston style was made for Marciano also.
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers, “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Quarry would have ruled the 1950s heavyweight divison. He had good hand speed, a great chin and a high ring IQ. With no 210 pound quality heavyweights around, who would stop him?
Quarry would have annihilated the very overrated Marciano who was crushed by Lastarza..Everybody who was at the fight said so..Everybody...
"Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"
Marcianos wins began with his training regime. He wore down bigger smarter heavyweights like Chaeles and Walcott with sheer determination and fitness which overwhelmed his opponents late in the fights. And he was always outweighed.
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
"Liston was the biggest puncher I ever fought." -- Chuck Wepner
Quarry was a contender , no disgrace. Marciano was a champion. Quarry could not make that hurdle.
Well, in all fairness, Marciano may not have been champ either if he faced the likes of Ali and Frazier.
@@waynej2608Do you have a crystal ball? There is no way of knowing the outcome of your fantasy fights.
I believe Rocky would have won, because as great as his punching power was, his stamina and toughness were even greater. But I would not say Quarry doesn't have a chance, because Jerry did so well in his career against some of the most dangerous ko punchers the heavyweight division has ever had. His wins over Shavers, Lyle, and Foster when those three looked liked Killers in their prime spoke volumes of Quarry's ability to beat the best. Even money I take Rocky. Give me good betting odds and I would take a chance on Quarry
@@jasondierbeck4392 Nah, I disagree. Rocky is overrated. All hype. Everyone can clearly see him fight. Miller Bakole Zhang would destroy the tiny Plodder within seconds.
@@jasondierbeck4392 *I know, i know, Rocky fans still believe that little 184 lb Rocky with tiny flyweight reach could beat every Super Heavyweight that ever existed with ease because he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,000 teeth and ruptured 792 blood vessels. And of course how can we possibly forget the 22 opponent's he killed with his 'Suzie Q' 44 magnum. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god because when he walked the earth shook.*
Jerry was a very, very good fighter in an era of great ones. But the reality is Marciano would have destroyed him. Remember prime Quarry only fought a draw against Patterson. Quarry and Bonavena would have been a good matchup, too bad it never came off. Marciano was stronger, tougher, had better stamina, and hit harder. But Jerry was tough and had there been a cruiserweight divsion in his day he would have been champ for a decade.
Jerry knocked out Earnie Shavers in the first round. The fights with Patterson were early in his career. I don't know who would have won if Jerry fought Rocky, but prime Jerry would have given Rocky all he could handle.
How do you figure that when he lost to Ellis ? Don't you think Ellis would have been in that same division?
@@josephshields2922 Jerry fought Ellis with a bad back which was stupid to do. He still kept it close. He needed surgery a week after the fight. He would have won a rematch IMO
@@stuartperry1047 Chuvalso scored a legit knockdown over Jerry, if not a legit kayo. If Chuvalo could hurt Jerry, Rocky would have finished him. Rocky hit much harder than Chuvalo and unlike George he threw punches in bunches.
Archie Moore decked Rocky. Archie was a light heavyweight. You can't judge a fighter by who knocked him down. Oscar Bonavena knocked Joe Frazier down twice- and lost. Joe never decked Oscar. Joe knocked Ali down and won the first fight. Joe got knocked down 6 times in his first fight with Foreman. Big George knocked him out. Ali knocked George out, but he was never able to knock Frazier down in 3 fights. Jerry had a strong chin.I think he was only knocked down 3 times, and he fought some rough guys.
I saw Jerry fight Chuvalo at the Garden and Joe Alexander at the Nassau Coliseum. I was ringside for the Chuvalo fight as a guest of former welterweight Freddie Menna. Jerry was beating Chuvalo handily till the knockdown. Jerry didn't have a problem with the bigger slower heavyweights like Lyle, Foster and Shavers. The guys with great hand speed like Ali and Frazier gave him big problems. RIP Jerry
I happen to be a big fan of Jerry Quarry. Liked his style, his guts & Irish determination. But, I've seen his fights & I doubt he could've defeated the likes of Rocky Marciano. Jerry was a bleeder. He lost some of his most important fights with lots of fight spirit still in his fists & standing -- but he was stopped by a TKO.
Rocky Marciano would not have been a good idea unless Jerry got really lucky early & KO artists like Jersey Joe Walcott & Ezzard Charles failed.
Rocky's endurance, stamina & strength was overwhelming. He trained much harder than average heavyweights & that was the key everyone seems to forget. He was fresh even in the late rounds (Look at the Walcott fight). That's scary & during the fight, he always came forward with fists firing away and with speed. You seldom see this today. He never clinches or allows it. Never appears tired.
Quarry would have the heart to fight Rocky & the experience -- especially doing well in the early rounds -- but he wouldn't have the resilience once he started getting hit with those solid Marciano punches.
Even Roland LaStarza admitted that wherever Rocky hit it hurt (Joe Louis echoed the same thing a few years later). Marciano sent LaStarza, a formidable puncher at the time, to the hospital with broken bones in his face after knocking him out of the ring.
It makes me sad what happened to Jerry Quarry. This is a boxer deserving of the heavyweight crown. He was a great fighter. Gave Ali a lot of trouble & Ali gave him chances.
Peculiar, that Sonny Liston who was still fighting at the time never signed on the dotted line to meet Jerry Quarry. Just a thought.
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.
Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.
Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
Quarry would have beaten Marciano
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Well Rocky retired undefeated .. unlike Jerry.
@@Robert_Levi_Miller That’s rubbish .. Lewis making excuses for himself.. Rocky fought all comers .. say one would have beaten him in different eras is hypothetical or fought nobodies .. one could counter that argument & say “that’s how good he was”
@@Robert_Levi_Miller eventually you are going to get tired. And that’s when he’s just getting warmed up 😂
@@Robert_Levi_Miller exactly those slobs will tire out so it would be all knockouts
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
Dream on
Well, said Wiliam
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent.
"Liston was a different breed; what a specimen." - Cus D'Amato
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa."
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He had immense heart and he was tough as nails, but he got hit too much ,he and Marciano were two great warriors,
Emanuel Steward was an American boxer, trainer and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career. What did Emanuel have to say about Marciano? He said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
I've always loved Quarry, he was unlucky in timing I guess you'd say. He was much better than several fighter's who luckily got the belt for a fight or 2, which I believe he very well could have done.
That said, because of mentality and conditioning, there's no chance he beats a Rocky Marciano who came on similar to Frazier, but hit harder and was more conditioned.
Quarry was the challenger Rocky needed.....
if quarry said that he must haver been punchy sooner than everyone thought
Of all the men that Qarry lost to, the only ones that I think that he would not have ever beaten were Ali and frazier. I felt that after the second Frazier loss he really was then finished. I think that he could have beaten Norton in Jerry's prime. Also even at the time when I was only like 12 yrs old, could not understand why he went after Frazier, and not for a rematch with Jimmy Ellis. Like the one man above says about Quarry, he should be in the IBHOF, so should Ellis. I don't think that he would have beaten Marciano, but it is possible that when Floyd Patterson was champ in the late 50's, he might have been able to defeat Paterson.
Saw just about all his fights. Very talented, strong, tough, and he had skills. If they would have had cruiser wt then he would have been the title holder for as long as he wanted. A chin of granite, and a left hook as good as Joe F. And Jerry was a small hwt especially by today's standards. And I agree totally he rarely got the credit he deserved. If you want to see one of his best fights watch the Ron Lyle JQ fight. Jerry displayed all his skills in that fight and beat Ron L by decision. Jerry said after the fight I outslicked him, yup, and out boxed out slugged the slugger.
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking.
1962:
In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40
boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the
#1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis
2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th.
1971:
In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most
famous historian and also editor and founder
of Ring magazine named Marciano as the
10th greatest Heavyweight champion of all-time.
1998:
Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever.
2005:
We float around to 2005 and
Marciano was named the 5th
greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the
International Boxing Research Organization.
2007:
In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis and Jack Johnson.
2023:
We skip to modern day,
and somehow he's
been bumped up to 3rd.
Will he one day be greater than Ali???
It's easy to see Rocky's progression. The key is understanding why? Despite his perfect record against the weakest and smallest Heavyweight division of all-time Rocky was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 1960's and 1970's. So why did he climb from 10th in 1971 to 3rd today? Bcz the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 1972. They all started passing away including Rocky in 1969. That's when his fame really started to grow. After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where little 184 lb Rocky could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease.
Lets take a look at your theory that time tends to boost a fighters ranking. Lets take guys like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, and Jack Johnson. Has time given those fighters ranking a boost? If your theory is correct, it definitely would and they would widely be considered the 3 best HW's of all time. After all, much more time has passed since their career ended than Rocky. .
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Jerry also thought he could beat Ali and Frazier.
Ali and Frazier were 3x better than little 184 lb Rocky.
Have you seen the documentary on him? Omg 😱. Talk about the price a person pays. But he probably wouldn't have changed a thing. RIP 😔
Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso
Harvard's only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown, and *"gauge"* means *"to make a judgement."* So there it is, a deceptive, distorted, misleading and untruthful story about our military building a gizmo inorder to test his punching power and all along it was a hometown teacher *"writing"* a story about his hometown hero. *(The bullshirt never stops does it, 5' 9" 178 to 188 lbs lmfao.)*
Even today it's mathematically impossible to test someone's punching power. They tried with UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou and recently found out the PowerKube (gizmo) was inaccurate.