We should never accept with quiet embarrassment what happened to Kim Garam. And the MAIN REASON, apart from the justice she deserves, is that THIS COULD HAPPEN TO ANY OTHER IDOL. AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES WE MADE WITH GARAM. If we're quiet about cases like this and cases like Woojin's and cases like Soojin's, we are doomed to forget the profound impact and pain these situations had on people, and consequentially cause the same pain to other artists. Kpop fans ruined this girls life. We ruined her career and her dreams and she accepted it with grace and disappeared. We can't be doing this to everyone. I hope we never do it again.
"Yes, I'm still talking about Kim Garam" AS YOU SHOULD. "Getting over her" is not fair. "Getting over her" is forgetting her and this horrible case, it's letting the wrong side win. I'll never shut up about this cuz what people did to her is disgusting and plain stupid. Everyone saying "She was here for two weeks, you have issues if you're attached" are just ashamed and guilty now that they've been proven wrong. We're not "weirdly attached to a 16 year old", we're just not okay with a child having her dreams ruined over lies and "for fun" of people that see her as nothing more than passing drama in their otherwise boring lives. And it's so funny that people were shitting on HYBE when they were defending her and taking proper action as a good company should and now I see people shitting on HYBE cuz apparently "they didn't protect her and shouldn't have kicked her out" 💀 as if they literally weren't forced to do it 💀💀 I'll ALWAYS be pissed about this. How so many people can be this stupid and disgusting is beyond me. I'll never stop being angry about this, NEVER. Edit: People are misunderstanding, I'm not being actively angry about this or on her behalf. I simply refuse to forget what happened to her, and all the other people who suffered in similar situations. I'm empathizing and taking responsibility as part of the community that was responsible for all of this. Once again, forgetting is letting the wrong side win.
I completely agree that people should be angry I just hope people don't let this ivershine the groups success and how they are now. People shouldn't say they're better with 5 or 6 members because their line-up is never gonna change now. I personally don't think about Garam because she wasn't a member long enough and I had no attachment to her as a member of the group but I do agree that she should not have been kicked out of the group and that what happened to her is terrible. It's not okay for people to say they should get over what happened but I think it's fair to say that I don't talk about the Garam situation because I simply don't have enough attachment to it whether or not it is sad and annoying
YES! Kpop netizens are mostly shallow people, they cannot reflect on their own actions and wrongdoings. I know there are MANY children who are obsessed with Kpop and will gladly take sides, but they still add to the problem. Also, I don't think I have to mention the adults as described. I really would love to see her re-debut, I've been checking but no news 😢
Wellll, it's been a year since she left, and honestly, I did not know about leseraffim as I did not follow them then, but omg this was sooo horrid, I would literally be so sad and depressed had I been in her place, I STRONGLYYY want some updates about her, she should not let a single bit of her talent go to waste, I TRULY TRULY wish garam becomes a singer again and f those kpop companies, she already has a strong fanbase that would support her, just a song performance and modelling for some brands, AND I BET she'd be sooooo famous, She is sooo young with such a sweet voice, I really want her on stage again
I think its terrible what that did to crush her dream after all this hard work, but you have to move on as well. Getting angry on garam’s behalf wont do anything to change the fact that she is no longer apart of le sserafim.
Finally someone with a platform who has a brain! Thank you. She was only 12 and all she did was curse at someone who shared a nude of her friend! People do way worse shit in school than just defending their friends! I'm still not over Garam's situation even though she wasn't my bias! She worked hard for years to be able to debut in one of the most popular kpop groups, she deserved to live her dream life. Some may have genuinely believed she's a bully but most were simply jealous of her beauty and her position. I really wish Hybe hadn't let her go ... 💔 although I kinda understand why they did it. I really hope and I'm almsot certain she'll come back, I hope she comes back and becomes one of the most popular artists ❤
99% of people will disagree with me but I personally still want GARAM to come back to leaserafim. After all the shit she has been through, she deserved to be famous and all dreams come true.
ME TOO!! if only knetiznes weren't strict about bullying allegations even tho they were proven false like common her talents were wasted 😭 she could have became more
i remember people were convinced that hybe caused the "victim" to commit you know what... that was when i started thinking about the facts of the scandal. what's true and what's false. it's really upsetting that rumors with zero proof were able to spread so far. the "victim" is still alive btw. and i hope she gets her karma
So, about Garam's current situation: -Right now she's at school of performing arts and she will graduate next year, she's studying actuation so it looks like she will become an actress since that was her original dream. But there's still a chance to see her on stage again. -She received a lot of gifts from her China fans some months ago and she's grateful for that. -There's been rumors that she's going to open her ig account soon because of a photo that Yudimi posted
i hope she does definelty will follow and support. also glad to hear acting is her main dream and hope it starts well. perhaps to web dramas after securing small roles and getting tons of experience and training of courese and maybe she can return on the stage with covers in a way idk wish to hear her lovely voice once more
everyone's talking about garam but do you know what happened to yun eunseo (kim garam's bully)? I want to know if she faced any consequences cause this is literally defamation. she got jealous and destroyed garam's potential.
@@arjun_gt6since she was under 14 when it happened idk if anything could be done cuz I think in Korea under 14 can’t be prosecuted for crimes but I could be wrong so you’ll have to look into it
I don't blame people for still defending Garam. The injustice of it all - is infuriating ! The fact that so many people were participating and driven, to bring down an innocent person, reveals a lot about them. I truly wish the company was steadfast in support of her...
thank you for continuing the discourse on this. the point is that this isn't just about Garam, its about all of the idols who have had their careers and reputations destroyed at a VERY young age based on often fake or unproven allegations/accusations. when ravn of oneus was forced out of the group AFTER Garam's whole ordeal was settled i couldn't believe it. we STILL hadn't learned anything. This could still happen to any idol in the industry :(
As an almost 4-year-old To Moon, I SO agree. OT5 To Moons should be ashamed as hell for celebrating him leaving as well, because in comparison to Le Sserafim (not saying they weren’t saddened by Garam’s departure, they certainly were) you could CLEARLY see just how devastated and heartbroken the ONEUS members were knowing they no longer have Ravn, who was like the group dad to them. People never learn, and the scariest part is that idols like him, Garam and Soojin won’t be the last ones who’ll suffer.
She was literally bullied for supposedly being a bully (?)! The thing I hate the most about Kpop discussions online is that 99% just follow what the current trending opinion is. Everybody loves Aespa until one day, a popular video said that they're lacking skills and the comments agree with it. Since this moment and for a few months, I saw hundreds of videos and thousands of comments hating on Aespa. Same happens with IVE : someone said they look like coworkers and it was over, everyone suddenly felt the same. And don't get me on the "my unpopular opinions" that are most of the time stuff that everybody is saying ! Also : liking comments is also participating in the hate ! Having 5 top comments saying mean things is something, but these comments being liked thousand times is something else for the idol that may be reading them ! It's also the "likes" that make an opinion trendy or not ! What's sad is that I see people everyday repeating the same kind of mistake with new idols (targeting some idol for random reasons and cyber bullying them). These past few days it's been Kendall from Vcha (new JYP GG). I really hope she doesn't read too much what is being said online... Poor girl is only 16. If she goes into hiatus (or worst) the same people will be like "poor one she was so young and people were so mean".
yeah totally agree its happening evern more bc trhey see they can create a fake story and roll with it. Now that can make it even harder in the future for people who actually were hurt to come out if this keeps continuing without being dealt with properly :/
The irony is that the people who claim to be so against bullying decided to bully a minor. Many of them being full-grown adults calling her "jobless" once removed. People just hate seeing talented/pretty idols succeed at this point.
EXACTLY. YOU ARE SO FUCKING RIGHT. I blocked some of my own "friends" doing this time (internet only but still) Garam didn't get thrown out bcs she bullied anyone, she got thrown bcs OF US. It's literally kpop stans fault.
yes girl! you really hit it on all of the points of this case. I didn't know that Yoo Eunsoo didn't have a face and always stayed anonymous when she was the perpetrator of all this hate. Thanks for the video
Tbh, I actually started following Le Sserfim when all this Garam scandal was going on. So I did not the full scope of it. But during that time whichever K-tuber video I saw, they seem to be saying the same thing. 1) They were blaming Hybe for not doing background check on the members before taking them in the grp. 2) Then they blamed Hybe for having some underhanded shady deal with Garam to have been protecting her even when so many rumours about her was going on. 3)When Hybe put her in hiatus, and put out a statement, every k-tuber started pointing out that why Hybe was so hell bent on keeping a bully in their company and destroying other girls future 4) Finally when the contract was terminated, suddenly all the k-tuber tone changed and they started saying that Hybe is awful at managing grps, they cannot even take care of a member, they couldn't even give proof and threw a girl out and destroyed her future. When all this happened, I was appalled at the hypocrisy of K-tubers. From everywhere Hybe was pressurized. Esp kookielit, that channel is awful. They spread so much misinformation and hate and then tried to act innocent when Garam's contract was dissolved. I am ashamed to say that even I got into their words and thought maybe Garam was at fault and Hybe should not promote her as it is affecting the other girls. But after everything ended and I saw the true colors of this k-tubers and how they then started showing that Garam was innocent, I was extremely angry on myself. I decided to never look at any other k-tuber video as it is disgusting how much misleading info they give and how hypocritical they are. You are only one who actually said that Hybe was not wrong to protect their artist and took clear stance. So I decided to listen to you till the end. And now I feel even worse to have come under the influence of these Ktubers words. I hope the girl can build her career safely in future.
Don’t feel bad about yourself please, what matters now is that we all give her all the love and support she deserves :) I’m glad to know that you’re on her side 🤍
Tbh i pity Garam. For me she could be center of Le serrafim. I remember the fearless mv where she was the one that appeared first and she caught my attenetion and then yunjin and Kazuha. Even there are two veteran which are Sakura and Chaeweon, Garam and Yujin still managed to shy. She also could be the visual of the group for real. That's why i feel so sorry towards her cause she had the charisma but the stupid rumour killed her dream. Luckily, she still alive cause the amount of hate she received is massive.
The whole world should apologize to Garam. But even that happens, it's useless. Her career was destroyed by lies spread by disgusting and jealous people.
It’s honestly perfect how much “things” slot into place when looking at Le Sserafim as a concept of 6: 3 members chasing a dream (Yunjin, Garam, and Eunchae) where as there are 3 members redefining themselves (Sakura, Kazuha, and Chaewon) 3 higher / brighter vocals (Sakura, Chaewon, and Garam) with 3 more deep / cooler vocals (Kazuha, Yunjin, Eunchae) Sakura and Garam being the dual Visuals (Matured Elegance with Maturing Elegance) Kazuha and Eunchae being killer dancers (Precision and Energy) Chaewon and Yunjin being the Stage Presence bosses & Monster vocalists (Or as I nickname them, “The one’s who Mother ™️”) I hate how hyperactive my imagination can be sometimes because I can see every possible detail of how OT6 Antifragile and even OT6 Unforgiven could be, and I’ll never get to see it. “But what about Eunchae?” Well she’d still 100% be an MC, host her own show, and no doubt still Rep the Antifragile opener (Garam would just get either the opening line or part of Yunjin’s Line. Because let’s face it, they were both made “the rival” because of different things from their past, just look at PD48 and Mnet’s History of Evil Editing). In Conclusion: I’m big angy and I won’t forget THE Opener / Closer to the Fearless Album. I especially won’t forget her because she was one of the first forms of K-pop merch I bought.
omg ur exactly like me. I keep obsessing over how perfect antifragile could have been with garam, and it would have been such a clapback to haters. Like imagine garam saying im antifragile or unforgiven yes im a villain
This whole case baffles me, like were people really bored that time when this all went down and chose pure hatred for this young girl. Also what about innocent until proven guilty or learning from the past. Remember Jennie also had accusations she was a school bully in her early years, then it turned out to be some 30yr old korean dude who got caught pretending he was a girl who went to the same school as her in New Zealand 😂
I’m so happy this video is back. This is one of the best videos, talking about the garam situation, and how this reflects on the kpop community as a whole. It was one of my personal favorite for you. Thanks for re-uploading
yes, never let this die, because it exposed the worst of the worst of the "kpop community", those people just want to move on to apply the same treatment once another (cofffemalecoff) idol is accused of something
I'd probably get jumped by this but I firmly believe that knetz (and many kpop stans in that matter) are not happy seeing women being successful (except for their ults). Hence they were looking for something to prevent that from happening. They saw Garam and knew she had potential to be that huge, but at the same time she was an easy target because she hasn't harnessed that much power yet. This is so sickening and until now I still feel sad and frustrated everytime I see Le Sserafim. I love the other members too and I don't wish them to suffer from this, but it is so unfair that up until now nothing has been said about the truth and some people still thought Garam was guilty. The only proof she wasn't a bully was on someone else's IG, not on any official platform. Nothing was learned. This will keep happening in the future. Innocent underaged kids will keep becoming victims. This is not okay.
agreed knetizens have had a history of attacking and bullying past female artist in the first gen. it has lessen over the years but still happens to this day. it shows how misogynistic SK society truly is and its very balatant
I mean woojin got the same treatment cuz he “bullied poor baby skz” so I don’t think it’s a gender thing more just fans being hypocritical and picking and choosing. Cuz fans always defend their favs but drag someone else for the same thing
I wish Garam the best with her acting career. She is truly such an angel to still even want to be in the entertainment industry. I would leave the country and start a new life at that point with no socials ever. I will never not be pissed about what has happened to her until she gets some sort of justice. #JusticeForGaram
Thank you for making this!!!!! I stood by her innocence the whole time. It was definitely a battle field in the comments during that time ( still can be), people that actually went against her calling her a bully turned into bullies who said nasty things. NOW let my girl shine again and lets stop controlling things we shouldn’t, and just be grateful we get to watch such talented people who work so hard shine like they deserve!….. we are fans not managers who are also human and we all make mistakes.💕✨
i never believed the rumors (i never do with these idol scandals, maybe because im an adult and not a teen anymore? who knows) and i was so happy when hybe was protecting her. i really hoped she would continue promoting. i miss her and she was an important part of the group. i cant believe what they did to her. to this day, thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach. me at 16 dealing with this? i wouldnt have survived. and i mean it. i hope she's made peace with herself and the situation and that she's stronger than ever. fighting garam!!!
thank you for this. she deserves justice and kpop stans need to be held accountable. they can blame the industry, the company or the person who created the rumours, but theyre the real villains. they were tue ones believing everything without proof, spreading misinformation, constantly hating on her, hating on hype for giving her a chance and trying to protect her. had they just shut up and waited, this whole thing would have been avoided. until there's a huge shift in the way people handle scandals, we can't let them forget this. the most infuriating part about this whole situation is how, even a few days after she was proven innocent and we tried to bring it up to clear her name, people were saying it was old news and they were bored. as if this wasn't a whole 16 year old kid's career they ruined because they wanted drama and a public execution.
I definitely still stan Le Sserafim because i support all 6 members and their music is good. But I never intend to interact with anyone in the fandom unless i get clear confirmation that they supported Garam from the start. I will also never listen to Fearless five member version, anyone who does cannot call themselves "Fearnot".
Some things can’t be fixed, can’t be made right. But someone should still apologize. Someone should admit that she was wronged. I understand why the remaining members were too terrified to do the right thing back then. But they should do the right thing now.
I still listen to their music but it will indeed never be the same. What baffles me the most is the people who simply disregard the evidence of her innocence. Like???? I actually have to take periodic breaks from Kpop because of this cause and how much it disturbs me. I've been hearing that she is now chasing new horizons as an actress and that is amazing to hear. But I sure miss her voice as a singer.
same im with txt moa luvs on only casually listening to their music not fully stanning or taking part of the fandom. The fandom makes or breaks if i invest in a group fully and for the most part fandoms are too cringe for me so i support silently but with lessarafim i almost cant listen to the remakes with their debut songs and skip it each time it still too hard to move on from what happened
Keep talking. We need to remind people, and keep reminding them, what jumping on the hate bandwagon can do to a person like Garam, Soojin and even AOA's Jimin.
i’m glad people are still talking about this. garam is being treated like she committed arson when all she did was make a mistake in middle school. chaewon, sakura, and yunjin stans were so excited that they were gonna debut that they shoved garam under the bus when the accusations came out, accusing her of “ruining” the group. it was infuriating.
i think many of the fearnots cared more about their group then saving a member they dont know. this would have been a different story if it was chowon or sakura.
Such a good video, and Im glad you addressed stuff i haven't seen other people address much. I hate when people say "get over her she's gone now" like that's the reason we keep making the same mistakes, if we don't remind ourselves of our past mistakes we will keep making more
The sad part to me is that even after she is proven innocent HYBE still feel the need to erase her from Le Sserafim's history, releasing 2023 versions of Fearless LP songs so those that choose to stay ignorant can still listen to the songs. Doing her dirty even after the fact.
I can't the fact they released a fearless 2023 version and a 2023 blue flame version that makes me mad. I am glad they didn't do it with Sour grapes tho bc Garam has her iconic part that would've sent me
I can't belive that people destroyed her career and just left her there even after proves of her innocence. Sadly Koreans didn't cared or it didn't went viral cause they still label her as a bully and they don't want her to return to the entertainment industry
i was on a k-pop hiatus a while ago, the only reason i came back is because of le sserafim (and newejans). i still see comments and videos hating on garam to this day, even though the sv report supports garam's statement. i hope garam is doing well, she would've been my ultimate bias if all of this didn't happen.
Thanks for the analysis and clip list. I stumbled onto LSF around antifragile and was kind of perplexed about this ex-member getting all this hate and thinking how it was even a scandal. Not exactly Burning Sun, is it?. I was def on her side and am still grateful that she stepped aside and allowed LSF to thrive. I thought Hybe bungled her defense, but I'm happy they let her debut and then bought out her contract. I read her most recent statement (she must be free of non-disclosure agreement after a year) and found it very gracious. To me she's still part of LSF and I hope she's still close to the other members and will find the success she deserves in whatever she chooses to do.
Thank you for making this video. Kpop stans are horrible people who dont care for minors but drama. She was a good performer & she was just a 16 year old
She was my Bias🥹. I was heartbroken by the news of her departure from the group. I wish her a bright future in whatever she chooses. I miss my baby so much.😢
I always thought that if she continued in the group she’d be my ult bias she was so pretty to me and her stage presence 🙌and ik i cant say “omg the group feels empty without her” but it kinda does since i know it was a 6 member group and she’s literally missing
Its so weird how kpop stans were hating on her so much, saying she should be kicked out and that she deserves nothing, but as soon as shes proven innocent those same stans say that hybe should have done a better job of protecting her. Theyre seriously acting like they weren't hating on a teenager without any actual proof. Like, i dont even really like hybe, but from what i have seen, they did try to defend her, and only kicked her out because of what stans wanted. This whole situation just shows that kpop stans dont understand the idea of taking accountability.
No, this!! The most ironic part is that everyone believed Yoo Eunseo… yet, they didn’t know her face or her real name (cause Yoo Eunseo is a false name so she could stay anonymous). She straight up admitted to leaking Garam’s friends nudes yet people claimed Hybe was lying. Now, I will say this last thing… I partly blame Hybe because by April 15th she had given them all the evidence they needed to prove her innocence but they refused to release it or let others as well. When the cropped SVC Doc was released, they already the full version & could’ve instantly cleared her but they didn’t. I can’t forgive Hybe for sitting on the evidence that proved her innocence in the end BUT I mainly blame stupid & toxic Kpop Stan’s who just don’t learn. I truly think they can’t function without being vile pieces of shit humans.
I still can't accept how they removed her for nothing. Just because "they can". And people were so quick to judge. Those 14 year olds have never experienced any hate towards them, but are already full of fury and toxicity to hate on someone for nothing. Seeing the comments "Ot5 foreverr!!!❤" makes my heart bleed. I don't understand how we live in the society like this.
Personally, the drama I’ve seen these fandoms put these girls as teenagers would have sent me into a spiraling in Depression and into a breakdown. That was a very dark time of my life, so I can’t imagine how it would have been today. The internet has revved up bullying significantly, and it has become even more ruthless.
What's crazier is that after ruining her life ,now every kpop stan and their mother claims they always knew she was innocent and Hybe set her up and the whole bullying scandal to bring popularity to the group (bffr ,hybe is the last company that needs to use crass promotional tactics like those) . Hybe literally spent 3 months defending her and looking for ways to bring her back to the group. I think they probabably only ever gave in after realising they needed to start preparing for the group's second come back and the scandal was nowhere near going away
You know what's worse? The members were probably crying loudly when she left. We should start thinking about the other girls reactions. I mean: -Chaewon once forgot Garam wasn't there when they were doing the heart pose (Chaewon was the leader and she was very close to Garam, she probably felt guilty when Garam left.) -Eunchae was also close to Garam, they were almost the same age and probably that's what made them so close. Eunchae needed someone of her age, someone that she could relate with (She was very different during predebut era) And ALL the members were friends with Garam, imagine how it must feel when you train for a whole year with someone, and when your results start to show, that person leaves. Garam auditioned like 2 times for Hybe, was rejected 2 times and in the third try she made it. Here you can see she had a lot of determination. Anyways, Kim Garam Fighting 💃
Idk if im making myself unpopular or smth but like. I totally agree with the video and all. (if all that never happened and the fandom and other fandom's just let it be her own business I wouldn't be saying this) I think it was better for her to leave, she is innocent but like her leaving the group was the right choice for her mental health since she would have been bashed and get a lot of hate if she stayed
stans never ever really learned their lesseon. Don't judge quickly and be neutral but ofc many stans don't give a damn about it and just love hating these idols. they need people like garam to gain hit tweets and such. so many idols being victim of this cyber bullying, recently its wonhee becoz she's korea's favorite. they don't care about these idol's feelings nor the consequences of their actions. I really really don't want to see a news of su!cide just like sulli and jonghyun.
Ik she’s going for acting or something but I’d really like to see her be an idol again or atleast hear her in an ost i really miss her she was my bias I hope when she’s ready our love can over power whatever hate she’ll get
I think the most annoying shit about this is how people switched up so fast. I was always been neutral since I know kpop like to call anyone and everyone a bully so I just want to sit in the middle. But these people went to call her a bully BY BEING A BULLY towards her. Like grown ass adults bullying her is so pathetic 😭 like y’all what the hell. They were so rude and it’s scary. Even when it comes to bullying as much is bullying a major issue it’s not that fucking deep to the point for grown women telling a teen to kys. Like y’all need to pay y’all damn taxes tf u doing. They did my sis dirty
Oh my god thank you for mentioning about the backlash from Hybe defending Garam. Lmao and some would still say Hybe ruined her but they didn't. The company tried their best, even provided facts. I have noticed that netizens (both Korean and international) won't support a company or artist if they attack a minor for their lies. I remember an artist getting attacked for suing a minor for their hateful lies. And to think now the netizens blame hybe for not releasing the document?!?! Lol as if. Had they released it they would have been called evil for misusing their powers on a minor. All of this shit show is the netizen's fault. BOTH korean and international. I will never forget this incident because it was clear that no matter how much an artist is defended there's no use when the target audience is fucked up in the head.
yes people were angry that hybe was defending garam. people spread a false narrative that bang pd was attracted to her because she looked like a singer he mentioned that he liked a long time ago. and people said her parents were loaded and bribing hybe to protect garam. ughh this makes me so upset! it was so bad at the time. i was neutral and open about it. people called me a weirdo for not hating on her... i feel like kpop stans should start thinking for yourself rather than blindly supporting baseless narratives. more things i remember that happened on social media during the scandal: someone made a viral edit of chaewon sh**ting garam in the chest and people in the comments were enjoying it, people openly bodyshaming garam, many le sserafim stans became ot5 when she was on hiatus and wanted her to leave the group, people spreading pannchoa articles as "proof" of garam being a bully, and as i mentioned in another comment, people spread a narrative that hybe caused the "victim" to commit s word resulting in more hate piling on garam.
And to think she was only 16 when all of this was happening at its peak. Kpop stans claim they care and want to protect minors but their actions say otherwise :/
I was interested in Le Sserafim when they debuted because of Chaewon, and I fell in love with Kazuha and Garam immediately. When the Garam situation blew up, I tried to stay neutral, but watching people attack her in the comments based on the smallest pieces of information just sent me and I would comment on articles about how insane the situation is and that we shouldn't be attacking her or kicking her out without the full story, which led to 'fans' attacking me in return. I truely love Le Sserafim, but stanning them after what the fandom did to Garam is physically and mentally painful, and I will never forget this incident for the rest of my life. Being a part of the kpop community was already embarrassing, but it was without a doubt 100% because of the Garam situation that I literally stopped telling people I listened to kpop. I still do of course, but its honestly so disgusting to be associated with the fandoms at this point. If there is karma in this world, I hope its holding its breath over everyone who tore Garam down.
Honestly I wish Lucas was defended by his company the same way HYBE defended Garam. Sadly the haters won and now both were injusticely kicked out of the group :(
I wonder how all those people thought it made sense that Garam was caught smoking in middle school then just continued on with her life facing no repercussions and then she proceeded to drop a flower pot on someones head and get arrested but then like earlier just continued on with her life as if none of this had happened. It was clear that she wasn't from some big rich influential family like in most other real bullying cases in Korea so how did all of that make sense to someone?
After Garam left, the group's music isn't my cup of tea anymore. I still only listen to the Fearless album to this day. Unforgiven and Antifragile aren't for me
Fearnots ot6 : #garamout #lesserafive Fearnots after her evidence put : bro why are we still talkjng about herrr?? Fearnots nowadays under garam topic videos : "She is out already, get over it?" The amount of gaslight fearnots make 🤡 Yes I have confident to say "fearnot", at least 80% of fearnots are actually like this and I would see this everyday especially any mention of OT6 videos 💀
When I saw the pics of "Garam" my first thought was "damn did she get work done or smthng?" cuz it was so obvious that it isn't the same person but ofcourse the sheer will and determination to portray the poor girl as a villain overtook most peoples eyes and made them blind. I was in the kpop community when Woojin, Jimin and Soojins scandal happened but was never very involved or interested then I found EGUs videos about it and right after that this thing broke out and it immediately just felt like deja vu. The first green flag I saw that made me consider changing from neutral to supporting Garam was when I found multiple posts saying that when the "victim" had accused Garam many students from their school had started commenting and talking about how it wasn't true but ofcourse fans said Hybe was paying a bunch of 15-16 year olds to lie on the internet.
What really get me , is that her life is fucked. All her life it will follow her. Because even proven innocent people will doubt. She can’t get a job or go to university without this scandal being bring up. Because if I was her boss or class mate I would question if I want this reputation to be associated to me. I mean Korea is super judgmental and has big bullying society, (like military, company, trainee, university, story come out all the time on naver, it’s not just high school, the way they form society and social statue and older/younger ) so It’s just going to happen people will talk behind her back and justify treating her bad because she was once a bully. Like I really hope she has a good support system.
I remember, I became a full kpop stan around the time of the Garam scandal and I couldn't beleive how a young girl lost her career for NOTHING. It made me mad just thinking how easily someone so young could lose a career that didn't even start yet
I remember defending her case. Asking people to stop being so prejudiced. The way people, especially international fans, treat these cases is embarassing and worrying at the same time. There's no benefit of the doubt, no waiting for evidences to pop up, no providing both parties equal opportunities to defend themselves. Lmao kpop industry was toxic as it was but international exposure made it even worse.
Just imagine if in a lesserafim concert someone will have sign of garam just to show support to her. I think despite what has happened I really think she has a shot of debuting with a company at some point in the future. While I am upset with how the internet reacted towards this I think people need to grow up and stop acting like you can control how a company runs. In the end I do blame HYBE for caving in instead of making a stance and for once a K-pop company will not be influenced by public opinion. It’s important to have the public on your side, but there are times in life where there’s a line to draw on. This was a moment to make that stance. Instead HYBE is incapable of protecting their Artists. Hopefully garam will show HYBE they where sorry for letting her go. And I think she will have the last laugh. Thank you for this insightful video!
I think it’s sad that she had to leave the group. I feel like if Hybe waited to debut the group she would’ve still been promoting with them and people would’ve eventually gotten over it and her name would be clear beforehand. Idk if she left the company too but if she didn’t hopefully Hybe plans on debuting her in another group or even solo, she’s still young and deserves to take a shot at her dreams.
Unfortunately her company contract also got terminated so it’s unlikely she’ll ever return to HYBE :( hopefully another company scouts her and if not then I hope she’ll find an opportunity for acting :)
Hybe did what they should as a company. At some point it was not viable to keep her on. Not the fault of HYBE they are a company at the end of the day and made the best financial decision for them. The pure brutality of Netz is horrifying. At the end of the day HYBE is a business and they are their to make money not to do what is right.
All I would advise is move on. You know what when I first saw Garam I saw the it factor in her she had visual, beauty ,addictive tone , the persona and till to this day I believe if Garam did not have the bullying scandal wonyoung would have a competition for the"IT Girl" title. She is the girl for whom I can see many brands would die
Same thing with Soojin because these girls did not deserve what they got especially when other idols were ACTUAL BULLIES AND ARE STILL IN THEIR GROUP (*cough cough Hyunjin)
I think the there is another group the ones that switched sides quickly... first they blamed hybe for defending garam then after they blamed hybe for letting her go ..
Also I’m doing a second comment but it’s the recycled hate for me- like y’all watch especially with the rise of ai people finna go crazy cus during the Chan issue stays made deepfakes of Leesoo and if they had ai during garam shit watch them bug tf out.
ngl i came to the garam incident, going with the jimin and mina mind set, i wanted to be neutral but stayed on garam’s side cause all the “evidence” imo didnt seem legit, and ots sad to see people hate on another, like when and how are you thinking this will help anyone by sending deatn threats to someone, i just wanted justice for her.
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We should never accept with quiet embarrassment what happened to Kim Garam. And the MAIN REASON, apart from the justice she deserves, is that THIS COULD HAPPEN TO ANY OTHER IDOL. AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES WE MADE WITH GARAM. If we're quiet about cases like this and cases like Woojin's and cases like Soojin's, we are doomed to forget the profound impact and pain these situations had on people, and consequentially cause the same pain to other artists. Kpop fans ruined this girls life. We ruined her career and her dreams and she accepted it with grace and disappeared. We can't be doing this to everyone. I hope we never do it again.
we made almost the same mistakes with woojin the ex stray kids member
"fans" :/
choked and left crumbs
"Yes, I'm still talking about Kim Garam" AS YOU SHOULD. "Getting over her" is not fair. "Getting over her" is forgetting her and this horrible case, it's letting the wrong side win. I'll never shut up about this cuz what people did to her is disgusting and plain stupid. Everyone saying "She was here for two weeks, you have issues if you're attached" are just ashamed and guilty now that they've been proven wrong. We're not "weirdly attached to a 16 year old", we're just not okay with a child having her dreams ruined over lies and "for fun" of people that see her as nothing more than passing drama in their otherwise boring lives. And it's so funny that people were shitting on HYBE when they were defending her and taking proper action as a good company should and now I see people shitting on HYBE cuz apparently "they didn't protect her and shouldn't have kicked her out" 💀 as if they literally weren't forced to do it 💀💀 I'll ALWAYS be pissed about this. How so many people can be this stupid and disgusting is beyond me. I'll never stop being angry about this, NEVER.
Edit: People are misunderstanding, I'm not being actively angry about this or on her behalf. I simply refuse to forget what happened to her, and all the other people who suffered in similar situations. I'm empathizing and taking responsibility as part of the community that was responsible for all of this. Once again, forgetting is letting the wrong side win.
I completely agree that people should be angry I just hope people don't let this ivershine the groups success and how they are now. People shouldn't say they're better with 5 or 6 members because their line-up is never gonna change now. I personally don't think about Garam because she wasn't a member long enough and I had no attachment to her as a member of the group but I do agree that she should not have been kicked out of the group and that what happened to her is terrible. It's not okay for people to say they should get over what happened but I think it's fair to say that I don't talk about the Garam situation because I simply don't have enough attachment to it whether or not it is sad and annoying
YES! Kpop netizens are mostly shallow people, they cannot reflect on their own actions and wrongdoings. I know there are MANY children who are obsessed with Kpop and will gladly take sides, but they still add to the problem. Also, I don't think I have to mention the adults as described. I really would love to see her re-debut, I've been checking but no news 😢
Wellll, it's been a year since she left, and honestly, I did not know about leseraffim as I did not follow them then, but omg this was sooo horrid, I would literally be so sad and depressed had I been in her place, I STRONGLYYY want some updates about her, she should not let a single bit of her talent go to waste, I TRULY TRULY wish garam becomes a singer again and f those kpop companies, she already has a strong fanbase that would support her, just a song performance and modelling for some brands, AND I BET she'd be sooooo famous, She is sooo young with such a sweet voice, I really want her on stage again
I think its terrible what that did to crush her dream after all this hard work, but you have to move on as well. Getting angry on garam’s behalf wont do anything to change the fact that she is no longer apart of le sserafim.
Finally someone with a platform who has a brain! Thank you. She was only 12 and all she did was curse at someone who shared a nude of her friend! People do way worse shit in school than just defending their friends!
I'm still not over Garam's situation even though she wasn't my bias! She worked hard for years to be able to debut in one of the most popular kpop groups, she deserved to live her dream life.
Some may have genuinely believed she's a bully but most were simply jealous of her beauty and her position.
I really wish Hybe hadn't let her go ... 💔 although I kinda understand why they did it.
I really hope and I'm almsot certain she'll come back, I hope she comes back and becomes one of the most popular artists ❤
i dont thinks shes coming back (as an idol), but she was spotted training in a studio for a new acting career.
99% of people will disagree with me but I personally still want GARAM to come back to leaserafim.
After all the shit she has been through, she deserved to be famous and all dreams come true.
ME TOO!! if only knetiznes weren't strict about bullying allegations even tho they were proven false like common her talents were wasted 😭 she could have became more
I don't want her to be in Lesserafim,i hope she debuts in another group or as a soloist
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Iland-2 👉 what if she??🌝😱
Last I heard from her she is studying acting@@johnkim6574
To much time has passed unfortunately
i remember people were convinced that hybe caused the "victim" to commit you know what... that was when i started thinking about the facts of the scandal. what's true and what's false. it's really upsetting that rumors with zero proof were able to spread so far. the "victim" is still alive btw. and i hope she gets her karma
So, about Garam's current situation:
-Right now she's at school of performing arts and she will graduate next year, she's studying actuation so it looks like she will become an actress since that was her original dream. But there's still a chance to see her on stage again.
-She received a lot of gifts from her China fans some months ago and she's grateful for that.
-There's been rumors that she's going to open her ig account soon because of a photo that Yudimi posted
i hope she does definelty will follow and support. also glad to hear acting is her main dream and hope it starts well. perhaps to web dramas after securing small roles and getting tons of experience and training of courese and maybe she can return on the stage with covers in a way idk wish to hear her lovely voice once more
everyone's talking about garam but do you know what happened to yun eunseo (kim garam's bully)? I want to know if she faced any consequences cause this is literally defamation. she got jealous and destroyed garam's potential.
@@arjun_gt6since she was under 14 when it happened idk if anything could be done cuz I think in Korea under 14 can’t be prosecuted for crimes but I could be wrong so you’ll have to look into it
I don't blame people for still defending Garam. The injustice of it all - is infuriating !
The fact that so many people were participating and driven, to bring down an innocent person, reveals a lot about them.
I truly wish the company was steadfast in support of her...
thank you for continuing the discourse on this. the point is that this isn't just about Garam, its about all of the idols who have had their careers and reputations destroyed at a VERY young age based on often fake or unproven allegations/accusations. when ravn of oneus was forced out of the group AFTER Garam's whole ordeal was settled i couldn't believe it. we STILL hadn't learned anything. This could still happen to any idol in the industry :(
As an almost 4-year-old To Moon, I SO agree. OT5 To Moons should be ashamed as hell for celebrating him leaving as well, because in comparison to Le Sserafim (not saying they weren’t saddened by Garam’s departure, they certainly were) you could CLEARLY see just how devastated and heartbroken the ONEUS members were knowing they no longer have Ravn, who was like the group dad to them. People never learn, and the scariest part is that idols like him, Garam and Soojin won’t be the last ones who’ll suffer.
She was literally bullied for supposedly being a bully (?)!
The thing I hate the most about Kpop discussions online is that 99% just follow what the current trending opinion is. Everybody loves Aespa until one day, a popular video said that they're lacking skills and the comments agree with it. Since this moment and for a few months, I saw hundreds of videos and thousands of comments hating on Aespa. Same happens with IVE : someone said they look like coworkers and it was over, everyone suddenly felt the same. And don't get me on the "my unpopular opinions" that are most of the time stuff that everybody is saying !
Also : liking comments is also participating in the hate ! Having 5 top comments saying mean things is something, but these comments being liked thousand times is something else for the idol that may be reading them ! It's also the "likes" that make an opinion trendy or not !
What's sad is that I see people everyday repeating the same kind of mistake with new idols (targeting some idol for random reasons and cyber bullying them). These past few days it's been Kendall from Vcha (new JYP GG). I really hope she doesn't read too much what is being said online... Poor girl is only 16. If she goes into hiatus (or worst) the same people will be like "poor one she was so young and people were so mean".
yeah totally agree its happening evern more bc trhey see they can create a fake story and roll with it. Now that can make it even harder in the future for people who actually were hurt to come out if this keeps continuing without being dealt with properly :/
The irony is that the people who claim to be so against bullying decided to bully a minor. Many of them being full-grown adults calling her "jobless" once removed. People just hate seeing talented/pretty idols succeed at this point.
EXACTLY. YOU ARE SO FUCKING RIGHT. I blocked some of my own "friends" doing this time (internet only but still)
Garam didn't get thrown out bcs she bullied anyone, she got thrown bcs OF US. It's literally kpop stans fault.
yes girl! you really hit it on all of the points of this case. I didn't know that Yoo Eunsoo didn't have a face and always stayed anonymous when she was the perpetrator of all this hate.
Thanks for the video
Tbh, I actually started following Le Sserfim when all this Garam scandal was going on. So I did not the full scope of it.
But during that time whichever K-tuber video I saw, they seem to be saying the same thing.
1) They were blaming Hybe for not doing background check on the members before taking them in the grp.
2) Then they blamed Hybe for having some underhanded shady deal with Garam to have been protecting her even when so many rumours about her was going on.
3)When Hybe put her in hiatus, and put out a statement, every k-tuber started pointing out that why Hybe was so hell bent on keeping a bully in their company and destroying other girls future
4) Finally when the contract was terminated, suddenly all the k-tuber tone changed and they started saying that Hybe is awful at managing grps, they cannot even take care of a member, they couldn't even give proof and threw a girl out and destroyed her future.
When all this happened, I was appalled at the hypocrisy of K-tubers. From everywhere Hybe was pressurized. Esp kookielit, that channel is awful. They spread so much misinformation and hate and then tried to act innocent when Garam's contract was dissolved. I am ashamed to say that even I got into their words and thought maybe Garam was at fault and Hybe should not promote her as it is affecting the other girls. But after everything ended and I saw the true colors of this k-tubers and how they then started showing that Garam was innocent, I was extremely angry on myself. I decided to never look at any other k-tuber video as it is disgusting how much misleading info they give and how hypocritical they are.
You are only one who actually said that Hybe was not wrong to protect their artist and took clear stance. So I decided to listen to you till the end. And now I feel even worse to have come under the influence of these Ktubers words. I hope the girl can build her career safely in future.
Don’t feel bad about yourself please, what matters now is that we all give her all the love and support she deserves :) I’m glad to know that you’re on her side 🤍
Tbh i pity Garam. For me she could be center of Le serrafim. I remember the fearless mv where she was the one that appeared first and she caught my attenetion and then yunjin and Kazuha. Even there are two veteran which are Sakura and Chaeweon, Garam and Yujin still managed to shy. She also could be the visual of the group for real. That's why i feel so sorry towards her cause she had the charisma but the stupid rumour killed her dream. Luckily, she still alive cause the amount of hate she received is massive.
The whole world should apologize to Garam. But even that happens, it's useless. Her career was destroyed by lies spread by disgusting and jealous people.
It’s honestly perfect how much “things” slot into place when looking at Le Sserafim as a concept of 6:
3 members chasing a dream (Yunjin, Garam, and Eunchae) where as there are 3 members redefining themselves (Sakura, Kazuha, and Chaewon)
3 higher / brighter vocals (Sakura, Chaewon, and Garam) with 3 more deep / cooler vocals (Kazuha, Yunjin, Eunchae)
Sakura and Garam being the dual Visuals (Matured Elegance with Maturing Elegance)
Kazuha and Eunchae being killer dancers (Precision and Energy)
Chaewon and Yunjin being the Stage Presence bosses & Monster vocalists (Or as I nickname them, “The one’s who Mother ™️”)
I hate how hyperactive my imagination can be sometimes because I can see every possible detail of how OT6 Antifragile and even OT6 Unforgiven could be, and I’ll never get to see it.
“But what about Eunchae?” Well she’d still 100% be an MC, host her own show, and no doubt still Rep the Antifragile opener (Garam would just get either the opening line or part of Yunjin’s Line. Because let’s face it, they were both made “the rival” because of different things from their past, just look at PD48 and Mnet’s History of Evil Editing).
In Conclusion: I’m big angy and I won’t forget THE Opener / Closer to the Fearless Album. I especially won’t forget her because she was one of the first forms of K-pop merch I bought.
You’re not the only one constantly imagining how Antifragile and Unforgiven would’ve sounded with Garam in it cuz I do the same 🥲
omg ur exactly like me. I keep obsessing over how perfect antifragile could have been with garam, and it would have been such a clapback to haters. Like imagine garam saying im antifragile or unforgiven yes im a villain
This whole story is sad 😢 hope she gets a redemption arc
This whole case baffles me, like were people really bored that time when this all went down and chose pure hatred for this young girl. Also what about innocent until proven guilty or learning from the past. Remember Jennie also had accusations she was a school bully in her early years, then it turned out to be some 30yr old korean dude who got caught pretending he was a girl who went to the same school as her in New Zealand 😂
I’m so happy this video is back. This is one of the best videos, talking about the garam situation, and how this reflects on the kpop community as a whole. It was one of my personal favorite for you.
Thanks for re-uploading
I hope Garam and Soojin would be part of a new group together. That would break the kpop industry.
I'm glad to tell you that Soojin is back😌
yes, never let this die, because it exposed the worst of the worst of the "kpop community", those people just want to move on to apply the same treatment once another (cofffemalecoff) idol is accused of something
I'd probably get jumped by this but I firmly believe that knetz (and many kpop stans in that matter) are not happy seeing women being successful (except for their ults). Hence they were looking for something to prevent that from happening. They saw Garam and knew she had potential to be that huge, but at the same time she was an easy target because she hasn't harnessed that much power yet. This is so sickening and until now I still feel sad and frustrated everytime I see Le Sserafim. I love the other members too and I don't wish them to suffer from this, but it is so unfair that up until now nothing has been said about the truth and some people still thought Garam was guilty. The only proof she wasn't a bully was on someone else's IG, not on any official platform. Nothing was learned. This will keep happening in the future. Innocent underaged kids will keep becoming victims. This is not okay.
agreed knetizens have had a history of attacking and bullying past female artist in the first gen. it has lessen over the years but still happens to this day. it shows how misogynistic SK society truly is and its very balatant
This is definitely true. Knetz are misogynistic as hell. Look at the stuff they’re saying to FiftyFifty rn.
I mean woojin got the same treatment cuz he “bullied poor baby skz” so I don’t think it’s a gender thing more just fans being hypocritical and picking and choosing. Cuz fans always defend their favs but drag someone else for the same thing
I wish Garam the best with her acting career. She is truly such an angel to still even want to be in the entertainment industry. I would leave the country and start a new life at that point with no socials ever. I will never not be pissed about what has happened to her until she gets some sort of justice. #JusticeForGaram
Thank you for making this!!!!! I stood by her innocence the whole time. It was definitely a battle field in the comments during that time ( still can be), people that actually went against her calling her a bully turned into bullies who said nasty things. NOW let my girl shine again and lets stop controlling things we shouldn’t, and just be grateful we get to watch such talented people who work so hard shine like they deserve!….. we are fans not managers who are also human and we all make mistakes.💕✨
YALL! GARAM NEEDS TO SEE THIS AND I SWEAR THIS GIRL IS A LENGED FOR MAKING THIS VID!
Omg 😭🤍
i never believed the rumors (i never do with these idol scandals, maybe because im an adult and not a teen anymore? who knows) and i was so happy when hybe was protecting her. i really hoped she would continue promoting. i miss her and she was an important part of the group. i cant believe what they did to her. to this day, thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach. me at 16 dealing with this? i wouldnt have survived. and i mean it. i hope she's made peace with herself and the situation and that she's stronger than ever. fighting garam!!!
I hope garam haters could watch this
thank you for this. she deserves justice and kpop stans need to be held accountable. they can blame the industry, the company or the person who created the rumours, but theyre the real villains. they were tue ones believing everything without proof, spreading misinformation, constantly hating on her, hating on hype for giving her a chance and trying to protect her. had they just shut up and waited, this whole thing would have been avoided. until there's a huge shift in the way people handle scandals, we can't let them forget this.
the most infuriating part about this whole situation is how, even a few days after she was proven innocent and we tried to bring it up to clear her name, people were saying it was old news and they were bored. as if this wasn't a whole 16 year old kid's career they ruined because they wanted drama and a public execution.
I only hope for Garam to have a good life after all the shit she went through. I think she's gonna come back as an actress or so I've heard. 🎉
I definitely still stan Le Sserafim because i support all 6 members and their music is good. But I never intend to interact with anyone in the fandom unless i get clear confirmation that they supported Garam from the start. I will also never listen to Fearless five member version, anyone who does cannot call themselves "Fearnot".
Some things can’t be fixed, can’t be made right. But someone should still apologize. Someone should admit that she was wronged. I understand why the remaining members were too terrified to do the right thing back then. But they should do the right thing now.
I still listen to their music but it will indeed never be the same. What baffles me the most is the people who simply disregard the evidence of her innocence. Like???? I actually have to take periodic breaks from Kpop because of this cause and how much it disturbs me. I've been hearing that she is now chasing new horizons as an actress and that is amazing to hear. But I sure miss her voice as a singer.
same im with txt moa luvs on only casually listening to their music not fully stanning or taking part of the fandom. The fandom makes or breaks if i invest in a group fully and for the most part fandoms are too cringe for me so i support silently but with lessarafim i almost cant listen to the remakes with their debut songs and skip it each time it still too hard to move on from what happened
Keep talking. We need to remind people, and keep reminding them, what jumping on the hate bandwagon can do to a person like Garam, Soojin and even AOA's Jimin.
People who spent there time hating, just need jobs and or hobbys. Or even a life...
Thank you for this ❤ I’m really looking forward to Garam’s return….
i’m glad people are still talking about this. garam is being treated like she committed arson when all she did was make a mistake in middle school. chaewon, sakura, and yunjin stans were so excited that they were gonna debut that they shoved garam under the bus when the accusations came out, accusing her of “ruining” the group. it was infuriating.
i think many of the fearnots cared more about their group then saving a member they dont know. this would have been a different story if it was chowon or sakura.
It wasn’t even a “mistake” she was defending her friend. She was being a good person and she was labeled a bully for it.
Stan OT6 LESSERAFIM 😢 I’m not a fearnot I’m a serene and I don’t want to be a part of a fandom that ruined one of their groups idols for no reason 🙁
Such a good video, and Im glad you addressed stuff i haven't seen other people address much. I hate when people say "get over her she's gone now" like that's the reason we keep making the same mistakes, if we don't remind ourselves of our past mistakes we will keep making more
The sad part to me is that even after she is proven innocent HYBE still feel the need to erase her from Le Sserafim's history, releasing 2023 versions of Fearless LP songs so those that choose to stay ignorant can still listen to the songs. Doing her dirty even after the fact.
I can't the fact they released a fearless 2023 version and a 2023 blue flame version that makes me mad. I am glad they didn't do it with Sour grapes tho bc Garam has her iconic part that would've sent me
I can't belive that people destroyed her career and just left her there even after proves of her innocence. Sadly Koreans didn't cared or it didn't went viral cause they still label her as a bully and they don't want her to return to the entertainment industry
i was on a k-pop hiatus a while ago, the only reason i came back is because of le sserafim (and newejans). i still see comments and videos hating on garam to this day, even though the sv report supports garam's statement. i hope garam is doing well, she would've been my ultimate bias if all of this didn't happen.
Thanks for the analysis and clip list. I stumbled onto LSF around antifragile and was kind of perplexed about this ex-member getting all this hate and thinking how it was even a scandal. Not exactly Burning Sun, is it?. I was def on her side and am still grateful that she stepped aside and allowed LSF to thrive. I thought Hybe bungled her defense, but I'm happy they let her debut and then bought out her contract. I read her most recent statement (she must be free of non-disclosure agreement after a year) and found it very gracious. To me she's still part of LSF and I hope she's still close to the other members and will find the success she deserves in whatever she chooses to do.
Thank you for making this video. Kpop stans are horrible people who dont care for minors but drama. She was a good performer & she was just a 16 year old
She was my Bias🥹. I was heartbroken by the news of her departure from the group. I wish her a bright future in whatever she chooses. I miss my baby so much.😢
I always thought that if she continued in the group she’d be my ult bias she was so pretty to me and her stage presence 🙌and ik i cant say “omg the group feels empty without her” but it kinda does since i know it was a 6 member group and she’s literally missing
I'm just happy people still remember her❤
Me too :)
Garam I miss u😭😭
Its so weird how kpop stans were hating on her so much, saying she should be kicked out and that she deserves nothing, but as soon as shes proven innocent those same stans say that hybe should have done a better job of protecting her. Theyre seriously acting like they weren't hating on a teenager without any actual proof. Like, i dont even really like hybe, but from what i have seen, they did try to defend her, and only kicked her out because of what stans wanted. This whole situation just shows that kpop stans dont understand the idea of taking accountability.
Her case is so sad. It makes me so angry. I wish the best for her in acting or whatever she wants to do
No, this!!
The most ironic part is that everyone believed Yoo Eunseo… yet, they didn’t know her face or her real name (cause Yoo Eunseo is a false name so she could stay anonymous).
She straight up admitted to leaking Garam’s friends nudes yet people claimed Hybe was lying.
Now, I will say this last thing… I partly blame Hybe because by April 15th she had given them all the evidence they needed to prove her innocence but they refused to release it or let others as well. When the cropped SVC Doc was released, they already the full version & could’ve instantly cleared her but they didn’t.
I can’t forgive Hybe for sitting on the evidence that proved her innocence in the end BUT I mainly blame stupid & toxic Kpop Stan’s who just don’t learn. I truly think they can’t function without being vile pieces of shit humans.
I still can't accept how they removed her for nothing. Just because "they can". And people were so quick to judge. Those 14 year olds have never experienced any hate towards them, but are already full of fury and toxicity to hate on someone for nothing. Seeing the comments "Ot5 foreverr!!!❤" makes my heart bleed. I don't understand how we live in the society like this.
Personally, the drama I’ve seen these fandoms put these girls as teenagers would have sent me into a spiraling in Depression and into a breakdown. That was a very dark time of my life, so I can’t imagine how it would have been today.
The internet has revved up bullying significantly, and it has become even more ruthless.
What's crazier is that after ruining her life ,now every kpop stan and their mother claims they always knew she was innocent and Hybe set her up and the whole bullying scandal to bring popularity to the group (bffr ,hybe is the last company that needs to use crass promotional tactics like those) . Hybe literally spent 3 months defending her and looking for ways to bring her back to the group. I think they probabably only ever gave in after realising they needed to start preparing for the group's second come back and the scandal was nowhere near going away
You know what's worse? The members were probably crying loudly when she left. We should start thinking about the other girls reactions. I mean:
-Chaewon once forgot Garam wasn't there when they were doing the heart pose
(Chaewon was the leader and she was very close to Garam, she probably felt guilty when Garam left.)
-Eunchae was also close to Garam, they were almost the same age and probably that's what made them so close. Eunchae needed someone of her age, someone that she could relate with (She was very different during predebut era)
And ALL the members were friends with Garam, imagine how it must feel when you train for a whole year with someone, and when your results start to show, that person leaves. Garam auditioned like 2 times for Hybe, was rejected 2 times and in the third try she made it. Here you can see she had a lot of determination.
Anyways, Kim Garam Fighting 💃
I couldn't have talked about this topic better!
Thanks for talking about this, im still angry about what happen to Garam...
I want her back so bad
Idk if im making myself unpopular or smth but like. I totally agree with the video and all. (if all that never happened and the fandom and other fandom's just let it be her own business I wouldn't be saying this) I think it was better for her to leave, she is innocent but like her leaving the group was the right choice for her mental health since she would have been bashed and get a lot of hate if she stayed
stans never ever really learned their lesseon. Don't judge quickly and be neutral but ofc many stans don't give a damn about it and just love hating these idols. they need people like garam to gain hit tweets and such. so many idols being victim of this cyber bullying, recently its wonhee becoz she's korea's favorite. they don't care about these idol's feelings nor the consequences of their actions. I really really don't want to see a news of su!cide just like sulli and jonghyun.
Still with you garam 😭❤
Ik she’s going for acting or something but I’d really like to see her be an idol again or atleast hear her in an ost i really miss her she was my bias I hope when she’s ready our love can over power whatever hate she’ll get
I think the most annoying shit about this is how people switched up so fast. I was always been neutral since I know kpop like to call anyone and everyone a bully so I just want to sit in the middle. But these people went to call her a bully BY BEING A BULLY towards her. Like grown ass adults bullying her is so pathetic 😭 like y’all what the hell. They were so rude and it’s scary. Even when it comes to bullying as much is bullying a major issue it’s not that fucking deep to the point for grown women telling a teen to kys. Like y’all need to pay y’all damn taxes tf u doing. They did my sis dirty
Oh my god thank you for mentioning about the backlash from Hybe defending Garam. Lmao and some would still say Hybe ruined her but they didn't. The company tried their best, even provided facts. I have noticed that netizens (both Korean and international) won't support a company or artist if they attack a minor for their lies. I remember an artist getting attacked for suing a minor for their hateful lies. And to think now the netizens blame hybe for not releasing the document?!?! Lol as if. Had they released it they would have been called evil for misusing their powers on a minor. All of this shit show is the netizen's fault. BOTH korean and international. I will never forget this incident because it was clear that no matter how much an artist is defended there's no use when the target audience is fucked up in the head.
Honestly we can't expect much from a misogynistic society
yes people were angry that hybe was defending garam. people spread a false narrative that bang pd was attracted to her because she looked like a singer he mentioned that he liked a long time ago. and people said her parents were loaded and bribing hybe to protect garam. ughh this makes me so upset! it was so bad at the time. i was neutral and open about it. people called me a weirdo for not hating on her... i feel like kpop stans should start thinking for yourself rather than blindly supporting baseless narratives.
more things i remember that happened on social media during the scandal: someone made a viral edit of chaewon sh**ting garam in the chest and people in the comments were enjoying it, people openly bodyshaming garam, many le sserafim stans became ot5 when she was on hiatus and wanted her to leave the group, people spreading pannchoa articles as "proof" of garam being a bully, and as i mentioned in another comment, people spread a narrative that hybe caused the "victim" to commit s word resulting in more hate piling on garam.
And to think she was only 16 when all of this was happening at its peak. Kpop stans claim they care and want to protect minors but their actions say otherwise :/
@@txt.moa_luvsthey're hypocrites. they swore to protect minors but people like garam is excluded? this generation of stans sucks.
Thank you for covering pretty much everything, one day she will be back 🧡
I was interested in Le Sserafim when they debuted because of Chaewon, and I fell in love with Kazuha and Garam immediately. When the Garam situation blew up, I tried to stay neutral, but watching people attack her in the comments based on the smallest pieces of information just sent me and I would comment on articles about how insane the situation is and that we shouldn't be attacking her or kicking her out without the full story, which led to 'fans' attacking me in return. I truely love Le Sserafim, but stanning them after what the fandom did to Garam is physically and mentally painful, and I will never forget this incident for the rest of my life. Being a part of the kpop community was already embarrassing, but it was without a doubt 100% because of the Garam situation that I literally stopped telling people I listened to kpop. I still do of course, but its honestly so disgusting to be associated with the fandoms at this point. If there is karma in this world, I hope its holding its breath over everyone who tore Garam down.
my biggest flex is that i stayed neutral AND told other ppl to stay neutral 🗣
Right cus kpop love calling everyone a bully and especially cus dispatch was anti garam I was like “watch her be a victim”
Kpop stans just want drama
Honestly I wish Lucas was defended by his company the same way HYBE defended Garam. Sadly the haters won and now both were injusticely kicked out of the group :(
I thought Lucas was guilty. Didn't he apologize for a serious crime?
I wonder how all those people thought it made sense that Garam was caught smoking in middle school then just continued on with her life facing no repercussions and then she proceeded to drop a flower pot on someones head and get arrested but then like earlier just continued on with her life as if none of this had happened. It was clear that she wasn't from some big rich influential family like in most other real bullying cases in Korea so how did all of that make sense to someone?
"and I never choke on my peach tea" 😂😂😂
After Garam left, the group's music isn't my cup of tea anymore. I still only listen to the Fearless album to this day. Unforgiven and Antifragile aren't for me
yeah i noticed their quality of music went dowwnnnn i only like a few bsides and antifragile (which i have to be a certain mood for)
Fearnots ot6 : #garamout #lesserafive
Fearnots after her evidence put : bro why are we still talkjng about herrr??
Fearnots nowadays under garam topic videos : "She is out already, get over it?"
The amount of gaslight fearnots make 🤡
Yes I have confident to say "fearnot", at least 80% of fearnots are actually like this and I would see this everyday especially any mention of OT6 videos 💀
When I saw the pics of "Garam" my first thought was "damn did she get work done or smthng?" cuz it was so obvious that it isn't the same person but ofcourse the sheer will and determination to portray the poor girl as a villain overtook most peoples eyes and made them blind. I was in the kpop community when Woojin, Jimin and Soojins scandal happened but was never very involved or interested then I found EGUs videos about it and right after that this thing broke out and it immediately just felt like deja vu. The first green flag I saw that made me consider changing from neutral to supporting Garam was when I found multiple posts saying that when the "victim" had accused Garam many students from their school had started commenting and talking about how it wasn't true but ofcourse fans said Hybe was paying a bunch of 15-16 year olds to lie on the internet.
YES I'M PETTY. I HOPE VERYONE WHO BASH AND HATED GRAM GOES THROUGH WHAT SHE DID OR SOMEONE THEY LOVE DOES!!!!!
Thank you so much for making this video ❤
This and the Soojin issue sours me so badly on the music I love.
I really wish she stayed apart of the group. I think they made a mistake letting her go
What really get me , is that her life is fucked. All her life it will follow her. Because even proven innocent people will doubt. She can’t get a job or go to university without this scandal being bring up. Because if I was her boss or class mate I would question if I want this reputation to be associated to me. I mean Korea is super judgmental and has big bullying society, (like military, company, trainee, university, story come out all the time on naver, it’s not just high school, the way they form society and social statue and older/younger ) so It’s just going to happen people will talk behind her back and justify treating her bad because she was once a bully. Like I really hope she has a good support system.
The, “if-I-call-a-person-a-bully-that-means-I-can-bully-them,” logical fallacy/hypocrisy is fr in general.
Damn, I didnt know Naught's instrumental goes that hard without the vocals, lmao
I remember, I became a full kpop stan around the time of the Garam scandal and I couldn't beleive how a young girl lost her career for NOTHING. It made me mad just thinking how easily someone so young could lose a career that didn't even start yet
I remember defending her case. Asking people to stop being so prejudiced. The way people, especially international fans, treat these cases is embarassing and worrying at the same time. There's no benefit of the doubt, no waiting for evidences to pop up, no providing both parties equal opportunities to defend themselves. Lmao kpop industry was toxic as it was but international exposure made it even worse.
Just imagine if in a lesserafim concert someone will have sign of garam just to show support to her. I think despite what has happened I really think she has a shot of debuting with a company at some point in the future. While I am upset with how the internet reacted towards this I think people need to grow up and stop acting like you can control how a company runs. In the end I do blame HYBE for caving in instead of making a stance and for once a K-pop company will not be influenced by public opinion. It’s important to have the public on your side, but there are times in life where there’s a line to draw on. This was a moment to make that stance. Instead HYBE is incapable of protecting their Artists. Hopefully garam will show HYBE they where sorry for letting her go. And I think she will have the last laugh. Thank you for this insightful video!
I think it’s sad that she had to leave the group. I feel like if Hybe waited to debut the group she would’ve still been promoting with them and people would’ve eventually gotten over it and her name would be clear beforehand. Idk if she left the company too but if she didn’t hopefully Hybe plans on debuting her in another group or even solo, she’s still young and deserves to take a shot at her dreams.
Unfortunately her company contract also got terminated so it’s unlikely she’ll ever return to HYBE :( hopefully another company scouts her and if not then I hope she’ll find an opportunity for acting :)
She needs to sue the music company for pain and suffering. they didnt have her back
Hybe did what they should as a company. At some point it was not viable to keep her on. Not the fault of HYBE they are a company at the end of the day and made the best financial decision for them. The pure brutality of Netz is horrifying. At the end of the day HYBE is a business and they are their to make money not to do what is right.
At first i thought this was another hate video, but I'm glad i didn't jump to conclusions 😅
Queen Garam ❤ 🇧🇷
All I would advise is move on. You know what when I first saw Garam I saw the it factor in her she had visual, beauty ,addictive tone , the persona and till to this day I believe if Garam did not have the bullying scandal wonyoung would have a competition for the"IT Girl" title. She is the girl for whom I can see many brands would die
I agree. She could be the visual of le serrafim and has the aura.
fr move tf on. it’s been a year in a half drop the issue like a dead horse
@@OOOO0OOOO0001___ 21:09 please listen this part carefully
@@vivifree234 no, move on
@@OOOO0OOOO0001___ I will do this when people will stop making the same mistake over and over again and this is not the case.
Same thing with Soojin because these girls did not deserve what they got especially when other idols were ACTUAL BULLIES AND ARE STILL IN THEIR GROUP (*cough cough Hyunjin)
Hyunjin wasn't proven to be a bully, what do you mean?
THANK U
I think the there is another group the ones that switched sides quickly... first they blamed hybe for defending garam then after they blamed hybe for letting her go ..
HYBE was protecting Garam until the Kpop stans accused her of nepotism it was so bad for KG. I feel so bad for her
Also I’m doing a second comment but it’s the recycled hate for me- like y’all watch especially with the rise of ai people finna go crazy cus during the Chan issue stays made deepfakes of Leesoo and if they had ai during garam shit watch them bug tf out.
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I always supported her and people can be so mean when you post in her support. If your going to bully yourself, why are you upset with 'other bullys?'
ngl i came to the garam incident, going with the jimin and mina mind set, i wanted to be neutral but stayed on garam’s side cause all the “evidence” imo didnt seem legit, and ots sad to see people hate on another, like when and how are you thinking this will help anyone by sending deatn threats to someone, i just wanted justice for her.
I feel like hybe debuted her then put her on hiatus was a publicity stunt
She was did dirty