And it really keeps getting better. It’s hard to believe that 20 years ago there were basically no multipart plastic historical sets in the market at all. Now, look at our options!
@@Dan-ds8sf And a big thanks to channels like yours to spread the word, so many sci and fantasy players have no clue about the historical options. Love how wargames Atlantic makes 3d print extra parts, wish more would do something similar to make their ranges more useful in non-historic games.
This is very, very useful, well done! I did a similar thing with 28mm Am. Civil War historicals. These kinds of size comparisons help immensely when piecing together an army. And I agree with you, the size differences here are really not massively different, certainly not enough to prevent mixing them in units and armies in many cases. I found pretty much the same deal for ACW, one range had heads that were noticably larger but were still close enough.
Thanks for the feedback, completely agree that (with some kit-specific exceptions) these manufacturers all blend just fine. I just checked your channel and couldn’t find the ACW video that you mentioned. I’m interested in seeing it; can it be found somewhere else?
Welcome to the hobby, and thanks for the comment! Can’t go wrong with just about any of them. Let me know if you have specific questions on any kits or manufacturers before you buy. What game system are you getting into?
Totally agree, Victrix have been my go-to for the last 5 years or so. They’ve gotten so good that I’ve genuinely created army projects based around their releases.
Excellent comparison, thank you. I find the Perry medieval to be taller and skinnier than Victrix, WGA and Fireforge. Oathmark and Frostgrave are similar to WGA size.
The lad holding the huge axe is my favourite just because can you imagine comming up to that on a bridge hahaha 😅 he be swinging like a mad man ... keep up these amazing videos love the info to as getten into bolt action and more historical stuff sone to 🔥🤘❤️
Reminds me of this story from the Battle of Stamford Bridge: “The English advance was then delayed by the need to pass through the choke-point presented by the bridge itself. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and the Chronicle of Henry of Huntingdon has it that one of the Norwegians (possibly armed with a Dane Axe) blocked the narrow crossing and single-handedly held up the entire English army. The story is that this Viking alone cut down up to 40 Englishmen and was defeated only when an English soldier floated under the bridge and thrust his spear through the planks in the bridge, mortally wounding the warrior.” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
Yeah, it’s become mine too! With that said there will still be crossovers into fantasy (I’m currently working on a 40k video, of all things) but the foundation of the miniatures for the channel, regardless of what system I use them in, will be historical.
I believe it, those Conquistadors seem to have been specifically designed with Estalians in mind. Would love to see some conversions with State Troop HW arms, as the sword options in the conquistador kit are probably the weakest sculpts.
Really informative video as usual. I liked especially that lotr model scale comparison. If only their models would be cheaper. :) Getting few dunlending warriors to bolster dark age themed armies would be great.
As new to the hobby I didn’t know about the unique slightly larger scale of GW minis… The best I’ve found are Forgotten Realms Northman scale well with AoS. Perry’s are tiny in comparison. Oathmark and Frostgrave - you can just about get away with… but are smaller.
Thanks for the comment, and great insights! Yes, Perry are tiny compared to GW, they scale better with the LoTR line that was deliberately sculpted at 25mm to be incompatible with Warhammer. I’ll check our Forgotten Realms Northmen, I’m not familiar with the range. I also think ASOIaF models from Cool Mini or Not would scale well with GW stuff, and Wargames Atlantic’s newer offerings are probably at the extreme end of historical figures that could fit in with Warhammer/Age of Sigmar figures.
@@Dan-ds8sf Sorry it’s Fireforge games Forgotten Worlds… All mini’s in this range scale very well with GW….. Their dwarf range, stone warriors are really good. Prefer them to AoS. Being new to the hobby, one of the things that annoys me about GW, compared with other plastic miniature sets, is by and large they’re really limited in terms of variety, and being able to put your own pose on the miniature. Compared with sets from oath Mark, or frost grave, which you can have a real fun time building those miniature as you could end up some really unique looking miniatures, and poses….. I find some GW sets, subsequently, really boring to build. The only option you might swap out a few different optional heads So Perry then? Didn’t want to scale well with GW??? I thought it was GW that scaled there’s different to everyone else?
@@LaMOi1GW kits used to be properly multipose like Oathmark and Frostgrave, they’ve shifted to single pose plastics almost exclusively in the past 5 years or so because they can make more dynamic poses. I also prefer multipart options like we still see with historical kits, but I’m biased. The Perry’s used to work for GW and sculpted the LoTR range, and as was mentioned in another comment they were contractually forced to sculpt them smaller than the Warhammer range (25mm truescale vs 28mm heroic) so the models couldn’t really be interchangeable. What you’ll find in exploring historical plastics and metals (other than fantasy offerings from Fireforge and Wargames Atlantic, which are intentionally make a little big) is that GW is really the outlier in making their stuff too big, not that other manufacturers are making things too small.
They’re not new, but they’re also not Wargames Factory sculpts. If my memory serves me correctly, Warlord only got their Vikings, Saxons, Feudal Japanese, War of Spanish succession, and American War of Independence ranges from WGA. All of their ancients stuff is either sculpted by Warlord, or acquired from elsewhere (like Immortal miniatures). Having dealt with a bunch of WGA kits back when the company was still selling them, I can tell you they’re some of my least favorite multipart plastic kits that I’ve encountered; shallow details, proportion issues, fiddly weapon/hand connection points, etc.
@@Dan-ds8sfI agree re: the fiddle nature of tho Wargames Factory figures. Some of the very earliest Victoria figures were equally bad, but Victoria got much, much better. WF was one of the earliest makers of historical plastics, I wonder if they would have improved, if they had survived as a company?
I have the metal bow and cavalry for the Warlord Early Imperial Romans but their plastics EIRs are absolutely rubbish either smaller (legionaries) or bigger (auxilia), the metals they do have are extremely priced as far as I'm concerned, would anyone recommend a company that does EIRs thst would fit the Warlord metals? Smallish 28mm
Victrix’s EIR plastics are excellent. The only EIR metal I have from Warlord is their Maximus-style “Unleash Hell” model, which looks incredibly small next to them. Not sure if their other metals are this scale (roughly on par with their tiny EIR plastics).
The GW LOTR range was deliberately sculpted to be not be compatible with Warhammer Fantasy, reputedly in the licensing contract. Their inconsistency within LOTR and within Warhammer ranges is just sloppiness, along with GW’s own desires to separate their figures from other manufacturers.
This makes perfect sense, thanks for the added context. I actually prefer the LoTR scale, I kind of wish that had been the standard across all manufacturers instead of the ~1:48 / ~28mm that we have today.
Man Fireforge really looks like the worst of the lot. Not only a bit diminutive in scale but the detail is wanting. Wargames Atlantic's models are particularly stark compared next to 'em.
The kit I chose isn’t their strongest, but generally I’d agree with this sentiment. Fireforge’s newer stuff is more detailed, but as I mention in the video the scale creep is getting pretty severe.
Hreat video. Very useful.
So many nice historicals out there, we do live in a wargame golden age
And it really keeps getting better. It’s hard to believe that 20 years ago there were basically no multipart plastic historical sets in the market at all. Now, look at our options!
@@Dan-ds8sf And a big thanks to channels like yours to spread the word, so many sci and fantasy players have no clue about the historical options.
Love how wargames Atlantic makes 3d print extra parts, wish more would do something similar to make their ranges more useful in non-historic games.
This is very, very useful, well done! I did a similar thing with 28mm Am. Civil War historicals. These kinds of size comparisons help immensely when piecing together an army.
And I agree with you, the size differences here are really not massively different, certainly not enough to prevent mixing them in units and armies in many cases.
I found pretty much the same deal for ACW, one range had heads that were noticably larger but were still close enough.
Thanks for the feedback, completely agree that (with some kit-specific exceptions) these manufacturers all blend just fine.
I just checked your channel and couldn’t find the ACW video that you mentioned. I’m interested in seeing it; can it be found somewhere else?
Really helpful, as I am just starting out myself.
Welcome to the hobby, and thanks for the comment! Can’t go wrong with just about any of them. Let me know if you have specific questions on any kits or manufacturers before you buy.
What game system are you getting into?
An excellent scale comparison all are great figures and well painted
Victrix, Perry & Gripping Beast are my go to companies. Victrix & Perry for quality. GB for their wide selection.
Totally agree, Victrix have been my go-to for the last 5 years or so. They’ve gotten so good that I’ve genuinely created army projects based around their releases.
Excellent comparison, thank you. I find the Perry medieval to be taller and skinnier than Victrix, WGA and Fireforge. Oathmark and Frostgrave are similar to WGA size.
This is a really useful video. Thank you
Very helpful video, thanks for taking the effort!
The lad holding the huge axe is my favourite just because can you imagine comming up to that on a bridge hahaha 😅 he be swinging like a mad man ... keep up these amazing videos love the info to as getten into bolt action and more historical stuff sone to 🔥🤘❤️
Reminds me of this story from the Battle of Stamford Bridge: “The English advance was then delayed by the need to pass through the choke-point presented by the bridge itself. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and the Chronicle of Henry of Huntingdon has it that one of the Norwegians (possibly armed with a Dane Axe) blocked the narrow crossing and single-handedly held up the entire English army. The story is that this Viking alone cut down up to 40 Englishmen and was defeated only when an English soldier floated under the bridge and thrust his spear through the planks in the bridge, mortally wounding the warrior.”
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
Thanks for sharing Dan. Love your channel, and now that seems that you shifted more to historical, well, that's my weak spot.
Yeah, it’s become mine too! With that said there will still be crossovers into fantasy (I’m currently working on a 40k video, of all things) but the foundation of the miniatures for the channel, regardless of what system I use them in, will be historical.
This is great! I found this very useful!
One thing I would like to say is the gripping beast metals tend to go all over the place, especially named characters or generals
Yeah good point, I meant to make a an explicit disclaimer that this video is only discussing scales of multipart plastic sets from these companies.
Warganes Atlantic Conquistadors blend well with state troops.
State troops arms on the WA bodies looks great especially hand weapons
I believe it, those Conquistadors seem to have been specifically designed with Estalians in mind. Would love to see some conversions with State Troop HW arms, as the sword options in the conquistador kit are probably the weakest sculpts.
GW minis are 28-30mm heroic scale so are never going to scale well with true scale minis
100% agree, and the new AOS stuff I think is even pushing beyond 32mm.
Really informative video as usual. I liked especially that lotr model scale comparison. If only their models would be cheaper. :)
Getting few dunlending warriors to bolster dark age themed armies would be great.
Yeah I’ve been keeping my eyes open for Rohan warriors to fold into my Dark Age stuff, but I’m not interested in paying $5+ a model for them.
As new to the hobby I didn’t know about the unique slightly larger scale of GW minis…
The best I’ve found are Forgotten Realms Northman scale well with AoS.
Perry’s are tiny in comparison.
Oathmark and Frostgrave - you can just about get away with… but are smaller.
Thanks for the comment, and great insights! Yes, Perry are tiny compared to GW, they scale better with the LoTR line that was deliberately sculpted at 25mm to be incompatible with Warhammer.
I’ll check our Forgotten Realms Northmen, I’m not familiar with the range. I also think ASOIaF models from Cool Mini or Not would scale well with GW stuff, and Wargames Atlantic’s newer offerings are probably at the extreme end of historical figures that could fit in with Warhammer/Age of Sigmar figures.
@@Dan-ds8sf
Sorry it’s Fireforge games Forgotten Worlds…
All mini’s in this range scale very well with GW…..
Their dwarf range, stone warriors are really good. Prefer them to AoS.
Being new to the hobby, one of the things that annoys me about GW, compared with other plastic miniature sets, is by and large they’re really limited in terms of variety, and being able to put your own pose on the miniature.
Compared with sets from oath Mark, or frost grave, which you can have a real fun time building those miniature as you could end up some really unique looking miniatures, and poses…..
I find some GW sets, subsequently, really boring to build. The only option you might swap out a few different optional heads
So Perry then? Didn’t want to scale well with GW???
I thought it was GW that scaled there’s different to everyone else?
@@LaMOi1GW kits used to be properly multipose like Oathmark and Frostgrave, they’ve shifted to single pose plastics almost exclusively in the past 5 years or so because they can make more dynamic poses. I also prefer multipart options like we still see with historical kits, but I’m biased.
The Perry’s used to work for GW and sculpted the LoTR range, and as was mentioned in another comment they were contractually forced to sculpt them smaller than the Warhammer range (25mm truescale vs 28mm heroic) so the models couldn’t really be interchangeable. What you’ll find in exploring historical plastics and metals (other than fantasy offerings from Fireforge and Wargames Atlantic, which are intentionally make a little big) is that GW is really the outlier in making their stuff too big, not that other manufacturers are making things too small.
Are your Warlord models the older repurposed Wargames Factory, or new Warlord sculpts?
They’re not new, but they’re also not Wargames Factory sculpts. If my memory serves me correctly, Warlord only got their Vikings, Saxons, Feudal Japanese, War of Spanish succession, and American War of Independence ranges from WGA. All of their ancients stuff is either sculpted by Warlord, or acquired from elsewhere (like Immortal miniatures).
Having dealt with a bunch of WGA kits back when the company was still selling them, I can tell you they’re some of my least favorite multipart plastic kits that I’ve encountered; shallow details, proportion issues, fiddly weapon/hand connection points, etc.
@@Dan-ds8sf Those Factory models also need either the neck socket drilled deeper or part of the ball neck shaved off otherwise the heads sit too high.
@@damionkeeling3103Totally agree, the word I’d use to describe many of their sculpts is “uncanny”.
@@Dan-ds8sfI agree re: the fiddle nature of tho Wargames Factory figures. Some of the very earliest Victoria figures were equally bad, but Victoria got much, much better. WF was one of the earliest makers of historical plastics, I wonder if they would have improved, if they had survived as a company?
I have the metal bow and cavalry for the Warlord Early Imperial Romans but their plastics EIRs are absolutely rubbish either smaller (legionaries) or bigger (auxilia), the metals they do have are extremely priced as far as I'm concerned, would anyone recommend a company that does EIRs thst would fit the Warlord metals? Smallish 28mm
Victrix’s EIR plastics are excellent. The only EIR metal I have from Warlord is their Maximus-style “Unleash Hell” model, which looks incredibly small next to them. Not sure if their other metals are this scale (roughly on par with their tiny EIR plastics).
The GW LOTR range was deliberately sculpted to be not be compatible with Warhammer Fantasy, reputedly in the licensing contract. Their inconsistency within LOTR and within Warhammer ranges is just sloppiness, along with GW’s own desires to separate their figures from other manufacturers.
This makes perfect sense, thanks for the added context. I actually prefer the LoTR scale, I kind of wish that had been the standard across all manufacturers instead of the ~1:48 / ~28mm that we have today.
Man Fireforge really looks like the worst of the lot. Not only a bit diminutive in scale but the detail is wanting. Wargames Atlantic's models are particularly stark compared next to 'em.
The kit I chose isn’t their strongest, but generally I’d agree with this sentiment. Fireforge’s newer stuff is more detailed, but as I mention in the video the scale creep is getting pretty severe.