I believe this to be the definition of Personal Evangelism: Present the Good News Message of God’s unfailing, unmerited, self-sacrificing, sin-healing love to everyone everywhere by sharing my God-experience. Then, encourage, convince, persuade each one to choose, because of (or motivated by) this Message, to trust God in a life-changing, personal relationship with Him.
I love your podcast, but it seems like you guys are causing a separation in the Adventist church! You guys are attacking fundamental beliefs of our faith! Ellen White predicted there will be pastors pulling people away from the truth. Also a lot of pastors and leaders will leave the church believe in deceptions! YOU GUYS HAD MILES ON A GUY THAT IS LIVING IN DECEPTION AND YOU DIDN'T DEFEND THE FAITH! YOU LITERALLY AGREED WITH HIM ! ALSO THAT DESMOND FORD FOLLOWER ON HERE TIM! THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT IS IN THE BIBLE! I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ARE YOU STILL AN SDA WHEN YOU LITERALLY WANT TO TRASH OUR BELIEFS!
5:44 fun fact, in the compilation health book one of the EG White quotes she states she enjoys coffee in the morning with fresh cows milk. The quote I believe was from about 15 years before she died.
I think we have an "institutionalized" definition of the Gospel (good news) and it's not good news; because it is a sin-focused message and not a God-focused message. I like this definition: "The Good News is that God literally came down to be with and be one of us-His beloved creation. He became a human as the most effective way to show us that He loves us with an unfailing, self-sacrificing, life-changing, sin-healing love.
Hmm, perhaps not a sin-focused message but perhaps a wrong diagnosis of what the problem that sin actually is. I really appreciated Tim Jennings' insights about the way in which we've misdiagnosed the sin problem as very behavioral when it is heart-conditional. When we focus on acts that lead to death, we're still infant in Christ.
@@caleschnell "sin-focused" is when the Good News is mostly about how bad the human condition is (terminal disease), detailing what human sinfulness looks like, specifics about what is sin and what isn't sin. The Good News is really about how Good God is, how powerful God's selfless love medicine is to heal our sin-sick condition and it is dispensed by simply a trust relationship with the Dr. Like a Dr. can tell you how bad, painful your cancer is, how the tumors grow and take over and starve your body, why you have cancer, details about how your lifestyle caused your cancer; or give you the positive good news that there is new foolproof cure for the kind of cancer you have. Most Drs. know you don't take the patient down into just how bad it will be in the future as the cancer develops...the BAD news.
"They want my presence but not my perspective" uuuuh so good (and sad). I always had that same question on the great commission, we have to go and preach etc... buuuuuut not baptize... because the church said so? Mmm...
I don’t know..ummm.. the great commission I think was for everyone. But I think we the people have passed this down to a select few.. pastors/leadership. And I think that’s the problem. We are all busy doing LIFE. Isn’t that the diagnosis of this generation dare I say Laodicean. Just my thought.
Aptly put. There's a stir going on at my church as it pertains to a fundamental misunderstanding of God's law and how this misunderstanding misdiagnoses the sin problem. Right now in my church, two thirds are truly desiring a true righteous by faith, non-penal-legal understanding of God's law, and desiring to uphold the law of God, the design parameters of life, in their whole being. On the other hand, the leadership, two elders and a few others are still holding to declarative only righteousness by faith and penal substitution theology as a means of understanding Christ's sacrifice of atonement. I believe there is a shaking undergoing many churches right now, not only in the Adventist institutional, denominational churches, but of Christian churches in general of desiring going back to grass-roots, word-of-mouth, apostolic-style discipleship and teaching. The leadership who upholds such a view of God, His Law, and a false remedy of the sin problem have failed their laity in beholding to such a false diagnosis of the sin problem. However, the laity as well are at fault for not asking for spiritual eyesalve and insight from the Holy Spirit to rightly divide the word of truth. I believe we are going to see a mass exodus of Christians from institutional churches that continue to misdiagnose the sin problem and yet continue to fail to get to the heart of the issue-how do you understand God's law?
I would like to say I love this podcast but again you guys are causing a separation! For you guys to question the investigative judgement is nuts! Judgement starts at the house of God ! Also why were the feast days important because they pointed to Christ work! Aka his priesthood! What sanctuary was cleansed? Theres sanctuary not built with hands in heaven! Jesus said my reward is with me to give every man acording to everyone works! at his coming! A judgement must take place before he comes! Its a judgement showing the universe the work of god saving his people and redeeming hid people! 17¶For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
The fact that you give no room for examination of these things but instead you reflexively react with criticism should give you poise for self-examination on your part. You also must keep in mind that our understanding of truth should always be advancing. How much of our positions have changed in comparison with the advancements seen in technology and medicine? How much of Protestantism still holds to theological presuppositions that are archaically five hundred years-old, namely, penal substitution theology? The idea that sin requires a payment of blood to God in order to pardon sinners of their sin? Or the basis of that lie being a clear misdiagnosis of what the problem of sin actually is? That our problem is behavioral, legal, and thus requires a legal blood payment be made for us to be judicially pardoned of having sinned against God?
“They value my presence but not my perspective.” That is a bar.
So good to hear voices like this within Adventism. Thanks guys! Greetings from 🇪🇸
I believe this to be the definition of Personal Evangelism:
Present the Good News Message of God’s unfailing, unmerited, self-sacrificing, sin-healing love to everyone everywhere by sharing my God-experience.
Then, encourage, convince, persuade each one to choose, because of (or motivated by) this Message, to trust God in a life-changing, personal relationship with Him.
The roast segway was WILD
I love your podcast, but it seems like you guys are causing a separation in the Adventist church! You guys are attacking fundamental beliefs of our faith! Ellen White predicted there will be pastors pulling people away from the truth. Also a lot of pastors and leaders will leave the church believe in deceptions! YOU GUYS HAD MILES ON A GUY THAT IS LIVING IN DECEPTION AND YOU DIDN'T DEFEND THE FAITH! YOU LITERALLY AGREED WITH HIM ! ALSO THAT DESMOND FORD FOLLOWER ON HERE TIM! THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT IS IN THE BIBLE! I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ARE YOU STILL AN SDA WHEN YOU LITERALLY WANT TO TRASH OUR BELIEFS!
5:44 fun fact, in the compilation health book one of the EG White quotes she states she enjoys coffee in the morning with fresh cows milk. The quote I believe was from about 15 years before she died.
Coffee is not good for you !
I think we have an "institutionalized" definition of the Gospel (good news) and it's not good news; because it is a sin-focused message and not a God-focused message.
I like this definition: "The Good News is that God literally came down to be with and be one of us-His beloved creation. He became a human as the most effective way to show us that He loves us with an unfailing, self-sacrificing, life-changing, sin-healing love.
Hmm, perhaps not a sin-focused message but perhaps a wrong diagnosis of what the problem that sin actually is. I really appreciated Tim Jennings' insights about the way in which we've misdiagnosed the sin problem as very behavioral when it is heart-conditional. When we focus on acts that lead to death, we're still infant in Christ.
@@caleschnell "sin-focused" is when the Good News is mostly about how bad the human condition is (terminal disease), detailing what human sinfulness looks like, specifics about what is sin and what isn't sin. The Good News is really about how Good God is, how powerful God's selfless love medicine is to heal our sin-sick condition and it is dispensed by simply a trust relationship with the Dr. Like a Dr. can tell you how bad, painful your cancer is, how the tumors grow and take over and starve your body, why you have cancer, details about how your lifestyle caused your cancer; or give you the positive good news that there is new foolproof cure for the kind of cancer you have. Most Drs. know you don't take the patient down into just how bad it will be in the future as the cancer develops...the BAD news.
"They want my presence but not my perspective" uuuuh so good (and sad).
I always had that same question on the great commission, we have to go and preach etc... buuuuuut not baptize... because the church said so? Mmm...
I don’t know..ummm.. the great commission I think was for everyone. But I think we the people have passed this down to a select few.. pastors/leadership. And I think that’s the problem. We are all busy doing LIFE. Isn’t that the diagnosis of this generation dare I say Laodicean. Just my thought.
Aptly put. There's a stir going on at my church as it pertains to a fundamental misunderstanding of God's law and how this misunderstanding misdiagnoses the sin problem.
Right now in my church, two thirds are truly desiring a true righteous by faith, non-penal-legal understanding of God's law, and desiring to uphold the law of God, the design parameters of life, in their whole being.
On the other hand, the leadership, two elders and a few others are still holding to declarative only righteousness by faith and penal substitution theology as a means of understanding Christ's sacrifice of atonement.
I believe there is a shaking undergoing many churches right now, not only in the Adventist institutional, denominational churches, but of Christian churches in general of desiring going back to grass-roots, word-of-mouth, apostolic-style discipleship and teaching.
The leadership who upholds such a view of God, His Law, and a false remedy of the sin problem have failed their laity in beholding to such a false diagnosis of the sin problem. However, the laity as well are at fault for not asking for spiritual eyesalve and insight from the Holy Spirit to rightly divide the word of truth.
I believe we are going to see a mass exodus of Christians from institutional churches that continue to misdiagnose the sin problem and yet continue to fail to get to the heart of the issue-how do you understand God's law?
The great commission was given to all Christians, it has been preached for the last 2,000 years.
I would like to say I love this podcast but again you guys are causing a separation! For you guys to question the investigative judgement is nuts! Judgement starts at the house of God ! Also why were the feast days important because they pointed to Christ work! Aka his priesthood! What sanctuary was cleansed? Theres sanctuary not built with hands in heaven! Jesus said my reward is with me to give every man acording to everyone works! at his coming! A judgement must take place before he comes! Its a judgement showing the universe the work of god saving his people and redeeming hid people!
17¶For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
The fact that you give no room for examination of these things but instead you reflexively react with criticism should give you poise for self-examination on your part.
You also must keep in mind that our understanding of truth should always be advancing. How much of our positions have changed in comparison with the advancements seen in technology and medicine?
How much of Protestantism still holds to theological presuppositions that are archaically five hundred years-old, namely, penal substitution theology?
The idea that sin requires a payment of blood to God in order to pardon sinners of their sin? Or the basis of that lie being a clear misdiagnosis of what the problem of sin actually is?
That our problem is behavioral, legal, and thus requires a legal blood payment be made for us to be judicially pardoned of having sinned against God?