What Actually Happened To Kurt Cobain...
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- 🎵Kurt Cobain, famous rock and roller from NIRVANA, was found on April 8th, 1994 of what was immediately deemed a self-inflicted gunshot wound. But What Actually Happened to Kurt Cobain?! Immediately after his discovery, a young medical examiner signed a certificate of death before the toxicology report was released. Upon the release of the toxicology report - questions started to swarm the nation and Nirvana fans everywhere. For one thing, how did Kurt have the strength to pull the trigger given his current chemical state? From that initial question, more and more contradictions surrounding the details of that week started coming to the surface. Why, for example, did Courtney Love hire a private investigator BEFORE calling the Police and pretending to be Kurt's concerned mother ? Why did her friend lie about Courtney's whereabouts the last day Kurt was seen alive? Why did her other friend mysteriously die just 2 months after Kurt - and who was El Duce? The man who claimed he knew who did it. Join us in this episode of Roots Music History as we dig up the roots of Kurt Cobain's Mysterious Death.🎵
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Chapters:
0:00-0:51 Introduction
0:51-2:22 Quick Summary
2:22-4:00 Kurt Cobain Early Life
4:00-4:53 Forming NIRVANA
4:53-6:01 Kurt Cobain Meets Courtney Love ('89)
6:01-7:20 Courtney A Manipulative Groupie?
7:20-9:07 Kurt & Courtney Fall in Love
9:07-14:13 Domestic Abuse Arrest (June '93)
14:13-15:28 Fake Su*c*de Threat? (Feb '94)
15:28-16:23 March '93 Escalations
16:23-20:03 March 30th - April 2nd, 1994
20:03-25:04 Courtney Hires a Private Investigator
25:04-28:22 April 4th: Missing Persons Report
28:22-32:04 April 4th - April 7th
32:04-35:06 Kurt Cobain is Found
35:06-40:20 Original Police Reports
40:20-46:37 Kurt's "Letter"
46:37-48:39 Technical Contradictions
48:39-49:45 Kristen Pfaff's Mysterious Death
49:45-52:59 Enter: Eldon Hoke (El Duce)
52:59-55:00 Eldon Shows Up Dead & Nirvana Fans Erupt
55:00-58:47 Analysis & Conclusion
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I'm no expert, but I am 52 years old and spent the mid 90's in the Seattle area as a heroin addicted musician. I was very much into Kurt's music and have friends that were very close to the Nirvana scene. There are so many things that don't seem right about the scene, the letter, and the circumstances. We will probably never know 100% for sure what happened, however, I am 100% sure Kurt did NOT commit suic_de.
The 5 ml syringe rings alarm bells
@Crosshatch1212 it's my understanding Kurt was afraid of needles and he would use diabetic needles.
Mark I would like your opinion on his syringes. This is what stands out the most to me. To me those syringes look clean and unused. The caps are still on. With that amount of heroin Kurt used, how is it possible or why would he even want to place the caps back on the syringes? Sid Vicious was a heavy user and was found with the needle still stuck in his arm.
@@dianam9028 you wouldn’t and the other problem is black tar boil off .the amount he wld boil ,cook up would be to thick .for 5 ml ,this I know due to freinds who done it .
@@dianam9028 ever heard of this thing called "tolerance" there Einstein? addicts who OD are rarely found with the needle still stuck in their arm.
I think that anybody who grew up and was old enough to be a Nirvana fan at the time and remember it today would know that the vast majority of Nirvana fans quite rightly couldn't stand Courtney Love and not only the fans but a lot of her contemporaries a lot of musicians couldn't stand Courtney Love she was manipulative and spiteful
Dude I hated Nirvana when they busted on the scene with other "grunge" bands. I am not happy about his murder though. Cuntley Glove had him under her thumb and Cobain followed like a lost puppy. She is the epitome of a gold digger. When I hear them on the radio now I will listen to the song. Shit, what else is there to hear? Poptry (country that aint country at all) or hip-hop? The music industry has finally gone down with a fucking whimper. Yeah I know I sound like the old man that yelled at you and me...."Hey you kids, get off my lawn, or I am gonna shoot you"!!
She had already tried to kill him in Rome a month before
If Courtney had nothing to do with his death, then she would be questioning it and demanding justice too.
A few corrections here:
- Michael Dewitt did not collect Kurt from the airport. This is important, because while Kurt was supposedly missing, Dewitt had seen Kurt in the house on the morning of April 2nd, and phone records show he had been in frequent contact with Courtney throughout that day. However, Courtney did not tell Grant this, which is a huge red flag.
- 29:24 The ability to see Kurt's body from the main house is impossible. Levandowski is describing the view from the decking that accessed the greenhouse/2nd floor. This decking was at the back of the greenhouse, out of view from the main house.
- 30:58 This is incorrect. Tom Grant arrived in Seattle late on April 6th. He met with Dylan Carlson and went to search for Kurt early morning circa 2:15am on April 7th.
38:17 Tom Grant was directed by Courtney Love to strictly not monitor the house. She went ballistic when she discovered one of the local PI's Grant had subcontracted decided to set up a stakeout at the house. Tom and Dylan spent the day of April 7th investigating Kurt's dealer Caitlin Moore, searching local motels, and then made a trip out to Carnation where the Cobain's had a summer cabin. Courtney then instructed them to return to the house that night to search for the gun in a hidden compartment in their wardrobe. She was trying to get Grant to discover the body.
Thnks ,she’s missed out a lot like duck shot .look at the length of it .Its comical nothing gets done about this love it iggy come out and said what he did .he just became to valuable to be allowed to walk away .
@@BradyA1124there is no evidence that Courtney tried to revive him. At this point anything that Courtney says is true the opposite probably happened.
@@BradyA1124 Who's saying Dylan didn't buy the gun? Kurt's guns were confiscated on March 18th, 1994, hence the reason why he purchased a new one. He told Carlson it was for protection, and that is precisely what you would buy for that purpose.. Kurt then left for rehab after he purchased the gun. Courtney revived Kurt in Rome? That's a very mysterious situation, and her account varies. SNL and Roseland were before their relationship started going south.
Dewitt was trying to avoid Love like the plague as Love was trying to cut him off from heroin to stop him enabling Cobain. Love wanted to fire him but Cobain wouldn't have it as Dewitt would often buy drugs for him. Dewitt kept ignoring Love and only told Cobain to get in contact with her as she wanted her to stop harassing him about it. Love referred to Dewitt dismissively as "the help" and told him he was not to leave his bedroom when he was in the house.
Lanegan was with Grant and Carlson when they checked the house.
Grant was not told to not monitor the house, Grant lied and made this up when this whole thing revealed that he was bumbling boob without the first idea what he was doing - he was a used car salesman playing fake "detective". He got another detective involved and the other detective wanted to watch the house but Grant, being an idiot, wanted to go on wild goose chases and the other detective quit in disgust. When Grant finally got his arse in gear and looked at Cobain's house, he was too late and couldn't locate a dead man inside of it. He phoned police in tears thinking he'd been seen as a complete idiot in front of the world then greed kicked in and he started scamming. The police were also called to the house (twice) by Courtney and spoke to the workmen outside, they would have probably intercepted him had they gone inside but they'd already been out on a domestic once before so thought talking to the workmen was enough - they said they hadn't seen Cobain. Courtney actually called the police to the house herself.
Another small correction is that Kurt begged Krist to join his band (or lack thereof then 😅). And before Nirvana there was several different band names such as Bliss, Ted Ed Fred, Pen Cap Chew, etc.
I'm not saying you weren't already aware of this as you are obviously a bright young lady (and beautiful 😍) and very informed of Kurt/Nirvana and I agree with everything you said. I really enjoy watching your content. You have a new fan and subscriber! You do such a great job. I'd love to discuss Kurts death with you. You've brought a fresh and bitter perspective to it all which is mighty impressive I must say! Good job 😁
He committed suicide the day he said "" I do "" to Courtney love !
Gold digger and junkey.
that's a real nice thing to say
He was trapped by demonic cl she killed herself a rockstar. Thats what she used to say growing up says he Dad - he knows
i agree danielhall✨️
I don’t know if many here noticed but Kurt Cobain played guitar left handed as a completely right handed person.
Watch him sign autographs he’s right handed.
😮that’s weird
@@zabe428 No, it is actually not uncommon, or at least it is the way we were taught to throw a baseball or pick up a hockey stick. Then you have ambidextrous people like my wife. She eats lefty, and writes lefty , but she throws a ball righty , shoots right handed (pistol or rifle). It was odd to me at first until I began to notice how many people do likewise.
@@gib59er56 only 10% of people are completely left sided. They tend to have more injuries as it's a right-handed world. I'm like your wife.....it's good and bad. Like I've never been good at either hand "whipping" eggs. It came in handy when I used to work in a wood working shop as I can get that final shot with the nail gun with my left hand as equally as with my right. I can turn to my left side and lead with my left hand when using the table saw when needed or whatever tool in a tight spot. As I've gotten older I've started to become more left sided.....like if I go and kick the soccer ball around. I can really wail it good with my left foot harder and with more accuracy even though it feels awkward. Makes me wonder if I learned to hit a golf ball left handed.....maybe I wouldn't slice it to the right as much.
There are photos of Kurt at age 2 or 3 pretend playing guitar with a tennis racket, holding it left handed. Even at that young age he already had a preferred side for the instrument.
lol, it’s funny hearing Kurt say, “we weren’t fighting.” Yet, he contradicts himself by saying “I RIPPED IT OFF OF HER.” Man, I wish he would have just left Courtney and focused on himself, music, and his daughter.
I think that's what he may have been trying to do.
@@johnharvey4448 Unlike Courtney's father... he didn't think she was capable of cold-blooded murder.
Love of his life?? LOL He was seeing at least 2 other girls besides her, so she baby trapped him.
Treatment centers don’t call police and report when a voluntary patient leaves the program ffs
yeah...they are there voluntarily, not under arrest
This is the point I was trying to make, too - The missing persons report is bogus to say he "fled" and is "missing"
nope , but if your parole officer puts you there they will , lesson learned !
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY He DID flee. He literally jumped a fence. It’s a well documented fact that he escaped from the hospital. He didn’t know he was allowed to leave voluntarily at any time. 🙄
@@danielhall-wl4ql obviously. If you’re court ordered to treatment, you have to stay in treatment. This was jot the case for Kurt.
Kurt asked Crist to join his band not the other way around.. and Christ resisted for ages. It's all documented in interviews with Kurt and Crist.
Cali DeWitt didn’t have pick Kurt up and bring him to the house on April 2nd. Part of the story that’s important is Jessica Hopper and Cali not supposedly knowing Kurt was even in the house. Cali even wrote a note and left it on the stairs for Kurt to read. Said something like “I can’t believe you were here and I didn’t know it. Call Courtney, blah blah”
He was divorcing her. That’s one of the reasons he had him murdered
I think that was the motive - money
And Courtney’s album was just about to come out. It was gonna flop. It would have looked really bad for Courtney to try and support an album when she would of been divorced
@@stephenkane2464 it wouldn't have flopped it was a great record. Why would anybody care about her maritial status when buying an album? youre clueless.
they weren't even separated let alone divorcing and she would have taken him to the cleaners in the event of a divorce.
@@scooterruns9355 nope. He was going to leave her out of the will and get a divorce. Fuck off courtney bot
I think you have great story telling ability and delivery. Your research however could be better. There are a lot of facts you got wrong and a spread of a lot of misinformation. This is constructive criticism no hate!
I was working on my yard while listening so I may have missed something but I didn’t hear any misinformation. Did she question things? Yes. Nothing wrong with questioning the narrative. Fact is there are a lot of questions left unanswered and several red flags concerning Kurt’s death.
It’s not the questioning it’s LITERALLY the facts are off! So I think that’s what’s being said here. Sooo. And yes she ABSOLUTELY mixed some of the FACTS. It’s definitely not a malicious intention she’s VERY VERY good! I’m also not trying to be hurtful constructive for sure
Are you sure Kurt isn't in Michigan having lunch with Elvis and Jim Morrison at Burger King?
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So you think they’re all still alive incognito
You are stretching it with accusing Tom Grant.
I actually agree that Tom Grant would be a suspect...if we go with the murder hypothesis. It's also likely that the seattle police were involved as well as other players such as the manager, lawyer, and the record label. People say Courtney made all the money but what about David Geffen? It's like the classic Lenin quote, to paraphrase: the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. Tom Grant would then be a plant, a limited hangout disinformation agent controlling the narrative so that the greater conspiracy. Thus Courtney plays the "fall woman". If Kurt Cobain was murdered I doubt Courtney and a random guy with a gun could have gotten away with it.
In Foo Fighters Back in Forth Documentary, Pat Smear (who was Nirvana's second guitarist who had been in the band for 7 months) had said that the last time he heard from Kurt Cobain was through a message Kurt had sent him on his phone but Pat wasn't home when that happened. It is unknown when that actually happened, but when Pat said it in the interview he looked quite uncomfortable talking abt it
I’ve always had my eye on Pat. He’s another one of cl’s minions. She only hired him because Kurt would forget songs and Pat was there as like a back-up. It’s also interesting to note that a band member has died in every band Pat’s been in. He’s like a dark cloud.
@@nirvana_veggiegirl It's not interesting just that those musicians died, but how young some of them died, especially Darby and Kurt.
@@bigballz4u Yes Darby was only 22 & Kurt 27. Both of them “committed suicide” by od’ing on heroin. Coincidence?
@@nirvana_veggiegirl Well they both were on H when they died, but Kurt was on 3 times the lethal dose apparently, which makes how he was supposed to have done it impossible.
@@nirvana_veggiegirlTons of musicians going back to the 1920s Big Band Era have overdosed on heroin....seemingly the drug of choice amongst artists...
I knew Cali. Shady dude.
Just how shady
youre a really bad liar
Do you Rene Navarrette? Or Bonnie Dillard??
No who's that@@dmvconartists1855
Com on. Tom Grant is innocent. Why do you not mention Tom grant's very recent interviews available on youtube with Captain Lowe, a retired Seattle police Captain which was on service when Kurt was killed. Captain Lowe also agrees with Tom that Kurt was murdered and that case should be reopened. This is very important as having a Police Captain of internal affairs (very high ranking in police Force) gives enourmous credibility
@@Crash184 omg really? This is so speculative and polemic. Who are you now to say like this? Do you have some other source of info that nobody has to discredit Captain Lowe? How reliable can your statements be?
@@Crash184 Thought so. Sorry man but your words are empty, polemic and highly speculative.
Grant is a conman.
Ah, "Captain" Lowe, the hack who's tried to use Cobain's suicide to hawk his shitty detective novels that you have to pay through the nose for for his "opinions".
It's amazing how all these hacks want is money off of you, isn't it?
@@DanathemaIncluding the airhead who made this video. Or didn't you listen to her closing pleas for money?
Today I learned the definition of 'polemic'. I've never even seen the word before.
Honestly, it's the only benefit that I got out of watching this video. I didn't find it very well researched or presented.
Just a note, Tom Grant states in Soaked in Bleach that he did report to the crime scene immediately upon hearing of Kurt’s death and asked to make a statement. They turned him away. Also, why would Tom be able to see Kurt’s body at 2:00 a.m. ? He was inside a lot room, it was dark outside, and the light wasn’t on in the greenhouse. There’s no plausible way for him to have seen him. Tom Grant says he didn’t even find out the greenhouse existed until after Kurt’s death.
Electrician Gary Smith discovered Cobain's Body in the Greenhouse on Friday Morning April 8,1994 at 8:05 AM PDT.
Grant wasn't even anywhere NEAR King County,WA that day. He NEVER arrived in Medrona. He got the News from talking to Seattle PD and the King County Coroner.
I got a good one here for you: use an AI a tool like chaptgpt and have the AI analyze the handwriting, I've not done it but I'm sure it will determine if one person or not wrote it or not.
Wrong she’s definitely not a talented guitarist at ll in fact she can’t play at All
Cali never picked kurt up??? Cali didn't see kurt until he returned to the house. Infact cali knew perfectly well he'd seen kurt then tried to deny all knowledge and then bizarrely admitted years later that hed seen kurt all along. He definitely knew kurt had died there whether or not hes responsible or indirectly responsible he definitely knows something happened to kurt and tried to cover it up with that phoney letter that tom grant found when he was looking for kurt with dylan Carlson. Have you actually done any research and if you have where are you getting it from? And as far as kurt being visible from the second floor of the house into the greenhouse so what? Tom and Dylan went in the dead of night where the green house would not have been visible at all and the reason they didn't have key and had to climb through the window is because cali "the nanny" who was the only person besides courtney who was in los Angeles at time who actually had a key. Hence why they entered the window. It's not rocket science.
please. Cali DeWitt saved Kurt's life in the summer of 1993. you making false murder accusations against him is just gross. Kurt took his own life. get over it.
Actually, Tom called Charles Peltier (sp), the Cobain's tech guy, at around 2AM in order to turn off the home security system so they could enter without setting off the alarm.
I'm one of those fans that cried foul. Tom Grant is an ex cop that became a private investigator. I believe that Courtney was trying to create an alibi through hiring him, but made a mistake by getting someone that didn't buy her double talk. The Kurt and Courtney documentary has several important interviews at that time - more than just Eldon Hoke. (The scared nanny describing the arguments at the house about money and divorce, the squirrely best friend that doesn't seem quite forthright, Courtney's ex that wanted to left the music industy because of controlling Courtney - perhaps the same as Kurt) Soaked in Bleach has a lot of Tom Grant's recordings of Courtney's weird, feeble ...explanations.
Important notes on Kurt after death - repotedly, Kurt's arms weren't long enough to reach the trigger and both his shoes were on. (Couldn't have used his toe) Kurt's heroine kit was put away as well as wiped down. Like the pen in the note, it seems out of place. Also the shotgun shell was ejected on the wrong side.
Dr. Cyril Wecht looked over the case when King County reopened the case a few years ago to say they did an acceptable job. He lists several mistakes in the original coroner's report and suggested that the police investigation had several abnormalities that he charitably described as unusual.
There is even suspicion on the OD in France. It has been suggested that Courtney was the one that dosed Kurt ala John Belushi/Cathy Smith. Her mistake was that she assummed he was gone and called for help too soon and he survived. When asked about it later, Kurt referred to the incident as a mistake.
What I find strange about his death are the syringes that were by his body. If you zoom in and really look at them they to me anyway look clean and unused. The caps are still on.
"From the pit of my burning nauseous stomach" odd he would write this when he had said his stomach problems were cured finally.
I'm hoping one day this case will be re-opened, and I know this is a slim chance.The case of Natalie Wood has been looked at again so maybe there is hope.
is that so Sherlock Holmes? don't quit your day job pretending to be an internet sleuth. The case isn't getting re-opened because there's no new evidence and its a settled matter.
@@scooterruns9355 you don't know that
@@dianam9028 yes I do know that. not a shred of real evidence for this conspiracy theory has ever surfaced and Kurt very clearly took his own life. youre in denial. do you believe in other conspiracy theories besides this one?
Yah it is weird that all the stuff in his drug kit had been cleaned up and put away in the cigar box. And he did do that interview saying he’d been taking meds that basically cured him. I feel like the case could be reopened and Neil Low agrees too in the interview he did w/asf.
@@scooterruns9355nah the managers labels industry did this to him and many other musicians who poised a threat to their agenda Laney Stanley Mike Starr Shannon Hoon Kristen Pialf Chris Cornell Chester Benningfield Bradley Nowell scott weiland etc
And why was Kurt laying in the middle of the floor, you'd think he'd be leaning up against the wall.
good observation. It would be easier to put the tip of that long rifle in your mouth as well I would think. it all seems staged to me like he was sitting in a circle with someone else there like they were getting high together.
cause he was murdered
@@stephenkane2464 no he wasn't.
@@scooterruns9355 ok Kurt must have personally told you this stuff ? Wow thx for letting me know
@@stephenkane2464 no its because all the evidence you choose to ignore says he took his own life. how many other loony conspiracy theories do you believe in besides this one?
You forgot to add something that was always sus to me... The corner of Cobain and I believe Kristian used to party with Courtney in his college days. Conflict of interest much?
Yup!!! And he booked nirvana early on
Do you mean the coroner?
@@the.deadpoet medical examiner - autopsy writer
Nicholas Hartshorne the medical examiner was friends with cl years prior and he died as well. Too many coincidences.
He was also Courtney's band promoter. His name is Harthshorn. Definitely conflict of interest. He needed to report that so that a different coroner for Kurt and Kristen.
To remove Tom Grant entirely as a suspect from this complicated situation is completely erroneous. The idea that Kurt was murdered by a random hitman hired by Courtney, with no outside actors is beyond belief. The likelihood of them not being caught is extremely low. Most likely there would have been people within the Seattle police department involved. In addition everyone else is a suspect including his management, the record label, etc. If we are going to ask cui bono David Geffen would then also be a suspect as his label was making the most money off of Nirvana. Courtney would then function as the fall woman, Tom grant as controlled opposition, and people rarely think of the set of implications this inherently creates. The handwriting story of the lawyer strikes me as another red herring, one that instills the "courtney alone" theory. If Cobain was murdered there was a far larger conspiracy and people just fall into this simplified model. Even the phone conversations, and eveything publicly released should fall under deep scrutiny.
Totally agree. I think the SPD may be involved.
Why do all the conspiracy nuts just dismiss the obvious evidence of his sky-high heroin tolerance (allowing him to easily pull a trigger) and his lifelong struggles with mental illness and probable borderline personality disorder-the most suicidal of all personality disorders? There are countless examples of seemingly happy people dying by suicide, and Kurt was vocal about his struggles with happiness. I did the same overlooking when I was a Cobain conspiracy theorist…in middle school. Then I got real, grew up. There’s no need to besmirch his name and his legacy with already-debunked murder theories to make yourselves feel better
Because he was just in detox.. so he was getting off heroin.. his tolerance couldn't be that high. Also 1.25mg/l is a very very high amount like 2-4x lethal even for ppl with large habits
@@dmvconartists1855he was in rehab for a day calm down. His tolerance must've been enormous. There's really no such thing as a lethal dose for hardcore junkies. They only know how much dope he did in a 2-3 day period. You can do alot of dope in 3 days. All these people that never did a drug in their life buying into that dumb theory is hilarious. They don't have the slightest idea how much he did right b4 he killed himself. That fact is always convienently left out.
@@jeffreyval9665 bro have you ever had an enormous heroin habit?! I feel like I know a little more about this than you..
Sure that's all fine and good but I mean his tolerance wasn't that insane.. he was still functioning.. he wasn't like "Layne stayle in the last days" type of using bro.. and what's with the "diazepam" or whatever benzo was in the root beer? You don't find that a little bizarre that there is benzos in his soda can??!
@dmvconartists1855 Yeah, I have one now, unfortunately and that lethal dose conspiracy is complete bs. It was said that KC had a $400 a day habit. That's alot of dope
and if you knew anything you would know they have no clue how much he did before he killed himself. They only know what he had in his system and that's at least a 3 day period. That "doctor" has no understanding of how tolerance works or how much he did the day he died. The benzos in his root beer is also just speculation and was never proven. You're just watching way too many programs trying to prove he was murdered. If you watched the opposite, proving it was a suicide they can make it look just as convincing as the murder conspiracies. You can do that with practically anything.
Why thank you Dr. Tom! It's funny reading opinions from armchair professionals who are not privy to all the details of the situation. At best you are just blowing hot air around. No one gives a fig what you consider a conspiracy theory
Suppose you are wrong by chance?
Courney was becoming jealous... well, not necessarily jealous, of Kristen."
Yes, jealous, Kristen was more physically attractive, more musically gifted, and more socially valued by her peers than Courney Love. Courney seethed with jealousy. Kurt gave Kristen a copy of the book Perfume which meant a lot to him and she was rumored to be the mystery companion with him at the cottage he holed up in on the final weekend. Pfaff put Coutney Love to shame and Coutney couldn't have that. Mad jealousy. All-consuming jealousy. That's how Coutney's brain operates.
was Kristen also the other female on the flight tickets 🤔
Kurt *married* Courtney. When are you (ppl) going to respect that?!?? Maybe it's all his FAKE FANS holding the whole 'understanding part' (case, investigation) up!!!
@@DE-eVOLVED I hadn't heard about the ticket scenario outside of his own. Sounds interesting. Thanks for replyin' to me. Your interests and presentations are quality. i'm a fan.
@@Crash184 I don't know her personally. I've met her tho and she comes across like a bull in a china shop. After she walked down the street I expected the sidewalk to have cracks. She's physically large for a girl and also invades personal space. She'll get all up close with her elbows far from her waist and be bent forward while talking. Danny Goldberg management was on the same 5th Avenue block as my little bootleg record label and I met Goldberg, Krist Novaselic, and Courtney all on separate occasions in 1997.
Secondly, someone's musical talent doesn't necessarily dictate whether they become commercially successful or not. Courtney was not a good songwriter. Other people wrote for her. THAT'S what Courtney was good at - getting other people to do her bidding. Just watch Kat Bjelland speak on Coutney's ability with that. You want a professional opinion of Coutney's musical abilities, again, just watch what Kat Bjelland has to say on those traits (or lack thereof). Kristen was originally from Minneapolis, which was the hotbed for alternative rock at the time if you weren't in L.A. or New York. She was a respected member of her own three piece band, Janitor Joe. And had more talent in her little finger than Courtney Love has in her entire body. Your reply to my post was maybe you equating commercial success with musical writing talent. As is often the case in life - success isn't so much about what you know as it is about WHO you know. The music business was very much a clandestine club back then. Thing was - Kurt and Kristen bonded over it in private. I've read Kurt respected Kristen's writing abilities and held Kristen in high regard. Guys just like girls like Kristen more than they like boisterous loud mouths like Courtney. Courtney got out of bed each morning to chase after fame, not to hone her songwriting skills. Wanna know more about that? Again, ask Kat Bjelland, another talented songwriter who's from Minneapolis. Know who liked Kat? Layne! And when Layne dumped Kat, Kat strapped herself to the front of his tourbus. lol. She didn't take rejection well. hahaha. Anyway, there's a more detailed answer for you about all of it. Thank you and stuff.
Courtney was pissed at Kristen because she was fucking both Eric and Patty, causing massive dramas in the band with this, acting condescendingly towards the rest of the band musically, trying to flirt with basically any man who came by (including Kurt) and causing a ton of shit when they band were meant to be advertising LTT. Courtney wanted her out of the band and she wanted to go.
She wasn't even in the same state on the last weekend and she only contributed minimally to the songwriting of LTT. She's just a replacement conspiracy theory for Mia Zapata.
Might as well give y'all my lil "Where were you when?" story about Cobain for die-hard fans. On April 8, 1994 me & my punk band were on break from tour & we & a couple other bands decided to head down to Atlanta to see Frank Black and the Ramones. On the way down, between flipping tapes, we heard non-stop Nirvana blocks on the radio. We wondered why, then heard the news. That night the usually quiet Joey Ramone dedicated "Pet Sematary" to Kurt. I wish i remembered what Black said since Pixies were one of Cobain's fave bands, but wasn't one of mine so,...
I like what you do, friend.
Rock On!!!
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pet cemetary?!??🥺😢😭
No one cares.
@@dewilew2137 🍌
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Courtney jumped on top of K's body, but Eric also did the same thing to Kristin. Many strange coincidences in these cases.
It’s a suicide note. First off, it’s addressed “To Boddah,” his imaginary friend from childhood. He’s telling his “best friend,” he’s gotten everything he ever dreamed of in life, and none of it takes the pain away. Second, the bottom of the letter, is the more direct, emotional part of the letter. That’s where the writer wants the eyes to go first. Probably to whom they believed would be the one to find him.
I was literally in the college district of Seattle when I heard from people that he died. I bought two late morning edition papers. I assure you, traffic kept moving in Seattle when he died. I also taught at a guitar store (in 1991) where he and the other band members of Nirvana shopped, as well as Courtney Love. All I will say is that,...... I truly mourn the fact that he died, leaving his beautiful daughter to grow up without her beloved father. (To me, that matters the most. The poor innocent kid!) As far as his death goes, well,......I am still awaiting a place of absolute assurance of a Truth that makes sense. The narrative that was given never sat right with me. And I am be wrong, and it is what the ABSOLUTE truth is. But, having been in Seattle at THAT EXACT time, it all seemed without a center of gravity of an absolute. I just hope his daughter, bereft of a father the world embraces but she shall forever long for, will shine.
The band had other band names before finally deciding on Nirvana, I always liked Pen Cap Chew! 🤘😵👽👽👽
Ted ed Fred is kinda fun too
Oh and bliss that's a cool one
Your wrong with a lot of this case Tom grant was there when they found Kurt he turned up with Dillon Carlson and he told the police he had evidence too give and they didn’t wana know
Yes he was. Thanks for your comment. I was going to add same. Important detail to have correct.
Pretty much proves the SPD wasn’t interested in investigating his death AT ALL.
@@buddingvenus8487 then why did they bring in homicide detectives, dust the weapon for prints and interview Kurt's friends and family? The police have good reason for not taking a clown like Tom Grant seriously.
Strange that Grant told police at the scene that he had been in the house the night before the body was discovered and they blew him off. Wouldn't they want to talk to him right away?
@@michaelcox1913 because he's a clown who wasn't there, never knew Kurt and never worked as anything more than a traffic ceop. What possible reason would they have for talking to conman Tom Grant?
Kurt was already passed when CL called Grant….April 2 was his last day. Rome was the first attempt….many are involved.
Rome incident was supposed to be Kurt telling Courtney he’s leaving the band and her. She almost killed him
I think he died on Monday morning the 4th in the wee hours of the morning like between 1-5am
@@Jordan-co2re That could be, I still feel it was April 2/3 early morning hours. People posing as friends…playing both sides.
Kurt was last seen alive publicly at Midnight on April 4th in a Bar called Lindas Tavern. It was one of his favourites. Look it up.
I think all of you are delusional and insane, and none of you know anything about this man, his personality, his life, or his family. Mind your business.
Not to mention Courtney had the greenhouse immediately torn down
It wasn't until I believe 1998 or so until Courtney has the greenhouse torn down. And of course she used Cali Dewitt's Father's construction company to do so! Just another "coincidence" I'm sure 🙄
took her a while to finally get it torn down@@joshuayettou9032
@@joshuayettou9032 and what exactly is that evidence of?
@@scooterruns9355 Nepotism?
and the gun melted
Tom grand where never above the garage, Tom was actually upset as to why when Dylan brought him to the home he never told him there was a room above the garage he felt like it was intentionally felt he was left out of that knowledge
Jonny Rotten used to call her Courtney Loves Curt’s money
How could they see his body through the French doors as you have shown at 29:40 when at 33:28 it shows Kurt's foot next to something solid. Pretty sure his body was to the right of those doors. And also being on the second floor you wouldn't be able to see from the driveway.
And even if it was from the house, the officers view would have been obstructed by that wall. I think the officer would have seen it from
the rear of the greenhouse, where the electrician had seen it. I find it strange Courtney having an electrician go out to the house. I think she sent them out there to discover his body.
For sure !!! It was days that Kurt was laying there and she needed someone to ‘discover’ Kurt
No, why would it be Courtney? As mentioned in this video, Cobain had noticed in late March that their alarm system was broken. Now, Kurt doesn't strike me as someone who would call an electrician, but it might've gone via his management, Danny Goldberg. And he and the company just set on the date of April 8 to do the work
Most of you think a lot of ridiculous things, that doesn’t make any of them true.
@@raymondhartmeijer9300 finally, someone with some sense.
Courtney called Charles Peltier (sp), their home IT tech guy to request the additional lights. The home security system was working, Grant called Peltier at 2AM to have him disable it so he and Dylan could search the house.
There is no doubt this case needs to be reopened
your analysis is spot on and in-depth! First video I've seen from you and subscribed!
ps. I always suspected Richard Allen Wrench, after the strange ending of El Duce, but now thinking Tom Grant is the main suspect (along with Courtney, of course). It's really sad to thiink he just wanted to quit the band and be there for his daughter, possibly do art. The investigative team in Seattle were terrible
So whoever filed the missing person's report knew Cobain would not be around to refute that he had "run away" from Exodus. Meaning he was already dead by then and that person knew it. The extremely unusual level of protection given to the victim's wife by authorities over 30 years can only be explained by their being linked somehow to the crime itself, and given the lack of proper media reporting or correcting of initial reports, coupled with the ongoing government failure to investigate or simply correct the cause of death after it had been dis-proven by toxicology results, one could conclude that Cobain's death was a CIA hit. That is the only organization that would have the kind of power (and will) to arrange all of that.
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@@scooterruns9355 Perhaps agent scooter could explain where I was mistaken or how such a comment could not be accurate?
@@TheLostMusic24 the fact you actually think the CIA ended the life of Kurt Cobain is a pretty good indication youre a paranoid loony who needs professional help
In a suspicious death or in a murder, The spouse is almost always the first primary suspect. Or person of interest.
Nobody saw anything like that Happening. Or even any questioning of anybody?Is that not strange?Why would they not question and do a proper death Investigation?. Oops, another s. P. D. oversight.
And uh.... mistake.
@@joleneloveland4602 they did do a proper investigation. you just don't like the results of it. Courtney wasn't even in the same state at the time and had a history of SAVING his life. what possible reason would they have to look at Courtney as a suspect? His death wasn't suspicious we know exactly what happened and he left a note spelling out why.
A very good video and Tom Grant both being in contact with Courtney and 'on the pay roll' does seem sus. Especially since he gained access through a window..that's something i'd not thought about before... The note seems to be Kurt writing a dazed memo to himself about how he wants to quit the band and regain zest for normal life...the change in handwriting and the Courtney's 'practice' hand writing sheets ring alarm bells... Like who needs to forge their partners handwriting ??? ...and why ??? The case needs re opening 110% if members of the public world wide can see the inconsistancies then surely a re opening the case for a thorough investigation seems the right thing to do...I do wonder though how many people Courtney's paid off though 🤔
@BradyA1124 although he had a collection of guns as do alot of Americans..and just because he bought guns and ammo doesn't mean he planned to pop himself .. and Courtney may have revived him .. but for her financial gain we can't render the possibility exempt .. she's been pretty mean to the rest of Nirvana making up lies about Grohl sleeping with Kurt and hers Francis Bean, (over money issues of rights of music) then theres the killing of their pets and practise handwriting sheets ... and her suppling and dosing 'meds' to other people she came into contact with (all documented) ... if there's 2 sides to a story at the very least it should be looked into again as things still don't add up.
Look up el duche Cobain interview, then look up Allen Wrench Cobain interview. Allen Wench literally says he done it and "the best part, he will never be charged for it"
If you’d believe those knuckleheads, I don’t think you know much about them beyond this
hey Einstein you do realize El Duce's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids right?
@@opaljk4835 oh I'm sorry did you know Kurt and Courtney personally? Smack heads will do a lot for money
@@WD_R who the heck said anything about knowing anyone personally? I just meant being familiar with The Mentors history (and obviously el duce) and people like Allen Wrench after hearing his name in relation to this…those guys are just provocateurs who had made their living by lying and upsetting gullible people.
Oh man this interview bothers me so much. It makes me question if Allen killed Duce and Kurt. It’s disgusting whether it’s true or not. I did read somewhere that at that time Allen had a girlfriend who had a wine business with her sister and she gave him a chunk of money because he wanted to start some sort of business of his own. This could be the money he’s flashing in the video.
Tom was on scene on April 8th.
Grant was never in the room, Grant asked about it and was told by Dylan it was a greenhouse with junk in it and he wouldn’t be up there. I question Grants motives now but he wasn’t in anyone’s cohort then
Tom Grant did not do this. He is now monetizing and trying to discover new “evidence” to make himself still relevant but in the 90s he was who he said he was
There's plenty of incorrect information here. It wasn't a "powerful shotgun." It was an itty-bitty twenty-gauge. A twenty-gauge is something you'd give a child to shoot squirrels with. It can kill at point-blank range, but it's not good at medium or long range. Hearing her drone on like it was some kind of cannon was annoying.
There is no saying how high Kurt Cobain's tolerance to opiates were. A few days of no opiates is not going to lower one's tolerance too much. A fatal dose to someone with a lowered tolerance may not effect someone with a higher tolerance. It also depends on the opioid and its systemic elimination half-life. That the coroner would sign a death certificate in a very clear cause of death is not at all unusual. In light of no clear cause of death, the death certificate might be differed until the toxicology report gets back, but with a gunshot to the head, there's no need to wait.
The very first thing the police do when they come to a scene with a body is remove the wallet to ID the victim - this is done even is the name of the decedent is known. Cortney Love admitted to filing the missing person report in Kurt Cobain's mother's name. She was just released from jail after a rather eventful arrest, and said she wanted the police to take the report seriously, according to her.
El Duce was not the most reliable of sources. But that he was so open about it, and had no problem saying he was made the offer to kill him on camera, and did so several times, makes me think there might be something to it. Then he himself was hit by a train, and I cannot find two accounts of that with any degree of consistency. He was with the Mentors, a band he founded, and they released like eleven albums. He was on Jerry Springer, and plenty of other talkshows, and was not looking for "fifteen minutes of fame." And you pronounced his name wrong. Just call him El Duce like everybody else to avoid that.
No, the case shouldn't be opened again. There's no new, compelling reason to do so. His case was done pretty thoroughly compared to many. If he wasn't famous, no one would've thought twice about it.
So you haven’t heard the official autopsy that just come out .Also that cl knew where kurt was the day before she sent Tom n cali to the house ,Tom grant just put out all the new info .Im sure this is why there is a huge amount of vids being made .also 30 th Ann
Get out of here.. you actually got a lot wrong.
@@kylejeppsen3834 who did .
@@Crash184 bro whatever I’ve lived that life been around all sorts and I ain’t come across one person who needed a sg to take there soul over to the other side .but I do know a few with v high tolerances who did manage it with a few strips off Valium and well under what they used and managed to check out .one person who done it in same house as me .
I own a 20 gauge and a 12 gauge I'm a born and raised hunter and former Airman and it is not a itty bitty firearm quit making stuff up. I saw the one that he allegedly use there's so way you're using that with the amount of heroin he took. Heroin isn't like pills when it's injected it takes effect immediately he'd be passed out on the floor before he was even able to set it up.
Please fix your audio that does not fit your lips. You look like one of those badly dubbed old Italian movies.
Swamp gas? Weather balloon? Shadowy figure on the grassy knoll?
It couldn't be his devoted darling loving wife who stood to gain so much.. Inconceivable!!!
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No but it wouldn't be *black* hand(s) because...SMPTE
Private investigators dont go snooping though the clients house looking for shotguns
Didnt Dylan divulge to Tom he bought Kurt a shotgun?
Once musicians become worth more dead than alive, look out
Kurt had more talent, skill & creativity in 1 eyelash, than Courtney has in her entire brain, body & spirit. However, when they got together, her career was going better than his. Not 1991. 1990. She tried to snag him in 1989 but couldnt.
The letter reads nothing like he sounded in his daily way of talking, or his letters to his family members.
Crazy about the whole alarm situation. Thank you, no one ever talks about that.
The lab test can of soda shows goofy drugs were soaking in it. Why taste them when he could just swallow them?
Kristen's journal was very active. The pages around his death are ripped out.
But what is craziest to me is the that there is no way he could shoot himself, nor move, nor be conscious with the amt of heroin in his body.
Courtney's buddy did both Kurt's & Kristen's autopsies.
Where the Hell is Kristen's autopsy? No where.
Washington State only releases autopsies to family members. Jason Pfaff says the toxicology results indicated she had H and coke in her system, which would allegedly point to CM, who was known to sell such combinations, according to Charles Cross.
Actually, the first group they formed together, was fecal matter before they were nirvana. 🤷🏻♂️
Fecal matter was Kurt, Crover, and a 4 track tape machine. Krist heard the fm tape and eventually decided to partner up with Kurt.
@@aisle_of_view And Greg Hokanson, even though he didn't play on the recording
Why are you editing out words like suicide, drugs, heroin, etc. It's annoying. Otherwise good.
UA-cam requires that 🥹 otherwise they blacklist the channel and can remove the video entirely
Haha. I worked at the record store I was really there and I know the truth . I know who karoush is haha I remember when he made that name up. His name is Sep and it’s called The Rock Shop
What’s the truth
Shows on soaked in bleach that tom doesn't go to Seattle until the 6th
Soaked in Bleach is an error filled work of fiction thats been trashed even by the people who appear in the film
I guess Courtney wrote I hate myself and want to die
No she wrote "Acrid, syphilic coteries
Put your legs up over your head
I've been walking to your suicide"
When you are an addict, you're tolerance can become freakishly high. Especially if you are a rockstar and you can afford to do all you want. If you're a seasoned addict, one day wouldn't be enough to cause you to OD. Not if you're a long-term. And what the coroner may consider fatal in a normal person wouldn't be fatal to someone with a freakishly high tolerance. So the fact that they say he had five times the lethal limit means absolutely nothing.
I don’t think it’s a suicide. I think it was a murder, and looks like it was staged Courtney probably hired a hitman, or enforcer to kill her husband, and all of Courtney‘ lackeys acquaintances, staying Kurt house and the gun was wiped and Callie. The nanny got paid probably got paid off by Courtney Love. She hired Tom grand to cover up the tracks. I mean her tracks to make it look like Kurt was missing. Meanwhile, she probably had a hand in his death. She has erratic behavior. She doesn’t look like she is morning loss of Kurt Cobain she probably murdered him because she wanted his money and also her band is not doing so great and she probably killed her bass player Kristen Fath and also she probably killed Eldon Hoke she wanted him to murder her husband, but he thought it was a joke, and now he’s dead and I bet she paid some enforcer to murder her husband. She’s a bloodline to a secret club probably because her father is manager of great full dead I got all this information from the American spy fox UA-cam channel and the guy is a big nirvana fan just like me and the rest of everyone in the world and you know Courtney love. Lied about it. She probably jealous of Kurt. She just wanted his money. She murdered him. She’s probably connected to a bloodline or a secret society because she has her name and Jeffrey Epstein’s black book. Goes to show that she has so much dirt on her. All my information is from the American spy fox channel. You should watch his channel. That’s where we’re gonna get all these information from.
the fact youre getting your information from a grifting clown like ASF is more than enough reason not to believe a word of anything you have to say.
Kurdt did NOT drink! He had chronic stomach pain and alcohol would have only exacerbated this. Also, at 110 lbs., I find it difficult to believe that Kurdt could "throw around" ANY adult human. 😂
Another point is interesting, why R.Caroll and Dany Goldberg divorced ? We know R.Caroll knew that Kurt wanted divorced, take off Courtney from his last will etc.. In my opinion Dany Goldberg know something too...
Ya I always thought those two had something to do with it because they had a lot to gain from Kurt’s death. Also them being replaced by Michael Stipe and Drew Barrymore as godparents is another clue. Another thing I want to point out is the Foo Fighters song called Rosemary. That could possibly be another clue.
28:38 i never realized that so yeah she called several days after he fled the rehab... This was probably around when cali was committing the murder and not telling CL.. Cali didn't tell CL kurt was dead until the 5th which is why CL finally let TG to to Seattle on the 6th to look for him.. because she knew he was dead already... " SAVE THE AMERICAN ICON TOM!!"
31:03 .. no nooo nooo.. no thats not .. ur way off the timeline. They weren't there on the 3rd or 4th.. tom had just met CL in LA on the 1st , 2nd and 3rd. Kurt was already dead basically when Tom actually went to look for him. Because CL wanted to find Kurt's body she didn't actually want to find him alive
Cali did not pick kurt up from the airport a limo driver named Lisa did I believe from Seattle limousine co.
Good break down of events but the years in the description i think are wrong . March 93 should be 94
The calendar image was cool. You're right about Love. I ran into her years ago when she was chasing a young tech celebrity. He got away
Tom and Dylan couldn’t see the greenhouse bc it was nighttime and raining. When he went back when they found the body, he was shocked to even see the greenhouse at all
It was Showering the Friday Morning Gary Smith found Kurt's body. Seattle is Known for its Frequent on and off Rain Showers. ANYONE from there can tell you that.
Watch the documentary “Soaked in Bleach”. Grant tried to talk to the police as soon as he found out and they weren’t interested in talking to him right then. I believe they said they would call him later.
Didn't bother watching the whole video... Dates, facts are totally off in the way the band started, how Kurt met CL.... Bs
OMGosh, just saw this episode. Courtney is the guilty party obviously! And Kristen transfers out of this world shortly after Kurt's murder? Come on, reopen Kurt's investigation, absolutely! How does Courtney get away with this? Ofcourse, spirit and our consciousness of it all, she will have to pay in the future. Thank you for this report!
Tom Grant was there April 8th 1994. The police refused to talk to him.
And I believe person in charge of homicide were fired shortly after
that's because Tom Grant is a clown with no background in homicide investigations. who was fired?
@@scooterruns9355 That's right.
He resigned a few days before he was going to be fired. This was in 96 or 97.
He was murdered, period, case closed.
Full stop 🛑
case closed eh? then surely you can cite some real evidence proving it. lets hear it.
Exactly ! Look at the video " Kurt Cobain died for his royalties " , a documentary is about to come .
@@scooterruns9355 Even Iggy Pop said it ... Come on .
@@elborbah3045 a documentary on UA-cam is not evidence there genius. how would Iggy Pop know?
Well said & respectful & kind.
What I find the oddest two things about this whole situation are the following.
1. If you are so worried and afraid your husband and father of your child could potentially harm himself , be missing, or possibly OD on drugs why wouldn’t you immediately leave LA/Bev hills and fly up to Seattle to start looking for him yourself with other friends/family members or the investigator you hired?
2. As a former opiate addict, being high on heroin is the most amazing blissful feeling that I have ever felt in all my time on planet earth. The last thing anyone in this amazing blissful state would ever want to do is get high and feel this incredibly euphoric feeling and then decided I think I will now kill myself. Other than accidental overdoses there has never been one single case in all of history where someone high on opiates decided to kill themselves. The opiate high just feels way too blissful to where you would decide to do that. Most addicts who end up offing themselves do so when they have no means to find or pay for any more drugs and they are going through the horrible pain of withdrawing. This actually should have been my number one speculative reason.
Well they had a whole lotta names before Nirvana
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Tom grant came to the scene and tried to talk to the police and told them he had information and they basically sent him away. I can tell you really tried and I appreciate that, but you got several
Things either wrong or left out. I don’t know what your sources are but I would double check them or research more prior to speaking on things so it doesn’t mess with your credibility.
that's because Tom Grant is a clown who wasn't there, didn't know Kurt and was attempting to benefit from the situation. the cops knew this and rightly sent him on his way.
They didn't follow protocol the arriving officer concluded it was a suicide....that's not a police officers call. Should have been a death investigation, done by a coroner to see if it was a successful a murder or an accident.
there was a death investigation done and it wasn't a murder or an accident Kurt took his own life. how do you know what protocol is? are you a police officer?
@scooterruns9355 🤣🤣🤣🤣it's public knowledge do some research scooter especially before you try and correct someone🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 such a tool......
@scooterruns9355 your pretty dumb, so you probably don't know what a forensic pathologist is without looking it up...... soo yeahhh.....
@@EL-CUCUY310 public knowledge? lol sure it is. what's the esource of your research there Einstein?
@@scooterruns9355 Indeed. King County concluded and closed the Investigation for a Reason.
Finally i found a "full" investigation.
When Tom and Dillon were leaving the house in the rain that night his headlights are right on the green house above the garage why didnt he ask Dillon what is that above the garage and go and check it out
Tom got into Seattle at 10PM, he met with Dylan around midnight, and they entered the home at 2AM. Easy to imagine Tom was pretty beat and tired. And Dylan was likely the same (or worse)
Courtney calls an electrician from Los Angeles to install flood lights right outside the glass door were Kurt's body lay in their Seattle homes greenhouse.. that tells the entire story
CL a talented guitarist 😂 you’ve lost me right there
🤣🤣 Good joke Thanks for the laughs🤣
I don’t want to be murdered by her too! 😳
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORYthat's funny😊
I like your channel.
I noticed a few comments are kinda snarky. Please don't pay attention to those fools
@@BradyA1124he was murdered. How did Kurt pull the trigger and why was the shell found on the wrong side.
You're a fool
@@BradyA1124the shotgun in his hand doesn't prove suicide, genius.
U obviously a Courtney fan girl. 😅
How could he write a letter and go into a haze, injecting heroin is instant. The levels he had there's no was he could shoot himself. Love should be surviving a life sentence.
@ 22:34 talking to Grant she slips and refers to Kurt in the past tense by saying, "Kurt was...."
Not to mention the temperature was too cold in the greenhouse to be a good place to shoot up. In April too its cold still here in the PNW. I think it was in the 60's. I read it somewhere but can't find it again. Way to cold to be comfortable.
That’s a huge point. That greenhouse didn’t seem to have heating. Electric heaters? these are things that need to be looked at. Like any outbuilding, especially a garage they don’t tend to be connected to the main central heating.
Unless the boiler was in there but given that it was demolished I’m guessing not
@@SubsequentVisionlike the impossible fact to have one hole after using a five ml syringe with black tar .the biggest red flag is that there 95/ p of ex users woukd explain why .size spoon ,how stained it was .h left in box .oh and then to use duck shot n shotty,nearly forgot about that huge big red flag
If you haven’t watched true psyc ward series on this you dnt no it .
Don’t forget Cali girlfriend said the house was so cold they had to build a fire! I think Court used Mark Lanergan to locate Kurt (which was at the motel Tom found w name Bill Bailey checked in but Court didn’t want Tom to go there & ck, said that she already did😮)👉Think he was dead Bf the 5th & kept on ice, prob in the tub w ice bags (Tom didn’t check the tubs) & is why his hair was unusually slicked back & then was moved to the greenhouse the night Tom was sent to their cabin! Think the biggest giveaway(Ssss) was hiring Tom & sending him on a wild goose chase & then Court hiring the electrician👉 which led to finding Kurt!🦋
I’m glad you mentioned being sus of Tom Grant. I’ve asked myself similar questions and thoughts. Not that Tom did a hit but that he may have been in on it. Like telling her how to cover it up, trick LE and possibly used to perpetrate pay off’s. Not saying that’s what I think but the thought has crossed my mind. I love free thinkers that aren’t afraid to look through everything with an open mind. You did a great job 👏🏻
now even Tom Grant is part of the big sinister plot? LOL seek help bro
Just listen these from 1994 when Courtney was looking Kurt: ua-cam.com/video/VcDqheogd6E/v-deo.html
and what on these recordings is so damning?
My birthday is February 20,1967. RIP Kurt. You missed so much life.
Kirk wasn’t happy with his performance on “Top Of The Pop’s”
She was definitely a groupie. Think about it back In that day 0 social media. so to meat a famous person a band member that is traveling doing music you NEED to be down with the program and to get that person into a relationship you need to be a lucky groupie
So much fiction in a sanitized little package of controversy.
How so?😂
The wallet isn't unusual considering the shotgun and the effect that would seemingly have, and the obvious end result, which I know didn't occur.
I cannot in good faith not bring up all the disputed facts of Kurts suicide, yes SUICIDE!
1. the blood they did the toxicology with came from Kurts heart where the concentration was higher and had not worked its way through his system before he died. He was a heavy user and did a lot of heroin.
2 The suicide note. It's clear as can be, he wrote the bulk of the letter, got high and wrote the bottom part. Same handwriting only fucked up cause he was fucked up.
3. There were no fingerprints on the gun bc it sat in a cold wet environment for 3 days, Any visible prints would've been lost.
Courtney was no saint but why bother to kill a suicidal person and he was. He talked about it all the time. He was bi-polar and had pretty extreme ups and downs. This was only 1 month after his previous attempt which almost worked.
I hate hearing all these ridiculous theories, Kurt would've been mortified. At the end of the day, he loved her and she him.....
Why did you leave out all of the Allen Wrench details? That's WHO "Allen" is. He's a real guy and one of the final parts of the entire mystery. Please keep going with this!!
and you're actually gullible enough to believe that ridiculous story?
@chestrockwell6807 Keep your insulting comments to yourself. It's just a part of the narrative. Too bad you couldn't stop yourself from calling me gullible. Your input has been experienced. I'm not going to say anything else to you.
@@Stuvoodoo you are gullible and are clearly willing to believe any nonsense so long as it lines up with YOUR narrative.
that suic_de note is weird. It almost canonizes Courtney, and is very self deprecating of Kurt (if he even wrote it?) It seems like some sh_t she would say.
Kurt always canonized Courtney if you listened to a word he actually said in his life rather than just making up fan fiction about his feelings.
@@Danathema The only time I saw him speak well of Courtney is maybe when they first met. The only one who canonizes Courtney is Courtney. Do you really think Kurt committed suicide? You have to admit that there is some strange happenings around this death; and Courtney (I've never met her) seems like a selfish, spoiled, fame chasing, vengeful, manipulative gold digger. I don't think it's all an act. Also, even her own father said as much about her. It wouldn't surprise me if Courtney stole whatever musical ideas Kurt had in his notebooks and used them for herself.
@@markb2255 He literally said in January 1994 that he felt his legacy will always be Courtney being his wife as she would always be his wife. He encouraged his fans to tell he they appreciated her. He told various he friends he loved Courtney in the weeks before he died. He said "I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy" in his last words about her. You are creating fan fiction to fit your pre-conceived biases.
I don't "think" he committed suicide, it is a fact that he committed suicide because this has been established with indisputable evidence.
Her father was an abusive piece of shit who fed his child drugs (he was a dealer for the Grateful Dead) as a toddler, was sexually abusive, hadn't seen her since she was a teenager, was as nice as pie about her after Kurt's suicide and called her a wonderful person and then changed his tune when she refused to give him money and he pivoted to trying to hawk a book about her to cash off of them instead. Everyone associated with the Grateful Dead referred to the guy as a pathological liar who would say anything for a quick buck.
Kurt took ideas from Courtney for In Utero, not the other way around but this never gets mentioned. Kurt had severe writers block in 1993 (he needed Grohl's help to make In Utero as he was out of ideas)and took the title of the album from a poem Courtney wrote (she was going to use it for Live Through This but changed her mind). Kurt was a shit lyricist who spent most of his late teens/early twenties writing gibberish about beans, farts and pee-pee. His lyrics were detached fragments of random gibberish he'd written in his journals at different dates. Whenever he tried to use a topic, he generally got it completely wrong as what happened when Polly was taken to be a pro-rape song because he failed at telling the story. Courtney had been writing about rape, feminism, body issues and societal injustice since her teens and actually taught Kurt how to properly structure poems - you can see him attempt to use some of her turns of phrase in In Utero.
Courtney had an entire band of her own separate from Kurt, worked on a lot of her songs for LTT before they started dating and each band member contributed democratically to the ones they wrote together that had no input from Kurt.
Your "argument" basically comes down to.
Kurt - is a man - genius
Courtney - is a woman - imposter.
@@Danathema maybe you're right and I'm wrong . I didn't know either one of them personally. You seem pretty passionate about music. Are you a musician? do you live in California(that's where I'm at). Maybe we should get together and make some music. let me know if you want to listen to some of my music. I was obviously being a bit abrasive and maybe I have had the wrong idea about Courtney. Like I said, I don't know her personally. I mean the whole suicide situation seemed weird, but if he killed himself it would suck for Courtney to have to be blamed. She has obviously had a crazy life too, so have I. So you changed my mind, I mean I think Courtney's music is good rock n roll, she can just come off as hard to like sometimes personally, but maybe it's just her trying to navigate tough situation. I guess I was kind of being a d_ck in some of my earlier messages. I apologize
@@markb2255 No worries.
I am not a musician, no, but Courtney has absolutely gotten a really rotten deal with the conspiracy theories.
Why didn't you bother to watch Soaked in Bleach? Its the easiest research for this case, And you seem to have done a fair amount of research, but missed this step which would have cleared up a lot of errors or confusion you have.
It’s an absolute mess of a movie
Soaked in Bleach is an error filled work of fiction that makes numerous false claims and has been trashed even by the people who appear in the film. if thats your idea of "research" you clearly don't know what actual research is.
@@scooterruns9355what false claims were made. It’s one thing to throw that out there but it’s another to back it up
@@Spooky_515 the claim the weapon was melted down, the claim Kurt had too much drugs in his system to function, the claim Kurt was too short to reach the trigger. That ridiculous film is so chock full of misinformation its like bad comedy.
Ok. About the heroin he had in his blood. Police, doctors, they always say that that kind of quantity in a person is impossible. He would drop dead before the end of the fix. False, false, false. I'm an heroine addict for more than 45 years and let me tell you, I've seen people with an habit of way more than a gram per hit, shooting 4 or 5 times per day. Some persons develop a high tolerance to the stuff. 😮❤
29:00 This part confused me. So, Levandowski saw Kurt's body from the second floor of the garage. ie. Literally standing outside the room where Kurt's body was, looking through the glass doors.
The second floor of the garage is the greenhouse, right? So, I presume he walked up the steps and was standing outside the door to the greenhouse. On top of the garage.
But Tom and Dylan never made it quite that far, did they?
If Tom and Dylan looked out the second storey window of the main house, maybe they would have seen Kurt. But if there were no lights on in the greenhouse, probably not, right?
Tom says he didn't even see that there *was* a greenhouse/room on top of the garage in the dark of night, and Dylan obviously knew it was there but didn't think it was worth checking. Supposedly.
Have I got that wrong, though? Because I was a little confused hearing this. You said Dylan and Tom were literally in the same spot as Levandowski and maybe I'm taking 'literally' a little too literally. I thought they were below it, in the driveway. And parallel, with a possible direct line of sight from the second storey.
But at night.... Ehhh I can see how the room above the garage could get neglected. Harder to justify it for a professional investigator, but maybe. Tbh, you'd think you'd see it with your car headlights pulling in. But anyway - now I'm not sure if I even have the facts of it right.
Minimally, they should have noticed Kurt's car in the garage with the deflated tires. Why didn't they check the car for Kurt?
@@aisle_of_view Kurt was driving around Town during Tuesday the 5th. He was last seen out publicly in Tukwila.
Also Courtney threatened to not let kurt see his daughter unless he went to the treatment center so he went krist was the one that took him and they had a physical fight tl make him get on the plane at this point Kurt runs into someone he knew and told that person he was going to that specific rehab they then both laughed because that person told kurt his friend went to that treatment center and scaled a wall and left which thry laughed because its a volunteer place he could have just left BUT its a fact and not because Courtney said so but Kurt scaled that same wall and left the center thats a fact he sat next to Duf from Guns and Roses on his flight back after he left