@@bobbyweaver7275supposedly because of intruders there were cameras to be installed. Ironically, they weren't being installed until after he was dead. I heard somewhere that it was Courtney that had the electrician there so yes, it was to find the body.
I'm no expert, but I am 52 years old and spent the mid 90's in the Seattle area as a heroin addicted musician. I was very much into Kurt's music and have friends that were very close to the Nirvana scene. There are so many things that don't seem right about the scene, the letter, and the circumstances. We will probably never know 100% for sure what happened, however, I am 100% sure Kurt did NOT commit suic_de.
Mark I would like your opinion on his syringes. This is what stands out the most to me. To me those syringes look clean and unused. The caps are still on. With that amount of heroin Kurt used, how is it possible or why would he even want to place the caps back on the syringes? Sid Vicious was a heavy user and was found with the needle still stuck in his arm.
@@dianam9028 you wouldn’t and the other problem is black tar boil off .the amount he wld boil ,cook up would be to thick .for 5 ml ,this I know due to freinds who done it .
A few corrections here: - Michael Dewitt did not collect Kurt from the airport. This is important, because while Kurt was supposedly missing, Dewitt had seen Kurt in the house on the morning of April 2nd, and phone records show he had been in frequent contact with Courtney throughout that day. However, Courtney did not tell Grant this, which is a huge red flag. - 29:24 The ability to see Kurt's body from the main house is impossible. Levandowski is describing the view from the decking that accessed the greenhouse/2nd floor. This decking was at the back of the greenhouse, out of view from the main house. - 30:58 This is incorrect. Tom Grant arrived in Seattle late on April 6th. He met with Dylan Carlson and went to search for Kurt early morning circa 2:15am on April 7th. 38:17 Tom Grant was directed by Courtney Love to strictly not monitor the house. She went ballistic when she discovered one of the local PI's Grant had subcontracted decided to set up a stakeout at the house. Tom and Dylan spent the day of April 7th investigating Kurt's dealer Caitlin Moore, searching local motels, and then made a trip out to Carnation where the Cobain's had a summer cabin. Courtney then instructed them to return to the house that night to search for the gun in a hidden compartment in their wardrobe. She was trying to get Grant to discover the body.
Thnks ,she’s missed out a lot like duck shot .look at the length of it .Its comical nothing gets done about this love it iggy come out and said what he did .he just became to valuable to be allowed to walk away .
@@BradyA1124 Who's saying Dylan didn't buy the gun? Kurt's guns were confiscated on March 18th, 1994, hence the reason why he purchased a new one. He told Carlson it was for protection, and that is precisely what you would buy for that purpose.. Kurt then left for rehab after he purchased the gun. Courtney revived Kurt in Rome? That's a very mysterious situation, and her account varies. SNL and Roseland were before their relationship started going south.
Dewitt was trying to avoid Love like the plague as Love was trying to cut him off from heroin to stop him enabling Cobain. Love wanted to fire him but Cobain wouldn't have it as Dewitt would often buy drugs for him. Dewitt kept ignoring Love and only told Cobain to get in contact with her as she wanted her to stop harassing him about it. Love referred to Dewitt dismissively as "the help" and told him he was not to leave his bedroom when he was in the house. Lanegan was with Grant and Carlson when they checked the house. Grant was not told to not monitor the house, Grant lied and made this up when this whole thing revealed that he was bumbling boob without the first idea what he was doing - he was a used car salesman playing fake "detective". He got another detective involved and the other detective wanted to watch the house but Grant, being an idiot, wanted to go on wild goose chases and the other detective quit in disgust. When Grant finally got his arse in gear and looked at Cobain's house, he was too late and couldn't locate a dead man inside of it. He phoned police in tears thinking he'd been seen as a complete idiot in front of the world then greed kicked in and he started scamming. The police were also called to the house (twice) by Courtney and spoke to the workmen outside, they would have probably intercepted him had they gone inside but they'd already been out on a domestic once before so thought talking to the workmen was enough - they said they hadn't seen Cobain. Courtney actually called the police to the house herself.
Another small correction is that Kurt begged Krist to join his band (or lack thereof then 😅). And before Nirvana there was several different band names such as Bliss, Ted Ed Fred, Pen Cap Chew, etc. I'm not saying you weren't already aware of this as you are obviously a bright young lady (and beautiful 😍) and very informed of Kurt/Nirvana and I agree with everything you said. I really enjoy watching your content. You have a new fan and subscriber! You do such a great job. I'd love to discuss Kurts death with you. You've brought a fresh and bitter perspective to it all which is mighty impressive I must say! Good job 😁
I think that anybody who grew up and was old enough to be a Nirvana fan at the time and remember it today would know that the vast majority of Nirvana fans quite rightly couldn't stand Courtney Love and not only the fans but a lot of her contemporaries a lot of musicians couldn't stand Courtney Love she was manipulative and spiteful
Dude I hated Nirvana when they busted on the scene with other "grunge" bands. I am not happy about his murder though. Cuntley Glove had him under her thumb and Cobain followed like a lost puppy. She is the epitome of a gold digger. When I hear them on the radio now I will listen to the song. Shit, what else is there to hear? Poptry (country that aint country at all) or hip-hop? The music industry has finally gone down with a fucking whimper. Yeah I know I sound like the old man that yelled at you and me...."Hey you kids, get off my lawn, or I am gonna shoot you"!!
95% of all crime including "murder" the assailant knew the victim. Or in other words, the asshole who did it. "Random" crime just doesn't happen in the world. The term beind 95% of all crime is called "motive". So just remember that if you regretfully find yourself a victim of crime. Translation: : Yes your brother-in-law you never liked was the one to drink all your beer, then run off with your favorite music cd's and posters. lol
The case will never be reopened and it's very sad. He was in the green house because he was scared he knew someone was after him and the green house was the best place to see everything. That's my take on it. But I do hope and pray that one day the "TRUTH" will come out. And the people's responsible for his death will be punished I just don't understand how the people that did this can live with the guilt and not have talked about it.. the "peoples" responsible for taking his life he knew... gone way too soon...
I guarantee you weren't about when Kurt was about 😂 you know nothing! You don't know him! You are hurting his family!! Anyone that knows Kurt knows he killed himself! He wanted to die! It's simple ! Most men his age die by suicide
I'm one of those fans that cried foul. Tom Grant is an ex cop that became a private investigator. I believe that Courtney was trying to create an alibi through hiring him, but made a mistake by getting someone that didn't buy her double talk. The Kurt and Courtney documentary has several important interviews at that time - more than just Eldon Hoke. (The scared nanny describing the arguments at the house about money and divorce, the squirrely best friend that doesn't seem quite forthright, Courtney's ex that wanted to left the music industy because of controlling Courtney - perhaps the same as Kurt) Soaked in Bleach has a lot of Tom Grant's recordings of Courtney's weird, feeble ...explanations. Important notes on Kurt after death - repotedly, Kurt's arms weren't long enough to reach the trigger and both his shoes were on. (Couldn't have used his toe) Kurt's heroine kit was put away as well as wiped down. Like the pen in the note, it seems out of place. Also the shotgun shell was ejected on the wrong side. Dr. Cyril Wecht looked over the case when King County reopened the case a few years ago to say they did an acceptable job. He lists several mistakes in the original coroner's report and suggested that the police investigation had several abnormalities that he charitably described as unusual. There is even suspicion on the OD in France. It has been suggested that Courtney was the one that dosed Kurt ala John Belushi/Cathy Smith. Her mistake was that she assummed he was gone and called for help too soon and he survived. When asked about it later, Kurt referred to the incident as a mistake.
That is one thing that always confused me. I'd never seen pics of the weapon, but seeing it and knowing how that particular type works *he wouldn't have been able to do as they describe with the shell ending up where it did as a side ejector.... especially not a Left Handed Dominate person* When was he active or reserve military service? because that missing person report has the Yes box checked. Even taking into account cadaveric spasms it doesn't work. Maybe a forensics lab will one day make up a mock scene and run through the scenarios.
@@AngB517 Do a search for "kurt cobain, sh0tgun pics" without the zero in place of the "o". The picture that I see repeatedly appears to be a right handed one. Also, as far as I know, he was never in the reserves. From what I've read, Kurt didn't even dress out for gym class in school, choosing to be in trouble with the other outsiders (non-jocks) instead. So many problems with the investigation were brought up that they decided to review the case and clear themselves of mistakes (You don't believe me, just ask me, I'll tell you) In the process of patting themselves on the back to show what a good job they did, they didn't really clear up the issues, they just created more. Her own father said that if she didn't have him k!lled, at the very least, she drove him to it. The interview with Kurt's 'friend' in the Kurt and Courtney documentary looks to me like he is being very evasive. He seems to not be answering truthfully or maybe he's scared and trying not to say something that might result in him apparently deciding to take a nap on some railroad tracks. The nanny certainly was very scared. Too many facts fail to be consistent with accepted narrative.
@vinceinhouston4338 all good points except for that idiot Cyril Wecht or whatever his name is. He has no concept of how high KC's tolerance must've been, and he always convienently leaves out he has no idea how much dope he did the day he died. He only knows what he did in a 48-72 hour period. His "lethal amount" theory is complete bs.
The shot gun was purchased because Dylon recommended it …. The other fire arms kurt had, had finger prints from other people on them. Like Kourtney………. she took the guns from him more then once or moved them herself. After arguments due to her not wanting them in the house. That’s why the shot gun was purchased. Of course Dylon was in on this. She planned this for a while. Kurt wasn’t planning on buying that shot gun. But since the “ alarm system wasn’t working “ he had to insist…. “ Kurt ya gotta protect yourself man !! “ he got into Kurt’s head. Telling Kurt about intruders… Kurt probably wasn’t really worried about that at all at first. So yes. A clean shot gun with only Kurt’s finger prints on it. JUST AS A PRECAUTION ! Can’t run the risk of Kourtney’s prints some how being on the gun so she would come up even as a possible suspect. That again is why that shot gun was purchased. Sounds like pre meditated murder to me
One thing that really stood out was just a few weeks before he died he purchased a Volvo car. And someone asked him why a Volvo when you could get something nicer. Kurt said because its the safest car to drive. A person with little to no care about self preservation doesnt say they do things because their safe. But then again Kurt was an unusual thinker..
lol, it’s funny hearing Kurt say, “we weren’t fighting.” Yet, he contradicts himself by saying “I RIPPED IT OFF OF HER.” Man, I wish he would have just left Courtney and focused on himself, music, and his daughter.
I am a mental health professional, and just in my personal opinion, (not a diagnosis) Courtney seems to be a narcissistic sociopath. Kurt was an empath, narcs are drawn to them like flies. Empaths have what narcissists never will. They draw others naturally, without manipulation. Narcs must manipulate because they are incapable of real compassion, humility, love..Narcissists only feel selfishness ,disgust, jealousy, hatred and others run from them eventually. I believe she wanted to control Kurt because of what he could do for her and at the same time was jealous of him because people loved him so easily. I think she actually despised him for it and wanted to destroy him
Yep. I have experience with narcs. I just about unalived myself too. As soon as I did research on kurt and Courtney I knew right away what he was going through.
In "soaked in Bleach", there is a segment near the end called "the suicide note" where in a recorded phone call with courtney, tom grant asks her if she still had the original suicide note. She tells him yes and that "it was in red pen, and it was on an IHOP..because I stopped at an IHOP"....and then she stops like she catches herself. But she basically admits to writing the suicide note at an IHOP. That what it sounds like to me. If kurt wrote the suicide note, why did she say she stopped at an IHOP?
On 3/3. They say he died 4/5, 45 days after his 27th birthday. That day leaves 270 days in the year. It was exactly 270 days after Courtney's b day. Ritual=27 in gematria. The numerology of it all screams ritual. Edit* meant to point out 4/5 was 33 days after 3/3
Tom Grant definitely knows more, he even said he has more recordings in his safe of conversations with Courtney and others that he hasn't released yet. Tom started off as a cop with a clean record and a reputation of being a good honest guy. Then he became a detective then he opened his own business as a private investigator. He's been in that profession for 40 years and not one piece of dirt has EVER been dug up about Tom. Believe me people have look and tried to find something so that they could discredit him and the evidence he found. But they found NOTHING on Tom. That's not common to find no bad record when you deal with the public as your occupation. The only thing they found on Tom to use to discredit the fact that because of his evidence that Courtney had Kurt killed, was that he didn't see the greenhouse and find the body. That one thing and that was after Kurt was already dead. That pathetic to say because Tom had no idea the greenhouse was there and didn't see it on a dark stormy night that all of his evidence becomes useless. Tom not seeing the greenhouse has nothing to do with at least 100 pieces of evidence that says Courtney, the spouse, who would benefit the most from Kurt's death did it. We're talking $50K Courtney would get through a divorce as opposed to $400 million, the publishing rights to Nirvanas everything and all of Kurt's houses and possessions. Yeah, being the money and fame hungry psycho she is, that's a hands down 1000% she had Kurt killed.
she couldn’t have been solely responsible there’s more than likely others involved and most importantly the overlords overseeing the record companies finances most certainly had a vested interest in the final outcome..
Kurt was actually a drummer. He played drums quite well actually. He also played some guitar. I read a bio written about him while he was still alive and it was really good. I had a lot in common with him actually. I think he was not arrogant or anything like that. He was a working class guy. And, he was an odd duck, different from his family and felt like he was a odd- one-out, I think. I am glad he became successful, but, I feel that he was with an opportunist. I have always suspected that she's a psychopath. I knew a guy who's girlfriend knew both Kurt and Courtney, and he said that his girlfriend had rich parents and would have big parties in Seattle, and that Courtney was actually kicked out of the house for stealing. He said that Kurt was cool, but Courtney was something else.
And Courtney’s album was just about to come out. It was gonna flop. It would have looked really bad for Courtney to try and support an album when she would of been divorced
@@stephenkane2464 it wouldn't have flopped it was a great record. Why would anybody care about her maritial status when buying an album? youre clueless.
The electrician was sent by Courtney because the body had not been found yet. The mess that would have resulted from a body decomposing within the building would have been a big problem. I think he needed to be found asap as far as Courtney was concerned. The instant that he was declare dead, she became a very rich widow. Her Band's name was a perfect nickname for her as well. There is a guy who claims to have discovered that several people were there at the time of his death. He WAS dead before the blast took out a portion of his skull and brains. The amount of Heroin in his blood is proof of his death being a fact and that he could not operate that shotgun because he would have immediately blacked out before the needle would have left his arm. One close friend was involved and had been interviewed by the police. One person has died since that day but this guy says that the cops won't do anything to resolve this case. Maybe enough cash was spent to buy some sort of lack of resolve on their part. Courtney was the mastermind of the murder of Kurt Cobain. She hired several useful idiots to provide her with an alibi but thoroughly screwed that up by pushing those people to be in certain places at key times. The coincidental appearances of those people at those crucial points in time is, in my opinion, knowledge of the coming death, and also an admission of guilt. Courtney left a backpack/suitcase with an attorney friend for an extended period of time. The attorney looked in the bag to be sure there was nothing illegal in the bag. What she found was several pages of Courtney having tried to copy Kurt's handwriting style. Many of the words which had been in the last paragraph of that so called suicide note were being practiced. That note was Kurt apologizing to his fans for his upcoming announcement of his retirement from Nirvana. Courtney wrote that last paragraph of the letter which supposedly showed that Kurt was suicidal. The receipt for the shotgun purchase was in Kurt's friend's name. That friend was also one of those present at the time of his death. 2+2= murder through actions planned and carried out by more than one person. Conspiracy. Killers are known to keep souvenirs of their victims.
In Foo Fighters Back in Forth Documentary, Pat Smear (who was Nirvana's second guitarist who had been in the band for 7 months) had said that the last time he heard from Kurt Cobain was through a message Kurt had sent him on his phone but Pat wasn't home when that happened. It is unknown when that actually happened, but when Pat said it in the interview he looked quite uncomfortable talking abt it
I’ve always had my eye on Pat. He’s another one of cl’s minions. She only hired him because Kurt would forget songs and Pat was there as like a back-up. It’s also interesting to note that a band member has died in every band Pat’s been in. He’s like a dark cloud.
@@nirvana_veggiegirl Well they both were on H when they died, but Kurt was on 3 times the lethal dose apparently, which makes how he was supposed to have done it impossible.
@@nirvana_veggiegirlTons of musicians going back to the 1920s Big Band Era have overdosed on heroin....seemingly the drug of choice amongst artists...
Courtney calls an electrician from Los Angeles to install flood lights right outside the glass door were Kurt's body lay in their Seattle homes greenhouse.. that tells the entire story
Courtney called her IT/Home Security guy, Charles Pelly (seattle local), who then contracted a local Seattle electrical company to install the lighting.
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY He DID flee. He literally jumped a fence. It’s a well documented fact that he escaped from the hospital. He didn’t know he was allowed to leave voluntarily at any time. 🙄
When you are an addict, you're tolerance can become freakishly high. Especially if you are a rockstar and you can afford to do all you want. If you're a seasoned addict, one day wouldn't be enough to cause you to OD. Not if you're a long-term. And what the coroner may consider fatal in a normal person wouldn't be fatal to someone with a freakishly high tolerance. So the fact that they say he had five times the lethal limit means absolutely nothing.
The most Sensible Comment I’ve read on Here , I know through First Hand Experience, but didn’t want to Comment but after reading what you’ve just said , i thought 👏 Yes no trust words Spoken ☝️
True, but the legendary Cyril Wecht said that while the dose might not have been fatal to Kurt, the point is that he couldn't think of a single case in which someone shot up and then shot themselves. That much dope would presumably have put Kurt flat on his back, unable to roll down his sleeve and put away his stuff, and then shoot himself. To be fair, Patty Schemel has written that she had seen Kurt inject massive quantities of smack and then do things.
You are contradicting world reknowned pathologists? It is in no way possible & has never been done.Kurt wanted out of that horrible marriage & Courtney was not going to be the poor ex. It was a poorly staged murder & easy to solve if anyone had investigated.
Kurt was limited to 300$ a day because thats all the atm would let him withdraw. Thats more than enough to OD. That heibg said the amount he took would be a lot even for a heavy addict. I believe about 3x as much plus the Diazepam (Valium), would have increased the effect and further lowered his respitory rate. All IV mind you, then had the wherewithal to load a shotgun and shoot himself. (Not to mention the poisition the shotgun was found in his hand) As a former IV heroin user myself i always had a hard time beleving that. That being said i can believe his tolerance was really that high especially seeing how much fentanyl ive seen some addicted youtubers go through.
Ok. About the heroin he had in his blood. Police, doctors, they always say that that kind of quantity in a person is impossible. He would drop dead before the end of the fix. False, false, false. I'm an heroine addict for more than 45 years and let me tell you, I've seen people with an habit of way more than a gram per hit, shooting 4 or 5 times per day. Some persons develop a high tolerance to the stuff. 😮❤
Com on. Tom Grant is innocent. Why do you not mention Tom grant's very recent interviews available on youtube with Captain Lowe, a retired Seattle police Captain which was on service when Kurt was killed. Captain Lowe also agrees with Tom that Kurt was murdered and that case should be reopened. This is very important as having a Police Captain of internal affairs (very high ranking in police Force) gives enourmous credibility
@@Crash184 omg really? This is so speculative and polemic. Who are you now to say like this? Do you have some other source of info that nobody has to discredit Captain Lowe? How reliable can your statements be?
Grant is a conman. Ah, "Captain" Lowe, the hack who's tried to use Cobain's suicide to hawk his shitty detective novels that you have to pay through the nose for for his "opinions". It's amazing how all these hacks want is money off of you, isn't it?
Today I learned the definition of 'polemic'. I've never even seen the word before. Honestly, it's the only benefit that I got out of watching this video. I didn't find it very well researched or presented.
I think you have great story telling ability and delivery. Your research however could be better. There are a lot of facts you got wrong and a spread of a lot of misinformation. This is constructive criticism no hate!
I was working on my yard while listening so I may have missed something but I didn’t hear any misinformation. Did she question things? Yes. Nothing wrong with questioning the narrative. Fact is there are a lot of questions left unanswered and several red flags concerning Kurt’s death.
It’s not the questioning it’s LITERALLY the facts are off! So I think that’s what’s being said here. Sooo. And yes she ABSOLUTELY mixed some of the FACTS. It’s definitely not a malicious intention she’s VERY VERY good! I’m also not trying to be hurtful constructive for sure
That was a fun listen and I definitely think he was murdered and Courtney was behind it . But you really should get your facts in order before making this .
That whole Michael deWitt did it is complete bullshit. The guy was a strung out teenage runaway and came into Kurt's life as Courtney's protege but ended up being one of the few people who would call her out on her shit. He was also the one person who agreed with Kurt that he didn't have to be treated like a cripple person. However, witnesses have said DeWitt was almost in worse state than Kurt with drug use and he would pass out for whole days. If someone did hire a killer (which I do not believe anymore) it would've been easy to get in and out. Tom Grant also never pointed out Mark Lanegan was helping him to look for Kurt as well, and Dylan Carlson has always mentioned that Grant was so dumb and slow it's no wonder they didn't find Kurt.
It's Kurt cobain..this was a high profile case where they just treated it like some guy. There was no reason to wait months and years to fingerprint a gun and casings. Its was just open n shut based on everything being put in place before hand, and how much of a mess they looked like in the media
@foofghtr Kristen Pfaff is rarely spoken of, sadly. Kurt REALLY liked Kristen and the crush was apparently mutual. Courtney was said to be wildly envious of Kristen. I would put nothing past her.
I don’t know if many here noticed but Kurt Cobain played guitar left handed as a completely right handed person. Watch him sign autographs he’s right handed.
@@zabe428 No, it is actually not uncommon, or at least it is the way we were taught to throw a baseball or pick up a hockey stick. Then you have ambidextrous people like my wife. She eats lefty, and writes lefty , but she throws a ball righty , shoots right handed (pistol or rifle). It was odd to me at first until I began to notice how many people do likewise.
@@gib59er56 only 10% of people are completely left sided. They tend to have more injuries as it's a right-handed world. I'm like your wife.....it's good and bad. Like I've never been good at either hand "whipping" eggs. It came in handy when I used to work in a wood working shop as I can get that final shot with the nail gun with my left hand as equally as with my right. I can turn to my left side and lead with my left hand when using the table saw when needed or whatever tool in a tight spot. As I've gotten older I've started to become more left sided.....like if I go and kick the soccer ball around. I can really wail it good with my left foot harder and with more accuracy even though it feels awkward. Makes me wonder if I learned to hit a golf ball left handed.....maybe I wouldn't slice it to the right as much.
There are photos of Kurt at age 2 or 3 pretend playing guitar with a tennis racket, holding it left handed. Even at that young age he already had a preferred side for the instrument.
I actually agree that Tom Grant would be a suspect...if we go with the murder hypothesis. It's also likely that the seattle police were involved as well as other players such as the manager, lawyer, and the record label. People say Courtney made all the money but what about David Geffen? It's like the classic Lenin quote, to paraphrase: the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. Tom Grant would then be a plant, a limited hangout disinformation agent controlling the narrative so that the greater conspiracy. Thus Courtney plays the "fall woman". If Kurt Cobain was murdered I doubt Courtney and a random guy with a gun could have gotten away with it.
Cali never picked kurt up??? Cali didn't see kurt until he returned to the house. Infact cali knew perfectly well he'd seen kurt then tried to deny all knowledge and then bizarrely admitted years later that hed seen kurt all along. He definitely knew kurt had died there whether or not hes responsible or indirectly responsible he definitely knows something happened to kurt and tried to cover it up with that phoney letter that tom grant found when he was looking for kurt with dylan Carlson. Have you actually done any research and if you have where are you getting it from? And as far as kurt being visible from the second floor of the house into the greenhouse so what? Tom and Dylan went in the dead of night where the green house would not have been visible at all and the reason they didn't have key and had to climb through the window is because cali "the nanny" who was the only person besides courtney who was in los Angeles at time who actually had a key. Hence why they entered the window. It's not rocket science.
please. Cali DeWitt saved Kurt's life in the summer of 1993. you making false murder accusations against him is just gross. Kurt took his own life. get over it.
Actually, Tom called Charles Peltier (sp), the Cobain's tech guy, at around 2AM in order to turn off the home security system so they could enter without setting off the alarm.
@@aisle_of_view So why did they climb through the window the first night? Maybe the called to have the security system turned off the following evening? Because if it was the case for both nights then why did he climb through the window?
Cali DeWitt didn’t have pick Kurt up and bring him to the house on April 2nd. Part of the story that’s important is Jessica Hopper and Cali not supposedly knowing Kurt was even in the house. Cali even wrote a note and left it on the stairs for Kurt to read. Said something like “I can’t believe you were here and I didn’t know it. Call Courtney, blah blah”
Tom grand where never above the garage, Tom was actually upset as to why when Dylan brought him to the home he never told him there was a room above the garage he felt like it was intentionally felt he was left out of that knowledge
There's a couple things about that note kurt wrote. First it's to buddha, that's his childhood imaginary friend. Second, where's the hole the pen made when he stabbed it with the pen? It disappeared, lol. No, something is wrong with this whole thing. And I thought about Tom coming up with his theories suspicious, too. Hope we find out the truth.
The other weird part is that it's written on the back of an ihop placemat menu, but the paper isn't folded. It doesn't look like it was taken from the restaurant, folded up, pocketed, etc
@@aisle_of_view the one the police released on the placemat did have a hole as well as some additional bits that aren't included in the one that courtney gave Tom to copy on her photo copier. I think the one courtney let tom copy was what she was tracing over,on the ihop placemat.
They did contaminate the scene. According to Tom, once a cop see's a dead body they are to tape it off and not let anyone past the tape. The only person at that point who should cross the tape is the homicide investigator. A cop doesn't have the training to call a scene a suic*de or a homicide. But hey did call it and then the SPD spokesperson, a woman, goes outside in front of the cameras and says that there was a suic*de note. That was it, done and no going back because it became world news at that moment and the cops didn't want to admit how bad they screwed up the whole thing. If they would have said nothing and let the professionals do their job, and bring in the first person of suspect which is always the spouse for interrogations, Courtney would have been sitting in prison for the last 30 years!!
There's plenty of incorrect information here. It wasn't a "powerful shotgun." It was an itty-bitty twenty-gauge. A twenty-gauge is something you'd give a child to shoot squirrels with. It can kill at point-blank range, but it's not good at medium or long range. Hearing her drone on like it was some kind of cannon was annoying. There is no saying how high Kurt Cobain's tolerance to opiates were. A few days of no opiates is not going to lower one's tolerance too much. A fatal dose to someone with a lowered tolerance may not effect someone with a higher tolerance. It also depends on the opioid and its systemic elimination half-life. That the coroner would sign a death certificate in a very clear cause of death is not at all unusual. In light of no clear cause of death, the death certificate might be differed until the toxicology report gets back, but with a gunshot to the head, there's no need to wait. The very first thing the police do when they come to a scene with a body is remove the wallet to ID the victim - this is done even is the name of the decedent is known. Cortney Love admitted to filing the missing person report in Kurt Cobain's mother's name. She was just released from jail after a rather eventful arrest, and said she wanted the police to take the report seriously, according to her. El Duce was not the most reliable of sources. But that he was so open about it, and had no problem saying he was made the offer to kill him on camera, and did so several times, makes me think there might be something to it. Then he himself was hit by a train, and I cannot find two accounts of that with any degree of consistency. He was with the Mentors, a band he founded, and they released like eleven albums. He was on Jerry Springer, and plenty of other talkshows, and was not looking for "fifteen minutes of fame." And you pronounced his name wrong. Just call him El Duce like everybody else to avoid that. No, the case shouldn't be opened again. There's no new, compelling reason to do so. His case was done pretty thoroughly compared to many. If he wasn't famous, no one would've thought twice about it.
So you haven’t heard the official autopsy that just come out .Also that cl knew where kurt was the day before she sent Tom n cali to the house ,Tom grant just put out all the new info .Im sure this is why there is a huge amount of vids being made .also 30 th Ann
@@Crash184 bro whatever I’ve lived that life been around all sorts and I ain’t come across one person who needed a sg to take there soul over to the other side .but I do know a few with v high tolerances who did manage it with a few strips off Valium and well under what they used and managed to check out .one person who done it in same house as me .
I own a 20 gauge and a 12 gauge I'm a born and raised hunter and former Airman and it is not a itty bitty firearm quit making stuff up. I saw the one that he allegedly use there's so way you're using that with the amount of heroin he took. Heroin isn't like pills when it's injected it takes effect immediately he'd be passed out on the floor before he was even able to set it up.
Courney was becoming jealous... well, not necessarily jealous, of Kristen." Yes, jealous, Kristen was more physically attractive, more musically gifted, and more socially valued by her peers than Courney Love. Courney seethed with jealousy. Kurt gave Kristen a copy of the book Perfume which meant a lot to him and she was rumored to be the mystery companion with him at the cottage he holed up in on the final weekend. Pfaff put Coutney Love to shame and Coutney couldn't have that. Mad jealousy. All-consuming jealousy. That's how Coutney's brain operates.
Kurt *married* Courtney. When are you (ppl) going to respect that?!?? Maybe it's all his FAKE FANS holding the whole 'understanding part' (case, investigation) up!!!
@@DE-eVOLVED I hadn't heard about the ticket scenario outside of his own. Sounds interesting. Thanks for replyin' to me. Your interests and presentations are quality. i'm a fan.
@@Crash184 I don't know her personally. I've met her tho and she comes across like a bull in a china shop. After she walked down the street I expected the sidewalk to have cracks. She's physically large for a girl and also invades personal space. She'll get all up close with her elbows far from her waist and be bent forward while talking. Danny Goldberg management was on the same 5th Avenue block as my little bootleg record label and I met Goldberg, Krist Novaselic, and Courtney all on separate occasions in 1997. Secondly, someone's musical talent doesn't necessarily dictate whether they become commercially successful or not. Courtney was not a good songwriter. Other people wrote for her. THAT'S what Courtney was good at - getting other people to do her bidding. Just watch Kat Bjelland speak on Coutney's ability with that. You want a professional opinion of Coutney's musical abilities, again, just watch what Kat Bjelland has to say on those traits (or lack thereof). Kristen was originally from Minneapolis, which was the hotbed for alternative rock at the time if you weren't in L.A. or New York. She was a respected member of her own three piece band, Janitor Joe. And had more talent in her little finger than Courtney Love has in her entire body. Your reply to my post was maybe you equating commercial success with musical writing talent. As is often the case in life - success isn't so much about what you know as it is about WHO you know. The music business was very much a clandestine club back then. Thing was - Kurt and Kristen bonded over it in private. I've read Kurt respected Kristen's writing abilities and held Kristen in high regard. Guys just like girls like Kristen more than they like boisterous loud mouths like Courtney. Courtney got out of bed each morning to chase after fame, not to hone her songwriting skills. Wanna know more about that? Again, ask Kat Bjelland, another talented songwriter who's from Minneapolis. Know who liked Kat? Layne! And when Layne dumped Kat, Kat strapped herself to the front of his tourbus. lol. She didn't take rejection well. hahaha. Anyway, there's a more detailed answer for you about all of it. Thank you and stuff.
Courtney was pissed at Kristen because she was fucking both Eric and Patty, causing massive dramas in the band with this, acting condescendingly towards the rest of the band musically, trying to flirt with basically any man who came by (including Kurt) and causing a ton of shit when they band were meant to be advertising LTT. Courtney wanted her out of the band and she wanted to go. She wasn't even in the same state on the last weekend and she only contributed minimally to the songwriting of LTT. She's just a replacement conspiracy theory for Mia Zapata.
Just a note, Tom Grant states in Soaked in Bleach that he did report to the crime scene immediately upon hearing of Kurt’s death and asked to make a statement. They turned him away. Also, why would Tom be able to see Kurt’s body at 2:00 a.m. ? He was inside a lot room, it was dark outside, and the light wasn’t on in the greenhouse. There’s no plausible way for him to have seen him. Tom Grant says he didn’t even find out the greenhouse existed until after Kurt’s death.
Electrician Gary Smith discovered Cobain's Body in the Greenhouse on Friday Morning April 8,1994 at 8:05 AM PDT. Grant wasn't even anywhere NEAR King County,WA that day. He NEVER arrived in Medrona. He got the News from talking to Seattle PD and the King County Coroner.
And Dillon was hurrying him and if I remember right from soaked in bleach and other documentaries that Dillon also told Tom that the greenhouse was locked and no one goes in there ever like he was trying to keep Tom from looking
Your wrong with a lot of this case Tom grant was there when they found Kurt he turned up with Dillon Carlson and he told the police he had evidence too give and they didn’t wana know
@@buddingvenus81 then why did they bring in homicide detectives, dust the weapon for prints and interview Kurt's friends and family? The police have good reason for not taking a clown like Tom Grant seriously.
Strange that Grant told police at the scene that he had been in the house the night before the body was discovered and they blew him off. Wouldn't they want to talk to him right away?
@@michaelcox1913 because he's a clown who wasn't there, never knew Kurt and never worked as anything more than a traffic ceop. What possible reason would they have for talking to conman Tom Grant?
You forgot to add something that was always sus to me... The corner of Cobain and I believe Kristian used to party with Courtney in his college days. Conflict of interest much?
He was also Courtney's band promoter. His name is Harthshorn. Definitely conflict of interest. He needed to report that so that a different coroner for Kurt and Kristen.
In the documentary "Kurt and Courtney", one of Courtney's former boyfriend is interviewed. I used to live next door to him in Portland and i outright asked him if he thought she was capable of doing that and he didn't hesitate to tell me yes, very much capable! I know this isn't proof of anything, but i thought I'd share with you anyway. Great video, thanks.
To remove Tom Grant entirely as a suspect from this complicated situation is completely erroneous. The idea that Kurt was murdered by a random hitman hired by Courtney, with no outside actors is beyond belief. The likelihood of them not being caught is extremely low. Most likely there would have been people within the Seattle police department involved. In addition everyone else is a suspect including his management, the record label, etc. If we are going to ask cui bono David Geffen would then also be a suspect as his label was making the most money off of Nirvana. Courtney would then function as the fall woman, Tom grant as controlled opposition, and people rarely think of the set of implications this inherently creates. The handwriting story of the lawyer strikes me as another red herring, one that instills the "courtney alone" theory. If Cobain was murdered there was a far larger conspiracy and people just fall into this simplified model. Even the phone conversations, and eveything publicly released should fall under deep scrutiny.
Good job.. Im working on this case too... New episode The Assassination of Kurt Cobain - We trapped and recorded Tom Grant. Audio phone - #Investigation vidéo ua-cam.com/video/_aUz53x6EXo/v-deo.html
How could they see his body through the French doors as you have shown at 29:40 when at 33:28 it shows Kurt's foot next to something solid. Pretty sure his body was to the right of those doors. And also being on the second floor you wouldn't be able to see from the driveway. And even if it was from the house, the officers view would have been obstructed by that wall. I think the officer would have seen it from the rear of the greenhouse, where the electrician had seen it. I find it strange Courtney having an electrician go out to the house. I think she sent them out there to discover his body.
No, why would it be Courtney? As mentioned in this video, Cobain had noticed in late March that their alarm system was broken. Now, Kurt doesn't strike me as someone who would call an electrician, but it might've gone via his management, Danny Goldberg. And he and the company just set on the date of April 8 to do the work
Courtney called Charles Peltier (sp), their home IT tech guy to request the additional lights. The home security system was working, Grant called Peltier at 2AM to have him disable it so he and Dylan could search the house.
Tom Grant did not do this. He is now monetizing and trying to discover new “evidence” to make himself still relevant but in the 90s he was who he said he was
good observation. It would be easier to put the tip of that long rifle in your mouth as well I would think. it all seems staged to me like he was sitting in a circle with someone else there like they were getting high together.
@@stephenkane2464 no its because all the evidence you choose to ignore says he took his own life. how many other loony conspiracy theories do you believe in besides this one?
Most people have no clue just how manipulative, angry and crazy Courtney was back then and from what I understand, she still is. It was common knowledge that before they were dating most people warned Kurt to run far and fast from her. Most of the people in the same circles don't believe Kurt killed himself and we never will.
27:23 Actually it's widely reported that Kurt left the rehab from climbing up a wall. He didn't leave from the front door or the entrance. That was an odd behaviour from his part.
It would have made no difference. Gibby from The Butthole Surfers told Kurt about his friend who escaped by climbing the wall, when there was no need to, since the front doors to the facility were never locked.
I don't believe Grant had anything to do with any kind of foul play and he was at the house on the 8th, he tried to speak to the police but they shrugged him off
I think all of you are delusional and insane, and none of you know anything about this man, his personality, his life, or his family. Mind your business.
I saw the Montage of Hegs, and Courtney says he "found out about her affair" in Rome and attempted suicide, but it's like a well-written suspense drama
So whoever filed the missing person's report knew Cobain would not be around to refute that he had "run away" from Exodus. Meaning he was already dead by then and that person knew it. The extremely unusual level of protection given to the victim's wife by authorities over 30 years can only be explained by their being linked somehow to the crime itself, and given the lack of proper media reporting or correcting of initial reports, coupled with the ongoing government failure to investigate or simply correct the cause of death after it had been dis-proven by toxicology results, one could conclude that Cobain's death was a CIA hit. That is the only organization that would have the kind of power (and will) to arrange all of that.
@@LostMusic24 the fact you actually think the CIA ended the life of Kurt Cobain is a pretty good indication youre a paranoid loony who needs professional help
In a suspicious death or in a murder, The spouse is almost always the first primary suspect. Or person of interest. Nobody saw anything like that Happening. Or even any questioning of anybody?Is that not strange?Why would they not question and do a proper death Investigation?. Oops, another s. P. D. oversight. And uh.... mistake.
@@joleneloveland4602 they did do a proper investigation. you just don't like the results of it. Courtney wasn't even in the same state at the time and had a history of SAVING his life. what possible reason would they have to look at Courtney as a suspect? His death wasn't suspicious we know exactly what happened and he left a note spelling out why.
From what Tom Grant said, Courtney called Rosemary Carroll, Kurt and Courtney's business/music attorney, and told Rosemary to get her the meanest divorce attorney. Rosemary told that to Tom Grant. It was not Kurt who said it. I believe Tom Grant.
@@scooterruns9355 if you believe that then you don’t believe in facts, evidence and autopsy’s. How could someone with an extremely lethal dose of heroin in their system function to pickup a shotgun and pull the trigger. Heroin hits people instantly once injected. Also if you know anything about guns and ballistics the way the shell casing ejected and gun was found doesn’t match a self inflicted shot with a shotgun
@@miket7173 thats complete nonsense. Kurt was a heavy daily user who was absolutely capable of functiong on 225 mg. there is peer reviewed medical reseach showing daily users like Kurt functioning on more than a gram. You don't know what Kurt's final dose was and this silly claim has been debunked repeatedly. The second round jammed causing the weapon to rotate. That is why the shell casing ended up where it did. The autopsy 100 percent supports the fact Kurt took his own life.
Has anyone ever asked who rang the electrician to go to the house on that day ? If were too believe kurt was alone when he died , and the police say he died on the 5th who rang the electrician on the 8th ? Thats always made me curious. Well the whole case makes me curious the length of the shotgun with the extender on it , the amount of heroin in his system the notes calis and the " suicide note " from rome onwards its off
Look up el duche Cobain interview, then look up Allen Wrench Cobain interview. Allen Wench literally says he done it and "the best part, he will never be charged for it"
@@WD_R who the heck said anything about knowing anyone personally? I just meant being familiar with The Mentors history (and obviously el duce) and people like Allen Wrench after hearing his name in relation to this…those guys are just provocateurs who had made their living by lying and upsetting gullible people.
Oh man this interview bothers me so much. It makes me question if Allen killed Duce and Kurt. It’s disgusting whether it’s true or not. I did read somewhere that at that time Allen had a girlfriend who had a wine business with her sister and she gave him a chunk of money because he wanted to start some sort of business of his own. This could be the money he’s flashing in the video.
I have a theory that Courtney had her friend call about that overdosing with her and going to the hospital so that would be her Alibi for when it was time to kill Kurt out of the three people that Courtney supposedly tried to hire to kill Kurt are all dead except for one and they all say that they died from suicide which I believe is bull that she had them taken out so they wouldn't open their mouth because two of them were going around saying that they were offered money to kill kurt 😮😮😮😮😮
Haha. I worked at the record store I was really there and I know the truth . I know who karoush is haha I remember when he made that name up. His name is Sep and it’s called The Rock Shop
Maybe she is a goddess like Kurt thought; Kali or something like that. Poor foolish boy. This was the decade of Lilith Faire and the public shaming of men in all the sitcoms with sort of vibrant and sort of dumb but witty mom and a total idiot of a dad. Public justice will probably never be possible. Yet, read the symbols; the truth is plain as day.
I don’t think it’s a suicide. I think it was a murder, and looks like it was staged Courtney probably hired a hitman, or enforcer to kill her husband, and all of Courtney‘ lackeys acquaintances, staying Kurt house and the gun was wiped and Callie. The nanny got paid probably got paid off by Courtney Love. She hired Tom grand to cover up the tracks. I mean her tracks to make it look like Kurt was missing. Meanwhile, she probably had a hand in his death. She has erratic behavior. She doesn’t look like she is morning loss of Kurt Cobain she probably murdered him because she wanted his money and also her band is not doing so great and she probably killed her bass player Kristen Fath and also she probably killed Eldon Hoke she wanted him to murder her husband, but he thought it was a joke, and now he’s dead and I bet she paid some enforcer to murder her husband. She’s a bloodline to a secret club probably because her father is manager of great full dead I got all this information from the American spy fox UA-cam channel and the guy is a big nirvana fan just like me and the rest of everyone in the world and you know Courtney love. Lied about it. She probably jealous of Kurt. She just wanted his money. She murdered him. She’s probably connected to a bloodline or a secret society because she has her name and Jeffrey Epstein’s black book. Goes to show that she has so much dirt on her. All my information is from the American spy fox channel. You should watch his channel. That’s where we’re gonna get all these information from.
Tom didn't climb through the window, Dylan's did then unlocked the door for Tom. Kurt was murdered as early as April 3rd and no later than the 5th. I don't think this lady has watched Tom's documentary called Soaked in Bleach because if she did she would know the facts via Tom Grant and his documentary. You need to watch it so you can have your facts straight.
that suic_de note is weird. It almost canonizes Courtney, and is very self deprecating of Kurt (if he even wrote it?) It seems like some sh_t she would say.
@@Danathema The only time I saw him speak well of Courtney is maybe when they first met. The only one who canonizes Courtney is Courtney. Do you really think Kurt committed suicide? You have to admit that there is some strange happenings around this death; and Courtney (I've never met her) seems like a selfish, spoiled, fame chasing, vengeful, manipulative gold digger. I don't think it's all an act. Also, even her own father said as much about her. It wouldn't surprise me if Courtney stole whatever musical ideas Kurt had in his notebooks and used them for herself.
@@markb2255 He literally said in January 1994 that he felt his legacy will always be Courtney being his wife as she would always be his wife. He encouraged his fans to tell he they appreciated her. He told various he friends he loved Courtney in the weeks before he died. He said "I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy" in his last words about her. You are creating fan fiction to fit your pre-conceived biases. I don't "think" he committed suicide, it is a fact that he committed suicide because this has been established with indisputable evidence. Her father was an abusive piece of shit who fed his child drugs (he was a dealer for the Grateful Dead) as a toddler, was sexually abusive, hadn't seen her since she was a teenager, was as nice as pie about her after Kurt's suicide and called her a wonderful person and then changed his tune when she refused to give him money and he pivoted to trying to hawk a book about her to cash off of them instead. Everyone associated with the Grateful Dead referred to the guy as a pathological liar who would say anything for a quick buck. Kurt took ideas from Courtney for In Utero, not the other way around but this never gets mentioned. Kurt had severe writers block in 1993 (he needed Grohl's help to make In Utero as he was out of ideas)and took the title of the album from a poem Courtney wrote (she was going to use it for Live Through This but changed her mind). Kurt was a shit lyricist who spent most of his late teens/early twenties writing gibberish about beans, farts and pee-pee. His lyrics were detached fragments of random gibberish he'd written in his journals at different dates. Whenever he tried to use a topic, he generally got it completely wrong as what happened when Polly was taken to be a pro-rape song because he failed at telling the story. Courtney had been writing about rape, feminism, body issues and societal injustice since her teens and actually taught Kurt how to properly structure poems - you can see him attempt to use some of her turns of phrase in In Utero. Courtney had an entire band of her own separate from Kurt, worked on a lot of her songs for LTT before they started dating and each band member contributed democratically to the ones they wrote together that had no input from Kurt. Your "argument" basically comes down to. Kurt - is a man - genius Courtney - is a woman - imposter.
@@Danathema maybe you're right and I'm wrong . I didn't know either one of them personally. You seem pretty passionate about music. Are you a musician? do you live in California(that's where I'm at). Maybe we should get together and make some music. let me know if you want to listen to some of my music. I was obviously being a bit abrasive and maybe I have had the wrong idea about Courtney. Like I said, I don't know her personally. I mean the whole suicide situation seemed weird, but if he killed himself it would suck for Courtney to have to be blamed. She has obviously had a crazy life too, so have I. So you changed my mind, I mean I think Courtney's music is good rock n roll, she can just come off as hard to like sometimes personally, but maybe it's just her trying to navigate tough situation. I guess I was kind of being a d_ck in some of my earlier messages. I apologize
Kurt had more talent, skill & creativity in 1 eyelash, than Courtney has in her entire brain, body & spirit. However, when they got together, her career was going better than his. Not 1991. 1990. She tried to snag him in 1989 but couldnt. The letter reads nothing like he sounded in his daily way of talking, or his letters to his family members. Crazy about the whole alarm situation. Thank you, no one ever talks about that. The lab test can of soda shows goofy drugs were soaking in it. Why taste them when he could just swallow them? Kristen's journal was very active. The pages around his death are ripped out. But what is craziest to me is the that there is no way he could shoot himself, nor move, nor be conscious with the amt of heroin in his body. Courtney's buddy did both Kurt's & Kristen's autopsies. Where the Hell is Kristen's autopsy? No where.
Washington State only releases autopsies to family members. Jason Pfaff says the toxicology results indicated she had H and coke in her system, which would allegedly point to CM, who was known to sell such combinations, according to Charles Cross.
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It’s a suicide note. First off, it’s addressed “To Boddah,” his imaginary friend from childhood. He’s telling his “best friend,” he’s gotten everything he ever dreamed of in life, and none of it takes the pain away. Second, the bottom of the letter, is the more direct, emotional part of the letter. That’s where the writer wants the eyes to go first. Probably to whom they believed would be the one to find him.
How could he write a letter and go into a haze, injecting heroin is instant. The levels he had there's no was he could shoot himself. Love should be surviving a life sentence.
What I find the oddest two things about this whole situation are the following. 1. If you are so worried and afraid your husband and father of your child could potentially harm himself , be missing, or possibly OD on drugs why wouldn’t you immediately leave LA/Bev hills and fly up to Seattle to start looking for him yourself with other friends/family members or the investigator you hired? 2. As a former opiate addict, being high on heroin is the most amazing blissful feeling that I have ever felt in all my time on planet earth. The last thing anyone in this amazing blissful state would ever want to do is get high and feel this incredibly euphoric feeling and then decided I think I will now kill myself. Other than accidental overdoses there has never been one single case in all of history where someone high on opiates decided to kill themselves. The opiate high just feels way too blissful to where you would decide to do that. Most addicts who end up offing themselves do so when they have no means to find or pay for any more drugs and they are going through the horrible pain of withdrawing. This actually should have been my number one speculative reason.
Excuse me for commenting again Do you know the story of how his shoes were somehow thrown in the trash? Normally, I would think that after he was discharged from the hospital and returned home, he threw the shoes away because they were falling apart, but is that still strange?
He received a free pair of Converse One Stars in green suede, straight from Converse a few months before he died. Those were the only sneakers he was wearing in his final days and you can see them in all of the post mortem photos.
28:38 i never realized that so yeah she called several days after he fled the rehab... This was probably around when cali was committing the murder and not telling CL.. Cali didn't tell CL kurt was dead until the 5th which is why CL finally let TG to to Seattle on the 6th to look for him.. because she knew he was dead already... " SAVE THE AMERICAN ICON TOM!!" 31:03 .. no nooo nooo.. no thats not .. ur way off the timeline. They weren't there on the 3rd or 4th.. tom had just met CL in LA on the 1st , 2nd and 3rd. Kurt was already dead basically when Tom actually went to look for him. Because CL wanted to find Kurt's body she didn't actually want to find him alive
Swamp gas? Weather balloon? Shadowy figure on the grassy knoll? It couldn't be his devoted darling loving wife who stood to gain so much.. Inconceivable!!!
After Kurt's death, Courtney had many episodes where she punched people and threatened a previous husband she would hire someone to assault him if he didn't do something she wanted. Makes you womder what Courtney was capable of. She was very manipulative, obvious in her interviews. And disrespectful at his memorial, imo.
Courtney graduated to phucin prince Andrew. Her phone number was in Jeffrey Epsteins book of phone numbers. It's alledged she's doing the European club scene slinging club drugs .
Dylan pulled the trigger the nanny an the blonde heard giy that killed holes bassist where all there when it happened an a girl who is now passed. This was al ordered an payed for by u know who. . There's one person who could possibly spill the beans if pressured.. this is pretty well known
@@scooterruns9355and how would you know? Were you in the room. I've struggled through the same depressive things and H addiction for 25 years and I'm almost 50 and I'm still alive. So thoughts, addiction and feelings are not reality. Walk a mile in an addict, depressive person before you speak like an authority....
Might as well give y'all my lil "Where were you when?" story about Cobain for die-hard fans. On April 8, 1994 me & my punk band were on break from tour & we & a couple other bands decided to head down to Atlanta to see Frank Black and the Ramones. On the way down, between flipping tapes, we heard non-stop Nirvana blocks on the radio. We wondered why, then heard the news. That night the usually quiet Joey Ramone dedicated "Pet Sematary" to Kurt. I wish i remembered what Black said since Pixies were one of Cobain's fave bands, but wasn't one of mine so,... I like what you do, friend. Rock On!!! 🤘🌎❤️
Tom and Dylan couldn’t see the greenhouse bc it was nighttime and raining. When he went back when they found the body, he was shocked to even see the greenhouse at all
It was Showering the Friday Morning Gary Smith found Kurt's body. Seattle is Known for its Frequent on and off Rain Showers. ANYONE from there can tell you that.
@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY weird they aren't uptight about the words "homicide" or "murder", which could still be just as "triggering" potentially. I mean, you never know, lol.. Me personally have lost people to suicide, but don't get triggered by the word alone, but I can't speak for everyone.
She was definitely a groupie. Think about it back In that day 0 social media. so to meat a famous person a band member that is traveling doing music you NEED to be down with the program and to get that person into a relationship you need to be a lucky groupie
Why do all the conspiracy nuts just dismiss the obvious evidence of his sky-high heroin tolerance (allowing him to easily pull a trigger) and his lifelong struggles with mental illness and probable borderline personality disorder-the most suicidal of all personality disorders? There are countless examples of seemingly happy people dying by suicide, and Kurt was vocal about his struggles with happiness. I did the same overlooking when I was a Cobain conspiracy theorist…in middle school. Then I got real, grew up. There’s no need to besmirch his name and his legacy with already-debunked murder theories to make yourselves feel better
Because he was just in detox.. so he was getting off heroin.. his tolerance couldn't be that high. Also 1.25mg/l is a very very high amount like 2-4x lethal even for ppl with large habits
@@dmvconartists1855he was in rehab for a day calm down. His tolerance must've been enormous. There's really no such thing as a lethal dose for hardcore junkies. They only know how much dope he did in a 2-3 day period. You can do alot of dope in 3 days. All these people that never did a drug in their life buying into that dumb theory is hilarious. They don't have the slightest idea how much he did right b4 he killed himself. That fact is always convienently left out.
@@jeffreyval9665 bro have you ever had an enormous heroin habit?! I feel like I know a little more about this than you.. Sure that's all fine and good but I mean his tolerance wasn't that insane.. he was still functioning.. he wasn't like "Layne stayle in the last days" type of using bro.. and what's with the "diazepam" or whatever benzo was in the root beer? You don't find that a little bizarre that there is benzos in his soda can??!
@dmvconartists1855 Yeah, I have one now, unfortunately and that lethal dose conspiracy is complete bs. It was said that KC had a $400 a day habit. That's alot of dope and if you knew anything you would know they have no clue how much he did before he killed himself. They only know what he had in his system and that's at least a 3 day period. That "doctor" has no understanding of how tolerance works or how much he did the day he died. The benzos in his root beer is also just speculation and was never proven. You're just watching way too many programs trying to prove he was murdered. If you watched the opposite, proving it was a suicide they can make it look just as convincing as the murder conspiracies. You can do that with practically anything.
Why thank you Dr. Tom! It's funny reading opinions from armchair professionals who are not privy to all the details of the situation. At best you are just blowing hot air around. No one gives a fig what you consider a conspiracy theory Suppose you are wrong by chance?
2 corrections, she never met kurt at a nightclub in seattle, she met him after getting the heave ho from billy corgan in chicago, and went and saw nirvana that night. Courtney was not a guitar whiz, she couldnt play 2 notes. She was the worst guitar player in history. Listen to her isolated guitar samples. She could sing punk very well. She had dylan and cali kill kurt. There were a few other people there who helped out. Calis girlfriend KNOWS EVERYTHING, and conveniently were gone when the body was found and never interviewed.
Another point is interesting, why R.Caroll and Dany Goldberg divorced ? We know R.Caroll knew that Kurt wanted divorced, take off Courtney from his last will etc.. In my opinion Dany Goldberg know something too...
Ya I always thought those two had something to do with it because they had a lot to gain from Kurt’s death. Also them being replaced by Michael Stipe and Drew Barrymore as godparents is another clue. Another thing I want to point out is the Foo Fighters song called Rosemary. That could possibly be another clue.
It seems that an electrician was called because they needed someone to find the body.
Absolutely
What was the problem with the electricity in the first place? Like, what did they hire him to fix?
@@bobbyweaver7275supposedly because of intruders there were cameras to be installed. Ironically, they weren't being installed until after he was dead. I heard somewhere that it was Courtney that had the electrician there so yes, it was to find the body.
He probably should or died in Rome couple weeks earlier he was done wit everything n everyone I was on heron I kno it makes u not care about life
@@mega5kSeems like a reason
I'm no expert, but I am 52 years old and spent the mid 90's in the Seattle area as a heroin addicted musician. I was very much into Kurt's music and have friends that were very close to the Nirvana scene. There are so many things that don't seem right about the scene, the letter, and the circumstances. We will probably never know 100% for sure what happened, however, I am 100% sure Kurt did NOT commit suic_de.
The 5 ml syringe rings alarm bells
@Crosshatch1212 it's my understanding Kurt was afraid of needles and he would use diabetic needles.
Mark I would like your opinion on his syringes. This is what stands out the most to me. To me those syringes look clean and unused. The caps are still on. With that amount of heroin Kurt used, how is it possible or why would he even want to place the caps back on the syringes? Sid Vicious was a heavy user and was found with the needle still stuck in his arm.
@@dianam9028 you wouldn’t and the other problem is black tar boil off .the amount he wld boil ,cook up would be to thick .for 5 ml ,this I know due to freinds who done it .
@@dianam9028 ever heard of this thing called "tolerance" there Einstein? addicts who OD are rarely found with the needle still stuck in their arm.
A few corrections here:
- Michael Dewitt did not collect Kurt from the airport. This is important, because while Kurt was supposedly missing, Dewitt had seen Kurt in the house on the morning of April 2nd, and phone records show he had been in frequent contact with Courtney throughout that day. However, Courtney did not tell Grant this, which is a huge red flag.
- 29:24 The ability to see Kurt's body from the main house is impossible. Levandowski is describing the view from the decking that accessed the greenhouse/2nd floor. This decking was at the back of the greenhouse, out of view from the main house.
- 30:58 This is incorrect. Tom Grant arrived in Seattle late on April 6th. He met with Dylan Carlson and went to search for Kurt early morning circa 2:15am on April 7th.
38:17 Tom Grant was directed by Courtney Love to strictly not monitor the house. She went ballistic when she discovered one of the local PI's Grant had subcontracted decided to set up a stakeout at the house. Tom and Dylan spent the day of April 7th investigating Kurt's dealer Caitlin Moore, searching local motels, and then made a trip out to Carnation where the Cobain's had a summer cabin. Courtney then instructed them to return to the house that night to search for the gun in a hidden compartment in their wardrobe. She was trying to get Grant to discover the body.
Thnks ,she’s missed out a lot like duck shot .look at the length of it .Its comical nothing gets done about this love it iggy come out and said what he did .he just became to valuable to be allowed to walk away .
@@BradyA1124there is no evidence that Courtney tried to revive him. At this point anything that Courtney says is true the opposite probably happened.
@@BradyA1124 Who's saying Dylan didn't buy the gun? Kurt's guns were confiscated on March 18th, 1994, hence the reason why he purchased a new one. He told Carlson it was for protection, and that is precisely what you would buy for that purpose.. Kurt then left for rehab after he purchased the gun. Courtney revived Kurt in Rome? That's a very mysterious situation, and her account varies. SNL and Roseland were before their relationship started going south.
Dewitt was trying to avoid Love like the plague as Love was trying to cut him off from heroin to stop him enabling Cobain. Love wanted to fire him but Cobain wouldn't have it as Dewitt would often buy drugs for him. Dewitt kept ignoring Love and only told Cobain to get in contact with her as she wanted her to stop harassing him about it. Love referred to Dewitt dismissively as "the help" and told him he was not to leave his bedroom when he was in the house.
Lanegan was with Grant and Carlson when they checked the house.
Grant was not told to not monitor the house, Grant lied and made this up when this whole thing revealed that he was bumbling boob without the first idea what he was doing - he was a used car salesman playing fake "detective". He got another detective involved and the other detective wanted to watch the house but Grant, being an idiot, wanted to go on wild goose chases and the other detective quit in disgust. When Grant finally got his arse in gear and looked at Cobain's house, he was too late and couldn't locate a dead man inside of it. He phoned police in tears thinking he'd been seen as a complete idiot in front of the world then greed kicked in and he started scamming. The police were also called to the house (twice) by Courtney and spoke to the workmen outside, they would have probably intercepted him had they gone inside but they'd already been out on a domestic once before so thought talking to the workmen was enough - they said they hadn't seen Cobain. Courtney actually called the police to the house herself.
Another small correction is that Kurt begged Krist to join his band (or lack thereof then 😅). And before Nirvana there was several different band names such as Bliss, Ted Ed Fred, Pen Cap Chew, etc.
I'm not saying you weren't already aware of this as you are obviously a bright young lady (and beautiful 😍) and very informed of Kurt/Nirvana and I agree with everything you said. I really enjoy watching your content. You have a new fan and subscriber! You do such a great job. I'd love to discuss Kurts death with you. You've brought a fresh and bitter perspective to it all which is mighty impressive I must say! Good job 😁
I think that anybody who grew up and was old enough to be a Nirvana fan at the time and remember it today would know that the vast majority of Nirvana fans quite rightly couldn't stand Courtney Love and not only the fans but a lot of her contemporaries a lot of musicians couldn't stand Courtney Love she was manipulative and spiteful
Dude I hated Nirvana when they busted on the scene with other "grunge" bands. I am not happy about his murder though. Cuntley Glove had him under her thumb and Cobain followed like a lost puppy. She is the epitome of a gold digger. When I hear them on the radio now I will listen to the song. Shit, what else is there to hear? Poptry (country that aint country at all) or hip-hop? The music industry has finally gone down with a fucking whimper. Yeah I know I sound like the old man that yelled at you and me...."Hey you kids, get off my lawn, or I am gonna shoot you"!!
Boy you are sure being polite. lol!
Yes!!
There is no doubt this case needs to be reopened
95% of all crime including "murder" the assailant knew the victim. Or in other words, the asshole who did it. "Random" crime just doesn't happen in the world. The term beind 95% of all crime is called "motive". So just remember that if you regretfully find yourself a victim of crime. Translation: : Yes your brother-in-law you never liked was the one to drink all your beer, then run off with your favorite music cd's and posters. lol
The case will never be reopened and it's very sad. He was in the green house because he was scared he knew someone was after him and the green house was the best place to see everything. That's my take on it. But I do hope and pray that one day the "TRUTH" will come out. And the people's responsible for his death will be punished I just don't understand how the people that did this can live with the guilt and not have talked about it.. the "peoples" responsible for taking his life he knew... gone way too soon...
I guarantee you weren't about when Kurt was about 😂 you know nothing! You don't know him! You are hurting his family!! Anyone that knows Kurt knows he killed himself! He wanted to die! It's simple ! Most men his age die by suicide
I'm one of those fans that cried foul. Tom Grant is an ex cop that became a private investigator. I believe that Courtney was trying to create an alibi through hiring him, but made a mistake by getting someone that didn't buy her double talk. The Kurt and Courtney documentary has several important interviews at that time - more than just Eldon Hoke. (The scared nanny describing the arguments at the house about money and divorce, the squirrely best friend that doesn't seem quite forthright, Courtney's ex that wanted to left the music industy because of controlling Courtney - perhaps the same as Kurt) Soaked in Bleach has a lot of Tom Grant's recordings of Courtney's weird, feeble ...explanations.
Important notes on Kurt after death - repotedly, Kurt's arms weren't long enough to reach the trigger and both his shoes were on. (Couldn't have used his toe) Kurt's heroine kit was put away as well as wiped down. Like the pen in the note, it seems out of place. Also the shotgun shell was ejected on the wrong side.
Dr. Cyril Wecht looked over the case when King County reopened the case a few years ago to say they did an acceptable job. He lists several mistakes in the original coroner's report and suggested that the police investigation had several abnormalities that he charitably described as unusual.
There is even suspicion on the OD in France. It has been suggested that Courtney was the one that dosed Kurt ala John Belushi/Cathy Smith. Her mistake was that she assummed he was gone and called for help too soon and he survived. When asked about it later, Kurt referred to the incident as a mistake.
That is one thing that always confused me. I'd never seen pics of the weapon, but seeing it and knowing how that particular type works *he wouldn't have been able to do as they describe with the shell ending up where it did as a side ejector.... especially not a Left Handed Dominate person*
When was he active or reserve military service? because that missing person report has the Yes box checked.
Even taking into account cadaveric spasms it doesn't work. Maybe a forensics lab will one day make up a mock scene and run through the scenarios.
@@AngB517 Do a search for "kurt cobain, sh0tgun pics" without the zero in place of the "o". The picture that I see repeatedly appears to be a right handed one. Also, as far as I know, he was never in the reserves. From what I've read, Kurt didn't even dress out for gym class in school, choosing to be in trouble with the other outsiders (non-jocks) instead.
So many problems with the investigation were brought up that they decided to review the case and clear themselves of mistakes (You don't believe me, just ask me, I'll tell you) In the process of patting themselves on the back to show what a good job they did, they didn't really clear up the issues, they just created more. Her own father said that if she didn't have him k!lled, at the very least, she drove him to it. The interview with Kurt's 'friend' in the Kurt and Courtney documentary looks to me like he is being very evasive. He seems to not be answering truthfully or maybe he's scared and trying not to say something that might result in him apparently deciding to take a nap on some railroad tracks. The nanny certainly was very scared.
Too many facts fail to be consistent with accepted narrative.
@vinceinhouston4338 all good points except for that idiot Cyril Wecht or whatever his name is. He has no concept of how high KC's tolerance must've been, and he always convienently leaves out he has no idea how much dope he did the day he died. He only knows what he did in a 48-72 hour period. His "lethal amount" theory is complete bs.
He committed suicide the day he said "" I do "" to Courtney love !
Gold digger and junkey.
that's a real nice thing to say
He was trapped by demonic cl she killed herself a rockstar. Thats what she used to say growing up says he Dad - he knows
i agree danielhall✨️
LOL
The shot gun was purchased because Dylon recommended it …. The other fire arms kurt had, had finger prints from other people on them. Like Kourtney………. she took the guns from him more then once or moved them herself. After arguments due to her not wanting them in the house. That’s why the shot gun was purchased. Of course Dylon was in on this. She planned this for a while. Kurt wasn’t planning on buying that shot gun. But since the “ alarm system wasn’t working “ he had to insist…. “ Kurt ya gotta protect yourself man !! “ he got into Kurt’s head. Telling Kurt about intruders… Kurt probably wasn’t really worried about that at all at first. So yes. A clean shot gun with only Kurt’s finger prints on it. JUST AS A PRECAUTION ! Can’t run the risk of Kourtney’s prints some how being on the gun so she would come up even as a possible suspect.
That again is why that shot gun was purchased.
Sounds like pre meditated murder to me
One thing that really stood out was just a few weeks before he died he purchased a Volvo car. And someone asked him why a Volvo when you could get something nicer. Kurt said because its the safest car to drive.
A person with little to no care about self preservation doesnt say they do things because their safe.
But then again Kurt was an unusual thinker..
He didn't care about money or fancy things at all
lol, it’s funny hearing Kurt say, “we weren’t fighting.” Yet, he contradicts himself by saying “I RIPPED IT OFF OF HER.” Man, I wish he would have just left Courtney and focused on himself, music, and his daughter.
I think that's what he may have been trying to do.
@@johnharvey4448 Unlike Courtney's father... he didn't think she was capable of cold-blooded murder.
@@michaelcoletta4547 I didn't know that but I believe you.
@@johnharvey4448 Exactly. Had the divorce gone through, Courtney would have lost a *lot.*
Ye
Jonny Rotten used to call her Courtney Loves Curt’s money
The one sensible thing that came out of his mouth since the 1st PIL album. He's a walking god-complex, too. So sad.- bb
Gotta check the phone records from Courtney
Rotten was right
Rotten was right
I am a mental health professional, and just in my personal opinion, (not a diagnosis) Courtney seems to be a narcissistic sociopath. Kurt was an empath, narcs are drawn to them like flies. Empaths have what narcissists never will. They draw others naturally, without manipulation. Narcs must manipulate because they are incapable of real compassion, humility, love..Narcissists only feel selfishness ,disgust, jealousy, hatred and others run from them eventually. I believe she wanted to control Kurt because of what he could do for her and at the same time was jealous of him because people loved him so easily. I think she actually despised him for it and wanted to destroy him
Perfectly stated. 🖤
Her own Dad said as much
yep she was in it just for the money and gain
I can't agree with you more
Yep. I have experience with narcs. I just about unalived myself too. As soon as I did research on kurt and Courtney I knew right away what he was going through.
In "soaked in Bleach", there is a segment near the end called "the suicide note" where in a recorded phone call with courtney, tom grant asks her if she still had the original suicide note. She tells him yes and that "it was in red pen, and it was on an IHOP..because I stopped at an IHOP"....and then she stops like she catches herself. But she basically admits to writing the suicide note at an IHOP. That what it sounds like to me. If kurt wrote the suicide note, why did she say she stopped at an IHOP?
It absolutely sounds like she is (at the very least) admitting to getting the ihop paper placemat that the note was written on.
@@crysvicious I just saw that recently on youtube, there is an interview he just did where he talks about not catching what she said about the ihop
@@ssidvicious1128 yep. He also said he regrets cutting her off and wishes he would've Just let her keep talking.
14 calls from courtney at rehab. No response. Kurt calls Courtney in Seattle no response.
She had already tried to kill him in Rome a month before
100% .
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No doubts
On 3/3. They say he died 4/5, 45 days after his 27th birthday. That day leaves 270 days in the year. It was exactly 270 days after Courtney's b day. Ritual=27 in gematria. The numerology of it all screams ritual.
Edit* meant to point out 4/5 was 33 days after 3/3
Tom Grant definitely knows more, he even said he has more recordings in his safe of conversations with Courtney and others that he hasn't released yet. Tom started off as a cop with a clean record and a reputation of being a good honest guy. Then he became a detective then he opened his own business as a private investigator. He's been in that profession for 40 years and not one piece of dirt has EVER been dug up about Tom. Believe me people have look and tried to find something so that they could discredit him and the evidence he found. But they found NOTHING on Tom. That's not common to find no bad record when you deal with the public as your occupation. The only thing they found on Tom to use to discredit the fact that because of his evidence that Courtney had Kurt killed, was that he didn't see the greenhouse and find the body. That one thing and that was after Kurt was already dead. That pathetic to say because Tom had no idea the greenhouse was there and didn't see it on a dark stormy night that all of his evidence becomes useless. Tom not seeing the greenhouse has nothing to do with at least 100 pieces of evidence that says Courtney, the spouse, who would benefit the most from Kurt's death did it. We're talking $50K Courtney would get through a divorce as opposed to $400 million, the publishing rights to Nirvanas everything and all of Kurt's houses and possessions. Yeah, being the money and fame hungry psycho she is, that's a hands down 1000% she had Kurt killed.
she couldn’t have been solely responsible there’s more than likely others involved and most importantly the overlords overseeing the record companies finances most certainly had a vested interest in the final outcome..
Kurt was actually a drummer. He played drums quite well actually. He also played some guitar. I read a bio written about him while he was still alive and it was really good. I had a lot in common with him actually. I think he was not arrogant or anything like that. He was a working class guy. And, he was an odd duck, different from his family and felt like he was a odd- one-out, I think. I am glad he became successful, but, I feel that he was with an opportunist. I have always suspected that she's a psychopath. I knew a guy who's girlfriend knew both Kurt and Courtney, and he said that his girlfriend had rich parents and would have big parties in Seattle, and that Courtney was actually kicked out of the house for stealing. He said that Kurt was cool, but Courtney was something else.
He was divorcing her. That’s one of the reasons he had him murdered
I think that was the motive - money
And Courtney’s album was just about to come out. It was gonna flop. It would have looked really bad for Courtney to try and support an album when she would of been divorced
@@stephenkane2464 it wouldn't have flopped it was a great record. Why would anybody care about her maritial status when buying an album? youre clueless.
they weren't even separated let alone divorcing and she would have taken him to the cleaners in the event of a divorce.
@@scooterruns9355 nope. He was going to leave her out of the will and get a divorce. Fuck off courtney bot
The electrician was sent by Courtney because the body had not been found yet. The mess that would have resulted from a body decomposing within the building would have been a big problem. I think he needed to be found asap as far as Courtney was concerned. The instant that he was declare dead, she became a very rich widow. Her Band's name was a perfect nickname for her as well. There is a guy who claims to have discovered that several people were there at the time of his death. He WAS dead before the blast took out a portion of his skull and brains. The amount of Heroin in his blood is proof of his death being a fact and that he could not operate that shotgun because he would have immediately blacked out before the needle would have left his arm. One close friend was involved and had been interviewed by the police. One person has died since that day but this guy says that the cops won't do anything to resolve this case. Maybe enough cash was spent to buy some sort of lack of resolve on their part.
Courtney was the mastermind of the murder of Kurt Cobain. She hired several useful idiots to provide her with an alibi but thoroughly screwed that up by pushing those people to be in certain places at key times. The coincidental appearances of those people at those crucial points in time is, in my opinion, knowledge of the coming death, and also an admission of guilt. Courtney left a backpack/suitcase with an attorney friend for an extended period of time. The attorney looked in the bag to be sure there was nothing illegal in the bag. What she found was several pages of Courtney having tried to copy Kurt's handwriting style. Many of the words which had been in the last paragraph of that so called suicide note were being practiced. That note was Kurt apologizing to his fans for his upcoming announcement of his retirement from Nirvana. Courtney wrote that last paragraph of the letter which supposedly showed that Kurt was suicidal. The receipt for the shotgun purchase was in Kurt's friend's name. That friend was also one of those present at the time of his death. 2+2= murder through actions planned and carried out by more than one person. Conspiracy.
Killers are known to keep souvenirs of their victims.
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Everything stated is fact, Dylan was the key, not sure if he is the one that died, but wouldn't surprise me.
In Foo Fighters Back in Forth Documentary, Pat Smear (who was Nirvana's second guitarist who had been in the band for 7 months) had said that the last time he heard from Kurt Cobain was through a message Kurt had sent him on his phone but Pat wasn't home when that happened. It is unknown when that actually happened, but when Pat said it in the interview he looked quite uncomfortable talking abt it
I’ve always had my eye on Pat. He’s another one of cl’s minions. She only hired him because Kurt would forget songs and Pat was there as like a back-up. It’s also interesting to note that a band member has died in every band Pat’s been in. He’s like a dark cloud.
@@nirvana_veggiegirl It's not interesting just that those musicians died, but how young some of them died, especially Darby and Kurt.
@@bigballz4u Yes Darby was only 22 & Kurt 27. Both of them “committed suicide” by od’ing on heroin. Coincidence?
@@nirvana_veggiegirl Well they both were on H when they died, but Kurt was on 3 times the lethal dose apparently, which makes how he was supposed to have done it impossible.
@@nirvana_veggiegirlTons of musicians going back to the 1920s Big Band Era have overdosed on heroin....seemingly the drug of choice amongst artists...
Courtney calls an electrician from Los Angeles to install flood lights right outside the glass door were Kurt's body lay in their Seattle homes greenhouse.. that tells the entire story
She definitely hired a hitman to kill him with his own money
@@ThomasWake1or Kurt's so called best friends and live in Nanny. Names are getting named very recently and maybe Kurt will finally get some justice
Courtney called her IT/Home Security guy, Charles Pelly (seattle local), who then contracted a local Seattle electrical company to install the lighting.
Treatment centers don’t call police and report when a voluntary patient leaves the program ffs
yeah...they are there voluntarily, not under arrest
This is the point I was trying to make, too - The missing persons report is bogus to say he "fled" and is "missing"
nope , but if your parole officer puts you there they will , lesson learned !
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY He DID flee. He literally jumped a fence. It’s a well documented fact that he escaped from the hospital. He didn’t know he was allowed to leave voluntarily at any time. 🙄
@@danielhall-wl4ql obviously. If you’re court ordered to treatment, you have to stay in treatment. This was jot the case for Kurt.
When you are an addict, you're tolerance can become freakishly high. Especially if you are a rockstar and you can afford to do all you want. If you're a seasoned addict, one day wouldn't be enough to cause you to OD. Not if you're a long-term. And what the coroner may consider fatal in a normal person wouldn't be fatal to someone with a freakishly high tolerance. So the fact that they say he had five times the lethal limit means absolutely nothing.
The most Sensible Comment I’ve read on Here , I know through First Hand Experience, but didn’t want to Comment but after reading what you’ve just said , i thought 👏 Yes no trust words Spoken ☝️
True, but the legendary Cyril Wecht said that while the dose might not have been fatal to Kurt, the point is that he couldn't think of a single case in which someone shot up and then shot themselves. That much dope would presumably have put Kurt flat on his back, unable to roll down his sleeve and put away his stuff, and then shoot himself. To be fair, Patty Schemel has written that she had seen Kurt inject massive quantities of smack and then do things.
@@mickplanter4593 I agree. He was a Junkie and had been on Smack for 12 years. His body was tolerant of it.
You are contradicting world reknowned pathologists? It is in no way possible & has never been done.Kurt wanted out of that horrible marriage & Courtney was not going to be the poor ex. It was a poorly staged murder & easy to solve if anyone had investigated.
Kurt was limited to 300$ a day because thats all the atm would let him withdraw. Thats more than enough to OD. That heibg said the amount he took would be a lot even for a heavy addict. I believe about 3x as much plus the Diazepam (Valium), would have increased the effect and further lowered his respitory rate. All IV mind you, then had the wherewithal to load a shotgun and shoot himself. (Not to mention the poisition the shotgun was found in his hand)
As a former IV heroin user myself i always had a hard time beleving that. That being said i can believe his tolerance was really that high especially seeing how much fentanyl ive seen some addicted youtubers go through.
Ok. About the heroin he had in his blood. Police, doctors, they always say that that kind of quantity in a person is impossible. He would drop dead before the end of the fix. False, false, false. I'm an heroine addict for more than 45 years and let me tell you, I've seen people with an habit of way more than a gram per hit, shooting 4 or 5 times per day. Some persons develop a high tolerance to the stuff. 😮❤
Patty Schemel said she'd seen Kurt completely fill a syringe, pulling the plunger as far back as it could go.
Com on. Tom Grant is innocent. Why do you not mention Tom grant's very recent interviews available on youtube with Captain Lowe, a retired Seattle police Captain which was on service when Kurt was killed. Captain Lowe also agrees with Tom that Kurt was murdered and that case should be reopened. This is very important as having a Police Captain of internal affairs (very high ranking in police Force) gives enourmous credibility
@@Crash184 omg really? This is so speculative and polemic. Who are you now to say like this? Do you have some other source of info that nobody has to discredit Captain Lowe? How reliable can your statements be?
@@Crash184 Thought so. Sorry man but your words are empty, polemic and highly speculative.
Grant is a conman.
Ah, "Captain" Lowe, the hack who's tried to use Cobain's suicide to hawk his shitty detective novels that you have to pay through the nose for for his "opinions".
It's amazing how all these hacks want is money off of you, isn't it?
@@DanathemaIncluding the airhead who made this video. Or didn't you listen to her closing pleas for money?
Today I learned the definition of 'polemic'. I've never even seen the word before.
Honestly, it's the only benefit that I got out of watching this video. I didn't find it very well researched or presented.
Are you sure Kurt isn't in Michigan having lunch with Elvis and Jim Morrison at Burger King?
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So you think they’re all still alive incognito
@@thebigbopper6000no they're at McDonald's. #justiceforkurt
@@donniewynn3277lol
I think you have great story telling ability and delivery. Your research however could be better. There are a lot of facts you got wrong and a spread of a lot of misinformation. This is constructive criticism no hate!
I was working on my yard while listening so I may have missed something but I didn’t hear any misinformation. Did she question things? Yes. Nothing wrong with questioning the narrative. Fact is there are a lot of questions left unanswered and several red flags concerning Kurt’s death.
It’s not the questioning it’s LITERALLY the facts are off! So I think that’s what’s being said here. Sooo. And yes she ABSOLUTELY mixed some of the FACTS. It’s definitely not a malicious intention she’s VERY VERY good! I’m also not trying to be hurtful constructive for sure
@@caupain66 Stop shouting.
@@scottcharney1091That’s fair. I apologize.😊
That was a fun listen and I definitely think he was murdered and Courtney was behind it . But you really should get your facts in order before making this .
That whole Michael deWitt did it is complete bullshit. The guy was a strung out teenage runaway and came into Kurt's life as Courtney's protege but ended up being one of the few people who would call her out on her shit. He was also the one person who agreed with Kurt that he didn't have to be treated like a cripple person. However, witnesses have said DeWitt was almost in worse state than Kurt with drug use and he would pass out for whole days. If someone did hire a killer (which I do not believe anymore) it would've been easy to get in and out. Tom Grant also never pointed out Mark Lanegan was helping him to look for Kurt as well, and Dylan Carlson has always mentioned that Grant was so dumb and slow it's no wonder they didn't find Kurt.
Tom grant WAS at the crime scene. He thought the police would want to talk to him but they had no interest
It's Kurt cobain..this was a high profile case where they just treated it like some guy. There was no reason to wait months and years to fingerprint a gun and casings. Its was just open n shut based on everything being put in place before hand, and how much of a mess they looked like in the media
Love of his life?? LOL He was seeing at least 2 other girls besides her, so she baby trapped him.
They were married. Courtney is the one who was having affairs.
Lol
Look what happened to Kristen Pfaf two months later.
@foofghtr Kristen Pfaff is rarely spoken of, sadly. Kurt REALLY liked Kristen and the crush was apparently mutual. Courtney was said to be wildly envious of Kristen. I would put nothing past her.
I don’t know if many here noticed but Kurt Cobain played guitar left handed as a completely right handed person.
Watch him sign autographs he’s right handed.
😮that’s weird
@@zabe428 No, it is actually not uncommon, or at least it is the way we were taught to throw a baseball or pick up a hockey stick. Then you have ambidextrous people like my wife. She eats lefty, and writes lefty , but she throws a ball righty , shoots right handed (pistol or rifle). It was odd to me at first until I began to notice how many people do likewise.
@@gib59er56 only 10% of people are completely left sided. They tend to have more injuries as it's a right-handed world. I'm like your wife.....it's good and bad. Like I've never been good at either hand "whipping" eggs. It came in handy when I used to work in a wood working shop as I can get that final shot with the nail gun with my left hand as equally as with my right. I can turn to my left side and lead with my left hand when using the table saw when needed or whatever tool in a tight spot. As I've gotten older I've started to become more left sided.....like if I go and kick the soccer ball around. I can really wail it good with my left foot harder and with more accuracy even though it feels awkward. Makes me wonder if I learned to hit a golf ball left handed.....maybe I wouldn't slice it to the right as much.
There are photos of Kurt at age 2 or 3 pretend playing guitar with a tennis racket, holding it left handed. Even at that young age he already had a preferred side for the instrument.
congratulations, you just told us something we already knew 30 years ago.
You are stretching it with accusing Tom Grant.
I actually agree that Tom Grant would be a suspect...if we go with the murder hypothesis. It's also likely that the seattle police were involved as well as other players such as the manager, lawyer, and the record label. People say Courtney made all the money but what about David Geffen? It's like the classic Lenin quote, to paraphrase: the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. Tom Grant would then be a plant, a limited hangout disinformation agent controlling the narrative so that the greater conspiracy. Thus Courtney plays the "fall woman". If Kurt Cobain was murdered I doubt Courtney and a random guy with a gun could have gotten away with it.
It's not really an accusation, but yeah, it was unnecessary.
No its not, he was part of the story from day one. Chosen for the role of gatekeeper
@@robertbarnhart7791
Thank God somebody in this comment section has an IQ.
BASED.
Cali never picked kurt up??? Cali didn't see kurt until he returned to the house. Infact cali knew perfectly well he'd seen kurt then tried to deny all knowledge and then bizarrely admitted years later that hed seen kurt all along. He definitely knew kurt had died there whether or not hes responsible or indirectly responsible he definitely knows something happened to kurt and tried to cover it up with that phoney letter that tom grant found when he was looking for kurt with dylan Carlson. Have you actually done any research and if you have where are you getting it from? And as far as kurt being visible from the second floor of the house into the greenhouse so what? Tom and Dylan went in the dead of night where the green house would not have been visible at all and the reason they didn't have key and had to climb through the window is because cali "the nanny" who was the only person besides courtney who was in los Angeles at time who actually had a key. Hence why they entered the window. It's not rocket science.
please. Cali DeWitt saved Kurt's life in the summer of 1993. you making false murder accusations against him is just gross. Kurt took his own life. get over it.
Actually, Tom called Charles Peltier (sp), the Cobain's tech guy, at around 2AM in order to turn off the home security system so they could enter without setting off the alarm.
@@aisle_of_view So why did they climb through the window the first night? Maybe the called to have the security system turned off the following evening? Because if it was the case for both nights then why did he climb through the window?
@@scooterruns9355 Not very many people believe Kurt took his own life. As Courtney's Full-time Cheerleader, Runny Scoots is leading the way
There are a lot of inaccuracies in this podcast. That’s what leads people to not knowing what to believe because they hear so many version.
Cali DeWitt didn’t have pick Kurt up and bring him to the house on April 2nd. Part of the story that’s important is Jessica Hopper and Cali not supposedly knowing Kurt was even in the house. Cali even wrote a note and left it on the stairs for Kurt to read. Said something like “I can’t believe you were here and I didn’t know it. Call Courtney, blah blah”
Tom grand where never above the garage, Tom was actually upset as to why when Dylan brought him to the home he never told him there was a room above the garage he felt like it was intentionally felt he was left out of that knowledge
Kurt asked Crist to join his band not the other way around.. and Christ resisted for ages. It's all documented in interviews with Kurt and Crist.
*Krist js
@@NoneOfUrBizOk predictive text just saying
@NoneOfUrBizOk thank you for pointing that out. Auto correct.
There's a couple things about that note kurt wrote. First it's to buddha, that's his childhood imaginary friend. Second, where's the hole the pen made when he stabbed it with the pen? It disappeared, lol. No, something is wrong with this whole thing. And I thought about Tom coming up with his theories suspicious, too. Hope we find out the truth.
Another weird thing about the note is the larry khan bit
The other weird part is that it's written on the back of an ihop placemat menu, but the paper isn't folded. It doesn't look like it was taken from the restaurant, folded up, pocketed, etc
@@aisle_of_view the one the police released on the placemat did have a hole as well as some additional bits that aren't included in the one that courtney gave Tom to copy on her photo copier. I think the one courtney let tom copy was what she was tracing over,on the ihop placemat.
They did contaminate the scene. According to Tom, once a cop see's a dead body they are to tape it off and not let anyone past the tape. The only person at that point who should cross the tape is the homicide investigator. A cop doesn't have the training to call a scene a suic*de or a homicide. But hey did call it and then the SPD spokesperson, a woman, goes outside in front of the cameras and says that there was a suic*de note. That was it, done and no going back because it became world news at that moment and the cops didn't want to admit how bad they screwed up the whole thing. If they would have said nothing and let the professionals do their job, and bring in the first person of suspect which is always the spouse for interrogations, Courtney would have been sitting in prison for the last 30 years!!
There's plenty of incorrect information here. It wasn't a "powerful shotgun." It was an itty-bitty twenty-gauge. A twenty-gauge is something you'd give a child to shoot squirrels with. It can kill at point-blank range, but it's not good at medium or long range. Hearing her drone on like it was some kind of cannon was annoying.
There is no saying how high Kurt Cobain's tolerance to opiates were. A few days of no opiates is not going to lower one's tolerance too much. A fatal dose to someone with a lowered tolerance may not effect someone with a higher tolerance. It also depends on the opioid and its systemic elimination half-life. That the coroner would sign a death certificate in a very clear cause of death is not at all unusual. In light of no clear cause of death, the death certificate might be differed until the toxicology report gets back, but with a gunshot to the head, there's no need to wait.
The very first thing the police do when they come to a scene with a body is remove the wallet to ID the victim - this is done even is the name of the decedent is known. Cortney Love admitted to filing the missing person report in Kurt Cobain's mother's name. She was just released from jail after a rather eventful arrest, and said she wanted the police to take the report seriously, according to her.
El Duce was not the most reliable of sources. But that he was so open about it, and had no problem saying he was made the offer to kill him on camera, and did so several times, makes me think there might be something to it. Then he himself was hit by a train, and I cannot find two accounts of that with any degree of consistency. He was with the Mentors, a band he founded, and they released like eleven albums. He was on Jerry Springer, and plenty of other talkshows, and was not looking for "fifteen minutes of fame." And you pronounced his name wrong. Just call him El Duce like everybody else to avoid that.
No, the case shouldn't be opened again. There's no new, compelling reason to do so. His case was done pretty thoroughly compared to many. If he wasn't famous, no one would've thought twice about it.
So you haven’t heard the official autopsy that just come out .Also that cl knew where kurt was the day before she sent Tom n cali to the house ,Tom grant just put out all the new info .Im sure this is why there is a huge amount of vids being made .also 30 th Ann
Get out of here.. you actually got a lot wrong.
@@kylejeppsen3834 who did .
@@Crash184 bro whatever I’ve lived that life been around all sorts and I ain’t come across one person who needed a sg to take there soul over to the other side .but I do know a few with v high tolerances who did manage it with a few strips off Valium and well under what they used and managed to check out .one person who done it in same house as me .
I own a 20 gauge and a 12 gauge I'm a born and raised hunter and former Airman and it is not a itty bitty firearm quit making stuff up. I saw the one that he allegedly use there's so way you're using that with the amount of heroin he took. Heroin isn't like pills when it's injected it takes effect immediately he'd be passed out on the floor before he was even able to set it up.
Courney was becoming jealous... well, not necessarily jealous, of Kristen."
Yes, jealous, Kristen was more physically attractive, more musically gifted, and more socially valued by her peers than Courney Love. Courney seethed with jealousy. Kurt gave Kristen a copy of the book Perfume which meant a lot to him and she was rumored to be the mystery companion with him at the cottage he holed up in on the final weekend. Pfaff put Coutney Love to shame and Coutney couldn't have that. Mad jealousy. All-consuming jealousy. That's how Coutney's brain operates.
was Kristen also the other female on the flight tickets 🤔
Kurt *married* Courtney. When are you (ppl) going to respect that?!?? Maybe it's all his FAKE FANS holding the whole 'understanding part' (case, investigation) up!!!
@@DE-eVOLVED I hadn't heard about the ticket scenario outside of his own. Sounds interesting. Thanks for replyin' to me. Your interests and presentations are quality. i'm a fan.
@@Crash184 I don't know her personally. I've met her tho and she comes across like a bull in a china shop. After she walked down the street I expected the sidewalk to have cracks. She's physically large for a girl and also invades personal space. She'll get all up close with her elbows far from her waist and be bent forward while talking. Danny Goldberg management was on the same 5th Avenue block as my little bootleg record label and I met Goldberg, Krist Novaselic, and Courtney all on separate occasions in 1997.
Secondly, someone's musical talent doesn't necessarily dictate whether they become commercially successful or not. Courtney was not a good songwriter. Other people wrote for her. THAT'S what Courtney was good at - getting other people to do her bidding. Just watch Kat Bjelland speak on Coutney's ability with that. You want a professional opinion of Coutney's musical abilities, again, just watch what Kat Bjelland has to say on those traits (or lack thereof). Kristen was originally from Minneapolis, which was the hotbed for alternative rock at the time if you weren't in L.A. or New York. She was a respected member of her own three piece band, Janitor Joe. And had more talent in her little finger than Courtney Love has in her entire body. Your reply to my post was maybe you equating commercial success with musical writing talent. As is often the case in life - success isn't so much about what you know as it is about WHO you know. The music business was very much a clandestine club back then. Thing was - Kurt and Kristen bonded over it in private. I've read Kurt respected Kristen's writing abilities and held Kristen in high regard. Guys just like girls like Kristen more than they like boisterous loud mouths like Courtney. Courtney got out of bed each morning to chase after fame, not to hone her songwriting skills. Wanna know more about that? Again, ask Kat Bjelland, another talented songwriter who's from Minneapolis. Know who liked Kat? Layne! And when Layne dumped Kat, Kat strapped herself to the front of his tourbus. lol. She didn't take rejection well. hahaha. Anyway, there's a more detailed answer for you about all of it. Thank you and stuff.
Courtney was pissed at Kristen because she was fucking both Eric and Patty, causing massive dramas in the band with this, acting condescendingly towards the rest of the band musically, trying to flirt with basically any man who came by (including Kurt) and causing a ton of shit when they band were meant to be advertising LTT. Courtney wanted her out of the band and she wanted to go.
She wasn't even in the same state on the last weekend and she only contributed minimally to the songwriting of LTT. She's just a replacement conspiracy theory for Mia Zapata.
Just a note, Tom Grant states in Soaked in Bleach that he did report to the crime scene immediately upon hearing of Kurt’s death and asked to make a statement. They turned him away. Also, why would Tom be able to see Kurt’s body at 2:00 a.m. ? He was inside a lot room, it was dark outside, and the light wasn’t on in the greenhouse. There’s no plausible way for him to have seen him. Tom Grant says he didn’t even find out the greenhouse existed until after Kurt’s death.
Electrician Gary Smith discovered Cobain's Body in the Greenhouse on Friday Morning April 8,1994 at 8:05 AM PDT.
Grant wasn't even anywhere NEAR King County,WA that day. He NEVER arrived in Medrona. He got the News from talking to Seattle PD and the King County Coroner.
And Dillon was hurrying him and if I remember right from soaked in bleach and other documentaries that Dillon also told Tom that the greenhouse was locked and no one goes in there ever like he was trying to keep Tom from looking
@@reginaswain114 Grant is a FRAUD and a LIAR.
Actually, the first group they formed together, was fecal matter before they were nirvana. 🤷🏻♂️
Fecal matter was Kurt, Crover, and a 4 track tape machine. Krist heard the fm tape and eventually decided to partner up with Kurt.
@@aisle_of_view And Greg Hokanson, even though he didn't play on the recording
The band had other band names before finally deciding on Nirvana, I always liked Pen Cap Chew! 🤘😵👽👽👽
Ted ed Fred is kinda fun too
Oh and bliss that's a cool one
Skid Row, Fecal Matter
@@dmvconartists1855 Bliss sounds like a girl band.
@@folksurvival I dunno it reminds me mostly of the band Birdbrain and they had that album "bliss" .. but I guess you are right
Your wrong with a lot of this case Tom grant was there when they found Kurt he turned up with Dillon Carlson and he told the police he had evidence too give and they didn’t wana know
Yes he was. Thanks for your comment. I was going to add same. Important detail to have correct.
Pretty much proves the SPD wasn’t interested in investigating his death AT ALL.
@@buddingvenus81 then why did they bring in homicide detectives, dust the weapon for prints and interview Kurt's friends and family? The police have good reason for not taking a clown like Tom Grant seriously.
Strange that Grant told police at the scene that he had been in the house the night before the body was discovered and they blew him off. Wouldn't they want to talk to him right away?
@@michaelcox1913 because he's a clown who wasn't there, never knew Kurt and never worked as anything more than a traffic ceop. What possible reason would they have for talking to conman Tom Grant?
You forgot to add something that was always sus to me... The corner of Cobain and I believe Kristian used to party with Courtney in his college days. Conflict of interest much?
Yup!!! And he booked nirvana early on
Do you mean the coroner?
@@the.deadpoet medical examiner - autopsy writer
Nicholas Hartshorne the medical examiner was friends with cl years prior and he died as well. Too many coincidences.
He was also Courtney's band promoter. His name is Harthshorn. Definitely conflict of interest. He needed to report that so that a different coroner for Kurt and Kristen.
In the documentary "Kurt and Courtney", one of Courtney's former boyfriend is interviewed. I used to live next door to him in Portland and i outright asked him if he thought she was capable of doing that and he didn't hesitate to tell me yes, very much capable! I know this isn't proof of anything, but i thought I'd share with you anyway. Great video, thanks.
To remove Tom Grant entirely as a suspect from this complicated situation is completely erroneous. The idea that Kurt was murdered by a random hitman hired by Courtney, with no outside actors is beyond belief. The likelihood of them not being caught is extremely low. Most likely there would have been people within the Seattle police department involved. In addition everyone else is a suspect including his management, the record label, etc. If we are going to ask cui bono David Geffen would then also be a suspect as his label was making the most money off of Nirvana. Courtney would then function as the fall woman, Tom grant as controlled opposition, and people rarely think of the set of implications this inherently creates. The handwriting story of the lawyer strikes me as another red herring, one that instills the "courtney alone" theory. If Cobain was murdered there was a far larger conspiracy and people just fall into this simplified model. Even the phone conversations, and eveything publicly released should fall under deep scrutiny.
Totally agree. I think the SPD may be involved.
Good job.. Im working on this case too... New episode The Assassination of Kurt Cobain - We trapped and recorded Tom Grant. Audio phone - #Investigation
vidéo ua-cam.com/video/_aUz53x6EXo/v-deo.html
How could they see his body through the French doors as you have shown at 29:40 when at 33:28 it shows Kurt's foot next to something solid. Pretty sure his body was to the right of those doors. And also being on the second floor you wouldn't be able to see from the driveway.
And even if it was from the house, the officers view would have been obstructed by that wall. I think the officer would have seen it from
the rear of the greenhouse, where the electrician had seen it. I find it strange Courtney having an electrician go out to the house. I think she sent them out there to discover his body.
For sure !!! It was days that Kurt was laying there and she needed someone to ‘discover’ Kurt
No, why would it be Courtney? As mentioned in this video, Cobain had noticed in late March that their alarm system was broken. Now, Kurt doesn't strike me as someone who would call an electrician, but it might've gone via his management, Danny Goldberg. And he and the company just set on the date of April 8 to do the work
Most of you think a lot of ridiculous things, that doesn’t make any of them true.
@@raymondhartmeijer9300 finally, someone with some sense.
Courtney called Charles Peltier (sp), their home IT tech guy to request the additional lights. The home security system was working, Grant called Peltier at 2AM to have him disable it so he and Dylan could search the house.
Tom Grant did not do this. He is now monetizing and trying to discover new “evidence” to make himself still relevant but in the 90s he was who he said he was
Another researcher seemed to believe he was dead a couple days before he was shot .
And why was Kurt laying in the middle of the floor, you'd think he'd be leaning up against the wall.
good observation. It would be easier to put the tip of that long rifle in your mouth as well I would think. it all seems staged to me like he was sitting in a circle with someone else there like they were getting high together.
cause he was murdered
@@stephenkane2464 no he wasn't.
@@scooterruns9355 ok Kurt must have personally told you this stuff ? Wow thx for letting me know
@@stephenkane2464 no its because all the evidence you choose to ignore says he took his own life. how many other loony conspiracy theories do you believe in besides this one?
Kurt should have stayed with his old girlfriend Tracy
Or Mary Lou Lord, who was super cool and sweet
Most people have no clue just how manipulative, angry and crazy Courtney was back then and from what I understand, she still is. It was common knowledge that before they were dating most people warned Kurt to run far and fast from her. Most of the people in the same circles don't believe Kurt killed himself and we never will.
She did it and then she did it with Kristen Pfaff
27:23 Actually it's widely reported that Kurt left the rehab from climbing up a wall. He didn't leave from the front door or the entrance. That was an odd behaviour from his part.
It would have made no difference. Gibby from The Butthole Surfers told Kurt about his friend who escaped by climbing the wall, when there was no need to, since the front doors to the facility were never locked.
@ 22:34 talking to Grant she slips and refers to Kurt in the past tense by saying, "Kurt was...."
I don't believe Grant had anything to do with any kind of foul play and he was at the house on the 8th, he tried to speak to the police but they shrugged him off
Kurt was already passed when CL called Grant….April 2 was his last day. Rome was the first attempt….many are involved.
Rome incident was supposed to be Kurt telling Courtney he’s leaving the band and her. She almost killed him
I think he died on Monday morning the 4th in the wee hours of the morning like between 1-5am
@@Jordan-co2re That could be, I still feel it was April 2/3 early morning hours. People posing as friends…playing both sides.
Kurt was last seen alive publicly at Midnight on April 4th in a Bar called Lindas Tavern. It was one of his favourites. Look it up.
I think all of you are delusional and insane, and none of you know anything about this man, his personality, his life, or his family. Mind your business.
I saw the Montage of Hegs, and Courtney says he "found out about her affair" in Rome and attempted suicide, but it's like a well-written suspense drama
So whoever filed the missing person's report knew Cobain would not be around to refute that he had "run away" from Exodus. Meaning he was already dead by then and that person knew it. The extremely unusual level of protection given to the victim's wife by authorities over 30 years can only be explained by their being linked somehow to the crime itself, and given the lack of proper media reporting or correcting of initial reports, coupled with the ongoing government failure to investigate or simply correct the cause of death after it had been dis-proven by toxicology results, one could conclude that Cobain's death was a CIA hit. That is the only organization that would have the kind of power (and will) to arrange all of that.
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@@scooterruns9355 Perhaps agent scooter could explain where I was mistaken or how such a comment could not be accurate?
@@LostMusic24 the fact you actually think the CIA ended the life of Kurt Cobain is a pretty good indication youre a paranoid loony who needs professional help
In a suspicious death or in a murder, The spouse is almost always the first primary suspect. Or person of interest.
Nobody saw anything like that Happening. Or even any questioning of anybody?Is that not strange?Why would they not question and do a proper death Investigation?. Oops, another s. P. D. oversight.
And uh.... mistake.
@@joleneloveland4602 they did do a proper investigation. you just don't like the results of it. Courtney wasn't even in the same state at the time and had a history of SAVING his life. what possible reason would they have to look at Courtney as a suspect? His death wasn't suspicious we know exactly what happened and he left a note spelling out why.
From what Tom Grant said, Courtney called Rosemary Carroll, Kurt and Courtney's business/music attorney, and told Rosemary to get her the meanest divorce attorney. Rosemary told that to Tom Grant. It was not Kurt who said it. I believe Tom Grant.
The case needs to be reopened. It’s been too long and Kurt deserves to have Justice brought to whoever took his life.
Kurt took his own life. deal with it.
@@scooterruns9355 if you believe that then you don’t believe in facts, evidence and autopsy’s. How could someone with an extremely lethal dose of heroin in their system function to pickup a shotgun and pull the trigger. Heroin hits people instantly once injected. Also if you know anything about guns and ballistics the way the shell casing ejected and gun was found doesn’t match a self inflicted shot with a shotgun
@@miket7173 thats complete nonsense. Kurt was a heavy daily user who was absolutely capable of functiong on 225 mg. there is peer reviewed medical reseach showing daily users like Kurt functioning on more than a gram. You don't know what Kurt's final dose was and this silly claim has been debunked repeatedly. The second round jammed causing the weapon to rotate. That is why the shell casing ended up where it did. The autopsy 100 percent supports the fact Kurt took his own life.
@@scooterruns9355 Sorry Scoots, your wrong here. and you're wrong there. In fact, you are wrong everywhere
@@scooterruns9355 What about all the other evidence?
Has anyone ever asked who rang the electrician to go to the house on that day ? If were too believe kurt was alone when he died , and the police say he died on the 5th who rang the electrician on the 8th ? Thats always made me curious. Well the whole case makes me curious the length of the shotgun with the extender on it , the amount of heroin in his system the notes calis and the " suicide note " from rome onwards its off
cL rang the electrician
Look up el duche Cobain interview, then look up Allen Wrench Cobain interview. Allen Wench literally says he done it and "the best part, he will never be charged for it"
If you’d believe those knuckleheads, I don’t think you know much about them beyond this
hey Einstein you do realize El Duce's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids right?
@@opaljk4835 oh I'm sorry did you know Kurt and Courtney personally? Smack heads will do a lot for money
@@WD_R who the heck said anything about knowing anyone personally? I just meant being familiar with The Mentors history (and obviously el duce) and people like Allen Wrench after hearing his name in relation to this…those guys are just provocateurs who had made their living by lying and upsetting gullible people.
Oh man this interview bothers me so much. It makes me question if Allen killed Duce and Kurt. It’s disgusting whether it’s true or not. I did read somewhere that at that time Allen had a girlfriend who had a wine business with her sister and she gave him a chunk of money because he wanted to start some sort of business of his own. This could be the money he’s flashing in the video.
I have a theory that Courtney had her friend call about that overdosing with her and going to the hospital so that would be her Alibi for when it was time to kill Kurt out of the three people that Courtney supposedly tried to hire to kill Kurt are all dead except for one and they all say that they died from suicide which I believe is bull that she had them taken out so they wouldn't open their mouth because two of them were going around saying that they were offered money to kill kurt 😮😮😮😮😮
Haha. I worked at the record store I was really there and I know the truth . I know who karoush is haha I remember when he made that name up. His name is Sep and it’s called The Rock Shop
What’s the truth
What's the story then?
Vampire girl, April Fool's Day? She's an artist, non? The 90's was really demonic, like the 60's turned into a zombie.
Maybe she is a goddess like Kurt thought; Kali or something like that. Poor foolish boy. This was the decade of Lilith Faire and the public shaming of men in all the sitcoms with sort of vibrant and sort of dumb but witty mom and a total idiot of a dad. Public justice will probably never be possible. Yet, read the symbols; the truth is plain as day.
I don’t think it’s a suicide. I think it was a murder, and looks like it was staged Courtney probably hired a hitman, or enforcer to kill her husband, and all of Courtney‘ lackeys acquaintances, staying Kurt house and the gun was wiped and Callie. The nanny got paid probably got paid off by Courtney Love. She hired Tom grand to cover up the tracks. I mean her tracks to make it look like Kurt was missing. Meanwhile, she probably had a hand in his death. She has erratic behavior. She doesn’t look like she is morning loss of Kurt Cobain she probably murdered him because she wanted his money and also her band is not doing so great and she probably killed her bass player Kristen Fath and also she probably killed Eldon Hoke she wanted him to murder her husband, but he thought it was a joke, and now he’s dead and I bet she paid some enforcer to murder her husband. She’s a bloodline to a secret club probably because her father is manager of great full dead I got all this information from the American spy fox UA-cam channel and the guy is a big nirvana fan just like me and the rest of everyone in the world and you know Courtney love. Lied about it. She probably jealous of Kurt. She just wanted his money. She murdered him. She’s probably connected to a bloodline or a secret society because she has her name and Jeffrey Epstein’s black book. Goes to show that she has so much dirt on her. All my information is from the American spy fox channel. You should watch his channel. That’s where we’re gonna get all these information from.
the fact youre getting your information from a grifting clown like ASF is more than enough reason not to believe a word of anything you have to say.
Tom didn't climb through the window, Dylan's did then unlocked the door for Tom. Kurt was murdered as early as April 3rd and no later than the 5th. I don't think this lady has watched Tom's documentary called Soaked in Bleach because if she did she would know the facts via Tom Grant and his documentary. You need to watch it so you can have your facts straight.
that suic_de note is weird. It almost canonizes Courtney, and is very self deprecating of Kurt (if he even wrote it?) It seems like some sh_t she would say.
Kurt always canonized Courtney if you listened to a word he actually said in his life rather than just making up fan fiction about his feelings.
@@Danathema The only time I saw him speak well of Courtney is maybe when they first met. The only one who canonizes Courtney is Courtney. Do you really think Kurt committed suicide? You have to admit that there is some strange happenings around this death; and Courtney (I've never met her) seems like a selfish, spoiled, fame chasing, vengeful, manipulative gold digger. I don't think it's all an act. Also, even her own father said as much about her. It wouldn't surprise me if Courtney stole whatever musical ideas Kurt had in his notebooks and used them for herself.
@@markb2255 He literally said in January 1994 that he felt his legacy will always be Courtney being his wife as she would always be his wife. He encouraged his fans to tell he they appreciated her. He told various he friends he loved Courtney in the weeks before he died. He said "I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy" in his last words about her. You are creating fan fiction to fit your pre-conceived biases.
I don't "think" he committed suicide, it is a fact that he committed suicide because this has been established with indisputable evidence.
Her father was an abusive piece of shit who fed his child drugs (he was a dealer for the Grateful Dead) as a toddler, was sexually abusive, hadn't seen her since she was a teenager, was as nice as pie about her after Kurt's suicide and called her a wonderful person and then changed his tune when she refused to give him money and he pivoted to trying to hawk a book about her to cash off of them instead. Everyone associated with the Grateful Dead referred to the guy as a pathological liar who would say anything for a quick buck.
Kurt took ideas from Courtney for In Utero, not the other way around but this never gets mentioned. Kurt had severe writers block in 1993 (he needed Grohl's help to make In Utero as he was out of ideas)and took the title of the album from a poem Courtney wrote (she was going to use it for Live Through This but changed her mind). Kurt was a shit lyricist who spent most of his late teens/early twenties writing gibberish about beans, farts and pee-pee. His lyrics were detached fragments of random gibberish he'd written in his journals at different dates. Whenever he tried to use a topic, he generally got it completely wrong as what happened when Polly was taken to be a pro-rape song because he failed at telling the story. Courtney had been writing about rape, feminism, body issues and societal injustice since her teens and actually taught Kurt how to properly structure poems - you can see him attempt to use some of her turns of phrase in In Utero.
Courtney had an entire band of her own separate from Kurt, worked on a lot of her songs for LTT before they started dating and each band member contributed democratically to the ones they wrote together that had no input from Kurt.
Your "argument" basically comes down to.
Kurt - is a man - genius
Courtney - is a woman - imposter.
@@Danathema maybe you're right and I'm wrong . I didn't know either one of them personally. You seem pretty passionate about music. Are you a musician? do you live in California(that's where I'm at). Maybe we should get together and make some music. let me know if you want to listen to some of my music. I was obviously being a bit abrasive and maybe I have had the wrong idea about Courtney. Like I said, I don't know her personally. I mean the whole suicide situation seemed weird, but if he killed himself it would suck for Courtney to have to be blamed. She has obviously had a crazy life too, so have I. So you changed my mind, I mean I think Courtney's music is good rock n roll, she can just come off as hard to like sometimes personally, but maybe it's just her trying to navigate tough situation. I guess I was kind of being a d_ck in some of my earlier messages. I apologize
@@markb2255 No worries.
I am not a musician, no, but Courtney has absolutely gotten a really rotten deal with the conspiracy theories.
Kurt had more talent, skill & creativity in 1 eyelash, than Courtney has in her entire brain, body & spirit. However, when they got together, her career was going better than his. Not 1991. 1990. She tried to snag him in 1989 but couldnt.
The letter reads nothing like he sounded in his daily way of talking, or his letters to his family members.
Crazy about the whole alarm situation. Thank you, no one ever talks about that.
The lab test can of soda shows goofy drugs were soaking in it. Why taste them when he could just swallow them?
Kristen's journal was very active. The pages around his death are ripped out.
But what is craziest to me is the that there is no way he could shoot himself, nor move, nor be conscious with the amt of heroin in his body.
Courtney's buddy did both Kurt's & Kristen's autopsies.
Where the Hell is Kristen's autopsy? No where.
Washington State only releases autopsies to family members. Jason Pfaff says the toxicology results indicated she had H and coke in her system, which would allegedly point to CM, who was known to sell such combinations, according to Charles Cross.
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It’s a suicide note. First off, it’s addressed “To Boddah,” his imaginary friend from childhood. He’s telling his “best friend,” he’s gotten everything he ever dreamed of in life, and none of it takes the pain away. Second, the bottom of the letter, is the more direct, emotional part of the letter. That’s where the writer wants the eyes to go first. Probably to whom they believed would be the one to find him.
It reads more like a resignation letter.
@@scottcharney1091 “to whom it may concern….”
How could he write a letter and go into a haze, injecting heroin is instant. The levels he had there's no was he could shoot himself. Love should be surviving a life sentence.
Cali did not pick kurt up from the airport a limo driver named Lisa did I believe from Seattle limousine co.
What I find the oddest two things about this whole situation are the following.
1. If you are so worried and afraid your husband and father of your child could potentially harm himself , be missing, or possibly OD on drugs why wouldn’t you immediately leave LA/Bev hills and fly up to Seattle to start looking for him yourself with other friends/family members or the investigator you hired?
2. As a former opiate addict, being high on heroin is the most amazing blissful feeling that I have ever felt in all my time on planet earth. The last thing anyone in this amazing blissful state would ever want to do is get high and feel this incredibly euphoric feeling and then decided I think I will now kill myself. Other than accidental overdoses there has never been one single case in all of history where someone high on opiates decided to kill themselves. The opiate high just feels way too blissful to where you would decide to do that. Most addicts who end up offing themselves do so when they have no means to find or pay for any more drugs and they are going through the horrible pain of withdrawing. This actually should have been my number one speculative reason.
Wrong she’s definitely not a talented guitarist at ll in fact she can’t play at All
That's one source (not the biggest) of her raging jealousy directed at Kristen Pfaff.
Right lol 😂
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Do you know the story of how his shoes were somehow thrown in the trash?
Normally, I would think that after he was discharged from the hospital and returned home, he threw the shoes away because they were falling apart, but is that still strange?
He received a free pair of Converse One Stars in green suede, straight from Converse a few months before he died. Those were the only sneakers he was wearing in his final days and you can see them in all of the post mortem photos.
Private investigators dont go snooping though the clients house looking for shotguns
Didnt Dylan divulge to Tom he bought Kurt a shotgun?
28:38 i never realized that so yeah she called several days after he fled the rehab... This was probably around when cali was committing the murder and not telling CL.. Cali didn't tell CL kurt was dead until the 5th which is why CL finally let TG to to Seattle on the 6th to look for him.. because she knew he was dead already... " SAVE THE AMERICAN ICON TOM!!"
31:03 .. no nooo nooo.. no thats not .. ur way off the timeline. They weren't there on the 3rd or 4th.. tom had just met CL in LA on the 1st , 2nd and 3rd. Kurt was already dead basically when Tom actually went to look for him. Because CL wanted to find Kurt's body she didn't actually want to find him alive
Swamp gas? Weather balloon? Shadowy figure on the grassy knoll?
It couldn't be his devoted darling loving wife who stood to gain so much.. Inconceivable!!!
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No but it wouldn't be *black* hand(s) because...SMPTE
After Kurt's death, Courtney had many episodes where she punched people and threatened a previous husband she would hire someone to assault him if he didn't do something she wanted. Makes you womder what Courtney was capable of. She was very manipulative, obvious in her interviews. And disrespectful at his memorial, imo.
I knew Cali. Shady dude.
Just how shady
youre a really bad liar
Do you kno Rene Navarrette? Or Bonnie Dillard??
No who's that@@dmvconartists1855
Courtney graduated to phucin prince Andrew. Her phone number was in Jeffrey Epsteins book of phone numbers. It's alledged she's doing the European club scene slinging club drugs .
Dylan pulled the trigger the nanny an the blonde heard giy that killed holes bassist where all there when it happened an a girl who is now passed. This was al ordered an payed for by u know who. . There's one person who could possibly spill the beans if pressured.. this is pretty well known
Good break down of events but the years in the description i think are wrong . March 93 should be 94
7:08 ~you described C.L. as a "very talented guitarist" #Goodbye
He was murdered, period, case closed.
Full stop 🛑
case closed eh? then surely you can cite some real evidence proving it. lets hear it.
Exactly ! Look at the video " Kurt Cobain died for his royalties " , a documentary is about to come .
@@scooterruns9355 Even Iggy Pop said it ... Come on .
@@elborbah3045 a documentary on UA-cam is not evidence there genius. how would Iggy Pop know?
@@scooterruns9355and how would you know? Were you in the room. I've struggled through the same depressive things and H addiction for 25 years and I'm almost 50 and I'm still alive. So thoughts, addiction and feelings are not reality. Walk a mile in an addict, depressive person before you speak like an authority....
As a ex junkie I think the writing would have just gotten unreadable then stopped if it was the drugs that's someone else. Imo.
Might as well give y'all my lil "Where were you when?" story about Cobain for die-hard fans. On April 8, 1994 me & my punk band were on break from tour & we & a couple other bands decided to head down to Atlanta to see Frank Black and the Ramones. On the way down, between flipping tapes, we heard non-stop Nirvana blocks on the radio. We wondered why, then heard the news. That night the usually quiet Joey Ramone dedicated "Pet Sematary" to Kurt. I wish i remembered what Black said since Pixies were one of Cobain's fave bands, but wasn't one of mine so,...
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Tom and Dylan couldn’t see the greenhouse bc it was nighttime and raining. When he went back when they found the body, he was shocked to even see the greenhouse at all
It was Showering the Friday Morning Gary Smith found Kurt's body. Seattle is Known for its Frequent on and off Rain Showers. ANYONE from there can tell you that.
Why are you editing out words like suicide, drugs, heroin, etc. It's annoying. Otherwise good.
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@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY weird they aren't uptight about the words "homicide" or "murder", which could still be just as "triggering" potentially. I mean, you never know, lol..
Me personally have lost people to suicide, but don't get triggered by the word alone, but I can't speak for everyone.
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She was definitely a groupie. Think about it back In that day 0 social media. so to meat a famous person a band member that is traveling doing music you NEED to be down with the program and to get that person into a relationship you need to be a lucky groupie
You missed the purchases of the plane tickets! That's quite a mystery!
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I think you just sent me down a sequel spiral
Eldon? You mean el Duce? From the shock-rock band the Mentors? Yeah, those guys wouldn’t make up a story for publicity at all…
Why do all the conspiracy nuts just dismiss the obvious evidence of his sky-high heroin tolerance (allowing him to easily pull a trigger) and his lifelong struggles with mental illness and probable borderline personality disorder-the most suicidal of all personality disorders? There are countless examples of seemingly happy people dying by suicide, and Kurt was vocal about his struggles with happiness. I did the same overlooking when I was a Cobain conspiracy theorist…in middle school. Then I got real, grew up. There’s no need to besmirch his name and his legacy with already-debunked murder theories to make yourselves feel better
Because he was just in detox.. so he was getting off heroin.. his tolerance couldn't be that high. Also 1.25mg/l is a very very high amount like 2-4x lethal even for ppl with large habits
@@dmvconartists1855he was in rehab for a day calm down. His tolerance must've been enormous. There's really no such thing as a lethal dose for hardcore junkies. They only know how much dope he did in a 2-3 day period. You can do alot of dope in 3 days. All these people that never did a drug in their life buying into that dumb theory is hilarious. They don't have the slightest idea how much he did right b4 he killed himself. That fact is always convienently left out.
@@jeffreyval9665 bro have you ever had an enormous heroin habit?! I feel like I know a little more about this than you..
Sure that's all fine and good but I mean his tolerance wasn't that insane.. he was still functioning.. he wasn't like "Layne stayle in the last days" type of using bro.. and what's with the "diazepam" or whatever benzo was in the root beer? You don't find that a little bizarre that there is benzos in his soda can??!
@dmvconartists1855 Yeah, I have one now, unfortunately and that lethal dose conspiracy is complete bs. It was said that KC had a $400 a day habit. That's alot of dope
and if you knew anything you would know they have no clue how much he did before he killed himself. They only know what he had in his system and that's at least a 3 day period. That "doctor" has no understanding of how tolerance works or how much he did the day he died. The benzos in his root beer is also just speculation and was never proven. You're just watching way too many programs trying to prove he was murdered. If you watched the opposite, proving it was a suicide they can make it look just as convincing as the murder conspiracies. You can do that with practically anything.
Why thank you Dr. Tom! It's funny reading opinions from armchair professionals who are not privy to all the details of the situation. At best you are just blowing hot air around. No one gives a fig what you consider a conspiracy theory
Suppose you are wrong by chance?
2 corrections, she never met kurt at a nightclub in seattle, she met him after getting the heave ho from billy corgan in chicago, and went and saw nirvana that night. Courtney was not a guitar whiz, she couldnt play 2 notes. She was the worst guitar player in history. Listen to her isolated guitar samples. She could sing punk very well. She had dylan and cali kill kurt. There were a few other people there who helped out. Calis girlfriend KNOWS EVERYTHING, and conveniently were gone when the body was found and never interviewed.
Another point is interesting, why R.Caroll and Dany Goldberg divorced ? We know R.Caroll knew that Kurt wanted divorced, take off Courtney from his last will etc.. In my opinion Dany Goldberg know something too...
Ya I always thought those two had something to do with it because they had a lot to gain from Kurt’s death. Also them being replaced by Michael Stipe and Drew Barrymore as godparents is another clue. Another thing I want to point out is the Foo Fighters song called Rosemary. That could possibly be another clue.