I was really glad Minnesota got a team back. Like Buffalo, St. Paul is a hockey town. They moved the Northstars to Dallas where everything takes a backseat to the Cowboys. Minnesota loves hockey and has produced elite college teams throughout the years. I hate when the NHL moves teams from the North to cities in the South who have never even heard of a blueline. I have been to Sabres games that were nearly sold out when the team was out of playoff contention. I have also watched Carolina games where there were more Sabres fans in the house during losing Sabres seasons. They should get rid of Carolina, Florida, and Phoenix to name a few and get teams back to cities who love hockey small market or not. Quebec, Hartford, and Seattle would be good cities for hockey again. It was nice to see Atlanta get moved to Winnipeg. Halifax could probably support a team. I'm sure they would do better than Carolina. The Hurricanes have produced some great teams in their existence yet they still have a weak fanbase. Northern territories will always support hockey more than Southern ones. Its a Northern sport. We grow up with pond hockey, they grow up with football. Why give them teams they won't care about.
+spinnernet1 I can answer that. Minnesota fans felt robbed of what should or could have been. Nothing for sure, but Mike Madano was a rising Star. Norm Greene had legal issues and clearly, Gary Bettman wanted to help Norm's cause and his own with southern exposure by letting him put the team in Dallas. Bettman and Norm Greene are still hated in Minnesota for the scandal.
+Kris Ross Yes but I wish they got back there classic Northstars Name & colors, I hate the name wild and colors like so many of us over 40 I'm 56. the wild is just ugly and cartoonish ! The uniform from 1968- early 70s were great ! They got some slight stripe changes but all looked good - google that era !! Like "Cesare Maniago" !!!
+Kris Ross I agree , that region is a hockey hotbed , they have to have an NHL team!, it just wouldn't be right if Florida had two teams, California had three teams and Minnesota had none!, lol ;)
+spinnernet1 I was really really torn in the 90s with a love/hate relationship with Dallas. I grew up loving the North Stars. I was pissed when they dropped the N-Star logo for a generic Stars in '92. It hurt horribly when they left. I was in a hockey hotbed (MN) without a team to root for. I became a Caps and Sabres fan during this time, and Dallas got really good, really fast. I remember watching their playoff games and feeling like I half tricked-myself into thinking "it's my team with the cool Green and Gold logo" doing so well, and then the other half of me just hating that team for what Norm Green's decision did to my love of hockey, and destroying the North Stars. I love/d Modano, everybody else with the franchise could've jumped in the ocean. I am a huge Wild fan, and root for them as my new favorite team, but, if I'm honest, the name is goofy, and I still feel robbed of the North Stars (Minnesota being the 'North Star state' as an official nickname makes it feel like something I had some ownership in, as a Minnesotan, was taken away, without me having any say). It was 23 years ago, and it should be over and done with, but I still have moments where I would love Minnesota's North Stars to return to the Twin Cities
Being a 32 year ranger fan, its obvious why I love players from the 90s. Even the stars from the 80s that finished in the 90s were also favorites. That being said, John Van Biesbruck(I know I spelled that wrong) was a legend for us here in New Jersey and New York. I still loved him when he was a Panther. Such a crazy name too. Parents were clever to name him John. Flows off the tongue
Obviously Richter led them to a cup, but Vanviesbrouck was pretty goddammit good. It was almost a coin flip who was going to Florida and who would stay. They were almost splitting net time if I remember correctly.
As a 10yr old Kid that has grown up a Sports fan of most Professional Sports i could not imagine the NHL running with only 4 or 6 teams. Thats mind blowing to me. I very much enjoy watching Documentaries like this.
I was born in 1960 in a suburb of NYC. My Dad and I are still Ranger fans. I remember this expansion. I’m convinced the Seals suffered because of the Cow Palace. It really wasn’t big enough to support an NHL franchise. It also had poor concessions. Parking and public transit was also lacking. I was living in San Jose when the Sharks came into existence. San Jose has built a beautiful arena. In the mid 1980’s, I was fortunate enough to attend a Canadiens playoff name in the old Montreal Forum. Standing room. A beer strike meant they were serving in bottles. Not a keg to be had. The crowd behaved. French Canadians are SO polite unless you believe Rocket Richard deserved to be suspended. 😂
Man, this is the best time of the year for Hockey, for me. My team didn't even make the playoffs (Red Wings) - but, living close to Canada, I'm able to watch lots of playoff games on CBC. Their commentary during the games, between periods, and between games, is top notch. I'm not sure why Hockey isn't more popular than it is. It should be. Best sport to watch on television, by far. It's easy to understand the rules of the game, and games never drag on, like the end of a basketball game, for example. Or clock stoppages in football. No. They have to change lines, on the fly. Even when the clock does stop, play is quickly resumed. Anyway...I don't really care who actually wins the cup. I'm just enjoying the quality play!
As a hockey ref, I completely disagree that the rules are easy to understand. Offside. What’s offside? Well the player can’t enter the zone before the puck…. We’ll unless the puck is shot in not carried. The there’s this thing called delayed offside, which means that NO play is ACTUALLY offside until one of the offsides players touches it offside. Okay what’s icing. Well icing is when a player shoots it from his own side of the red line to the other teams end…. Unless someone else touches if past the center line. Or someone from the other team touches it at all. Or they have a “reasonable chance” to TRY to touch it. Hockey rules are needlessly complicated imo.
@@tmlfan7785 I'm not sure how many Billionaires in Canada are anxious to pay those ever increasing Franchise Fees? If The NHL expands again, The Franchise Fee is going to be around $1,000,000,000 American. And then you will still have to build and Arena, a Minor League System and all the operating expenses that go with those things.
@@richardtherichard26these are extremely easy to understand. I guess you could do away with delayed offsides but the things you mentioned for icing are very necessary rules.
Unfortunately, they didn't mention The North Stars, Nordiques, Whalers, and Jets becoming the Stars, Avalanche, Hurricanes, and Coyotes, as well as the Jets' return to Winnipeg. And how about the short-lived Cleveland Barons? A lot of history left on the table, sadly.
The so called minor league was a great bargain. You saw the next up and comers and the old pros that had done a few seasons in the NHL. You could talk with the players and coaches and see them around town. A lot of these guys ran summer hockey camps of the kids to earn money in the off season. I miss the old Denver Spurs the Avs games are just a Vegas show.
Well, Ed Snider and the Flyers certainly had an impact on my life. Born in 69 in South Jersey. Been a life long Flyers fan ever since! The emblem tattood on my chest! Played the game for 30 years! I bleed orange and black. One of my best memories seared into my mind is the bus ride to 1st grade and everyone singing...."We are the Champions..again!" That and..."The Flyers win the Stanley Cup, The Flyers win the Stanley Cup...." Blasting in our TV and every TV in the neighborhood! Been a lot of heartaches since but...I'll always love my Flyers! Let's go Flyers!!!!
Technically, the Sharks are a reversal of the contraction of the Cleveland Barons, originally known as the Seals. The owners of that team (The Gunds)merged with the Minnesota N. Stars. The Gunds were then awarded the Sharks in San Jose and were able to take some of the N. Star players with them and then the 2 teams participated in a expansion draft.
I was curious about what season the NHL sports ticker was showing in this video; turns out it was 2006-2007. I almost watched & recorded this show back in the day, but Sunday Night Football & "Dexter" were on, so it lost out. After that, I couldn't locate it.
Penguins were essentially awful from 1967 - 1983. In the early and mid 70s, you could literally walk up to the ticket windows 20 minutes before game time and buy any amount of tickets you wanted at ice level, behind the glass, for 8-9 dollars each - no problem. And yes, the old Civic Arena would be filled with cigarette smoke by the middle of the first period. Ah memories.
@@Tomatohater64 which is why I didn’t say good or great. They had some teams that were decent enough to make the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. Again, not good, but not terrible.
@@crowjones78 In their totality from 1967 - 1983, this franchise sucked big time. Lemieux saved this team both as a superstar player, and then as owner. None of their pre-1984 teams should ever be classified as "decent." I saw enough of that slop since the late 60s. They had one hopeful series against the Islanders, and then Chico Resch said: "No more."
@vidlivs You are correct about the area being loosely called Tampa Bay. Our teams go by that name to draw support from the entire area, and not just the city of Tampa.
The NHL's original four teams: Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Wanderers, Ottawa Senators and Quebec Bulldogs. Due to wartime restrictions Quebec opted out for the first season. To fill out the league, Arena Gardens in Toronto was granted a franchise on the proviso Livingstone was excluded from ownership. Wanderers, once a great hockey club, were in a sad way. They lasted four games. Then a suspicious fire started in their dressing room, burning the arena. They chose to fold instead of move.
And I’m happy for expansion because a Texas boy like me would’ve never seen a hockey game if the NorthStars hadn’t moved to Dallas, then winning the cup in 99 is still one of my all time favorite sports memories
I am extremely happy on how hockey in Nashville has grown. Honestly? It's become a hockey market. The Predators each year sell out more and more games, and it's LOUD inside Bridgestone Arena. Excited for what our future holds...GO PREDS!
I doubt Hartford will get a new team. They wont play in the dump that is the XL center, and any arena can't encroach on the Bruins or Ranger territory anyway. So unless its in downtown Hartford, they wont have a new team there.
+theomega311 I think someday NHL will attract more fans (not only in north america but also in europe) , make more money and also really be in the on the big four (nba, nfl, mlb & nhl)
This whole series of documentaries is great - I remember they were on NHL network at one point - but I can’t find any of the others except for The Trade. Does anyone know where the other episodes can be found?
+Vince Niederman They weren't. They put all the expansion teams in 1 division, so even though they made the finals they were probably the 7th best team out of 12. They got swept 4-0 in the finals each time.
The NHL monopolized professional hockey, refused to, and continue to refuse to acknowledge locations where the roots of hockey history in both Canada and the US exist.
Speaking as a fan of a sunbelt team (The Lightning), I would personally love to see more Canadian teams. I would just rather it be through expansion than taking away southern teams that in the long run, will succeed.
I followed the Seals on the radio. Out of curiosity. Also listened to LA Kings games. If not for the LA radio (and TV since they did simulcasts) announcers who were excellent in describing the games, would never have followed hockey later. There was no local TV of the Seals available where I lived-an hour from the BA-and almost no newspaper coverage.
What city did you grow up in? I grew up in Sacramento. I started following hockey in 1982/83. LA Kings fan. Very difficult to follow a team, or hockey in general then. No local team to watch, listen or read about. I just looked at the standings and box scores in the paper.
True, William, but Toronto was in the league from the first game so, despite changes in its nicknames, it is one of the "original two." I've never been convinced the team was ever referred to as the Arenas. Although it was owned by the Arena Gardens Co., it was still referred in the newspapers as the Blueshirts. (I've looked.) I believe the team did not have an official nickname until it became the St. Patricks in 1919-1920. Team colours changed from blue & white to green & white.
Montreal Canadiens (Founded in 1909; NHL member since 1917) Montreal Wanderers (Founded in 1903; NHL member in 1917; folded after arena burned down four games in) Ottawa HC “The Original Senators”/St. Louis Eagles (Founded in 1883; NHL member from 1917-35; relocated in 1934; Folded in 1935) Toronto HC/Arenas/St. Patricks/Maple Leafs (NHL member since 1917) Quebec Bulldogs/Athletics/Hamilton Tigers (Founded in 1878; NHL member from 1919-25; relocated in 1920; folded in 1925 after players walked off in protest because they each wanted an additional $200) Boston Bruins (NHL member since 1924) Montreal Maroons (NHL member from 1924-1938; Suspended operations in 1938, Franchise terminated 1947) New York/Brooklyn Americans (NHL member from 1925-42; suspended operations in 1942, but formally canceled in 1946) Pittsburgh Pirates/Philadelphia Quakers (NHL member from 1925-31; relocated 1930, suspended operations 1931, terminated 1936) Chicago Blackhawks or “Black Hawks” (NHL member since 1926) Detroit Cougars/Falcons/Red Wings (NHL member since 1926) New York Rangers (NHL member since 1926) Los Angeles Kings (NHL member since 1967) California/Oakland Seals/California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons/San Jose Sharks (NHL member since 1967; relocated in 1976; franchise “folded” after 1978 merger with Minnesota North Stars; franchise “revived” in original area in 1991) Minnesota North Stars/Dallas Stars (NHL member since 1967; relocated in 1993) St. Louis Blues (NHL member since 1967) Philadelphia Flyers (NHL member since 1967) Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL member since 1967) Vancouver Canucks (NHL member since 1970) Buffalo Sabres (NHL member since 1970) New York Islanders (NHL member since 1972) Atlanta/Calgary Flames (NHL member since 1972; relocated in 1980) Washington Capitals (NHL member since 1974) Kansas City Scouts/Colorado Rockies/New Jersey Devils (NHL member since 1974; first relocation 1976; second relocation 1982) Alberta/Edmonton Oilers (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979) New England/Hartford Whalers/Carolina Hurricanes (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979; relocated 1997) Winnipeg Jets (original)/Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979; relocated 1996) Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979; relocated 1995) Ottawa Senators (modern) (NHL member since 1992) Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL member since 1992) Mighty Ducks of Anaheim/Anaheim Ducks (NHL member since 1993) Florida Panthers (NHL member since 1993) Nashville Predators (NHL member since 1998) Atlanta Thrashers/Winnipeg Jets (modern) (NHL member since 1999; relocated 2011) Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL member since 2000) Minnesota Wild (NHL member since 2000) Vegas Golden Knights (NHL member since 2017) ...and coming soon to the NHL in 2021: Seattle Kraken
Well done sir but two slight corrections. Original name for Que team was Club Athletique du Quebec .... When the win the cup in the N.H.A twice the nickname was the bulldogs as most players were English heritage. Original Mtl teal was Montreal Canadians Hockey Club 09/10 , but lost a court case to an amateur team. The amateur team took over Club Athletique Canadienne & the original mtl franchise was taken over by one of the two new Toronto franchuses 2 years later. The C.a.c team changed names to Club du Hockey Canadiennes the 1st N.H.L year.
lol thanks I was looking at the scores and the guys who got points and saw Stamkos and the Thrashers and was trying to figure out what season that was...
27:00 the Flyers owner, Mr. Snyder loves his Hockey :) He even knows his history, even when it comes to the one year that Philadelphia had an NHL team, before the Flyers! As he says, it was in the 30's and only one year. I don't know if he mentions the team name because I paused the video, to come here, (nasty habit). Lol Does anyone remember that team's name? Whithout looking is up, my guess, is the 'Quakers' I think Pittsburg also had a NHL team, before the Penguins. They were called...the Pirates! How original ;) Cheers from Canada
Fuck that bigot Ed Snider. The bullshit they put my Devils trouogh to get team is still gong today. My Devils cannot market te team in certain area's of New Jersey. THAT is bullshit. Fuck Ed Snider, piece of bigot shit
Yes, the Bulldogs did relocate to Hamilton, but Hamilton relocated to New York in 1925 and became the New York Americans, which then became the Brooklyn Americans for 1 season in 41-42 before folding. The Bulldogs had no reation whatsoever to Pittsburgh, which joined the NHL in 1925 as an expansion franchise. They were called the Pirates. They relocated to Philadelphia in 30-31 as the Quakers before disbanding after 1 season.
Danny Gallivan, Bill Hewitt and Dan Kelly were far and above superior to Cole--in fact, Cole was so bad it got to the point he was mixing up players names-during his lousy play by play-he was essentially forced to retire as he was well over 80 but his enormous ego wouldn't let him. At one point CBC was forced to split him and Harry Neale apart because they were clearly biased for Toronto
The Cleveland Barons were not an expansion team. They were a relocation of the California Golden Seals in 1976. In 1978, the Barons merged with the Minnesota North Stars.
My first live game was the Atlanta Flames vs Golden Seals in 1971 I believe. Seals' goalie played without a mask. He and Ed Giacomin I believe were the last holdouts, but not sure on that.
Born and raised in Oakland. Never would have played my junior hockey or adult league hockey if it weren’t for the California Golden Seals. Also, I was lucky enough to have watched many of the great teams of the early 70’s thanks to the expansion.
23:15 I had to rewind this info a few times, when the commentator stated, 'The Flyers drafted Bobby Clarke, in 1974!!) What? LoL I think you may have the wrong year guys! Because my Bobby Clarke rookie card, is from 1970! I'll need to check my guide & record book but the toothless one ;) was drafted no later than 1970. So I'm thinking 68 or 69, would be his draft year. Unless I just got knocked out, by Dave "The Hammer" Schultz! :) Besides that 'faux pas' , this is a cool documentary and I'm learning some new things! The NHL network, was amazing in the first 5 years Or so, (2002-2007 were the years I had it, on satellite!) I use to love the 'Classis Series' episodes and nightly, Ice jumping coverage, during the season! Great stuff!
Does anyone know why the NHL logo changed? Ive been wondering this for a long time. The NHL in the old logo pointed down, while the NHL letters now point up in the new logo. Does anyone have the answer? Thanks!!
Just a matter of historical record. The NHL itself was the old NHA, except the owners were angry with Eddie Livingstone, owner of the Toronto Blueshirts, so they froze him out by starting a new league and leaving him out of it. The NHL adopted the same organization and constitution of the NHA.
Love this documentary but for one thing. How is it that the Minnesota North Stars merit one minute of coverage and only on Bill Masterton's death?! Yes, Philadelphia's story is fascinating. But did you even try to speak with any people from Minnesota, one of the constant major crucibles of American hockey? There are some great stories there. Too bad. The lack of North Stars coverage is a massive gap in an otherwise excellent video.
@@vinceniederman3235 not quite, although it's the longest current drought. The Rangers went 54 years between Cups and the Leafs, when they don't win it this year, will have gone 52.
I would say that the only reason not to move to Quebec would be the problem with the league structure, we would need a new team for the Central Division to get an even structure, and if we add Quebec we make it very complicated, thats the only reason to be honest.
As long as Bettman is in charge, there will be no expansion of any kind into Canada. That moron will go back to Atlanta for a third failed attempt, or to Hawaii, or to somewhere near the Equator before he will even consider expanding into Canada. The best he would do was give Winnipeg the failed Atlanta Thrashers - it was just passing on damaged goods rather than investing in a new franchise. If the team failed in Winnipeg, he would have blamed the Canadian market; if the team succeeded in Winnipeg, he would have said, "Sure, an already established franchise made it possible to succeed there but I'm not so sure that an expansion franchise starting from scratch will work in Canada." Bettman is a weasel who only wants for hockey and the NHL to be taken over by the U.S. It kills me to see that he has more franchises in year-round 100-degree locations than he has in Canada, the birthplace of hockey. To me, the guy has ruined the league.
Don't know why the didn't mention The North Stars, Nordiques, Whalers, and Jets becoming the Stars, Avalanche, Hurricanes and Coyotes, as well as the Jets' return to Winnipeg. And how about the short-lived Cleveland Barons? A lot of history left on the table, sadly.
As a Huge Flyers Fan Since The 90's This is a Very Good Documentary With The 6 Teams From the 1940's Till 1966 With The New 6 Teams With The California Seals Folding Pittsburgh Came Close To Folding in 1975!
The Quebec Bulldogs moved to Hamilton, renamed the Tigers. But the Tigers moved after a few seasons when a player's strike had them threaten to sit out the season. A New York bootlegger (Keep in mind, prohibition was in effect), Bill Dwyer bought the team and moved them to New York to play in MSG III, named the Americans, the team suspended operations in 1942 due to player shortages because of World War II, and never made a comeback, officially folding in 1946.
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It's time for another expansion with the Quebec Nordiques, Seattle Sealions, Las Vegas Aces, Hamilton Tigers, Houston Aeros, Kansas City Scouts, Atlanta Thrashers, Cleveland Barons, Portland Polar Bears, Hartford Whalers, Indianapolis Rebels, San Francisco Seals, Norfolk Admirals, Brooklyn Americans, Kingston Caribous, Omaha Wolverines, Baltimore Blades, Milwaukee Moose, Boise Monsters, Oklahoma City Pickaxes, Richmond Ramblers, Louisville Gunners, San Antonio Rampage, Montreal Maroons, Rochester Robins, Salt Lake City Alpines, Saskatoon Sasquatch, Providence Steamrollers, Mississauga Norsemen, Memphis Cougars, Maine Huskies, Cincinnati Mohawks, Austin Wranglers, Halifax Arctic Foxes, Sacramento Rovers, Chicago Icebreakers, Regina Rage, Oakland Bulldogs and Charlotte Checkers... or maybe just two of these teams.
4WFTB If it doesn't snow or get cold enough to form ICE year after year, that city does not need an NHL team. Hockey is a winter sport and has no place in a tropical climate ( or a desert climate) like come the fuck on already
Luke Cawston I agree, simply because most of the potential fan base of kids with their heroes can't get out on their skates and play hockey where's there's no ice. As a kid, I was enthralled with the Atlanta Flames and was sick to see them move to Calgary. In Atlanta, there was no real way to pretend to be those guys, to skate on frozen ponds, build back yard mini rinks, to have local "little league" teams, etc. Perhaps the roller blade type skates can sort of mimic but do not react and cut in like steel. It's very difficult to build a real dedicated/devoted fan base without kids being able to play and love the sport, who then grow into the adults who support the sport while breeding and teaching a new generation of kids who love the sport.
Honestly i would like to see the NHL add two teams, one in Seattle and one in Quebec. Because it would create four divisions of all eights teams each. (Add Seattle to the Pacific Division add Quebec to the Atlantic Division and move Detroit to the Central Division)
When I lived in Everett (just north of Seattle), I supported that minor league team there. It seemed to have a fairly good draw and decent fan base. So yeah, there are some hockey fans in the area for sure. There are also hockey fans in Atlanta -- just enough to lose two NHL teams. I think Seattle would probably be in the same category and especially so considering it's already a major league city - Seahawks, Mariners, Sonics -- and having those other major sports teams does make a major difference in fan support in an area where there's no winter ice. Nashville has a great fan base and hockey support, so maybe , as well as the Panthers down in Florida, due to that being, at least in part, kinda the only game in town. Of course I could be mistaken and a Seattle team could completely rock the NW. I would love that. I just don't see it happening. I think it would struggle to get support and then eventually move or fold.
You mention the Sonics as a Seattle team, what unfortunately isn't the case anymore. I guess NHL will do fine in Seattle. Nate Silver calculated Seattle being the best city in USA for an NHL expansion. It is currently the biggest city with just two major sport teams. It creates a rivalry between them and Vancouver (who aren't in the MLB and NFL). The recent addition of a MLS team in Seattle is doing great, so great it's even ranked the most valuable of teams in the MLS. The local economy is doing great recently, the city is growing. And the NHL is played in the winter what gives it an own space on the calendar between the NFL season and the MLB and MLS seasons.
The one reason the NHL is American-centric: population. Higher population centers, a larger potential audience, more potential revenue. I do believe Canada needs to remain representative (a new franchise in Quebec City I think would be excellent for the game), but I do see why the league has gone into the southern markets.
If The Cities Of Seattle And Quebec Ever Get New NHL Teams I'm Sure Garry Bettman Would Be Saying "I Know Hockey Fans Have Waiting a Long Time in Quebec Since 1995 While Seattle Wanted To Get a NHL Team So Badly After Talks Of The New Arena"!
they need far fewer teams--not more--I still believe they don't need so many teams in the South--especially Arizona, Dallas, Miami, Carolina, Tampa Bay (Atlanta has flopped twice)-all these teams dilute the talent and the game has suffered because of it
Correction on the 1917 Toronto team. It wasn't the Blueshirts, but the Arenas. The Blueshirts were in the NHLs predecessor league, the NHA, and were owned by a venturing, though ultimately corrupt and inept businessman, named Eddie Livingstone. Livingstone so ticked off the other owners that they decided to form a new league, the NHL, and not invite Livingstone 's team into it, leaving the NHA as a one team league, the Toronto Blueshirts. LOL! The Leafs are the direct descendants of the Arenas and its Irish-owned, greenshirt successors, the St Pats. When Conn Smythe took over the team in 1926, he wanted it in British blue, and renamed it the Maple Leafs, since the Blueshirts name was still owned by Livingstone.
@2:40 No Kidding! How the NHL remained a 6 team league all the way to 1967 is beyond any comprehension. From a fan's point of view, having insight into European sport leagues with 16 teams, relegation and promotion, international cup competitions it must have been a terrible, boring predicament to be a fan back in those days. It's not like the economy of North America could not support more franchises.
Funny, no mention of the whereabouts of the Oakland Seals who first went to Cleveland to become the Barons then merged with the Minnesota North Stars. So, essentially a failed franchise.
I'm still trying to figure how Nashville's yellow or white and yellow jerseys work and Pens and Bruins yellows/gold work but LA's NHL yellows hasn't been figured out in a way to work
I’m surprised it took as long as it did for Seattle to get a team, I mean Vegas got a team before that and the Pacific Northwest looks like prime hockey territory
Agree. It makes sense though. In the late 60s and early 70s, the NHL was competing against the Western Hockey League which had almost all influence in the Pacific Northwest, including having the Seattle Totems and Vancouver Canucks
The NHL should be Smythe: Calgary Edmonton Vancouver LA Seattle Portland Colorado Norris: Minnesota St Louis Detroit Chicago Wisconsin Winnipeg Saskatchewan Adams: Montreal Toronto Hamilton Ottawa Buffalo Boston Hartford Patrick: Pittsburgh Philadelphia NYR NYI New Jersey Washington
I wonder how long this documentary would be if it included the rules for each wave of expansion. What did the new franchise pay for the team? What did the existing teams have to give up via expansion draft? Who was protects and which players were left exposed?
This video is a joke, there's like 30 minutes on the Flyers, even 5 minutes on the Florida Panthers and zero on the Buffalo Sabres which are barely mentioned.
Could be because The Flyers were first expansion team to win a Cup. Took them only 6 years. Hated them at the time but looking back it was great for NHL. There was good documentary about that team somewhere on UA-cam.
The city isn’t the problem, it’s the owners, and their lack of marketing. If hockey can succeed in California, Texas, Florida And now Carolina, it can easily succeed in Atlanta Georgia
Russell Guercio I disagree with you. Just watch a video based on the Atlanta flames, or Thrashers and you will see a bunch of comments from that fanbase wishing their team was back. Rappers were even wearing Thrasher jerseys. The ECHL team in Atlanta is doing amazing money wise
I was a youth league player in Birmingham, AL and was a HUGE Thashers fan, as were many of my friends growing up. It was a tough pill to swallow (and still is) when they moved to Winnipeg. The fan base was there, but the marketing and interest from the owners was not.
I've seen this before and it's pretty good. I'm no fan of Bettman but maybe people who blame him for everything should watch this. There were 14 teams in the NHL before Canada got their 3rd team. This league has always been more about the US markets for whatever reason.
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I was at the Flyers first game. Still have the stub.
+Freddy Lubin Pics?
I'll try to find it along with my stuff.
Freddy Lubin
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That's really cool, couldn't even picture what that would've been like. Big time hockey in a new city. Pretty neat
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I was really glad Minnesota got a team back. Like Buffalo, St. Paul is a hockey town. They moved the Northstars to Dallas where everything takes a backseat to the Cowboys. Minnesota loves hockey and has produced elite college teams throughout the years. I hate when the NHL moves teams from the North to cities in the South who have never even heard of a blueline. I have been to Sabres games that were nearly sold out when the team was out of playoff contention. I have also watched Carolina games where there were more Sabres fans in the house during losing Sabres seasons. They should get rid of Carolina, Florida, and Phoenix to name a few and get teams back to cities who love hockey small market or not. Quebec, Hartford, and Seattle would be good cities for hockey again. It was nice to see Atlanta get moved to Winnipeg. Halifax could probably support a team. I'm sure they would do better than Carolina. The Hurricanes have produced some great teams in their existence yet they still have a weak fanbase. Northern territories will always support hockey more than Southern ones. Its a Northern sport. We grow up with pond hockey, they grow up with football. Why give them teams they won't care about.
+spinnernet1 I can answer that. Minnesota fans felt robbed of what should or could have been. Nothing for sure, but Mike Madano was a rising Star. Norm Greene had legal issues and clearly, Gary Bettman wanted to help Norm's cause and his own with southern exposure by letting him put the team in Dallas. Bettman and Norm Greene are still hated in Minnesota for the scandal.
+Kris Ross Yes but I wish they got back there classic Northstars Name & colors, I hate the name wild and colors like so many of us over 40 I'm 56. the wild is just ugly and cartoonish ! The uniform from 1968- early 70s were great ! They got some slight stripe changes but all looked good - google that era !! Like "Cesare Maniago" !!!
+Kris Ross I agree , that region is a hockey hotbed , they have to have an NHL team!, it just wouldn't be right if Florida had two teams, California had three teams and Minnesota had none!, lol ;)
+spinnernet1 I was really really torn in the 90s with a love/hate relationship with Dallas. I grew up loving the North Stars. I was pissed when they dropped the N-Star logo for a generic Stars in '92. It hurt horribly when they left. I was in a hockey hotbed (MN) without a team to root for. I became a Caps and Sabres fan during this time, and Dallas got really good, really fast. I remember watching their playoff games and feeling like I half tricked-myself into thinking "it's my team with the cool Green and Gold logo" doing so well, and then the other half of me just hating that team for what Norm Green's decision did to my love of hockey, and destroying the North Stars. I love/d Modano, everybody else with the franchise could've jumped in the ocean. I am a huge Wild fan, and root for them as my new favorite team, but, if I'm honest, the name is goofy, and I still feel robbed of the North Stars (Minnesota being the 'North Star state' as an official nickname makes it feel like something I had some ownership in, as a Minnesotan, was taken away, without me having any say). It was 23 years ago, and it should be over and done with, but I still have moments where I would love Minnesota's North Stars to return to the Twin Cities
+Prog X I agree I wish they could have kept the Northstars name and their classic uni's of the 1968-71' era they just looked so good ! : )
Being a 32 year ranger fan, its obvious why I love players from the 90s. Even the stars from the 80s that finished in the 90s were also favorites. That being said, John Van Biesbruck(I know I spelled that wrong) was a legend for us here in New Jersey and New York. I still loved him when he was a Panther. Such a crazy name too. Parents were clever to name him John. Flows off the tongue
Obviously Richter led them to a cup, but Vanviesbrouck was pretty goddammit good. It was almost a coin flip who was going to Florida and who would stay. They were almost splitting net time if I remember correctly.
As a 10yr old Kid that has grown up a Sports fan of most Professional Sports i could not imagine the NHL running with only 4 or 6 teams. Thats mind blowing to me. I very much enjoy watching Documentaries like this.
Ed Snider is such a legend. I have heard he would come down after every game and personally gratulate the players for the win.
Buddy was hittin the Molsons heavy on this comment but yes such a legend
I was born in 1960 in a suburb of NYC. My Dad and I are still Ranger fans.
I remember this expansion. I’m convinced the Seals suffered because of the Cow Palace. It really wasn’t big enough to support an NHL franchise. It also had poor concessions. Parking and public transit was also lacking.
I was living in San Jose when the Sharks came into existence. San Jose has built a beautiful arena.
In the mid 1980’s, I was fortunate enough to attend a Canadiens playoff name in the old Montreal Forum. Standing room. A beer strike meant they were serving in bottles. Not a keg to be had. The crowd behaved. French Canadians are SO polite unless you believe Rocket Richard deserved to be suspended. 😂
Man, this is the best time of the year for Hockey, for me.
My team didn't even make the playoffs (Red Wings) - but, living close to Canada, I'm able to watch lots of playoff games on CBC. Their commentary during the games, between periods, and between games, is top notch.
I'm not sure why Hockey isn't more popular than it is. It should be. Best sport to watch on television, by far. It's easy to understand the rules of the game, and games never drag on, like the end of a basketball game, for example. Or clock stoppages in football. No. They have to change lines, on the fly. Even when the clock does stop, play is quickly resumed.
Anyway...I don't really care who actually wins the cup. I'm just enjoying the quality play!
rklewis2 they put too many teams in America. A lot of Canadians stopped watching after that
As a hockey ref, I completely disagree that the rules are easy to understand. Offside. What’s offside? Well the player can’t enter the zone before the puck…. We’ll unless the puck is shot in not carried. The there’s this thing called delayed offside, which means that NO play is ACTUALLY offside until one of the offsides players touches it offside. Okay what’s icing. Well icing is when a player shoots it from his own side of the red line to the other teams end…. Unless someone else touches if past the center line. Or someone from the other team touches it at all. Or they have a “reasonable chance” to TRY to touch it. Hockey rules are needlessly complicated imo.
@@tmlfan7785no they didnt lol but keep telling urself that
@@tmlfan7785 I'm not sure how many Billionaires in Canada are anxious to pay those ever increasing Franchise Fees? If The NHL expands again, The Franchise Fee is going to be around $1,000,000,000 American. And then you will still have to build and Arena, a Minor League System and all the operating expenses that go with those things.
@@richardtherichard26these are extremely easy to understand. I guess you could do away with delayed offsides but the things you mentioned for icing are very necessary rules.
Great history of the NHL....thanks so much for posting!!!
Unfortunately, they didn't mention The North Stars, Nordiques, Whalers, and Jets becoming the Stars, Avalanche, Hurricanes, and Coyotes, as well as the Jets' return to Winnipeg. And how about the short-lived Cleveland Barons? A lot of history left on the table, sadly.
It just goes to show you how great the minor league hockey was back then
Right? Imagine the NHL having to compete with Junior Hockey and later the WHA?
The so called minor league was a great bargain. You saw the next up and comers and the old pros that had done a few seasons in the NHL. You could talk with the players and coaches and see them around town. A lot of these guys ran summer hockey camps of the kids to earn money in the off season. I miss the old Denver Spurs the Avs games are just a Vegas show.
Thank you for posting. I always find this type of thing fascinating.
I'm waiting for a doc on NHL Uniforms and goalie masks.
If you make one . . . . we will watch.
Well, Ed Snider and the Flyers certainly had an impact on my life. Born in 69 in South Jersey. Been a life long Flyers fan ever since! The emblem tattood on my chest! Played the game for 30 years! I bleed orange and black. One of my best memories seared into my mind is the bus ride to 1st grade and everyone singing...."We are the Champions..again!" That and..."The Flyers win the Stanley Cup, The Flyers win the Stanley Cup...." Blasting in our TV and every TV in the neighborhood!
Been a lot of heartaches since but...I'll always love my Flyers!
Let's go Flyers!!!!
You are more than welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. Still LOTS more to come.
Technically, the Sharks are a reversal of the contraction of the Cleveland Barons, originally known as the Seals. The owners of that team (The Gunds)merged with the Minnesota N. Stars. The Gunds were then awarded the Sharks in San Jose and were able to take some of the N. Star players with them and then the 2 teams participated in a expansion draft.
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@@revkelly85 Ok, I’ll text you I’m close by
I was curious about what season the NHL sports ticker was showing in this video; turns out it was 2006-2007. I almost watched & recorded this show back in the day, but Sunday Night Football & "Dexter" were on, so it lost out. After that, I couldn't locate it.
I was wondering the same, thank you.
Clarke wasnt drafted in 74 as the narration claims...he played his first season with the Flyers in the 60-70 season.
The part about him being drafted in the second round was right, but yeah, the year was 1969 and not 1974.
Long season
That must have been a long season. 10 friggin' years!
69-70
@@busterbiloxi3833LOL 😆
Go Kings Go! Fan from the Philippines.
Seattle and LV wouldn't have been possible without the 1967 expansion
Crazy how far this league has come. 2020 and still going strong.
I've watched this video like 5 times idk why I love it so much
Probably has something to do with the commentator, same guy that did anchorman lol
Penguins were essentially awful from 1967 - 1983. In the early and mid 70s, you could literally walk up to the ticket windows 20 minutes before game time and buy any amount of tickets you wanted at ice level, behind the glass, for 8-9 dollars each - no problem. And yes, the old Civic Arena would be filled with cigarette smoke by the middle of the first period. Ah memories.
And then came Mario
They had some pretty decent teams in the 70s
@@crowjones78 Not really. Islanders put a lid on any of that nonsense.
@@Tomatohater64 which is why I didn’t say good or great. They had some teams that were decent enough to make the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. Again, not good, but not terrible.
@@crowjones78 In their totality from 1967 - 1983, this franchise sucked big time. Lemieux saved this team both as a superstar player, and then as owner. None of their pre-1984 teams should ever be classified as "decent." I saw enough of that slop since the late 60s. They had one hopeful series against the Islanders, and then Chico Resch said: "No more."
@vidlivs You are correct about the area being loosely called Tampa Bay. Our teams go by that name to draw support from the entire area, and not just the city of Tampa.
The NHL's original four teams: Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Wanderers, Ottawa Senators and Quebec Bulldogs. Due to wartime restrictions Quebec opted out for the first season. To fill out the league, Arena Gardens in Toronto was granted a franchise on the proviso Livingstone was excluded from ownership.
Wanderers, once a great hockey club, were in a sad way. They lasted four games. Then a suspicious fire started in their dressing room, burning the arena. They chose to fold instead of move.
My mum had cousins that lived on wood Ave where the arena was, which was just west across the street where they built the forum.
Great upload 👍
I thank the G O D S for allowing the expansions of the NHL.Makes for more games, more talent to be seen.
As an American, I’m loving this doc because I really didn’t know the history of the NHL or hockey for that matter so this is a cool video
And I’m happy for expansion because a Texas boy like me would’ve never seen a hockey game if the NorthStars hadn’t moved to Dallas, then winning the cup in 99 is still one of my all time favorite sports memories
I am extremely happy on how hockey in Nashville has grown. Honestly? It's become a hockey market. The Predators each year sell out more and more games, and it's LOUD inside Bridgestone Arena. Excited for what our future holds...GO PREDS!
I doubt Hartford will get a new team. They wont play in the dump that is the XL center, and any arena can't encroach on the Bruins or Ranger territory anyway. So unless its in downtown Hartford, they wont have a new team there.
+theomega311 I think someday NHL will attract more fans (not only in north america but also in europe) , make more money and also really be in the on the big four (nba, nfl, mlb & nhl)
The Preds suck. they have a goon in James Neal. Why do you think Ryan Suter and Craig Leopold left Nashville?
Congrats on you guys sweeping the Blackhawks. Great to see Nashville become such an awesome hockey market.
Planktontwo hold this L b
Great documentary. Wonder if there is a more updated version that includes all 32 NHL teams. Sad they didn’t mention the Avs moving in 95-96.
It's probably produced in Canada and they were second fiddle in Quebec .
Now 31 and soon to be 32, Vegas and Seattle
and I think Quebec will be next with either Portland or Houston or Oklahoma
@@imelvino not likely best case scenario is moving az east
32 is already too many teams. It would be very dumb to add another
This whole series of documentaries is great - I remember they were on NHL network at one point - but I can’t find any of the others except for The Trade. Does anyone know where the other episodes can be found?
Terry Sawchuk.....Rogie Vachon....Jonathan Quick.....Kings all time greats!
tomas blanco wayne gretsky
@Willie Gordon marcel dionne
this is really awesome, thanks!
It's a Shocker That The St Louis Blues Were Very Good In The First 3 Years Of The Expansion Before 1970!
+Vince Niederman They weren't. They put all the expansion teams in 1 division, so even though they made the finals they were probably the 7th best team out of 12. They got swept 4-0 in the finals each time.
Philo Judaeus of Alexandria Yup They Could Go To The Stanley Cup Finals This Year!
they have a cup now last team from this expansion to do so
Scott Bowman was their coach. It's not a suprise if you know the history.
They were coached by the master, Scotty Bowman....and all the expansion teams were lumped together, ya know?...
The NHL monopolized professional hockey, refused to, and continue to refuse to acknowledge locations where the roots of hockey history in both Canada and the US exist.
Speaking as a fan of a sunbelt team (The Lightning), I would personally love to see more Canadian teams. I would just rather it be through expansion than taking away southern teams that in the long run, will succeed.
What is the name of the music that goes...."ohhh ohhhh ohhhhh, *drum rhythm"? It's great.
at what point in the video? time? 00:00??
Great documentary...even better footage.
2017: Vegas Golden Knights join nhl as the 31st franchise
2021: Seattle Kraken join nhl as the 32nd franchise
Isn’t it crazy that the Leafs haven’t won a Stanley Cup since the league doubled in size on June 7, 1967? They should call it the “Expansion Curse”.
Not for the Canadiens, they were prepared for expansion, the Leafs were not
I followed the Seals on the radio. Out of curiosity. Also listened to LA Kings games. If not for the LA radio (and TV since they did simulcasts) announcers who were excellent in describing the games, would never have followed hockey later. There was no local TV of the Seals available where I lived-an hour from the BA-and almost no newspaper coverage.
What city did you grow up in? I grew up in Sacramento. I started following hockey in 1982/83. LA Kings fan. Very difficult to follow a team, or hockey in general then. No local team to watch, listen or read about. I just looked at the standings and box scores in the paper.
I honestly can't believe how the Flyers were born, I my not like em but that's still a pretty cool story
Most passionate fanbase in the NHL
Those Ranger highlights with billy smith and duguay are from 78-79, not from 72
RIP Mr Snider
He was an excellent guy business-wise and personally from all accounts that I heard.
Mr. Snider was a class act through and through. I've NEVER heard anything bad about him from his former players. He's missed
Bruh when you say Mr Snider you make me think of one my 7th grade teachers
GOOD RIDDANCE TO THAT BIGOT PIECE OF SHIT
FUCK DEAD ED
This documentary very insightful one.
Do Not forget the New York Americans were originally the Hamilton Tigers hockey club in Hamilton Canada
Really? I Didn’t Know That As a Philadelphia Flyers Fan Since 1995!
@@vinceniederman yes. Hamilton had a team before the original 6
@@tommysoprano1441 Nice and There’s Something I Leaned As a Hockey Fan!
True, William, but Toronto was in the league from the first game so, despite changes in its nicknames, it is one of the "original two."
I've never been convinced the team was ever referred to as the Arenas. Although it was owned by the Arena Gardens Co., it was still referred in the newspapers as the Blueshirts. (I've looked.) I believe the team did not have an official nickname until it became the St. Patricks in 1919-1920. Team colours changed from blue & white to green & white.
Montreal Canadiens (Founded in 1909; NHL member since 1917)
Montreal Wanderers (Founded in 1903; NHL member in 1917; folded after arena burned down four games in)
Ottawa HC “The Original Senators”/St. Louis Eagles (Founded in 1883; NHL member from 1917-35; relocated in 1934; Folded in 1935)
Toronto HC/Arenas/St. Patricks/Maple Leafs (NHL member since 1917)
Quebec Bulldogs/Athletics/Hamilton Tigers (Founded in 1878; NHL member from 1919-25; relocated in 1920; folded in 1925 after players walked off in protest because they each wanted an additional $200)
Boston Bruins (NHL member since 1924)
Montreal Maroons (NHL member from 1924-1938; Suspended operations in 1938, Franchise terminated 1947)
New York/Brooklyn Americans (NHL member from 1925-42; suspended operations in 1942, but formally canceled in 1946)
Pittsburgh Pirates/Philadelphia Quakers (NHL member from 1925-31; relocated 1930, suspended operations 1931, terminated 1936)
Chicago Blackhawks or “Black Hawks” (NHL member since 1926)
Detroit Cougars/Falcons/Red Wings (NHL member since 1926)
New York Rangers (NHL member since 1926)
Los Angeles Kings (NHL member since 1967)
California/Oakland Seals/California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons/San Jose Sharks (NHL member since 1967; relocated in 1976; franchise “folded” after 1978 merger with Minnesota North Stars; franchise “revived” in original area in 1991)
Minnesota North Stars/Dallas Stars (NHL member since 1967; relocated in 1993)
St. Louis Blues (NHL member since 1967)
Philadelphia Flyers (NHL member since 1967)
Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL member since 1967)
Vancouver Canucks (NHL member since 1970)
Buffalo Sabres (NHL member since 1970)
New York Islanders (NHL member since 1972)
Atlanta/Calgary Flames (NHL member since 1972; relocated in 1980)
Washington Capitals (NHL member since 1974)
Kansas City Scouts/Colorado Rockies/New Jersey Devils (NHL member since 1974; first relocation 1976; second relocation 1982)
Alberta/Edmonton Oilers (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979)
New England/Hartford Whalers/Carolina Hurricanes (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979; relocated 1997)
Winnipeg Jets (original)/Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979; relocated 1996)
Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche (Founded 1972; NHL member since 1979; relocated 1995)
Ottawa Senators (modern) (NHL member since 1992)
Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL member since 1992)
Mighty Ducks of Anaheim/Anaheim Ducks (NHL member since 1993)
Florida Panthers (NHL member since 1993)
Nashville Predators (NHL member since 1998)
Atlanta Thrashers/Winnipeg Jets (modern) (NHL member since 1999; relocated 2011)
Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL member since 2000)
Minnesota Wild (NHL member since 2000)
Vegas Golden Knights (NHL member since 2017)
...and coming soon to the NHL in 2021: Seattle Kraken
Well done sir but two slight corrections.
Original name for Que team was Club Athletique du Quebec ....
When the win the cup in the N.H.A twice the nickname was the bulldogs as most players were English heritage.
Original Mtl teal was Montreal Canadians Hockey Club 09/10 , but lost a court case to an amateur team.
The amateur team took over Club Athletique Canadienne & the original mtl franchise was taken over by one of the two new Toronto franchuses 2 years later.
The C.a.c team changed names to Club du Hockey Canadiennes the 1st N.H.L year.
Nice views you deserve more content
November 28, 2009 is when this was broadcast and the only reason I know this is because of the NHL scoreboard.
lol thanks I was looking at the scores and the guys who got points and saw Stamkos and the Thrashers and was trying to figure out what season that was...
I saw my team Calgary and was wondering since they were doing well lol
27:00
the Flyers owner, Mr. Snyder loves his Hockey :)
He even knows his history, even when it comes to the one year that Philadelphia had an NHL team, before the Flyers!
As he says, it was in the 30's and only one year. I don't know if he mentions the team name because I paused the video, to come here, (nasty habit). Lol
Does anyone remember that team's name? Whithout looking is up, my guess, is the 'Quakers'
I think Pittsburg also had a NHL team, before the Penguins. They were called...the Pirates!
How original ;)
Cheers from Canada
R.I.P Ed Snider ( created the flyers
Do you think he went to heaven?
Fuck that bigot Ed Snider. The bullshit they put my Devils trouogh to get team is still gong today. My Devils cannot market te team in certain area's of New Jersey. THAT is bullshit. Fuck Ed Snider, piece of bigot shit
@@ms.felonystrutter2472 Fuck off bitch
Bill Morgan you can’t go somewhere that doesn’t exist
Yes, the Bulldogs did relocate to Hamilton, but Hamilton relocated to New York in 1925 and became the New York Americans, which then became the Brooklyn Americans for 1 season in 41-42 before folding. The Bulldogs had no reation whatsoever to Pittsburgh, which joined the NHL in 1925 as an expansion franchise. They were called the Pirates. They relocated to Philadelphia in 30-31 as the Quakers before disbanding after 1 season.
Bob Cole's voice on the Gretzky goal about 35 minutes in. I think I miss Bob Cole calling games as much as a miss seeing any player on the ice.
Danny Gallivan, Bill Hewitt and Dan Kelly were far and above superior to Cole--in fact, Cole was so bad it got to the point he was mixing up players names-during his lousy play by play-he was essentially forced to retire as he was well over 80 but his enormous ego wouldn't let him. At one point CBC was forced to split him and Harry Neale apart because they were clearly biased for Toronto
@@bufnyfan1 I don't disagree with your take on Bob Cole. I miss Cole because he and Harry Neal were the voices of hockey for me growing up.
What. No mention of the Clevland Barons?
The Cleveland Barons were not an expansion team. They were a relocation of the California Golden Seals in 1976. In 1978, the Barons merged with the Minnesota North Stars.
They don't deserve mentioning other than merging with the North Stars in 1978 they sure didn't do anything on the ice
The Spectrum was built in 11 months!?!?!?! Nowadays that would take 4 years!
It was substandard too.
The T-Mobile was completed in a little more than a year, and the new raiders stadium is going to take a year and a half. Not that uncommon.
Here in Montreal that would have taken 15 years.
They take two years to renovate a school and still is substandard
The roof blew off at the Spectrum toward the end of the first season
My first live game was the Atlanta Flames vs Golden Seals in 1971 I believe. Seals' goalie played without a mask. He and Ed Giacomin I believe were the last holdouts, but not sure on that.
This is a documentary about expansion teams. The Avs aren't an expansion team. They're the Nordiques.
tobosaku1 Glad someone mentioned that. NFL fans seem to always forget that .
20:18 can some one please tell me the year of this shot?
"Oakland"
"Exotic"
'black people"
charlie finley's golden seals. they actually wore white skates and even tried orange pucks.
Born and raised in Oakland. Never would have played my junior hockey or adult league hockey if it weren’t for the California Golden Seals.
Also, I was lucky enough to have watched many of the great teams of the early 70’s thanks to the expansion.
@@mikecantele9986 charlie O. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@steveperry1344 Would have been interesting if the Seals were owned by Jerry Seltzer
@TheNorgate: Bobby Clarke was drafted in 1967 or 1968
1969
@Sportcules Umm, San Jose is a very successful team
24-28? Successful?
@JCNLYNS, You know you can just reply to a comment ?
23:15
I had to rewind this info a few times, when the commentator stated, 'The Flyers drafted Bobby Clarke, in 1974!!)
What? LoL
I think you may have the wrong year guys!
Because my Bobby Clarke rookie card, is from 1970!
I'll need to check my guide & record book but the toothless one ;)
was drafted no later than 1970.
So I'm thinking 68 or 69, would be his draft year.
Unless I just got knocked out, by Dave "The Hammer" Schultz! :)
Besides that 'faux pas' , this is a cool documentary and I'm learning some new things!
The NHL network, was amazing in the first 5 years Or so, (2002-2007 were the years I had it, on satellite!)
I use to love the 'Classis Series' episodes and nightly, Ice jumping coverage, during the season! Great stuff!
You are not alone. Hockey is the greatest sport ever.
Does anyone know why the NHL logo changed? Ive been wondering this for a long time. The NHL in the old logo pointed down, while the NHL letters now point up in the new logo. Does anyone have the answer? Thanks!!
Go bolts!!!! And greetings from a bolts fan in Mexico
Pedro Dorantes does Mexico have a league?
who broadcasts games in mexico?
you play any hockey in mexico..could play roller if no ice
Lucky
Pedro Dorantes SWEEP
Just a matter of historical record. The NHL itself was the old NHA, except the owners were angry with Eddie Livingstone, owner of the Toronto Blueshirts, so they froze him out by starting a new league and leaving him out of it. The NHL adopted the same organization and constitution of the NHA.
Who woulda thunk back in the mid 1980s, even after getting Mario, that the Penguins would end up the most successful of the 67 expansion teams
Love this documentary but for one thing. How is it that the Minnesota North Stars merit one minute of coverage and only on Bill Masterton's death?! Yes, Philadelphia's story is fascinating. But did you even try to speak with any people from Minnesota, one of the constant major crucibles of American hockey? There are some great stories there. Too bad.
The lack of North Stars coverage is a massive gap in an otherwise excellent video.
The leafs haven't won a cup since colour tv came out
+Alex Goglin Yup That's Very True and Now They have The Longest Drought In The NHL!
@@vinceniederman3235 not quite, although it's the longest current drought. The Rangers went 54 years between Cups and the Leafs, when they don't win it this year, will have gone 52.
MashedTubers True After The Rangers Won In 1994 The Blackhawks Had The 2nd Longest Drought After Toronto!
This comment has aged like a fine wine. Cheers!
If the NHL wanted another pro hockey 🏒 team in Texas . What city 🏙️ you would like to see 🙈 it in?
I Would Say Houston Texas To Have a Instate Rivalry With The Dallas Stars!
I can't believe that Vegas is getting a team.Who do the Nordiques have to pay off to get one ?Not Bettman that's for sure .
I would say that the only reason not to move to Quebec would be the problem with the league structure, we would need a new team for the Central Division to get an even structure, and if we add Quebec we make it very complicated, thats the only reason to be honest.
The aves own the name, the East already has an odd number of teams, the Habs dominate that area and won't give another team in that area a chance
you can thank Marcel Aubut for not having one
I'm confident that the league in about 10 - 12 years will basket expand to Quebec and either Houston / Kansas city . It would be like 1992
As long as Bettman is in charge, there will be no expansion of any kind into Canada. That moron will go back to Atlanta for a third failed attempt, or to Hawaii, or to somewhere near the Equator before he will even consider expanding into Canada. The best he would do was give Winnipeg the failed Atlanta Thrashers - it was just passing on damaged goods rather than investing in a new franchise. If the team failed in Winnipeg, he would have blamed the Canadian market; if the team succeeded in Winnipeg, he would have said, "Sure, an already established franchise made it possible to succeed there but I'm not so sure that an expansion franchise starting from scratch will work in Canada." Bettman is a weasel who only wants for hockey and the NHL to be taken over by the U.S. It kills me to see that he has more franchises in year-round 100-degree locations than he has in Canada, the birthplace of hockey. To me, the guy has ruined the league.
Don't know why the didn't mention The North Stars, Nordiques, Whalers, and Jets becoming the Stars, Avalanche, Hurricanes and Coyotes, as well as the Jets' return to Winnipeg. And how about the short-lived Cleveland Barons? A lot of history left on the table, sadly.
As a Huge Flyers Fan Since The 90's This is a Very Good Documentary With The 6 Teams From the 1940's Till 1966 With The New 6 Teams With The California Seals Folding Pittsburgh Came Close To Folding in 1975!
Without Mario . The Pens would have been relocated to Florida for sure !
Pbiblueguy3144 True He Saves Their Butts 2 Times FYI!
The Seals moved to Cleveland I seem to remember. Then they merged with the North Stars.
William Mark Dyer True The League Tried Moving The North Stars To California Before the Sharks Came!
William Mark Dyer I'm from Cleveland I wish the NHL could be established in Cleveland
The Quebec Bulldogs moved to Hamilton, renamed the Tigers. But the Tigers moved after a few seasons when a player's strike had them threaten to sit out the season. A New York bootlegger (Keep in mind, prohibition was in effect), Bill Dwyer bought the team and moved them to New York to play in MSG III, named the Americans, the team suspended operations in 1942 due to player shortages because of World War II, and never made a comeback, officially folding in 1946.
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Sam Federman Yes, after the 2021-22 season.
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It's time for another expansion with the Quebec Nordiques, Seattle Sealions, Las Vegas Aces, Hamilton Tigers, Houston Aeros, Kansas City Scouts, Atlanta Thrashers, Cleveland Barons, Portland Polar Bears, Hartford Whalers, Indianapolis Rebels, San Francisco Seals, Norfolk Admirals, Brooklyn Americans, Kingston Caribous, Omaha Wolverines, Baltimore Blades, Milwaukee Moose, Boise Monsters, Oklahoma City Pickaxes, Richmond Ramblers, Louisville Gunners, San Antonio Rampage, Montreal Maroons, Rochester Robins, Salt Lake City Alpines, Saskatoon Sasquatch, Providence Steamrollers, Mississauga Norsemen, Memphis Cougars, Maine Huskies, Cincinnati Mohawks, Austin Wranglers, Halifax Arctic Foxes, Sacramento Rovers, Chicago Icebreakers, Regina Rage, Oakland Bulldogs and Charlotte Checkers... or maybe just two of these teams.
4WFTB If it doesn't snow or get cold enough to form ICE year after year, that city does not need an NHL team. Hockey is a winter sport and has no place in a tropical climate ( or a desert climate) like come the fuck on already
Luke Cawston I agree, simply because most of the potential fan base of kids with their heroes can't get out on their skates and play hockey where's there's no ice. As a kid, I was enthralled with the Atlanta Flames and was sick to see them move to Calgary. In Atlanta, there was no real way to pretend to be those guys, to skate on frozen ponds, build back yard mini rinks, to have local "little league" teams, etc. Perhaps the roller blade type skates can sort of mimic but do not react and cut in like steel. It's very difficult to build a real dedicated/devoted fan base without kids being able to play and love the sport, who then grow into the adults who support the sport while breeding and teaching a new generation of kids who love the sport.
Honestly i would like to see the NHL add two teams, one in Seattle and one in Quebec. Because it would create four divisions of all eights teams each.
(Add Seattle to the Pacific Division add Quebec to the Atlantic Division and move Detroit to the Central Division)
When I lived in Everett (just north of Seattle), I supported that minor league team there. It seemed to have a fairly good draw and decent fan base. So yeah, there are some hockey fans in the area for sure. There are also hockey fans in Atlanta -- just enough to lose two NHL teams. I think Seattle would probably be in the same category and especially so considering it's already a major league city - Seahawks, Mariners, Sonics -- and having those other major sports teams does make a major difference in fan support in an area where there's no winter ice. Nashville has a great fan base and hockey support, so maybe , as well as the Panthers down in Florida, due to that being, at least in part, kinda the only game in town. Of course I could be mistaken and a Seattle team could completely rock the NW. I would love that. I just don't see it happening. I think it would struggle to get support and then eventually move or fold.
You mention the Sonics as a Seattle team, what unfortunately isn't the case anymore. I guess NHL will do fine in Seattle. Nate Silver calculated Seattle being the best city in USA for an NHL expansion. It is currently the biggest city with just two major sport teams. It creates a rivalry between them and Vancouver (who aren't in the MLB and NFL). The recent addition of a MLS team in Seattle is doing great, so great it's even ranked the most valuable of teams in the MLS. The local economy is doing great recently, the city is growing. And the NHL is played in the winter what gives it an own space on the calendar between the NFL season and the MLB and MLS seasons.
The one reason the NHL is American-centric: population. Higher population centers, a larger potential audience, more potential revenue. I do believe Canada needs to remain representative (a new franchise in Quebec City I think would be excellent for the game), but I do see why the league has gone into the southern markets.
If The Cities Of Seattle And Quebec Ever Get New NHL Teams I'm Sure Garry Bettman Would Be Saying "I Know Hockey Fans Have Waiting a Long Time in Quebec Since 1995 While Seattle Wanted To Get a NHL Team So Badly After Talks Of The New Arena"!
Vince Niederman Seattle is getting an expansion team in 2021
they need far fewer teams--not more--I still believe they don't need so many teams in the South--especially Arizona, Dallas, Miami, Carolina, Tampa Bay (Atlanta has flopped twice)-all these teams dilute the talent and the game has suffered because of it
Bettman doesn't want a team in Quebec it will take a new commissioner to get one there
Correction on the 1917 Toronto team. It wasn't the Blueshirts, but the Arenas. The Blueshirts were in the NHLs predecessor league, the NHA, and were owned by a venturing, though ultimately corrupt and inept businessman, named Eddie Livingstone. Livingstone so ticked off the other owners that they decided to form a new league, the NHL, and not invite Livingstone 's team into it, leaving the NHA as a one team league, the Toronto Blueshirts. LOL!
The Leafs are the direct descendants of the Arenas and its Irish-owned, greenshirt successors, the St Pats. When Conn Smythe took over the team in 1926, he wanted it in British blue, and renamed it the Maple Leafs, since the Blueshirts name was still owned by Livingstone.
The year 1999 was my favorite unborn year as it marked the announcement of the blue jackets
@2:40 No Kidding! How the NHL remained a 6 team league all the way to 1967 is beyond any comprehension. From a fan's point of view, having insight into European sport leagues with 16 teams, relegation and promotion, international cup competitions it must have been a terrible, boring predicament to be a fan back in those days. It's not like the economy of North America could not support more franchises.
Funny, no mention of the whereabouts of the Oakland Seals who first went to Cleveland to become the Barons then merged with the Minnesota North Stars. So, essentially a failed franchise.
They eventually became the Dallas Stars and won the cup.
I thought they became the San Jose Sharks...but the Minnesota part would suggest you're right.
David Parada Known for a bit as the California Golden Seals.
Triple crown line
Major gaffe about Clarke. He was drafted in the '70 draft, not '74.
Also, the Seals were almost moved to Vancouver in '68 during the season.
Imagine If The Seals Moved to Vancouver After Playing in Oakland After The First Season?
@@vinceniederman The Leafs had territorial rights , and that stopped the in-season move.
@@williamgessler1759 Yup and Shame The Seals Weren’t Good At Times!
Funny how a lot of the expansion team goals are against the hapless Leafs.
+Canadian MGTOW The leafs were not hapless in the late 60's
+Abraham Lincoln ,lol, yes , but they have been hapless ever since then , that's almost 50 years of "Haplessness" lol
+Abraham Lincoln They've just been hapless since the early 70's till now ;)
Guy Incognito
Have you been drinking?
You're aware the Leafs were the defending Stanley Cup champs in 67?
I'm still trying to figure how Nashville's yellow or white and yellow jerseys work and Pens and Bruins yellows/gold work but LA's NHL yellows hasn't been figured out in a way to work
Los Angeles scrapped the purple and gold after the 87/88 season and went to black and silver the day Wayne Gretzky was traded there
Instead of Oakland, a team in Seattle or Vancouver in 1967 would have been better.
I’m surprised it took as long as it did for Seattle to get a team, I mean Vegas got a team before that and the Pacific Northwest looks like prime hockey territory
Agree. It makes sense though. In the late 60s and early 70s, the NHL was competing against the Western Hockey League which had almost all influence in the Pacific Northwest, including having the Seattle Totems and Vancouver Canucks
@@metrofilmer8894 but it’s good that Seattle is getting a team now and with a cool name too
@@brandonmaddox4862 Let's Get Kraken!
Good video!
Glen Hall was a cerebral man!
32:21 to 34:13 is the best part of this documentary. Greatest success of any of the new expansion teams.
The NHL should be
Smythe: Calgary Edmonton Vancouver LA Seattle Portland Colorado
Norris: Minnesota St Louis Detroit Chicago Wisconsin Winnipeg Saskatchewan
Adams: Montreal Toronto Hamilton Ottawa Buffalo Boston Hartford
Patrick: Pittsburgh Philadelphia NYR NYI New Jersey Washington
Add Quebec, drop Ottawa in the Adams
Nah, The NHL has never been greater.
@@dmannevada5981 nhl was way better about 25 years ago
I wonder how long this documentary would be if it included the rules for each wave of expansion. What did the new franchise pay for the team? What did the existing teams have to give up via expansion draft? Who was protects and which players were left exposed?
This video is a joke, there's like 30 minutes on the Flyers, even 5 minutes on the Florida Panthers and zero on the Buffalo Sabres which are barely mentioned.
Penguins are the most successful of the expansion teams
Could be because The Flyers were first expansion team to win a Cup. Took them only 6 years. Hated them at the time but looking back it was great for NHL. There was good documentary about that team somewhere on UA-cam.
Dallas has a steady fan base? is that why they ranked second to last in attendance last season?
And the sad thing is that the last year before expansion was the last time the Leafs won the Stanley Cup.😁
Boo boo boo😧
How is it a sad thing
I think it's hilarious. Fuck Toronto
Sounded like he said Jack Can't Cook 😂😂😂 9:22
I'm coming to you live from 2019, and all I have to say is that the NHL learned nothing about putting a team in Atlanta
The city isn’t the problem, it’s the owners, and their lack of marketing. If hockey can succeed in California, Texas, Florida And now Carolina, it can easily succeed in Atlanta Georgia
@@YourHellishEntertainment Those other cities have transplanted hockey fans from all over the country. Not so with Atlanta.
Russell Guercio I disagree with you. Just watch a video based on the Atlanta flames, or Thrashers and you will see a bunch of comments from that fanbase wishing their team was back. Rappers were even wearing Thrasher jerseys. The ECHL team in Atlanta is doing amazing money wise
@@YourHellishEntertainment hopefully the thrashers comeback as a new expansion team
I was a youth league player in Birmingham, AL and was a HUGE Thashers fan, as were many of my friends growing up. It was a tough pill to swallow (and still is) when they moved to Winnipeg. The fan base was there, but the marketing and interest from the owners was not.
It's sad to watch this durring a lockout. :(
Talent was thin in Pittsburgh... then they realised they just tank the season and get one greatest future legends of the game
Did it twice.
I've seen this before and it's pretty good. I'm no fan of Bettman but maybe people who blame him for everything should watch this. There were 14 teams in the NHL before Canada got their 3rd team. This league has always been more about the US markets for whatever reason.