They Tried to Climb an Active Volcano: 2022 KAMCHATKA TRAGEDY
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- A group of 12 hikers decided to ascent Klyuchevskaya Sopka Volcano located in Russia’s Kamchatka region. Only 3 of them survived… What happened and who is to blame?
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Every time people perish on a mountain, why do people always looks for someone to blame? If you make a decision to climb a giant active ice volcano, you know the risk you’re taking. Unpredictable things happen on mountains that even a great guide cannot be prepared for, especially when the people they are guiding are inexperienced.
My sister was hiking up a mountain in Hawaii in the dark hours of the morning. They were on a very strict schedule because they wanted to take selfies at the top when the sun rose. My sister lost her footing and almost fell to her death. It's best not to rush any sort of climb. Being alive is more important than anything else.
Dangerous selfies. Gosh so glad for you she made it
Lol she'd never live it down, literally
Stupid millennials and their selfies 😂 surprised she wasn't in heels
@@Anonymous38572 Nice word play. Bravo!!
@@truenokill I'm glad, too! It would have been devastating to lose my sister. Even though I have four. Lol They all matter to me!!
While the company is somewhat to blame, the fact that guide Ivan Alabugin was detained is absolutely ridiculous. He was hired to do a job, and did his best. In fact, he kept his specific clients safe, then heroically attempted to rescue and save the others. Charging him accomplishes absolutely nothing, and will do zero to improve safety, or make climbing safer anywhere on the planet. Someone in the outdoor community needs to start a GoFundMe for Ivan.
Did you not listen? Rushed acclimatization, no official credentials, attempting to summit in bad weather, not enough guides per client. I don’t know the full story so i cannot say that he is definitely to blame or not, but that’s what the investigation is for.
literally a copy of someone else's comment.
Mother Russia must have its vengeance
I think it disgraceful that the second guide who brought the other two hikers down was also imprisoned for manslaughter. When he heard of the incident he went back up the mountain to help. How in gods name does he bare any responsibility?
I also thought it telling that the guides were arrested and charged before the official investigation had really began. Typical "guilty until proved innocent" mentality. This comes with the "Nanny" State.
He was still part of the original group that didn't have enough guides and allowed the acclimatization to be rushed.
The two guides would have the final say and so the group should not have been broken up. If two persons couldn’t make it up to the summit, then the whole group should’ve stayed behind and descend. That’s the first fatal mistake. The guides did not take into consideration the safety of the whole group.
The second fatal mistake is when the second group went up and the ropes were not secured into the rock and ice. That’s not negligence on the part of that guide, that is potential manslaughter - If one hiker falls, then he takes the whole group with him and that is what happened. The guide who stayed behind with the other two persons was courageous- it is tragic that his courage was not matched With leadership ability.
@@oldgysgt Russia is not a nanny state. It's a thug state.
Initial responsibility for climbing without proper acclimatization and roped without securing the rope.
They were alpine glacier climbing. You don’t secure to the ground for that. You rope together exactly as they did. They likely didn’t train much together in fall arrest techniques, and they were desperately trying to get to the summit when they should have turned back.
@trollolol A group skilled in Ice ax, fall arrest techniques will protect each other as trained. An unskilled group, roped together for show will be fine. Till one person falls. Then they all go because they lack the fall arrest skills. Of course, at the end of the day, we don't know what happened to them.
@trollolol I think he's mistaking it with fixed rope like you'd have on some himalayan climbs. But yeah, you don't do that for climbing like this. That said, 9 on 1 rope is A LOT. Otherwise I totally agree, what is needed is people being more conscious about the risks, skills involved, being willing to turn back if the weather gets worse or their strenght is not sufficient, not more regulation which would anyway only meant more bribes and red tape. Especially in Russia.
@trollolol Joe Simpson and Simon Yates
@@JadedBelle read Joe's book and watched the recreation with him narrating Touching the Void.
@@lisaperry5999 Yes I have...both several times. Such a fascinating though unfortunate situation. The physical and the psychological strength that was required is unreal.
As far as I got it, they were walking up a glacier. Being roped together and moving simultaneously is a very classical technique for glacier walks, we use it all the time. A very similar technique is used on rock/mixed alpine routes and called simul-climbing. The idea is that if one of the climbers falls into a crevasse, the others can arrest the fall and pull him/her out. If the terrain gets too steep and the climbers estimate that the fall of one can lead to the entire rope's fall, they have to switch to pitch-climbing. Surely, I don't know if, in the case of the story, the terrain was too steep for safe simul-climbing. Maybe it was. But to tell that pitch-climbing is a must in general, is not correct. It is, in fact, very, very rarely used in glacier moving.
Is it safe to rope that many up all together? Or would it have been safer to break the roped group into 4 + 4? Asking because I'm genuinely curious.
Yes but ... when a group of climbers is crossing a glacier they will spread themselves apart on the rope, so that if one suddenly falls into a hidden crevasse the others will a) not fall straight into the same crevasse b) have time to try to anchor themselves, using crampons and ice axe, so they can try to hold the fall. A climbing rope is typically 50 metres. 9 climbers on on 50 metre rope works out at about 6 metres apart, which is too close. PS I have been alpine climbing, and nearly fallen in a crevasse.
@@nycine6172 Indeed, 4+4 is always better than 8 altogether. From purely safety point of view, there's no big difference unless there's avalanche danger (then the 4+4 has many advantages). From practical point of view 4+4 is better because it will allow longer rope between the climbers (we rarely use ropes longer than 50 m).
@@DrewWithington Yes, I agree, 9 climbers on the same rope is exaggerated. Unless you have only one rope, of course.
@@nycine6172 guess there might be thoughts went on with 1 guide 8 clients. If split into 2, whom to lead/manage/safe guide the 2nd group?
Things you do for money... really shouldn't risk people's life like that. But when you paid to go up the mountain, for many maybe a hard call not getting what they want. And once you received money from the clients, maybe your bargaining power weakens, even if you're speaking of truth.
72000 rubles is 1150 us dollars for all my American friends! Love the video!
Tnanx.The narrator is lazy....
👍🏽...hoped all the videos on channel could/ would dish out to viewers the u.s.conversions.....
rethinkn .... I should prolly comment for my own lazy
' metric - challenged ' self 😔😡🤔
This comment should be number one.
recently we had an accident here in MT shasta california USA where a guide with 2 tourist who never climbed before had accident on a glissade. the guide was tied couple while trying to traverse the glissade when the women tourist slipped and her rope pulled the guide and the other tourist. the man was able to use his ice axe and was able to stop him self, but the guide and the women fell 2500 down this glissade. the guide and the other women died and the womens husband was the only survivor only because he was able to use his ice axe in time.
this accident started a debate of how inexperienced climbers put not only their lives at risk, but their guides and they should not be doing things they have never done before.
MT shasta is an easy climb for most experienced climbers. a guide is someone who shows the path. they are not there to instruct or help people climb who never climbed before.
I’m fine if stupid people want to put their own lives in danger. But they shouldn’t expect guides and rescuers to endanger their own lives just because they were too stupid to think their plan through.
Very interesting I'll have too look that up I spent a few years in dunsmuir in my teens and always wanted to climb Shasta.
At some point everyone had not climbed before, was inexperienced, we all have to start somewhere, if you only allow "experts" then there will be no new climbers.
The guide should always take some responsibility for assessing the fitness and competency of prospective clients, though. The guide presumably knows well what difficulties and hazards will be involved in the climb. They should have the integrity to deny their services to those who they can tell are not fit and competent enough to complete the climb. If the climbers are too inexperienced or unfit physically, the guide should recommend they train first by attempting much easier climbs first.
@@isabellaangeline2175 that's why they pay a guide who can make the right calls and say if too dangerous. That's the guides job so the only way to put a guides life at risk is if the tourist lies about their skills or experience. If not lying the guide is putting the tourist at risk.
Glacier travel is very hazardous and obviously the members of this group were not qualified to be on this glacier. All the climbers should have at least some training in crevasse rescue. The climb should not have proceeded once one guide had to descend. That being said one doesn’t anchor to the rock or ice during glacier travel. The animation depicts the installation of a bolt used in sport climbing, totally not applicable in this case. The team ropes together as was done. They shouldn’t have roped as one group, however. Two groups of four would be more appropriate. However both groups need to be knowledgeable in crevasse rescue. If one member breaks through an ice bridge or unseen crevasse the other members of the roped team should be able to arrest the fall. Once arrested the climbers on the surface should know how to set up a pulley like system to assist the fallen climber out of the crevasse.
All true. I took classes on mountains to learn this, rehearsed over and over. But what I found on one trip is that some people lose focus, don’t pay attention, forget simple things. Like how to yell “falling” or how to drop and anchor the axe when you hear that. I was second on a rope, got suddenly yanked off my feet,managed to get my axe buried. Then I look around- this gal fell through behind me and didn’t yell, the two below her were just gawking and the “leader” in front ran past me to haul the girl out. All these people were on one rope anchored only by one axe.
Never went with any of them again. It really brought the books to life, how accidents happen on mountains.
I was raised in the mountains and have never heard of doing acclimatizing hikes at 15k. Did these people just arrive or just out of shape? I live in the flat lands now but still do 14ers as a day hike. Granted everyone reacts to altitude differently but that seems like alot of wasted energy for a novice group.
I wonder if you could do a video about an incident that happened in colorado around 1980. My brother in law's brother Died roped with others. How many people passed away I'm not sure.
Jess Donnell was his name. He was in a Program that took inner city teens to the mountains. Apparently they had come to some snow or ice and they weren't experienced in that respect.
Thanks for your consideration !
Love your work. Carry on and Be well...
I find a lot of people push themselves to get to a certain point. Which is fine but they never think that they have to do the same on the return. It's difficult but you have to get the experience of turning back before you feel exhausted. It's a very difficult thing to do.
This.
I learned this riding a bicycle, good advice
I have never felt like I was missing something by not climbing mountains. I can’t imagine wanting to go up there.
The views , the air , the pov
Mountains in Banff are safe and sooooo worth the 6-8 hour walk.
There are safe hikes, but you need to research and go in good weather. Hiking junkies often forego precautions or rush leading to these incidents. Ironically people like you with the most anxiety are the safest to hike with because they will bail at the first sight of danger. I had to hike a too steep for my comfort slope once so my husband and sister let me go first and control the pace so we went slow and safe. The views were mesmerizing which made them not look at the ground and stumble on rocks which had me freaking out and reminding them to watch their step every 30 seconds and point out every slippery rock.
Mountain climbing is much safer than cave diving. Volcano climbing is the more dangerous version of mountain climbing.
Cool
Archie's Archive is my go to source for all mountain disasters. I especially love that your focus is throughout Russia. My paternal Koreski ancestral homeland is Primorskiy Krai, Russia.
The funny story of how Kamchatka got its name is from the Russian-Koreskis that first settled there. As soon as they arrived, the volcanoes, earthquakes, extreme cold and weather, and all natural hazards was taken it account and they exclaimed 'Aygo Kamchatka 아이고 감챁가', Korean for 'Oh so terrible, I gotta leave'.
Good story! "Aygo Kamchatka!" 😂
Any other hiking channels that are good ? I've been binging this content as well
Wow)Asiens also were there as first...
@@taylorg8509 mr.deified cross covers mountaineering and cave diving and other disasters. David snow has lots of good mountaineering content. Lots of people do the same stories and steal.feom each other..not sure who was first lol
@@taylorg8509 check out the channel ‘scary interesting’!! He does great covers of caving disasters, mountain climbing stories etc!
The second guide rushed back up the mountain to try to help the group who had fallen. He comforted his colleague as he lay dying from his injuries. It's appalling that he has been arrested and charged with manslaughter, and could end up in the notorious Russian prison system for years. I hope he has access to a good lawyer and that he will be released soon.
The guy literally participated in one - its like if you crashed a truck into a school bus and evacuated 2 children from the wreck after, but ended up killing 9. You still F'd up A LOT.
It was partially his own negligence that caused this. Just because he comforted someone he helped lead into a deadly situation doesn't make him the good guy? Lmao. It makes him responsible, and that's how he was rightfully treated.
Lawyers are what caused this mess in the first place. They put him in jail and he have to find one to get him out. Lawyers are akin to the devil
I commend this channel! Others would have dragged it out at least twice as long, with 100s of tiny, boring details, then loaded it with ads every 5 minutes. This guy tells the story, but doesn't bore us with things that don't matter. Bravo to him! Because of that I subbed to both of his channels. (He has a true crime channel too.)
Even if one of the hikers had an ice pick at the ready, there's a very little chance they could compete with the momentum of 7 other people.
a common theme with tragedy is the rush / plan ,/ time table approach .
these return flights are the real cause . having to be back for the job .
As a river guide without time, I detested that fact of clients/guests. They always KNEW it's a 5 day trip so they invariably scheduled 4 days for it and ask if the guide can row faster to get them back to their transport a half day early. "It's easy to shave a day off! I did it with the stroke of a pen!" (In your imagination!) I was a guide, not a Time Lord! I never wanted to be an a***h***e, but there were times when I wanted to quit wiping butts and turn the river's flow over to somebody else. However, I was responsible for herding the guests past hazards they would have "found" if left to their own devices. Those hazards often took them where it was only an oar stroke between life and death. My job was to make that difference in their lives, every time, without fail, exposing them to just enough apparent (as opposed to real) hazard that they would return with the memory of a good time, great thrills, beautiful rivers & canyons, fun people and good food. Regardless of how much fun they were having, clients never afforded the guides the luxury of enough time to make it an even better trip.
@@villagelightsmith4375 And I bet, most of those clients never knew, how hard u fought to keep them safe from themselves, and went home bitching about, how u barely got them back in time for their flight.
Im not a pro like u, but I know for sure, that u dont rush nature. Either have the time to do it the safest way at natures pace, or cut it short and go home or dont go at all. Mother Nature does not give a fig about ppls schedules and airfares and all that crap.
I wonder if any of this happened because those who did not turn back wanted to do the ascent because of the financial costs they incurred for getting to this adventure? Many times people will push ahead in unfavourable conditions because of the amount of money they spent preparing for and getting to their adventure area. Often times this leads to tragedy.
I think I heard the guy say that some of the climbers already bought plane tickets home for the 9th. If they missed the flight,they would have to pay extra.
Always
Very tragic. RIP & condolences to their family, friends & colleagues.
Thank you for your narrations. I listen to a lot of similar content but most of it seems to be the same historical events repeated by narrators, focusing on the western nations (Western Europe, US etc) .
Your narrations are more focused on the former Soviet block that did not and still do not get media attention (like this story). I found your channel today and I am amazed by the amount of content you have created about events that I've never heard of despite being very versed in history, climbing and climbing disasters etc. That being said they remind me exactly of the western stories in a sense that you see the dedication to achieve something seemingly impossible, sometimes at all costs. And while such hubris can be deadly, it's beautiful to see the brotherhood that develops among climbers worldwide to lend a hand to those in need or put your on dreams on hold to ensure no one is left behind..
I can't understand why the second guide is being blamed when he wasn't there. He went up as soon as he heard to try & rescue survivors. I hope they are both released uncharged.
Because in Russia you are guilty until proven guilty. You go to jail and stay there until they decide you can go. No investigations will actually be performed and if any are actually conducted it's not in any way shape or form done in a fair manner. Once arrested you might as well just assume the worse case and get ready to live behind bars for a long time.
@@moviemaker2011z pathetic country
@Chesterfield The 3rd I don't think people understand how bad Russia really is. There's a reason why we all joke and point out about its oppressive nature...
Because that guide, as a professional, made a huge miscalculation and was a partial cause for multiple idiots dying a horrible death. That about sums it up.
He didnt have Bad intentions i think but in such a Job you have many responsibilities and peoples lifes depend on You.
As the old saying goes ... "Play silly games, win stupid prizes" ... Preparation is the best part of success.
"Git There Itis" has often led to tragedies. Being in a hurry on a tough climb is a deadly combination. These guides were criminally negligent for disobeying basic snow and ice navigation, especially the one that continued the climb. He set-up a fatal scenario that once initiated could only end up being deadly. The other guide for leaving to go down with only one guide with inexperienced and varying levels of mountain climbing. Should he go to jail...not really because he was not the one who had these people rope up together instead of just coming back down, that was totally irresponsible decision making. Always error on the side of caution.
"He tried to climb an active volcano". Who would think anything could go wrong?
How was this allowed in the first place...volcanoes are very dangerous
Reminds of one Netflix documentary I saw recently about the one in New Zeland
Driving on the highway is far more dangerous, but it's a daily part of everyone's life. Something is going to everyone, so least make it interesting. I'm an active climber and mountaineer as well as a guide and climbing is the most important part of my life. It's funny how society condemns those involved with tragedies while climbing but celebrates those who are successful in their attempts. Food for thought
@@whitmanrabren1175 Do you climb active volcanoes?
@@Mara-d2x I do.
There is a fine line in all adventures with anyone, between being a glorious story and memory or a tragic headline and statistic.
This channel is remarkable, deserves a million subscribers and likes.
Nope.
@@guardrailbiter 🤓
There are a lot of channels like this but idk, there is something about this guys voice that keeps me coming back.
Thank you for narrating clear the story and respectful of not having loud background music.
I really enjoy the way the narrator puts his head in a bucket whenever he quotes someone.
I've been away for a bit and got a notification for this video. I'd forgotten how awe-inspiring your videos are. Thank you for making them. I'd begged for the Dyatlov Pass video, so I'm going to watch that next.
Well done video. I love how you bring us stories we haven't heard before.
You might be interested in doing a video on White Island eruption in 9 Dec 2019. It was a terrible event that took 22 lives.
I watched that one. Very sad but well documented.
Could you imagine being in a crevasse 500m from a mountains peak… and instead of just worrying about freezing to death but also the possibility of your crevasse filling with lava 😅💀
Which is worse? Lol
@@SuperLio333 honestly I’d be more scared of the lava. I have already excepted the possibility of freezing to death or falling in a crevasse years ago when I decided the mountains were for me. Lava… I’ll happily look at it from a distance someday on a Hawaiian beach 😂
Imprisonment is overkill for sure. Of course, things were neglected, not done right and possibly not taken seriously. But to saddle the incident on the two people who are just trying to make a living and bring adventure to others , that isn't really fair. Any mountain climber knows the risks they're taking to be there.
The rush to get to your goal in dangerous situations has caused many deaths. Pilots call it getthereitis.
News flash people! Mountains are dangerous, you are risking your life every time you do it. That's just the reality of it. Guides or no guides.
It was a tragedy, and my heart goes out to the families of the those who didn't make it home.
Having said that, it was avoidable. Like so many tragedies, there appears not just one error or circumstance that is the cause, but rather many in a succession of poor decisions and planning. As others have noted, the speeding up of the trek - was a fatal mistake.
Just subscribed cause I found this story interesting & sad at the same time. R.I.P. their souls 🙏😔 thank you for sharing.
Rip to the victims. On a side note, i would love to visit Kamchatka someday.
Same!
Flown over it, it looks amazing from 32,000 ft.
Thanks for pointing us into the direction of your other Channel, I'll be popping by after watching this video.
i was shocked to hear they all died so suddenly. My condolences go to all concerned
Over an active volcano..am not shock
Kamchatka is a cursed name. A repair ship named Kamchatka was a perpetual thorn in the side of the imperial Russian fleet en route to Port Arthur during the Russo Japanese war.
I first heard of Kamchatka over a decade ago. They say that it is as beautiful as it is potentially perilous. Unfortunately I can only ever dream of going. I have too many physical limitations. I can only watch from afar through the eyes of others.
I wonder if whomever filmed that b-roll of the mountain at 22:00 noticed the bears in the shot or not. Maybe that's why they took that particular chance of revealing the mountain from behind the knoll, on which blumbles along a big brown bear with baby behind.
Almost didn't even catch how much there is to appreciate in that little piece of cinematographic splendor.
Thanks. I didn't see it myself.
Good catch! I missed them completely watching on my mobile, but even looking at it again on a computer it looks like the mountain was the focus for the shot... the cinematographer doesn't track with the bear's path at all, so I suspect they didn't notice them until afterwards. Lucky shot of a mama & baby bear!
Can you point out the bear if you can, I cant see it. Thank you
@@NettiieB @ 22:04 - if you look at the rocky shoreline that's at the bottom of the screen, the bears start out near the middle & as the boat gets closer you can see them moving towards the bottom-right side of your screen. You'll need to watch it on a computer because they are very small in the shot & well camouflaged in that rocky area!
@@medea27 Ah yes I see it, with the baby following! Thank you
I guess you could call human stupidity a tragedy....
stories like this make me realize earth is far from tamed
So tragic that this happened to the climber’s
Seeing the summit is like seeing a yellow light; you're not nearly as a close as you think but you speed up because the idea of waiting another round isn't appealing. Unfortunately, summits are yellow lights that turn to red - or green - lights in an instant. Best to slow down, stop and wait to see if conditions improve or turn back ASAP.
Welp I will cross climbing an active volcano off my to do list
Rushing up knowing bad weather is coming, road too disaster.
I absolutely disagree with the second guide getting charges pressed. How is he guilty of an accident that he was not present for? He made the responsible, correct decision and now he’s paying the price for it. He couldn’t force the rest of the group to wait with him.
Having volcanoes on your coat of arms is badass tbh...
Beautiful views of the area, no wonder the climbers wanted to try. But inexperience of paying climbers was fatal - perhaps exacerbated by not enough guides, certainly fatal because of rushing. It astonishes me that no one had the basic knowledge of physics to know the danger of roping nine climbers together without anchoring the rope.
That is not exactly right. Roping together on glaciers is always done because of the danger of crevasses. This is done for two people and also for eight at least, and it becomes safer with every person added as there is more collective weight to counterbalance a potential fall. Even on steep glaciers this is common. Anchoring the rope is also a lot of effort, placing ice screws takes valuable time. Sometimes it is impossible to place any if there is lots of snow on the ice. Older snow layers can become quite hard, too hard to dig through multiple times, but rarely enough to hold a screw.
Sometimes the decision is made to unrope, usually on very steep slopes were there is no chance of stopping a fall anyway. That decision is up to the climbers and still the chance of catching a fall is higher with more people.
Yes, these guys still might have screwed up but the practice in itself is very well established and makes sense in most cases.
Beautiful views with a deadly volcano what are people thinking
Mountains are for only those with a death wish, I don’t think a “strong spirit” is gonna do the trick.
Why is this video so dark? Or is it just my screen?
I agree. The last few vids he’s put out were way to dark.
ice graphics 👌
@@juhopuhakka2351 Black Ice?
@@toserveman9265 Correcktomundo,black ice.
I think it’s crazy overreach to charge crimes when people die by accident doing something inherently dangerous
God bless the heroic rescuers and those who stayed with the hurt and dying, who went back, to save people they arguable knew little about. Human but giants in their own rights. 🙏
It is unfortunate that we spend so much time on locating and apportioning blame on people for often unforeseen shortcomings, rather than spending time fully analysing the event and its precursors.🤔
True what others said. I have to say thanks for this video especially because I have never heard of this story before
This is a clear case of "misadventure" and unpreparedness. The thing that is most difficult is how rescue crews have to risk their lives, saving people doing foolhardy things. Exploration and climbing are great, but this is just crazy. Also, the fact that the group split up so many times is usually the precursor to a disaster.
ONLY 28 volcanoes are active...... OH IS THAT ALL!!??
People do crazy things until it kills them. That’s pretty much what young people do in general.
The guide wwill suffer for ever and acted very bravely. Charging him is just wrong.
Something seems odd about putting volcanoes on the world heritage sites list...'we must preserve them!' when they're more likely to destroy humans than the other way around😂
It's a shame people have to blame anyone. If you climb mountains you put yourself in that position on purpose and if you die there's nobody to blame but yourself.
Totally agree. If you’re an adult you know what your doing. If you die then too bad but it was your choice to climb a dangerous mountain. They call it dangerous for a reason!
Lol no.
Rushing to finish to save money on plane tickets + knowing bad weather was coming + separating groups + not acclimatizing + lacking guides + active glacier volcano.
Really, what could go wrong?
Really liked the graphics!
Well, what I can say , two years ago I was climbing Mt. Kazbek in Georgia and I remember that the worst kind of climbers were Russians. They went up without any strategy or rules , very big groups tied to just one rope , they didn't seem to worry or care about anything even about people around. They were ignoring normal routes or even blocking returning path because they used it to climb up instead of the way down. They seemed stupid completely. Normally there are just 2-4 people tied to one rope according to European mountaineering standards and if there is a bigger group, you have to split them depending on the number of guides. In the case like this when one guide had to go down and there was another one left for 8 people, the whole group should have gone down without any hesitation because simply there were too many people for just one guide tied to one rope. By the way isn't it strange they didn't forsee the storm in the weather forcast? They probably didn't plan anything through , breaking all the rules of climbing and mountaineering. (edit: I have just watched the whole video and they speak about the same)
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Roping together with more people is still commonplace. Depends on the steepness if it makes sense or not.
I know that shitting on Russia is the current thing, but to imply every Russian mountaineer is "stupid", and "the worst kind of climbers" seems excessive. I understand you're most likely, probably, the most competent, experienced, skilled, and all around the most perfect climber to have ever existed. Every other climber in the world can't quite compare to your unrivaled greatness. I mean, they only have a few world renowned climbers. Maybe some day they'll be as good as you.
@@rogerscurlock2927 I think they are just addressing the CULTURE of Russian climbing. No one hates Russians because of the invasion. Most of us feel like they are hostages of putin.
Damn right, sounds like typical russian tourists xD
Mountains and volcanoes are not for tourists…they are for seasoned professionals.
Not even professionals are safe ..we could never fight nature
Nice graphics 👌
👊👍💪🍻
I knw you're going to make a video about this!
Aww it’s just heartbreaking. They all deserve to live on but the incredibly unpredictable nature of life is heartbreaking.
I love the way you pronounced, “treacherous” 😂 👌🏼
Kamchatka was also the name of a ship that was lost with all hands in the Ruso-Japanese war. Basically, avoid anything bearing this name
Including the vodka
A guy who basically saves two lives and risks his own by going back up to the rescue of others, receives frostbite, barely survives, gets prison time? are we really that damned as species?
It was my home. Always are. I visited it in 2022.Yes, a week before the disaster. I'd go to save them if I could.
It's also necessary for each adventurer to be trained in all safety rules and insure guides are expert and detail exactly what methods are to be implemented
Just to say I've just found your channel and love it! Greetings from the UK.
Negligence clearly 💯
Let's climb an active Volcano they said. It'll be fun they said.... Nuts, just plain nuts...
35,000 people attempt to climb a very famously still active volcano every single year. You might have heard of it, it's called Kilimanjaro.
The idea that Climbing an active volcano is unusual is rediculous
They just got really really unlucky.
Great comment
It’s for those who want to climb over 5k meters but not have to deal with a lot of ice
Just curious, whats 20m/second in mph?
What an excellent presentation 👍
Will definitely check out more from this channel
I like to enjoy watching volcanoes’ from a goodly, safe distance. Would NEVER have gone on day trip to White Island, NZ with a Level 2 danger in place. It was allegedly irresponsible of the cruise line those people were on, & the day trip company they boated to the island.
A phreatic eruption is water turned to steam, & the injuries’ sustained are absolutely horrific. Some folk died in a way I won’t describe, as it’s beyond horrific.
These videoes’ are very interesting, as not heard of any of them, I suppose due being in former-USSR.
A common denominator seems to be that the weather was foul to start with, & yet they continued to start their trekking up the mountain(s). Very bad decision.
That was a horrible story!! 😵💫😮💨😪
it´s usually because of the language barrier
Thanks for another great and well-researched video.
the hubris of some people... "hmm... i want to go to one of the most dangerous places on earth. i will do zero research of my own, thus i'm unable to call out unsafe decisions, and just blindly trust the people who benefit financially from me going. What could go wrong?"
Do you actually got a pictures from Kachatka? Because in video it doesnt look like Kamchatka
Sadly they played with their lives!
You should really recheck you´r sources or talk to experienced people because i noticed sometimes your info about mountaineering is wrong. When mounting a terrain like that, being roped together without additional hooks is completely normal. You are trained to arrest the fall of your team members. Mounting glaciers the way these people did is perfectly normal. They were probably just not trained well when it comes to arresting the fall of a teammember. It needs some serious strength and quick reflexes to do so.
This is a type of person that I truly do not understand. Extreme mountaineering sounds miserable, has such a high risk, and if anything goes wrong you put dozens more people at risk to come save you. The accomplishment and view would never be worth it for me.
Never blame the guide he worked for a company that didn't train him right I'm sure the guide had no idea how dangerous his decisions were to the group. Most people that do extreme sports have a special bond right away because they trust with their lives, at least from my experience.
Yes, he was undertrained, underpaid and STILL took the responsibility for the lives of other even less trained people most of whom ended up dead. Even in the US it would be classified as unintended manslaughter
@@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я extremely true however in the US they would go after the company and not usually the guide. Kinda like how they don't go after police that straight up murder people. They go after the city instead.
9 people on one rope is nuts and totally unsafe.
I don't understand what they see in the idea of climbing a volcano or even a mountain. It sounds Luke a total bore, an exceptionally dangerous one. Nothing can be more boring..😒😒😒🙄🙄😕
15:35 It's not uncommon to rope up and not belay when crossing a glacier, although it is dangerous it can work. Ideally, you're far enough apart on the rope that people have time to react in case someone falls through. Belaying is the safest way, but sometimes alpinists choose techniques that allow for faster movement over slower, otherwise safer methods. It may be because it's not a very safe place to be stationary due to perceived avalanche risk, it may be because good weather/daylight windows are short and if you take the time to build anchors and set up a belay for the less technical/vertical pitches, you'll get caught in a storm and be in real trouble. Also, ice screws and cams are not as bomber as expanding bolts in rock, put a big enough fall factor on that kind of gear and it will rip out... so maybe your leader takes a high fall-factor whipper and the metal warming up is starting to melt the ice touching the screw threads, so your anchor rips out of the ice. What then?
There is also a hybrid system called 'simul-climbing' where you tie to the same rope and the leader places gear and attaches the line to it. that way the equipment acts as a fulcrum (i guess), and the weight of the climbers counterbalance each other in case of a fall. The follower removes the gear and stows it, but there's no true belayer. If the leader falls, the follower is pulled towards (or potentially *into* if they're unlucky) the gear above them stopping the fall with their weight or their harness jamming in the carabiner. If the follower falls, the leader gets yanked off the wall towards (or again, possibly into) the piece of gear below them... definite potential for injury in either position haha. I have simul-climbed a few times before but thankfully never experienced a fall in either position. All of this is part of a larger body of rope-work knowledge that you need to do this sort of thing... you might simul-climb for a kinda-sketchy section until the leader gets to a ledge and sets up a belay so you can cross in relative safety. Doubtless these are the skills the guides had, and yet they still fell prey to the mountain. It's not an environment you can conquer, only survive.
Love your content, keep it up!!
Interesting technical information, thank you!
Who would have thought Russians would do something stupid and irresponsible in 2022🙄
Yeah, we can be happy for Andrey, he died doing something he loved instead of being drafted month later as an ex military..
They didn't do any stupid thing!
Putin warned Nato since 2014 that he wouldn't allow rockets from nato on his doorstep! Americans and Nato want DESPERATLY WWIII for their NW ORDER but they don't want to be the bad guys in the eyes of the world so they provoke Putin in all kind of ways and then slander him as the guilty one!!!
For us half deaf folk the constant drone is an annoyance
I kept looking to see if it was my phone ringing.
My first thought was how could climbing an active volcano go wrong......
I think strict regulation, certification and millions in rescue insurance is necessary because most mountain climbers are now environmental researchers or preservationist or scientists. Just a bunch of thrill seekers climbing a mountain to prove they can. Most are not contributing anything to the greater good if humanity. Everest is a polluted disaster. They carry all the rubbish in to climb the mountain but exiting the mountain with their rubbish is just to costly and hard work and no glory and fame in cleaning up after yourself. They risk the lives of resucuers so they can experience extreme cold and low oxygen just to say they climbed a mountain for no other reason than selfish fame and attention. Every man for himself with a few rare exceptions. Everest brings out the extreme narcissistic behaviors. Every climber should carry millions in insurance to cover the rescuers and their families when they get injured or lose their lives saving moronic climbers that don't care about anyone but their selfish narcissistic adventures. Put as much effort into cleaning up Everest as you would climbing it, risk your life for a more noble purpose than seeing how high you can climb. The people risking their lives to clean up Everest are the real heros not the climbers trashing the mountain to reach the summit.At least cleaning up rubbish on the mountain serves a purpose for the greater good if everyone including the environment, climbing a mountain only serves one person's needs while trashing the mountain environment.
He off your high fucking horse man, no one gives a shut about pollution on a mountain. There's no life up there, no animals that such TRASH or as you call it "rubbish" will harm. It will simply degrade within a few years and no one will be the wiser. I agree that people bring up trash and leave it there are terrible and need to keep the mountain clean but I'm not going to pull out the soap box in order to make a stink about it like you are. And just to tackle your point, rescue teams make good money and have good insurance without a doubt considering they literally risk their lives for a living. Not only that but dozens of people can get involved in rescue operations and it would be impossible for an insurance company to be able to pay out so much IF something happened to all of them. Hell it's more likely that no insurance agency would be willing to touch that seeing it as a possible loss.
What a load of crap. Many people climb mountains all over the world because they enjoy the challenge and stimulation that mountains give them in their lives. Mountains are extreme but also beautiful. I've climbed mountains in The Alps, Norway, Scotland, US and seen hardly any rubbish in the high mountains. Most mountain people have a strong environmental consciousness, some famously so e.g. Yvon Chouinard, who founded the Patagonia clothing company. Sensible climbers have insurance, which isn't cheap, but in places like the French Alps it's a lot cheaper than having to pay for a helicopter rescue in the event that something goes wrong.
Why do people want to kill themselves doing this I don't understand it!
As with so many situations and events, accidents can and do happen, even when those involved are very experienced, fully informed and well prepared in terms of safety and emergency equipment.
In this day and age, people insist in assigning blame when these sort of things happen: it's always got to be someone's fault... and generally, the finger is pointed at the guides, the tour operators etc.
But what about the people who decided to go on the climb? Whilst the tour operators accepted a mixed group of people who didn't know one another at all, to climb a mountain known to be dangerous (giving them a black mark), the climbers themselves, by trying to complete the climb speedily (because they'd bought cheap return flights due to leave on Sept 9th) must bear some of the burden for what transpired. Surely if they had any experience as climbers, they should have known that increasing the climbing pace would allow more mistakes to occur, creating a recipe for disaster, and yet, they still went ahead and did so. We can say that the tour operator should not have let the group make an ascent until they'd had time to get to know each other passably well. We can say the group should have had at least two more guides. However, it is the group of climbers, by pushing the pace of the climb, and forcing two of their number to turn back with altitude sickness, with one of the guides forced to accompany them, who must take the biggest part of the responsibility for what happened.
This may seem harsh of me, but so many times, when I hear stories like this one, it turns out that the 'victims' might have lived or escaped uninjured if only they'd taken on some of the responsibility for their own safety, and not acted in a fashion to increase the risk factor...
I completely agree. Everyone wants to blame someone else. But how does that even help this situation? Maybe so the families can sue and collect money? Compensation?Everyone on those slopes was an adult who made a choice to climb a ‘dangerous’ mountain. I don’t believe it’s the guides ‘fault’ .. if you make that choice then you have to deal with the reality you could die. But throwing the people that were trying to help you in jail is sickening and pathetic.
This is just pure stupid. They don't respect their lives.