Having too many soldiers after a war has been a problem throughout human history, I think that a large part of the helldivers in storage are probably veterans from the first war. This way, Superearth doesn't need to pay them, bring them back to earth, or even feed them.
The only problem I have with the over population theory is that it supposes that humans only come from Super Earth, but the lady on your ship has never been to Super Earth. That means most people are born on a number of colony planets we haven't seen as divers yet. The theory could still hold true, but for reasons other than one planets population. More likely certain continents on planets populations.
I have a theory regarding the Helldivers themselves; Some people seem to think they're clones, but I don't buy that. I would like to propose the idea that the helmets Helldivers wear actually "record" their stream of consciousness. Think about it: When you join a friends Super Destroyer, what are the odds they just so happen to have theoretically infinite clones of every single Helldiver currently active? Pretty slim. I posit that they just upload your consciousness to a random Helldiver in cryostasis on the host ship. When a Helldiver dies, their consciousness and memories is uploaded to another random Helldiver. Since the Helldivers in cryostasis are all fresh out of basic. It is ostensibly a form of accelerated evolution in terms of combat prowess. As you come down in the next Hellpod after being reinforced, you thaw on your way down in the Hellpod and the "new" Helldiver has learned from previous mistakes in combat. This also explains why you get to keep your rank, and why a fresh out-of-basic Helldiver would be given their own entire Super Destroyer; Because the original Helldiver is an investment in future Helldivers that come after. And regarding the bug oil; It's also a possibility that it's being used as a nutritional supplement in the food on Super Earth. This would be a way of both sustaining their overpopulation, while also having the added benefit of culling said overpopulation in order to retrieve it via dying Helldivers. It also stands to reason that Super Earth's corporations would fund such an endeavor because people need to buy food, which puts money into the pockets of aforementioned corporations. The lie is because "ew who wants to actually eat bugs". This also means the elite of Super Earth always has access to actual food like beef and pork since the "plebs" wouldn't be able to afford it normally since, if they could, they would probably consume them to extinction.
I think that Super Earth isn't really a corporation or government, perhaps they were once a number of multinational conglomerates that consolidated into a unanimous entity, and as we know from our own time we are seeing the beggining of a number of futurists' predictions of government and corporations becoming more and more intergrated. But I also think it doesn't really matter, Super Earth is a closed economy, meaning they have one universal currency and no trading partners, so it doesn't function in the same way that a traditional financial economy does. The real explanation for helldivers purchasing equipment may be the simplest, we earn credits by fighting so therefore Super Earth isn't going to alot resources to fresh recruits that are going to die in 2 minutes, perhaps by blowing themselves up with the purchased equipment, but only to soldiers who have proven survivability and combat effectiveness that will utilize the resources in a way that actually acoomplishes something. Technically this doesn't make sense because we're supposedly a new helldiver every time we die, but a little plot hole to explain us being able to die and continue fighting is admissible imo, besides which it is just a game with a traditional progression system that is also inculcated in our real world economies as you can literally buy credits for real money. That being said we also acquire things with the procured samples on the planets we visit, which makes more sense in a closed economy, we put things in so we get stuff out, incentivising helldivers to plunder as much as possible while maintaining some conservation of resources. Though we don't know much about Super Earth itself, it seems patently fascistic and from the propaganda we see there seems to be more or less total uniformity among citizens (not to mention they literally wear uniforms), so that does raise some questions as to whether private ownership (and by extension private ownership of businesses) is even a thing. Not to get too political but even if they did have a somewhat free market economy, which you take a look ata country like China which has a capatilist economy but an authoritarian state, you are certainly allowed to own a business but that business doesn't do anything without the government's say so, and thus essentially functions as an organ of the state, in some cases even as a spying apparatus. So if there is free market on Super Earth, all ghe businesses are essentially under the total control of the government anyway, which makes the government a giant corporation by default. But again, also both but not quite either.
As i said in the last vid i dont think automatons were mentioned in the tutorial before we were frozen... i think its because we were frozen well before they were even created... we are 100 years old lol
Perhaps the Helldivers are actually a recruitment program for the true elites. Perhaps if a Helldiver survives a certain number of missions they are recruited for true special forces or even being a commando.
@@VaultLore It would be an excellent program and they could either be really stealthy on their own or use the Helldivers as a smokescreen. Then if a mysterious enemy or a returning one find out about them it's too late at that point. Perhaps even have a division dedicated to the total extinction of certain threats. Could even have something like the Spartans around and make games around them.
The newly announced warbond is called "Viper Commandoes" and theyre said to be an elite Helldiver unit, so no? Helldivers are generally believed to be Super Earth's volunteer armed forces and the SEAF are conscripts
Nah im going to go with the premise that if Helldivers have to pay for their munitions and stratagems - they are nothing more than glorified slave soldiers doing the bidding of their corporate overlords of Super Earth
I wonder whats causing all the crashed aircraft on bug planets given that out side of sherikers and they were not always here. Perhaps it may be poor production quilty in seaf aircraft thats being covered up, also its interesting that when you call in a eagle even on bugs it shoots out flares despite no reason too
Crashed aircraft and Eagle-1 popping their flares upon Air Support are probs because of the Bugs' capability for Anti-Air such as their flying variants, and Traitors that control Rogue Research Stations and Illegal Broadcasts sabotaging SEAF Operations. Flares against the bugs by attracting their attention to something bright, typical bug behaviour, and against lock on anti-air from traitors.
hey nice video pal but next time maybe make the audio a little louder so its easier to adjust for helldiving background sound haha very nice doe. (hard to hear at max volume otherwise all good thank you for the video!)
I know overpopulation could be an issue but the people also live on the other planets not just super earth. I suppose they could still be overpopulated but the SEAF secures so much real estate I don't see that being the problem
Okay, here’s my take on the whole cloning theory. It shall be titled: Super Earth Actually Cares. So, what if all the satire in the game isn’t satire, but instead is meant to be sincere and well meaning? Think about it, we’ve all assumed that Super Earth is an Evil, resource hungry dystopian society that uses their citizens as cannon fodder on the battlefield. But what if nobody actually dies in the fighting? Well, no actual citizens, that is. I think it goes something like this, say there is indeed huge numbers of new recruits signing up for the SEAF, and they do indeed undergo training and are shipped off to orbit distant planets. These people are then given their own Super Destroyers and are given relative freedom to not only choose which missions they undertake, but also the difficulty involved as well. But instead of that particular enlistee going down to fight, they instead remain on the ship and remotely pilot a cloned version of themselves to fight in their place. In this scenario, we as the player represent this unknown pilot and have control over our cloned doubles. So, for every Super Earth citizen that enlists, they have a multitude of clones made of that particular person that aren’t necessarily given their own consciousness. This way, in a twisted sense, these soldiers do technically have families waiting for them back home, while no actual people are dying in combat, only these soulless replicas. One of my reasonings behind this is the cheer number of casualties the Helldivers constantly witness. Idc how large of a population they may have, a war in which already more than a billion soldiers has perished in cannot be sustained for any reasonable period of time. This would also explain why literally every destroyer has the exact same Democracy officer and same crew members on board. And the mysterious voice of Eagle-1 is the same for everyone. All clones, and Super Earth sustains no actual casualties.
Not really a theory, more of a question with a mix of theory crafting. Just how do the Terminids travel to each planet? As per the Meridia Supercolony problem, they spread via Spores that travel through Space, but the problem is aren't all planets so far apart for such a thing to happen? Maybe our own ships that were surveying the supercolony might've caught the spores in orbit and brought them down to neigbouring planets to resupply, but after all those outbreaks shouldn't the SEAF track the source and already have thought of decontaminating each ship afterwards per survey mission?Maybe the bugs have the sense of where to send their spores through space and are able to survive atmospheric entry to start infestation of another planet upon landing, but shouldn't the existing SEAF planetary defenses already deal with such threats? One exception for it would be a mass spore event like a Solar Flare that hits the planet heavily to bypass SEAF Planetary Defenses and overwhelm the Ground Forces. Veering off the Meridia Supercolony, the sources of other outbreaks still vary. Maybe the Terminids broke out of their farms and started infesting a planet, but then what would cause them to suddenly break out? Shouldn't farms of such a precious and dangerous resource be heavily guarded and have every precaution to the possibilities of an outbreak? If its caused by traitors, then what are the reasons behind their actions? Why were the initial outbreaks pre-2nd Galactic War (Pre-2nd Galactic War pertaining to the fact that High Command were only calling the war as a Special Military Operation up until recently) all synced up into selected sectors? Maybe it was more convenient for the traitors, but wouldn't it be more effective if it were spread out among the territories? Or maybe because of the theory that Super Earth deems this way of fighting as a more effective and efficient way to extract E-710 plus the additional bonus of a War-driven Economy which Big Businesses can exploit and make more money. But of course all of that would be a double-edged sword since War has some unexpected consequences. There's the possibility that the Scientists that created the Termicide had a traitor among them which messed with the solution to make Terminids evolve and divide slowly and then overnight to overwhelm the barrier planets that serve as the wall of a large E-710 Farm (that bring the entire Terminid Frontline) causing Super Earth to take action to supress the threat and cause them more trouble with Meridia and new outbreaks past the barrier planets thus foiling the profit scheme. (Spoiler Ahead) as per the leaks, we are to use some sort of Black Liquid to envelope Meridia and cause it collapse into a black hole, and new scientists are to create a new Termicide Solution to reestablish the border planets, probably.
@@Astroman3554 true, but I don’t think that the Earth’s population grew that much bigger just because they spread to other planets. I agree that they spread out and probably populated other planets, but not by much. I watched a video that talks about the death count of Helldivers 2 in comparison with other major death events, and it would take every major war, battle, and even the current population of irl Earth to outweigh our death count in the game, rn
pretty sure super earth just being a corp is just the text, not subtext. fascism is the intersection of state and capital. this can look many ways, but a corporation directly governing is actual, non-exaggeration fascism. it would be extremely thematically consistent
Hear me out I think we need a incendiary orbital strike as well as a concussive orbital strike then if we're ever going to add new armor types I would love to have a dead man's trigger for the armor so that way upon death I explode and take out as many enemies as possible that way when I do sacrifice myself it's actually worth it
If there is a bile titan on the terminids side, should there be a “normal” titan that is not a bile verson. Like with the nursing spewed and bile spewed?
The overpopulation theory is one i think is unlikely, since Super Earth has colonies all throughout the galaxy in more than 20 planets, several citizens have never even been to super earth before, and thoae planets surely have enough resources to sustain their own population of billions, especially the more jungle-like ones. If i had to estimate the population for the entirety of Super Earth controlled planets I'd put it in the multiple hundreds of billions throughout the galaxy. (So basically what you said)
I think when you are talking about the costs of airstrikes and the efficiencies gained by moving to a fusion based technology you are looking at it backwards. If super earth is actually just run to benefit corporate conglomerates, then bombs and oil are profit centers not costs. Honestly, and a little depressingly, check out President Eisenhower's military industrial complex speech for more insight into how this might work IRL.
+ 1 for less facetime. This is about helldivers so honestly just an 8 second slideshow of game art and screens would suffice. You're cute and all but you aren't my type.
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Having too many soldiers after a war has been a problem throughout human history, I think that a large part of the helldivers in storage are probably veterans from the first war. This way, Superearth doesn't need to pay them, bring them back to earth, or even feed them.
Fair point, always about staying on budget
the war that ended a hundred years ago? maybe cyro freezing is a way to preserve them
Could be. Just tell everyone they died and then just keep them frozen until needed again.
And if they claim they died they can pull more money from the families cause I believe I remember that from the contract
The only problem I have with the over population theory is that it supposes that humans only come from Super Earth, but the lady on your ship has never been to Super Earth. That means most people are born on a number of colony planets we haven't seen as divers yet. The theory could still hold true, but for reasons other than one planets population. More likely certain continents on planets populations.
I believe there are colonies mentiont in mission briefings.
I have a theory regarding the Helldivers themselves; Some people seem to think they're clones, but I don't buy that.
I would like to propose the idea that the helmets Helldivers wear actually "record" their stream of consciousness. Think about it: When you join a friends Super Destroyer, what are the odds they just so happen to have theoretically infinite clones of every single Helldiver currently active? Pretty slim. I posit that they just upload your consciousness to a random Helldiver in cryostasis on the host ship. When a Helldiver dies, their consciousness and memories is uploaded to another random Helldiver. Since the Helldivers in cryostasis are all fresh out of basic. It is ostensibly a form of accelerated evolution in terms of combat prowess. As you come down in the next Hellpod after being reinforced, you thaw on your way down in the Hellpod and the "new" Helldiver has learned from previous mistakes in combat. This also explains why you get to keep your rank, and why a fresh out-of-basic Helldiver would be given their own entire Super Destroyer; Because the original Helldiver is an investment in future Helldivers that come after.
And regarding the bug oil; It's also a possibility that it's being used as a nutritional supplement in the food on Super Earth. This would be a way of both sustaining their overpopulation, while also having the added benefit of culling said overpopulation in order to retrieve it via dying Helldivers. It also stands to reason that Super Earth's corporations would fund such an endeavor because people need to buy food, which puts money into the pockets of aforementioned corporations. The lie is because "ew who wants to actually eat bugs". This also means the elite of Super Earth always has access to actual food like beef and pork since the "plebs" wouldn't be able to afford it normally since, if they could, they would probably consume them to extinction.
I really like the consciousness idea, that’s cool!
Yea what is more cost effective. Train a new helldiver or just flash the old trained conscience into a new clone/ stored body
Also, popoulation growth target was said to be increased in the news IIRC
10:30 that will never stop being funny
Too perfect
I think that Super Earth isn't really a corporation or government, perhaps they were once a number of multinational conglomerates that consolidated into a unanimous entity, and as we know from our own time we are seeing the beggining of a number of futurists' predictions of government and corporations becoming more and more intergrated. But I also think it doesn't really matter, Super Earth is a closed economy, meaning they have one universal currency and no trading partners, so it doesn't function in the same way that a traditional financial economy does. The real explanation for helldivers purchasing equipment may be the simplest, we earn credits by fighting so therefore Super Earth isn't going to alot resources to fresh recruits that are going to die in 2 minutes, perhaps by blowing themselves up with the purchased equipment, but only to soldiers who have proven survivability and combat effectiveness that will utilize the resources in a way that actually acoomplishes something.
Technically this doesn't make sense because we're supposedly a new helldiver every time we die, but a little plot hole to explain us being able to die and continue fighting is admissible imo, besides which it is just a game with a traditional progression system that is also inculcated in our real world economies as you can literally buy credits for real money. That being said we also acquire things with the procured samples on the planets we visit, which makes more sense in a closed economy, we put things in so we get stuff out, incentivising helldivers to plunder as much as possible while maintaining some conservation of resources.
Though we don't know much about Super Earth itself, it seems patently fascistic and from the propaganda we see there seems to be more or less total uniformity among citizens (not to mention they literally wear uniforms), so that does raise some questions as to whether private ownership (and by extension private ownership of businesses) is even a thing. Not to get too political but even if they did have a somewhat free market economy, which you take a look ata country like China which has a capatilist economy but an authoritarian state, you are certainly allowed to own a business but that business doesn't do anything without the government's say so, and thus essentially functions as an organ of the state, in some cases even as a spying apparatus. So if there is free market on Super Earth, all ghe businesses are essentially under the total control of the government anyway, which makes the government a giant corporation by default. But again, also both but not quite either.
As i said in the last vid i dont think automatons were mentioned in the tutorial before we were frozen... i think its because we were frozen well before they were even created... we are 100 years old lol
Perhaps the Helldivers are actually a recruitment program for the true elites. Perhaps if a Helldiver survives a certain number of missions they are recruited for true special forces or even being a commando.
Could be!
@@VaultLore It would be an excellent program and they could either be really stealthy on their own or use the Helldivers as a smokescreen. Then if a mysterious enemy or a returning one find out about them it's too late at that point. Perhaps even have a division dedicated to the total extinction of certain threats. Could even have something like the Spartans around and make games around them.
The newly announced warbond is called "Viper Commandoes" and theyre said to be an elite Helldiver unit, so no?
Helldivers are generally believed to be Super Earth's volunteer armed forces and the SEAF are conscripts
Nah im going to go with the premise that if Helldivers have to pay for their munitions and stratagems - they are nothing more than glorified slave soldiers doing the bidding of their corporate overlords of Super Earth
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I wonder whats causing all the crashed aircraft on bug planets given that out side of sherikers and they were not always here.
Perhaps it may be poor production quilty in seaf aircraft thats being covered up, also its interesting that when you call in a eagle even on bugs it shoots out flares despite no reason too
Crashed aircraft and Eagle-1 popping their flares upon Air Support are probs because of the Bugs' capability for Anti-Air such as their flying variants, and Traitors that control Rogue Research Stations and Illegal Broadcasts sabotaging SEAF Operations. Flares against the bugs by attracting their attention to something bright, typical bug behaviour, and against lock on anti-air from traitors.
Cool guy points for flares and the bugs could shoot shone kind of acid weapons on the pelicans
Who forgott the illegal broadcast again!
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What I swear my 500kg hit it tho 😭
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I keep reporting myself, so far nothing.
hey nice video pal but next time maybe make the audio a little louder so its easier to adjust for helldiving background sound haha very nice doe. (hard to hear at max volume otherwise all good thank you for the video!)
Will do! Still figuring out audio levels! Thanks for the feedback, glad you liked the video
Letting the helldiver choose and puchase upgrades is to fold.
It keeps them in the simulation and makes money for the CORP ...
I just watched Starship Troopers for the first time, if you've never seen it check it out! So many references to that movie in HD2
Cant wait to see the video!!
I know overpopulation could be an issue but the people also live on the other planets not just super earth. I suppose they could still be overpopulated but the SEAF secures so much real estate I don't see that being the problem
Theory-
The humans farm Terminids for E710
The Illuminates farm humans for..."Dark Fluid"
The bots farm humans for organs and brains
Okay, here’s my take on the whole cloning theory. It shall be titled: Super Earth Actually Cares.
So, what if all the satire in the game isn’t satire, but instead is meant to be sincere and well meaning? Think about it, we’ve all assumed that Super Earth is an Evil, resource hungry dystopian society that uses their citizens as cannon fodder on the battlefield. But what if nobody actually dies in the fighting? Well, no actual citizens, that is. I think it goes something like this, say there is indeed huge numbers of new recruits signing up for the SEAF, and they do indeed undergo training and are shipped off to orbit distant planets. These people are then given their own Super Destroyers and are given relative freedom to not only choose which missions they undertake, but also the difficulty involved as well. But instead of that particular enlistee going down to fight, they instead remain on the ship and remotely pilot a cloned version of themselves to fight in their place. In this scenario, we as the player represent this unknown pilot and have control over our cloned doubles. So, for every Super Earth citizen that enlists, they have a multitude of clones made of that particular person that aren’t necessarily given their own consciousness. This way, in a twisted sense, these soldiers do technically have families waiting for them back home, while no actual people are dying in combat, only these soulless replicas. One of my reasonings behind this is the cheer number of casualties the Helldivers constantly witness. Idc how large of a population they may have, a war in which already more than a billion soldiers has perished in cannot be sustained for any reasonable period of time. This would also explain why literally every destroyer has the exact same Democracy officer and same crew members on board. And the mysterious voice of Eagle-1 is the same for everyone. All clones, and Super Earth sustains no actual casualties.
Theres a lot of wild theories about the game.
Too many to count
Not really a theory, more of a question with a mix of theory crafting. Just how do the Terminids travel to each planet? As per the Meridia Supercolony problem, they spread via Spores that travel through Space, but the problem is aren't all planets so far apart for such a thing to happen? Maybe our own ships that were surveying the supercolony might've caught the spores in orbit and brought them down to neigbouring planets to resupply, but after all those outbreaks shouldn't the SEAF track the source and already have thought of decontaminating each ship afterwards per survey mission?Maybe the bugs have the sense of where to send their spores through space and are able to survive atmospheric entry to start infestation of another planet upon landing, but shouldn't the existing SEAF planetary defenses already deal with such threats? One exception for it would be a mass spore event like a Solar Flare that hits the planet heavily to bypass SEAF Planetary Defenses and overwhelm the Ground Forces. Veering off the Meridia Supercolony, the sources of other outbreaks still vary. Maybe the Terminids broke out of their farms and started infesting a planet, but then what would cause them to suddenly break out? Shouldn't farms of such a precious and dangerous resource be heavily guarded and have every precaution to the possibilities of an outbreak? If its caused by traitors, then what are the reasons behind their actions? Why were the initial outbreaks pre-2nd Galactic War (Pre-2nd Galactic War pertaining to the fact that High Command were only calling the war as a Special Military Operation up until recently) all synced up into selected sectors? Maybe it was more convenient for the traitors, but wouldn't it be more effective if it were spread out among the territories? Or maybe because of the theory that Super Earth deems this way of fighting as a more effective and efficient way to extract E-710 plus the additional bonus of a War-driven Economy which Big Businesses can exploit and make more money. But of course all of that would be a double-edged sword since War has some unexpected consequences. There's the possibility that the Scientists that created the Termicide had a traitor among them which messed with the solution to make Terminids evolve and divide slowly and then overnight to overwhelm the barrier planets that serve as the wall of a large E-710 Farm (that bring the entire Terminid Frontline) causing Super Earth to take action to supress the threat and cause them more trouble with Meridia and new outbreaks past the barrier planets thus foiling the profit scheme. (Spoiler Ahead) as per the leaks, we are to use some sort of Black Liquid to envelope Meridia and cause it collapse into a black hole, and new scientists are to create a new Termicide Solution to reestablish the border planets, probably.
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Facecam is good! 👍Your cadence and sense of humor come across better.
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It’s cloning. The soldiers are cloned
There are people on planets all across the galaxy
@@Astroman3554 true, but I don’t think that the Earth’s population grew that much bigger just because they spread to other planets. I agree that they spread out and probably populated other planets, but not by much. I watched a video that talks about the death count of Helldivers 2 in comparison with other major death events, and it would take every major war, battle, and even the current population of irl Earth to outweigh our death count in the game, rn
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pretty sure super earth just being a corp is just the text, not subtext. fascism is the intersection of state and capital. this can look many ways, but a corporation directly governing is actual, non-exaggeration fascism. it would be extremely thematically consistent
Fair enough, I suppose it’s not an obvious distinction to everyone!
Hear me out I think we need a incendiary orbital strike as well as a concussive orbital strike then if we're ever going to add new armor types I would love to have a dead man's trigger for the armor so that way upon death I explode and take out as many enemies as possible that way when I do sacrifice myself it's actually worth it
The call of duty martyrdom perk haha
I want a flamethrower turret lol
If there is a bile titan on the terminids side, should there be a “normal” titan that is not a bile verson. Like with the nursing spewed and bile spewed?
Yeah seems like it would imply all other kinds of titans. Charger titans? Flying titans?
The overpopulation theory is one i think is unlikely, since Super Earth has colonies all throughout the galaxy in more than 20 planets, several citizens have never even been to super earth before, and thoae planets surely have enough resources to sustain their own population of billions, especially the more jungle-like ones. If i had to estimate the population for the entirety of Super Earth controlled planets I'd put it in the multiple hundreds of billions throughout the galaxy.
(So basically what you said)
The possibility is that maybe all planets are over crowded
Are you aware that soldiers have to buy their own uniforms and kits?
Helldivers are Clones
Disproved.
I think when you are talking about the costs of airstrikes and the efficiencies gained by moving to a fusion based technology you are looking at it backwards. If super earth is actually just run to benefit corporate conglomerates, then bombs and oil are profit centers not costs. Honestly, and a little depressingly, check out President Eisenhower's military industrial complex speech for more insight into how this might work IRL.
I’ll look into it! I guess it depends on if it’s a zero sum game when you expand the “economy” to include the galaxy/other factions.
I think the automitons are gay
Based
My current fan theory is that Arrowhead lost the will to fight and is slowly letting the game die 😓
The saddest theory of them all
@@VaultLore One of the few times where I actually want my theory to be wrong though 😅
Had well over 100k players finish the mission yesterday
Great video. One ask. Please. Never say "drill baby drill" again.
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This video is very illegal. You must go to a freedom camp for reeducation.
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+ 1 for less facetime. This is about helldivers so honestly just an 8 second slideshow of game art and screens would suffice. You're cute and all but you aren't my type.
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