Went from Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 9800X3D. And on the GPU side I went from GTX 1660 Super 6GB to RX 7900 XT 20GB. Needless to say, the performance uplift was massive! 😁
@@Profetorum It is free performance , but like caveman , wont even know what is GPU power monitor . And that does hurt 0.1% low frame rate hard as there is no tommorrow.
As someone who did upgrade to this... the answer depends on what you currently have and what you want it to do. Me, I had an old I7-8700. It was barely keeping up in Space Marine 2 as it basically was the minimum requirements, and I'm a huge warhammer 40k fan so not keeping up was kinda a no starter for me and a trigger to upgrade. I was very cpu bottlenecked and barely getting 60fps on the unpoplated areas, 45 in heavy fighting, no matter what resolution/setting I use. Plus below the minimum requirements on several other games I have (meaning 60fps at 1080, and I'm a 1440p >100fps seeker) I basically wasn't getting even half the performance I wanted with what I had, thus upgraded. So for me, with the 7800x3d and 9800x3d nearly the same price at launch, I went 9800x3d (though family contributed and made it a Christmas present, that I payed half for lol, so can't state what it will improve me too yet). If you have a 7800x3d or 14700K, yeah, no need to upgrade imho as the performance increase isn't worth the cost. However if your on an am4 or 9th gen or older Intel... then it might be worth the cost.
I upgraded from a 7800X3D to 9800X3D. Most people's first reaction is "dumb decision, burning money" and so on. But really, a 30% uplift in the game I play the most is a no-brainer for me. Is like going from the 5700X to the 5700X3D in that specific game. Yeah, maybe the gain is not so big on other games, but I play what I play.
how is it a 30% improvement if your gpu is already bottlenecked? makes no sense and physically impossible because the gpu is far more important. What is the point in buying a cpu that no gpu can keep up with? what is the point in buying a cpu now to benefit in a few years time? there will be more powerful cpus out then. Only upgrade cpu when you buy a new gpu otherwise your wasting money.
@@prussell890 but where did you get the impression that I was GPU bottlenecked? The 30% uplift is because I was CPU bottlenecked with the 7800X3D. I am still CPU bottlenecked with the 9800X3D, but now with 30% more performance.
@band0lero your 7800x3d was bottlenecked? With what games? I find it very hard to believe you get a 30% uplift from a one generation upgrade. I have an i7 14700k with a 4080 super and I've never experienced cpu bottleneck except for 'sons of the forest'. Either way you have more money than sense.
@@prussell890 Escape from Tarkov, but I was also CPU limited in BO6 after I changed GPU, but gains were smaller there, closer to 10-15%. Tarkov is a very simulation intensive and primary core/memory dependent game. It puts an insane strain on CPU performance. On a certain map, 7800X3D could drop as low as 70s, and that was with a 4060Ti at native 1440p res and competitive settings. It was barely using 60% of the 4060Ti.
I'm going to hang onto my i7 12700k for a few more years, always something new coming out anyway so i'm in no hurry. I'm curious to see what's on the horizon in 2028 when i'll maybe be in the market for a CPU upgrade. Congratulations to the 9800x3d owners, looks like a beast. 👍
Thanks for the video. Would be more interesting to compare with 5700x3d instead of 5900x. There is alot of people putting 5700x3Ds into their AM4 system nowadays. And even people building new AM4 system with 5700x3d. It's easily compared to 7600/7600x for gaming. But I like to compare it to R7 7700 since it has the same amount of cores. It's maybe a tad slower VS 7700 for gaming.
If 1440p is your goal, the 9800X3D only makes sense to pair with an RTX 4090 or a stronger graphics card. Because on RX 7900 XTX (RTX 4080 Super) or weaker graphics card 9700X, 7800X3D and 9800X3D will have the same results. Because in that case the GPU is the bottleneck. If you don't plan to buy an RTX 4090 or higher card, then the 9700X is the most optimal choice.
@@TerraWare 7950X3D but got the bug for 1% lows Plus I very much doubt i'll be buying a GPU now until late 2025 at least because nothing really appeals to me & won't be buying a 5090
@@RJTHEGAME It seems kinda pointless. the 7900 XTX sounds like it will be at the top of AMD stack for gaming. Plus you have 4080 Super too dont you? You're at the top 1% lol
@@TerraWare Yeah thats right! I'm pretty happy with what i've got also, just quite relaxed about it tbh. Nvidia might actually release a 5080 Super with more vram or AMD might give us a surprise end of 2025 so that's what i'm waiting for also As of now does seem a bit pointless like you said
Spoiler: Is it worth upgrading to 9800x3d? - No. Replacing any CPU is not worth the money if your CPU is enough for you. Buying 9800x3d and comparing at low resolutions is pointless. You have to answer the question "is my current CPU enough for my tasks?", and then you have to ask yourself "is a new CPU enough for my tasks?" In the vast majority of games, you will be limited by the GPU, even with 4090 (and 5090). I can't imagine a person who bought 4090/5090 and uses FHD. Personally, I use 7500F and 4090, at 4K resolution. And I can say that in 99.9% of cases, I do not have enough video card. It is much more reasonable to invest the difference between 7500F and 9800x3d in upgrading the video card. And this difference is now 500-700 dollars. That is, from replacing 4090 with 5090 I will get many times more benefit than from replacing with 9800x3d. Or if I did not have a 4K OLED monitor (I already have one), these 500-700 dollars could go to upgrading the monitor. So go back to the beginning of my message and answer 2 questions. If the first answer is "no" and the second is "yes", then you should buy 9800x3d. If the answers do not match, then it is better to invest money in something from which you will really get a difference in real use, and not just in tests at 720p.
@@prozekutor You completely miss the fact that in 99.99% of games the emphasis will be on the video card (even at minimum fps). If you have a 5090, an OLED 4K 240-480 Hz monitor, then you can probably think about buying a 9800x3d, but even in this case you will get a minimal difference. If you do not have a 5090, then it is worth buying this. Buying a 5090 will give you much more comfort than buying a 9800x3d. 99% of buyers do not understand anything about computer components (you are an example of this) and they need help.
I was hoping for a comparison to the 5800x3D. I am seeing similar issues with my 5800x3D though. I can't get over 60fps in Indiana Jones full RT in the Vatican. The thing is if you look at the load the game is not using all of the CPU. I rarely see over 60% load and it starts limiting. Not sure what is going on there. With PT off I can run 140fps or better in the same area on my 5800x3D and 4090. Cyberpunk by comparison I can run full path tracing everything on ultra and get 80fps or better and it will actually show 90% load on the CPU. I think what this video really shows that many people chasing after the latest GPU upgrade would be better served to update their CPU first.
Compared to what? is the key to this question. I had a 10 Core Intel 10900K for 4 years , a bit juicy to run but a good solid cpu, unfortunately later Intel , except perhaps 12th gen, not so good. So I thought I would give AMD a go and bought a 7800X3d, undeniably superb for gaming only use, but it lacked grunt for anything else. So I bought a 9800X3d and yes it is only marginally better for gaming than the 7800X3d but overall it's much better CPU, it runs a lot cooler than the 7800X3d and has significantly more grunt for general tasks, it's a very well rounded cpu. I have to say, overall, I am delighted with the 9800X3d. Pretty sure I will be keeping it for a few years to come.
Thanks. I was planning on it but I can't get the 9800X 3Ds to show on RTSS. Even for power anf temp I'm having to use HW Info as a plugin. No clocks option. It was the same thing when Ryzen 7000 launched until months later.
WIth ram timings tightened, 9800x3d Cinebench R23 multicore score is the same as 5950x, crazy stuff. definitely gonna upgrade to it one day from my 7500f.
Not at the current scalping prices of 800€. Nope. I almost bought it at 540€ the day of the launch, but as I didn't have an AM5 machine, I waited for BF to get mobo and RAM, it was a mistake. Now, I will keep my 5800x3D another couple of years.
in warhammer i do 112 avg same place with my 5800x3d...no recording no overlay. and in indiana jones to gain some performance put no on vegetation animation quality (only path tracing)
This isn't really an in-depth review or anything but just sharing my own thoughts so feel free to share yours and what you think a worthy upgrade is. For me adding this CPU to my collection goes beyond just gaming.
you didnt take one thing into account that 9800x3d can be a good overclocker if you wanted even more performance. been nice if you gave it a mild 200mhz overclock to see the OC vs 7800x3d
True. I haven't yet played around with that. Should've mentioned in the video but both 7800X and 9800X3D are just running out of the box with XMP and PBO enabled. 6000mhz C30
i just moved to a new location and my laptop shit itself so the 9800x3d was a no brainer for me, just waiting on the new GPUs coming out in Jan/Feb. operating on integrated is pain.
Played Castlevania the Domino's Collection on my 7800X 3Ds integrated graphics. Can always sign up for GeForce Now for a month or something until new GPU's launch
im currently on a 5700X3D / 7900XT. would you suggest going to AM5 and the 9800X3D as my next upgrade before a better GPU? im leaning that way currently.
@@puffyips but is what people play with high end pcs. i did not pay 4k $ to play 1440p low setting on single player games. so someone like me who play max settings in this games, changing from 7800x3d to 9800x3d makes no difference in fps performance. this is why this videos is a trap for people who dont understant it.
It's the fastest you can get, so justifiable, especially when we consider those hardest games where top chips score like ~80 fps. And for given chip it will only get worse, so man should suggest with percentages of difference and worse case scenarios. But in general it's subjective. I wouldn't change CPU for one being less than 50% faster and always, not like X3D sometimes 60, sometimes 5. Maybe a little less if we talk swapping CPU only. And I'm fine with my 13900K getting e.g. ~70 fps in heavier Stalker areas, mostly due to frametime being fine, when 4090 would allow for more, but I get that there're people aiming for higher framerates.
That'd make you GPU limited most of the time thus not really showing the actual differences between them. In most games but if you use DLSS and depending on the game you could still be CPU bound like Flight Simulator or Star Citizen, Space Marine 2 etc. That said though maybe could be a more 1% lows focused video but yeah I wouldnt really recommend upgrading from 7800X 3D if you play at 4K
@@alexxxrarara I see. You should still be fine although I do have a 7700X and from what I have seen in benchmarks 7700X and 9900X perform fairly similar in gaming. I may make a vid comparing them at some point.
@@TerraWare I come from a 5900x and I was testing the 7800x3d and the 7950x3d and now the 9900x and in 4k with a 7900xtx I didn't notice any difference until I tried the 9900x.
@@TerraWare You say that but I don't know anybody who buys a 2k 4090 to play 1080p and people want to see how it does in a real world scenario and 4k is just that. It would also help show people that at 4k CPU doesn't matter as much, SO if they play at 4k save your money the 9800x3d won't make a difference worth buying. These I know why there done but there dishonest because I personally do not know anybody who buys the best CPU and GPU to play games at 1080p let alone Single player games. But you do you. Enjoy gaming!
Yes. I didn't put it in the video because it tends to distract people and miss the point of comparing CPU gaming performance. The point was to remain CPU bound with maximum graphics and RT where available since RT and PT can make games more CPU demanding.
I just don't get why anybody would jump from one generation to the next with cpus. Unless you are in esports you aren't going to make that money back. The other exception is huge generational leaps which we haven't seen on x86 side for awhile.
you are 100% right. the only game my 7800x3d is "needed", is when im playing cs2 because low res and comp settings and even that i feel i dont really need all that. solo games... my 4090 is gpu bound because i play max settings on this games and only few UE5 bad optimized games will have cases with cpu bound.
I have a 5900x had it for about three and a half years i have it with a 7900 gre I play at 1440p I would like to go to am 5 for the prices are just so high was thinking about getting a 5700 x 3D people say it gives a good game performance I don't know might just save up for am5
so, if i own a 500$ cpu, pretty sure my gpu will not be a 350$ gpu... that been said, ruuning a 7800x3d or 9800x3d and a 800$ + gpu, the only games i would not use mex settings are esports/comp games. my point is, if you test all this games (the games on this videos) on max settings with 1440p or 4k (native) im 100% sure you will be gpu bound... so, for someone with a 7800x3d and taking your video in ming thinking they will get the performance boost if they buy the 9800x3d... well, bad news, you wont because you will be gpu bound when playing max settings, rt on. (only few bad optimized games will be cpu bound on 4k max settings) if possible, make same video but this time max settings/rt on for all games. curious how better results the 9800x3d are. (the only game that list you can be cpu bound is stalker 2 duo to the game problems near npcs)
I upgraded from 7800x3d to 9800x3d only because I was excited to try out static all core OC on X3D. Unfortunately, I got a crappy sample, and it can't do more than 5.4ghz all core at 1.2v-1.3v. I could probably get it to work at 5.5+ in games, but unless it's stable in all core workloads, I wouldn't trust it. I have an SP111, which is one of the worst I have seen. My 7800x3d was an SP86, which is also one of the worst ever. I have bad luck with AMD CPUs. Lol.
Going to a whole new platform is pretty expensive upgrade At that point $150 difference between 9800x3d and 7800x3d isn't much when mobo and ram already around $300
Went from Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 9800X3D. And on the GPU side I went from GTX 1660 Super 6GB to RX 7900 XT 20GB. Needless to say, the performance uplift was massive! 😁
That's a massive increase indeed. Nice setup.
Now that's a worthwhile upgrade! well done sir
You should turn off gpu power monitor in Afterburner to increase 0.1% low frame rate ,at least 20% inprovement , no more stutter or AMD dip .
I saw Dannyz video. Will have to look into that.
Uuuuh really? How does that work
@@Profetorum It is free performance , but like caveman , wont even know what is GPU power monitor . And that does hurt 0.1% low frame rate hard as there is no tommorrow.
@@cks5148 Okay so just uncheck the gpu power in afterburner thats it?
@@JagsP95 Yes
As someone who did upgrade to this... the answer depends on what you currently have and what you want it to do.
Me, I had an old I7-8700. It was barely keeping up in Space Marine 2 as it basically was the minimum requirements, and I'm a huge warhammer 40k fan so not keeping up was kinda a no starter for me and a trigger to upgrade. I was very cpu bottlenecked and barely getting 60fps on the unpoplated areas, 45 in heavy fighting, no matter what resolution/setting I use. Plus below the minimum requirements on several other games I have (meaning 60fps at 1080, and I'm a 1440p >100fps seeker)
I basically wasn't getting even half the performance I wanted with what I had, thus upgraded.
So for me, with the 7800x3d and 9800x3d nearly the same price at launch, I went 9800x3d (though family contributed and made it a Christmas present, that I payed half for lol, so can't state what it will improve me too yet).
If you have a 7800x3d or 14700K, yeah, no need to upgrade imho as the performance increase isn't worth the cost. However if your on an am4 or 9th gen or older Intel... then it might be worth the cost.
Pretty much agree. That's a very nice Christmas present.
I went from 8700K to 7800X3D best purchase I've made for my PC since getting a 3080 a few years ago.
@@jonathanryan9946 yeah I have 7500f and I want to upgrade in a couple of years to this. Since it’s the same platform.
I was hoping you’d review this one. One of the best comparisons out there.
I'm still running an Intel 8700k. The days of annual upgrades are way in the past for me, but this one will probably get me.
Man even my 10900K is failing with modern games.
@@WheeledHamster I played Baldur's Gate 3 on it.
I upgraded from a 7800X3D to 9800X3D. Most people's first reaction is "dumb decision, burning money" and so on.
But really, a 30% uplift in the game I play the most is a no-brainer for me. Is like going from the 5700X to the 5700X3D in that specific game. Yeah, maybe the gain is not so big on other games, but I play what I play.
As long as you're happy with it. Like I said in the video for me I also get to use the 7800X 3D in another build so it works out.
how is it a 30% improvement if your gpu is already bottlenecked? makes no sense and physically impossible because the gpu is far more important. What is the point in buying a cpu that no gpu can keep up with? what is the point in buying a cpu now to benefit in a few years time? there will be more powerful cpus out then. Only upgrade cpu when you buy a new gpu otherwise your wasting money.
@@prussell890 but where did you get the impression that I was GPU bottlenecked?
The 30% uplift is because I was CPU bottlenecked with the 7800X3D. I am still CPU bottlenecked with the 9800X3D, but now with 30% more performance.
@band0lero your 7800x3d was bottlenecked? With what games? I find it very hard to believe you get a 30% uplift from a one generation upgrade. I have an i7 14700k with a 4080 super and I've never experienced cpu bottleneck except for 'sons of the forest'. Either way you have more money than sense.
@@prussell890 Escape from Tarkov, but I was also CPU limited in BO6 after I changed GPU, but gains were smaller there, closer to 10-15%.
Tarkov is a very simulation intensive and primary core/memory dependent game. It puts an insane strain on CPU performance. On a certain map, 7800X3D could drop as low as 70s, and that was with a 4060Ti at native 1440p res and competitive settings. It was barely using 60% of the 4060Ti.
I'm going to hang onto my i7 12700k for a few more years, always something new coming out anyway so i'm in no hurry. I'm curious to see what's on the horizon in 2028 when i'll maybe be in the market for a CPU upgrade. Congratulations to the 9800x3d owners, looks like a beast. 👍
Thanks for the video. Would be more interesting to compare with 5700x3d instead of 5900x. There is alot of people putting 5700x3Ds into their AM4 system nowadays. And even people building new AM4 system with 5700x3d. It's easily compared to 7600/7600x for gaming. But I like to compare it to R7 7700 since it has the same amount of cores. It's maybe a tad slower VS 7700 for gaming.
Been thinking of grabbing a 5700X 3D for the channel.
If 1440p is your goal, the 9800X3D only makes sense to pair with an RTX 4090 or a stronger graphics card.
Because on RX 7900 XTX (RTX 4080 Super) or weaker graphics card 9700X, 7800X3D and 9800X3D will have the same results. Because in that case the GPU is the bottleneck.
If you don't plan to buy an RTX 4090 or higher card, then the 9700X is the most optimal choice.
Very true. I play at 1440P UW with 4090 so I definitely get use out of it. Its easy to run into bottlenecks when you use DLSS or FSR
I just upgraded from the I7 10700k to the 9800X3D and its really worth it.
6:29 Vulkan on non-RT: You paid for the whole CPU, so I'm using the whole CPU.
Yeah pretty interesting there and what could be happening. I felt was interesting to show.
Can't wait to see what the 9950x3d does. Hopefully it maintains 9800x3d performance.
This is what i'm also waiting for!
Good vid
I'm defo getting one just not sure what version yet
What ate you on now?
@@TerraWare 7950X3D but got the bug for 1% lows
Plus I very much doubt i'll be buying a GPU now until late 2025 at least because nothing really appeals to me & won't be buying a 5090
I was going to buy the next AMD Flagship but doubt that's happening now
@@RJTHEGAME It seems kinda pointless. the 7900 XTX sounds like it will be at the top of AMD stack for gaming. Plus you have 4080 Super too dont you? You're at the top 1% lol
@@TerraWare Yeah thats right!
I'm pretty happy with what i've got also, just quite relaxed about it tbh.
Nvidia might actually release a 5080 Super with more vram or AMD might give us a surprise end of 2025 so that's what i'm waiting for also
As of now does seem a bit pointless like you said
Spoiler: Is it worth upgrading to 9800x3d? - No. Replacing any CPU is not worth the money if your CPU is enough for you.
Buying 9800x3d and comparing at low resolutions is pointless.
You have to answer the question "is my current CPU enough for my tasks?", and then you have to ask yourself "is a new CPU enough for my tasks?"
In the vast majority of games, you will be limited by the GPU, even with 4090 (and 5090). I can't imagine a person who bought 4090/5090 and uses FHD.
Personally, I use 7500F and 4090, at 4K resolution. And I can say that in 99.9% of cases, I do not have enough video card. It is much more reasonable to invest the difference between 7500F and 9800x3d in upgrading the video card. And this difference is now 500-700 dollars. That is, from replacing 4090 with 5090 I will get many times more benefit than from replacing with 9800x3d.
Or if I did not have a 4K OLED monitor (I already have one), these 500-700 dollars could go to upgrading the monitor.
So go back to the beginning of my message and answer 2 questions.
If the first answer is "no" and the second is "yes", then you should buy 9800x3d. If the answers do not match, then it is better to invest money in something from which you will really get a difference in real use, and not just in tests at 720p.
@@prozekutor You completely miss the fact that in 99.99% of games the emphasis will be on the video card (even at minimum fps). If you have a 5090, an OLED 4K 240-480 Hz monitor, then you can probably think about buying a 9800x3d, but even in this case you will get a minimal difference. If you do not have a 5090, then it is worth buying this. Buying a 5090 will give you much more comfort than buying a 9800x3d.
99% of buyers do not understand anything about computer components (you are an example of this) and they need help.
I was hoping for a comparison to the 5800x3D. I am seeing similar issues with my 5800x3D though. I can't get over 60fps in Indiana Jones full RT in the Vatican.
The thing is if you look at the load the game is not using all of the CPU. I rarely see over 60% load and it starts limiting. Not sure what is going on there.
With PT off I can run 140fps or better in the same area on my 5800x3D and 4090.
Cyberpunk by comparison I can run full path tracing everything on ultra and get 80fps or better and it will actually show 90% load on the CPU.
I think what this video really shows that many people chasing after the latest GPU upgrade would be better served to update their CPU first.
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yyyyyyeeeeeeeeeessssss
Compared to what? is the key to this question. I had a 10 Core Intel 10900K for 4 years , a bit juicy to run but a good solid cpu, unfortunately later Intel , except perhaps 12th gen, not so good. So I thought I would give AMD a go and bought a 7800X3d, undeniably superb for gaming only use, but it lacked grunt for anything else. So I bought a 9800X3d and yes it is only marginally better for gaming than the 7800X3d but overall it's much better CPU, it runs a lot cooler than the 7800X3d and has significantly more grunt for general tasks, it's a very well rounded cpu. I have to say, overall, I am delighted with the 9800X3d. Pretty sure I will be keeping it for a few years to come.
Yeah it is a bit more snappy than 7800X3D and PC starts a bit faster too.
Love your channel - could I ask you to include your cpu core clock in future comparisons and tests?
Thanks. I was planning on it but I can't get the 9800X 3Ds to show on RTSS. Even for power anf temp I'm having to use HW Info as a plugin. No clocks option.
It was the same thing when Ryzen 7000 launched until months later.
WIth ram timings tightened, 9800x3d Cinebench R23 multicore score is the same as 5950x, crazy stuff. definitely gonna upgrade to it one day from my 7500f.
Not at the current scalping prices of 800€. Nope. I almost bought it at 540€ the day of the launch, but as I didn't have an AM5 machine, I waited for BF to get mobo and RAM, it was a mistake. Now, I will keep my 5800x3D another couple of years.
in warhammer i do 112 avg same place with my 5800x3d...no recording no overlay. and in indiana jones to gain some performance put no on vegetation animation quality (only path tracing)
This isn't really an in-depth review or anything but just sharing my own thoughts so feel free to share yours and what you think a worthy upgrade is. For me adding this CPU to my collection goes beyond just gaming.
@@TerraWare it's a worthy upgrade for me since I'm coming from a R5 2600
@@Joshda039 HAHA yeah for sure brother. I have a Ryzen 2600 I do include in some videos depending on the topic. That's an insanely massive upgrade.
you didnt take one thing into account that 9800x3d can be a good overclocker if you wanted even more performance.
been nice if you gave it a mild 200mhz overclock to see the OC vs 7800x3d
True. I haven't yet played around with that. Should've mentioned in the video but both 7800X and 9800X3D are just running out of the box with XMP and PBO enabled. 6000mhz C30
@TerraWare make for a interesting follow up vid if you could oc it 😇
@@haydensupra True 👍
i just moved to a new location and my laptop shit itself so the 9800x3d was a no brainer for me, just waiting on the new GPUs coming out in Jan/Feb. operating on integrated is pain.
Played Castlevania the Domino's Collection on my 7800X 3Ds integrated graphics. Can always sign up for GeForce Now for a month or something until new GPU's launch
I'm coming from a 5900x. I just got a 9800x3d. Tarkov needs it.
Haha, that's what a guy said at my local Micro Center when I was waiting in line for mine.
im currently on a 5700X3D / 7900XT. would you suggest going to AM5 and the 9800X3D as my next upgrade before a better GPU? im leaning that way currently.
you need to be doing this at 4k where it actually matters
Higher res = gpu bound
@@puffyips but is what people play with high end pcs.
i did not pay 4k $ to play 1440p low setting on single player games. so someone like me who play max settings in this games, changing from 7800x3d to 9800x3d makes no difference in fps performance. this is why this videos is a trap for people who dont understant it.
It's the fastest you can get, so justifiable, especially when we consider those hardest games where top chips score like ~80 fps. And for given chip it will only get worse, so man should suggest with percentages of difference and worse case scenarios. But in general it's subjective. I wouldn't change CPU for one being less than 50% faster and always, not like X3D sometimes 60, sometimes 5. Maybe a little less if we talk swapping CPU only. And I'm fine with my 13900K getting e.g. ~70 fps in heavier Stalker areas, mostly due to frametime being fine, when 4090 would allow for more, but I get that there're people aiming for higher framerates.
Right, depends on what you are looking for, what you have and willing to spend.
thanks for nice video i was waiting for !!less test was about this CPU!!thanks and have fun !!
To me it re-enforces the wait at least one gen before upgrading tact.
Not a bad plan. In many cases you can get second hand much cheaper as people try to sell what they have to upgrade to the new.
@@TerraWare True, personally I would prefer new. Usually family get my "old" parts.
When the 5080 or the 5090 is released im.gonna build a new pc, but i was thinking to get tge 9700ryzen cpu because at 4k the GPU does the heavy stuff
you need to educate yourself bc this is just plain untrue
I’m just trying to get to a locked 120hz, I’m going to get it…
I would like to see all of this in 4k.
That'd make you GPU limited most of the time thus not really showing the actual differences between them. In most games but if you use DLSS and depending on the game you could still be CPU bound like Flight Simulator or Star Citizen, Space Marine 2 etc. That said though maybe could be a more 1% lows focused video but yeah I wouldnt really recommend upgrading from 7800X 3D if you play at 4K
@TerraWare No, if I currently have a 9900x it was not for that reason.
@@alexxxrarara I see. You should still be fine although I do have a 7700X and from what I have seen in benchmarks 7700X and 9900X perform fairly similar in gaming. I may make a vid comparing them at some point.
@@TerraWare I come from a 5900x and I was testing the 7800x3d and the 7950x3d and now the 9900x and in 4k with a 7900xtx I didn't notice any difference until I tried the 9900x.
@@TerraWare You say that but I don't know anybody who buys a 2k 4090 to play 1080p and people want to see how it does in a real world scenario and 4k is just that. It would also help show people that at 4k CPU doesn't matter as much, SO if they play at 4k save your money the 9800x3d won't make a difference worth buying. These I know why there done but there dishonest because I personally do not know anybody who buys the best CPU and GPU to play games at 1080p let alone Single player games. But you do you. Enjoy gaming!
Are these in 1080P? I couldn’t find it in the video.
Yes. I didn't put it in the video because it tends to distract people and miss the point of comparing CPU gaming performance.
The point was to remain CPU bound with maximum graphics and RT where available since RT and PT can make games more CPU demanding.
I just don't get why anybody would jump from one generation to the next with cpus. Unless you are in esports you aren't going to make that money back. The other exception is huge generational leaps which we haven't seen on x86 side for awhile.
you are 100% right.
the only game my 7800x3d is "needed", is when im playing cs2 because low res and comp settings and even that i feel i dont really need all that.
solo games... my 4090 is gpu bound because i play max settings on this games and only few UE5 bad optimized games will have cases with cpu bound.
I have a 5900x had it for about three and a half years i have it with a 7900 gre I play at 1440p I would like to go to am 5 for the prices are just so high was thinking about getting a 5700 x 3D people say it gives a good game performance I don't know might just save up for am5
you will see on rtx 5090 is it worth
For sure. Even on the 4090 I play at 1440P ultrawide I do see the advantage.
30% not a massive difference?!? Or was he talking about the 1% low fps?
Depending on Game there can be a noticeable difference. On average vs 7800X3D it's not a massive difference.
so, if i own a 500$ cpu, pretty sure my gpu will not be a 350$ gpu... that been said, ruuning a 7800x3d or 9800x3d and a 800$ + gpu, the only games i would not use mex settings are esports/comp games.
my point is, if you test all this games (the games on this videos) on max settings with 1440p or 4k (native) im 100% sure you will be gpu bound... so, for someone with a 7800x3d and taking your video in ming thinking they will get the performance boost if they buy the 9800x3d... well, bad news, you wont because you will be gpu bound when playing max settings, rt on. (only few bad optimized games will be cpu bound on 4k max settings)
if possible, make same video but this time max settings/rt on for all games. curious how better results the 9800x3d are. (the only game that list you can be cpu bound is stalker 2 duo to the game problems near npcs)
would ya say a 9950x for around 300€ is worth it and it still got warranty ? im coming from a ryzen 5 3600 ?
Yeah I'd say so. That's like half the price of what it costs in the US and is a massive upgrade from a Ryzen 3600.
9950X and not 5950X right? LOL
@@TerraWare ye 9950x for am5
@@Titan_Z1 I'd say that's worth it yeah. Too good to be true kind of a price actually. Make sure you're not getting scammed.
@@TerraWare it's from a friend I know rly goof and lives 150 minutes away
@@Titan_Z1 I see. That's a pretty good deal than. You should be good for many years
Dragon Age: wow the 9800X3D draws 50w more than the 7800x3d for little gains. Whats the deal here?
@MrRechtSo Not entirely sure but for power and temp I'm having to use HW Info because 9800X3D won't show up on Msi afterburner like 7800X3D does.
Do a Coca Cola one.
What is the resolution ?
1080. Making sure it's CPU bound
Edit* Also maxed graphical settings.
Running stock? or are you using curve optimizer for either
great video btw I’m a fan of these cpu heavy game videos/ cpu benchmarking keep it up 💪
@puffyips Sorry should've mentioned in the video. Both X3D's running stock. XMP 6000mhz C30 and PBO enabled.
Well since you got a 4090 most(98%) of people with one play at 4k. So the difference is nada.
I am playing in 4K so it's not a huge upgrade compared with 9800x3d
Yeah I can understand that.
Well if you're using anything from 2020? Yes.
there is a cpu bottleneck with an 9800x3d wtf ??
Went from 8700k to 9800x3d 😅
I upgraded from 7800x3d to 9800x3d only because I was excited to try out static all core OC on X3D. Unfortunately, I got a crappy sample, and it can't do more than 5.4ghz all core at 1.2v-1.3v. I could probably get it to work at 5.5+ in games, but unless it's stable in all core workloads, I wouldn't trust it. I have an SP111, which is one of the worst I have seen. My 7800x3d was an SP86, which is also one of the worst ever. I have bad luck with AMD CPUs. Lol.
This comparison is kinda pointless for 1 and .01 lows...your old 5900x has a two ccd penalty...the 9800x3d only has 1 ccd and hence better lows.
5800X3D=yes. 7800X3D=no
Going to a whole new platform is pretty expensive upgrade
At that point $150 difference between 9800x3d and 7800x3d isn't much when mobo and ram already around $300
@ You are going to have to go to a new platform at some point. Be it this gen or next gen. That’s not a good excuse
If youre already have a 7800x3d you have to be stupid... In my case i got it cus i have a 8600K hehe