For anyone with an interest in the Seattle area, here is a prior N scale layout plan that Peter designed. ua-cam.com/video/k8YAQTTWMrM/v-deo.htmlsi=-8gY5ZsWEoSyfPnP
Having lived in that area and railfanned that route, you've done a masterful job of incorporating everything to create that route in miniature. You always do a great job of weighing the compromises as well. Well done, as always.
I am always amazed at how much you can get into a space, and even though I'm modeling a freelance short line I've found your process helpful in adjusting my own track plans.
I've said several times before that even when a layout design doesn't fit one's own space, there are still likely to be many ideas that are useful to those watching. I'm glad it was helpful to you.
I have driven US 2 several times over the years, always thinking that the scenes would be great to model. You have certainly created a great representation of the area. I expect the owner will have a great time detailing the various scenes.
Dear Peter, as always a beautiful presentation of your layout designs, different considerations and options! Love the design idea of the ‘sound’ as a horizontal backdrop element for the lower section. That’s an interesting and excellent piece of thinking to increase the visual perspective. Simply amazed by the level of prototypical accuracy you were able to achieve on this commission. Humbly think flipping some of the location’s footprints is just adding to the scenic value of the design. Great examples of modeler’s license! Cheerio
Wow! Excellent work. I'm sure the client will be very impressed. I live on the other side of the country now, but I'm originally from Washington, and I've been through that area quite a few times. Not a lot of model railroads based in WA which is unfortunate since there's so much to model, so I'm always interested in layouts based in my former home state.
What about moving the N Wenatchee Ave, river and pipe bridge just a little further west and the track a little closer to the front? Then the Oroville spur could be a working staging track behind the backdrop. That would add another crew job to bring a train into Wenatchee yard exchange cars and return to the spur.
I tried to do just that, but there simply wasn't anywhere near enough space for it. We would have needed benchwork several feet wide, not just the 20" available.
I love the plan. I'd look into changing the Ballard Terminal RR track location: have the spur on the inside so the track goes under the Salmon Bay Bridge per the prototype. You'd still have a working interchange.
As drawn, the Ballard Terminal trackage is correct to the prototype (albeit condensed in terms of length). Any arrangement that allows the BTRR train to pass under the bridge will result in huge compromises to the main scene and would be a very poor trade-off. We are far better off with the track under the bridge being a dummy, with the BTRR train heading into a hidden staging track, as on the plan.
@@billsornsin Even if it would fit, it would need to be a dummy interchange since there's nowhere for that track to go except off the front of the benchwork.
Very impressive layout design for N Scale. If you don't mind me asking, what is the cost estimate for all the track including turnouts? I understand if you can't provide that information. Cheers. 😁
Hello, I have a question, would you be able to make something in a 2.5mx2.5m room so that I would sit inside and the model would stick out from the wall by a maximum of 50 cm :) ??? A challenge :P N scale of course :) I will also add that the door is on the lower wall on the right side, 20 cm from the corner of the room and has dimensions of 80 cm :P
Yes, I can design an N-scale railroad for that kind of space with some kind of moving section that swings out of the way to give you access to the room. Please contact me through my web-site superiormodelrailroads.com
My layout is proto frelanced stevens pass and Maria's pass. Including the cascade tunnel with a helix. Check it out. Not as nice as your work but looks good to me. Nice plan .
The “Scenic” location is actually “Skykomish”. Scenic is on the East side of the tunnel. It’s a great track plan and something I’ve always wanted to model. Alas, I have never had the space to build it HO.
I think you need to check your map again. According to both the official track chart of the railroad and google-maps, Scenic is clearly West of the tunnel. Berne is at the east portal.
Probably not. For the most part, English main lines are double-track and have a high density of passenger trains. Having said that, there's probably no reason why the same basic footprint wouldn't work for an English prototype but the layout would look very different. If you're thinking of hiring me to design one, I'd like to hear from you.
My layout design service starts at $1050. Most designs cost significantly more however, depending on size, complexity and the level of completeness you want. Whether or not that is going to be worth it largely depends on your own design skills. If you start building to a poor design, you will end up having to redo a lot of work, which will undoubtedly cost considerably more than what you "save" by not getting a good design beforehand.
I frequently vacation out there due to my wife's mountain climbing, quite familiar with the Scenic Sub. Neat video of the area for additional if not seen already - ua-cam.com/video/Kwbf0TbtD30/v-deo.htmlsi=8uPlWHN0iE6JUBXy. One thing that I really like about RRing over this area and the other passes for the MILW and NP is the change of climate once you cross over and head east. The temps skyrocket and the terrain turns arid and harsh.
For anyone with an interest in the Seattle area, here is a prior N scale layout plan that Peter designed.
ua-cam.com/video/k8YAQTTWMrM/v-deo.htmlsi=-8gY5ZsWEoSyfPnP
Thank-you for that.
@@mpeterll
It took a short while to find!! 😩
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Having lived in that area and railfanned that route, you've done a masterful job of incorporating everything to create that route in miniature. You always do a great job of weighing the compromises as well. Well done, as always.
I am always amazed at how much you can get into a space, and even though I'm modeling a freelance short line I've found your process helpful in adjusting my own track plans.
I've said several times before that even when a layout design doesn't fit one's own space, there are still likely to be many ideas that are useful to those watching. I'm glad it was helpful to you.
I have driven US 2 several times over the years, always thinking that the scenes would be great to model. You have certainly created a great representation of the area. I expect the owner will have a great time detailing the various scenes.
Excellent design, very well resolved the issue of little space for passenger trains. 👋👋👋👋👋
Great Job, I lived a 1/2 a mile from Baler Yard in th 90's.
This was a fascinating watch. I very much enjoyed watching you solve the "problem" of condensing a prototype!
I believe that everything you have on there is pretty accurate. There's nothing that I would change that's for sure
That looks like a very nice layout. One of your finest designs.
Dear Peter, as always a beautiful presentation of your layout designs, different considerations and options! Love the design idea of the ‘sound’ as a horizontal backdrop element for the lower section. That’s an interesting and excellent piece of thinking to increase the visual perspective. Simply amazed by the level of prototypical accuracy you were able to achieve on this commission. Humbly think flipping some of the location’s footprints is just adding to the scenic value of the design. Great examples of modeler’s license! Cheerio
Another outstanding design, Peter!
Wow! Excellent work. I'm sure the client will be very impressed. I live on the other side of the country now, but I'm originally from Washington, and I've been through that area quite a few times. Not a lot of model railroads based in WA which is unfortunate since there's so much to model, so I'm always interested in layouts based in my former home state.
Another great design Peter 👍
thank you for detail video as grerat ideal show every time
This is an amazing layout!
What about moving the N Wenatchee Ave, river and pipe bridge just a little further west and the track a little closer to the front? Then the Oroville spur could be a working staging track behind the backdrop. That would add another crew job to bring a train into Wenatchee yard exchange cars and return to the spur.
I tried to do just that, but there simply wasn't anywhere near enough space for it. We would have needed benchwork several feet wide, not just the 20" available.
I love the plan. I'd look into changing the Ballard Terminal RR track location: have the spur on the inside so the track goes under the Salmon Bay Bridge per the prototype. You'd still have a working interchange.
As drawn, the Ballard Terminal trackage is correct to the prototype (albeit condensed in terms of length). Any arrangement that allows the BTRR train to pass under the bridge will result in huge compromises to the main scene and would be a very poor trade-off. We are far better off with the track under the bridge being a dummy, with the BTRR train heading into a hidden staging track, as on the plan.
@@mpeterll I agree with your choice - since the track crosses under at a right angle you'd need a great deal of space for the 90° curve
@@billsornsin Even if it would fit, it would need to be a dummy interchange since there's nowhere for that track to go except off the front of the benchwork.
Very impressive layout design for N Scale. If you don't mind me asking, what is the cost estimate for all the track including turnouts? I understand if you can't provide that information. Cheers. 😁
That depends on how many of them the client builds himself.
Hello, I have a question, would you be able to make something in a 2.5mx2.5m room so that I would sit inside and the model would stick out from the wall by a maximum of 50 cm :) ??? A challenge :P N scale of course :) I will also add that the door is on the lower wall on the right side, 20 cm from the corner of the room and has dimensions of 80 cm :P
Yes, I can design an N-scale railroad for that kind of space with some kind of moving section that swings out of the way to give you access to the room. Please contact me through my web-site superiormodelrailroads.com
My layout is proto frelanced stevens pass and Maria's pass. Including the cascade tunnel with a helix. Check it out. Not as nice as your work but looks good to me. Nice plan .
The “Scenic” location is actually “Skykomish”. Scenic is on the East side of the tunnel. It’s a great track plan and something I’ve always wanted to model. Alas, I have never had the space to build it HO.
I think you need to check your map again. According to both the official track chart of the railroad and google-maps, Scenic is clearly West of the tunnel. Berne is at the east portal.
@@mpeterll I live in the area and Peter is absolutely correct
This looks like a great layout!! But is it suitable for an English layout?
Probably not. For the most part, English main lines are double-track and have a high density of passenger trains. Having said that, there's probably no reason why the same basic footprint wouldn't work for an English prototype but the layout would look very different. If you're thinking of hiring me to design one, I'd like to hear from you.
What does a trackplan like this cost?
My layout design service starts at $1050. Most designs cost significantly more however, depending on size, complexity and the level of completeness you want. Whether or not that is going to be worth it largely depends on your own design skills. If you start building to a poor design, you will end up having to redo a lot of work, which will undoubtedly cost considerably more than what you "save" by not getting a good design beforehand.
I frequently vacation out there due to my wife's mountain climbing, quite familiar with the Scenic Sub. Neat video of the area for additional if not seen already - ua-cam.com/video/Kwbf0TbtD30/v-deo.htmlsi=8uPlWHN0iE6JUBXy. One thing that I really like about RRing over this area and the other passes for the MILW and NP is the change of climate once you cross over and head east. The temps skyrocket and the terrain turns arid and harsh.