Plastering Over Artex DIY
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Roger looks at plastering over Artex to see how effective it is.
The art of plastering over Artex can seem like a daunting task to the uninitiated. However, with the right tools and techniques, you can transform your dated Artex ceiling into a sleek and smooth masterpiece. This guide will walk you through the steps you need to take to achieve a successful plastering over Artex project.
Understanding Artex:
Artex is a surface coating used for interior decorating, primarily for ceilings, and was widely popular in homes built between the 1960s and 1980s. The material is known for its textured and patterned finish. However, modern tastes lean towards sleeker, smoother finishes, so many homeowners look for ways to cover their Artex ceilings.
Preparation:
Before you begin, it's important to know that some older Artex can contain asbestos, a harmful material when its fibres are inhaled. If you suspect your Artex might contain asbestos, have it professionally tested and removed if necessary.
Next, gather the necessary tools. You will need a bucket trowel, a plasterer's trowel, plaster, a step ladder, protective sheets, goggles, a dust mask, and possibly a PVA bonding agent.
Procedure:
Safety First: Lay down protective sheets over your floor and furniture. Wear protective gear, including goggles and a dust mask, to avoid inhaling dust or getting plaster in your eyes.
Cleaning: Clean your Artex ceiling. This step will involve removing any dirt, dust, or grease from the surface. Use a brush or vacuum to clear any loose material.
Prepping the Ceiling: Apply a PVA bonding agent if needed. This depends on how porous the Artex is. If it's quite porous, applying a PVA mix can help the new plaster adhere better.
Mix the Plaster: Follow the manufacturer's instructions to create the right consistency. It should be a creamy texture that's not too runny nor too stiff.
Applying the Plaster: Start at one corner of the ceiling and work your way across. Apply a thin first coat of plaster using the plasterer's trowel. It's important to work quickly before the plaster begins to dry.
Smooth the Plaster: After you've applied the first coat, go over it again with your trowel to smooth out any lines or imperfections. You're looking for a flat and even layer.
Second Coat: Once the first coat is dry, repeat the process with a second, thinner layer of plaster.
Final Smoothing: After the second coat, use the trowel again to smooth out the ceiling. This may take a little time and patience, but the result is worth it.
Conclusion:
Plastering over an Artex ceiling can be a rewarding DIY project, and with this step-by-step guide, it should now feel more achievable. Once your ceiling is dry and smooth, you can paint and decorate as desired, giving your room a fresh, updated look. The world of smooth ceilings awaits you!
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i dont ever plan to do plastering myself but watched till the end! what a well put together video! thanks for sharing!
I had that textured stipple paint. As soon as plasterer started plastering one point started to sag with the stipple. I eventually had to use a heat gun warming sections and it was easily peeled away from the ceiling. Took about 4 hours. Lucky plasterer had other rooms to work on.
Well done for covering the asbestos risk.
White is low grade and used in artex. Its very low risk and minimal content. Everyone skims over it
Hopefully I sell mine before any regulations change then
Been plastering for 48 yrs two more then retirement, I will not skim over artex without explaining to the customer that the artex will sometimes debond from the board, so they would have to pay for it to be done again . 9 times out of ten you are okay but it can happen. Also get those safety glasses on i got skim plaster in my eyes a few yrs ago and was in hospital for 6 hours having saline wash constantly applied to my eyes, I was lucky they didn't get damaged.
Too true, never spread without the glasses, bonding and hardwall are worse, but a trip to A&E assured.
Thanks for the tutorial my first time plastering instead of artex ceilings I now have wavey ceilings I just tell the misses that's the look I was going for 😉
You can get it on the next coat. Just put some SBR on and go again.
Nice job!
And thanks for the top tips for dealing with the dire Artex!
I sometimes throw a hand full of bonding coat in the first coast, it gives the mix some body without the mix been too heavy to spread, this really helps when laying in over heavy patterns, making the gear just a little less slidy. Then go in top with your skim once it's tightened up 👍
Same as you
Great tip!
Great point! Sometimes their is a easier option is but people like to do the harder option for some reason! Must stop and think sometimes!
smart. done loads of over plastering artex i often sugar soap it first the hit it sticks on there great.
Looks fantastic!
Plastering a ceiling (or anything for that matter) is incredibly skilled work, so very impressed you did that!
I’ve taken the over boarding with taped joints route a couple of times, and the final result is excellent.
I feel that it’s overall faster than skimming, taking into account the drying time for the skim coat, but you do have to wait overnight for sanding between filling, so could be wrong!
Looks excellent Roger.
A well-timed video! Thanks for covering this.
Our kitchen's ceiling is textured paint and nobody wants to touch it, they'd much rather overboard.
Reluctant because of low ceilings but also would like a proper job done. Bit of a dilemma.
'Ello I'm that Roger Busy Bee off that Skill Builder channel wot you all like and today I'm getting plastered.
As a qualified plasterer with 20 years experience I can also add that safety glasses are a must.. I have nearly been blinded in one eye due to plaster in it and it’s not good.
Other than that your explanation is pretty much spot on 👍
Thanks for sharing, good point
Bloody painful in it.
A builder friend had to redo the entire ceiling of a fitness gym that he had plastered over Artex. He had done a test that seemed ok, but the wet plaster loosened the Artex and it came down in sheets. No primer on earth was going to fit that. He got it all off with a water spray and scraper. The new plaster was great and client understood the issues.
Laying on with a Flexi..fair play Roger you're a braver man than me 👍🍻
I didn't really lay on with that, I was just smoothing but needed a bit more to fill a hollow. I only ever pull that flex out to impress the ladies.
@@SkillBuilder Felix only Impresses the young ones.. 16" of cardon gets em going
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Being NOT a qualified spread, I have to say that being able to do a reasonable plastering job at home is very satisfying. So what if there are a few dips and bumps, the Good Lord made allowances for such issues by getting somebody to invent the orbital sander and filler 😅.
It saves you money for one thing plus getting hold of a spread can take months, which is no help if you want the job done sooner.
Nice job 👍
Asbestos is a worry for sure. We have just done our test and are awaiting the results as we want the artex ceilings scrapped and plastered. Fingers cross we get the all clear.
A steam stripper is great for removng Artex
@SkillBuilder Thanks kindly, never thought of that, could save me a lot of time for sure :-)
Whenever I hear the term 'overboard' I think of Stanley Unwin...😊
A bit like "I'm going to project manage it' 🙄
Surely its just as easy to talk the right way around?
Good informative clip Roger, clear an to the point.
Polytex is also flexible and has an aggregate in it which helps tell it apart from artex or similar
yes it is a strange term but in the end I just go with some of this nonsense, to have a quiet life, but please don't get me started on pre-book and a load of others. Whatever happened to just booking a ticket, no you are pre-booking.
@@SkillBuilder 😄 good one.... ever noticed how many times you here the words, 'even' and 'literally' mid sentence?, pointless. 🙄....at the moment everything is 'disgusting'/'discusting' (depending on the level of literacy).but my current most hated is 'look' at the start of a sentence, so arrogant
Separate note...I finally bought myself a Milwaukie 12v multi-tool on the strength of your reviews....great bit of kit cheers 👍
You can and i have!
That’s a nice kitchen
It's always best to check if it's got asbestos in it before messing around.
I've got a question on the part where you say to cover up the asbestos with plaster.. is it not problematic for future generations because eventually, it will have to get ripped out would you be able to tell quite easily that it's in there if the asbestos is skimmed over with plaster?
There is always a risk with asbestos being in a property but knowledge is key, properties built or refurbished before 1999 when asbestos was banned should be considered to have an extremely high chance of containing asbestos so a competent tradesperson would know the popularity of over boarding and over set of artex and textured paints and would take the necessary precautions, obviously you cannot account for the ignorance of a DIY person.
Textured paint can also contain asbestos as well as artex
Good point. Absolutely true
Nice one Roger. If you're free any time this weekend ... 😉
Any time so long as you are within a mile of my house.
I was planning on getting a grit painted ceiling plastered, but as i was doing prep, it started to peel so i got most of it off in huge chunks
Super. Now what about woodchip textured ceilings? Apparently it's a pain to remove, what's the best course of action? Tempted by a drop ceiling
New boards screwed on. Fresh coat of plaster job done. That's what I did👍👍.
I had that at my 2nd house, tried a wall paper stripper but it just softened the already crumbling ceiling, lathe and plaster, took it down in the end and reboarded, made a mess but well worth the better end result.
Yes overboard it, life is too short for removing woodchip.
@@SkillBuilder So 9mm then I guess will do. And screwed through to joists, obviously. Cheers.
Move house mate!...awful stuff
I'm very impressed by how the kitchen turned out apart from the TV over the sink. Sorry Rodger not for me.
Angus did O.K and was brave to take it all on as he is not in the trade. Yes that tele is a bit in the way, I wouldn't have one in a kitchen. To my way of thinking television starts at 9p.m not 7.30 a.m
So is the boiler, but as long as there is good earthing on the unit or it is a 12 volt TV there shouldn't be an issue.
Up the workers! 🤙
Got my Polytex off with steamer goes soft then just peels off brilliantly.
Yes I have done that quite a lot but if the textured coating is covering cracks you still end up skimming it.
Would the artex still dissolve if it's been painted over?
I know its common practice but I'm not a fan of overboarding, seems like a lot of extra weight to be hanging off the existing structure. Having just had 5 ton of lath and plaster ceilings deposed of from a small 2 bed town house at about a ton a room it all adds up.
Lath & plaster is much heavier than 9mm boards and skim.
True but it's still 11kg a sheet on top of old lath and plaster plus the skim. A lot of people overboard with 12mm so that's 24kg a sheet. The original joists in my loft (the house was built in 1903) are only 4x3 if that 😅 I didn't really fancy that kind of weight hanging over my head so ripped it out and boarded in 12.
For any DIYer I wouldn't recommend skimming a ceiling unless you have done a fair bit of plastering already and have the basic coordination down. Plastering over your head as a first attempt is going to be extremely messy and not advisable.
Problem with leaving is you leave a trap for anyone who tries to drill or remove in future: how many homeowners keep an Asbestos Register and pass it on when selling?
just assume that any dust is bad for you
Wish you could do that with woodchipped ceilings😢
So, distemper is the disolvable artex looking product and cannot be plastered onto even with a grit product. Artex (old) has 5% asbestos so should not be sanded or scraped. Use bond-it and put a few handfuls of bonding in the first mix (magic mix) and then a normal mix of multifinish on the second spread. If the ceiling disolves like roger stated, it should be removed or overboarded. Distemper does not have asbestos in it, but before embarking on a project as a DIYer you should get your artex tested before you start for asbestos.
Roger u should not be using a flexible trowel in my opinion at all but defiantly to lay on with they shouldn’t be used until the final wet trowel at best 😊
I did not use the flexible trowel to lay on, I just spotted a hollow spot and use some of the fat from the wet trowel to fill it in.
Here in Australia I use a CSR product called Gyprock 45 minute cornice cement. It's a powdered product you mix with water to the required consistency and use it like plaster float. It goes over anything and sticks like shit to a blanket and can be polished up very nicely. I learned how to render from watching some of your videos and learned how to white set from this guy ua-cam.com/video/5wwYnBcxUu4/v-deo.html
That is interesting, I would have imagined that cornise cement was way to brittle but I will give it a go. We know Blane, he is a good guy and teaches well.
Artex is a water based texturing product that softens under any new plaster. It has to be removed or boarded over.
I've had a DPC done 5 weeks ago, and in parts where the skirting would usually sit, if i put a damp meter on it, it shows 20% moisture. I've been advised this is because the wrong type of plaster has been used. They have used Gypsum thistle bonding and gypsum thistle multi finish plaster. Is this eventually going to dry out? Or will this sit there, and needs redoing
Will sit there and blow after a short time
What about woodchip ceiling? Can you cover with plaster?
That is risky. I have seen it done but if it is that well stuck on just put new plasterboard over the old ceiling
Can you overboard if the ceiling has asbestos in ?
Yes you can.
@@DoraWillExploreHer Really ? I've got a property recently just bought and I think one of the ceilings is asbestos. Would drilling into it to overboard it and drilling into it to put spots in be a big no no?
@@Turtleh3ad Get a dust extractor and use a collated screw gun and there should not be too much dust. It is white asbestos in artex, only 5% in concentration, and not the fire-retardant brown stuff. Get it checked and tested first and wear an ABEK-1-filtered full face mask and open the windows whilst doing it with a full Painter's spraying oversuit and you will be fine.
Are you using a flexible trowel to put the plaster on .
no I just had it in my hand and needed to make up a hollow spot. I am begining to go off the flexi trowel after watching Kirk from On The Trowel
@SkillBuilder it won't get the wall flat mate not rigid enough. I use a plastic trowel to polish up. I don't use flexi anymore and they damage very easy because the material is so soft
I'd have SBR'd rather than PVA then magic mixed it before skimming, easier to SBR the skrim on as well.
SBR is waterproof. You have to hit it when it is wet. PVA is water soluble.
@@SkillBuilder A lot of spreads including me are using SBR now, including on ceilings. Dries quicker, one coat, and controls suction better. No issues using it.
@@SkillBuilder I skim over it dry all the time, it's a myth you need to do it wet.
@@JJPlastering 💯 brother
I hate artex. Our house had it on every ceiling. That stipple that looks like fat after a chip pan fire. Every room got strapped out with 2"x1" and re-boarded. I even managed to get nice fire-proof pot lights to fit inside the new ceiling cavity.
I scrape off all the high points, then put on a neat coat of SBR. It seals the surface and leaves a low suction surface. The plaster sticks to it like sh.. to a blanket. I find PVA is not as effective as SBR.
Two coats of plaster.
SBR rules for sure
@@SkillBuilder yup 👍🏻
@1:03 What was the tape called and what is it for?
scrim tape for the joins in the boards. The old ceiling was showing crack lines along the joints.
'Scrim tape' it's a reinforcing tape made from glass fibre mesh. We use it to prevent cracking especially on plasterboard joints. They were embedding it over cracks in the ceiling, this prevents cracks from transferring to the skim coat ( not always)
Oh no this will get the plasters ramped up
I hope so.
Why you laying on with a flexi trowel???
I wasn't. I just used it to fill a little hollow.
@@SkillBuilder should of gave ceiling a coat of bonding first to get over the texture then skim
U int fitting a kitchen with them walls!!!!!!!!!!!
Do not stick to plastering roger.
Clearly not something you do often 😅
Sticking to one thing all your working life? I can't imagine a life so boring.
Next up...plasterer teaching people how to plumb your kitchen and bathroom 😂
Embrace diversity, you can be anything you want to be.
Shut up you plum.
And today I identify as a plumber 🙃
Plenty of people in the world who are good at more than one trade. I started of as a carpenter but do everything.
never plaster over poly ripple it blisters
Plaster or artex , or pull your fingernails out with pliers, tuff call
Roger, I can tell you’re not an experienced plasterer 😅
I never claimed to be an experienced plasterer, I could never have done that job day in day out but I can put a ceiling on and plaster a wall in my own awkward way.
@@SkillBuilder no I know, you’re a great plumber. I get it. It was just an observation 😇 I was a plaster for 30 years before retraining as a plumber/gas engineer. No doubt you’d have similar observations with my gas work. Funny how one can notice these little things having spent so long doing a trade.
That was difficult to watch
close your eyes
Never a good idea to skim over artex I always do a professional job overboard and skim some artex is water based and can start to bubble also artex ceilings are often covering old cracked and loose plaster
Yes and that is why I suggested finding out what you have on the ceiling and not just assuming it is a plaster based textured coating.
Was in the trade for over 50 years and still learning from some of your videos 👍and just like to say not bad skimming for a plumber😊
Can tell he ain't no plasterer
You are right but the finish was good.
unfortunately covering artex that contains asbestos is not acceptable as future occupiers have no idea that its there and coatings like artex come high in danger on the ratings on asbestos surveys , you would need to put an asbestos warning sticker on it and get a survey done so the asbestos is registered for any other workers that come to the property!
What are you talking about .Artex is fine if it's not disturbed.nothing wrong with over boarding or re skimming Artex ....it's when you start to pull the ceilings down that the trouble starts . 4:01
@@ianturner8459 Well if you did not get it ,thats what i was on about ! how would you know that someone had covered it up and it could be you pulling the ceiling down!!
@@laurencebushby713 As far as I am aware the amount of asbestos used in Artex which was mostly in the 70s to late 80s is negligible. But if you are removing any ceiling and you are worried about Artex then it's down to you to proceed with caution and implement the correct measures needed to deal with it . I and many plasterers must of covered millions of ceilings that were artexed . Do you really expect people buying and selling Houses to insist on testing for asbestos containd in any Artex. Like I said if it not being disturbed then it present no problem.
I think it was about 4% which is enough to kill you.
@@ianturner8459 I understand that its safe left alone but as a former asbestos surveyor , it does leave a problem for future workers asbestos was used in it till very early eighties, and if your a builder and can see it you can take precautions if its hidden well you are basically working blind, unless you have a house survey done and the builder can read it and work accordingly.
Like the tip for checking it’s artex ..thanks 🧱👍🏽